Behind The Scenes Of The Great Debate: TPUSA Is The Biggest Loser. | Ep 376

All right, you guys, happy Monday. I am extra happy this Monday because of the great debate. I owe my, honestly, you guys, if we're being honest, it was over the minute that Andrew Wilson began reading his quote-unquote opening statement from his phone. I was half expecting him to just be like, and this message was brought to you by Turning Point USA. Just terrible, terrible. I mean, without question, the biggest loser was Erica Kirk, Andrew Colette, like Neff, the Turning Point USA organization, more broadly speaking, because we seem to be reaching a new depth of their PR disaster. Could it get any worse? I mean, guys, they brought that guy in to train Turning Point USA students how to debate. He's gonna teach them the strategy of debate. They actually paid him to teach them. So they went from Charles James Kirk, Charlie. To a chain-smoking debate bro with a very shaky boot. Like I said, they are the biggest losers. I personally think the organization is over. There can't be much coming back from that who they're now hitching their wagon to Erica Kirk with CEO and Chairwoman ruined this organization in under a year, which is incredible. And it's because the queen sent an absolute Joker. Welcome back to Candace. [MUSIC] Let me just express to you all that I truly feel disrespected. Can I say that I feel disrespected because there is no organization that knows better than Turning Point USA does. But I was trained to debate by Charlie Kirk, cross-country, across too many college campuses. I mean, just hours and hours and hours while we were traveling, note cards, learning how to debate what not to do. And so it's just like how dare they. How dare they send me Andrew Wilson? Really, this is the new person that's coaching the students. This is who you think is going to take me down. Goes into TPUSA headquarters in June, comes out. And suddenly he thinks that I don't know, he's a billionaire, dropping my name. Oh, she's too afraid to bait me. [MUSIC] Okay, let me give you guys a little bit of a backstory here. You should just know what happened leading up to this. Because it just will give you a better sense of what the orientation has become. What we all notice is nothing to do with who Charlie was. And I think understanding the lead up to this moment, lead up to the great debate. Yeah, I really do think that it will help furnish the answer of the strategy that Erica Kirk employs as the new CEO and leader. Now, I am not in any way exaggerating when I say that I have never in my life, amongst friend or foe organizations dealt with a more unprofessional team than Andrew's team in my entire career ever anywhere leading up to them arriving at my house. So foremost, just to back it up, you will recall that Andrew Wilson demanded that I publicly negotiate the terms of the agreement on X. He wanted to tweet back and forth. It was excruciating. He wanted to make sure that I couldn't change the terms. I was like, why don't we take a sound to email? We could just go back and forth. He's like, no, this must be negotiated publicly, please. So he literally refused to email like a normal human being until we agreed to the debate claim, that until we agreed to the formats, three and a half hours, minimally, until I accepted that and that took about a day and a half of nonstop back forth, which to me is quite childish and we agreed. Of course, he could also bring a video guy because he was paranoid to ensure that there were no surprises like we were going to do some sort of a gacha here. Like, who is in his ear just telling him that this, any of this is necessary, I don't know, but I did find out. We also agreed, as you saw, publicly that he could bring his own fact checkers. Essentially, he's coming with a party of four. We agreed that he could pick the moderator, etc, etc. We basically folded on everything because I just said, I just, I'm down for this debate. And then once it was excruciatingly and publicly negotiated and we are finally able to move to discussions behind the scenes, let me start an email chain. I am provided with no identity as to who I am communicating with. We're basically emailing the quote-unquote crucible team. I'm like, who is this? Who am I speaking with? Why is there no name behind the emails even when we, like I said, we asked, who am I speaking to? They're just being shady for no reason. It's like a faceless email chain. We have all of our names on there so they know exactly who's calling the shots, who's being looped in. We've got nothing. So whoever this anonymous email person or people were, they then declared that they would like a contract and an escrow account for the funds, okay? Not totally off the mark, but it's going to be hard, not exactly easy to find a bank that approves an escrow account, open it, get lawyers involved by Friday. That's what I'm thinking. They then indicate that they're okay if it's my lawyers account, okay? Fine. I have my lawyer begin drafting a very simple contract, which basically spells out exactly what we've agreed to publicly. And suddenly we receive an email from the crucible team, the crucible team, essentially saying, never mind. Joe Rogan has now made an offer to host this discussion down in Texas. And I'm quoting this, this changes everything, which just blow up the negotiations. It was blow up everything that we made you painfully agree to publicly because Joe Rogan will reach more people than your platform. Now they're asking me to travel to Texas. They offer me a luxury car to accommodate my pregnancy. And I say no. I say no unless Joe would like to come to Nashville because it does not change everything. It actually changes nothing. And I'm not going to deal, it's already been a painful process. I'm not taking myself through that again, plus pushing the date back and having to be in communication with this team for weeks on end because you're a fan of Joe Rogan. I like Joe Rogan too, but I only had two conditions here, right? Everything else we've conceded to. I said, I don't want to travel. Not because I can't travel pregnant. I do. And I do travel pregnant. I just don't want to travel to this ankle bider who's up there saying, I'll do it on your platform. Okay, put your money where your mouth is. The other condition I had was no smoking, no smoking, no traveling. Anyway, they finally let that go. And I respectfully declined. I'm on Joe reached out. He's very nice about it. Totally understanding. Andrew then calls PBD and asks him to moderate because Michael Noel said that he wasn't going to moderate. I immediately said, give me your second, third, fourth option. So we can start reaching out to people. Andrew reached out to PBD. And around this time, the quote unquote crucible team begins renegotiating what we've already publicly degree to. Asserting that they want to have a guaranteed 90 minutes to basically sit me through a deposition where he can just go at me and ask me questions. And I have to answer his questions about things that I have said outside of our debate claims. Now, we've already addressed that publicly. And I said, no, I said, I'm happy to answer your questions once we have exhausted our debate claims. But we're not going to have some you sitting down and deposing me. I actually recommended the email. Again, I said, if you want that to happen, you're going to have to pass the bar and join Brigitte McCrone's prosecution team against me. If that's what you're aspiring to do, send me down for a deposition, you have to become a lawyer and join her team. Okay. And I said, no. And PBD, I'm going crazy here. I'm like, he is the one that agreed to all of this publicly, made me do this publicly and is now trying to change things. So at that point, since PBD accepted being the moderator, he suggests that everyone get on a FaceTime call to work through these details. So we have basically an emergency FaceTime call on Tuesday evening. And I explained a detail. Suddenly, he's acting differently. I think just having the presence of me now looping in PBD on these emails, he's like, oh, yeah, no, it's fine. I don't need to ask her questions or do anything like that or add that to the contract. I just want to make sure that there will be time for me to address generally speaking some of her conspiracies. And I said, over and over again, I don't mind answering your questions. We're going to be dialoguing. We're not here not sitting me down and questioning me. And I want to make sure we at first and foremost, address the case. That's what people are here to listen to. And I explained in detail on this call. And PBD has two members from his team on the call as well, Tom as well as his executive assistant. I explained in detail thoroughly that my house is very small. I explained to him why we are not allowing them to film anywhere. But inside of this exact studio, my kids live here, they homeschool here. And this is something that you just have to respect. But I understand your paranoid. We have a very small, small, formerly HVAC closet control room, but we will create a spot to address your paranoia for your team. They will be able to listen. They'll be able to hear everything. And so that you know that there's no funny business going on and you're welcome to basically record within the studio. So that in the event that we try to trick you or do something, you will have captured it. And he's fine with that. He gets off. We get out the phone. Everything is done. Contract gets officially signed. on Thursday, okay, what could possibly go wrong? You're thinking, right? Because tomorrow is Friday. Well, sometime on Thursday, my producer is like, it's kind of weird that we don't have a point of contact. We are still dealing with a faceless team. No one has reached out to ask for our address. We also need the names because we have security and we need to know who they're bringing. So the faceless people have to become real people. And we end up asking PBD's team to provide us a number for Andrew Wilson. We get a number and it's Andrew's number. And he says, reach out to this number, which seemingly