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My friend Durand Scott ended up going there, a guy I knew from back home, Julian Gamble was playing in Miami at the time. And I was like, man, just take a beer. It's like, dude, Frank Hague, he's from Brotherhood, North Carolina. Jack McClend shot at him, I sent him all the time, living in Miami, he was my host. We get there, get on campus, I'm like, wow. This is no way campus is like this every day, they have like a pool party. Now they have like a pool party and all that, I'm like, there's no way campus is like this every day. I get an opportunity to go to the Hawks, where if the heat playoff game won, and I'm like, wow, this is amazing. I'm in Miami, riding around in nice cars, going to NBA games, then we got an opportunity to go out and party, have a good time. But it was one of my funnest memories because it's like, no way Miami is like this every day. I know school cannot be like this, going to South Beach and doing those things. But it was just a great visit. The school did a great job of hosting me and Jack McClend to the great job of being my host, but that would be my story while I would never forget because I was pulled to leave Sunday and I told my mom, now I'm about to stay two more days. And she's like, you better get your tail on that plane and come home, you got school tomorrow. That's how much fun I was having. Did you go back? I had no choice. You remember? The mom and friends would say, get on that plane, you get on that plane. I love the idea of you as a high school kid going. I'm staying here for two more days. If that's okay. There's how much fun I was having on my visit. It's like, Miami, you're going somewhere, you're like, I really don't want to go. And then you get there and it's too much fun. You don't want to leave. That's kind of how that was. Did they think they had you at any point? They're like, we just get them here. They're on my second school. I was going wherever Coach Kyle was at, though. Once I seen Dead Rose play, Oklahoma in the garden, and the way Dead Rose played, this is exactly how I played. I just want to take all my visits. I mean, Jordan process of traveling, seeing all these different schools, see what they all about, but I already knew where I was going. Wherever Kyle was at, I was going. So the Carolina schools were out. I mean, imagine they were like, you're not, we're not even in the picture here. You can't see. I can't see. Carolina was my dream school. I watched them all my life. I mean, see, stay shot out, sitting low, he was on my radar, that was my mom in favorite school. And she had got sick at that point, like with her, like any rhythm in her head. So it was almost the point where I would have went there just to stay close to my mom. And then Duke, Duke is Duke, you know what I mean, Coach Kaye, he can never get wrong with Duke, but they just, they didn't have a lot of one of Duns at a time, they didn't believe him, one of Duns. And also, they brought like Nolan Smith and John Shireback, there was Junis and Seniors. So I was just like, it was best fit for me to do somewhere else. He's a super bowl champ, the number two overall pick in one of the best past rushers of his generation, but how did Vaughn Miller end up at Texas A&M? He shared his best recruiting story. Let's look back at your recruiting time. I was looking at it. You were four star. I think the one ranking edge, you like it's the 15th best edge guy in high school, which just kind of seems hilarious. After Hall of Fame career, but you're at the Soto. I know there's offers everywhere, still even with the four star thing. What's your best recruiting story that you remember from that time? Oh man. So when I was coming out, this was, this was the time like when Texas and USC were like two of the best groups, Reggie Bush, Vince Hill, like it's like right after that, like the two schools that I wanted to go to, Texas and USC. Everybody asked me where I want to go, Texas and USC didn't get an offer from Texas and USC. Defensive coordinator at USC is Ken Norton, Jr. Lombackers coach here with the commanders, you know, and I asked him like, you know, what's going on? Like, no, he said that, you know, they wanted me to play Lomback or off the ball. They asked my head coach what I'd be willing to do that and I had told my head coach no. Like, still you got to salsa it up for me, you know, you got to like, you know, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't know what's going on yet. He wants to play edge rusher, but, you know, I think, you know, he can be able to play. I don't think Coach Meadows did that. I think Coach Meadows said, you know, he's, he wants to play a lot of defensive in. He's not playing in your position in college. So boom, they don't get offers from those two schools. My number, I never had, I never, Texas A&M was never like really pal my list like that. Like I've never, you see all these other schools like Florida, Michigan, Ohio, you see all these other schools like LSU and like stuff like historically like, you know, football schools. For me, like, I never knew anything about Texas A&M. I had a older brother that went to Oklahoma State in the first game that I went to was Oklahoma State versus Texas A&M in college station. We dropped down there. I got on my Oklahoma State stuff on and I was just blown away by the fans there. I was blown away by the atmosphere. I was blown away by the campus. I was always under the under the impression that college was like spread around like the town like you got East Campus, West Campus. All these different campuses are spread out. At Texas A&M, it's just this one big block and it's just packed in with Texas A&M students and then you got West Campus right across the street. But it's all together. Like it's all in one spot, you can ride your bike. It might take you 45 minutes but you can ride your bike from one side to the other. And I really, that's what I envision college of being like. I went to the game and like, you know, the 12th man, they stand up the entire game and they have yells and chants and I was just blown away by the fans even though like I'm supporting you know, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M offered me like a month after that and they were like to school like at the end of the day, coach Stan Egan. He hand wrote every single letter to me like in a day and age where you could just type it up. You could type up one of these different letters. He hand wrote every single letter and I got a letter from Texas A&M every week. Like yeah, I might even got two or three letters, but at least every week I got a letter from coach Egan. He hand wrote every single note and that just they won me over and I wanted to be, you know, the Aggie. I was, you know, they said I was going to play Dismissive A&M. I came to the play Dismissive A&M one year and they moved me off the ball, the loud backer, my sophomore year. The same thing that probably what happened, it takes the USC but it was just the later year it takes it in them and then they moved me back to a rush in like my junior year and I'll let the Nancy double A in sacks with 17 and a half and you know, the rest is history. Duncan Robinson Detroit Piston, Duncan Robinson went from high school DNPs to division three Williams to the Michigan Wolverines all the way to the NBA.
