The conversation is a candid, emotionally rich reflection on love, pop culture, and personal identity. The host shares their experience of being targeted by Swifties over their admiration for Taylor Swift’s *Reputation* album, framing it as part of a larger pattern of cyclical romantic relationships—particularly referencing the Bennifer dynamic between Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. The dialogue explores deep personal connections, such as the emotional impact of watching the film *Kiss of the Spider Woman* and the nostalgic power of music. The host critiques Rolling Stone’s list of the greatest songs, arguing it lacks diversity and omits vital artists like Kanye West, while sharing their own curated list rooted in personal memories and emotional resonance. Meanwhile, the podcast transitions into a heartfelt farewell, announcing a temporary hiatus and celebrating the authentic, unfiltered friendship formed through the show. The tone balances humor, vulnerability, and cultural insight, blending music, relationships, and self-reflection into a deeply personal narrative that celebrates both fandom and human connection.
I wish I had a hat.
Wait, why?
Because I'm in hiding, girl.
Why?
They're after me.
Who now?
You know who?
Your people?
Your community?
My people?
Mm-hmm.
Biracials.
Bisexuals?
No, worse.
Swifties.
Oh, worse than biracials and bisexuals.
Swifties.
Wait, what?
Oh, they're tight.
Not the sunglasses on from last night.
Not two pairs of sunglasses, too.
I know, I know, I know.
It's serious.
Yeah, it's bad for me.
I'm like, I actually exited witness protection to come to.
What happened?
Because they're mad.
They're mad that, I don't even get it, really.
Like, they're mad that I said Reputation is her best album.
They're mad that they feel like, I don't know, like they hate Reputation now.
They hate all of the Joe songs, and I'm like, but she wrote them.
Wait, that's weird.
Yeah.
Also, it is the best album.
And it was because she got her stuff back before she could redo it.
Well, no, you can't improve upon perfection.
So I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, yeah.
Maybe not Taylor now, that's true, that's true.
Anyway, so I'm in hiding, but listen.
Shit.
The Lord taketh away my mentions, and the Lord giveth.
He does.
A little bit of a better for a reunion.
I can take these off now.
A little bit.
I know, wait, you know what's funny is I thought that for some reason you had both the sunglasses
because you were going to do a double reveal, like Titus, Virgus, and that would be so funny.
No, I. I was like, oh, you're really in your theater camp.
I couldn't decide if I wanted to wear these or if it's too much with the stripes.
Yeah, so it's a bit too many elements.
Imagine you had the jacket on, too.
Shut up.
You'd be ready to go.
Don't.
Maybe I am.
Okay.
Oh, we're loose today.
We're loose.
We're loose.
We're looser in it.
Okay.
Okay, so let me tell you something about the greatest love story ever told, that it continues.
What have I said from the very beginning?
Benefer breaks up to get back together, to break up, to get back together.
So there's this Leo who I want to ruin my life every 20 years.
And it's both of them saying that, actually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a mutual agreement.
I will say mutually assured destruction.
And I love that.
I think it's actually. And we've talked about this.
We've talked about this before.
I think it's the most romantic thing you can do is break up and get back together, get
married and get divorced over and over and over again, or don't get married at all.
Yeah.
I would get married just to get divorced.
I love it.
I will say. So they were seen together at the. At the Kiss of the Spider Woman, New York City screening.
Why'd you say it?
Just the Kiss of the Spider Woman.
It's like. What is it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Kiss of the Spider Woman.
It's a crazy title.
Which is based on a play and directed by Bill Condon, the king of music.
Movie musicals.
Hello, Chicago.
Hello, Dreamgirls.
Hello, Twilight.
Oh, Breaking Dawn.
Totally.
Not the best one.
Anyway, so J-Lo stars in the movie and then Ben Affleck produced the movie.
Sure.
And did you see any of the clips?
The sexiest clip I've ever seen in my entire life.
On the carpet?
Yes, when he pinches her from behind and she's doing an interview and she's like. Oh, she's so me.
I can't tell if she's so me or he is so me.
They're both you.
Derogatory so me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It made me like. I felt the rush of having a crush in middle school.
Yeah.
I felt Mark Huberman return to my veins.
Who was that?
Government name.
Sorry.
That's your crush?
That was my middle school crush.
Oh, my God.
And he stayed hot.
I had taste when I was straight.
Anyway.
Where did it go?
I love. Oh, The Rock, Vin Diesel.
Oh, Vin Diesel is sexy.
Yeah, thank you.
What The Rock?
I got it.
I still got it.
My taste is all over the place.
I don't know.
It makes people too accessible to me.
Okay.
Fine.
I take that.
Okay, relax.
Okay.
Well, okay.
But did you see the other clip where they're in the theater and she. JLo was talking to the microphone, like introducing the screening or whatever.
And she's like, oh, I read the script in bed, like as Ben knows.