belongs to no one. They will not identify themselves. So my producer is now texting an anonymous somebody. We try to run the number to figure out who we're speaking to. It appears to be a burner phone. At the person just, I guess they want to surprise us with who they're bringing to the house. I can't even imagine this. I can't even imagine this scenario where someone has expressed to you, my children live here, they sleep here. This is our personal home. Like we are going to have a studio outside of this in the near future. But for now, this is what we have. Now over the course of this conversation with this faceless individual, the person immediately begins getting rude with my producer and insisting, again, this is on Thursday. This is the night before. If they're going to need a desk, they're going to need a place to set up. Andrew's live stream, excuse me. They're saying they're not going to need an HDMI cable. That's going to run out of our studio into the control room. So they can set up a computer into a camera and live stream. They need access to power, they say. They being the anonymous people. I don't know who we're speaking to. And I almost lost it. I just went like this is absurd. They still will not answer who they are bringing. And I said, we have never agreed to allow them to set up a live stream in our home to write a desk. What are we even talking about? And the person replies that they thought it was implied. Because our contract says the debate will be live streamed. Yeah, the debate is going to be live streamed like my show is live streamed every day. Because you thought we were going to trick you and put it behind a paywall. Why would you think that implies that you can set up a mini studio in my home? After I've gone through such pains to express to both you and PBD's team how small the space is and how we don't have any room. I kid you not, okay? So when did this anonymous team decide to email us rather than trying to force my producer to just accommodate them? When were they going to email us about this assumption? 9.15 PM the night before. 9.15 PM the night before the debate. With a follow up email sent at 11.15 PM. And still, at no point, well, they identify who the four people are despite the fact that we asked multiple times in the email and the text, who are you bringing into my home where my children lie their head? So it's now debate day. We still get no answers, no identity of who they're bringing. They want to surprise us. That's very apparent. And I just want to say I cannot comprehend how degenerate and disrespectful you have to be to do that. I just, I would never do that to anybody no matter how I felt about them. So we just made sure that they were not welcome through the front door. We normally just welcome everybody through the front door and said they had to go for the back, the basement door because why would I allow anyone to be so unnecessarily disrespectful? And then we figure out why. And then it starts to make sense because he shows up with Stephen Crowder's team. Stephen Crowder's producer, CEO, regular on-air talent feature who spends all day mean tweeting me. He's actually like the CEO of whatever it is. Stephen Crowder thinks he does anymore. If you don't know who Stephen Crowder is, he's basically a child actor who never stopped being a child actor. It's a 40-year-old man. And he just likes to prank people. And this is exactly his brand of just doing something this disrespectful for no reason. And I mean, when I say disrespectful, and I'm not even like Gerald Morgan, as we brought with him, I didn't, he was not rude to me, but could you imagine? Okay. That despite me detailing why we wanted no filming outside of this studio and saying, you can film in this studio. Gerald decided to do a live calling from my kid's playroom just outside this studio. It was one of the reasons we said no smoking. We made it clear to them, my children's playroom, which is the garage area, is just outside. And you can't smoke cigarettes. All of this was made clear. This was their big plan is to get views for Stephen and to disrespect me. You can go back. And so I still am just amazed that this is something that like grown men would be plotting and planning for clicks and views. It's so disgusting. But at the very least, it allowed me to understand why there was so much paranoia. While there was all this weird communication, all this unnecessary scheming. 'Cause I, that's his brand. That is literally his brand. He's just not an honest dealer. He's a part of that bizarre group of middle-aged men who are fixated with me. I just never have been interested in Stephen Crowder. I genuinely like, I don't follow his stuff. I've never been on his show. I just, it's, that brand of never growing up and thinking that it's funny to do like pranks. It's not, it's grow up, you know? His brand sort of crashed and burned when he was caught on a doorbell cam by braiding his eight-month pregnant now ex-wife when she was pregnant with twins. And he never really recovered from that. And so I guess the way that he thought he would recover is by plotting against another very pregnant person to sort of like break into her house in a weird way, and like, so you could have inside scoop on a debate rather than just maturely emailing and saying, like why would you sneak into someone's house? Like, it still buckles the mind. Why would you try to sneak into someone's house because you want clicks and views because you don't have the manhood or the decency to say, hey, look, you said I could bring four people and I'm gonna bring someone that you don't like and someone who's been nasty to you online, but that's for my progative. I would have said, yeah, you're right, it's your progative. Could you just make sure his person doesn't, you know, film here, whatever, they did not do that. And it was actually a complete violation to what we agreed to because one thing the contract did stipulate was no filming outside of this studio. Anyway, I kept professional. We were kind to everyone because of nothing else. It did give me the confidence to know that Angie was surrounding himself and taking advice from very unserious people who liked to play pranks essentially. And I think that we saw the fruits of that during the debate immediately that that was their plan. It sort of played tricks to win. And I do want to say just to be super fair here, the team, particularly he had in the control room, Rob, he was very kind, very professional. Even Gerald, he was kind and professional to my face, but just what you're doing, the exercise of what you're doing here is just a level of disrespect that I don't think I've ever dealt with. And if it wasn't for me knowingly moving out of this house in a couple of weeks or so, I probably would not want these kinds of people to know where I live because you just don't have respect for children. Now regarding the debates, I do want to say this by the time Andrew Wilson whipped out his phone and read that opening statement, it was clear to me that he was going to lose. As soon as he said the much trafficked quotation of you're going off vibes and dreams and no evidence, I knew that he was completely unfamiliar with my content. Like he just decided to go to Turning Point and say, "I'll do this, I'll be Bacho," and had done no research. And I also had this micro win because earlier, you remember, I had said that one of the terms that I wanted, that I ended up conceding, was I wanted Turning Point to claim their horse. I wanted them to say that this is our guy. And he said he didn't want that done. We all knew that he was being sent by Erika out in company, but he refused that term and said he had nothing to do with them. And then in the first three minutes of the debate, he makes it perfectly clear that Turning Point USA is backing him with this totally awkward. I have a never before seen message wherein he just kind of makes Erika Kirk look like a big fat liar. Take a listen. As I hold in my possession, never before seen messages from Charlie Kirk to security team on September 9th, 2025. I'm gonna share the message with you today, which is the first time this information's ever been publicly revealed. On September 9th, Charlie security team wrote to him, "Yes, law enforcement has been fully supportive and agreed to security plan and posture. Marles event will be covered by both my team and the campus PD. If additional support is required, patrol units will be available. I have 11 onsite. Charlie responded with this, okay, great. Remind them that they are there for one person's security only because I'm somewhat worried the left is trying to kill me." That was a message sent September 9th. We knew that there was always gonna be a threat, but Charlie and I always, we promised each other we would never live in fear. And he would say if they're gonna get me, they're gonna get me. But he was not messaging people the day before saying, "I'm gonna be murdered. They're coming after me. Someone's going to kill me." He didn't say that and I had so fun. So for those of you who watch this show, that was the original turning point USA send. That was the first episode that I did going after Erica and I explained to people that she was lying. I said she's lying. There's no way. that I know that this text message exists and that this text message was sent from Dan Flood and she doesn't. This is in December. This is in December that she's joining Glenn Beck, mid-December that she is joining Glenn Beck and asserting that she has his phone. And then turning point tried to claim, which we met days after because that's when I went, this is weird. Days after that is when Erica then came to Nashville and we had this summit and what she told me, which how Andrew was making a very, very bad mistake here. She said, "Well, it was on signal and the team's messages auto-delete on signal." And she didn't know. So, I guess Dan Flood didn't tell her. I guess Andrew Colvette, who was giving messages that he thought was relevant to the police, didn't think to give them a message that said the left is going to kill me, but particularly when we