"Being Fat Is A Choice!" Greg Doucette Slams Fitness Influencers, Body Positivity, & Scams

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Mike Israetel has literally said you can do anything you want, talk about me whenever you want. Just because I'm popular. And if I fall off tomorrow, Greg will never make another video about me again. What muscles do you think women look for most in men? All these guys doing hand workouts to try to impress. I'm like, look, spend less time of that and get a job and have some money. Girls care about your wallet. How does a 16 year old look like this? A lot of steroids and a lot of working out. Like 16 year olds are doing steroids now and bragging about it. It's at this point, it's insane. Who is the worst fitness influencer right now? Greg, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour. So we have a series of fitness claims and then you're going to either agree or disagree and they're sprinkled throughout the structure of this video. You ready? Be sure. Let's do it. In 2026, there is no excuse to be obese. Definitely. I've said that a number of times. With the GLPs nowadays, you can use them. Everyone can use them if you can afford it, that is. And you will absolutely lose weight. So if you can't lose weight and use a GLP, and by GLPs, I mean ozempic, terzipatide, retitutri, you can and will lose weight. It is literally easy now. How much of that is personal choice versus genetic? It's probably 50% genetic and 50% personal choice because some people are born with more fat cells and more ghrelin, which is a hunger hormone. And so if you're born with more fat cells, more ghrelin, it's way harder to stay skinny. There's always that food noise, but you can choose to eat healthier foods, more fruits and vegetables, leaner, you know, cuts of meat, whatever, to allow yourself to eat less calories and do more exercise. And so you can overcome it. It's just way harder for people with bad genetics. But with the GLPs, literally easy. Everyone's in a level playing field. No excuses now. So what percentage body fat should every single person watching this be under for male and female? There's no number to be under. It's more so to do with your own health and your range. Everyone has a certain range of body fat that's comfortable for them. But in general, a man should be at about 15% body fat for ideal health reasons, a woman around 25%. As you get higher than that, there's going to be more and more negative consequences. But I wouldn't say somebody that's, for example, morbidly obese, let's say you're a guy with 50% body fat. I'm not going to tell him you get down to 15, but maybe for him, 25 is healthy. Somebody else that's at 30, maybe they can only get to 20. But the closer to 15, the better, assuming it doesn't cause any problems. You recently posted a video just titled Clueless Fat People. Mm-hmm. What do you think fat people are clueless about? How to lose weight and what it takes to get there? Because if they knew, they would literally do it. Do you think that it's actually a problem of education? I think it's half education and just half people not giving it. Like just literally, just, I don't care. I'm just not going to think about it. Like people don't think about the things that they're doing. For example, with alcohol, they don't want to think that it's a poison. They don't want to think it's a class one carcinogen by the World Health Organization. So rather than think about it, they just put it off and don't actually do, any thought on it whatsoever. Is it a thought though, or is it more about willpower? I think it's a lack of thought. Like when I was drinking, I didn't think, oh, it might give me cancer. I'm just like, it's just drinking. It's fun. Or if somebody's gambling, they're just thinking, oh, it's fun. It's dopamine. It's a good time. I might make some money. They're not thinking, what if I get addicted and lose my house? Same thing with food. So what changes psychologically in someone's brain if they go from something like 25 or 35% body fat down to 15 to 17% body fat? Because it's hard to get someone to care about something if they don't care. Is this something that they could start to care about so they don't have to force themselves to care about something if they decrease their body fat? Well, they could absolutely start caring about it. And the biggest thing is when people are at whatever they are right now. So let's say there's a viewer at home and they're at 40% right now. They think life isn't bad. I'm sitting here watching Coach Greg, iced coffee hour. This is a good time. I walk to the store. I walk from my car to wherever and I feel good. They don't care. They don't realize how unhealthy they actually are until they actually get in shape. So there's one woman that I was doing that response to where she said, I feel fit. She was 400 pounds. And I'm like, if I felt like you, I would be in the worst state of my life. I would be absolutely hating my life. And if you felt like me, she would think, life is this good? And so until you get to that point, you don't understand what you're missing. So the people who are overweight, they think everything is great until they lose the weight. And then they then realize, wow, my former life was terrible. Is it true that sometimes people who are obese feel the craving of hunger stronger than other people? They absolutely do. Almost all of them. That's why they're obese. My opinion is that people who are obese, it's mostly like a genetic thing, or at least it's 50% genetics. Now there's a lot of people who are not obese, who are not obese because they fight through it. They have the willpower or they're doing cardio. Like if I wasn't doing 10 hours on my bike every single week or more and lifting weights, and eating healthy, I wouldn't be this lean. I would maybe be at 20%, but I wouldn't be at 40%. And so my genetics don't allow me to get that fat. So I'm lucky. I'm fortunate that way. So, I mean, I wish they had the same genetics as me, but a lot of people have great genetics and they still don't care. They eat horribly and they end up overweight. How real is the ectomorph, endomorph, and mesomorph thing? Like can someone actually distill their physique or like natural body type down to one of those groups? It's on a spectrum for all of them. So it's kind of like height. I'm a manlet. I'm five foot six. I'm short. If somebody can say, you're short. Am I really short? It's on a spectrum. I'm not three feet tall. I'm not six foot six either. So it's the same like that. If you have an endomorphic body, which means you're going to be really, really fat and you weigh 600 pounds, it's absolutely true. If I tried to be a 400 pound man for a billion dollars to save every soul in this world, I couldn't do it. I could try. I could just, to save every person on this planet, everyone would be cheering for me. I couldn't do it. I couldn't get to 400 pounds. My body wouldn't allow it. I would eat that much food. I would throw up. I wouldn't stay down. I physically couldn't do it. Those people, some of them, they have to struggle to get under 400 pounds. When do you think compassion turns into enabling? A lot of people online will be nice to people who are overweight. It's okay. Don't worry. You're trying. Oh, you took 10,000 steps. It's like, you're just giving them a participation trophy. I don't think that that works. And they're on the other hand, they're going to say, yeah, but you yelling at them and calling them fat isn't going to work either. Well, there's, maybe there's somewheres in the middle that would be the ideal point. But every person that's watching videos, if you're watching me saying you're fat and you need to start exercising, eat healthier. If you don't like that, go on to somebody else's video. Whatever video you're watching, if it's mine and it makes you lose weight, awesome. If it's not, don't watch me, watch somebody else. But as long as it works, that's the bottom line. Is fat shaming effective? I think it's a great thing for many people. For some people it's not, but I think without fat shaming and with, and body positivity and accepting everybody, then we just accept mediocrity. I just think that people will say, oh, you're 300 pounds. Oh, it's good. It's okay. We love you no matter what. I'd rather hear them say, do you realize you're taking 20 years off of your life? What is wrong with you? Lose some weight. Look how fat you are. You think a girl's going to want to go out with you? Look what happened to you. Stop doing what you're doing. Men treat each other that way. Men will say to a guy friend, hey, you're fat. Women will say to a girl that's 300 pounds, no, you're a 10 queen. But imagine telling that girl, saying you look like her. What are you talking about? So I feel like men treat other men more in a reality and women treat other women more like, oh no, it's okay. But behind the scenes, they're all fighting. So then when can fat shaming become cruel? I think when the person tells you, look, what you're saying bothers me. I don't want you to do it anymore. And if you continue, that's when you cross in line. But without that, then why not keep going? Like if you have to stand up for yourself, you don't like how somebody's treating you, how they're talking to you, how they're teasing you, whatever, what name they're calling you. Like if they're saying fat so, say, look, I don't, I don't like it when you call me fat so. Can you please stop doing that? It offends me. If somebody said that to me, I'm not going to do it to them anymore. And so without that, where do you stop? I mean, are you not trying to treat other people like you're a dad or an uncle? Trying to stop people? You have these titles and they put me in a bad light. Mike Israetel has literally said, you can do anything you want, talk about me whenever you want. But let's say he calls you and he changes his mind and he says, hey man, this hurts my feelings, what you're saying about me. I'm really self-conscious about my calves. He's self-conscious about his tan. If he said, well, let's see. Mr. Mike is selfish. The rules for the not for me. Mr. Mike is selfish about his tan. We've had talks in the past and I eased up on him quite a bit for a long time until that research thesis paper there came out. So I have stopped in the past on several different people who've wrote me in private. I've taken multiple videos down. It depends. Every situation is different. What do you think the body positivity movement is getting correct? I think that it should be more accepting. for people who are, for example, have handicaps or disabilities, or if they're trying and they're making an effort, then you should accept that. But if it's a lack of effort and whatnot, then I don't think they should let them off the hook. I don't really see it as much different than if somebody's an alcoholic or a drug addict, or they're abusing steroids and you say, look, you need to stop doing what you're doing. No one would say that that's bad. Like if we see somebody who's literally a drug addict and we say, you need to stop doing the drugs, it's bad, you're going to kill yourself. No one would say that's a bad thing. But if somebody's eating themselves to death and you say you should stop eating yourself to death, then people are okay with it. It's just what's socially acceptable. That's the only difference. So do you think obesity is going to become a lot less common over the next 10 years? It's already becoming less common with the obesity drugs. Absolutely. With the GLPs, way, way less people are going to be obese. What about the risk of taking these drugs expanded over the course of the next 10 years? What do you think is the worst case scenario? And what do you think is the most realistic case scenario? I think there's definitely. There's definitely risk to taking the GLPs like anhedonia, like laugh of feelings. I mean, there's some people taking these GLPs that are not wanting to gamble anymore. They're not wanting to drink. They don't have as much excitement in life. They don't want to have sex as much. They don't want to gamble as much. And so your drive to be human or to enjoy things is diminished. So that is a bad thing. Now, overall, I think that people who don't need to use GLPs shouldn't use them. So if I said, I'm going to use a GLP, you'd be like, well, why would you do that? I'm already lean enough. And so if you're overweight or obese, to me, no problem. But if you're already able to maintain a healthy body fat percentage without it, then you shouldn't use it. Isn't the lack of drive, though, purely due to consuming less food and having less energy? The lack of drive for sex and gambling? I don't think so. But partially, I think that it would be a partial reason for that. Yeah. Because if I'm trying to lose a little weight and I'm eating a lot less, I just find myself, I got brain fog. I'm not as motivated. Versus if I'm just kind of eating whatever, I do feel that like a little more energetic. That's a great point. Because you're right. When I would diet, for bodybuilding competitions, my desire to have sex would go way down. Although something like smoking cigarettes, I don't think would be the same. I think if people eat less, they probably want to smoke more to reduce their drive to eat. But definitely, you've got to be onto something there. So is there something that's harmful about taking these weight loss drugs? Definitely. For example, RETA increases your resting heart rate by sometimes five or 10. I did a video on a guy, he has 11 beats per minute higher resting heart rate. He was feeling sick. He had nausea. So there's a lot of side effects. But almost all these side effects are people are doing the drugs at too high of doses. And just from my own personal anecdote on friends and people I've coached, I think three quarters of people start with too high of a dose. I think the doctors are prescribing too much. And I think it's because pharmaceutical companies want the drug to work the first time. They want people to see and feel that difference immediately, rather than using a really low dose to start and titrate up if and when they need it. The doctors are prescribing really high doses. People are then losing weight really quickly thinking it works. But I think the lowest dose that makes you happy is what people should be doing. So if we use the same drugs, but in lower doses, I think we'll have better effects. Now, the next quote we have here is that the average guy should stop thinking about getting bigger and start thinking about getting leaner. Oh, yes, absolutely. The average guy is too big. Most people are fat. Most people are overweight at this point. The average person is a horrible looking body. The average female, 5 foot 3, 171.4 pounds, give or take. 171 pounds at 5'3". Exactly. It's horrendous. Is that really the average? I'm almost positive that's the average. The average woman is about 5 foot 3 and just over 170 pounds. And so if you look at 5'3 and 170 pounds, it's not pretty. It's not an ideal. So when somebody says, hey, like I'll tell people, hey, I measure their body fat and it's at 33%. I said, hey, that's, you know, just a cutoff of obese, but you're almost average. It's like, that's not a compliment. Like being average is an insult. And so, yes, lean, way more people would live longer, have a healthier life and look better by being leaner and the drive to be bigger. Even if it's just muscle, most people have enough muscle to be honest. Like most people are not dying because they don't have enough muscle unless they're like really old, but having a lot of muscle, it's honestly overrated. I mean, it's coming from a bodybuilder and power lifter. I lift weights twice a week now. I still have plenty of muscle. Like you don't need as much, but I do a lot of cardio. And I think that leaner is going to give you way more benefit in life than having like 20 pounds more muscle than you have right now. One of the things that I noticed is that it seems like a lot of people are on the GLP ones, like the Ozempics and all that. It seems like a lot of that is looked down upon, like, oh, you're relying on those. Why? You couldn't just like diet and exercise. Why do you think that is? 