Behind the Brooding: Fresh Finds Podcast Season 4 Episode 4 W/ Manor Gates

fresh hello and welcome back to season four of the fresh finds podcast the show about discovering new music with good people i'm ryan and joining me this episode are the guys from the columbus ohio emo rock trio manor gates how are you guys doing wonderful good to hear good to have you guys on uh it was a little bit last minute this time around but you know we're we're we're good we're chilling now we're all set do you guys want to go around introduce yourselves and give a little bit of background on the band your work uh i'll start uh my name is griffin i play guitar and sing in the band and we've been a band since october 2021 i believe is that right i think so yeah so yes i'm jeremy and i play the drums oh shit that was it okay i love it nothing more than that i play the bass i'm gonna stick to the hard stop like jim jeremy whatever you want to call yeah so we call jeremy jim and we call matt hugh so you're gonna hear that a lot so all right so this is gonna be nice and confusing for anybody who doesn't know who the hell you are i like it i like it thoughts and prayers go out to anybody yes yeah so you mentioned that the band started in 2021 right that's when this version of the band started okay that way sure uh do you want to give me a little bit of background a little bit of history sure yeah so um so i've known matt for 12 years almost but uh me and him have been playing in bands together for that whole time on and off uh in columbus and cleveland and all that kind of stuff and then i took a break from music for a while and then started back up um sorry and all those bands i played you know either drums bass guitar you know i've done it all um but i wanted to get back into playing guitar and fronting a band so that was like 2019 ish started working with a drummer and uh we played around for a little bit then i joined another band that jeremy was in and played for that for a while and that band and at the end of that we both kind of looked at each other and said hey do you want to do that project you know i've been working on and we're like yeah so that was october 2021 where it was like hey let's try to get serious about this band and turn manor gates into something real and it was just me and jim for a while we had a bass player fill in for a couple shows and then we knew we needed somebody that we could you know that was reliable and could play the bass and you know somebody we were comfortable with and that's when i was like hey i gotta i gotta i gotta got played with for you know 10 years at that point so that's when we called up uh matt and you know started uh getting serious about it and uh yeah that was probably was that september yeah so somewhere in that time frame yeah yeah because we'd already released an ep before he before he joined the band oh okay so i i was actually gonna ask about that because i was like the the first ep that you guys put out in 2022 which was nothing changes except what has to that was before matt was in the band yeah yeah that was that was me and jim recording that um just the fill-in for our first couple shows uh just to round it out um ended up just not working out schedule wise so that's when we reached out to matt and said hey you know let's do the thing and he was in another band at the time so um i think he was trying to wind that one down too so it kind of worked out timing wise for everybody yeah honestly that's a at least to me a surprisingly fast turnaround from going do you guys do you want to get this project going again to having an ep out in like what around six months give or take me a little bit more uh yeah we recorded when did we record that was that january january of 2022 yeah so we were a band for like three months before we recorded that so that material was about three months i mean the songs were there but they weren't finished they weren't finalized let's put it that way gotcha and then like a majority of the guitar parts were already yeah the structure of the songs and stuff like that was already kind of put together it really just needed drums drums to them so yeah it was like a few practices we already had a couple of them already like laid out yeah i got six songs or something when jim came on board okay yeah and that was a four song ep it looks like right yeah yeah yeah okay cool that that's like i said that's surprisingly fast turnaround to me in hindsight yeah yeah so i'm i'm curious because since then obviously you started writing the songs before anybody else was really in on the project so much brooding which came out about six months ago now last year yeah uh crazy to think about isn't it yes yeah but moving on to that has the the songwriting changed quite a bit and become a lot more collaborative since bringing in everybody else or is it still primarily you kind of coming up with with the riffs and the lyrics and then everybody else coming in and adding stuff later uh so when we were writing so much brooding matt wasn't in the band yet so i so i ended up recording the bass for the full length as well so yeah we ended up me and jim wrote all of so much brooding together um matt was around for i think the last year or so and i was in the band for the first time in like three songs we wrote for the album something like that i um i was on the tail end of it and like i sat in a couple of the writing sessions with you guys but at that point it made more sense just for you guys to keep going full steam ahead than me trying to make it work um time like between everything i i think it i think it worked out great that way i think that was i don't have a big enough ego to be like i want my bass on it like i i think the the finished product is is really what matters so i think it came out great oh yeah no it was definitely one of i don't remember where i put it on my list but it was definitely in my list of top 10 lps of the year one of my favorites for sure um do you want to give a little bit more background on that record and kind of uh like the writing process or anything interesting about specific songs or like kind of what the record means to you i'm gonna let jim talk for a minute but i i could probably say a lot of stuff about it but i'm gonna let jim go jim go first right on yeah i think so you know with how i mean you brought up something that's that was like kind of key in that like how the quick turnaround with the first ep i mean we were just trying to get get established start getting getting out there putting things together because i i i really like the way riff kind of laid out the songs for that so there wasn't really too much thought for me other than you know making the drums drum so uh too much brooding was um i mean from the initial times that we started you know writing a lot of the songs i mean we just really wanted to establish you know the sound that we wanted to go for i mean probably some of my favorite uh like writing sessions i've ever had with like another musician it seemed like every every time that we like got together for for practice and we're writing things or like putting together parts of songs we just got more and more hyped on what we were where we were getting with it i love that it was yeah like it's my favorite favorite music that i've ever been a part of and some of the most fun i've ever had writing music with somebody just every aspect of it was seamless like there was both of us love feeding off of each other and love collaborating with each other so to me it's just to me it's the real establishing of what what we were trying to do what we're trying to do musically sure i don't know it it's just it will forever be one of the things i always uh think about with you know any other musical endeavor i'll be like well i don't know if it was like during that session so well it was really cool like third perspective kind of like looking in at it because i would listen back to their their sessions because essentially like i i live in cleve when they live in columbus so i i would drive about two hours to go practice with them prior to a show so maybe once twice a month but they would still be practicing every week and i would be trying to learn new songs just off of you know whatever room demos are doing what's really cool is like they'll just record the entire session it'll be like 25 minutes of them just fucking around on like three riffs and i'm used to the structure of like hey i'm coming in with a verse chorus outro you know here's the general structure but like it's literally them just like yo that part was kind of sick let's do that again and like it's it's exactly what like jeremy said is like you can hear over 25 minutes them get hyped and a song evolved from just griffin playing like almost something on accident or like predetermined and then like jim comes in with a sick drum fill and it's really cool watching it evolve in real time basically yeah like it it sounds natural even listening back to it it's really weird um but you know it was cool even for me watching it happen yeah there's only one song on the record we didn't write together like i didn't show i didn't show jim ahead of time i mean he eventually wrote the drums to it but like i basically completed it without him hearing one of the riffs on it for sure yeah which but that was even like another fun aspect of just because i've never got an experience where somebody actually like pretty much had like showed me a final like structure for a song that i was like hey i no