And it was just so like, oh, you guys like used to like go together.
Like, it was so like awkward that she was like, oh, yeah, like you were there when I
was there in our bedroom where we were married.
Where we fucked.
Yeah.
And they fucked.
They fucked.
That photo, one of my top five paparazzi photos is Jennifer leaving Ben Affleck's home.
Just grin, ear to ear grin, hair a wreck, and him a wreck too, right behind her.
Like he just, he was ran through by her.
Well, and I would like to see it.
Oh, I believe in their love.
No, I do too.
I'm so happy.
And, but of course, a source close to JLo told Page Six, I think, I mean, it's clearly
her manager, Benny Medina.
That Ben, like they're in this like complicated dance where like she's like perfect pristine
pop star and Ben only wants their dynamic where he is like wants her out of reach, like
on a pedestal where he can like idolize her and like have sexual attention.
And I was like, what?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Now we're going too far.
It's a little bit of spin zone.
But wait, how did you feel about the movie?
You gonna post play?
I didn't see it.
I was at the other New York City screening.
Of Marnie Supreme.
You said, I'll make my way to the case of this Spider-Woman.
I'll put it on the list.
We'll get there.
When it's on like Amazon Prime.
No, I'm going to see it.
I think I met JLo as an actor.
And I think this could be like her big, biggest role since Hustlers.
Really?
I mean, is that what it's being marketed as?
Yeah, I think so.
Like her biggest, like, well, what do you, it wasn't second act.
It wasn't the movie where she is married to, what's his name?
Marry Me.
It wasn't Marry Me.
Well, it was that movie that she did that.
Wedding, the wedding movie.
Oh, Shotgun Wedding.
Shotgun Wedding.
Oh, the time of my life.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
You like to have fun?
Watch Shotgun Wedding.
Okay.
It's fantastic.
With Josh Duhamel.
Oh, that's where the Armie Hammer was dropped from.
Oh, was he supposed to be the love interest?
Yeah.
Well, good.
But she's fabulous.
Okay.
It's a great time.
Interesting.
Well, you know, I really took her Hustlers Oscar snub.
Personally.
Yeah, some of her best work.
Yes.
And do you remember when she was in the Netflix documentary that she was like in bed?
Like, yeah.
Like, reading all the reviews and then like waiting for the announcement, nomination announcement.
No.
I'm actually in that documentary.
Oh, wait.
Yeah.
They used B-roll from my voice.
I don't know if I watched that documentary.
Well, you missed me.
I will now.
I'll press play.
I'll go see it.
The trailer stressed me out a bit, but.
Of what?
Of the documentary?
No.
No.
The Kiss of the Spider Woman.
Oh, I, yeah.
I don't need to.
But, you know, I'm a little.
I always forget how much I love a good musical.
Yeah.
And I love Bill Condon.
I mean, Chicago is like.
Oh, of course.
Oh, my gosh.
Fantastic.
This kind of feels like almost a reductive question to ask, but I must wonder.
Do you think they're going to get back together?
I think one day, yes.
Oh, one day.
As the prophecy foretells.
Well.
Oh, every 20 years.
Yeah.
No, I believe it.
Because remember the last time that they got together, it was kind of like the slow roll
of like him, like giving secondary interviews about her for like, I think it was the InStyle
cover story where she tried to launch the Love Don't Cost a Thing challenge and absolutely
no one did it.
And leaked our cover.
And didn't she, didn't she like post a photo?
Oh, yeah.
Well, that was a leak.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We were like, so that's the cover image, babe.
And we're not live yet.
Love it.
So maybe I think that like they're, listen, they're Leos.
We love attention.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
It's like they're, it's like they're in a threesome actually.
With us.
With society.
It's them and us.
And we're like kind of being cucked, but it's nice.
Like I want to be.
Totally.
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
I think it works.
Yeah.
No, I think so.
That's not my experience, but I agree.
I agree for you.
It's like, it's like what Princess Diana said.
Like, oh, there are three people in my marriage.
It's like, there are three people in the Bennifer relationship.
And I don't want out of it ever.
I'm so glad that we're involved.
I like, this is the greatest love story ever told.
What do you mean that J-Lo.
Use the title of that movie.
No, that, that J-Lo had to go to the Met Gala alone.
That Ben Affleck didn't go to her Bridgerton themed birthday party.
Oh.
That he, that he was busy working on The Accountant 2 all summer.
They broke up the day Challengers was released.
I mean, it's not that significant, but it's.
It's significant to me.
I'm just like, it's connected.
Okay.
That, but then also remember her, you know, like the movie, the documentary,
and like him, like lining up the shots for the documentary.
Like, I mean, sharing his personal love letters with the cast and crew.
That was crazy.
Very me, but crazy.
I love an overshare.
I will, I will end with that.
But my favorite thing about her is her relationship with Ben Affleck.
And her fucking awesome kids.