sat down, she was like, "Have you seen the message?" And I said, "No." And she said, "Oh, it said the left." And it was on signal. And I told you guys, that was a double lie. She lied again. The message was actually sent. And I message. Well, Andrew says he's going to be dropping this message because he actually didn't want to show the message for some reason. He wanted this big sort of weird opening where people are going to go, "And everyone just thought it was really strange, really strange for turning point USA to not have presented that message, which actually, if they really had a message that said this, their entire narrative has been the left to kill Charlie Kirk. Why wouldn't you share that?" It seems weird. Why didn't you share that with authorities when you were sharing messages? And Andrew was supposed to believe we didn't tell her for four months, but we told me in September. And Erica went on Glenn Beck to debunk me and say, "I was a liar." And now it's just looking real bad for turning point USA. So fingers crossed, guys, because I always have a surprise. Fingers crossed that Andrew was promised that he's going to release this on his show because he's got evidence actually does release that message, which is supposed to be on signal, but I know for a fact is on I message. So yeah. Anyway, moving on as soon as the actual debate begins, I sort of declined to do an opening statement because it was just weird that he did that. He had nothing to do with the debate claims, of course, it was just taking shots at Candace. The first thing he does is he concedes that there's a reasonable doubt that Tyler Robinson did this. He BD asks us explicitly what person has you put this at. And here is what Andrew Wilson says. Just had a curiosity. Are you between zero to a hundred? What is the likelihood that you think Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk and killed him? It's on the evidence right now, I don't know, I'd say 75, 85 percent. Okay. I win the debate. So I guess the evidence is not so overwhelming. We went from overwhelming to 75 percent. That's reasonable doubt. Let this man off. What? Who has ever been like, yes, 75 percent was overwhelming. Hey, how would you write that restaurant like 75 percent? I was overwhelmed with how delicious the food was and I put it at 75 percent. What are we talking about? Why are we here? And I realized that he didn't really know why he was here. He didn't have any sort of a debate strategy other than to lie with confidence. It was just amazing to me. How many times this man thought that he could just lie not only about things that were happening in the case, but also about what was happening currently in the room during the debate. We're sitting here and he just was like, I'm a wizard. I'm a wizard. I have a magic wand and I can just convince audiences they didn't or did just hear something that happened five seconds ago. It was bonkers. I mean, the amount of people that were like, this is a strong sign of somebody with narcissistic personality disorder to confidently lie and try to gaslight you. Take a listen to just two times he did this. You wrote the car pulling in. That's a totally blur image. Robinson getting out of it. You have no idea if that's Tyler Robinson. The fact that he is seen four other times on camera. The fact being just a standard white boy with brown hair was getting walking up staircase. The DNA on the roof, we should discuss that. And on the screwdriver that he left behind, it's overwhelming, man. Yeah, but that's not an exhaustive. We'll just so we're clear. You did tweet it. But it's not exhausted. Five seconds ago. You said I only said this one thing and said that that was overwhelming actually. That's not what I said. It is. You can even pull your own plan. Can you fact check if that was said or not? I did not hear or say that thing. You listed on your own Twitter that what you found to be convincing was something that looked like his car pulled into the driveway, a blurry image. No, I didn't. The standard white guy coming up the steps that could literally be anyone. This never happened. For you though, to say that anybody's a girl boss, right? That's like the point. That came out of black. It came out of your mouth. No, that was you. You brought up girl boss. Girl boss came out of your mouth to bizarre criticism like nobody's in the bigger girl boss position than you. I'm actually. You're in the biggest of the girl boss positions like you don't have to do this. You just do do this. You could definitely not do it at all and be fine. You literally came out of his mouth. I never said girl boss. I was just answering and asking him to explain away how he shifted his position. Now, he suddenly supports Erica being a CEO and then he started bringing up a girl boss. He did this so many times. It was stunning. People were just going, maybe he has amnesia. Maybe it's not a strategy and he has amnesia, but just assert something with such confidence and to keep lying over and over again was just shocking to me. We were probably less than an hour into it when I realized, by the way, that he was not okay because I wanted to address that. His bizarre strategy of public gaslighting and he again, wrongly, but ever confidently filled in the wrong blank when I said, are you and this actually ended up being one of my favorite moments? Take a listen. You didn't mention that I mentioned the screwdriver, DNA, all these other things. You'd never mentioned any of that. So no, you're actually incorrect there. But on top of that, moving over to the actual evidence, are you? Are you? Yes, I'm okay. I was actually honest. You're okay. Yes, I'm fine. I'm glad you were asserting that you're okay. I wasn't worried about your health. Really don't think by that time he was okay. It was already apparent to me that he was kind of coming apart and he didn't really have an argument and it was very obvious that he did not watch the preliminary hearing or any hearing for that matter. This is why he could not comprehend the contradiction of him claiming and calling people conspiracy theorists. You're a conspiracy theorist and it's because of the way that you're looking at evidence. You're making inference, inference is off of that evidence. That's his whole thing. You couldn't comprehend the hypocrisy of that. But in fact, he was doing the exact same thing. If all of his evidence was being derived, which he thought was overwhelmed, was being derived from a hearing wherein the prosecution was doing just that, looking at evidence and interpreting it. However, they wanted a blurry image of a white man with brown hair. I think that's Tyler Robinson. Okay. I think that's not Tyler Robinson. He calls one effect and the other one a conspiracy theory. This was the whole point of a hearsay of the hearsay Utah 11.02. If he had watched how many times they discussed this 11.02 rule, it was basically like, yeah, we allow this at this stage, it's probative. He would have understood why I was pointing out this hypocrisy. He quite literally could not grasp that concept in a way that was frustrating for me and so much that I had to tell him, I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. We all have our professional limitations. This is one of mine. It's like being in a class and you just have that one student that's not grasping something that seems to the rest of us to be a really easy concept that he's going, I don't understand. Why do you keep saying it's here? What is 11.02? What is this? What does it matter? Because this grants us all the ability, whether inside or out of the courtroom, to look at evidence and then to infer our apartment evidence effects, that's what people are doing in any court case, actually, both sides are doing that. They're just, they're in dispute. One side is saying, I infer this. One side is saying, I infer the opposite and here is the evidence. And the jury makes a decision. Anyway, it was very clear to me that because he was weak on the case and didn't know anything, he wanted out of debating the evidence altogether. He didn't want to talk about the degraded prints, who says, so what? So what? What do you mean so what? I'm trying to tell you why there is just as much evidence here, that evidence that you say is enough to say that he did it, to say that he was stuck as a patsy. I'm trying to prove my claim, but he said, nope, let's go to a new face. And it was, the next phase was very reminiscent to me of when you learn a new vocab word and you just want to use it. It was like a term he had just learned yesterday or something and that term was positive evidence. But if I keep saying it, people at hold will think I'm really smart and intellectual. And frankly, it just came across as bizarre, like this is just a little, a little bit of him saying positive evidence. Let's talk about the foreign legion. Sure. It was the foreign legion. Do you believe trying to kill you? Yes, that's why I reported it to the correct officials in government. That's what I was told. And I handed over that information to Tulsi Gabbard's office. What's your best piece of evidence for that? Well, it was positive evidence. This would be at a professional limitation for me to then go and probe that information that I handed over. I can't do that. I'm not going to have any positive evidence. I don't you can you just stop it's actually just like annoying to hear you keep saying positive evidence. Do you have any positive evidence whatsoever that Israel killed Charlie Kirk that he stopped and ate at Chick-fil-A, which if you are Intel, GBTQ issues wouldn't be your lunch before you go kill Charlie Kirk for LGBTQ issues because, you know, they have positive evidence. We cannot say for certainty that Israel called the shots and this is how it happens, but it is definitively I think a thread that a lot of us would like to call positive evidence. Don't you think that like tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people would want to know what can just own positive evidence why it is that Israel and France were involved in the most traumatic public assassination of Gen Z's lifetime