notes no notes 10 out of 10 no notes it's gonna leave get in the car i like it but uh yeah like i to piggyback on what matt was saying like even now if you go back and listen to which i don't know if you've done this at all recently griff but if you go back and listen to some of our practice sessions during that that time period you can you can like literally hear the moment in time when like a certain part was created or when we were like hey hey griff i like you i like what you're doing it's really interesting it was seriously so fun yeah i've learned especially writing with jim and i've written with so many different people including matt but what i've stopped doing with this band is coming to coming with a full idea because by the time if i do that and play it in front of jim it's going to change like because he's going to hear it differently and i'm going to go oh shit that was cool let me do this instead and like so i just come i'll make riffs that i'm like hey these are good enough to start a you know session together but like i don't write full songs anymore and we haven't done collections of riffs in the same key in same tempo yeah i mean that's really that's obvious and sometimes i mean sometimes well i don't have anything and he'll just start playing and i'm like hey that sounds sick so i mean we've written many a song like that too i mean it's there's never really an agenda except for the song that we wrote uh or that i wrote without him which i think was for the first time again i think that was the one i did completely by myself oh really the the intro to the whole record laughing no because i played the laughing riffs in front of jim before like those riffs oh okay those riffs weren't new the the version of those riffs were newer but like laughing had started as something way more upbeat like those riffs but the reason i wrote for the first time again or the decision we made was like i wanted we didn't have an intro like we wanted to make yeehaw the intro but i'm like i don't think that's the right way to start the record even though it's a sick song uh yeah but for the first time again like the idea was like let's write a two and a half minute song that incorporates the whole record into one song so that was the goal was i was like all right let me take some of the riffs some of the ideas some of the vocals and like just do it all in two and a half minutes and the riff that starts the record is very similar to the riff that ends the record too the riff and toe tags is it's not in the same key or anything but it's like it's a very similar pattern so that was kind of intentional to be like hey let's let's kind of bridge the record together with this opening track and that's one of my favorite songs on the record now so it worked out well but yeah jim heard it once and was like i got it so i do think it's a great establishing shot for the record because it feels like it's got a lot of the a lot of the themes and a lot of the sounds it really kind of like i don't know if it i don't think it's the strongest song on the record but i think for where it is it's perfect because it kind of like establishes what everything else is about which i i really like a lot and i i think that just kind of having good pacing for a whole record like that is such a huge aspect so i i really like respect that decision to be like we need an opener you know yes it was it was intentional and it was we stressed over the the track order and everything else but yeah i mean i didn't realize i was writing a concept record until we were done with it but like that's kind of what it ended up being and especially with those those lyrics and how it all kind of worked out so i think it was exactly what we wanted and we didn't even know it at the time so yeah and uh just to talk more about that song too just from like i think you know griffin i and matt too uh have all been doing a lot of work on that and i'm doing this for a long time but we like the main reason that we like griffin i wanted to start the band was we don't feel like we ever got the chance to really go all the way in on something with a musical project for whatever reason whether we didn't have the the correct lineup of people that were all on the same page or didn't have the same type of collaboration that uh griffin i have or like just chemistry in general and that song just pretty much sums up like what we want to do as a band what we all the individuals we want to do as a band we want to do as a band we want to do as a that griffin i had about even starting a band so that's why it was also very very important for it to be first and i like that yeah that's what that song's about so i mean it's it's that's why it's called for the first time again because it's like a reintroduction not our i mean we kind of talk about it as like this is our last hurrah not in music but just like for us to go all in on something we're like sure let's let's do the thing we're all mid-30s you know life got in the way several other times we're like you know hey we're at a point where we're like let's do this thing because we feel really passionate about it and the response we're getting is way stronger than we thought so we're like okay let's do this thing let's do this thing let's do this thing let's do this okay let's do it that's kind of what spurred the record on and what starts the record so hell yeah so that that's kind of like a through line of this whole record is kind of that idea of like you know going and just doing the damn thing essentially and um i i really like that personally i think that there's a few songs that kind of like touch on that in different ways and you know the the self-doubt along the way of like can i actually do this or not and like i i think that all of those beats are just so relatable to me i i wrote that i wrote that uh lonely ghost records community review about it um and and that was one of the one of the big things that i took away from fine like listening to the record and actually reading through all the lyrics the entire time was i was like this actually is like extremely conceptual yeah i mean it wasn't our producer challenged us with to go into it with that he he brought it up like six months before we recorded it and i was like because we were going to do another ep and i'm like all right bet you know let's let's i'll try and so that's how we got there but yeah i didn't know it at the time that's what i was writing but i mean that's that was such a some of the darkest times and some of the best times of my life happened in that record so i'm like cool let's just let's just do it let's put it all out there so you you mentioned working with a producer who did you work with was it was it somebody out in columbus yeah uh he's what is it roadport or what i don't know what it is not uh no galloway middle of nowhere uh sure uh but yeah his name is jacob mooney um he's a producer in columbus um he's got some uh decent credits to its name too but jim had actually worked with him before i had with a different project we did the ep with him he does it out of his house um so it's very comfortable environment but when it came time to do the record we knew we were comfortable with him we knew we wanted um he's this is not a derogatory thing but he's very good at making butt rock bands we wanted a producer that didn't know our genre really and could make us sound big and somewhat bigger than we really are so he did a great job in the ep but when it came time to do this uh we kind of split the duty so he we recorded the drums all live went to an actual uh studio called von in town uh did a monic a nice room and jim uh did all the drums he did all songs in one day so that was actually pretty impressive he did all 10 songs uh he played some of them twice because he played on two different kits yeah so he did a great job with that and then i recorded all the guitars and bass at home and then did some of the background vocals at home and then we kind of came together for i think it was like 12 days total and uh you know mixed it mastered it i recorded vocals all that kind of good stuff so it was very very much a collaborative effort on the album versus the ep but i think he did a great job and like that's what the first thing people say when they hear it is like holy shit this sounds great and i'm like that's what we wanted so yeah so it was it was kind of like a hybrid workflow you did a little bit from home and a little bit in the studio it feels like a lot of modern is kind of moving that way because especially i know that you guys use uh axe effects kemper one of one of the two right uh i use a quad cortex damn yeah same thing yeah i'm like it's one of those but anyway especially with with having all that stuff like you can record that fucking anywhere you want that whole record is all every guitar on there is all through the quad cortex and and so it makes it incredibly easy to do all of that at home you know a lot like an sm7b or uh or something like that recording that from home so it seems like that's kind of like the move for a lot of bands who want that really high quality sound but are on a bit more of a budget is to kind of do the drums in the the proper studio right and then to do everything else a bit a bit more at home you mentioned the two drum kits was that just was that more of like a flavor thing or uh what what was kind of the the thought process there i'm just curious is you know a nerdy audio dude so with like so like with you know some of the parts