we take him back to the New England high school days and his best recruiting story when he's just trying to figure out how to keep playing. Let's go back to that time. Give me your best recruiting story. My best recruiting story. Were you reaching out to power five programs that are like we're good. You have Williams written all over you. I was power five at ice pool. You're kidding me. I was begging like some division three's and division two's to take me like this was like a all right I'll give you one it actually has nothing to do with any any school. I uh my junior year so first off to provide a little context super late bloomer house five six is a freshman in high school. I was you know I was a good little player but was small light lacked confidence could like handle a ball a little bit shoot a little bit but basically I just shot up like three three to four inches a year for like three to four years straight and went from five six to six six by the time I was a senior as you could maybe imagine during that time I was not the most athletic or coordinated person. I mean I was rail thin was like could hardly run and chew bubble gum right like I was coordinated but like I was just slow like I I took me a while to really like throw into my body not that I'm like super fast now but I got considerably more athletic when I was with people with think fast than people would think thank you when I was a junior as many people know that's like around the time that you kind of start to get recruited by colleges I posted I think 10 DMPs the first 10 games of my junior year of high school now mind you I was on a very mediocre high school team like I think maybe one kid one or two kids went on to play division three college basketball so it wasn't like I was playing for some powerhouse I couldn't get off the back of the bench finally about halfway through the season I like started playing like spot minutes right and you know it was a little bit of a different time like the resources were different we weren't filming our games and I remember having a conversation with my dad and I was like hey I think you need to start like getting footage if I want to try to play college basketball we got to figure out something like push it out there do something and he's like all right all right let me see what I can do so my dad I mean just probably swallowed his pride because his son is coming over like can we figure out a way to film this my dad writes an email to somebody in the athletic department saying hey is there any way that we can start filming games for the boys basketball team my son has aspirations to play college basketball in the response he got and I'm not throwing any one of the bus because it's I'm not interested in doing that but it was somebody within the higher higher education department some processor athletics basically responds you don't think your son is actually going to play college basketball to you like really we're we're gonna have to like go out and like get technology and like hire somebody to feel like you will think that's gonna happen but dad was like well I don't know what's gonna happen but like can we at least just film like you know other schools are filming like can we at least just film so anyways we proceed to film the last 10 games or so we get a little something on tape I try to like send it out to a bunch of schools obviously nobody's interested I do end up having a pretty good senior year and that's what I opted to do the fifth year because I didn't have any offers and even actually when I did my fifth year high school I still didn't have any offers I was like begging like Ivy League Patriot League schools to take a look at me and nobody was really interested so I ended up playing a year of Williams which is awesome it was probably the best decision I've ever made and then somehow this doesn't make any sense to me but then somehow like 16 months later I get like a high major offer from from Michigan and Creighton and Davidson I'm like well hold on I'm like all I am as like 16 months older and now I'm all sitting good enough to play in the power five or power four whatever it is these days but yeah so we pulled the trigger on Michigan and you know spent four years there playing for coach B and graduated 24 years old a seasoned 24 years old exactly Alexey Lawless is one of the biggest soccer broadcasters in the States and American soccer legend and played professionally in Italy and MLS but as a kid from Michigan how did he end up playing his college soccer Rutgers he shares his best recruiting story let's go back to a high school Alexey Lawless where you were named Michigan player of the year I know some annals it says you had a late start I don't know how accurate all that stuff is but we like to do this with the guys give me your favorite recruiting story from that time so you know I grew up in the 70s and 80s you know with you know bubble yum and MTV and Slurpees and you know that was kind of my life I grew up and the suburbs of Detroit so it was like you know the Red Wings and little Caesars and that kind of stuff I grew up playing more hockey than soccer because it's the law in Michigan and I really gravitated to soccer because of the international aspect of it I was always in awe and fascinated by the fact that when I went out on my sidewalk in front of my house and I was juggling my soccer ball that there was a young kid on the other side of the world who had nothing in common with except this and this is what the thread was I also love the autonomy of soccer where the whistle blows and your left of your own devices relative to a lot of other sports out there so I I really love that but I was also growing up in the 80s and when you know there was no YouTube and the recruiting platform especially for soccer was certainly not even close to the robust thing that it is right now with all the technology we have so I got rejected every I wanted to go and try to play division one college soccer didn't know how I was going to do that I got rejected everywhere that I that I sent letters to and that I applied to my dad took pity on me and called up Rutgers University okay because I had sent away for an application I had never it's just because I had read an article about Rutgers and the coach said well I don't know anything about you but can I meet you and so we jumped in the car and drove from Detroit out to New Jersey I spent four hours with the coach and at the end of our meeting he said well you know we're kind of going through a rebuilding year and so I can invite you to preseason and I can get you into the agriculture school and you know I grew up in Michigan I did not grow up on a farm but I was like fine great no problem let's do it because I had absolutely nothing we drove back I packed up we drove back to New Jersey he slowed the car down kicked my ass out on exit nine off the turn bike right there in New Brunswick New Jersey and the rest is history but I did everything wrong in terms of picking a school I was not heavily recruited by any stretch of the imagination but what it did do is it dropped me into an environment where I was playing with and against some really really good players so the soccer gods smiled upon me but man oh man I don't think I said a word the first month that I was at Rutgers because you know Rutgers was like something like you know one and a half percent out of state so I was an alien and in in Piscataway and New Brunswick there I mean the Jersey kids you not talking for a month and a half seems impossible crazy it's crazy like the Jersey kids they were like Michigan might as well have been the other side of the moon they had no idea where I was from and I scared the crap out of them because I didn't talk for a month and all this hair and they again they thought it was from you know an alien from another world but it worked out all right it did work out Channing Fry is an NBA champ he was a top 10 pick in the draft and the Gatorade player of the year in Arizona in 2001 he obviously ended up playing for years at the University of Arizona and shares his best recruiting story from his visit with another famous Wildcat player let's go back to your high school days oh boy we know you ended up in Arizona uh give us your best recruiting story from that time boy okay I'll tell you when Richard Oki dokes me right so this is when um this is when he got game came out right so I'm in high school Richard I know Richard since I was 14 so everyone knows that clip with Rick Fox whatever so I'm going out there like yes here we go so Richard knows this also so we go I go to Richard's house or he picks me up at the hotel him and Gilbert uh he basically says hey Channing let me see your wallet and I get for DM back in the day so he takes my Pradeem we go to Jack in the box and he ends up using my Pradeem for his stupid Jack in the box which is dumb and we end up going to his house we end up being like hey he's gonna go to the football game that a party uh so it's all right awesome so I'm wearing my St Mary's Nike kind of I don't want to say tech fit we kind of sweat suit kind of they exist say Mary's he's like yo you can't go out like that so now the whole team is there I remember Lauren Woods goes oh here just wear this so it's his blue U of A thing and he was tall at the time I said this is the best so we go out to the football game and we go up to the stands and I'm looking in this section and like a puppy and a free bag of food I'm looking at like all these beautiful women and I'm like oh my lord yes