Oh, yeah.
That's why I'll never put her to, and her body.
Sorry to be a feminist, but damn, that body is sticky.
She is like up in the gym, like for real, for real.
No, working on her fitness, I'm her witness.
Yeah, we're all the witnesses.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my God.
Yeah, no, incredible work that she's doing.
I think it's like the season to spend the block.
I think it's a season to kind of like revisit some old flame.
Do you, do you, is there someone like, it doesn't have to be like a proper ex, but is
there someone who's like, I would run that back again?
You don't have to name them.
And I'll name them.
Yeah.
All of them to each camera.
I think we all, I think you know you, you're a real lover.
I know you, you've reached out, but there's someone that's like that.
That's kind of like, I mean, I'm just a Taurus Venus, so like I've made ads of this one one
time in sixth grade.
I'm like, it could be them.
Yeah.
They could be the one.
Yeah.
So that's the prison that I live in, by the way.
Well, I'm an, I'm a lover of Invisible String.
So I, I really, yeah.
There might be some ships in the night at the Marty Supreme premiere too.
Oh, maybe.
Who knows?
Who knows?
Wait, that was wrong.
Did you hear my rendition of Invisible String?
I was like, what?
Oh, I'm brain dead.
Sorry.
So we need to move along because that was crazy.
And you're the Swifty.
Anyway, they said you were a galer.
Is that true?
Do you, are you in the comments?
Yeah, but I, I did a comedy show last night where I renounced my galerism because I was
like this, the straightest thing she's ever done is put out this album.
And I finally accepted the truth that Taylor Swift is bi, not lesbian.
*laughs*
oh and and the bullet's gonna go right to you i'm gonna pass the plate now your turn
your turn to get canceled um this week we are talking about the rolling stone list of the top
what 250 songs of the last 25 years my list is gonna be crazy so get ready for that we're talking
about dancing with the stars thank god and we're also going to be talking about a little like early
early oscar preview and stay tuned to the very end because we have a big announcement a little
bit of a life of a showgirl like big announcements at the end of the show so let me say this let me
say this are you looking for a home for your worst opinions wait were you kind of trying to redeem
yourself in the 70s by being like life of a showgirl ally no okay yep i don't need them what
are you talking about i don't need them i i these are people who are telling me that call it what
you want is not a good song i'm like oh please he's irrelevant on no i said uh-uh i don't need
it
i'm not gonna fight with someone who hasn't their chemistry homework okay it doesn't it's not gonna
happen for me are you a um hater first but a lover of pop culture second consider this a glorified
group chat but we're not calling you out no no no we're calling you in it's a safe it's me to talk
shit and also to be right but of course from wondery i'm peyton dicks and i'm hunter harris
and this is let me say this
well this week i thought tate mccray deserved a break because you always have something to say
about her dancing and i thought we gotta take the heat off my girl and i've never been wrong
it might have been hot but i've never been wrong let's say that
um ever since whitney lovett from secret lives of mormon wives sure was cast on dancing with the
stars i was like she's gonna win she is going to win and i have never watched dancing with the
stars before and this is the season that i've been like locked in well i was gonna say when i saw
whitney do hit her little two-step and serve face while her child was like in an incubator behind her
that's star quality because if you're ready to commit there then you're ready to commit on stage
for america and so
some of the comments are like wow she's such a good dancer without her son in the back of the
shot i'm like i guess we didn't need him as a tool jeez oh can she never forget oh my goodness
um anyway so this is season 34 of dancing with the stars and we're in week four and i mean it's
like a good it's a good cast it's dylan efron zach's brother also traitors fave alex earl
the one who had like the big breakup with um alex cooper oh yes yes yes
the mormon wise jen affleck who like is like six weeks i think postpartum like had a baby like
earlier this year um and then whitney lovett who is like was a competitive dancer studied dance at
bring him young um and wait i'm surprised you didn't even mention the jen affleck uh recent
dunkin donuts commercial with ben affleck well did you watch it because it's not really no it's not
really good yeah she's not she's not an actor no she's very pure of heart i almost said but ben is
and it's like well yes
yeah
so he was great in that commercial that's where i know his work yeah but i'm it's funny because
like he looks hot in that commercial yeah like the drawings when he was like um 53 great middle
or whatever yeah he's like i'm right up the middle of 53 i was like he's staring down the
barrel of 53 and making it look great and he is i get it jaylo um robert irwin brother of bendy
son of steve irwin jordan chiles and hilaria hilaria baldwin yeah
uh yes and she's the most recent um woman to be evicted loser oh sorry it's a competition
i'm not here to make friends well you have a dance background what have you been thinking
i want get the wide shot of that okay anyway i'm just acting up on this um okay so i will say i
just watched like a highlight reel of everyone's work real quick and then the most recent i think
episode was the disney one which was the most recent episode of the disney one which was the
greatest that should speak to you you're a disney adult i am the daughter of the disney i'm the
daughter of the witches they couldn't burn but the disney adults my mother is a disney adult