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All you gotta do is click the link in the description or go to betterhelp.com/icedcoffeehour to explore your options. It seems like a lot of that is looked down upon. Like, "Oh, you're relying on those. Why? Why do you think that is?" Same reason as why people don't want to go to the gym, right? It's just like, you know, it's just one of those things that people don't want to go to the gym. It's just like, "Oh, you don't want to go to the gym. Why do you think that is?" Same reason as why people put you down for taking HRT. People are looking for an excuse to put you down because they're not doing something. The people who are putting you down for taking a GLP are not people on GLPs. The people who put you down or myself down for being an HRT are not on HRT themselves. So, you're trying to lower other people to bring yourself up. People will cheer for you when they're down, but if you get ahead of them in any way, then it's like, "Okay, I don't like you now." So, as soon as somebody hears that somebody's on a GLP or HRT or a peptide or any of these things, basically, they're like, "Well, that person's now better than me. They look better than me. They're leaner than me. They're stronger than me. And so, I want to insult them. And so, you didn't do it natural." And so, that's the put down. On the topic of getting lean, what is the best way that you would recommend someone do that? And how do they know their body fat percentage? Because the actual way of figuring that out is like getting in the water, right? Like the water displacement and stuff. That's very complicated and exhaustive. Not the average person has access to that. How can the average person assess their body fat percentage as well as get it to a nice level? Well, body fat assessment, the problem is most of the things that people have thought were accurate are actually scams. So, for example, the InBody scan, it's an InBody scam. It guesses your body fat. Mine was 19 plus percent. And on the DEXA scam, I was 8% give or take, and I was 19% on the InBody. So, both of those are not really accurate methods. The skinfold caliper test, I like it more than that. The hydrostatic weighing test, I like more than the others as well, but that's a lot of work. The skinfold caliper test is great, if I'm the one doing it, but the problem is it's only as accurate as the person measuring it. So, you have to interpret that. Same as an MRI machine. Even an MRI machine, which is like the golden standard for everything, you still have to be able to interpret that data. It's like if you're a radiologist and you're examining, you don't know how to do it, you might make a mistake. But it doesn't really matter because most people are fat anyway. And so, if you can't just ask your friends, "Am I lean? Is this good?" Or even yourself, that's all you need. You should be able to look in the mirror and decide for yourself, "Am I fat?" Now, BMI, not really a great method, because with more muscle, your BMI is going to be higher. Like my BMI is actually obese. Like my BMI is too high. So, if you can't look in the mirror and decide if you're fat or not, then that's a big problem. And then in order to decrease your body fat percentage, what would you say are the best ways of doing that? Because I see a lot of people saying, "Oh, I just started walking 15,000 steps per day. I cut these things out of my diet. I started doing this exercise." What do you think is the best way of doing that? Well, the S-tier, God-tier is calories in, calories out. So, being in a deficit. And whatever makes you do that is S-tier. So, for me, doing a lot of cardio, I love it. If you hate cardio, I'm not going to tell you, all you have to do is ride 10, 15 hours on a bike a week and you're going to be lean. Well, yes, they would be, but they might not want to do it. Maybe for that person, GLP is the way. Maybe for somebody else, it's OMAD or it's intermittent fasting or it's eating more fruits and vegetables or it's eating more protein. So, whatever works for you, that is the ideal method. So, just find out what works. Now, one thing that's not going to work is taking a bunch of steps. There's just been a guy, he posted and it's kind of went viral. He did 10,000 steps. How many calories does 10,000 steps burn? And it only burns 285 calories and it took him 93 minutes above what you burn off at rest. So, he did 10,000 steps, 93 minutes. He's wearing a mask that measures your oxygen and carbon dioxide. That's all it is. And he's a 190-pound man. He's about my size. So, if you're going to burn calories for an hour of walking, that's like half a cheeseburger. What about walking on an incline? It'll double the calories burning on the flat, way better. So, for me, I would advise everyone, you got to do zone two cardio. cardio at least 150 minutes a week. That's the minimum. That's not to lose weight. That's like the minimum just for basic health. I would double that. So for me, cardio zone two, over time, get better at it. You can burn more calories. What's the difference between having good health and having a good physique? A good physique, like we're here at the Mr. Olympia watching this, they all look like they have great physiques and almost all of them have horrible health. Almost every single one. If I took the blood work of every classic physique, bodybuilder, men's physique, bikini girl, if I took their blood work right now and tested them, they would probably be as fit as somebody who's morbidly obese. Almost all of them. So just because you look super fit doesn't make you fit. And so some of the most important things is your VO2 max. And how do you improve that? By doing cardio. So if somebody isn't doing cardio, I'm going to argue that they're not nearly as fit as they could be. What do you look for in the blood results like that? Like what's going to show up out of range? Well, see, one of the problems with bodybuilding is the abuse of steroids. But even if they aren't abusing steroids, your testosterone, your blood sugar, your blood sugar, your blood levels are going to be tanked. If you're using steroids, your cholesterol is going to be horrible. And, um, I guess your chances of having a heart attack or a stroke or any kind of cardiovascular event in the future is going to be bad. You could lose your kidneys. Your, your liver could be like down. I mean, on the downward path to, to being a problem. Like what's your current stack right now? Okay. I do 140 milligrams of HRT a week, 80 milligrams every four days. Um, so that's all I'm doing for like, testosterone or steroids or growth hormone or insulin. People oftentimes think I'm doing a bunch of other things. That's it for, as far as anabolics, I don't do SARMs under any things. I'm doing five to 10 milligrams of Cialis a day. Um, that helps me in the gym. It helps me in the bedroom. It helps me everywhere in life. Honestly, it makes you look way, just using Cialis in the gym can give you such a great pump and look so much better. Is that healthy? Just to like, Cialis at five milligrams a day, I would argue is healthier than not taking it increases blood flow to your, all the organs, not just the downstairs, but your muscles as well. But let's just say you're functioning normally as it is like you're getting blood flow. Like, do you need to take it? Nothing is in need, just like, but you don't need HRT. Technically I don't need HRT. I could probably go off to HRT and in six months to a year, my testosterone levels would go back to normal, but I function great at 700 to 800 nanograms per deciliter. I'm really happy with that. I'm sure I would survive at 500, but I don't want to. So for me, I, I like that. So nothing is really a need. Yeah. But it's really just for the pump at the gym or is there like a health benefit? And in the bedroom and in the bed. Is there a health benefit to this? Or is it just a vanity? I would argue that the bedroom benefit is a good benefit. I'd rather do a 10,000 steps in the bedroom. What do you mean looking at me? I'm not, I'm not, I don't mean to look at you. You're just, he's staring at me. I wasn't like. I'm just listening. I'm that's it. My ear is closer to his mouth. First of all, he recommended you do Cialis. I think you both should be doing Cialis. You got to try this Cialis. Well, one person especially should be doing Cialis, between us. Actually, one thing, I think, um, well, I guess this is not a really great example, but I think it was Dr. K. If you're familiar who that is. Special K? I'm familiar with that. I don't recommend it. Dr. K. He said like the veins in the back of your hand, if it's vascular suggests, I think it was testosterone. I could be completely misquoting him. Definitely not testosterone, but maybe better blood flow or a leanness. Completely misquoting him. The more body fat you have, the more you're going to cover up the veins. Like you're not going to see any of this, but if you're a leaner. But if you take Cialis, then you're going to be able to see just like generally. Much more. I mean, there's like Brian Johnson. The man that wants to live forever, not the liver King that kind of lost his mind. He takes Cialis every day and he's invested multi-millions of dollars to live longer. And there's a correlation between, um, how, how much hardness you have during the night and how in longevity. So it increases more blood flow, better blood flow. You live longer, but I mean, who wants to live if you can't get the blood flow in the right spots. So even if I'm very satisfied with my overall body, I should still probably take Cialis. I don't think there's a, you should take it. I think that you could take it if you want it to be more. But if you're already happy, I would like to be maximally optimal because I have like now introduced vitamin D three into my diet previously. I wouldn't take anything aside from creatine, but now it's actually easier for me to remember to take my creatine because I would skip because I've introduced vitamin D three. It's not like the more things that I take, the more easy it is to remember to take them. So I'm at the point now where I'm like, bring it on, like, give me everything. I find it easier because I opened my little chart of like 15 pills. I take every morning with the G O two max and the Turk builder and all the different things. And it's like, it's just easy. It's every day. I take it. If I had to just remember one bottle at a time, I would do it. I think G O two max of the pills that I take would be one of the best ones. The studies have shown it's like dramatic improvements in cardiovascular endurance, and they're not even sure if it's so much, is it improving your cardio or is it making you want to do more cardio, which is improving the cardio. So like which came first, the chicken or the egg, but if whatever pill you can take, that's going to make you do more cardio, it's going to be better for you. Increased dramatically. They're there. What if you take it, but you don't do cardio? The people that took it in a study, they didn't, they didn't tell them go do cardio. They didn't say practice. They didn't put them on a diet. They didn't do anything. And they basically put said walk a mile and we'll see how long it takes. And then after they had the placebo group and the group that didn't take it and the group that took it walked way faster, like dramatically huge improvements, which was dose dependent, which is even a stronger correlation that it's effective because you take a little bit and you were a bit faster, but you took a lot and you were a lot faster. That's a very good indicator that it works. So I would recommend Gio two max highly. So what else? Um, I really believe in the Turk builder max. I think that that's great for improving people's in endurance in the gym and strength drive determination, wanting to push harder, build more muscle, uh, leaner, drier appearance. Um, also omega three fatty acids. I take that. So just, uh, you know, your basic omega three from Costco for, for example, whatever. I think that's important. Um, the vitamin D like you, like you're doing as well. Uh, Cialis and while we're on the topic of taking care of yourself, it's also really important to think about the people who depend on you. I think a lot about how much goes into building financial security and making sure the people I care about are taken care of is a big part of that. Yeah. It's something nobody really wants to think about, but getting a plan in place is actually way easier than you would think with our partner ethos. They make getting life insurance incredibly simple. So you can make sure the people who depend on you are taken care of in case something happens. And look, I understand life insurance is one of those things that's really easy to keep putting off indefinitely, especially when you're young and healthy, but that's actually when you could lock in the best rates with ethos. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes and even get same day coverage with no medical exam required. 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Take magnesium, but only take it if instead it's glycinate, it's threonate or it's this or it's that. Like, how do you know what is honest and what is not? I think there's information overload. And if you start worrying about worrying about, OK, it has to be this brand and not that brand and it has to be this or that, that's too much. What I recommend is you get your blood work done and you get a full panel. You test everything because you might not need vitamin D at all. Like you need to look in your blood work. I got mine done. I mean, I got it from Algorax, of course, which I own part of the company. But my vitamin D was low. And I'm like, well, really? Because I did not believe in taking a multivitamin because I eat so much food and such a way I could possibly need a vitamin. And then here it is that I do. And a lot of people need more iron. So I don't need iron. Iron's great. But a lot of people are low, low iron. And so with the blood work, you can then say, I need this or I don't need this. So to just say, yeah, you should take vitamin E or vitamin D or coenzyme Q10 or whatever. It's like, what do you individually need? And so if you said my sex dive is amazing and I take a pre pump and I go to the gym and I train great and my veins are popping, I feel I would say, yeah, this is not needed. But if you're like, I could be harder. Or if your girl says, yeah, you could be harder. You want to take it. So what would you say then is the 80-20 for the average person to do? Where if they just want to get the basics for 80% of the results, they do this. I would say the most important supplements to take would be creatine. I think, like you said, vitamin D. I think that's a really important one. I think vitamin omega-3 fatty acids. I think those are really important. And I would say GO2 max, just because as good as Turk is, it's more for, like, lifting weights in the gym. And so I'm more a fan of cardio. Like, I really think cardio trumps weights, trumps muscle anytime. I mean, I've made videos where I'm like, muscles don't matter as much as you think. And they clip me and say, oh, this is stupid. But I'm like, this is coming from a bodybuilder that has retired from bodybuilding and powerlifting and now does cardio. So I think that what makes you do more cardio is more important. Yeah. What I did since our last podcast, I did a full blood analysis with Function Health. And it turned out I was deficient in vitamin D was one of them. And there were like a few others. It was like, I think it was zinc and like there were maybe three or four. But I plugged in. it into Claude and it said, based on these readings, I'd recommend these just over the counter supplements that I bought on Amazon. And it was just all easy stuff, did not cost that much money. And I started taking them. And I think within about three months, I felt probably 10 years younger. 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You're burning off more calories, but at the expense of your heart rate going up. It's like when you're sick and your heart rate's going up, like, do you really want that? And so why not start with the basics? Ozepic, GLP-1. It's the cheapest, and it reduces the food noise. And if you're less hungry, you're going to eat less. That's all you need. Do you think though, with taking some of those GLPs that like 20 years from now, there's going to be some side effects that we're just not aware of today? There's already side effects that we're aware of that people don't talk about, like ischemia of the optic nerve from Ozepic. It's causing some people to go blind. There's lawsuits. They're suing them. I think it's there. I think it's a chance, but I'm not saying people shouldn't take it because you're probably going to get type 2 diabetes or something if you're obese, so it's going to help you. But that does increase the prevalence of this. So it is a concern. It's there, but I don't think we should ignore it. But there are going to be people that suffer from it. I think that works amazingly well that has no potential chance of some people having problems with it. What about just telling people not to eat? It won't work. We've told people that for years. Put the fork down. I've had so many of this. How do you lose weight? You do some push, push away from the table. 10 sets of that, put the fork down. That doesn't work. No one has that much willpower. Couldn't there just be like this gelatinous pudding that you just like drink and it just expands. It makes you full. You're literally talking about a GLP. Not literally. You're kind of talking about the GLP because it makes you less hungry. It slows gastric emptying. So when you do eat food, it sits there longer and it takes longer to digest. No, but I'm just talking like a pudding. So what you would want is to get my cookbook and get one of my protein ice cream shakes where I put some of these guar gums or whatever that thickens it up more and then put it over the head and it fills you up. It's like a 300 calorie ice cream and it fills you up. I did that for 15 years of my life, dieting for bodybuilding competitions, starved out of my mind that I'd never used a GLP. So I was just so hungry. I learned to do volume eating. I learned what fruit and vegetables had the lowest calories. It filled me up and that's what allowed me to stay like full and lean. So what curbs hunger the best? What curbs hunger the best? Anything that fills your stomach up. Like what would an example be? The protein ice cream is probably the thing that curbed my stomach the best in all my years of doing anything. That combined with massive jumbo salads with like spinach or lettuce. Like I'm talking about massive bowls. Those two pair together in the evenings. Like the evenings is when everyone cheats on their diet. Yeah. No one's cheating. No one's cheating on their diet for breakfast and lunch. I did good all day. And then the evening came as I started snacking. That was my problem. It was everyone's problem. Not everyone. I'd say 95% of people I coach, it's the nighttime. There's a few that was like, not that. Most people it's evening. And for me, my evening involved getting home from the gym, having a protein ice cream. Like I'm talking one of these massive, like two, two liter ones. I'm getting half full. Then I'm eating a massive bowl of salad with chicken or egg whites or whatever. And I'm so full. I can't eat anything else. That's it. I'm full. Now I can't, even if there was a pizza in front of me and I want to eat it, I can't. I'm full. I'm full. That's what allowed me to stay lean for 20 years. So what foods should people 100% avoid? There's nothing that you should avoid because if you're craving something, you should allow it. But I would say more so what food should people eat? You should be eating the salads or the protein ice creams, fruits and vegetables. Eat that first and then eat whatever the food that you're trying to avoid is. Let's say it's pizza. Let's say it's a chocolate bar. Eat those things first. Is there anything specifically that's like, I know that Santa Cruz Medicinals hates the crumble cookie. Like what are. You know, foods in general that you think are just like jaw-hard mine. Well, crumble cookies don't even taste good. I've done videos on that. They're so sweet. They're awful. I give it like a three out of 10 to an eight out of 10, the foods in that list. It's not that good. There's so many foods that you should avoid or. So this is what it is. Avoid trigger foods for you. It's going to be different for you than me. Me, it's like cereal and ice cream. Like I just don't want to stop eating those. For somebody else, it might be like crackers or pretzels or chips. I