in the songs like it's kind of like you know bigger parts you want to be in a big room for it so you get a lot of that natural reverb utilize uh the room mics a little bit more with the with the mix and then with parts like with songs like hard pressed and laughing in the dark and some parts what else did i use it for i don't remember well on hard pressed you got a i don't know what it was but in the verses if you listen it's pan there's two different drum kits on each side of your ears when you listen to the verses that's wild so it's like it's almost like six toms are playing at the same time when you listen to it in your in your headphones but yeah one's like the dry kit one's like the room kit basically that he's playing so it was more to get like cool sounds like that too yeah like the other so the the main kit was set up in in like the big studio room and then the other like dryer kit that had a little bit more of a controlled sound to it and was more focused in with like the tone of the drums uh that's in a like i think it's a vocal booth isn't it it was like a yeah it's primarily used as a vocal booth or like a drum or like a guitar cab uh room too yeah sure sure yeah so more isolated room and then the crazy thing is like we were listening back to both of them or i think hard press and jacob was just like i want to put them both together so so yeah we just ended up doing it because we we really like the sound of it like it i don't know it just it meshed really really well together that's super cool and not to not to like gas you up to like crazy but you know like for for real um you know after seeing you guys live a few weeks ago out in lansing and all that i swear to god like you're one of the one of the tightest drummers i've seen and i'll tell him that yeah don't tell him that don't listen earmuffs and like uh i i really i really do feel like that's like a big thing for me and i think that's a big thing for me and i think that's a big part of the sound of this record is just how how fucking tight all those drum recordings are and i i can i can only imagine how much effort it took to get like you know you you put the two together and it's like you don't get any of that weird flamming or anything like was that like did there was a lot of editing that went into that or are you just that fucking on i mean there's there's like a little bit of like i mean there's there's a little bit of editing but we didn't do a lot to his drums i mean it was yeah yeah so the nice thing i think jacob likes working with us is because like i'm an audio engineer too we pre-pro everything at my house i forgot to say that like this whole record was made before we made the record so that was our i like it and we'll do that again i mean we do room demo to pre-pro demo to recording i just don't want to be the one to mix it or matt i don't want to like you know see how the sausage is made completely so um i'll do it i'll do the pre-pro but i won't do the final thing because i'll get i'll get too deep in it so that's why we use jacob that's the thing it's hard when it's your own stuff you kind of like get too lost in the sauce and it's hard to be uh objective with it it's your music for sure yeah very much so the point of that is that jim played it perfectly even in pre-pro so by the time we got to i mean he goes home and you know whips himself until he gets it right you know we say that after every we'll have we just had a practice and we're working on a new song and he was like that's not good enough i'm gonna go home and work on that so we'll do that every week but like i said he nailed all 10 songs in one day um and like i said there was very little editing that we had to do for him i mean i can't i can't even think of one i just know we had to tweak something but i mean we're talking one percent of what he played yeah no that that's especially like in the modern day it feels like it's so easy for some people to just have the idea of like yeah well it's good enough we can we can nudge it we can fix things and and and i i really do respect the uh you know wanting to go in there and just fucking do it right you know i hate that motto more than anything of just it's good enough so it bothers me to my core to like not do it exactly how i hear it in my head or play it to its perfection yeah it drives me nuts because it feels like a missed opportunity or like plus there's you know when i was younger and like doing drum sessions for different for different bands or different projects like that it's like i'll hear something and i'm like i didn't play that exactly and it's like that delay pedal like oh yeah that delay pedal like uh i think it's a vine or something it's a tiktok too but yeah he just placed the wrong note on a delay pedal and he hears it the rest of the day that is oh yeah i know what you're talking about so and plus i i i just hate i hate sloppy playing just in general so no i i i do feel like that's a big part of the sound of this record is just how tight everything is guitars vocals bass drums like like the whole thing everything is just so bang on i appreciate that was a goal yeah thank you thank you for noticing yeah no like like legitimately that that was what stood out to me i was like this is like incredible i mean i know a lot of bands in the genre aren't you know into that and like i said we've been doing this long enough we've done enough recordings that like that was just a goal it was like hey we we wanted to sound this way i know that's not everybody's cup of tea you know to do a recording like that but it's just that's what we wanted and you know we think we think it rules hopefully other people do too but yeah i just i know that it's kind of a weird thing in this genre to be to have a record that sounds like that because that's not what they all sound like for sure and that doesn't matter because i love records that sound horrendous but i think it's horrendous but well that that's that's the thing you can really embrace the slop and and like and like lean into it and i i think that that can make a great record too but i i think it's knowing which direction you want to go with and really embracing it you know exactly and i think it it also suits styles too you know like if like i i think it would be very weird if i played in a very loosey goosey type of band like that also i'd probably lose my mind but because i'm a nut but yeah yeah like i mean i have that is in no way to sound dismissive of of that style or like negative towards it like i there's plenty of records that sound fantastic and have a very loose style to for sure is there anything else that you guys specifically want to bring up about this record before we move on uh i mean i think we i think we pretty much talked about all the things i mean other than just like how fun the recording session was and you know just every like just being super excited to go to the studio every day we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff and we're going to be doing a lot of stuff it was a different for me because you know as a drummer you usually it's like hey day one thanks for everything yeah i'll see you later yeah we'll see you later but i really wanted it was so fun just like being a part of the entire process yeah no it was it was a blast i mean the only thing we probably haven't mentioned is like you know the title was so much brooding i mean that's one it's a it's a batman quote um if you ever played arkham city oh hell yeah matt yeah first of all matt never played the arkham games we're not working on it he's not working on it he's not working on shit so don't believe him i'll load it up let's go yeah he's had plenty of time but i think was the joker says it to batman in some kind of scene but he says uh so much brooding it's not good for you you know and that just always stuck with me but the record i mean me and jim have talked about this before what we think is a little bit different about manor gates is like i come from a very metal mathy background i mean all genres but like i just i don't know manor gates is more angry than i think it's like i don't know what's the title the lyrical content comes from um i mean i know there's angry music out there but when we see or hear a lot of the bands in our genre it's a little more sad or like you know self-loathing kind of stuff but like you know i'm usually pretty angry about something and that's that's how i get all that out is i'm not an angry person in real life but uh i get it out in music sure that's kind of where all that comes from and why the record is what it is and why it's titled that so we hope it makes us a little unique but i don't think people are expecting that half the time so for sure be being a metalhead myself that might be part of the reason why it like resonated so so much with me yeah for sure we all grew up in heavy backgrounds so yeah i like that the second they asked me to play i'm like can i be the dude from the chariot like i'm i'm gonna hurt somebody with this bass let's go um yeah you're at the show where you saw him throw his bass up in the air that was fucking insane that was wild and that's a fucking firebird too that's not a that's not a small instrument that's that thing is giant yeah i gotta keep it a whole thing um in a coffin case dracula lives in it it's fucking awesome yeah it's amazing i can't but uh i mean yeah like as soon as they asked me i was like because i normally play guitar in front and bands so the opportunity to be like hey i'm treating this like