is she had no positive evidence Israel's involved in anything, no positive evidence that France is involved in anything, no positive evidence TPU essays involved in anything, no positive evidence that Erica Kirk is involved in anything? Genuinely like it was maddening I just like could you just stop saying that term you do not sound smart just you don't need positive evidence for your opinion you just don't you're like hey I think chicken sandwiches are better than cheeseburgers but what's your positive evidence but why I just I just think that well what's your pot and you have to have positive evidence how would I have to have positive evidence for me receiving a threat and me taking it to the authorities because you imagine if the world works like that like you receive a threat and and someone's like hey you should know if this person's plotting to kill you and you go to the police station and you're like here here's here's the person who told me this he's gonna kill me and the police like what's your positive evidence my positive evidence I'm reporting the threat officer I like I don't know how I want you to do your job now and go figure out if this is viable they're telling this well what's your positive my positive evidence is me coming to you with the evidence that I have and expecting you to investigate it because that's your duty I mean that limitation I was really funny I what I saw me I think we're going to actually show it later of people just being like does he think that the the if you think the FBI is involved and you think that they plan this assassination that the government's going to help you find the positive evidence for this stuff like well JFK I guess it was all above board because you have to have positive evidence and only the CIA can give you that positive evidence and they've blacked out the documents so you just can't you can't speculate about it uses bonkers and yeah I'm allowed to think what I think about Erica Kirk I think she's suspicious and then I remind him I flipped the script and I say well what's your positive evidence for you having asserted as he did before he went to turning point USA headquarters in May he tweeted that he thinks that Erica Kirk is too retarded to kill her husband and so I'm like well what's your positive evidence for that you are you allowed to just have opinions and then he's like oh I'm allowed to have opinions and he says he thinks that all women are are retards and sure if you you're sitting across from that you're paying a hundred thousand dollars an hour to speak to I don't think anyone's walking away thinking that women are dumb in this situation that's my opinion I have no positive evidence but I think most people walked away and thought you were the idiot anyway next he dated what he was obviously censored you and you could just see his whole posture is changing he's not feeling confident he realizes he just said the words positive evidence too many times nobody cares I want to think she're brilliant and it's quite annoying and then it moves to the space where it's very obviously that he is trying to entrap me in a lawsuit by getting me to complete sentences in a way that would fall into legal defamation right he's asking me and he's surprising me and this is very Stephen Crowder coded like to have clips just to you guys on the background we told them if you want to send us clips ahead of time and as you saw we had no clips planned we just said we just want fact checkers in there because there may we may arrive at certain points where we dispute what we're saying and rather than going back and forth with like yes they did say this or yes she did or Kathy Nessor did we can just ask them to do a quick back check and because a lot of information going on in this case and sometimes you just genuinely forget things as I did genuinely I didn't accuse him of lying I said I don't remember the text about the surveillance thing can we get a fact check on that and we did that that was the purpose of having fact checkers never did I imagine of course because he didn't share who his team was or I maybe would have considered it that he was but he really spent his time doing all I was prepping for the debate he was prepping to try to do some gotcha clips and to come in as Erica Kirk's lawyer yes she he I'm not with turning point USA but if I got to get you on record with defaming turning point USA and he did this in a way that could not have been more obvious of trying to sort of trick me into a lawsuit take a listen do you have any evidence that Erica Kirk or TPSA participated in the murder of Charlie Kirk I've never said they participated in the murder of Charlie Kirk so how could I say that I have evidence they participated in the murder of Charlie Kirk okay so then you don't believe that they did I never have said that statement so I'm not going to get you to ask me personal questions about things that I've never said on record okay that officer the first officer that was up on the roof do you remember his name officer badly yeah what was his first name Christopher Christopher when Christopher got up on the roof you talk a lot about how his camera died well he talked a lot about that yeah camera died yeah do you think that he planted that screwdriver up there no no who do you think planted it I if we're just going on my in my laptop opinion of course at this stage I would say that I I don't buy his assertion on the stand that he didn't check to see if anybody went on to the rooftop before he got up there I do think that it's possible it's at least plausible that the the screwdriver was planted I don't believe him what I can say strongly is that his cam died at just the right time his body cam died just the right time I think that as you were just grilling me about whether or not it's not the merchant receipt for a debit card that kind of makes difficult that we just have to sort of trust that a screwdriver was found and we don't have any should be evidence of a police body cam that right there is why it is impossible for me to think that Erica Kirk is not complicit somehow because what that those two thoughts actually don't even follow how would it be the case that even if Erica Kirk did believe that Tyler Robinson was 100% responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk let's say she believed it with every fiber of her being believed all the evidence because she did she just actually did when it didn't follow that somehow she's complicit in his death I didn't say implicit in death you added those two words okay it's what she complicit in yes look at his face you could just see it you could just see the dishonesty there right so what she complicit it's like that sentence was so planned that was so planned complicit in his death that's how we were discussing we were talking about the facts Erica I forgive him implies that Tyler Robinson is guilty Tyler Robinson is up for the death sentence and when you are someone who is going around signaling to the public that this person did it and we assume that you have more evidence you've seen something which was the broad assumption as I explained and it comes to find out that you had nothing different than the public had people are going to go this feels wrong this feels like wrongdoing like you're you you're potentially you know getting a jury could it could be a jury to believe that this is the person who committed murder and the consequence he will face is death so I could just see that move there if that was so daily wire coated I would say they love lawsuits they love legal entrapments that's what that felt like to me and I could sense it from a mile away and then I could sense that he was growing frustrated that I would not take the bait I'm smarter than that and I then called him out for having played three Erica clips like in a row you're sitting here saying you're not here on behalf of turning point USA but you start with an opening text that only turning point USA could have given you that they have not given to the public and now you're playing three clips in defense of our yeah that then led to because he started getting agitated that I didn't take the bait so he's like failed on one he's failed on two that then led to the internet's most awkward silence where he just says that I'm not allowed to speak and by the way because he lies with confidence people who were watching this thought that there must have been something contractually that prevented me from speaking or allowed him to pepper questions at me both are false that's what makes us especially funny there's absolutely no contract clause that I allowed him to send me four deposition because I refused it immediately I was like that's just sounds crazy and there was no contract clause that suggested that I couldn't ask him questions at any point in our discussion not even kind of sort of he was just genuinely coming apart and growing really antsy and he lies with so much confidence that the internet just assumes like no there must be something no I I there was nothing here's that painful painful internet silence yeah I mean can I ask a question I know it's been or like can I ask a question are we not really we're just gonna okay we're going to hold to the actual contract itself the contract does does not say that you are allowed to just question me without me being able to respond to you I've never said you can have a conversation and you've been able to respond every question of asked you and by the way the the other thing is it's like let's have it your way I wanted to look like still happy everything Andrew wanted to so that people can fairly assess the situation so you have it your way I will not ask a question totally fair with me so you good would who're asking a question >> He said no. >> Waitin' for the clip. Okay. So you want to wait for the clip first. Okay. You guys have it in the back. Okay. Beautiful. You need to keep your team told me they had it. So that's what I heard. Okay. There we go. Come on, guys. I think it was so painful. So what I think happened was because I called him out. I said, like, you have four Erica Kirk's and he