So they're like, "CHANNIG! CHANNIG, you gotta come here!" "CHANNIG, you gotta come here!" And then, I'm on the jumbo tron, because I'm with Saleem and Dijon Thompson at the time. And I'm like, "Oh, this is the best." So, I'll tell you, we go to the party, we have a good time, nothing crazy happens. I commit, so I go back to a game, and I go hang out with Richard, and I see those same girls. So I go, "What? Richard, those are the girls from the football game." He goes, "Yeah, those are my friends, dummy. We do this to every recruit." We just tell them, we give them like a note card of like where they are, so that these girls act like, "Hey, I've watched you at St. Mary's, blah, blah, blah." But they ended up being best friends, and nothing happened. And it was just like the biggest topic of my life. And I'm glad it didn't happen, but I still went, but it was great. And so, I did the same thing. Every year, I'd be like, "Hey, boys, look at all these girls. Aha." And they're just good friends of ours that would like say like, "Hey, I saw you average 32 last year, like looking at a note card." It was great. Yeah, because you would be like, "There's no way." There's no way in Arizona, right? That was like, "There's no way." Great, rebounding numbers. You're junior, you're in high school. Dude, we used to hit them with crazy stuff. Dude, dude, I'm so proud of you that you got a 3.9. You're so smart. Not like one of these regular basketball players. And he took your money. He took my damn money and left my, he lost my wallet, too. Richard. I love RJ, but that was, that was, that was not surprising. He told me I needed to not have a Velcro wallet at the time, but it was 1999. So, you know, you had to do a jet to do. You know how much you've even listened to this podcast, how much I love Raising Cain's Chicken Fingers. And I also love the backstory, too, because, sure, it's a little personal, almost two decades ago, down in Baton Rouge for a disaster game against Alabama. That's happened a few times. I meet some people that went to school there, mover shakers, and somebody's like, "Oh, you've met Todd Graves. He's the man behind Raising Cain's." I'm like, "Man, that is a very specific lane. I hope it works out." It did work out. And it worked out for two reasons. Chicken Fingers taste fantastic. And Todd Graves is just an awesome guy. And Cain's continues to march on with Chicken Finger momentum. They had an incredible set up at Fanatics Fest this year, complete with a VIP lounge at a Cain's sauce dunk tank. Raising Cain's owner and founder, we mentioned him, Todd Graves, and his good friend's Rob Grunkowski and Tom Brady unveiled the dunk tank in epic fashion as Tom threw the perfect pass to the target, sending Grunk splashing into 500 gallons of Cain's sauce. He came out completely covered from head to toe, looking like a Cain's sauce monster. If you haven't checked it out yet, check out the viral post on Raising Cain's social. Raising Cain's chicken fingers. One love. Jason Statham stars in mutiny. It's die hard on a boat from the director of plain from the star of the beekeeper, the Meg, and the expendables, a one-man army. Exposes an international conspiracy, uncovers a human trafficking ring from one of the most defining action stars of the last 25 years. Mutiny. Get tickets now in theaters August 21st. Jim Jackson was a McDonald's all-American in one of the best players in the high school class of 1989. He ended up as an Ohio State Buckeye, even though he originally didn't want to go there. He shares why in his recruiting story. Let's go back to you in high school, and I love to ask the guys that played this. Your favorite recruiting story from that time, whether it was at one point you thought you were going somewhere else or what closed the deal for you to end up in Columbus. I don't know if it's a favorite recruiting story, but when I came out of high school, Kenny Anishan and I were ranked number one, number two in our class. Now again, Shaq was in our class, but Shaq couldn't participate in the Nike Camp, five star camp, any of those camps to get ranked because he was in Texas. He got his notoriety as we got into the all-star game, Dapper Dan McDonald, that's when it was just okay Shaq. But Kenny Anishan and I were good friends. We took our visit to Syracuse together. We were going to Syracuse together. I got there and saw how cold it was. It felt how cold it was. I'm good. But DC was my host at the time, and then back then we had the rotary phones, right? So Kenny calls me. We're still talking about that. It was there. North Carolina Georgetown, our three top school. And Kenny calls me rotary phone and tells me he's going to Georgia tech. I'm like, where did Georgia tech even come from? You know, Bobby Kremens was the master of getting guys out in New York City. But I mean, that would have been something special. I think if Kenny and I had went to Syracuse together on the back end with Billy Owens and that crew at that time could have been something special. But that's, and I never wanted to go to Ohio State, really. They were like my fourth school. So how'd you end up there? Probably the best decision in my life. Men towards a mindset. Jim, you can go to these other schools. Maybe get to the NBA, but being from Ohio, helping this be a part of something that changed the trajectory of a program is long less. And plus Gary Williams at the time really started recruiting McDonald's, all Americans, you had a period card or a tragedy, a Mark Baker, Chris Jen. So he really started to build something and me being a part of that with those great teammates, it was the best decision I ever made. It was the best decision I ever made to be a part of that three year run at Ohio State to kind of get best of all back to where it needed to be. It was a special time, a special moment in my life because of the teammates and the coaches that I had then. So if I have this, I could be wrong here. I'm just trying to remember the sports illustrated covers, which helped me remember which grade I was in and then I can figure out the year. So would you have Kenny had been, would you have been freshman and Billy would have been a sophomore at Syracuse? Billy was a sophomore because he was a class of ADA. Yeah, I think that would have worked out. I mean, Billy was as a college player. Come on, Carlisle, Pennsylvania's finest and unbelievable, unbelievable. It would have been that, but that's, but I grew up a Big E's fan just because watching Georgetown, I mean, Villanova, Yukon, I mean, of course, St. John Syracuse. I mean, I was all, and it, you know, direct effect of having ESPN kind of their TV partner. That's what you saw on TV a lot of big Mondays. You know what I mean, it was, that was it, man. That's why I wanted to go St. John's. They just didn't want me to go there. I got you. Brennan Haywood won an NBA championship. He was a first round pick in the 2001 NBA draft and the high school player of the year in North Carolina. So naturally, he ended up at Tarheel, and he tells his best recruiting story where legendary Carolina coach Dean Smith wasn't remotely afraid of losing him to another school. Let's go back to high school, back in Greensboro, James B. Dudley. I love asking you guys to play. Give me your best recruiting story from that time. So I remember, at that point, obviously, I was being recruited by Carolina, but I was, I was being recruited by like Weight Forrest and Miami and, um, uh, Clemson. And so, no, no, no, I wasn't going to do. Dupe was interested in Elton Brand, and I didn't want to, I was like, man, I don't know, I don't know if I'm playing well. If Elton's there, if I was trying to do, I've always been a realist. I was like, this brand guy's pretty good. I, I wasn't trying to share a minute. So I just remember I was going on, I was about to go on my visit to Miami. And I was coach, I was talking to coach Smith, Dean Smith. And so he was like, I, you, I hear you going down to Miami. And so I was like, yeah, I'm taking my official down there tomorrow, coach. He's like, oh, okay. Well, I'll see you on, um, I say, uh, I said, uh, he's like, I'll see you when you get back. I said, oh, you know, you're not worried