a fucking hardcore band like i i was so pumped like because yeah we're coming out of the pandemic at the time and i hadn't played a lot of live shows in a while i'm like yeah we're thrashing around like so i i think that mentality for all three of us shows in different ways and i think i think that's i i would like to think that's what makes us unique not only in recording but like how we treat our live performance as well for sure so you guys had mentioned that you are starting to work on new material and practice and stuff like that is currently the plan to be playing a lot more shows throughout the summer and then starting to uh work on writing and recording the next release uh later in the year are are we looking towards a another release relatively soon i i realized that it's only been six months but you know the the internet moves hella fast so it does from a show perspective we're trying to we're currently booking out the rest of our year so we're doing you know weekenders every month we're working on a tour uh that we can't talk about just yet but um you know so we're doing something every month this year for sure is our goal we can't tour full-time just yet uh you know we've all got you know lives and jobs and kids and all that kind of stuff but we're getting there so we just kind of started writing i've got a handful of riffs so we're not anywhere near that yet i don't know if we're going to do that next year we're going to do an ep or a record but collectively we talked if we were going to do something we probably wouldn't be able to record it till the beginning of next year okay just so we can perfect what we're working on but if the opportunity arises to where we can release a single or do a split or an ep i mean it just depends on what's you know what's coming down the pike uh we're open to all that but i don't think there's anything set in stone yet okay yeah right on is there anything else that you guys specifically want to mention before we uh start sharing some new tunes that we've been listening to oh i have something that i think you'll appreciate all right shoot oh oh boy he left that's fine he has left the chair i have something you'll appreciate i know you're a red wings fan yes you'd appreciate this dominic hashek oh hell yeah that is amazing he's my favorite i like it i like it i i do appreciate that a lot uh i'll say the collective lee as a band uh we play a game called hunt showdown people should look into that so we get more players in there it's a fantastic pc game we've been playing it together for almost four years now so so if you want to play video games with the band manor gates get that game it's very likely you will you will match me with them we talked about should we do a twitch should we do some kind of something but i don't i think it would be i think it would be so awesome to like do a twitch or like just even in discord if we if if if we could or just like hey if there's interest let us know i mean i'm sure we'll be i'm sure we'll be from a band pretty quickly but yeah we can do that yeah i mean well we get all like we think we're hilarious like we get clips like every week it's great yeah we've got a i got a soundboard that we that i use while we play i mean it's it sounds like you're already doing the thing you're just not putting it on twitch yet no yeah we're basically doing it we're just not showing it to other people we can talk it down for the for the internet though all right so moving on to the next part of the episode this is where we're going to share some new tunes that uh we've been listening to lately from uh up and coming underground bands bands that we just feel or artists that we just feel like deserve a bit more love shown to them than what they are currently getting so i understand because there's only four of us right now and we're trying to do 10 songs so how are we splitting up splitting up your guys choices are we just everybody's doing two and then you'll choose two together yes yeah everybody's got two and then we collectively decided on two all right sounds good so i'll go first we'll kind of go around and then we'll end with the two that you guys are collaborating with at the end so my first song is by a band that i found on twitter like how i find most of my music these days it seems like but it's a band called after wednesday and they kind of have emo tendencies and that sort of thing as a lot of the the twitter bands that i tend to associate with these days do but they this song in particular i thought was really interesting because when i was listening to it it kind of has this the song is called worst of luck and it kind of has this like 80s driving at night vibe if you know what i'm talking about like like when when you hear it you'll you'll get what i'm talking about like and i just i think it's such an interesting song uh this song is called the worst of luck so i can't laugh it off where's the fun in it i'm so dizzy and how it made now i'm just full it's not my fault i've had the worst now i am stuck in everything i do i'm still tripping up it's a long way down some hope on the other side cause i can't stay a little scratch that makes me wild can't feel my face anymore now all i'll say all that i'll say you you got it wrong it's not my fault i've had the worst of luck and i can't stop it's not my fault you got it wrong guitar solo Ooh, you got it wrong Ooh, it's time I fall Ooh, I've had the worst of all And I can't stop, no I won't stop I've had the worst of all Yeah, it's such an interesting throwback sound to me Because I feel like this is like a very like 80s, maybe 90s a little bit like throwback But it's more like the kind of like arena rock sound As opposed to like a lot of the throwback stuff that you're hearing Which is a lot more of like kind of based on like those early synth sounds And like the big arpeggios and like all that kind of stuff This is a lot more There's a song by The Who from like the late 70s Early 80s that this kind of reminds me of too But I can't think of the name of it right now But like just that throwback I think is so neat Yeah, that was, your description was pretty accurate Yeah, that was great It was pretty close to some like Miami Vice shit Yeah, I could see that It's just to me it sounds like driving at night And I don't know how to quantify that But when I hear it, I'm just like, fuck yeah With you saying that You put me like right in the headspace for it Like I could imagine the windows down in my fucking, I don't know Some 80s car Gonna save that to my Spotify Oh, hell yeah And then like that riff to the It's such an earworm instantly Like I feel like it's rare that you hear like a riff that is that catchy You know what I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it from St. Louis, by the way That's not Oh, really? Yeah Seems like an L.A. band, but Yeah, yeah, that's I do get that for sure, yeah And then that one vocal run that they continue to do That's what makes me think of Code 7 Yeah So sick All right, so what do we have up next? Who wants to go first? Who volunteers as tribute? I can go as tribute I changed mine because you made a comment about unknown bands And one of mine was too known So I'm going to change mine I mean, all these bands are known, but you know This next song, Slipknot It's Slipknot, baby This is people equals shit Have you heard it? Not in a very long time I was on repeat in this house, come on now So my first pick is going to be from a split that just came out a few weeks ago With Aren't We Amphibians and Just Let Me Go I want to try to do this in the chat correctly I'm going to try to do this in the chat correctly Half of it is false endings I love it That's why I thought it was the perfect pick That was time-sensitive dessert by aren't we amphibians yes um so that that was off of the the split that they just put out that was what about a month ago yeah yeah like three or four weeks ago yeah yeah with uh just let me go do you know any of the background behind this because like when you look at the split on streaming both of the songs are just credited to aren't we aren't we amphibians that may be my mistake i don't know i was gonna say do you know if they like collaborated on the two songs and so it's just the two i don't think they're both california bands i think they just know each other so yeah i don't know the backstory i mean they're the other side of the split is just let me go but yeah it is sort of weird on uh streaming for some reason yeah i'm streaming it just says that they're both by aren't we amphibians which is interesting it's a four song so there should be two two from each oh shoot okay maybe yeah that's why it's split where you have to like go to um oh gotcha it only half of it is out on yeah so you have to go you have to go to just let me go you know you've seen that like on spotify or sometimes they'll do it like as various artists or sometimes they'll do it yeah yeah yeah okay so yeah if you go to just let me go's page you can see the other two songs there which are also good yes yeah a little bit different sound but yeah yeah i heard that i heard that song and i posted on twitter immediately and said that it made my teeth uh itch that bass line at the beginning like as soon as that bass kicks in i'm like oh hello dude the the tone is so huge that that's like something that i really like is a bass tone has like crazy articulation like like you you could you feel like you're like inside the bass almost like i need the string noise sometimes i