don't need that. Pretzels, no. Like cookies, I can. I can not eat a cookie, but like cereal, oh my God, like the box is gone. It doesn't. It's not. It's not something to have in the house. So you keep trigger foods out of the house. Doesn't mean you can never eat them. If I go visit you for a party and you have cereal, I'll eat at your house, but it's not in mine because then it's a constant temptation that I have to avoid. If I go to your house once a week, hey, I can eat pretzels, chips once a week. No problem. What are your temptations, Graham? I think I could answer this for you. I don't really have. Trigger foods. Well, that's probably why you're so lean right now. There's nothing that's really struggling. Okay. So my trigger foods, in all seriousness, is when someone brings me food and it's in front of me and it's free or going out to a restaurant and they say, hey, we brought out some free dessert on us. It's like buttery bread. Yeah. I can't say no to it because then I feel like I'm being rude and I eat it. Well, it's because it's free. And I'll have to like actively, not because I want to do this, I know Graham would be happy, I'll just be like, don't eat that, Graham. Like, I'll literally. Jack's great about that like i'll just be like grandma will be like do you think i should eat this and i'll be like nah and like 10 of the time i'll say yeah it's fine but most of the time i'm just like stop eating this it's funny because we me and marie just had this conversation like two hours ago we're at a buffet it's like almost 50 for meal yeah i'm like just pretend it's free but you don't need to eat it all because before in the past once i paid the money for the buffet it's like okay i'm gonna beat the buffet and i would leave holding up my stomach because i'm like no there's room for one more plate now i'm like whatever if i want to eat a buffet later i'll just go again so having a mindset of there's always going to be food like just because it's there in front of you and it's free it doesn't make a difference you can get it later like never think that that you have to eat it now or else that was hard for me with all you could eat sushi because that is my one splurge in vegas and for a while i took that as a challenge to try to like triple the amount that i paid and each piece of nigiri and be like all right i got 60 bucks for like 25 i feel like a winner but i would feel awful the rest of the night yeah winning is not eating until you're full correct that's the that's the change in mindset i stopped eating at a certain point and now i feel better by doing that but that was tough for me to be able to cut that off like it feels so good to be here having gone to an all you can eat buffet and just be chilling and not being like i did a show once like a bodybuilding show and i had all you can eat buffet and i interviewed for tsn it's this tv show and i sat there like this and i was like half asleep eating because i'd eaten myself into a food coma i had no control over buffets the saying was no buffet is safe i would eat i would eat i would eat anyone and so i had to stop and so now i can go to a buffet and eat a normal amount and leave and i couldn't do that until probably the last 15 years and i'm 51 so it was a lot of years of me suffering with like i'm gonna binge i can't stop there's no control you gotta imagine i'm dieting for three or four months for bodybuilding so i'm getting down to five six seven percent body fat suffering every night starved out of my mind doing two hours cardio day to try to not eat and then suddenly the show's over now i get to eat whatever i want and then you go to a buffet it's like there's no stopping you something takes control of your body so i know what it feels like to be fat i know what it feels like to be morbidly obese because i dieted myself sick trying to stay lean for so long and following those shows i just wanted to eat which is why i developed all these like recipes in my cookbook because i knew what it's like to be obese without having been obese i just imagine any person that's overweight like 400 pounds yeah they even diet to 300 they feel exactly like me at five six seven percent body fat and that control that hunger it's it's not pleasant so i don't want anyone to diet themselves down to like single digit body fat it's not worth it but can you do a little bit better like can you get halfway to your goal somewhere's where it's manageable and if you need to take a glp to do that and you're overweight by all means so what's a food that people think is healthy but is really not healthy it depends but i would say peanut butter is one of the most common some people even think nutella is healthy but peanut butter no like not at all healthy could peanut butter be a fine part of a diet though if you're a cardiovascular king like if you're me if you are an iron man triathlete but every single bodybuilder that eats a tablespoon of peanut butter on their diet prep i'm like your coach is just giving you the old cookie cutter program you peanut butter is not it if you're going to eat peanut butter eat the nuts before you take it to peanut butter because when you eat peanuts peanuts like hard peanuts a lot of those calories aren't even digested it comes in it comes out half undigested so about 30 percent of calories you get from a peanut you're not going to digest it you're not even eating so so one thing that i'll do is i get optimum nutrition protein powder and i'll get two scoops of that and i think it's like 120 calories for 24 grams of protein or something like that sounds about right two scoops of that and then i'll do like maybe one tablespoon or a tablespoon and a half of peanut butter why i don't know because it makes it taste good and already the taste the protein and calorie ratio is pretty good so why not put in pb2 or put another scoop of the peanut butter what is pb2 oh pb2 is like uh is that a brand name what's a brand name powdered peanut butter oh yeah i suppose i could do that like there's all those is that just better more of those well what they do is they take the peanut butter and they take all the fat out and add more protein so you're gonna even more protein and less calories yeah you do that that would be way better there's like some of my recipes literally were that like a powdered peanut butter powder protein powder with pb2 when is the last time that you ate peanut butter we had we had peanut butter about a week ago like you have to understand i'm burning off 18 or 1900 calories on a bike ride and i'm like i need calories so like i'm literally eating ice cream cake at my house now like i used to have like i have a cookbook on how to lose weight and now i can barely eat from my own book because the cardio that i'm doing burns so many calories i'm trying not to lose weight do less cardio at that point i'm trying to win bike races i'm a i'm like as much as i was a bodybuilder at one point or a power lifter i'm a cyclist that works out now so i even have an hdlt bike racing team we race every week we're on clubs we have the super advanced guys that want to go to world championships and we have like lower level tiers for like you know beginners and stuff it's my new passion that's what i love to do so yeah i'm not going to stop doing cardio it's what this is my most fun thing i do in a day so what about flipping it around for the people who want to put on muscle and put on some weight what do you recommend eat peanut butter yes a lot more peanut butter only do zone cardio zone two cardio don't do a lot of hit cardio it's going to make it too hard to recover from and i'll obviously focus more on the gym than doing cardio just get in your minimum 150 i think sam sulik does it really well because he's trying to jack jack himself up he's quite lean he also promotes cardio is a great channel great advice for people and he's a lean guy and he's slowly putting on muscle the old sam i didn't like that version where it was like eat this many calories and bulk up too much he does everything right so i would say go follow sam if you want to bulk up because what do you think about the bulk and cut or do you think that someone should just get lean and then just grow themselves from being lean bulking and cutting is only good for people who are bodybuilders who get too lean in the first place so sam sulik's perfect example myself when i was a bodybuilder you shouldn't maintain four or five percent body fat year-round that doesn't make sense so after a show you need to bulk up but for somebody who doesn't compete always keep a roughly the same body fat level within something like three or four percent points of what's best for you and stay there all the time like i've been eight percent to nine percent body fat for the last six years straight that's main gaining maintaining your body fat at a certain range training hard and just hoping to put on muscle so you would advise for me that i should gain for sure you should not bulk at all that's exactly what i was thinking so i was thinking you were correct i was thinking the exact same thing but then my friends are telling me that don't listen to friends unless your friends are kevin stop telling me what to do with my physique kevin's trying to sabotage you well kevin is like naturally the most ectomorph morph person ever is he like a lean guy with a full six pack like under ten percent super do you know who tristan lee is yeah so tristan lee is a guy that can bulk he's always single digit body fat he's been as low as like three point something percent i measured this guy i'm the calipers the leanest guy i've ever measured in my life leaner than pro bodybuilders and he's like yeah i just i'm like why why don't you compete i wouldn't want to have to diet i'm like you've done the diet you're the thing like you're there just step on stage but he didn't want to diet anymore but he was so lean why doesn't tristan lee compete i think that probably in his head he he would have so much pressure to try to win or to look good maybe he wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of like let's say he gets third or fourth or fifth or doesn't do good being as famous as he is from such an early age and and everyone's saying you're the leanest person that's been around i think that would be a lot of pressure to actually compete yeah i think it would be tough on the men on the mind so in terms of bulking i feel like i'm in the same predicament as jack so you shouldn't bulk either you look great right now this is main maintenance so here's the problem is that i feel like i'm not eating enough to be able to put on more muscle you're definitely eating enough to put on more muscle so how do you how do you know that okay after 20 body fat it's going to actually be harder to put on more muscle like your hormones are going to get worse so if you get fatter and fatter and fatter it doesn't make it easier to gain more muscle you just have been tricked into thinking that it's muscle that you put on so if you put on 20 pounds you go on a bulk you know like let's say 3 000 calories a day you you now put on 20 pounds you're now going to be in a more difficult place trying to gain weight just how did it work out but i should be in a but i should be in a little surplus though right like something or no no even okay to put on muscle a pound you need about 2700 calories and so if you divide that out it's like i forget was it 140 calories a day to put on one pound of muscle a month or something like that which is a tremendous amount you can barely even calculate that i think it's 30 calories per day needed to put on four pounds of muscle per year of of like a surplus okay no one can track 30 calories of a plus your your neat like your non-exercise activity thermogenesis is going to vary like maybe i burned 30 extra calories just fidgeting during this this uh interview it's it's too hard to track so there's no point in that so there's no point in tracking calories to that extent i even tell people i don't even think you should track calories you should track your weight you take your weight five to seven days a week we do this with marie as well you you circle the middle number and that's your weight for the week rather than a lot of people do the once a week ridiculous because it could be on a heavy day or light day sure every week you track the median number and if it's going up slowly then you're doing it right if it's going down slowly and you're trying to cut then you're doing that right that's all it takes what if i'm in a calorie deficit slightly but i'm lifting really heavy you'll still put on muscle that's the beauty if you're at a healthy body fat percentage which for men is about 15 percent okay tristan lee is too lean if he's in the deficit he's probably not going to be able to put muscle because he's that lean but if you're at a healthy weight for yourself like 15 for most people if you're in a deficit for a week a month you're still going to put on muscle because the extra like to build muscle you need energy and that energy can come start from the body fat on your body yeah no problem i feel like calories my problem is that i always just get fat right here on my belly that is it and so this doesn't go away unless i get like 10 body you need to get on the turk what's the lift heavier and you need to get on the turk and you will then lift heavier you will go into gym train harder you will progressive overload which is the driver of muscle growth and that that's how it works you don't need to eat more food if you put on five pounds of muscle and stayed the exact same weight you would just be a little bit leaner your body fat percentage probably down by like three percent you'd still be healthy and that's all you need to do i will say the times that i have at the gym with you like i said you're much more consistent but i see you kind of like this episode is brought to you by google chrome you think you know a browser but gemini and chrome that's new it can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had for weeks gemini and chrome is here for it ready to make anything online make sense there's no place like chrome check responses set up required compatibility and availability various 18 plus and then that's it but like when i go to the gym i go less and maybe i'll go like three times a week but i'll be like oh oh and then like you know i'll like fight for the last you're doing those noises jay and i'll go like all the way up and they'll do like a couple half reps just to like squeeze out a few extra thing with muscle is we all have a certain genetic potential to put on a lot of size and once you put on more muscle than your genetic kind of limit it's then so hard to get better like if you had never lifted before and you look like this and a year from now you'd be like holy can't believe how much muscle i put on but if you're consistently training hard to make much difference 80 the muscle you growth is going to occur from just training your whole body twice a week in two days so i lift weights twice a week that's it i have a lot of muscle if i wanted to put on more muscle i would have to probably train three times as much it would be so hard to put a little bit of muscle on so you think the optimal amount of time to hit the gym is twice a week twice a week each muscle group that would be optimal some could argue that maybe three times a week would be optimal but then i think you would have to do a lot less each day but for example you training let's say you went six days a week and you had a three-day split versus my full body and i just do it twice a week i'm going to get 80 of the results that you're going to get with only two days of training versus six so walk me through a twice a week workout so you do your whole body each day about twice a week so every three or four days depending on if i go by soreness if i'm not feeling sore on the third day sure if i am wait till the fourth day so what you do is you're just doing one exercise per muscle group and that's all you need to do so maybe two three sets per muscle so what i do to keep the most amount of uh time efficiency because it's a whole body it's a lot of working out i go from one exercise to another so it's basically circuit training so i'll start with lats i'll just do pull downs all the time so do a set of that then i go and do a chest press and then i go back and do lats and i go back and forth so while my back is resting i'm doing chest and then while my chest is resting i'm doing back and i only need to do two three hard sets of that then i move on to the next one so for example my chest is done okay i'm going to do shoulders now two three hard sets of that now it's done that's done let's do the triceps when you do shoulders what are you doing usually i'll go through an actual calves between i'll do shoulder press and it's all machine so i don't have to worry about like loading up a bar and taking a couple things that i'm curious about one is like the overall cardio requirements of being able to go from workout to workout because sometimes i still rest i would say a full minute between sets especially when it's like a harder set like my first set is like a warm-up set i don't rest i just like whatever it's like i use maybe two-thirds of what i can lift for my main set and so it's easy i'll do like 12 reps and i just walk over and do 12 reps i come back and i put the peg down then i'm like okay this time i'm really gonna push and i start resting a little bit longer but it's only about a minute i would say a full body workout for me an hour and 15 minutes it would be 90 minutes would be like okay i'm i'm lazy today i'm resting a bit longer you're gonna get 80 of the of the results so for most people and when i program people when they first hire me i'm like what are your goals and for most people their goals are they want to look leaner and i'm like okay we need to focus more on cardio and less on weights because you're going to get 80 of the results by training your full body twice a week most people are like i just want to lift weight six times i'm like yeah but you're wanting to lose weight like how are you gonna do that you're only gonna burn like i heard that lifting weights though is a great way to lose the weight it's another myth it's not a great way it's a way but it doesn't burn enough calories i heard that lean muscle mass burns calories faster than fat does fat like if you have 10 pounds of fat on you it'll burn two calories per pound and muscles