about me committing while I'm down there. He's like, nah, man, go ahead and take your vacation. I know you'll be back. So like that. I just thought that was because coach Smith was just, it was just so calm. Like, yeah, go ahead. Like you're going out there to kick it. I know where you're going. I know where you're going to end up the next four years. You were attempted at all to go to Miami. Yeah. That's because, yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm a, I'm a young kid from Greenborough, North Carolina. Miami was a different animal. I guess I was able to go out and kick it a party for the first time. And I was a big Miami for her case football fans. So I was on the field. I remember how Miami's to come out through the smoke. Oh, man, I was so hyped to be. I was really hyped to be there. But it was like, it was smart for coach Smith to plant that seed. Like, yo, this is a vacation for you at the end of the day. I know, I know where you're going to, I know where you're going to be. Okay. Did he know that though? Because he knew you and that if you're a Greensboro kid, it's still UNC over everything else. Like it, it has to be something to be a big time high school player and have the Tar Hills call it. Like he just, he just knew the power of the brand, right? I think like the greatest of coach Smith is he knows people well. You talk to anybody about coach Smith. He knows everything about you. He knows everything about your family. He, he remembers things like if he met your cousin one time six years, six years from that from that moment, he'll still know your cousin's name. Like he had a like photographic memory, but he knew me very well. And so even though I was going down to Miami, you know, one time he composed the question, you know, it's just,
He was just dropping a break on, I'm like, yeah, oh, you know, how many, how many big minutes Miami putting the pros again? At that point, he had a name I know. And so he was like, he's like, we've done, we've done a pretty good job with people like you. But it was, it's subtle. It's that subtle, so to me, it had that subtle swag. It was like, I ain't going to tell you what to do. But for where you trying to go, they ain't shit nobody out there. We got a factory, but he, he said it so smooth. Like, how many, like he asked the question that he already knew the answer to? How many big minutes they put in the pros? Oh, yeah, yeah, we, we do pretty good with people with your size here. Did Wake pitch you on Duncan going number one then? Yeah, Wake Forest actually, um, they, they pitched me on coming there. They had a guy by the name of Lauren Woods at their school. Yeah, some really legend. Yes, Lauren Woods, but I went to their practice and I had no idea that Lauren Woods was a maniac. Like he was impressed. Like he was talking crazy. Like every time he missed a shot, he was smacking himself in the head. And he, I don't deserve to play the game. It was, I was like, yo, this dude crazy. I'm not playing with this dude. Like they're like, yeah, you guys going to be the next twin towers. I'm sitting over there and coach on his office like, no, you see that Maddie Johnson gift? I could be here. Like there's no way in the world I'm coming to play with this guy. Like Lauren, and Lauren turned out to be a really good player. But like the two practices I went to, he was active like an absolute maniac. And I was like, no, I don't, I don't want to be with that guy at all. Robbie Hummel was a four star recruit, but a bit of a late bloomer coming out of high school in Indiana. He ended up as a star at Purdue, played a couple years in the NBA, and abroad before becoming a great broadcaster. Before all of that, his best recruiting story starts with a trip to see coach K and Duke practice. Let's go back to when you were high school. You're the 75th ranked player in your class. As you mentioned, you're a four star kid. Um, I imagine you're visiting everywhere, though. Still what's out? Were you six eight when you were a senior high school? By the time I was a senior, yeah, I was one of those kids that grew really late. I was five eight, two guard on my eighth grade team. I get to freshman year high school. I'm six five, sophomore year, six six, junior six eight. So I go from like my dad six six, my mom's pretty tall. She's like five six or five seven. So it was kind of like a matter of time, right? Like I, I should grow. Um, but yeah, by the time I'm a senior, I'm six today. Well, the father who's six five and a mother who's five six, I don't, you know, I didn't quite fit it that way. Yeah. So you're like, my mom's really tall. I was expecting you to say five eleven, and then you just gave me that math. And then I did the math in my head, and I was like, God, damn it. Anyway, um, give me your best recruiting story from that time. I think it has to be, I've got two good ones, but I think the best one is I'm, I'm getting mail from Chris Collins, who's an assistant at Duke. And again, I mentioned that Kyle Singler is in my high school class. So like, they're obviously recruiting him very hard as they should be because he was so good. And, um, I'm, I have an offer to NC State and I have an offer, um, which is for Herb Sendak, and I have an offered at UNC Charlotte, which is Bobby Loots. So we're going to go over fall break in high school for like, uh, like basically a two campus tour. You know, I think we might have went to a football game for NC State. Um, and I'm going to see, you know, campus at UNC Charlotte. And because Duke is sort of recruiting me, you know, like, I'm on the board. We're going to go and we're going to watch them scrimmage. And this is like the team that had JJ Redick, Sheldon Williams, Josh McRoberts, so like a really good indianity. And so I visit NC State, I visit UNC Charlotte, get to Duke. And like, I'd seen Coach Kay, but I've, I've never talked to him. I've seen him in a U tournament because of, of the guys he's recruiting. So we get there. And it was awesome. The scrimmage was phenomenal because Duke's team was so good. And Coach Kay has got a microphone and he's sitting at the table and everyone's finally hit the horn and then he'd like give instruction. And there's probably like 250 or 300 high school coaches that are there. And after the scrimmage ends, Chris Collins comes over and he's like, all right, Coach Kay's going to come over and talk to you guys. Like I'm obviously nervous, my mom and dad are there. And you know, it's like, oh my God, Coach Kay's going to come over and talk to us. So he comes over and he's like, Robbie, thank you so much for coming all the way from California. I know how long the trip is, which was just like, Oh, God, my mom, who's like, just I don't know if she was like, Oh, he must have just like made a mistake. She said, Oh, Coach, we're from Indiana. And Coach Shesky looks at us and it's like, Oh, yeah. And then it's like, thanks for coming. And I was like, man, those letters from Duke don't mean shit. That was like, Oh, man, they are not really recruiting me that hard, but it was also hilarious, you know, like just one of those, I'm sure like, he asked the GA, who's that? That's Robbie Hummel. He's from California. All right, cool. And walked over and you know, just because the GA said I was from Cali and messed up. He that's what he was told. I'm sure. But that was a humbling experience. That was a, well, Duke's recruiting you kind of, but not really that hard. So you're not hosted. You're not hosted for a weekend. No, it was an unofficial, you know, that my A U coach and my dad had kind of set up just because I'd been in touch with Chris a few times. And I've done so many Northwestern games. Chris Collins and I laugh about it all the time. It's the funniest thing that he that he did that. But I also had a visit to Purdue that was so bad. And I ended up going there. I was there as a junior in high school. And I was visiting with Johan Johnson, who was I ended up being a, we were part of the same recruiting class. And you know, we're playing pickup on a Saturday morning in September. And it's like a football Saturday. So you're playing it like 10 a.m. And then you're going to go to the football game and watch. And our team, I forget what what guys in the team we were, we were linked up with. But our team was winning some of these pickup games. And a lot of the times with recruits, the recruits get put with, you know, whether it's all recruits or it's like a team with maybe one of the walk-ons. Like a lot of the times the recruits don't necessarily have teams that win. But they can stay on the court because the coaches say keep them playing. So our team is winning. And I get it steel. And I get a breakaway. And I'm going to dunk this thing. I get tackled into the bleachers by one of the players on the Purdue team. And then another one runs up from behind me and goes, welcome