mean yeah yeah it was it's a heater for sure yeah the uh modern emo darlings aren't we amphibians because they haven't put it they put their first stuff out last year right yeah they had the uh emergency exit which was like a six song ep um when was that october of last year that was in october yeah yeah and that was when everybody first kind of started to go nuts for them it seemed like yeah that green hoodie they put out is everywhere on everybody's body so it's kind of hard to not get away from them but it's true it is everywhere but they're still i mean relatively unknown but yeah they're another uh three piece i like seeing the three pieces and how like different bands utilize their different members if that makes sense because i know that like sometimes or and especially like in a live situation because you can do whatever you want and you can do whatever you want and you can do whatever you want in the studio you can track as many parts as you want and it essentially be you know a 20 piece band if you want to but how bands do it live is always really interesting to me whether it's you know they they write songs that just have the three parts or they use tracks like like you guys do because you you guys definitely have the whole dual guitar thing going but only one guitar player yeah which i was i was actually really surprised about because when i first heard it i i hadn't like seen it and i was like oh my god i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it you guys i just heard your music so i figured that you were a four piece and so when i saw that you were a three piece i was like oh that's interesting yeah we've got we've we did it without tracks before and then recently as of this year started playing everything with tracks and took click and we've got some backup vocals and stuff like that but it's made a world of difference like it's made our to me it's made our set so much more fun so i appreciate it when you know bands add that little extra to it if they can just because it just fills it out but you know it depends on what you're playing too you know so oh for sure there's there's definitely stuff that's like more garagey that's like more like you know like you know like you know like that just like would not make sense to play with tracks there's a few really cool bands uh around the detroit scene which is where i'm at that do some really interesting things as two-piece bands oh yeah there's a band that uh i've mentioned about a year ago i think i haven't actually played any of their stuff but i've mentioned them a couple times because i've seen them live they're called checker and it's a two-piece that one of them is a drummer and a singer and then the other guy plays a baritone guitar that he runs through a guitar amp and like an octaver and a bass amp so so so he's like running it in parallel through two different rigs so that it kind of sounds like a bass and kind of sounds like a guitar and it's really interesting to watch them live because it sounds larger than life and it's just these two people up on stage you know it's it's kind of crazy no it's super cool similar to that i played drum playing that and matt played guitar and he had two different rigs to play with so it's really interesting to watch them live and it's really interesting to do do something very similar that was a screamo band we were in years ago i love i love setups like that if done right it's really sick like bands that can balance the low end and like the high end i i think it's super sick some bands i think will fall victim to leaning too heavy into one direction or another and you're like hey that's mudder hey that's a tube screamer um yeah like but bands but bands that can find that right balance like totally fucking ripped like 1994 um is like one of my favorites and i think it's really cool to see bands that can balance it's a two-piece and you know just pure chaos you know awesome guitar tone i i love them they were great there's another really cool just while we're on on the subject of like you know smaller bands that do really interesting things live there's another really cool group uh from detroit called summer like the season and i featured one of their songs on an episode last year they and they actually just released a new project uh as of recording this this past friday but they're also really interesting because they've got a another drummer who's also a vocalist interestingly enough um and then yeah and and then the other guy he uh plays just a bunch of different synthesizers and drum machines and stuff like that and i i'm not sure but i don't think that they use tracks i think that they have all of the stuff and he's playing all the different stuff and like doing and using like loopers and stuff like that live and it's a really interesting uh experience to to see them i think they're in the middle of a tour right now by the time this comes out it'll probably be over but if you can ever catch them because they do tour nationwide if you can ever catch them they're super cool so what do we have up next i could go whoa whoa hey you have to thumb wrestle yeah sit down jim all right how do i i actually just found this track this week uh it is permanent holiday by thomas powers featuring now now i found it from the now now connection super chill super melodic fun balance of like synths and you know soft vocals really it's a sweet spot for me uh interesting but i'm super pumped because like i've been a now now fan uh since they've been now now uh every children i think uh so i was super pumped to see um them do anything else i think it was really just more uh their drummer helped write and produce the song and i think it's a really it was his name brad or something but yeah let's see if this works our bad unities and real friends it's either missing out or chasing trends self-esteem and deep regret they won't forget while we're on holiday permanent holiday permanent holiday permanent holiday you did your best now take about your brightest days are behind you now and maybe when this all ends you and i we can begin again again Leave me on holiday Permanent holiday Permanent holiday Permanent holiday Permanent holiday Permanent So yeah, that's that song. I like that a lot. Oh, maybe it's not done. Jesus took the wheel. Maybe it's done. I don't know. It could be done. I don't know. Sometimes it just cuts out randomly. But yeah, no, that sounded super. Super cool. Yeah, that's I would say. So I have I'm super like super like heavy music always have been. But on the opposite side, like I love like the super soft, like indie emo stuff, like, you know, early Death Cab for Cutie Empire Empire. I was lonely state. It's like my favorite emo band. Like I said, I've been a huge fan of now now. So this this scratch the itch. I think it was actually Sunday on my way home from Griff. This came on and I was like, what the fuck is this? Obviously, it's not like an ass beater of a song or. Like anything with like a crazy hook. But like, yeah, for me, like that's chef's kiss. That's that was perfect, especially like towards the end. There's like the synth riff that comes in that reminds me of Purity Ring, like in their synth sounds. I was like, hell yeah, this is it. OK, no, I I definitely have an appreciation for like just the very lush, like just kind of gradual build and then like very dynamic, like kind of riding a wave almost. I really like that a lot for sure. I'm actually not familiar. With now. Now, can you give me a little bit of background on them? I think they're where they from Minnesota area. I think it was a two piece for a while. Changed their name. They were now now every children. I think their first album was Cars. They came back out. It's just now now as a three piece. Oh, crap. Who is the other guitarist, Griff? She had her own solo project for a little bit on Top Shelf over here. Tancred. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember her name, but yeah. So got another guitarist, did an EP and then an album called Threads and Threads is really, really good. Great indie record bass tone on it is stupid, stupid, good. Like it's it's like really, really good. Like the second track like just kicks in with like fucking drums and bass. You know, like what is happening? Why is this so good? I'm adding this to my library right now so I can check it out. After we've done recording. Yeah, they blew up on Threads. Threads is fantastic. The next album they did, they took a break and came back as more of like a pop synth pop kind of duo. I don't know if it really got as much attention because like Threads was way more emo. I think it scratched a lot more of like the the somber feel. But the next album, which I'm drawing a blank on because I'm not looking at it, is really fucking good. I love it a lot. I got a chance to see them live playing off that record and it was fabulous. Holy Waters is like one of my favorite songs off that album. Yeah. You know, that album shifted more into like the. Pop synth kind of vibes, a little bit of hip hop influence in spots. But I loved it like that. Like I said, that's that's one of my like happy spots is like that kind of music. So I love it. Right on. Yeah, yeah. One of the interesting things to me about this were all of the different like vocal effects and stuff like that. I think that that's one of the things that like this type of music is very interesting because they do so much dynamically and like with textures and stuff. Yeah. And so like the tremolo on the vocals