and that's her like achilles heel she's so hot and perfect and gorgeous and then loves disneyland
um okay here are my immediate thoughts yes jen you're counting in your head babe and we can see
it i can't when when you can see you're kind of stuck in your in your jaw you're really tight in
your jaw here she's thinking five six seven eight she's thinking about what's next and the best
performers are the ones that are like one i'll let things happen and also my shoulders are down
down and back alice earl better than i thought really better than i thought i didn't know she
had a dance possible background i don't know she i was pleasantly surprised okay i will say like
one thing that i noticed though is almost no one is giving face half of dancing is serving
face you know who knows that addison ray and i'll wake that up in a minute because i need to speak
on my sister okay the only people serving face are robin irwin and your sister whitney uh well
listen whitney she's she's one in a million she's one million she's gonna win that's where we're
going well she's gonna win she's probably gonna win but boy apparently people think it's an unfair
advantage why she's a dance background don't a lot of actors okay like what what do you want her to
do is dancing with the stars and she can dance yeah gosh i think that's so silly because it's
like most people who are performers at the moment are like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm
at least like actors or singers or even like gymnasts to a certain degree like have to do
ballet like you have you you normally have to take a dance class yeah so it makes sense to have a
dance background like god forbid she'd be good at it yeah no i'm like i don't know everyone being
like she's an unfair advantage i'm like well she started early she's been praying with her entire
life when i when i went to utah to profile her she was like dancing was like my first passion like i
all i only want to be a dancer and that's why i kind of like doing the tiktok videos like in the
morning i was like bored during like kind of like pre-pandemic like pandemic yeah um that's when she
started getting bored in her life in utah i don't even sorry i don't even i know that's your friend
that's your friend i'm sorry i'm sorry respect i'm sorry i'm just i'm just mean wait what have
you what did you think about dylan evron i think he's hot you said beautiful gowns yeah i think i
think he's a handsome man that's true i think he's a heterosexual man yeah
everyone has different gifts okay i mean i don't like his tattoos either but it's like what what
what what benefit is it to talk about them but then i really do have a a serious eye for like
if someone can fuck and dylan evron does not look like he can fuck he's not in his hips enough
i was like open your hips do some stretches in the morning do some stretches in the morning
it's like the meanest thing you can say to someone okay i was like between dylan and robert
robert irwin is laughing dylan and the you know if we're gonna gender things which i guess i just
did but i'm like yeah dylan can go for me pretty face yeah beautiful gowns well over it we need a
hunk sometimes um we need a hunk sometimes that's what i always say yeah well what do you think of
ilaria making her triumphant return to reality television since uh the dreadful really like
dystopian um the baldwins i i truly think that because you know she's like 50 years old and she's
like 50 loving kids i truly think that like her end game is like to be the chris jenner of her
baldwinitos oh i think that's what she but she only has sons oh so you know they don't want to
work hard she's a couple daughters but they're mostly boys someone's like because rob is coming
back to the kardashians and then everyone says this but real real true recession indicator
because rob was off that show tough he was like don't pull me in this mess i'm not a part of this
so bring him back i'm like oh lord the real recession indicator would be when
brody jenner comes on speak about a hunk yeah really jenner's kind of fine not kind of very
fine we gotta get back on the topic girl okay so what do you think of ilaria i actually thought
she was pretty good i thought she was good i thought she was pretty good but she's so stiff
that i'm like you know i mean it's one thing to have like i can see her upright posture you can
tell that she practices you can tell she puts her heart into it you can tell she's a woman that
commits to a bit and i like that in her dancing specifically maybe not her fake accent but she
also looks like she's counting in her head and she also looks like she's doing the thing that's a
little bit um competition dancey where you're just like vaseline full smile yeah and no expression
and i don't like when i can tell i mean of course all their partners are professional dancers but i
don't like when i see especially a man like out dancing you and her partner i will say is serving
more face than she is okay well he yeah i mean he this is his thing yeah but she should keep up
yeah well she can't remember cucumber she can't remember how to say cucumber so i wait what the
clip of her being like uh how do you say uh cucumber what oh this is like this is like her
most like famous clip is that she can't remember how to say cucumber and english is her first
language oh so she's the funniest one oh so she's coming like she's like oh we gotta get to her on
that saudi but also alec baldwin being in the audience for dancing with the stars is like
how the mighty have fallen like this is just like bizarre wait well what was your not to go a little
too a little wide here but like did you watch any like reality competition shows like that
if dancing with stars is your first time watching it yeah would you grow up with any anything that
world like i was like a so you think you could dance head no i never i never um watched it like