to the big 10 bitch. And I'm like, I'm never going to Purdue. Like I will never go to school here. And I remember, I didn't play there. I had my freaking thumb in an ice cup because my hand had gotten mad because I'm hitting the floor. And as a credit to coach painter and Paul Lusk and Conzo Martin, they did such a good job of smoothing it over. And it did help that the guy that tackled me and ended up getting kicked off the team, not because of this, but because of something else. Shortly thereafter, and like the team started to, you know, you bring in Chris Kramer and Keaton Grant, her high character guys and just, but like that was one of my first visits to Purdue. And my thought was, I'll never go there. I'll never go to Purdue. That was terrible. So those are my two best, I think. You remember the guy's name, the tackled you, I imagine? I know you're not. Yeah, I know you're not going to say it. I don't know what he's doing now. I don't know where he's at now. So you have to look him up. I will. I should. I should look him up. NBA champion Derek White went from division two hoops to the University of Colorado and then became a first round pick in the NBA draft. We take the Celtic star back to his high school days, trying to get discovered for his best recruiting story. I want to go back to high school. We ask all of our guys this that played Parker, Colorado. You're getting recruited. What's your best recruiting story from back in the day? Well, why you either ended up in Boulder or some other place that you thought you were going to go, like, what's your favorite memory from that time during your recruitment? Out of high school. Yeah. Oh, I didn't have a whole lot of recruitment. My dad was sending out like highlight tapes to like all the division twos in Colorado. We're just trying to give me like any team interested. I think my favorite story is that Metro State, which was a big time division two basketball team in Denver, Colorado. They came in and watched me play a high school game and I was just trying to walk on. I didn't expect the scholarship, nothing. They went and watched and then after there, I wasn't good enough to walk on. That's probably my favorite story. This division two team basically said I couldn't walk on and even just practice with their team. So that kind of put a chip on my shoulder and then I think like another one is like Coach Colver was that recruiting me at Johnson & Wales. I didn't really have a whole lot of interest in going to Johnson & Wales, but I mean that I was cool that someone was recruiting me and so like I was like super like a call. I would pick up right away and like I think if like I had the mindset, I was like I'm never going to go there and I was just like a jerk to him the whole time that if you got and when he got the job at UCCS he wouldn't have called me and like hey you want to come. And so I think that's a good lesson for a lot of the kids out there. Like you never know who you meet or whether they're going to come and what they can do for you. He saw it when no one else did. So what was it tough then to be like hey I'm going to go to Boulder and transfer? Yeah for sure. Like I have long thoughts of my family and people close to me and it was tough. Like I loved it there at UCCS. Like we had just won the RMAG, like we just did a lot of different things and so like after the season I was like well I'm going to come back and be
be better like the Stratocated Division 2 national championship. But then like talking to people like I think it might be best for me and my career to go to CEO which is kind of like it was like selfish. Like I didn't like it. I was like kind of selfish with me but I know it would be the best for me and my best opportunity to get to the next level and so I had to kind of make the make the jump. You don't hear that a lot from basketball players. Like I felt a little selfish about doing this. I didn't like that. It's it is crazy though like how visual we are. Not just in sports but like everything right and I remember the Combine in Chicago because I used to host a free SPN and one of my favorite scouts ever Steve Rosenberry and he's one of the best that I've ever talked to for 20 years and I figure which team he was with at the time but I got a little time with him in between you know whatever the television broadcast and he's like you know who's nasty any points at you and I didn't know that much about you so I was like really and you're like trust me but like watch this guy play and I think that's probably something that you certainly understand because it happened to you but that there would almost be this dismissive way of like looking at you where it's like well that guy can't be that good and then you're running around out there it's like anybody that really appreciates like how a really good basketball player plays the game and it also helped that you've got over six feet finally when I know that I know you're a bit of a late bloomer after hopefully but but it must be just be like hey man you're telling me my life story up until you know you started putting up some numbers with the spurs where it was just it almost feels like anytime anybody started with you it started without about what you couldn't do yeah I think I don't like I don't have like that wow factor like I think a lot of times especially like those pre-draft things and like recruiting process like you kind of looking for someone that kind of like wow you and I don't think all I ever really have like every now and then I'll do some things like wow that was impressive but over the most part like I don't think I have that wow factor so I think I kind of just get overlooked overlooked but think over the long long run that like what I do kind of works and that's got to say good it yeah I think it works I think it works kind of Steve Novak ended up playing Hoops at Marquette then has a long NBA career including with the champion Nick so he's a part of their studio coverage but for all of that he was the pride of Brown Deer High School in Wisconsin we asked about his best recruiting story from that time we do this with all the guys that used to play I remember 15 years ago being at horsemith invitational and I was watching you and I was like you know what I like about this guy is he's not just a catching shoot guy I was like you know what because you know look the the list is long of white guys that can shoot that we forgot and I remember one of the first things with you I was like he can he can reset himself with the dribble I was like this is there's more there's more to this guy and you end up having a long NBA career but let's go back to Brown Deer Wisconsin yeah high school and share your your favorite recruiting story from that time for us you know you're you know 16 17 years old and college coaches start calling and showing you some love and I mean you really do you feel like you're on top of the world like you got it figured out near the man and then the I'll never ever forget the thing that made me feel like boy I must be doing something right is Mike Bibby was at USC Mike Bibby Senior and he was sending me when I say thousands of letters I mean there was a day he sent me 2000 letters to my house in Brown Deer Wisconsin all individual envelopes that were packed by the I found a later there it said the office girls with like inspirational quotes or like a handwritten like you should commit or you're gonna love it here or just an inspirational quote 2000 letters all from USC that are like male carrier would come with these postal crates and just drop them and it would be like we were having look like we're an eggs delivered or something for the year and it happened all the time sometimes it would be like 250 which is a lot of letters other times it was 2000 letters from USC and coach Bibby came and I remember he watched me you know using the gun the rebounding machine at Brown Deer High School and he was like I'm gonna come visit you and I'm gonna watch you shoot and he was the first coach to tell me Steve and you know you're getting recruited and obviously trying to make a kid feel good he said you're gonna play in the NBA one day home man you know in your 17 years old he's sending you thousands of letters and he tells you you know hey you haven't even gone to college yet but I think you're gonna be an NBA guy I've seen enough to know he said if you come and you do an official visit at USC we've never had a guy who who's come to campus not commit he said you let me know when you want to come to USC and visit and I was kind of terrified to go visit because I was scared I was gonna move to California and be so far away from the fam so I never went but I'll never forget those letters showing up and feeling like holy cow like this is this is awesome and the whole block was like what is this you know what's going on here so it was a