is like a very interesting texture to me. 100%. And one of the things I really liked a lot is they do. I think I don't even know what the song structure well enough, but one of the verses or something they start doing like in the background, a faded reverse vocal of whatever the line is he's about to do. And it just reminds me of like Postal Service and like Death Cab and shit like that. And Griff actually did that on the Ghastly Grinner off of our album, which is sick, too. So, you know, a lot. You know, the producer in me is like, Hey, this rips. And I have no I have no idea who Thomas Powers is. I've never listened to any of his other songs or their other songs. They could suck, but this one's cool. I don't know. Well, let's all check it out. Well, let's all check it out together and find out. We'll circle back in like, you know, next quarter. No. Yeah. But but but you touched on that, too, like kind of, you know, coming from the production background, this type of music is really interesting, even if it's not like, you know, a catchy tune that like a lot of people are going to put on. Like you can just kind of chill and just like really sink your teeth into like the layers of like of like this kind of stuff. And yeah, also coming from a production background, that was like something that I was just like, this is so lush and huge and like well arranged, too, because like stuff like that, that's kind of like the same feeling. A lot of the time you really have to be very dynamic with. How you arrange it so that it like doesn't start getting stale. And I never once felt bored listening to this, you know? Yeah, because there's there's stuff going on in the background. So listening to that, this is the first time I've actually listened to the headphones. I've only listened to it in the car, like coming home from Griffin's house and then like on my way to work this week. And I was like, oh, shit, there's shit I didn't hear before. So I love that. Like, well, Easter eggs like that are so much fun for me. Or like the the crowd noise at the very end, too. Yeah, yeah. Stuff like that. This is also. So for this episode, the freshest find so far because it came out last Friday. So it was on my release radar. Like like I said, this popped on like funny enough. This came on after a Kublai Khan song that just came out and I was like, where are we? Yeah, that's like the craziest whiplash ever. Holy shit. My algorithms fucked on all platforms. Like it's just we're going 90 on the highway. And then my car is like, now we're going to reverse check this shit out. Spotify is wild. I'll do it again. Yeah, I'll do it again. I like that. All right. So what do we have up next? We have a fan from Ohio from the Manor Gates. Yeah. What are they about? It's heart attack, man. Actually, they're called they're called Glass Bones from the Asbula Akron area. This is off there. I believe it's an EP that they released earlier. No, it's an album album they released earlier this year. I love this guitar riff so much. And we're going to listen to it. I love this guitar riff so much and we're going to listen to it. guitarist. I love Eddie's vocals. He also has a solo project which what is it called oh it starts with an a uh alomar i have to look it up i'm guessing i'm just looking at the fans also like on spotify the related got it in one which is also really good and cody is a fabulous drummer put on a really really good show as well i have not ever not seen a show with them playing that i didn't enjoy and yeah max plays a acoustic guitar to you know essentially essentially grind beats they're very sick great people they go back a ways too from what i can see their first record or their first ep was 2013 and then it looks like because there's still some some city cop stuff on spotify as well that's 2012 so they they've been they've been doing it for a while hey yeah they've been doing i think they were they started when they were in high school and yeah and then i've been doing it ever since their vocalist has like a very close relationship with them and they've been doing it for a while and they've been doing their vocalist has like a very close relationship with them and they've been doing it for a while classic sound to me and i i can't place who it reminds me of but like immediately like when i heard that voice i was like i feel like i've heard this before you know it's also very interesting that like that guitar riff sounds very banjo-y to me which which i think is isn't it for most of their stuff yeah they play they have an acoustic guitar in the band yeah yeah but but just like the the pattern of of like the notes the way that they like arpeggiate the chords feels very joey to me and that was like one of the first things that stood out to me which i thought was really interesting max is such a good guitarist very very creative very very smart but like before the kind of like you know crazy ass grind beat basically that comes in and you know sucker punches you in the face i was like their drumming style actually reminds me a lot of yours with the really fast tight like rolls and stuff like that and like a lot of use of the snare drum like i was first hearing that and i'm like okay i i i see why why he's he's into this this sounds very much like kind of like his style yeah he's so fun to watch too he's such a good drummer i dig it i i like that a lot for sure so my next song uh is actually one that we are premiering on the episode uh this is going to be the only uh only place that you can hear it for a week before it's released it's by an artist that goes by ifin and they are a they call themselves baroque chamber pop from seattle those are words it's really interesting to me because it's like it's kind of like experimental music at least in my opinion but it's kind of got the pop song structure and a lot of use of like folk instruments which i think is really interesting they have an ep coming out that's called uh homage to catatonia piccaro part two which comes out on may 1st and the song that we're going to listen to right now is called document of descent and uh the thing that i really like about it is that it starts out with a mandolin which is one of my favorite instruments of all time so right now is called document of descent and uh the thing that i really like about it is that it starts out with a mandolin which is one of my favorite instruments of all time my personal favorite folk instrument i've utilized it on a couple of songs that i've written as well and i just think it always adds like such an interesting texture to it because it's like got this built-in chorus effect essentially because you're never going to get those doubled strings perfectly in tune you know same with like the like a 12 string guitar or something like that too but it's got more like jangle to it you know right hey i mean it was great um go to mayor gates.com i'm selling cassettes of the whole thing now um pre-release it's good be great oh that's music.com yeah sorry my bad edit the music no he's he's actually starting his own website it's just bootleg cassettes of other bands it's also going to be bootleg cassettes of manor gates yeah we need that out there don't worry just the songs that we don't like to play you that's it they're all going to be very low quality mp3s put on to put on to tape it's gonna be bad all around all right what are we uh what do we have up next uh is it me again i think perhaps yeah i think so mine is not brand new it's from last fall but i am re-listening to it again recently so it's new to me but it's by a band called 2319 uh the song is called everything in between let's listen then we can talk about it feel my pulse on my pillow as i'm resting my eyes let's see if i can fall asleep tonight let's see if i can fall asleep tonight let's see if i can fall asleep tonight ♪ When counting sheep never seemed too little trick ♪ My brain into the darkest side of things Not when I dream It's all magical things Everything in between You've seen what I've seen Cause you were there too Of course that's cause I'm you Together we'll run Radiate like the sun Was it best with your guidance Was it best with your doubt Or my lack of sense of self Not when I dream It's all magical things Everything in between You've seen what I've seen Cause you were there too Of course that's cause I'm you Together we'll run Radiate like the sun Don't take your falling back I bet you're thinking I'm alone Not when I dream It's all magical things Everything in between You've seen what I've seen Cause you were there too Of course that's cause I'm you Together we'll run Radiate like the sun Cause you were there too Of course that's cause I'm you I bet you're thinking I'm alone Together we'll run Radiate like the sun Oh, I love that. That's so good. Yeah, that's a ripper. So that's 2319. It's all spelled out one word. Is that a Monsters, Inc. reference? That's when he's got the sock on his back. God, 2319! Yeah, I assume that's what they're referencing. I've never really researched it, but that would make a lot of sense. It's kind of a super group of, like, two Philly bands, so it's, uh. Oh, really? Well, it's a couple members from Sweet Pill. I don't know if you're familiar with them. I have heard of them, for sure. They're getting pretty big in the genre, the emo genre. About to do a really. their first headliner tour that's selling out. Actually, I've seen them Saturday. I forgot. Nice! But, uh, so that's Sweet Pill and then another Philly band called Typo Pro, I believe is how you say it. Yep. But either way, just fantastic musicians. 