was like, I wasn't four MPB. He's like, it was three. I think what happened was they had another Erica Kirk in Q. And then they just abandoned it. They just were like, we can't run this. And so then they ran this totally irrelevant. What was supposed to be a Lance bomb, but I naturally corrected myself very early on in our discussion. And I didn't realize that he was plotting this as some like big explosion. Like, kid has got it wrong. They never officially said that Lance's DNA was on the rightful. And so they just kind of played that and it was weird. And I allowed it. I totally allowed the silence because a, never gotten the way of your opponent when they're making a mistake. It was such a completely nutty thing to say and to do. No, I'm just going to wait for the clip. You can't say anything. And it was a lie. And I thought, let him do this because it's just going to demonstrate his emotional instability that he is trying to assert control because he knows that he's lost it. Also, I was not going to argue with him about a non-existent contract clause and waste energy. I mean, the out, just debate about the contract seemed ridiculous. And lastly, if you consider it, I made $418.63 during that 16-second silence. What was there to complain about? You want me to be quiet? What do you, okay? Okay. I got you. I'll be silent. It's a lot of money to make, to be quiet. Then came the most viral moment after he permitted me to speak again after the clip was a nothing burger. And it happened accidentally. Okay. So I felt bad that viewers had to listen through him, sipping for Erica for so long. We had agreed to discuss this case. I, as you know, had said to him, we should discuss the screwdriver. We should discuss the towel. And I tried to then change the topic back to the case. And I made the wrong assumption that Andrew Wilson had read the last filing, the filing for dismissal, which dropped two days before our debate. And my positive evidence for that assumption was that Andrew Wilson himself had tweeted about the filing as though it was helpful to his case. He tweeted about the filing and they were all lying about what the filing was. And here he retweeted somebody else who said, skimmed it. The Tyler Robinson defense defense is on absolute life support. And then he broke back, picked a hell of a week. So I was like, obviously, he must have read this filing. And I read through the filing and I'll just show you. As I do with everything for those of you guys who've been following me since the Blake thing, marked it up, took notes and thoughts. There were some really compelling arguments here. So I like came prepared that we were going to discuss the most recent filing as one of his wrong talking points that the Tyler Robinson admitted to the text messages being real or one thing or another. So I also just sort of thought that even if he didn't read the book, he would have at least read the last chapter before taking the exam. You know what I mean? Every person knows that if you're going to try to BS and pretend that you read the book, you better read the last chapter in case a character dies before you try to write an essay, right? And I was wrong. I was floored when I saw him again do that obvious tell of his false provato. He just lies of course. The manner that this man lies, it should be taught in a psych course. I've never seen anything like it. And I just recognized it. Now I was familiar with his style when I asked him which charge specifically he thought Tyler Robinson was guilty of. It was because I wanted to make sure I didn't make an assumption that he was more flexible in other areas as we as we dove into this recent filing. And he when he did the false, of course, bring it up. I went, oh, he doesn't know any of them. And so this obviously became the most discussed moment. This man came in to debate Tyler Robinson's guilt and did not know guilty of what take a listen. Which one of the charges against or all of them do you think Tyler Robinson is guilty of? Do the specific charge? Yeah. Yeah. So I think what I think is that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. Yeah, but of the seven charges that he's being charged. Yeah, can we list them real quick? I'll tell you exactly which ones we'll pull them up. Well, do you know any of the charges these these up for right now? Yeah, of course, but I want to make sure that we have them listed. Yeah, but like that's, can you name one? Because my my general perspective is that you don't actually care about this case. You're not following. That's the that's the question. Yeah, but it seems pretty like if you're going to engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming that Tyler Robinson is guilty. I just think that you should all right. Can you tell me one? Then let's do the counter you can really hang out. This is a great. No, no, you just got to ask me play clips out of context, put me in the hot seat. So please just answer the question. Can you all seven since you've been following the case? Okay, sure. You name you name one. Yeah, your name's all seven. I'm happy to do that. But can you name one? I think he's I think he's been charged with murder. That's actually okay. Great. Now name all seven. He doesn't even this is like name all seven. And and I you name all seven. I can't do it. Sure. You don't have to do it. Now do it. I'll count them. Go ahead. You don't have to put your fingers up. I can't name them. Yeah, sure. Name them. Uh, the first charge is aggravated murder because that's what carries death sense to say to you. No, that's not that is literally not murder. Okay. And so just for people. No, don't I don't have to do it in a time limit. There's nothing going on. And just to explain people the difference of why that really matters and shows that he doesn't actually care about this at all is because aggravated murder. Uh, it's it's narrowly defined and because it carries a death sentence. I'm not. I'm going to answer the question. Okay. I'm waiting. You're just going to recognize that your strategy of thinking that people are intimidated when you try to put a time constraint doesn't work. And you'll be better the next time. I got it. I got it. Give me give me the other ones. The more you cut me off, a longer I'll take. Do you want to just wait for me to finish up? Why that's a big difference? No, I just want you to list the charges. Yeah. I'm going to do that. You just don't get to pretend that there's a time constraint for me to do that. Well, how long does it take you to list seven charges? I'm speaking. You just got to sound like you're just delaying it because you don't know. I know all seven of them. And I'm going to say again, because like you're going to get embarrassed. I you don't have to rush this. I'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate strategy. I actually want to know time constraint. I got one. Great. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. The next two charges are for obstruction of justice. Okay. The next two charges are for witness tampering and the final. This is specific charges though. That is them obstruction of justice, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, witness tampering. Okay. And there's no other specifics to them. Well, I can tell you why he's being. No, no, just the charges and then seven. Yeah. See, it's a bad thing is when you try to be an A hole and it doesn't work. What's the seven? The last charge is violence in front of a minor. Okay. Got it. So then he's being charged with murder. Shook. Shaken. I mean, like, it's just I can't even imagine what it must be like. I mean, I know his wife is equally as bad, but just it's just a liar. Like why say, of course, why not just say, I actually don't know the specific charges, which would have been crazy, but he then he just, it's this false profile. This is how he debates. He just lies confidently and just lies. And then when you recognize it and you call him out on the lie, he falls apart and he starts sticking more and more and more into the chair, sweating, develop some things in his teeth. You know, and I just that entire personality of a man just could never, it could never drive with me like, I would never for a single second be intimidated by that because it's like I said, false profile. There's nothing here that's remotely intimidating. You're just an idiot dressed up as some like blood sport debater, bro. There's nothing weaker than not just saying, oh, I don't know that I would like to know what the answer that is. And I was hoping we would actually be able to have that constructive dialogue. I was upset that we could not spend more time discussing this case. And once that happened, he was, he was completely deflated. I mean, Andrew Wilson was very lost and it was almost like he had to remember things they wanted him to bring up. It was very obvious that his foot just wanted out. I think his foot wanted to tell the truth. The foot was just, it wanted out. They're like, oh, the foot holds the truth. You know, Andrew lies, but the foot just doesn't want to be there. His boo, he was literally shaking in his boots. Some I don't know what was going on there. And he couldn't kind of regain any sort of composure. I didn't understand anything he was getting at beyond that. He started that bizarre inquisition about my show's timeline, demanding to know why it was my show's official timeline. And why I had included Tyler Robinson in language, eating a steak. He, I don't know if he's just averse to organization. Like I love organizing, timelines, makes sense to be. I love highlighting them. I love putting timestamps. I'm very proud of that. I don't know what he was getting at. He just wanted to know. I'm like, I spoke to the owner. The owner told me that he pulled the receipts. That it was Tyler Robinson's receipts. And so I included this on my timeline. And then the receipt that was shared was the real receipt. And then he's like, well, why didn't you ask the merchant? Like he's like, this is still on evidence. You got to, you got to, you got to call visa and master card. I mean, take a listen to what he said. It was