spectacle I love Brown is there any Brown dear 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[email protected] soruti and Kyle are with us let's get to some fixin here's a headliner my brother-in-law is sleeping with my sister love the show been listening since the event held days I just got that what that's what he's supposed to be doing right what do you mean wait is my last time I can see here I don't know which brother-in-law yeah okay never mind I thought that was like part of it they're married you have a brother-in-law that's sleeping with your sister but or maybe did I did I screw that up like second cousins thing like it's not actually what you think it is you what you didn't but I assume it's like this is the wrong brother-in-law okay all right well hey who knows I don't have to say face value that's not the craziest thing in the world right right unless my math is off I was less confused when I started reading it okay Kyle is correct then listening since the event held days five eleven and a half one 90 unfortunately I tore my rotator cuff and be really cocky so I'm rehabbing in any max bench right now might be around the bar player comp would be Brent Seabrook nothing happening on the power of player offensively but I'm a reliable stay home defensive play the man not the puck all names have been changed so if you read the subject you know what's going on I'll list everyone's age because I think it's important I'm 28 let's call me Jack my wife is 26 let's call her Jolene Jolene and I have been married for two years live in a high rise in a large Midwestern city we're having such a good time being newlyweds and are trying to slow or going to slow down and try to have a family in a year or two my wife's brother let's call him Brad is 24 my sister let's call her Emily is 23 all right that's okay different different day I'm like now were you thinking of something I thought I was like if it was a riddle like you know the doctor was actually his mom that's how she could operate on her son like my brother-in-law is sleeping with my sister it's like not a dime exactly I was like my brother-in-law's sleeping with my sister it's like I'm walking her room with a hundred if she's married to him then that makes sense but that's not that a man hangs for a rope yes were you afraid of like some some weird like results are you because there's some family dynamic blood relations is that where you started no it's almost seemed like a riddle that's not really a riddle it's like my brother-in-law's sleeping with my sister it's like yeah if your sister's married because they're married yeah you know they mean like exactly but this is outside of the normal lines here whatever it was stupid I almost wish I didn't say it's now it's we're going on three minutes I'm I'm more confused by how
Ryan's confused about it now I yeah now. I'm I was so straight forward in the email immediately that I didn't know why we got to rail. That's why I was confused because I didn't understand where you got it at me and I don't know now it's like Magnus who knows. Good to know. I'm worried about the blank stare of an in-bred child. All right um so 23 24 they're both on our wedding. Jolene and Emily are good friends that means his wife and sister they hang out by themselves often. Brad and I don't hang out because we live in different cities but whenever the family gets together he's the guy usually hang out with the talk sports etc. That's good. We consider him a friend we don't text separately or anything like Emily and Jolene do but still friends Jolene and Emily were out with a few other girls one night having a girl's night cocktail thing when a different girl the party asked Emily how's Brad? Emily immediately freaked out and did the shh don't say anything to the girl Jolene naturally says my brother. I'll expedite the story but later in the night maybe three or four more cosmos. Emily confesses Jolene that she and Brad have been seeing each other for a few months and asked Jolene not to tell me Jolene comes home and immediately tells me good way to tell me not to say anything to anyone and act like I don't know I looked at her processing a lot of information so my question for you guys is one is this weird obviously they're not blood related so there's nothing weird that way but trying to explain to someone my wife's brother and my sister are hooking up feels a little weird is it yeah just the sentence sounds weird even though yeah it isn't yeah should I be pissed off if yes it who the guy who is this here how could you do this yeah it seems to me like everyone in the world knew about this except for Jolene and I should I be pissed off at myself for being one of the only ones weren't comfortable they weren't comfortable telling that they were hang out no I don't think you should be mad about that at all we're kind of doing rapid fire here sorry guys what should I do should I go to Emily and say that I know do I fight Brad that option isn't happening because he played division two football offensive tackle and is still in playing weight and is the sports guy at the family functions like that's kind of valuable for you when you're on the road games you know do I tell our younger brother no he probably knows maybe hey Tim one slow news day that slow news that do I got something for you do I not do anything both Jolene and my parents are both Jolene and my parents are divorced and kind of checked out on all this so they probably don't give a shit number four I keep thinking that because they're obviously on different sides of our family so they won't be at the same functions but at some point if this continues people are going to eventually find out a lot of questions and probably some that I haven't even thought of yet any help would be appreciate Kyle Emily has a pet rabbit if that makes any difference just one though so Rudy my sister and I are Italian all my wife and her brother are as white as white can be if that makes any difference some for everyone in this one huh I think it was a sorry I think it would be yeah I'm a little bit it would be cooler if there were one more degree separated definitely I think it probably matters the most to you if you're wondering what I'm relating cousin you mean yeah best friend something like you know family long time family like it would have been cooler if there was one more degree of separation but I did look this up and unless I got jumbled up with the math again identical twins marry each into like other identical twins kind of not often but I just I just said at Google oh never mind it's extremely rare sorry it's called quarter quarter nary marriage yes phenomenal and that is quarter nary marriage so it's good enough for those guys you know and this is rare I'm not sure where that has to do with it numbers are really rare is it rare in the community I don't understand extremely rare probably less rare in the community than it is global numbers but I'm just saying it's done and this is assuming that this makes it all about this though Kyle because those those those twins if they have kids their twins yeah yeah yeah interesting interesting not good or bad interesting but interesting kind of also not sure what has to do with the situation well isn't it the same thing like my brother married your sister kind of the same thing and that's assuming listen I'm right I'm two for two on these weird quandaries that we're talking about in our heads I'm two for two you might not might not seem like it but I'm dead on with this and that's assuming this even goes the long haul and it's not just like a weird couple of months that you know fell apart because everyone woke up and was like this is actually a little weird let's not do this so like it's weird for now but I think you got to just assume this doesn't go all the way I think you just gonna be first off to them I think it's totally fair to like talk about this out loud you know with the four of you be like what's the end game here like oh yeah but they don't do that I think that's a bullshit question like oh I have to we're gonna lock it up for you guys to approve this thing well it's it's weird like you can admit that it's weird like I don't know I don't think I would want this situation to happen so like and it's totally therapy to be like cool so you clearly didn't think this was cool is which is why you were hiding it from us and other people know so clearly you don't think it's all right or cool to share publicly so you think deep down something is wrong about it right or maybe that's the fun part for that I don't know yeah maybe this whole thing fizzles out once it's you know season light of day maybe you should tell your little brother like is he the wild card it's gonna say so no I'm not for I'm just like they are hiding this from you clearly for a reason they think something is wrong about it they are