2319 just put out that EP last fall, and then they've got an album from, like, 2019. So it's not really, like, their main focus, the people in the band, but, man, they just write some really just feel-good, fun music like that. So, like, as soon as I heard that, I was like, yeah, this is for me. Yeah, no. It just. It just grooves. I love it. That, like, neck position strat sound with the delay. Oh, man. Oh, baby. I tell you what. Oh, baby. I love that sound so much. Especially with, like, the muting and the, uh. Yeah. It sounds like. It sounds like a spring reverb, too, so it's really, like, kind of spanky-sounding. Oh, yeah. Spanky's the best word for it, I mean. Yes. It's really the only word. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that whole EP rips, though. Definitely check it out. And it really is just, like, so feel-good, too. You know, like, that was the first thing. Like, I heard it and just, like, instantly, like, all right, smiles. It's very summertime vibe. I mean, they released it in the fall, but it's got a fall vibe, too, I guess. But, yeah, it just feels like a windows-down, you know, 70-degree. 70 degrees outside kind of a vibe to me. So, yeah, it's. I have a playlist with exactly that vibe, so I think that that's going right on there. So, let's see. That came out last year, you said? Yeah, the EP dropped August 31st, 2023. Okay, so, like, end of the summer. That definitely feels like a dog days of summer type of vibe, for sure. The air's gonna be a little more crisp getting into September. I mean, depending on where you're at in the world, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I made a joke about that a little while ago. It was when Neck Deep released their new album, and it was, like, in February. Oh, yeah. And it's just, like, this very, like, summery pop-punk kind of sound. I'm like, they released this for the Australians, because this is not for us. Right, yeah. They're Australian, though, aren't they? Actually, I think that they are an Australian band. I didn't even think about that when I, like, made that joke. I was just like, they really. They released this for the Australians, because it's the dead of winter right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that wasn't for us. Right. We just happened to be privy to it. Exactly. All right, what do we have up next? All right. This one is. This one's new to me. It's probably a year or two old, so my apologies, but it's new to me. Not fresh. Came up. Yeah, right? I don't know how many. It's this dude, Petey, I found. I found. I like this band, Dirty, a lot, and it was, like, on a playlist of that, and I think this was, like, B-sides to something. Fun fact about me, I love B-sides. Don't get us started. Yeah, don't. So I'll. Yeah, I'll. Yeah, we're not saying B-sides in a good way, by the way. They are. I am. I had a blast. Yeah. So, yeah, this is. This is. It's a B-side. But I like it a lot. This is The Same Chords by Petey. All my favorite songs use the same chords In different orders So you're thinking that I'm playing something different And all my favorite songs use the same chords Part of life is tricky And you're thinking, people, that you're really good at something And lately I've been scared to go to work There ain't nothing that's more dangerous than a man losing control You try to tell him that his job is not his work That being a great dad is cooler than running a hedge fund Here's the sound of your good buddy fucking off He said it's hard to be productive with that poison in your gut You gotta call him once a week to say what's up Cause there ain't nothing more important than you're checking up on bugs I said there's nothing more important than you're checking up on bugs I said there's nothing more important than you're checking up on bugs there's like hey you gotta be checking up on buds man and i'm like perfect that's me he's also uh like a tiktok comedian right yeah yeah because i found that after the fact i put two and two together i didn't realize that dude did this music until afterwards and i was like see i i was i was the opposite i had seen him on tiktok first and i okay i heard somebody talking about like oh yeah i i can't wait to see uh to see pd live next week or something like that and i was like oh is he doing like a comedy tour or something like that and then like a week later i was listening to something and one of his songs which one was it i'll wait from his most most recent album kind of just like auto played on on radio after what i was listening to and i hate to say this because it sounds backhanded but like you hear that like in artist blew up on tiktok or like that that's like their their big thing and you just automatically are like skeptical going in you're like right all right is this going to be like cringy is this going to be you know not good and i listened to it and i'm like holy shit this is really really good and i i thought that it was you know so interesting because i i just knew him as the the guy who made a sketch about when your friend takes an edible that's too strong well it's funny because i found him through another kind of tiktok band during they yeah kind of blew up from their reels and so i was like hey two for two on this in this uh arena so that's cool uh during you're also incredibly good what'd you say i want to need everybody to go to his website because it's amazing it's it's pd's website.com please go to it all right we're getting derailed i like it oh my god amazing i'm not gonna say that this is a reflection of me but this is definitely it i think you found your brother okay so so so seeing that seeing that reminds me we'll get back on track in a minute but are you guys familiar with bill wurtz why does that sound familiar he uh he blew up on youtube for doing the uh history of the world uh oh yeah video yeah the sun is a deadly laser that whole thing yeah yeah and he does like a lot of like really weird like kind of avant-garde jazzy pop tunes yeah his website is also incredibly interesting it's just billwurtz.com amazing i still do the uh round a lot yeah from classic video wow that video has 166 million views holy hell how old is that it's got to be like almost a decade old now it says six years old but that's probably there's no way no way i feel like that's at least 15 years old fake news yeah maybe a re-upload or something could be either way yeah good derail yeah so you you said that this was that this was kind of like like a b-sides record what was it yeah besides two uh i think it's b-sides to um his album lean into life this one was just listed like other stuff and i think it was just like four or five extra songs um and yeah this this is the song that came on i was like oh shit this is sick yeah right so then i listened to lean into life and the new album and they're they're both like really really good i i really like uh don't tell the boys i think that's a great song off of lean into life again that's like a fun one that kind of plays back and forth between like the seriousness of like male friends like actually supporting each other and then like joking around doing dumb shit so like i don't know it's fun i it it's a fun set of songs i found yeah i got nothing else on it that that's that's a vibe for sure though and i and i do like when when you're able to uh you know find artists that are able to pair their lyrical content with like a little bit of like something else as well like it's deep but it's also like kind of funny in a way not that it's being a comedy song but it just has humor built into it you know i yeah it takes a little bit of the edge yeah like all all the best lyricists have some sort of like wit or like something that like you you can kind of be like oh i see what you did there and so yeah i i totally get that for sure i like that a lot uh what's up next up next i don't it's not really it's new to me all right within the last like couple weeks i heard this i had no idea who this dude was apparently he was an american idol but uh i love this song i'm a sucker for like old school country tunes okay i like this song too i i grew up listening to like johnny cash and elvis and patsy klein and uh hank williams jr all right this stuff just feels great to me i ain't willing to have a plan i ain't never been a man i'll fold every single hand i don't know shit about cars well i tend to drink a lot and i tend to get real lost i learned nothing from my pops i don't know shit about cars i'll bum one more cigarette the only spirit that i've met runs straight through my head i don't know shit about cars i'm the last of my kind is bullheaded right i get lonely at night filling up my dreams with steep gasoline got up to 583 i ain't scared of the dark i still break my own heart i don't know shit about cars well i ain't one to pick a fight i guess i'm never in the right i'll fall in further than i'd like i'm a lost cause i get sad when it rains singing songs out of my range lose my voice on the stage i'm a lost cause i'm the last of my kind is bullheaded right i get lonely at night filling up my dreams with steep gasoline got up to 583 i ain't scared of the dark i still break my own heart i don't know shit about cars i'm the last of my kind is bullheaded right i get lonely at night filling up my dreams with steep gasoline got up to 583 i ain't scared of the dark is bullheaded right i get lonely at night filling up my dreams with steep gasoline got up to 583 i ain't