so absurd. Well, the reason I'm asking you is because you always include it in your timeline that he traveled to the steak. Yeah. We've been building a timeline with things that we feel are-- But is there any actual evidence? We've all 11.02 approved. I think speaking to the owner, knowing that there's a receipt, seeing the receipt is good enough to put on our timeline. But the receipt itself, the question I always had about it is, couldn't you just call the merchant, like five ever had a merchant account? I just call the merchant account processor and say, what's the name on this? Yeah, I would stay tuned. I feel that the, haven't spoken to the owner, that the evidence is compelling enough to put onto my personal timeline of what took place on that day. That's where it's going to stay. And if it gets debunked, I'm happy to take it off. If that's what you mean, that's how an investigation works. Like I said, I did more than enough. It would definitely pass the test by the Utah 11.02 rule, for sure, for certain. To be submitted is here, say. Yeah, beyond that, because they didn't even have receipts. They were like, Bob told me that. But the question is, the receipt itself, it has not been verified to have been Tyler. Yeah, I just want to say you're holding me to a higher standard than you are. I'm not even holding you. I'm just asking specifically. Yeah, I've been very forthcoming. I've told exactly what happened. I spoke to the owner. I got the tip. So should that be added in an official timeline that you get? It's in my timeline. It's my show. And we can add and subtract what we want. And we do. If we can do what you want, sure. But I'm asking, should you include a thing that you know hasn't actually been verified to be Tyler Robinson? Yes, you should if we're trying to build a timeline, you should, yeah. You don't think that that falls under. And then you should remove it if you if someone somehow debunks it. But I think that the there is very strong evidence that that is where he was. And that what's the strong evidence? Just the two people who said that they saw. You know, I'm actually all good with be I could have sufficiently answered your question about how I got the information, what happened next, with the next stage of this investigation being somebody accessing his knowing what his debit card wasn't confirming it. Yes. It will happen. And if it does not happen, it gets debunked. I'll remove it from my personal timeline that I share on my show. He's like the first person account of the server saying that he served him. They contacted the FBI. He shared his experience. He recognized Tyler Robinson on the news. He gave an interview, the owner. I spoke to him. He said he's like that. None of that is positive evidence. I'm legitimately held to a higher share than the FBI. Meanwhile, we got the lead investigator on the case up there and they're asking him during the preliminary hearing, how did you know that the maroon person walking up the stairs was the same person as the individual who was wearing the black shirt later that day. And he says they were both wearing converse sneakers. Andrew says that's compelling tweets that that's a part of the overwhelming evidence. Okay. Did you call Visa and Mastercard beyond speaking to all of these people beyond the receipt? Did you call to confirm with the merchant that this was in fact the Tyler Robinson who was up. No, actually, I haven't done that. But you know what? My timeline is going to stay in my timeline. I'm proud of my timeline, a very organized person. My pantry is very clean. I love the container store. I use label makers for everything, even my seasonings in my cabinet. I have label makers in my refrigerator so I will not allow you to tell me about how my timeline should be organized. That's what I want to say. I was lost it there. So Rubin Moms who have organized pantries stand up. At the end of the day, I am so embarrassed for turning point, USA, I cannot imagine that Erica hugging this person. I've got to show you guys more clips and he is literally disgusting, right? They thought this guy was going to be able to take me down. I was trained by Charlie Kirk and they sent me Andrew Wilson, but I will say on a positive note, it was bittersweet because it was just amazing to remember all of those things that Charlie told me not to do, not to fall for it. Don't start attacking him personally. I did not engage in that. He opened with that ad hominin attacks against me, remembering to always oversuddy. I took it very seriously, obviously I was not planning got your clips, but I was marking up filings, reminding myself, rewatching the preliminary hearing, going back to the timeline to remind myself because so much has transpired obviously in 11 months. And Charlie used to always tell me that you see people get crushed in these sorts of debates who are overconfident and then there's just like the one kid who asks the question that throws them off and it goes viral. So never underestimate your opponent. I know what to expect and I didn't, I obviously not expect that he was just going to be one of these weird middle aged men with gotcha clips. I thought he was genuinely going to read at least one of the case volunteers and one of the charges, but it was, like I said, good to go through that again and to be studying and to do the thing that he said with the note cards, I did every single thing that Charlie told me to do and to stay calm when they're trying to poke you, be aware of people that are trying to put you into these sorts of legal traps and it genuinely, when it concluded, we were just like cheering. We were so happy, bitter sweet, obviously, because I never thought in any of that learning with Charlie that it would one day be me debating someone that his organization clearly sent, but such is life. 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Genuinely, he performed so badly, like not even the Neocons would touch it. The best they could do for Andrew Wilson was to say it was unwatchable. No one, I couldn't even watch it. I couldn't even watch it. So it doesn't even matter how anybody did and everyone who was backing him to sort of backed off immediately and they're doing their best, but they can't pretend. The memes have been exceptional. From the left and from the right, they have been exceptional, mocking him. It's amazing to see. This man is not a conservative, by the way, I'm so sick of these want to be like sea list people that come out and then just call themselves conservatives, but obviously live their lives in a way that is anything but their complete frauds. I'm going to go through some of my favorite memes. Andrew first off coming out and declaring that he won by asking not chat GPT. He asked Claude and Claude told him since every poll that he didn't win with humans, he then went to Claude and jumped up a conversation, I guess, and Claude told him he really was the winner. He really was the winner. Everyone who's a human didn't like you, but the robot community loves you and he tweeted this every AI source. will say I won. This was never in question. Specific AI programs built for this purpose. The action is up getting a fact check on this and people explain that it's just AI scraping from establishment sources. And we all know the establishment is behind dirty boy USA. But this is just the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. He literally crashed markets, by the way. During the debate, I didn't know that polymarket had odds on whether or not Tyler Robinson would be convicted. And during the debates, the odds crashed. That represents our debate day where you see that line going down. That is how poorly he performed. Tyler Robinson, because of homicide, dropped into the 30s. I think it hit 34% during our debate, which was positively hilarious. But the, I'm going to show you some of my favorite memes. So you might have seen on a thumbnail. If you are not following this account, I think it's where forbidden clothing is the at handle. I want to make sure I get that correct. They are so funny. For years, I actually, I've been following them. They are so funny. With this video that they created this AI video, which went viral this weekend, and which is represented as I said on my thumbnail, just tickled me so much of Erica calling in Andrew after that abysmal performance. Take a listen and a watch of this. Wait, wait, I can't explain. Shabbat Shalom, Andrew. What? We invested a lot in you. I was having nicotine withdrawal. The chair was uncomfortable. I barely slept. My foot was silence. She asked you to name one of the seven charges. We said positive evidence 47 times. It was a framework. 