about eight so it's maybe four times as metabolically active the muscle tissue but what really burns calories is using that muscle so when i do zone cardio zone two i burn 900 calories in an hour so you can imagine i'm just zone two are you familiar with zone two it's like talking yeah it's not really a stress i could do it for like three hours straight no problem so i'm burning 900 calories per hour sitting there and i'm the fastest one on my bike team there's guys that can do like 1200 so imagine you're burning 1000 calories per hour person b is lifting weights they're burning about 200 calories per hour so in one hour the person that does cardio is burning five times more calories than that muscle man so we got guys on our bike team that might weigh 130 140 pounds burning triple the calories of the 200 pound bodybuilder on steroids but is the one lifting the weights keeping and retaining more muscle because they're training the muscle oh absolutely if you lift weights versus you're just doing cardio the person that lifts weights is going to have way more muscle but we we are we talked about this earlier maybe 30 minutes ago and we talked about what should people be going for trying to get bigger or trying to improve their cardio or get leaner the leaner is much better and when people underestimate what cardio can do like when i'm on a bicycle i'm literally lifting weights the entire time like marie will attest to this she's riding a bike she doesn't really train her upper body but when you're on a bike and you're standing up you're going like this the entire time so it's a full body workout anytime there's a hill you're literally doing like a set it's like a workout and so your muscles are being used in a very good way consistently for a full hour you're burning so many more calories then your body gets used to that it adapts and the next time you do that cardio you're a little bit faster and the next time a little bit faster so maybe the day one you're out of shape you're fat you burn 300 calories an hour a year later you're definitely burning 600 you're doubling it easily in a year you're not going to double the amount of calories you're burning in the gym by like just lifting hard i could tell you you give me the strongest bodybuilding in the world i don't care who that is he's not going to burn more calories than i am in zone two on a bike the thing that complicates things for me is feeling like i need to hit every small muscle group like i know people like that's something that people are saying what you need to do like forearm workouts specifically you need to go on that one machine that like like you hunch over and it has the thing behind and you like yeah the back i like that back machine though well yeah you can like it because it's not that hard but like and then you have the abductors and the adductors and it's like well how many things do i need to hit because if i did a full body workout i don't know how much i'm hitting my hip adductors the best way to answer this is to pick muscles that are being worked out like a variety of muscles in one exercise so for example if you're doing a squat you're training hamstrings you're training your quads you're training your glutes all in one exercise versus if you're doing an isolation one arm curl like everything i do it's two arms at the same time so when i do lat pull downs my arms and my back are working and when i do chest press my chest and my triceps are working if you're doing a bend over row or chest supported row biceps and back so by the time i get to biceps you only need like two sets by the time you get to triceps i only need two sets at most so by the time i get to biceps i only need like two sets at most so work on like compound movements that work out the majority of the body and then only do those little things after but like in general if you're see if you're doing what i'm saying you're going to be bike riding you're going to be doing cardio so do you really need to do a lot of legs like if you're if you're training for bike racing like some of the things i do is i sprint on a bike for a minute or 30 seconds it's like it's just as hard as doing a squat i'll argue harder like 30 seconds all out on a bike trying to do a thousand watts for say 30 seconds it's just as hard as doing 10 reps on a squat so you're doing your weightlifting workout with your legs on the bike so i hardly even train my legs i do a little bit of adductors and abductors some calves i don't train quads or hamstrings at all i gave it up what muscles do people not really need to work out the average person not need to work out i mean you need to work out whatever you want to look your best in if it's just for your health the only muscle you need to really work out is your heart everything else is just bonus or icing on the cake like i would argue the heart is more important than every single muscle combined so think you have your heart and your body and you're doing a lot of if you work out your heart everything else is going to be worked with that as well like if you're walking up an incline or something your your legs are getting stronger right but people's neck like should you be working out your neck if you want to look more aesthetic to get a girlfriend a thicker neck is going to increase your desirability you might need that jack so being a bit thicker here yes will help you how do you attract a girl how do you work out your neck well when i was 10 years old we had like ben weeders whatever exercise program this is from a chart from like the 1960s literally we just put our hands on our head and do this put our hands behind our back and do that i remember we had to have a uh like a shirt and you hold it around hold it and we're just doing does that actually work that would work you can push you actually see it you actually build muscle a hundred percent you could easily i think you'd increase your strength by 50 by just using your hand like just do this push and do 10 sets of that you can train your neck absolutely it's hard way harder than you think i remember doing these things when i was 10 i'm like i don't want to do this dad do the exercise the program says to do it we just did the exercises man i got strong some you were 10 years old 10 years old is when i started lifting seriously is that even healthy for a 10 year old i would say absolutely Absolutely. Especially if you like it. I mean, I fell in love with lifting weights with my twin brother and my dad in my basement at 10 years of age. It was such a good time. I was with my friends and you know, you're playing freeze tag stuff and it'd be like, it's seven o'clock. It's time to lift weights. Yeah. Run in the house. Guys, you gotta go home. Couldn't wait to lift weights. It was the best. It's such great memories of lifting weights when I was 10. Like even now, 41 years later. Yeah. Like absolutely great memories. What's a workout you see people doing that's completely pointless? None. There is no pointless. Like some people are going to joke around CrossFit and high rocks. I think they're all great exercise, great sport. Yoga, Pilates, all great. What about the grip strength one? If you want to have a strong grip, like your Magnus, like I met Magnus last month. He actually broke his thumb in an event. Oh my God. But this guy's got millions of followers. It's the strongest grip in the world. This guy's got one of the strongest. He has like records for his weight. He's a mountain climber. He can climb a mountain with one arm. It's insane. So if that's important, do it. What about these? Front, like I don't do that exercise because I've such a strongly developed anterior delt, like from doing so many bench presses, like being a record holder. I did this so much. I didn't need to do this. But if you have weakness in these muscles, then why not? But for most people, the rear delts are underpowered or underdeveloped. Most people do a lot of pushes and they don't do a lot of like this, like to develop the rear delt. And so the posture, like you say, you're in the computer and yeah, all the time. You've got to open up and get the shoulders back. So I think that that exercise is overrated. But for some people, it's beneficial. It all depends on the person's body. But generally speaking, what does the average person not need to worry about? Like what sort of workout? Yeah. Yeah. Abs. Because if your abs, you can train your abs every single day. And if you don't have a low enough body fat level, you're not going to see it. And if you lift weights, you're lifting your abs. Like all you have to do is like pull your abs or have an injury and you'll find it real quick. You can't do a tricep press down. You can't do almost anything. if your abs are sore or if you have an injury. So abs are going to be worked regardless on everything else. So I don't train my abs ever. Not needed. What are your thoughts on taking peptides? I think peptides for many people are great. So long as you're an adult, if you're not a kid, GLPs are peptides. So, I mean, I'm for it. I think that peptides can be great. I think they can be abused. I think that young people shouldn't use them. But overall, with the right advice from the right person and assuming you're getting it from a compounding pharmacy prescribed by a doctor, absolutely. So I tore my hamstring on April 1st of this year, and I'm still going to physical therapy. Well, I just recently started going to physical therapy for it like two weeks ago because it just hadn't gotten better because I would continually like re-tear it when I would play pickleball or go play in my indoor recreational soccer league. And so I started going to PT, but I'm thinking about taking BPC-157 because I've heard a lot of really good things online about how it. It heals injuries very quickly. What are your thoughts on BPC-157? I've used BPC-157 and TB-500 to heal injuries. I believe that it can work. I don't think it works for everyone. I think it can work. Some people are going to say, oh, maybe it's not going to. It's risky. It's clearly risky to have an injury that keeps getting re-injured. So I would say it's worth the effort, worth the try. I would do it. What's the risk? The risk of using it? I don't know. I haven't seen anybody have like a death from it or anything, but it's a research chemical. It's a research peptide. It's not been proven to be safe beyond any reasonable doubt. So there's potentially something out there. I wouldn't know what possibly could happen. What about more chronic pain? Because I told my dad, I think he should look into BPC-157 because he's like a 64-year-old guy, but he goes and plays pickleball and his feet are all sore the next day and he can get injured here and there. And I said, hey, I think you should look into these like healing compounds. Do you think it makes more sense for people that could have more chronic things as well or not really? Definitely. I believe in BPC-157, despite the fact that it's not a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's not really FDA approved. In some countries you can't sell it. It's kind of on the fence. It's not really natty. Like if you use it, it's banned by WADA, World Anti-Doping Agency. So if you're in the Olympics and drug tested and all this stuff, you got to be careful. But hey, if I'm injured, I'm using it. And what about stem cells? We were speaking with- I did the stem cells. Ronnie Coleman and he actually went down to Mexico. Went to Mexico. To do stem cells. When did you use stem cells and what did you see? By the way, there's a lot to keep track of in this conversation. We're talking different treatments. Claims, studies, and making sense of all that information is one of the ways we've been using our partner, Claude. Even preparing for this episode, researching topics, and saving the ice coffee hour real time and money with our systems and processes, Claude has been incredibly useful. Claude is the AI for problem solvers. It's the collaborator that understands your entire workflow and thinks with you, not for you. 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That is claude.ai slash icedcoffee, and check out Claude Pro, which includes access to all of the features mentioned in today's episode. That is claude.ai slash icedcoffee. When did you use stem cells, and what did you see? It was less than a year ago. In like three of my really, really close friends, we all went. I had injections in my shoulder and my hip because I had a hip surgery many years ago. And we also did it for the hair. Like I've had two hair transplants. I had a lot of hair transplants. Were they excessively expensive? Like I think my friends got it for like half price, maybe like $15,000 or something. Oh, wow. So it's not cheap, but it's something for like, I would say for people that are more well off. But if you're in an NFL or something and you can get away with it, I mean, yeah. And where do they get it exactly? Like, did you ask any questions of like, how did you get this? Remember they brought it out and it was in this sealed box in the sea and he's like, show, see, this is approval. We have to open it in front of you. It's like the Wagyu where they show you like the certificate. Yeah. It's like, look at this. This is, you know. Honestly, I mean, you have to have a leap of faith here and trust it. Like, I can't guarantee I didn't see the placenta that it came from. How do they get the placenta? Is that just donated or are we hoping it's. You don't ask the questions. I don't know. You don't want me to answer it. Honestly, I don't know. I'm assuming that it's all 100% legal above board. These guys were advertising on Instagram and whatnot. What do you think about Claviculum and his looks maxing? Do you think that looks maxing could have a positive impact on people? And do you agree with the sentiment that maybe it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to like bodybuild to the max to get super jacked in the gym and instead focus more so on your face with the halo effect and how that can improve your life? I think looks maxing when done appropriately and keeping somebody's age in mind is a great thing. I think we should all looks max. People call it about hard looks maxing versus soft. I think soft looks maxing is good versus hard. I don't think people should be smashing their faces. I don't think people should be using testosterone at the age of 14. I don't think you should be promoting looks maxing is the most important thing to teenagers or kids going through puberty who don't have any sense of self or self worth and trying to tell them you have to look a certain way. I think it's bad. And so I think Claviculum overall is a horrible influence on the world. He's extremely popular. And I think that the people that look up to Claviculum are all people who are messed up and they're probably 13 to 16 years of age. What do you think is the result of people following people like him? I think they have less self-worth, less confidence. And I think that they think that the world only matters if you look good. And so if you tried to ascend and you tried to do all the things and it didn't work, then what? What do you do then? But if you tell them, hey, work on yourself, work on your personality, maybe progressive overload with women, talk to a girl who's a one, you're too shy, talk to a one. She's not intimidating. Work your way up to a two, three, four. That to me would be better advice than saying you have to smash your face and get a nose job and a chin implant and jaw surgery and limb lengthening and all this stuff. And if you don't have a Chad face, then you're screwed. It's not good. Speaking of a one, one thing that I did really recently that I thought was fascinating was you could just upload a picture of your face to all of the different Chachapati, Grok, Claude, et cetera. Ask it what it rates you out of 10. Have you ever done that? I did what's, see, I'm old school. I'm older than you guys. We had something called Hot or Not when I grew up. And so there was even a TV show. And so when I first, I was in a small town of Yarmouth, there weren't many girls. I basically was like, I'm 22. I had to wait till girls turned 18, 19 at this point to start dating. It's a very small town. So I went to the internet for dating. So I joined Hot or Not and I would upload all my best model type photos where I'm like very lean and it's black. All the different things. And I would get really good ratings. So it was good for me. But if you aren't at least an eight, it's useless. there's no point. So I've done all those things. Women on average, like a small waist and wider shoulders. And they're going to look at the, the beach bod muscles more than anything. Um, they're not going to be looking at your legs so much. They definitely notice your glutes without question. The most underrated muscle that men don't work on is by far the ass by, by far, every guy works out for themselves. They think they're training to impress girls. They're trying to impress boys and themselves. Men will go into the gym and we'll do curls all day long and bench presses and so on, but they won't do some hip thrusts, which is what the girls are looking at. Like girls will look at guys playing football. The women are watching football. That's the only thing they care about. They're looking at these asses bent over, throwing the football around. So you got to work your glutes. That, that is a must for, for the men. Men don't work their legs because you can wear pants and they don't need to see that. Or look at the men's Olympia here and they're in board shorts. Like literally the, the best attractive men in the world and you're covering up their legs. Like that doesn't make any sense. So men know that abs is going to help. And so they'll go on a diet and they'll work their abs, but they can still cover their legs up. So men still don't have legs, but I would say that my legs are probably my best body part and I don't even train them, but I do the bike ride, which is technically training them. And so I think if you want to stand out as a man, um, the wide shoulders, small waist, so lean enough and having still an ass, which is still going to be hard. Cause if you're very lean, just like women, you're going to lose the glutes. So just like as a man, if you're very low body fat, your butt's going to be a lot smaller. I would say that absent of a butt. Yes, but only, but only because on Reddit, that exact question was asked and most women said forearms and that women