dance show i mean i guess like the closest honestly would be like america's next top model
and that raised a lot of us how long do you have yeah before you get into that um but if you had
to go on a reality show who would what show would you choose oh my god i love this question but i
think my answer is always unfair which is like traitors but technically i feel like you can't
pick that because you have to go on something first yeah
i don't know what do you think i'd be good on careful also careful by the way i can see you on
um i can see you on house hunters international i don't even know what that is oh it's amazing
it's kind of one of my favorite reality shows but i i feel like you would like love like you
do like a bit like a big bit and you'd be like i don't like that i don't like that and it would be
like fun i think sarah hoggy once earnestly told me that she was like you would do really well on
the violent it's like oh i think i think you would do really well and i was like but you wouldn't go
on a dance show you wouldn't go on a dance competition um i don't think i would win
i would judge i would judge i would if you're asking me to judge on the show
yep let's do this i'm locked in i'm free tomorrow what would you go on um i would go oh roni i'd go
on like oh yeah roni like main cast no i'd be friend of but okay but what would you be main
cast of i don't know i guess i maybe i'd go on survivor you know what i think you'd be good at
what i think you'd be good as like and the gays would love it it would be like this would be like
when you went to animal that one time if you were a guest judge on drag race like even if you like
you don't have to like watch it but you would be like a fan favorite they'd be like hunter from
hung up and people would be like the guys would be like and you'd do like a cute little like
whatever yeah yeah i would that i can see you tearing that up yeah i like that oh my god i
gotta look into this house hunter thing though because i could go either way yeah no you'd be
good on it you'd be good okay okay so rolling stone put out 250 greatest songs of the 21st
century so far so far so of course we've said this is an opportunity to show how mentally
ill we are i've got some stuff that you wouldn't even believe and and the swifties are coming for
you so i'm like this is a we got some eyes on you and let him and let him you said i'm like get
behind me hunter but i would be like get her i had i had therapy yesterday it's just not gonna
bother me i'm i'm wearing the armor of god yeah you're in the armor of morning pages
no i did them this morning i thought i i thought i forgot but i did do you know do you know how i
started my morning pages yesterday how how i i was like too busy i didn't want to do them and i
said i didn't i avoided my morning pages this morning and i said that's called me to the page
more than ever he's like i'm such a bitch that hearts her eyes you are one of our friends was
like peyton your heart is like too open closing like it's too much anyway um and that'll come up
again in this list but we decided that we should uh you know weigh in on the matter i will say
rolling stone they said number one get your freak on missy elliott incredible choice 2001
and rounding out the top 10 was maps by yayas crazy in love by beyonce featuring jay-z seven
nation army the oh really the white stripes all too well taylor swift period dancing on my own
robin period all right kendrick lamar idiotique idiotic i don't know idiotique or idiotic by
radiohead that's not my gospel i'm sorry toxic britney spears thinking about you frank ocean
um let's talk about this list for a second because toxic uh nine toxic in the top 10
really an inspired choice that really impressed me um all too well definitely it belongs but i
couldn't is it like does it include both like the 10 minute version and the rich i mean i guess i'm
yeah i wrote the blurb and it kind of was like both um and then all right kendrick lamar i was
like yeah i'm picking up what you're putting down it's not my choice from kendrick lamar
yeah is it of kendrick lamar songs i felt like someone like an ally wrote
it yeah definitely definitely it feels very obama era yeah like um and then dancing on my own robin
i love robin but i don't know that song like really doesn't do it for me like i can appreciate
it as an incredible song yeah but i it's not my favorite robin song yeah and i would actually say
like missing you is actually one of my favorite robins oh totally that was in my my little list
um but yeah that this does feel a little obama era good but obama wouldn't wouldn't put this on
his list because obama listens to ethel kane so he would
know better than someone and he loves his it too like that's a leo that's a leo when they they're
gonna spin the block let me take a sip yeah um but i did like uh maps by the yeah yeah yeahs on
here i was like that that feels like there has to be some kind of indie representation like that
kind of well seven nation army too i'm not really a white stripes person oh i like that guy i saw
walking down the street the other day okay okay so your top 10 or do you want to start with mine
i was gonna say i didn't follow the rules oh that's that's a shocker
i didn't follow the rules and i did i don't think i'm right about anything i just want to get that
on the page how many did you how how many are on your list like 17 like a random number okay that's
i just stopped when i was like this is actually overwhelming me and i'm getting overstimulated
yeah okay 250 songs like even that felt like not enough there's so many okay you start you start
you want me to start yeah because like i i'm i'm like might not even share mine this will be like
when my friend got attached to me and i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm
and we were supposed to do it together and i watched her get it and i said actually i don't