47 times, Andrew. Bring me the jar. No, please, not the pickles. Jar is wide shut. Just to correct that, the handle is at where forbidden on X. The reason why it's Jar is wide shut is because this goes back to a moment where he was being disrespectful to a woman who couldn't open a jar. I think it was actually of olives or pickles on the whatever podcast. He was smoking a cigarette and then they said, okay, then you open it and he couldn't open it. So now he's kind of called pickle boy. And that again, his false provodel all the time is what gets him into these circumstances. I absolutely loved that. I also loved the stages of grief. Everybody griefs differently. So he's grieving by first talking to Claude. The five stages of debate grief. This is from at alpha approved. They write denial. I totally won that debate. Number two, anger. That was rigged, biased, unfair. That's actually going to happen with his wife. Number three, bargaining. Okay, maybe I lost but Candace is worse. Number four, depression. Why do I even debate? And number five, acceptance, which will come, which will say he will come out and say, all right, maybe I should have prepared. Maybe I should have known one of the charges. We are at phase one. And we are also at phase two, which I can give you an example of his wife trying to suggest that we maybe rigged the mic pieces is crazy. Okay, I have a one in my ear right now. It allows us to hear what the producers are saying. As I told you, his guy Rob, who was very professional and kind. So no shade to rob was sitting next to them. And that's why he was saying could you pull a clip or whatever. His team was right next to my team. And these earpieces do not work beyond 15 feet out of out of the control room. So they just and Andrew will tell you that every time he got up, he had to reset it. They don't work. So there's no one else that could possibly be talking in your ear because of the structure of our walls. So anyway, Rachel, response, who is his like horrific wife responds to somebody trying to pretend that I was receiving intel on that last question because they're still coping over this was Candace Owens being fed answers, something about the debate caught my attention. Both Candace and Andrew appeared to be wearing in ear monitors. So what are these actually used for? And you kind of go through all this. I literally turned these people into a conspiracy theorist by the end of it. He started off by calling us conspiracy theorists and then by the end of it, he was going through my phone and thought that I was texting people for answers. That's amazing. That's a flawless victory. That's a flawless victory to end it with him suggesting a conspiracy where what I was actually doing when he came back in the chair because I barely got up. I literally only got up one time. That entire he went up every break. I did not get up. I was tweeting. You guys saw me tweet right before that. I sent one tweet. I texted nobody during the entire debate because I was focused. I was locked in, but then I was like, I'm gonna set a funny tweet because I feel pretty confident on this. And when he came back, he saw me doing that and thought that I texted someone, which is very funny. And guess what? The answer to a conspiracy theory. I demonstrated for him. Here's my phone. It's answered the question. Make the person feel comfortable. You don't have to go crazy. And it's the one thing turning point USA does not want to do at all is answer any questions. They just want to send these debate bros, I guess, out. But this was absolutely hilarious that I thought that meme was fantastic. We also created our own meme because I used to be anti turning point USA shows, but he's different. I don't want anybody referring to Andrew Wilson as a paid show. Andrew Wilson's on a page show. This is like the Drizzy meme, TPUSA sending paid shows not cool. TPUSA sending shows that pay. We're with it. We're with it. Send to more a turning point. That's how you'll show him pay $100,000 an hour to be embarrassed genius. What a great idea. That's amazing. That's my new rate. $100,000. If you want me to embarrass you, he must be into that or whatever. Anyways, his wife had responded to that and pretended like tried to add to it. Like I know that they had head pieces, but I'm not really sure why they had these head pieces. I believe the contract stipulated that each of them was allowed to wear an earpiece. That's just a lie. Why do they lie so much? Why do they lie? All the time. No, the earpieces, which he and I were sharing left and right. We're just a producer. Our producers, we all heard the exact same thing and PBD had a direct line to them. Then this cope was hilarious because obviously Steven Crowder is somehow invested in this and, you know, just never growing up. And he, when he did the, I guess he was on the phone with Andrew Wilson right after the debate was speaking to him. He kind of tried to imply like one way that we tried to hurt him was by not providing him with hair and makeup because he looked like he was sweating. Like that was our fault or something. Take a listen to this absurd exchange. Did they Nixon, JFKU? Because she has a full stylist and makeup crew. Did they give you makeup? And like, no, no, no. You looked a little shiny. Yeah. I don't even know to say about it. It's just, it's like, first and foremost, we do not have, again, asserting something confidently and lying. I know they have wardrobe. We do not have, and nor have we ever had wardrobe. We do not have a full-time makeup artist. We do not have a full-time hair stylist. None of that. So in between takes, I take care of myself always. That's it. Everybody knows that my cousin does my hair. She's one that gives me the blowouts and takes care of my hair. People have known this for years. Since before I was even a podcaster, she hasn't taken care of my hair. And our makeup artist was actually off that day. She does a glam and go, though. So it's like in the morning, she comes in, and then she leaves. So this being a point, like, like as a PBD, somebody was coming out and flying in and making him look good and making me look good, that this is how much these people were coping. Like trying to find a conspiracy to make it seem like there was something that was not fair. If you look greasy, pull up a mirror. So I'm going out and having a cigarette and having a smoke and, you know, powder your own face. I don't know to tell you we're a small team and we're just not, we don't care about things like that. We don't want to spend a bunch of money on things to make ourselves feel important. And my favorite of the copes was his wife, conceding exactly what us conspiracy theorists have been saying since the very beginning is that actually the grifters are these people. You know, nothing about the case at all. They just want to go on TV and say, Oh, this person scared me. This person won't debate. They don't know anything. So she writes this long tweet. And it's right there in yellow. She says, of course, Candace, one of the details better. She and Miss, I knew the details better. She's been covering this day in and day out for 11 months and doing practical something else. Andrew had about six days to prepare. There's no way he was going to beat her on having more knowledge of the details. Goodness, Rachel. Wow. This is a wife that like, so she admits that I beat him on that. A, which stands against his eyeword, the debate. But also she admits he doesn't care about this. He walked into turning point USA headquarters in June and came out flashing around money and suddenly tweeting at me and attacking me because that's what they orchestrate at turning point USA headquarters. This is no longer a serious organization that cares about whether or not people are living their lives admirably. So it's no longer, I mean, it is crazy to me that if you just go through the clips and learning about Andrew and Rachel Wilson, that is just who they tied their horses to Mrs. who they're feeding information to, that any person would willfully donate to them, that any person would want their child to sign up for this conservative organization that is not representing conservative principles. My opinion, by the way, was my positive evidence for it? Andrew Wilson. Is that positive evidence? I don't know. What's what, what does it all mean? Can it be my opinion that turning point USA is a dumpster fire? Because that's what it is. I do want to dress this very quickly. I realize we are now way over time. I don't know if we're going to have time for book club because I didn't realize I had so many words to say, but people were randomly, as soon as I said I would take it. So first that she scared, she scared, she scared, there's money on the table. And that's what I'm doing wrong. I'm being scared and not taking the money. That I take the money, exactly what you offer is 200K. And I'm a bad guy because how could I take the money? These people are insane. They're just insane. There's no way to make them happy. They can't leave you alone and let you just investigate the case, 'cause you got the money's on the table. And then they chastise you for taking the money. And they were all instantly like, "Candace needs to establish a trust for agriculture." Like the people outside of Michael knows the people that I absolutely despise all saying this in units and that I need to donate this money and establish a trust for Charlie's children. And then people just randomly telling me what I should do with the money, like for example, this person, multi-millionaire Candace Owens should donate her victory money to Tyler Robinson's defense if she really thinks that he's innocent. Andrew Wilson put his money where his mouth is, why doesn't Candace? Like, I didn't offer Tyler Robinson publicly to go across things and say, I'm gonna to prove to people that I think he's innocent. I'm gonna give 300, but I never did that. I don't do that those sorts of things. That's not what I do. I'm that braggadocious and nor would any person who knows the least bit about finance be so stupid as to spend $300,000 to have a conversation with someone who debates for free. Always do my annual debates with Pierce Morgan. They're for free. Been debating all across college campus. I was doing that for free. I've had debates with Rabbi Schmooley, who I can't stand on Pierce Morgan for free. And so it's just so interesting that actually my entire life, all these people ever do, is message me kindly and respectfully and ask for a debate. No one has to throw money around. That's how it works. I've hosted debates. There's been no money involved. This is unique because Turning Point USA just hates me this much. And we're obviously Blake Neff and Andrew Colvett were retweeting him as he was going after me and offering more and more money. And now they think the solution to that is for me to open a trust for Charlie's children, which in a way, I know it's not, but it feels like money laundering, and the organization that's hunting me, you want me to then give the money to the person who'd be in control. That would, at first, of course, would be Erica. First of all, what I want to say is there is, there are a few things I despise more than fake altruism. People who do charity as a part of a PR program and not because it's necessary or needed. And Charlie Kirk's children have been multi-millionaires while he was alive, and that increased in his death. Many people open trusts raised money. The last thing that Charlie Kirk's children need are, is more money. But they need his stable parent. And unfortunately, I