are liars. Remember the last time I came on here, we said that we don't ask women what they think you tell them what to think. Women do not care about the forums. This is not a thing. Okay. That was like the number one thing of like what women look for. They also wrote on Reddit about their hands. There was two hands that said, which hands you like. And it's like, yeah, the thicker hand was better, but they had all these guys doing hand workouts to try to impress. I'm like, I don't know, look, spend less time of that and get a job and have some money. One thing I'm seeing a whole lot more recently is on the apps. Girls talk about biceps and I've seen it on like Instagram reels of like girls grabbing guys, biceps. They do like a big arm. Definitely. I, I knew that this was a thing like a long time ago when I wasn't like, you know, middle school and high school. And then I completely forgot it as a thing. And I thought they kind of just liked, you know, abs or whatever. And then all of a sudden I feel like it becomes all of the rage once again is like big biceps on a guy. The thing is the impressiveness of an arm is so low standard. Like it's so much easier to get a nicer, impressive bicep than a glute. Like my arm is two inches bigger than it needs to be, to be impressive. Like you don't need 17 inch arms to have a decent body. It's like, just have a little bit of bicep. You guys know zero. He's got like 20 million followers. You ever seen him flex his bicep? Yeah. He's got it. He's got the arms. He's only about 155 pounds. He's not a big guy. He does a little bicep shot and it's like, Whoa, impressive. You don't need like will tennis and arms to have a good, a good impressive arm. Is it a good thing to be so conscious about the way that you look? I don't think it's a good thing to be overly conscious. And I think I'm definitely over the line of consciousness for that. And I think it's because of my involvement in bodybuilding, which is why I warn a lot of people. I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm be careful of bodybuilding, even though it did great things for me. It also did some bad things. I abused steroids for 10 years. I regret that. I, it took, I took it as far as I could. Natural. I did 42 shows, a hundred percent natural. I did the best I could, but eventually I was tempted to use steroids because I wanted to get that IPB pro card. So anyone that gets into bodybuilding does good. Eventually they're going to be like, I want to use steroids. And I see all these amazing physiques. They're natural. They're 16, 17, 18, and boom, they're on steroids. Why? Because they want to bodybuild. And so bodybuilding, it can play mind tricks. It can make you think you're too small. And so when I was younger, I always thought it was fat because I would do a bodybuilding show and then I would gain 20 pounds after still, I'm still pretty lean for a normal guy, but I'm like comparing myself to that day on stage with the tan and the oil. And I'm like, oh man, I feel kind of fat compared to that. And so it can cause body dysmorphia. So you don't like the way you look. You're always thinking about it. And so I really caution people, be careful if you get into bodybuilding because it is a tough sport. And I say that from my own experience, I wish that people would realize that growing up is realizing coach Greg was right all along. I mean, guys, I'm 51. I've done the things I've done the shows. I know what it's like. I was in your shoes at one point. And so when I tell you, like, it's a scary sport, it's a scary sport. Number one is to lose weight for sure. There's no, there's no, there's nothing more important than that. They need to get a nice haircut. They need to, to like, to groom themselves, like grooming completely. They need to dress nice, including like shirt pants, like all the way down to even. In shoes. I didn't realize this when I was younger, I used to just wear a tank top and sneakers all the time. So that's three. And then, uh, having more muscle, like putting on muscle. I think that comes like after all of these. And then the fifth one ascending, man, I would say probably getting your teeth fixed in white, like straightening your teeth and having white teeth. I think teeth is, is a huge thing for, for people. Like you notice it right away. If somebody has a nice smile. And what do you do if they're short and what do you do if they're broke? If you're short, make sure you're not bald. And fat. And if you're broke, make sure you're not bald and fat. You think, you know, a browser, but Gemini and Chrome that's new. 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So less bedroom performance. But what if I started taking finasteride and Cialis? That could counter, but rather than taking finasteride, I would use Ferulamax, which are company sells htlt ferula i'm taking it right now you just take one pill every three or four days it's going to have the same effects of the uh the finasteride in terms of keeping more of your hair so that's one of the huge side benefits of this product ferula is something that boosts testosterone so finasteride stops production of dht right that's the thing though like i have a lot of body hair and so i don't want and body hair comes from production of dht and then hairline up top recedes because of production of dht so it seems like the exact perfect thing for me would be dht inhibitors i would take dutasteride if i had to recommend something over finasteride finasteride there's the sexual side effects like the potential to like not be able to have an erection but also not have the same what if i just took it if i had that problem if you take cialis it doesn't make you want sex more it just makes you ability to perform it if you're in the mood easier but it doesn't increase that desire. We're not talking about like oxytocin or something where it's like- Right. But that's still a small percentage of people that have that side effect with finasteride. I've had two of my friends have that effect, including me. So I don't know if it's under reported, but I mean, from the sample size that I've had, it's not really worth it. You don't think it would be worth it just to try it out? And if I noticed that, then I just- Yeah, I was telling, try it. I've been on finasteride for seven years now. And what dose? Half a milligram or one? one milligram a day. And I was really worried about the side effects. And I was like very cognizant about everything. And I was in my head, I think the first month, because I heard horror stories online. Even the thought of it could trigger. Yeah. And I was aware of that. And at the end of the day, I was exactly the same. I noticed zero difference whatsoever. Low before, low after. If anything, I would lower your dose to every other day instead of every day. I think that would be more beneficial. I don't think you need to do as much as that. To me, that's a high dose i think that you would get as many benefits as you're getting or at least 80 with half the dose and so why even if i've been on it for seven years now i would still yeah i would still lower it see i like the idea well that's but you're not experiencing any side effects so like what like i would like to start taking it because my hair is totally fine right now but i just know over the course of the next 20 years it's going to continually slowly slowly slowly recede and as claviculum says if you lose your hair you lose everything you lose a lot you don't lose everything yeah well he said what does he say like if you you lose the game if you lose your hair or something like that like if you don't have your hair you i think in a video he said he'd rather chop off his and lose his hair and i'm like well if you chop off your and you have hair are you gonna what are you gonna you're not gonna be able to do anything anyway so at least does it matter i feel like it only matters if you don't have a good like shaved head law joe rogan looks amazing yeah shave your head and you own it you can look great like the rock looks great certain people um no problem but if you're losing your hair it's just you're automatically less attractive you know it's funny there's this ai picture of logan paul without any hair he looks really good without the hair like really good and i feel like if you just had that look you're have that look you're Like it looks better than having hair in a, in a weird way. Like there's an intimidation of just like, it's a powerful thing to not have hair. Jason stays them. I think this is another guy. It's like some, some guys can really pull it off, but not everyone can. What are your thoughts on the modern dating scene? What do you think women are getting right and wrong? And what do you think men are getting right and wrong? The modern dating scene is a mess. Online dating is, is, is done. It's over. It's okay for hooking up if you're at least an eight out of 10 or higher. The women who are on there, because there's so much less women on there are being able to hook up with the guys who are eight, nines and tens, even if they're sixes, but for one night. And so then the women, because they've had that guy one time think, well, that's what I deserve. So then they think they're more attractive than they are. So anyone that's on online dating, you're ruined. And so what you need to do is go out and meet people in person. Like online dating, isn't going to cut it. You need to meet people in person. How did you and Marie meet? She messaged me. And so, yeah, she, she sent me a DM. She messaged me. It's not online dating. You guys met. It's online. I would say the biggest problem. What's that? I was a follower. Like I was watching him like every single day for three years. So I, I knew who I was meeting. What women need to do to solve the problem is they stop. They need to stop making men chase them. Women need to say, I like this guy. I'm going to go after him because that would solve everything because women are the, I don't know, the gateway to sex or whatever the word is, the, the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of, let's say relationships or marriage. And so. The women need to go and chase the men that they want, because they're the ones that are the gatekeepers. Men are just chasing all these girls half the time. You don't know if they actually like you or not. They're just trying to get laid. And so the women don't know what to do. Should I have sex with this man? I want to be with them. And then they have sex and then the guy dumps them. And it's like, it's just a big game. So there's problems there, but if women go after the guys that they want, life would be all life problems would be solved. This is it. It's all that women have to do is just start to make the first move, chase the guys that they want. And how much should a man financially support the girl that he's dating? For example. In your relationship. She already makes a lot of money. She said she makes over half a million dollars a year. Like, what do you, how do you know what you're supposed to pay for and what she's supposed to pay for? I think you should pay for as much as you can as a guy. So it's a guy's job to pay for everything. I think that in general, that's what women want. And I think that the ones that say that they don't are lying. And I think that women want a guy to provide and it makes them feel safe and comfortable and it's attractive. And so I think you should pay as much as you can. If you can't afford it, then don't like if you're poor, you're, you're, you're working the best you can. You don't have money. You're going to have to go for a girl that doesn't want that or need that. If you're with a girl that needs more money, pay as much as you can do the things that you need to do. Just make sure that the only reason they're with you isn't for your money. If they're with you for other things. And Hey, the money's a bonus. What's your advice to Jack to do for dating? Do you think like, what would you rate me out of 10 on what scale? A clavicular scale or like my scale? Your scale. I would say eight on 10. Okay. I'll take it. Cause then that means I meet the threat. Oh yeah. Successful in dating apps. You're also famous. Probably give me like a four. Yeah. His scales is horrible. I mean, I, he would say you're probably six or something like that. Like, which is still probably pretty good on his scale. So for dating, you would recommend that I go out to. You need to meet people in the real world. And I think that the best way is to meet people that you like. Now, unfortunately you like pickleball, which is the same thing that I like, but most women who I've seen play pickleball are 60. So you're going to have a hard time meeting some hot girls. But like, if you were at my age. In Halifax, you'd see like, oh, these are hot girls playing pickleball. Like we had the Zaddy cup at my house not too long ago. So like we're big on pickleball. We had tournaments and we have channel every year. We have a pickleball tournament for my birthday. We're all into pickleball and these are good looking people. So you, you do the events that other people like. So if you're into pickleball, I would go to pickleball and I would start talking to girls who are playing pickleball. You have the same interest. If you like basketball, go do that. If you're into, I don't know, curling, whatever it might be. Go and do the activities. That they're doing. And eventually you start talking and then you can start dating these people that have similar interests. See, my strategy has been, I scroll Instagram. I see someone who looks interesting, send her to Jack. And then I hope he reaches out. Like my feed right now, because I've been sending Jack so many messages. It's all women playing the piano for some reason. And artists. Look at this. They're all potential wives for Jack. So like, so you're just, you're finding these. Girls who are playing the piano and sending them to him and saying, go talk, talk to her. Yeah. It's usually a DM them. So here is the current meta. You're famous enough where that actually couldn't work, but this is not normal advice for like the people watching it. And we're talking about Jack right now. For you, you could just message a bunch of girls that you think are hot and just be like, Hey, I think you're hot. We should go on a date. That would work. I have not tried that yet. You should. That might be a little too forward. Yeah. I don't know. For me, what I like, I'll typically just like have a random message that I'll send off to them. And it works. Sometimes. But the problem is a girl that has what I've noticed, like over 10,000 followers on Instagram, 85% of them are going to be guys. And then of that 85%, there's probably going to be like 10% of them. Right. So like 85 dudes that are gonna be like really, really, really good. Right. Like they're either making a lot of money or doing really cool things or they're super attractive or like they're all players around cool people. Exactly. And they have, they have game cause they practice it. And so like, it's really hard to find girls on Instagram. But girls on Instagram are generally very attractive. And so it's like, okay, well they meet the first threshold and it's easier. Obviously, if you're like sitting on your couch and you're like sending out Hail Marys, then I'm trying to filter them and get the ones with talent. You know, if I see they're a great piano player, they're a great artist. I'm trying to come up with, with people who actually have some substance because there's a lot of them that just post these pictures and then I send them off to Jack and I'm like, yeah, they're probably getting too much attention versus this, uh, you know, they're playing the Moonlight Sonata. Really? Really nice. See, that's the problem. All these girls that you're talking to, if they're good looking enough that you're interested, then there's probably a bunch of attractive guys that are also interested, but they're not all going to be the ones that are going to be good for them. They might be the ones that have a yacht and will say, I'll pay this much to come to Dubai and hang out with me. There's a, this is just a horrible thing on the internet is that the whole world is able to date these people so that everyone thinks that their guy is two levels up from them. So most eight out of 10 women try to get 10, six out of 10s try to get eights. It's, it's, it's, no one wants to date where they're at. They're all dating. They're all dating above. So it's a huge problem. So all you can do is just ask a bunch of them out. I'd call it the shotgun effect. Yeah. 10. Yeah. Say, Hey, I think you're really cute. I like that you play the piano. I'm not going to beat around the bush. I think we should go out tonight. I'd like to do this and just take her out to something simple. Don't spend a lot of money on the first date because you want to eliminate the girls that are only using you for your money and do something fun. Walk in the park, go for coffee, chat, whatever, whatever it is that's simple that you like. And then chat and see if you have anything in common. And then get a more serious date after that. And you can start spending money on day two if you want, but not on date one. So Kevin, what Greg was saying is that I should get lean and then start building muscle from being lean as opposed to right now, trying to like bulk and get more muscle and then cut and be lean. You recommended the latter. He just said the former is better. What do you have to say about that? Uh, I mean, I think you would look better lean, but you told me your goals were what building muscle. You can do both. You can. Stay lean and put muscle on at the same time. Oh, there you go. All right. You can have your cake and eat it too. I'm right and you're wrong. All right. Now the real reason why we brought Kevin here, aside from vindicating me, is you're going to rate Kevin's physique. Okay. All right. Go ahead, Kev. We got to see his abs. This is. Kevin, you really bulked up, dude. Let's go. All right. Take off your shirt. All right. I remember. I remember you like a yeet. Holy. Oh, yeah. Great physique. When did that happen? When did this happen? It's a 9.5 out of 10. Are you kidding me? It's great physique. He's got a small waist. He's got abs. He's not even flexing. He's got wider shoulders. He's got a vein coming down his arms. Turn around from the, let's see the back here. Oh, yeah. Nine and a half out of 10. This is a physique. This is, you don't need any more muscle