correct could the email or have a tendency to that they were like we don't we here okay but think of it this way the timeline of when people start hanging out then are officially updating and like how serious is this that thing is always in this gray area right well like well when did this first start well I don't know you know like it started I mean do I have to sit there and tell you the date of the first sleepover like I have to tell you that um I don't know man I do you think the Italian thing has anything to do with it that he's assuming that he's supposed to do something here well I think he's got the sister in here so you know the sister's Italian if it was the male Italian be like you know it's you know but he's Italian the emailer's Italian the season Italian older brother or younger whatever he's an Italian brother and that's that probably has you watching enough movies and you start thinking like you actually don't have to do anything man okay but like if this got out publicly it'd be weird people would judge you and I'm not saying you have to care about whether all these people think I think obviously I do this so everyone does is we care about what other people think but this is weird man like I don't I don't know so like when I say what's the end game like you guys get married is that like otherwise what's the point here because it's like there's plenty of fish in the sea figure it out with somebody else because this is obviously super strange for everyone in the family that's involved it's probably unlikely that they get married I think because then you got to come out in their early 20s or mid 20s yeah these are great this is this is a this is a plus 750 that this is going to actually work out for them so you could probably just if you're the house the house wins when this when this fails so I don't know I feel like this doesn't happen very often that surprises me I can't think of anything I can think it well that you know of or others you can find out because it's weird yeah if it was me I think probably at a at a barbecue I'm letting it slip to my little brother by accident and I don't know it probably comes out eventually that's that's just thinking about me that's the thing they don't want it to get out right so if it does get out and you can just be like I'm pleading innocent here they're gonna want but they're going to be the ones that feel weird and awkward because it is weird Brad's gonna be so friendly that's the next event try to read you starts doing you favors you're gonna get a super thoughtful Christmas gift like they say Taylor made the limit I thought we had a limit with that I feel like you guys aren't as worked up about this as I am I think that's very clear yeah I might be right up about it but like I feel like there should be some more I'm not the only one that's great that's I feel like I'm crazy you guys like yeah whatever you know I tell you tell your brother what's the big deal what's the urgency I don't know like I would want some answers it's kind of strange yeah but I mean you know your psyche's already damaged the cars wrecked I mean we can't like what else can we do at this point like we just got to hope it we're gonna move on from here at some point I mean it's probably a little shitty because you're like you don't think that it's your fault but you guys are definitely the reason these people know each other so like there's probably a little bit of that blame could you could you have done something more I don't know maybe I just had the problem with through you asking the question where you would go okay well if you're like where's this going it's like I don't know where it's going just like everybody else that starts off dating like yeah sure there is those those relationships where it's like they knew right away that this was the person and like those are great stories cool thank you thank you that you knew I'm asking that saying like do you like do you love each other or you just like think each other okay what are they saying now like we're not in love what's up good enough not just stop then just figure it out with somebody else I don't know it's like you know when wedding parties like you know the singles like commingle and stuff like that like I don't know maybe there's a little bit of weird feelings about it from somebody who like maybe the maybe the bride who's like your friend shouldn't be doing that but
like, I know it's a little, again, one degree closer, but that's probably how this all started, right? Not at a wedding, but like in that same sort of co-mingling, so I don't know what happens. - It's something that like, it's like, what's something that's not illegal, but it just feels wrong, the single hunting. - Yeah. - I don't know. - The single hunting. - Sure. - The answer actually, yeah. - Sure, yeah. - That's a great answer. - I guess I just like, Jack's 26, he's not fucking gand off. Like, you have to go to him and he's gonna like sit there and say, no. Would you say, basically, Serruti, you're telling us, you would say, absolutely not in an identical scenario. - It's wrong. - You would fight this. You'd get the other Serruti's on your side. I'd be like, we get to have a barbecue. Well, actually. - Would you be, you'd be like, oh no, it's totally fine. Keep doing your thing. - I'm not saying it's totally fine. I'm admitting, and I'm agreeing with you that it's kind of weird. - I don't like that I'm just getting angry here. I'm not even angry here. - You are getting a little annoyed. - I'm not angry. - No, but I'm not angry. I'm not, I'm really not. I'm just trying to prove my point. Like, you would be pumped. - You act like you would be pumped about this. But go, yeah. - Are you saying that guy? - I don't like that guy. - Nobody's acting like that. You stop that guy. - Nobody's saying that they're pumped. I'm just like applying, like some reality to this. - Zoom it out a little bit here. - If I'm a 23 year old and I like Brad, that's my 26 year old brother is like, if you're not getting married, what's the point? I'm like, hey bro. - That's not the point of the question. - Fuck off. - You're taking that too literally. - Okay. - All right. I love that we've played some different notes on this one. - Yeah. - I think if it's me with everything he has and it's my life probably leaking this to my little brother by accident, which means I probably, I'm trying to keep this to myself, but one day my feelings are gonna change. Probably some reeds involved. And it's like, maybe it's out of my hands now. I don't know. Here's the other thing. Kyle, similar scenario. If you're Brad, you're not listening to anybody. And I know in me at 26, you can't tell me anything. So I'd be like, thank you for your input, Jack. I'm gonna go sleep with your sister again. - Honestly, younger me is probably like, you're totally right. And I'm gonna do exactly what I wanna do anyway. I'm just gonna tell them this and they know whatever. So yeah, I'm not proud of that statement. I'm just saying that I've known myself a long time. - Correct. - All right. Do a golf one. Buying golf lessons to improve my happiness. 6, 3, 190, no truly impressive gym stats because just getting there most days. Besides just getting there most days, huh? You get in there. Basketball comp, Mike Miller, three of my friends. And I, old college roommates, still same city postgrad, frequent our local golf courses about two times a month during the summer. We're 28 now, but it's been following the schedule for about four years. And actually, you think over that period, you improve your game, start to lower the handicap, you know, actually looking like you know how to play and get the ball in the hole. Unfortunately, for one of the four of us, that is not the case. It's not due to lack of effort, lack of sobriety. You name it, he was gently, he has generally been trying to get better at the game. In the past year, what used to be the occasional shanks is developed in a barely being able to keep a ball in play. We continued to extend the invite to be good friends, but over the past year during the spell, he's been extremely unfun to play with throwing clubs, yelling. - I just had a flashback to my league yesterday. - Giving a ball in a tie. - Too close. - It's too close to be yesterday about this. - I don't get up in that real quick. - No, I don't get it. I've been golfing for probably about two years. Maybe we're creeping into third year. And I don't know, stuff is still going in the complete wrong direction at times. I guess I play once a week and we're keeping scorecard and stuff, which is the first time I really started doing that and I still have fun, but man, that number is a big number. And I don't know, my part is pretty good. So I don't know. And when I play with my dad, he's just like, I'll leave having like a fun day and he'll be like, "Man, you should really get a