can't give them that, right? I can't give them that. Mom doesn't want to be home. Dad, I can't be home. And the one thing they need is not a bunch of influencers using them as a talking point. And suggesting that 300 more K could plausibly make a difference. And like I said, there's something about it that just feels icky. Like the very people who sent the person to hunt you are basically trying to create a peer pressure campaign for you to give the money back. That's not going to stand for me. And so instead, what I would like to announce that I do it with my money thus far, when I decided other than the fact that I did go to waffle house this weekend, is I'm going to take care of the people who took care of me. As this organization has fixated, sent influencers is a part and parcel of these group chats that are coming together, protect Erica Kirk, of people who have attempted to make our children feel unsafe, that they have gotten behind, retweeted, supported. I'm going to look out for those people. People like my sister, you want an organization that's going to get money from me. It's going to be the Catholic Church, the priests that took care of me emotionally when I was coming apart with the realization that Charlie and everything that he had worked for, he was being, he's been betrayed. He has, Charlie has been betrayed. Everybody can see that. You betray him every single day when you do these sorts of things. You betray who he was. You betray the friendships that he had. You lie constantly about who he was, about the things that he was thinking. I am not going to take any instruction from turning point USA, or any of their affiliates, or any of these neocondogs that they send out on what I should do with the money. It's just not going to happen. So yeah, I'm going to take care of my sisters. I'm going to give money to the Catholic Church and I'm going to decide what I want to do. That's it. You were the ones who offered the money. You were the ones who retweeted it. And so it's therefore mine. You can skip all of your fake altruism. Why don't you guys give more money to that organization? Because the direction that they're headed, I don't see that this is going to be an organization in 10 years down the road. I see it crashing and burning like everybody else does. And like I said, for the first time ever, the left and the right are united in their disgust for what this organization has become. And that was not a feeling that people had on the right, especially in the wake of the assassination. So you guys did this. 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This is where your second favorite shirt, if you've learned nothing from this podcast. To do bad stuff, you wear your second favorite shirt. Not your first favorite shirt. So we have some Dumber Tuts available on the website. And that is, of course, the easiest way to support us and support the work that we do and the investigation, which we can now refocus on, which was really none of their business at all. Why, turning point USA, doesn't want people investigating and exploring other leads in the Charlie Kirk assassination, boggles the mind. It really boggles the mind. Top comments from the great debate, go max everyday rights. Let me begin by reading this message from my sponsor, turning point USA. Yes, that is what it felt like. It was absurd. It had nothing to do with the debate claims. Know your sia, second message, 75 to 85% confident Tyler did it is literally reasonable. Now, I am so glad. I didn't even look at the comments when I produced this boldness that you guys clocked it as well. It's crazy that they just concede the entire debate right at the beginning. So yes, you have a right to pursue other leads. No, you do not have to reach out to visa and master card and speak to the merchant to do so. I want you guys to know that. I may guys have to, I didn't realize we were so over time on book clubs, so we may need to do that tomorrow. We're finishing the book and thank you to book club for allowing me to bump Friday to accommodate the great debate. Comment from today's episode, true detective rights, Andrew Wilson's rules, the debate, avoid knowing the facts of the case, pretend to be intelligent and qualified and don't mind that your left foot is nodding in agreement with Candace throughout the conversation. And question, when Andrew's wife makes him a sandwich as he expected to open the pickle bar to pickle char. I mean, that relationship is just audit space toxic. Like I said, you should go look at clips of their, like her disgusting mouth and the things that she says in the whatever podcast and how she speaks and they're branding themselves as orthodox Christians and he said on some stream that his wife went in and spoke to the executive's attorney point USA. That's why I say attorney point USA is just over. Like we can't, this Christian sia passed to end. We just have to stop pretending. Erica on her face is, I can't get a sentence out without saying the Lord, the Lord, the Lord. She's hugging Andrew Wilson. These are who has been brought into our organization and given money to train people to debate. I'm sorry, people are clocking that. I'm sorry. It's not positive evidence, but it feels like some evidence that the whole brand is fraudulent now. It feels like evidence that Turning Point USA is now essentially trying to sell people faux Christianity while they behave in just the most detestable way behind the scenes. And now it's in front of the scenes. Like I said, I can't wait for him to drop that message. The day I have themselves in a pickle with that message, he says he's dropping it this week. Do your thing, Andrew. Do your thing. We woke now right in the words of my grandmother. He don't know no better way to stay above the mock yes, I was just not going to meet him on his level. He came across his petty and just these men are too old for this. Like, you know what I mean? He's almost 50 degrees. He's almost 40. Like grow up. Be professional. What are you? What are you all doing? I'm just trying to help you. Defending Israel rather than your claim. It's us. People think it's suspicious because it is. You keep trying to force this Israel didn't do it narrative and the more that you do it, we go, "Mm." Just doesn't make sense. Trying to constantly emphasize this. The best way to prove Israel's innocence is to prove Tyler Robinson's guilt. And you fail to do that. People should be taking a look at the Israel narrative. We have a right to ask questions. We're going to continue to do that. True. I think I read that. Jenna. Oh, I think I did. I read that one as well. And I think I read them all. I think I'm good, actually. Seven cheats was the one I was missing. Seven cheats wrote. I can explain to you, but I can't understand it for you. Wow. We need merch. This will go down and debate history. Kudos to your bravery once again. But they must realize we are legion right behind you. God is with you. Thank you so much for you guys being with me. I think our audience actually grew. The platform got bigger. And it's because telling the truth. Also exercising humility is really important. And if you learn anything from this debate, like if you don't know something to say, you don't know what you're not required to be an expert at everything, I didn't even dive into it sounded crazy. When he said the bullet split in air and caused air. It felt like another one of his confident lies. But I wasn't going to pretend to be a ballistics. I wasn't going to pretend to be a ballistics expert on splitting bullets mid-air that creates air under your shirt. And I just trusted the internet. They will take a look at that. The hunters, the common sense people, we're going to go this man is once again lying boldly about that claim and sure enough, we've already seen videos of people just going, he's clinically insane. I had Air Force veterans messaging me being like, "I cannot believe he said this on your platform." And that's the point. This is how we grow. This is how we are, Legion. Because people go, "That is such an absurd lie to tell that I now have to look into what Cannes has been saying." And so many people then go back and they watch the content and they recognize the holes. And we are doing this because we know that everything is wrong with the Charlie Kirk narrative. Literally everything is wrong with this narrative. And like I say to you guys all the time, they're not going to get away with it. Positive evidence or not. I sense that we are getting closer to the truth and they're getting panicked. But here's what I will say. There has to be a consequence for turning point USA. There does. There has to vengeance does not belong to me. But the truth belongs to everybody. And you know there's something I do better than sentencing them to more truth. So get excited because tomorrow, we will be sentencing turning point USA to more truth. Which is what they want more truth and transparency, right? You send an absolute slob to my home to debate me, to disrespect me by not just being honest and forthright about who he wanted to bring here, to violate our rules of no filming where my children play. We drop more truth. That's it. That's all. I'm never going to say that. That's it. That's all. That's all. Anyway, that will be tomorrow. I am very already late on book club. Do we have, can we do it tomorrow's guy? Can we just check the calendar? I feel like I have, when am I doing? I think I have. I'm doing Dave Smith's show, right? That's it, noon. Okay, hold on, guys. I've got to get you on the calendar. Just give me a second. Once they cannot do. Yeah, but let's do Thursday. Yeah, because I think I want to, I want to pack going away with the husband for our anniversary. Number seven. I just casually have a conversation like that. Right. I'm going to do this. Yeah, I think we should do, we should do Thursday. Okay. Perfect. All right, you guys. Book club, people. I will see you on Thursday. Get excited, you guys, for tomorrow. I love when the punishment is more truth. Your punishment is more truth. Turning point, USA. We will see you guys then. [BLANK_AUDIO]