to attract girls. You're set where you're at, right? Yeah, absolutely. Can we cut this actually? He's been working out. He's like, this sucks for me. He's been working out for like three months. Yeah. It's genetics. What are you, what are you, are you taking anything? Uh, yeah, I'm on, um, I'm on like 600 milligrams of TRT. I'm just kidding. Uh, no, I've been working out consistently for like three months, but like I was, no, no, but I was, I was, I started working out like when I was 16 and it's like, I've been on and off with the workouts. And then I recently picked it back up three months ago. Okay. So you got muscle memory used to work out and you're just back into it. It's like three months of working out. This is already there. That's insane. Imagine with three years, if you hadn't trained, but yeah, you don't need to train like guys think. I think they need like so much muscle to look good. It's ridiculous. Most girls will say, if you have more muscle, it's actually a bad thing. Yeah. The frame. Bruce Lee thing going on, you know, why do you see Tristan Lee, Bruce Lee? Yeah. It's got the leads. You're only comparing him with less muscle. It's a physique like Hussein Farhat with less muscle, but Hussein is like quite big upper body. Yeah. Remember what I said earlier, what guys need the wide, uh, wide shoulders and a small waist. It's like, this is the most important. You probably work on his glutes. I'm sure we don't see the legs or anything. But like, yeah. Like, and he's in pants. You don't need to show the legs. See what I mean? Guys can get away with it. They don't need to show their legs off. All right. Well, Kevin, thank you. I have a question for Greg. If you don't mind. Yeah. Uh, like speaking of the mind. Okay. Yeah. Uh, based on my physique, like what muscle group do you think I should focus on? Glutes, but I don't see them, but like, yeah. Like upper body. No, show me glutes. No, no, no. Right on the camera. This will be for members. For, for like bodybuilding purposes. Yeah. Shoulders. The side delts. Cause if you got even wider, it's just going to make the frame look even more ridiculous. Yeah. That's what Claude told me. So. Wow, really? Greg is right on with Claude. Definitely. All right, sweet. I appreciate you guys. All right, yeah, thanks, Kev. Yeah, so, I mean, he could afford to bulk because he's so lean right now. Yeah. But, like, if you had 10 more pounds of fat on, I would be like, why would you bulk? That would be stupid. Greg, you know what would crush? If you could come out with an AI, something or other that tells you what you need to work on. Yeah, that would be. Well, we have it. Me and Eric Janicki, the Sculpted app, it drops October 1st. It literally has, like, we fed in, like, 200 bodies and I gave the body fat analysis, trained AI to treat, to teach, how to do a body fat assessment. It analyzes your physique from the back, takes whatever, a lot of, several minutes. Yeah. And then it shoots out which body fat, or, sorry, which muscles you need to work out. So, your biceps are a little bit too small and it designs a workout catered to developing that physique so that you have the ideal physique. Literally, that's in that app. So, the third claim is that most men who take steroids would have been better off never touching them. Yes. People, definitely, because most people who take steroids are not doing so with the advice of a doctor. If it's a doctor that's telling you to take them and prescribing them or you're low on testosterone, then absolutely, you're better off with them. But most people are taking them and then when they take them, they're taking too high of a dose and it's shortening their life. And when they get older, then they'll regret it. By then, it's too late. Do you worry it's becoming too normalized? It's, of course. I'm not worried that it is. I know that it is. It's way too normalized. It's gotten crazy. Like, 16-year-olds are doing steroids now and bragging about it at this point. It's insane. What's the outcome of something like that? Well, people are going to continue to use them even more. Every person that uses it has a fan a couple years younger and so it trickles down to younger and younger people using steroids. And then what we're going to see is in the future, more and more people are going to die. All these side effects are going to come through and we're going to see people dying younger and younger and younger. Now, you've previously said that people should be transparent about using steroids. And that's almost a form of harm reduction if people are open about it. But do you feel like people being open about it is also, like, advertising it? Definitely. That's the negative part about it. So, the positive about me saying, hey, I've used steroids, I've done this, is so that they don't think that they can get the same physique without steroids. It doesn't put unrealistic expectations, but it also allows people to know more about it. But it's the same thing like anything. Like, when we were kids, they would say, oh, don't teach these people about sex because then they'll want to do it. Or it's the same thing like drugs. Oh, if you'd start telling people that this is a drug, this is what exists in the world, there's going to be more people who want to do it. But I always think that, like, honesty is the best policy. And admitting things that's going on. And so, you're better off admitting the truth than just to hide it from people and then to have them find out on their own. Do you think people have taken steroids because of your videos? Definitely. A hundred percent for sure. But I think there's more people that have stopped or not taken it than who have started because of me. And so, if there's 5,000 that took it because of me and said, I want to be the next Greg or I want to do it because of what he's done, then there's probably 10,000 that stopped because of what I've done. So, I think there's a net positive. But there's certainly some people that have had, that because of my videos, it's done bad things for sure. What would you tell your 16-year-old son if he says to you that I want to look exactly like you did? I would say how bad of an idea that is. It's like, it's not good that there's too much pressure. I would explain how hard it was to bodybuild, how much low energy I had, the feelings I had, the pressure that I had. And I'd say it isn't worth it. I would probably try, I'd try to steer my own kids if I had one to do a different sport. I'd say, can we not try maybe running or basketball or pickleball? There's so many other sports that we could do aside from bodybuilding. Bodybuilding, one of the worst sports you could do in the world. So, I wouldn't, if I had a kid, be like happy that they want to follow my footsteps and do the same sport. What about people taking TRT? How many actually need it versus how many people are just taking it because they want to get more muscle and have more energy? If I had to put a percentage, I would say at least 90% of people on TRT don't need it. Just an excuse to go on a cycle. At least 90%. What's the harm if they start taking TRT? The harm is that once you start getting used to it and you like it, you're going to do more. So, it's kind of like, let's say, It's like Adderall. Yeah. Everything that's bad that we could list, gambling, drugs, anything, it's the worries that they're going to do more. And so, most people's TRT is not TRT. It's like, it's a small cycle. Like, even my dose at 140, for most people, it's way too high. Most people would, they need 100 or less. But most people doing TRT are doing 200 or 250, which is way too much. It's ridiculous. What's the worst part about it? And what's the worst thing that you've seen? The worst part about bodybuilding is the pressure to use drugs and the encouragement to do it. It's not just like, you can use it. It's like, why aren't you using it yet? Like, you have to imagine, I was natural 42 shows and everyone's like, you're natural and you look like that. Why aren't you on drugs yet? What are you waiting for? And so, it's kind of like, I should take steroids. Like, you're encouraged. You're like, hold it into doing this. They're like, why aren't you on drugs? Versus other sports, let's say you're doing the 100 meter dash. It'd be like, you would be thinking, well, maybe I should cheat and use steroids to like win. But in bodybuilding, it's not cheating. It's expected. What percentage of guys who use testosterone are doing it actually for performance as opposed to replacement? Well, the majority of people using steroids are using it for cosmetics and not for performance. Most people on steroids is to look better. It's certainly for the aesthetics and not performance. So, it's not mostly by athletes. So, we all picture the bodybuilder competing. It's almost none of those people. It's such a small percentage of people using steroids. It's almost always guys who want to look better with their shirts off in the summer. Have fitness influencers made people less healthy or more healthy? I think that overall more healthy because I think most fitness influencers are not encouraging steroid use. They're actually healthy people. But just that maybe some of the people that come to mind are guys like, guys who are on steroids or competing. I mean, the Mr. Olympia. But most fitness influencers aren't bodybuilders. We just maybe think of it that way. Eric English. He's 16. So, his audience is all, I'm going to say 12 to 16 years of age. And so, knowing that he's on steroids, knowing that he's promoted peptides, so much so that Instagram had to ban him and he's still on TikTok and he's still promoting these horrible videos and he's still trying to put on more size. It's horrible because his influence is so big. It's because he's such a famous guy and he's so young. And I think when he gets older, he's going to regret what he's doing. But the way I see it is it's almost not his fault because he's so young. It's basically like he was almost groomed to be like this. What do his parents think about this? He only has his dad left. His mother passed away from cancer maybe a couple of years ago. He became so famous as like an 11-year-old, like a really young kid with such a great message, him and his sister. But you get into the fitness industry. I think he's sponsored by like, Young LA or whatever it is. And it's like all the people, almost not all, a lot of those athletes are also on steroids. So you meet your peers and they're on steroids and they're a little bit older and then you're tempted to do the same thing. And then you do it. And then your followers are younger than you and you see him doing it and then they do it. And it keeps trickling down younger and younger and younger. Before you know it, we're going to see 12-year-olds on steroids. Do you think it's body dysmorphia at that point or do you think it's more just peer pressure? I actually, I don't think it's body dysmorphia at that point. Like he's not, not that he's competing. I think it's that, it's the dopamine, the addiction. The bigger you get, the more compliments you get. Every time you add 10 pounds in your bench press, every time you add another pound of muscle, every photo that you post where you're doing the bicep and you're getting a thousand likes, a million likes, the comments, you're going to be a pro. And it's so addictive. Like how do you tell a kid to stop wanting that? You can't. So there's social media is ruining it for everyone. So what do you think are the long-term consequences of Eric English's usage? There are millions of teenagers right now being shown somebody who's extremely successful because of using steroids and they're going to think, why wouldn't I do the same thing? But in his own personal life, what do you think is going to happen to his health? Well, he posted three, four days ago, I have sleep apnea. I just recorded a video on Eric. It's posted right now. It says Eric English is going to die. So what is going to happen? He's literally going to die. Like literally. What's causing the sleep apnea? When you put on much more muscle and your neck gets thicker and you have more muscle, there's more pressure on your throat and you can't breathe is probably. So during the night, you're literally suffocating and that's taking years off of your life. It's really, really bad. So during the night, you wouldn't be able to breathe. So you're basically like waking yourself up multiple times a night without being able to breathe. That's just like early on and that's going to continue to progress and it's going to spread throughout the body, different problems, kidney, liver, heart. Horrible. At his current rate, how long do you think he has to live? I think if he continues to abuse steroids like this, he'll be in his mid-20s. It's bad. Really bad. Imagine sleep apnea at 16. He's already, he put on 80 pounds of muscle in like a year or two and he's bench pressing 405 at 16. Like I trained, I was mid-20s before I could do that. Do you think he's now suffered permanent damage for the rest of his life or do you think if he stopped everything tomorrow that he'd be fine? There's a chance that it's not permanent but probably there is. To the same extent, I'm sure that I had permanent damage that I'm not aware of that's happened. So for example, left ventricular hypertrophy, so enlargement of the heart, it's getting bigger and even though I'm off steroids right now, there's probably damage that's there that I'm not aware of that you won't see and so let's say I live to be 80. I probably would have lived to be 85, 90. You just don't know. So hopefully he stops sooner rather than later and just like anything, if you're smoking cigarettes for 10 years, well, if you stop, you're going to live longer than you can do the one more year? Is it safe to quit steroids, cold turkey. It's safer than continuing. It isn't really safe because when you're on steroids, you're going to have a whole lot of testosterone, but then your body isn't producing it anymore. Your balls are basically on vacation. It's going to take a long time to wake them up. So you'll have a period of time, probably six months, maybe a year, because he's young, probably closer to six months, where he's going to have extremely low levels of testosterone. So when I cut out testosterone after abusing it for 10 years, my testosterone levels wasn't being produced. So I went to the doctor, testosterone levels in the toilet, 47 nanograms per deciliter roughly, sent me to an endocrinologist, a specialist in hormones, who did not want to prescribe testosterone or steroids or whatever for me. But he's like, you not having TRT is worse than you having TRT. And I made an oath to do no harm. And I know that if I don't prescribe this, you will have worse health than if you do this, because your body is not producing testosterone, which is bad for your heart and all these things. So not just. Not just your heart, your mentality, everything. So yeah, it's bad, but it'll bounce back. But I mean, if he really should stop, he should probably be taking something like enclomophene or something to get him to bounce back, HCG, these different things. Have your thoughts changed on Togi? Togi's a lot better now. Well, Togi used to be the worst influencer, but since that time, he went from promoting steroids and using recreational drugs all the time to basically donating half his money to charities and not doing drugs and finding God. So he's basically done every good thing you could imagine, except he still promotes gambling. So that's the only bad thing. I would say only, but it's pretty bad. But I can understand why he would. He loves doing it. It would be like me promoting bodybuilding when I was a bodybuilder. It's like, you love it so much, you want other people to share your passion. But that passion is horrible. Do you feel like you had any part in that change? I would think so. You making videos and calling them out and. I'd like to think so. And I mean, he said in some videos, hey, I want to get my blood work, better than coach Greg, or Greg's going to look at my blood. So maybe he's thinking like, geez, if I keep doing these things, my blood work is going to keep getting bad. Or maybe if I stop, it will get better. So I would like to think that I've made a difference. What's your advice to him today? Keep doing what he's doing and stop gambling. So we have pictures of different physiques, and then you're going to answer questions about these physiques. Can someone achieve this physique naturally? Yeah, many people can. Probably. 