want that what was the tattoo of um a chili pepper on her arm and i said yeah better not
um okay i'm trying to really avoid the recency bias that was like that was a difficult part for
me um and then a lot of songs i was thinking about were just like fully from 1998 yeah i'm
let me let me say this a lot of people benefited from kirk franklin and the family doing you know
god's property like in 1998 like do you want a revolution stomp melodies from heaven i'm like
you guys got you you're lucky then it's from before anyway not a neighbor taylor order um
euphoria by kendrick lamar we can't stop by miley cyrus sorry by justin bieber thank you next by
ariana grande bunny is a writer by caroline nigapolichek period mad by her government name
yeah it is if you know you know because she used that in a instagram caption once and kalayla was
like oh stop pause what are you doing um okay mad by salon summer girl by heim
and the taylor swift on this list i'm like now i'm kind of tensing up i was talking on that
before um delicate oh perfect song um deja vu by beyonce and i'm gonna say number one song i said
i wasn't gonna list them in order but this is number one is confessions part two
has to be you know what's crazy is that's our only song in common that doesn't that's not crazy
we come here because opposites attract um okay now can i give you like my like like honorable
mentions toxic by britney spears i thought that was such a good choice um a and w by lana oh good
one um untitled how does it feel by d'angelo oh wait that's not like what year is that that was
2000 oh i thought that was 90 okay keep going
yeah um valentine by fiona apple i'm a tulip in a cup um and time of our lives by pitbull and neo
of course great song anthem and one more thing that i want to say i looking at the rolling stone
list i was like there's a pretty glaring omission here and i don't want to be controversial but like
they left out a lot of kanye and i was like that's just like well that's stupid intellectually
unserious like if we're doing
this yeah no i i totally understand all city kanye i mean i went to see the documentary and it was
extremely upsetting oh yeah really yeah oh it was crazy um we should actually be talking about that
but but but i'm just like what like black skinhead would be in the top 10 like that's such an
incredible song and was there no kanye i feel like there was some kanye but it was like he was way
further down the list and i'm like i don't think that it's like when you make a list of like the
best movies the 80s and like there are no woody allen movies it's like well be serious like sorry
um yeah so the woke left
what's what's your list okay i'm outing myself as having for the first time on this podcast bad
taste no fuck that actually i'm gonna say this with my chest okay so songs of the 21st century
it's not 10 it's just where i felt like going first the middle by marin morris a perfect pop
song usher confessions of course big girls don't cry fergie i did my morning pages
missing you robin american teenager ethel kane it wasn't me shaggy 303 don't trust a hoe and that's
great advice by the way kalela let me know birds of a feather billy eilish jose gonzalez heartbeats
the cover kitty cat beyonce toxic britney spears paramore all i wanted this is how you remind me
and because of you kelly clarkson and every single cover she's done since during kelly
okay okay the pronunciation of kelly okey was crazy kelly okay yeah um so i just want to
Let's begin there.
Well, just because we're in the States doesn't mean we need to.
I'm going to say Kitty Kat by Beyonce inspired.
We're Deja Vu fans.
We're, excuse me, B-Day fans.
Well, yes.
But you know what I was going to say about when I was making this list?
I was curious if you did this too.
I was like, what's the best songs for certain things?
So like, what's the best song to like, like the perfect pop song in general?
What's the best song to fuck to?
What's the best song to dry hump to?
What's the best song to like, yearn to?
Like, I was like thinking of like, oh, these can't just be.
Because I started making my list of just like, you know, Sam Smith, Latch, like Disclosure.
Like, that's a great song.
Actually, that should be on that list.
But it was all these like, anthem jams and not like, but me, I'm reflecting.
And I'm sometimes sitting and looking out my window.
And what's playing?
What's getting me through?
So, no, I approached it not to be like, you and me, we live totally different lives.
But we do.
But we do.
I was like, I was really thinking of like, songwriters.
Like, looking at this list, looking at my list, I'm like, wait.
We have to have Mariah.
Like, that there's no Mariah and there's no SZA on my list.
I was like, we've got to go back to the drawing board.
Like, that was really hard for me.
Well, this felt hard because I kept wanting to do albums.
Like, Emancipation of Mimi, I'm like, oh, album, of course.
Yeah.
I mean, almost every song on the album.
But I feel like albums are so much easier than songs.
Songs is hard.
Yeah.
I mean, We Belong Together, I think, could have been on my list.
I do kind of like, the weak ones, the ones that I was like, I don't, Sorry by Bieber.
It's like, is that the best version?
Of like, that type of song?
I don't really know.
But it's like, but we can't not have any, not have any Bieber.
I know.
We Can't Stop by Miley.
I was like, it was either this or Two Most Wanted.
So, you tell me.
See, I was like, one of my first thoughts about album was Bangers.
I loved Solange.
I think, like, that album was a whole moment.
And I like Cranes in the Sky.
But I think Mad is like, really like the, like, the more, like, complicated, like, like.
Solange is not my top 20 favorite artists.
But her doing that kitty cat dance on that boat with the wine glass.
Yes, yes, yes.
Now I'm up.
Now I'm back up.
Now I'm back up.