lesson. It'll be fun then." Jesus, I thought I had fun, but now it's in my head. So I need to have a lesson. - Have you broke 100? - Have I? No. - Okay. - I've done it in like a nine. No, I have it. Never shot a 50 on nine. - So I've got two buddies who both started in the last couple years. One of them just broke 100 and now the other one is just, is a bit of a wreck. - He's like the last guy who hasn't kissed a girl and he's like, "What?" - Well, he just never gonna happen. - He just wanted to happen so bad. - No, I think it's so bad. And the more he tries, the worse he is, I think. And it's just in his head now. - Yeah. Put a new tip in my head and I'll just forget everything else and the ball goes into different directions. Anyway, we could get back on track, but I feel what this guy's talking about. Except for I don't get as mad and I know I'm not good enough to get mad and that'll just make whatever setting I've created by being the worst guy of the force of worse by getting mad. So I don't do that. But I was happier before I started counting. - Take that. - I've never hit the ball better. Scores are worse. - So. - Darkness of the dawn, brother. - But here's the problem. This guy, it's this guy sucks and he's throwing clubs, yelling, giving up on holes, bad vibes all around to quote the emailer here. - Yeah. - If you're not good, this is a lesson to everybody out there. If you're not good, be. - Be patient. - Be patient, keep the movement. - Yeah. - It'll look for the Kirkland ball for more than 90 seconds. You know, like you're gonna take mushrooms with four of the guys here and you're not having a good time. Just tell them you're having a good time. - The same thing as golf. - Sure, right. - All right. So I'd excuse him if he were to just bring a good attitude. See, that's the thing. Like if you suck, but you're like quick and you're just going, "Hey, I'm having so much fun." Again, faking it. But he turns sour. The second of all is a striped down the fairway. I don't know why he expects every shot to be pure perfect, but I guess we all kind of do. I always try to be encouraging, giving him the benefit of the doubt, et cetera. But last week I hit my breaking point. I had to stay quiet for most of our round while I was riding in the car with him because he refused to talk since it was another one of those rounds. You think he wouldn't come if that kept being the case, but he still seems somewhat committed to wanting to play and get better upon returning home. I had an epiphany. His birthday's coming up and for everyone's benefit, what if we bought him golf lessons so he could get better? And not be such a drag everyone else he plays with. I don't think we ever bought him a birthday present. You're the guys. Of course you didn't. Curious on how you would all react to being gifted that or what else you could do in my situation? Keep up the good work, Jens. - I love it. - I love it too. - Sometimes it's anger though, Steve is performative. It's like, I know you're doing so bad, especially if everyone else stripes their drive and yours has gone like, you almost need to be outwardly. Something is wrong. This is not normal for me. So sometimes the anger becomes a little performative just so you can be like, guys, I'm trying and I'm better than this. So you could feed into it after a whole round, but I think sometimes that initial, it's like when you fuck up something, fuck up a shot and you're like, look at your hand. I think some of that's performative. So it's probably doesn't take it as seriously as like being offended if you gave him a lesson. - I'm not, I don't even, like the guy, I'll get mad. If I'm playing bad for like a couple of holes and I'm just like, you know, I'm not talking a ton or like whatever, I'm short with people, but like, it's a couple of holes. Like when not the whole round, that sucks. I do get really annoyed with the people who, as this guy said, if it's not a good shot every time, they're like, what happened? Like, I set up straight on my alignments, right? Like, what about an inch? Like, hey man, that's golf. Like, you can, like little things can change everything about your swing, about how the ball like it just doesn't happen. If we all did this, we would all be on, you know, scratch golf or play on tour. I think it's gonna go one of two ways though. The problem is it's a nice thought, but are they gonna think like, is this gonna get his more head? Cause now he's like, hey, these guys are like real, they think I suck, they're not having fun. Now I have, it's gonna put more pressure on him to be good if he gets the lesson. So it could, it could kind of backfire on you. I think the sentiment is right. It's a nice friend thing to do, but you know your friend better than anyone else. How is he gonna take this? Is he gonna think this is a good gift? Or is he gonna think this is kind of an asshole gift that you guys gave him because you think he sucks at golf? I mean, are you guys real friends? Like, do you point shit out about each other that's uncomfortable? Like, you're getting fat, you're going bald, you suck at golf. Like, are you those type of friends? If you are. Yeah. Like, would you get your fat friend a gym membership? Like, it could go, you know, like, it could go one or two ways. So you would have had a couple of girlfriends that haven't loved that gift. Yeah, but see, that's, you gotta be nicer than you have to be to your best friends. That's a fact. Everyone knows that. You gotta sugar coat it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, how do I look in this dress? You can't really, you have to, you know, there's really only one answer to that. Like, I took an absolute beat as you used to. I took an absolute beat to get my group chat. Like, a bunch of strays over being fat. It was like, where the fuck did this guy? I wouldn't even say anything. So every once in a while, you know, are you those kind of friends or are you not? That's the thing. If you are, don't even think about this. Get him a golf club, get him golf, what's it called? Get him a golf lesson and get him a mean card to go with it. Like, if that's, if you guys actually are friends like that. Yeah. He should want this. He should be fine. I don't know if he freaks out. That kind of gives you a deal there. Then it's out, you know, he wants to keep showing up because again, this stuff is so important always hammer it. The fact that you guys get together a couple of times a month, get boys together from college, play, you know, this is supposed to be about you guys spending time together and not letting life take over in a way or it's like, man, we never hang out anymore. So he should care about this. And if, you know, this isn't like an intervention man, okay? It's just, hey, do you want to get a little bit better at golf? We all bought you a lesson with your birthday. And the fact that all three guys are doing it and you have the birthday thing and it's not coming out of nowhere. I love the idea. And if you react poorly to that, then, you know, maybe it's time to, time to address. But like, hey, you also suck and you suck to be.
around. So fix, fix one of them. Yeah, the last fix one, you need to fix the other. The last thing I'll say on that is a golf lesson is like I was trying to think of other things. I know I have a couple of my life that like when I don't have that extra money or even when I do have that, they're in their 20s, like 20s, right? Probably not flush with cash. It's not a thing you'll think about buying yourself. Like it's like in the, you know, when you think about everything you have to pay for and like you got to, you got to save money for those, you know, the nights out, you know, that it cost 150 dollars out of nowhere when you plan to spend 70. Like you're not like, I'm going to pay $100 for a decent golf lesson. It's just not a thing that your brain will budget for yourself often. So it's actually kind of a great thing to get for someone else, you know? No, it definitely is because I, how many guys would be like, hey, I went to the range, like not a less than one to the range and like I hit 100 balls and like, yeah, I felt good after the, you know, second half, I'm like, I'm striping down the middle. It's like, yeah, you're hitting the same shot 100 times. And then you get on the club and you're the course and you're annoyed about why you can't replicate that. So yeah, like that's the point of the lesson. It's the sentiment is great. It's awesome. But yeah, you're going to know your buddy, but anyway, also a good golf lesson of cost more than you'd want to just frivolously throw away too. I think so. You know, it's, I think it's an actually really nice gift. Well said, well said. Thanks to Tom, thanks to Kevin, thanks to Cerudy, thanks to Kyle, the Ryan R. Sillish show, Arsenal Sports. You.
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