25% of people could get that physique naturally. Can the average person achieve this naturally, though? Without extreme suffering and having a shitty life? Definitely not. Like, in other words, if you're an average person and you use a GLP and you train hard for 10 years and you dedicate yourself six days a week and you do your cardio, I would say a lot of people could achieve this physique, but they would hate their lives looking like that. They would like the compliments, but it's not worth it. I think that's way too lean for somebody to try to make that to maintain. It's not healthy to be that lean. And so that's, like, to me, not a type of physique that somebody should be aspiring to get to. It's too hard, although it's not impossible to get. What's the hardest part about this? The leanness, being that lean. Like, he probably suffered to get like that. So yeah, very hard to get. Yeah, what about something like this? What's his name again? Cristiano Ronaldo. A Photoshop version of Cristianado is way harder to get than Brad Pitt. What did I say? Cristianado. I can't pronounce this guy's name. This is tough. This is way harder to get than Brad Pitt, for sure. And this is like, he doesn't even look like this. So how long would it take someone that's starting from average to look like this? I would say 10% of people could get like this, maybe, and it would probably take five to 10 years of training. What about Kevin? And they would suffer like crazy. How long would it take Kevin to look like this? How long could Kevin take to look like this? It would be different. I think Kevin could surpass this look in five years. Really? Yeah. See, with Cristianado, the problem is his waistline is a bit thicker, but his conditioning is really good, but he has a much better aesthetic physique. So he could look better than this. What about Jack? Could Jack look like that? I don't think you could look like this. Could I look like that? No. With steroids? For sure. Like, absolutely both. What would it take for me to look like that without steroids? Better genetics. Let's just say, but let's just say, I want to look like that. I said, I want to dedicate. Do you know how many people hire me that say these kind of things? They'll be like, Greg, I want to look like you. I'm like, well, I want to look like me, but I have great genetics. I'm not going to look like you. I feel like I have a chance if I said, hey, all I want to do for the next five years is dedicate my life to looking like that. At the end of the five years, I want to look like that. I'll eat whatever you say. I'll do whatever work naturally. I think you could look like your own version of what you would look like, but it would be different than this. Yeah. It's just. It's a different look. It's like you could look for you amazing, but it would be a different look than this. You could get that body fat percentage in two months easily, but you wouldn't have the size. So you would need to train for a long time to get that. And remember, we're looking at a Photoshopped version of Rinaldo, who's one of the best athletes in the world. What about this? No, he can't even look like this without steroids. What's this guy's name? He's that creed guy, the fighter, Michael B. Jordan. So Michael B. Jordan is not Natty. So he's using steroids to look like this. And so to look like this, you would also need steroids. Now, what percentage could do this natural one in a thousand guys could probably achieve this look natural. Like, I think I had probably a better bill than this when I was natural, but I also had great genetics. I trained my whole life for it. And you know, a hundred percent, he's not Natty. No, nothing's a hundred percent, but I would bet a lot of money that I would, what are the giveaways? The size and the fact that, see, I, I know his transformation more. I won't, I know how much muscle he put on a certain figure. In a certain period of time. So just looking at that physique, I can't tell if he's natural or not. It's how fast somebody puts muscle on in a short period of time. And when you say, oh, I put on 20 pounds of muscle in four to six months, it's like, what do you mean? Especially if you haven't like, if you average five pounds of muscle a year and suddenly you put on 20, well that year you did something, but just having a physique like that doesn't mean you don't. Now, what about this? Surely I could get that. Uh, still, no, no, still, still, no. Why? These are some of the best. Physiques in the, in the world, in, in the movie, uh, entertainment, like you got to imagine this guy is famous, not just because of his acting skills, but because of his physique. So we're thinking about all the people that would want to be in his shoes. There's probably a million, they're all actors. They, they pick out, okay, who has the acting skills? And then it's like, who has the physique to go with that? So to compare to the top 10 actors, physiques on, you know, movies. So let's just say then, let's just say I want to look like that and I'll do whatever. It takes. Then probably within a year. If I, what, what do I have to do to do that? Just test. Just testosterone. I think he's also six, six. Well, it doesn't matter the height, you know, just disproportionately, you could tell me he was five foot six or six foot six. I can't tell him. I feel like I could look like that naturally working out consistently and eating a good diet, uh, in a year. Aren't you working out now though? Yeah, but not as strong as I probably could. How often are you working out right now? Six days a week, but some of those are really just like, some of those are cardio days, right? Just, I put on a podcast, listen to a podcast, uh, you know, you're lifting already six days a week. If you told me I only lift weights twice a week and mostly I do cardio and I only train half ass, I would say maybe, but because you're already the fact you're going to the gym six days a week, even if you're training half ass, you're getting 80 to 90% of the benefits you could get already. Like the difference from training moderately hard to like perfect and having the best app, like using my sculpted app. Doing everything. You're only going to talk about 10 or 20% difference here. Now there's 0% chance you can look like this guy. Thanks. David laid. I can't look like David laid. He didn't know who David laid was like a month ago. David laid is one of the most aesthetic physiques in fitness industry of all time. So he's up there with Jeff side. He would be the next guy after Jeff seed in this world of aesthetics. He's about six foot three and about 200 pounds shredded. As he made a crazy transformation, which made him famous. He was like 13, 14 years of age. He basically had no muscle and then he got huge. Is he natural? He's not natural either. And I think he's probably natural now aside from peptides, which he's admitted to, which is why we know he's not natural because he's used band peptides. But he also had a period of time when he put up 80 pounds on his bench press from three 15 to three 95 in a matter of like three months. And he was also dead lifting 675 pounds at about, or maybe even 700 something at like 18, 19 years of age. And so David laid. All of a sudden there was a period of time in his teen years. He just blew up in terms of strength. And that was when he was most suspicious. So I've done an ad or not. And I didn't think that he was natural. So I've stated not natty, but crazy proportions. He is the most like what this guy looks like, except for he would not be able to get to that level natural. I don't think. So here's an old photo of me. And we're talking about Kevin when I said he. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is a whole photo of me. Yes. What about it? Yeah. How long? Until Graham can look like that. Good. Get back. Oh, I was going to say, how long did I take to look like that? Yeah. This is not going to happen. Were you on steroids during that? This was natural at the, I think I was 160 something pounds at a time. So this is a lot of muscle, which is oddly enough. I'm way bigger than that now, but you can't tell. It looks, it looks like a lot. It's me in the pool. I'm 160 something pounds. And this is the day after competing in a bodybuilding competition. So you. seem to really remember this day. What was your first meal after? Oh God, no, I don't. This is probably 2000. I'm going to guess 2006, I think, is 2006. I believe I was 164, 5, 6 pounds, somewhere around there. Check responses, setup required, compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. When an intruder approaches a home, they expect a camera. What they don't expect. Stop. This is simply safe. Police are on the way. 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Not even close. Why? A better question would be, could he ever win a pro show? Could he ever be in the top 50 in the world? I would say no. Maybe one in a thousand chance of being in the top, like, 50. Sam has almost maximized what he can do in classic physique. He's basically at the top of the weight class. So if he put on five pounds more muscle, he can't compete in that category. And so the reason he can't be the best in the world in classic physique, which would be like Sebum or Ramon Dino or Mike Summerfeld, all these guys, is because of the frame, like the genetics of his body. The smallest waist, the widest shoulders, that pleasing look. He's just really good at what he does. And trust me, being an IBB pro and where he is, And trust me, being an IBB pro and where he is, he gets, I think, eighth place or so in his last bodybuilding show as a pro. It's hard to do, but there's nowhere to go. Like I saw Anton at the show here just before I came in. Anton is 22 years of age. Anton could not diet for a month and still beat him at the future best that he could ever be. It's not even close. What makes Anton so superior? Anton's waist is like four inches smaller. All his muscles are more bubbly. The insertions look better. The detail, the crispiness, like there's certain parts of a body that just look better. Like some people's bodies look amazing. Like Sebum has horrible legs from the front. Like the quads don't look that good. phenomenal they're they're insane sebum looks good because he can do an incredible vacuum pose and he has the widest shoulders in the world and on a side chest he looks unbelievable like right up there with the ipv pro like in the open class um it just certain things look good sebum's bicep doesn't really look good it's just the certain genetics and this anton guy everything looks insane it doesn't make sense so sam sulik has a lot of good body parts but as a whole aesthetically He's not close to the top of the top. How much money do you make if you win a bodybuilding competition? Depending on the show, between $2,500 and I think it's a half a million for the Olympia. Maybe it's $600,000 now. The Arnold and the Olympia are like at least a half a million. How much money does it take leading up to that? Like, let's just say you win $500,000. Like how much body, how much muscle? How much have you invested? How much do you spend on drugs to compete in a show? Just everything, yeah. The top guys, not classic, but like open bodybuilding, and it's mostly on growth hormone, would be upwards of $100,000 a year to prep for that. So when they win. You're going broke on it. Most bodybuilders are selling steroids to pay for the drugs that they're doing themselves in order to compete. So most pros for a living sell steroids. It's just, it's in secret. How do they legally sell steroids? Well, you don't. You don't tell anyone. So they're making money under the table. Yeah. Yeah. Because you need to spend about, you need about $100,000 a year to compete at the top of the top level and you have the physique to back it up. And so if I'm trying to buy steroids and I see that guy and he's one of the best bodybuilders in the world, I'm thinking, well, I'll just buy it from him. The stuff he has clearly works. So that's extremely common. So unless you're like Sam Sulik doesn't need to sell anything. He's already a multimillionaire from being famous. But if you don't have fame and you're a lower level person, most pro bodybuilders are probably going to be trainers who coach people. And when you coach people, typically you sell them the products that they need. And so that's how you're making your money. So for an average person who wants to compete and win, could they do that without being already financially independent? I used to win shows natural against people on steroids as a natural, but I had really great genetics, so I could do it without spending a lot. But I would say most people need to have money absolutely to bodybuild. It's a very expensive sport. Is it possible to win and still hold a job from like nine to five i was a school teacher until until i turned pro the year i turned ifbb pro i was a school teacher that year so absolutely nine to five job no problem so i've also brought one other person this is my most ripped friend out of everybody and he's come over here brett get over here well brett's also six foot six oh good to meet you what's the height I'm 6'3". 6'3", okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Take off your shirt. Like, yeah, show off the physique. Come over here, like, in the camera. All right. Yeah, yeah. Right here. Go for it. Right in between. He's too tall. I'm just getting crotched. You might have to. Oh, do I? Got to get lower? You might have to. All right, go ahead. I mean, on a scale of 1 to 10, his physique would be, for most people, like a 9.9. He's not as lean as the last guy, but honestly, he doesn't as Kevin, Kevin, but, but way more muscle, taller, more attractive overall. So I would say like, this would be a physique that all the girls would like. All the girls would like this physique for sure. And does he need to do anything? No. If you want to be a bodybuilder, it's going to be very hard because the shoulders aren't really, really wide and the waist isn't really, really small. So Kevin, if Kevin took steroids and you took steroids, I think Kevin would have an overall better physique. Damn. Kevin. What do you, but you don't need to take steroids or unless you're already on them. Then, you know, do you think he's natty? No. You don't think I'm natty? No. I'm natty. I don't know if that's true. I, I, I'm hearing it, but that's what, of course I would say that. I took like a pro hormone like 10 years ago. That's all I've done. Ah, that's, that's nothing. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. As a natural. Tell me this pro hormone. Whatever you took is what I want to take it out. Yeah. No, as a natural, it's a, it's a, yeah, it's top, top tier physique for sure. me yeah i thought you're gonna say uh natty so that's surprising yeah what makes this look unnatural the amount of muscle he has being 6'3 how much you weigh like 225 i'm like 205 right that's it wow incredible everybody said do you have much leg development probably not a lot of these guys can get see what i mean why guys don't need to train legs they come in here with jogging pants they have incredible upper bodies so he's got the full chest big arms um and he's leaning out of his abs, but maybe not as much quads. Like I weigh 190 and I'm like eight inches, nine inches shorter. So what do you think he could improve upon the most? The legs. Yeah. But if you were trying to impress more girls, I mean, probably just wider shoulders like here, because the clavicle width is like set in stone and you can't just widen it. But if you had wider shoulders, the muscles would just sit wider. So your weight waist would look smaller because he would have that illusion. like chris bumstead his shoulders are like this wide or even like like uh um who's mr olympia from last year derrick uh lunsford his shoulders are like this wide and his waist is this small that's what makes him so good that's just why they stand out or andrew jack likes all these guys like yeah bodybuilding it's all about the frame it's laterals after this yeah but best shoulder exercise for overall development i would do shoulder press with machine full press yeah i mean side laterals is great but like this is going to build more overall muscles if i had to pick one i would do this one over the other but other than that side laterals so like in last year there's not many exercises i've done other than this and this that's basically it don't do anything else are you need me anymore any longer no free to go you're also free to hang out but yeah you can hang out yeah all right all right well thanks bro thanks for making a cameo good to meet you thank you i thought he was taller than that no he he just looks really tall because we're not we're all sitting also in fairness we're just how tall is kevin kevin's like five seven i think yeah five six five six five seven that's why i was like hosie that tall yeah yeah at six foot three with that much muscle and and 205 i would say his legs are small probably in relation to how the upper body is built because like six three two oh five i mean you'd expect a guy to weigh a lot more. Like what do you weigh? 175. And you're how tall? Six foot? Six foot. Yeah. And people think that if you're under 200 pounds, you're basically, like um what's the victim weight victim weight exactly weight yeah yeah literally oh it's like everyone makes fun of anyone that's under 200 pounds or like really yeah you have abs but you don't even weigh 200 pounds you're literally victim weight like you're useless you're under 200 pounds it's a big thing all the guys think they need to weigh 200 even like my friends yeah they'll be like i can't get under 200 i'm like yeah but you're fat like of course you can get you should weigh 170 oh my god i could never be that small and i'm like but you would look great at 170 what do you think someone that's six feet tall should weigh i mean there's no should like like you know really good weight at six foot to be healthy and lean 180 pounds would be like awesome 200 pounds like you're you're huge like six foot 200 you're a monster like if you have muscle in your lean it's massive there's a guy down home he was uh his name is julian he turned ibb pro he's in the olympia i got 13th i was coaching him for a while and he was 190 something and six foot he's a monster like just massive i'm like that's 190 something pounds he turned pro 175 so this is all you need so if you're six foot and 200 pounds you're probably fat for most guys yeah most guys who are six foot and 200 overweight definitely how's the business been doing over the past year you were transparent with your numbers back then i'm curious what do your numbers look like now well we just got into gnc and so i'm not sure if i'm allowed to talk about the how much their orders were but it's like it's great it's certainly a big step up in the business um i think that because we're in gnc now the the company has a great chance of growing into other companies like uh being worldwide and so it's a it's a huge step so how is your income broken down today see these are questions i have no idea how to i don't know the answer to this stuff you don't know how much money you're making no how do you percentage spent here and there like percentage on advertisements percent on rough just roughly just like hey we make uh you know 20 of our revenue from youtube 30 percent from our revenue from youtube 30 percent from our revenue from youtube 30 percent from our my revenue on youtube is down from like more than a million a year to maybe like 800 000 in a year because i don't have as many views as i once did even though right now youtube is changing the way they count views so my videos are all getting way more views but i think it's like inflated artificially by perhaps 40 um i still making pretty good money on snapchat it's like 20 000 plus a month on on average um i hardly make any sales on cookbooks now i think that's ship of sale maybe a couple hundred thousand in cookbooks a year um the biggest difference from then is i'm i'm a i don't even know if i'm allowed to say the percent i'm a part owner of algor x which is selling maybe 20 million dollars a year and so that's a huge difference and i advertise algor x in every single video um the sales have gone up i think maybe sixfold since i started in the last year so like every single video i tell people about the value of peptides where you