I'm never beating the Zoe Kravitz allegations.
When Channing Tatum said she loves to wake up and watch a movie.
Oh.
Yeah.
Totally.
I would agree.
I know.
I would agree with you.
I'm sort of the Zoe to your Channing, I would say.
Oh, yeah.
How have we never, like, a stop-stop before?
Oh, shit.
Are we going to break up, though?
That would suck.
No.
No, we're together forever.
No, no.
We're the Bennifer of Zoe.
Put your eyebrow down.
Put that brow right down.
We break up and come back together every episode.
For a decade.
That's what we do.
That's what we do.
That is what we do.
Oh, my God.
Okay, wait.
Why, though?
What do you like to do?
Because, girl, what did I do this weekend?
Ask me what I did.
What did you do?
I took my ass to Lincoln Center and I watched all five hours of the episode.
I watched the Apple TV Orton Scorsese documentary with a 30-minute intermission.
Yeah, yeah.
And I had the time of my life.
I love it.
I said, I'm seated.
I'm in here.
I'm good.
Spread out.
I said, don't worry about me.
I'm good.
I'm paying rent up here.
I almost wanted to, like, do one of those posts.
Like, does anyone want to sublet my apartment when I go to Lincoln Center for five hours?
That's funny.
That's funny.
You should post that.
But, yeah, so I watched that.
I was so moved by it.
I was so interested.
I was so interested.
It's directed by Rebecca Miller, who is, she made, oh, my gosh, what's that Greta Gerwig
movie called with Ethan Hawke?
Maggie's Plane, which I love that movie.
It's, like, very underrated.
Also married to Daniel Day-Lewis, daughter of Arthur Miller.
And, yeah, I was very interested in it.
And then on Monday, I saw Marty Supreme.
I got an email, like, it's a secret screening.
We can't tell you what it is, but it hasn't played at any festival.
And in my mind, I thought Marty Supreme.
It's going to be Marty Supreme.
But then it comes out in December.
So I was like, it's so early.
And then at the screening, Josh Safdie was introducing it.
And he was like, I literally finished the movie at two o'clock in the morning.
Oh, love.
Yeah.
Like, true.
And I'm like, that's the real energy.
Like, that's the real Safdie Brothers energy.
Are they still going through that divorce?
Speaking of breaking up and getting married together.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say so.
And I feel kind of bad because it's like, of course, Taylor Swift took over the box office.
So, like, smashing machine, like, didn't really make any noise when it opened.
But without any spoilers, Marty Supreme.
Exhilarating.
Exhilarating.
Exhilarating.
I love the way you said that.
Exhilarating.
Exhilarating.
No, I took a beta blocker before because I was, like, nervous, like, feeling a little bit of social anxiety.
And Marty Supreme cut right through the beta blocker.
I was on the edge of my seat.
I was breathing heavy.
I was like, some parts I had to look away.
I was, like, too nervous.
From the screen?
Yeah.
You're perfect.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Oh, I'm so jealous.
Oh, I wish I wasn't out of town.
I really wanted to go to that.
And you were in D.C., too.
I was like, dang.
I'm trying to eat one, teach one.
You said my fallen sister.
Oh, my God.
Okay, well, I can't wait to see it.
When does it come out?
Oh, Christmas.
Christmas.
Christmas Day.
Oh, my God.
Yep.
Did Timmy debut what you know I got to talk about?
Girl, that hat is attached to his scalp like he just got a hair transplant.
Like, he just left Turkey.
And I was, like, even at the after party, he didn't take off the hat.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, committed to the bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because he posted that video of, like, you know, premiering it.
And I was, like, this is so. Premiering it.
Yeah.
I love.
He's such a diva.
Yeah.
Premiering the cut.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can tell when someone is a barb.
It's like, I know how to do this.
I'm ready.
I'm Jill Guardia.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just, I'm happy that he's joined the greats.
Because we have Tyrese.
We have Vin Diesel.
We have Pit Bull.
His boyfriend on TikTok.
And now. Oh, we got Taye Diggs, too.
Now he's bald-headed.
It's to me not bald.
You wouldn't call that bald.
No, I call that a buzz cut.
Shit.
Yeah.
There's a difference between bald-headed and, like, a buzz cut.
There is a difference.
Okay, I'm going to take it back.
I'm going to take it back.
There are men who are fine that are bald.
And there are men who are fine with a buzz cut.
And they are not the same.
I know.
I feel like I'm just going to confirm what Jay Jordan said last week on our podcast.
Where I was about to rattle off about all these fine boys that shave their head.
Like, I love when a boy gets a buzz cut.
I love it.
No, we've talked about it.
But you know what I love more than a man getting a buzz cut?
A woman getting a buzz cut.
I've seen Demi Moore.
I know you.
Demi.
I know you.
Yeah, yeah.
I saw her do that one-arm push-up when she was promoting G.I. Joe.
G.I. Jane.
G.I. Jane.
Oh, misgender.
Sorry.
We're talking about men with buzz cuts.
We have to talk about Brad Pitt.
Like, that was. You are being controversial.
I'm going to say snake on a plane.
But still, it is the truth.
But I prefer Brad Pitt with. With inches.
And that's, again, yes, because I'm gay.
But also because he used it to his advantage, which was, like, matching all of his girlfriend's
haircuts.
Yeah.
So he can always just, like, meet their look.
Yeah.
And that, unfortunately, but was sexy for me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love when a woman dates a man that looks like her.
That's so fun.
Oh, Taylor and Joe.
Anyway, so let's get out of men. Let's put men down.
Let's put the girls up.
Yeah.
You and I.
Babe.
Well, we've got an announcement.
We've got an announcement for you.
We are expecting. I'm caring?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you know I would only show from the side.
Well, we have an announcement.
We have an announcement.
We are expecting a new home.
Yep.
This is our last episode with Wondery.
We are taking a little hiatus.
Watch this space.
But it has been the pleasure of my. Young adult life.
Last year and a half, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To work on this podcast.
And really genuinely to get to, like. I love having an excuse to see you, like, once a week.
I know.
And honestly, I feel like more than that.
I feel like more than that now.
Because it's like we already, like, were friends and hanging out before this podcast.
But, like, oh, what a good excuse to, like, get to key and talk shit and get made fun of
and then bully in return and then break up and get back together with my best friend.
Like, that's so fun.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I feel the same.
And I love when you come over after and we, like, are nonverbal in the car and, like,
you come over and see Remy and, like, she freaks out and I'm like, oh, gosh.
Oh, my God.
She pisses on your floor and you're like, here we go again.
She gets excited.
We'll keep you posted.
But thank you for rocking with us.
We rocking with Mark.
We rocking with Mark and y'all are rocking with us.
So stay tuned.
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That's it for this week.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The speaker is in hiding due to backlash from Swifties, who are angry over their perception that Taylor Swift's *Reputation* album is her best work.
The narrator reflects on the cyclical, romantic nature of relationships, especially comparing the Bennifer (Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck) dynamic to a recurring love story where breakups and reunions happen repeatedly.
A deep admiration for the Ben Affleck-Jennifer Lopez relationship is expressed, citing a memorable scene from *Kiss of the Spider Woman* where their chemistry and intimacy are highlighted.
The conversation touches on personal tastes in music, with the host critiquing Rolling Stone’s top 250 songs list, noting omissions of key artists like Kanye West and the inclusion of songs like “Get Your Freak On” by Missy Elliott.
The host shares a personal music list rooted in emotional experience, including songs that evoke nostalgia, connection, and personal reflection.
The podcast concludes with an announcement of a temporary hiatus from Wondery, emphasizing the deep bond and camaraderie formed through the show.
A strong emphasis is placed on the cultural significance of music, dance, and pop culture, especially in shaping personal identity and emotional experiences.
The discussion blends personal anecdotes, pop culture references, and critiques of mainstream media, creating a candid and self-reflective tone.
Summary:
The conversation is a candid, emotionally rich reflection on love, pop culture, and personal identity. The host shares their experience of being targeted by Swifties over their admiration for Taylor Swift’s *Reputation* album, framing it as part of a larger pattern of cyclical romantic relationships—particularly referencing the Bennifer dynamic between Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck. The dialogue explores deep personal connections, such as the emotional impact of watching the film *Kiss of the Spider Woman* and the nostalgic power of music.
The host critiques Rolling Stone’s list of the greatest songs, arguing it lacks diversity and omits vital artists like Kanye West, while sharing their own curated list rooted in personal memories and emotional resonance. Meanwhile, the podcast transitions into a heartfelt farewell, announcing a temporary hiatus and celebrating the authentic, unfiltered friendship formed through the show. The tone balances humor, vulnerability, and cultural insight, blending music, relationships, and self-reflection into a deeply personal narrative that celebrates both fandom and human connection.
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The speaker is in hiding because they are being targeted by Swifties, who are angry that they praised Taylor Swift's album 'Reputation' as her best work.
Swifties are upset because they feel that the speaker is criticizing Taylor Swift's music, especially her 'Joe' songs, which they believe are not as good as her earlier work.
The speaker believes 'Reputation' is Taylor Swift's best album, noting it was significant because she completed it before it could be reworked.
Yes, the speaker believes they will reunite, citing a pattern of breakups and comebacks every 20 years, calling it a 'mutual agreement' and 'the greatest love story ever told.'
The speaker finds the movie interesting and romantic, especially the scene where Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck share a moment in bed, which feels like a nostalgic, intense connection.
The speaker sees it as a complex, romantic, and emotionally charged relationship, where one wants her to remain distant and idolized, while the other is emotionally accessible.
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