can get them and i'm like oh my god i'm gonna get them and i'm gonna get them and i'm gonna get them and the fact that it's you know from compounding pharmacies from doctors are you making more than you've ever made more profit than i've ever made i was like if i counted algor x yes but without counting algor x no how much have you made from your cookbook in its entirety maybe 12 million oh crap that's really good are you considering writing another one no because there's i honestly the amount of money i would have to spend on another one wouldn't be worth it for me and i'm not as passionate about it i've lost the excitement of like just creating new recipes and doing I wouldn't want to do it just for money because I don't need more money. So if I'm not passionate about something, it's not fun. So with AlgorX, it was like a new challenge, something to take on and promote and have fun with it and seeing the growth and being part of a company. There's three of us that are owners of this company. And so I think that's a great new thing. And I want to see that get into the 100 million plus range. And so that's the next big thing. The supplements is now in GNC. That's huge for me. So I tell people, go to GNC. Don't even buy it from my website. I don't even need this. Because there's only so many years that everyone's going to come and watch Coach Greg. I need HGLT to not just be Coach Greg, but yet a bigger beyond me. Imagine me not making videos and it still being a huge company, which is science-based. It's throughout the world. We have so many products that nobody else has, like the Tercestron from Uzbekistan. Now we have Ferula Max to boost testosterone. We have so many things that no one else has. The innovation in HGLT is beyond what anyone else is doing. At what point do you think you stopped needing more money? Because you said, I don't need any more money now. Probably the day I sold 1,004 books in a day at $100 each. That day when I made $104,000 in one day, I didn't really need any. I could have retired that day because the money every day after that was like $25,000 per day for a year straight. It was ridiculous. So that was the year I made the most money on cookbooks. I made more money in a year from cookbooks than from supplements. Although, you know, some days where I've sold Turk would be like astronomical, like well over $100,000 in a day, but I don't need any more money. I could retire now for sure, but I just enjoy it. So it's not about money. It's about the fun I have in being good at something. What do you think is the right amount of money to have? Where it's not too much, you become a target, but it's enough to kind of, you could do almost anything. I think after a half a million dollars a year, all the money is just like useless. It's like, it's just to brag about. Like instead of, like, if you want to get a Bugatti, is it better than having a Lamborghini? Like it's a nicer car, but it's just, it's like, it's the same. It's like, it's not increasing your style of living. Like I don't need to be on a private jet. I don't need to do this or do that. Like it just doesn't excite me. It's not even, it's not even fun for me. So I don't need more money, but it's fun. The challenge of trying to make more, it's just like bike racing. I don't need to be faster to have fun, but the challenge of trying to get faster is the fun part of it. Lastly, what we have for you is an influencer tier list where you're going to assign people from S all the way down to F tier. And this is on their general influence as a fitness influencer. Like positive or negative? Yeah. Okay. Rank all of these people in terms of their impact on the fitness community and also their physique. Okay. The trend twins, I'm going to say they are a C tier for influence, mostly because of the name trend and the fact you're on steroids. And I do believe that if you follow the trend twins, you're more likely to want to use steroids and not as likely to be pushed for fitness and health. Their physiques are A tier. I mean, they're both jacked. They're incredible shape. So I'm going to put them in C tier overall. This guy, Caleb Hammer. He's that money guy. He's not a fitness influencer. No. Okay. Well, okay. He's clearly F tier for both physique and influence. F tier. I did watch Togi on this channel. It was interesting. Togi for a fitness influencer. Fitness influencer is going to be F tier. So not good at all for promoting fitness. I mean, he's openly on steroids. He doesn't really train all that hard. Sometimes he locks in. It's not that great. So for fitness, not very good. But for physique, I'm going to say he's actually S, one below S tier, A tier. Crazy physique, really good shape, lean, wide shoulders, tall. So kind of like your friend here. Really high level physique. Liver King, F for influence for obvious reasons. His physique would be A tier. It's pretty high level. Like bro is shredded. He looks pretty damn good, especially for his age. What do we got here? What's his name? Is that Larry Wilson? Yes. I'm just bad with names. I know exactly who he is. I'm going to say he's a D tier influencer, not because of the stuff he does with girls. And that drama, but because he's on steroids. Um, I don't think that he's a positive influence for most people. Like he's more of a, of a shocking freak factor. Like he's boxing or he's doing all these different sports, but I don't think you watch Larry to learn how to do like how to be fit and healthy and do cardio and whatnot. Um, but his physique is S tier. Um, he's an IPB pro. I mean, we don't get much higher than that. Um, then we have Noel Disel. For beginners. How do I slide this up? Oops. For beginners, he's S tier. For more advanced people who are more familiar with things, it would be below that. But for a beginner, he has an S tier physique. Uh, sorry. He has an S tier channel in terms of promoting fitness and health is definitely what you want out of a person. His information is not at the level of like highly scientific, but definitely a great influence. And I would say he has an S tier physique. He's an IPB pro. Like he's as high as up. Um, but oh, I'm gonna have to lower him down because he's not Natty. I can't have him missed here because some people are going to want that physique. And because he has a lot of muscle, he's going to be an influential person to have people take steroids. So similar to me. Um, Will Tennyson, I'm going to put him as a fitness influencer in A tier. Where do we go here? A tier for, uh, um, what do you want to call it? A tier for a fitness influencer. A tier for being a fitness influencer. And the only reason he's not S tier is because he's not really a purely a fitness influencer. He's more like a guy that does a bunch of different things. So I think his channel is more revolving around him trying things out. It's not necessarily like just about fitness. And so one step below S tier for physique, one step below S tier for information. Derek, I'm going to say, how do I give Derek a rating? Derek doesn't do very well. Um, I'm going to give him a seat here because he used to be great, but he doesn't do anything anymore. And I'm going to say his. physique probably B tier pretty good physique he was on steroids he doesn't he doesn't do fitness anymore essentially I would say he's retired David Goggins for fitness and whatnot I would say he's A tier because he's exceptionally motivating and inspiring and if you even have 10% of what he has you're going to do really good and at physique I would also give it A tier guy is like single digit body fat he's super fit and so you got to love David Goggins the rock for a fitness influencer oh for physique I would say he's A tier I mean he's got a lot of muscle he looks great um for motivation and inspiring I think he's really good but the fact that he's lying about being natural and uh that he's abused steroids for years I'm going to put him at C tier because he's going to encourage a lot of people to do steroids Sam Sulik I normally would penalize him more for being a guy that's on steroids but he doesn't encourage steroids and he has a really really good channel and so I'm going to put him up at A tier one step below from being S tier if he was natural and did the same thing he would be S tier and his physique is S tier it's like he's an IPB pro I mean the physique is is crazy myself I'm going to rate my physique as being A tier and I'm thinking that I'm an A tier influencer and for the same reasons as like Noel because I'm not natural I can't put myself in the top line I'm going to put myself in the top line because I'm because some people are going to see my physique know that I've I use steroids in the past I'm on HRT and they're going to be tempted to do that C bum for uh fitness information and for uh learning how to do bodybuilding and whatnot I'm going to put him as a B tier I don't think there's as much excitement I think that at this point he's just like running around and he's just not doing fitness the way he used to um he still has a decent channel but I I don't find it terribly exciting it's not as engaging I don't think that a lot of young people would go and watch C bum right now and now that he's retired I think that he's going to get less views on his channel but the mental aspect is really high level I like that the most about Chris like so when I watch videos from Chris I like the mental aspect of things but I don't think most people are at a level where they're advanced enough in their training to see it the way that Chris does I think you Chris his information for me is for like guys who are like older like 30 plus but most of his fans are probably um and his physique is S tier plus it's like off the charts Jeff Nippard for information and for physique I also think he's A tier even though I've had beef with him in the past I think a lot of his information is scientific but I think that he holds on to um studies a bit too much and he omits how he really feels about something just to show the science and so I don't think he's 100% honest in some of the things that he presents but overall A tier for most people amazing editing on videos great quality videos and definitely you know close to the top Mike Izzertel for physique I would say he's got a D tier physique um it's because of the stomach like unfortunately it's like I don't think that anyone aspires to have his physique but it's not it's not F he's not fat he's still he's still got something but I think for abusing steroids it's not very good and I think for overall as a channel I would give him a B tier because although he promotes a lot of steroids and things like that he does have a lot of good information and I think he's very smart and has a lot of good information quality information that a lot of people can learn from despite all the I'll call them gay jokes and crazy jokes I still think that he has a good channel that if he wanted to it could be S tier but he just lowers it for some reason uh Jesse James West has an A tier physique very good almost S tier and for uh fitness channel I'd say it's B um it's not all about fitness sometimes it's about fitness um I think there's so it's catered more to a younger audience like let's go but not a lot of like actual take-home information that you could learn from uh lean is this lean beef patty lean beef patty I would say she has uh an S tier physique like top level physique and an A tier channel I think for women more so than men they could learn a lot from her she she's got a lot of good information about her she's got a lot of good information about her battled um eating disorders and stuff in the past and still to this day I do believe and she shares a lot about it she's very open about these things and I think that she's vulnerable in her videos and so I think she has a great channel that people can watch uh this is oh geez how do I not know his name do better what's his name you need to do better Joey Swole Joey Swole is great but he's one dimensional he's only got one thing and so I'm in C tier because once you've seen one Joey Swole video you've seen all of them so he could do way better but I mean if I were Joey I'd be doing the same thing like I don't blame him he's viral for calling out people in the gym and but it's one thing that you can learn from and he's absolutely not natural and so if you watch Joey I think you'd be tempted to use steroids that isn't good his physique I think is S tier like it's ridiculous that every day he's single digit body that is so much muscle he looks like he's got a lot of muscle he's got a lot of muscle he's got a lot of muscle he looks so good but I think that it's uh it's a scary thing that if you watch Joey Swole all the time that you might want to look like him although his message is amazing like for what he says to to not make fun of people in the gym and whatnot now we have Michael Hearn who has an S tier physique for sure ridiculous physique he's 57 I met him for the first time today in my lifetime we chatted for 30 minutes I was talking to his kid we were talking his channel if you can get over the fact that he's a fake natty because we know he's not natural and he's lied about that for years he does have a lot of good information but he also has a lot of bad information it's like he's on the fence I'm going to give him a C tier because for older people I think he's great I think his information is from like the 70s and 80s mostly I don't think he's learned a lot of the newest information but he's very inspirational and motivational and just the fact that he's been able to train as hard as he can for as consistent as he said he's kind of like a David Goggins but some of the information it's like counterintuitive it's like against what it should be and so I can only put him as high as a C I wish I could put him higher but if he came out and said I'm a fake natty I would have to then put him up to A but we got to keep him there Alex Eubank has an S tier physique it's a top level physique I can't put him at the highest levels because he is on HRT and he is on steroids a bit too high I think he talks a lot about the mind the mental aspects I'm going to he tries really hard he's a Christian guy he wants to help he wants to do good he didn't take a gambling sponsorship he could be making half a million dollars extra a million dollars a year if he promoted gambling which he didn't do you got to give him respect for that and he is at least honest about taking HRT and whatnot so I'll give him a B tier I think that he's close to an A tier for information but I'm just going to give him a B based on what I see here and so why no S tier and if someone had to be S tier who would it be I think that if Noel Deisel were natural S tier Sam Sulik natural S tier myself natural S tier outside of that do we have an S tier fitness creator S tier fitness influencer I can't think of any we're missing we're missing here I'm not somebody that could come up with names off the spot like if I had to say who would I recommend to follow over all these guys I mean I don't think there is one maybe in a few years from now somebody watching this video will come out and be that person maybe somebody just Tristan Lee's not even close I don't think Tristan Lee's natural and he's five percent body fat all the time I would have him as a B tier Tristan Lee's not close to S tier so maybe somebody will come out of nowhere and be that S tier influencer there's probably women who are S tier influencers who I don't follow as much but are S tier for women they're probably natural motivational and they do all the things they promote both cardio and weights and a healthy diet I like I just I don't follow women content as much but I bet there are some out there cool love it well Greg thank you so much for coming on the iced coffee thanks for having me absolutely it's always a blast also love the watch that thing is sick that's what I said I love it yeah I love it those bands are great because I actually don't pinch the arm hair so much I need it I actually brought one or um like my wrist is a little bit big it's a little bit tight you can see you know what's so funny mark in my car to try to to add a link to add a link you mean remove a link no add this is the maximum amount of like the links and so I have it an extra two links I thought it was a little loose on you oh man it's it's like it needs it needs you need a link taken out no I need another link added so that it's looser my my two Rolexes are way looser I can put my hand underneath like when I do this I can't probably too loose then it's fine so for you you like a tight watch yeah I mean this is what I do it just it's snug it's snugly fits and yours is looser than mine no it's not like it'll like during the day it'll like dig into my hand and I have to do it again and I have to do it again and I have to do it again and I have to do it again and I literally have to loosen it oh interesting like I get the marks on the side like in the in the cab on the way over I I couldn't wear it it was too tight wow so I would like it like uh not quite a half a centimeter but maybe maybe up there a bit a bit looser for me okay interesting well well you guys heard it here thank you so much for coming on the channel yeah and for all the for star guesting thank you and for all the channel members out there really appreciate it if you want to see our next episode it's already live for the channel members so here's a preview of it. I really hope you enjoy. Thank you so much. All your information's down below in the description. and until next time. Emotions felt really strongly could instantly transfer into a ton of strength. How would someone cross from not loving the gym to actually enjoying the time spent in the gym? As you come to the gym and your body changes, you look in the mirror like, oh my God, I'm like becoming a superhero. Should anyone work out seven days a week? Is it the best idea in the world? No, I would not say it is. My IQ is above 160. We don't know how high because they don't do standardized IQ tests above that. How do you know that to be true? Like the Raven's Advanced Progressive Matrices IQ test, which is a maximum of 160. I got every single problem correct. What percent of their max potential could they achieve by working out twice a week? Mr. Mike, he knows that what he's doing to his body is stupid. If I fall off tomorrow, Greg will never make another video about me again. 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