scared of the dark is bullheaded right i ain't scared of the dark is bullheaded right i ain't scared of the dark is bullheaded right i ain't scared of the dark i still break my own heart i don't know shit about cars oh yeah let me tell you right now every fucking time it comes to that bridge instrumental part it comes to that bridge instrumental part those fucking guitar chords even though it's like a classic arrangement you've heard that so many times god damn there is no fatter sound than those chords put together like that yeah man see that's the kind of country music that i'm down with man pop country sucks pop country sucks it's the worst this is so classic i talked about this a little bit on the full blown meltdown episode a while ago as well but i have a little bit of a background with going to bluegrass shows and stuff like that and so like hearing this type of stuff just like it hits me to my core in a way that a lot of stuff doesn't and i i love that so much yeah like it's like the major it's a major problem with country just in general it's like people forgot what it was like about like it's supposed to be like you know anti-establishment singer like singer songwriter tell me a damn story that like i can relate to and it's it's completely gotten to the point where it's so superficial and shallow with like a majority of the songs it's like you know i'm sitting outside in my fucking truck can you believe it like it's like that type of shit it's it's the like country mad libs meme basically yeah yeah it's yeah exactly like it but when i hear songs like this and like he doesn't really do i mean he has a lot of country influence and like all of his other songs but like that was like the first one that i heard and i was just like immediately like there it is it's just it encapsulates a lot of things too within country you know just like talking about he doesn't feel like a man all that type of stuff like it's not like this super macho bullshit that you usually hear with you know like within country where it's like an actual real human being telling a real story yeah and that's the part that i think is so fantastic about it and he's a young kid i think he's only like 23 or something like that yeah well i i love the way like especially like it being a country song like the fact that he says i don't know shit about cars like which is like the opposite of every mainstream like yeah country fucking song like i don't know like i think that like i'm like hell yeah like me too brother yeah like it it's super relatable especially as you know there's definitely things even for me that you don't feel like you lived up to like some sort of like your father's expectations in some sense but like that's the part that i love is like it's just a real fucking story it's catchy as shit and the instrumentation although is very traditional is done extremely well yeah and it really is so relatable just all of the all of those things about like you know ways that you feel like you don't measure up to like you know society's expectations of of things and like it's something that i think in a small way a lot of people can relate to and i i think that that's something like really good music really good art in general kind of gets down to you know these sort of universal truths and i i feel like this really kind of like hits at the heart of that in a way that a lot of stuff doesn't it's also interesting this must have had a moment at some point because i heard it and i was like i know this from somewhere i i haven't listened to it probably since it came out but i was like i have definitely heard this before probably yeah it was like a very casual one just like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't like him on his bed just like playing the song and that's where i heard it and then jim brought it up like a month ago to me and i was like oh shit that guy yeah so it's he's got such a soulful voice too but especially when it when it goes into the bridge like there there's that like there there's that little bit of twang to it that like it's not the artificial twang kind of going back to uh to what you were talking about about like a lot of modern country music feeling kind of superficial and you know there's just something about just the entire delivery of it that just feels kind of like heart-wrenching and emotional i love it so much yeah like his his performance is so good and like the other line that i really really like too is where he's talking about trying to sing shit out of key or like saying things he can't sing and just losing his voice like that's so fucking relatable like for any room musician even if you're not a singer but just like trying to do something that you like want to do and like trying it until it kills you kind of thing like i love that yeah man i'm so into this i i i don't have any more words but i i just want to express one more time how oh man so we are down to i believe the last two songs which you guys decided on together right yes i've got them both all right unanimous yeah we we all picked a list of songs and showed it to each other and these are basically on everybody's list so nice okay perfect i'd like to add that when i originally asked this question i got a lot of fucking attitude from somebody about it so jim doesn't know how to read let's put it that way uh so jim is fucking with somebody you know reading's hard i get it it happens oh boy take it outside after this yeah oh boy so if you're in our genre or know us i mean i'm sure you know this i've heard of this band but band from oklahoma that's just coming out called red sun oh shit yes they just put out their ep what was that last week as of this report yeah it was it was last friday so we're gonna do the single from that uh red sunfo uh which is a play on words of red sun and the band sunfo but uh yeah let's just listen to it because it rips so i'm overrated i think i'm full of shit and i got this feeling it's in my skin it's gonna jump my leg so when you come around i'll see your shit so i'm overrated i think i'm full of shit and i got this feeling it's in my skin it's gonna jump my leg and i'll see your shit so when you come around i'll see your shit every morning i hate waking up i hate waking up i hate waking up i hate waking up because this rips well and i i think that that's kind of like shows the the community aspect of it especially kind of this uh you know the the tight-knit twitter scene specifically but the kind of like the the greater emo scene as well is that so much of it is just built around like good relationships with people and like those guys have built up so much goodwill with everybody that like everybody was willing to give them a shot when they put out uh their first single and it just it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it just happened to be a ripper that everybody was super into but i think that that's super interesting this was the first single from that ep right yeah apparently they had a song that came out our single that came out last year too i wasn't as familiar with that one so this is the biggest one for sure they actually i i know a little bit of the lore there they had one song that came out like a while ago that they took off because they they just weren't very proud of like how it sounded okay i didn't know that okay and then they did a split a three-way split which that's what i'm familiar with the others like us me too thanks and then them which was officer jenny which was their first song that came out that's what i'm familiar with yeah i always find it interesting something about just like the the fuzzy like kind of guitar riff on officer jenny whenever i hear it i think it's greta van fleet for like the first five seconds i'll blame you that's what was so shocking about like hearing this because like the recording quality is like totally different between the two yeah so i was not expecting it to be like oh whoa uh okay that's this is this riff super polished yeah for real yeah it's also i was gonna say i know they're friends with uh ben quad so i don't know if it's the same i don't know if it's the same place that they did the ben quad ep because it sounds very similar but i would be surprised if it was recorded there it could be because they're they're all uh okc bands yeah exactly yeah so it's very similar quality so yeah i also did a thing uh like a week after this song released where i jokingly because there's the line i hate waking up to the same sun every morning and i decided to make that my alarm sound and i i i literally wake up to this song every morning now oh perfect i was i was like i'm just gonna remind myself what the worst part of my day is right away just just wake up throwing fist and bows yeah i love it it is funny though because it's like such a high energy song that i i hear it i'm just like all right i'm ready to go it's it's interesting i might try that my wife will hate me but i'll try that there you go i uh i really love uh i love the the way the the drummer laid out all of his sections i think like the tom parts that he added to like kind of give it a little bit more groove there in the beginning is so good and i love the singer's voice instrumentally just such a good band who sings that one because i think they all do vocals on different songs right i don't know i know i want to see him live that's all i know yeah i thought quinn did the the prime primarily the vocals and the other voice in it i thought i thought was a guest from another band well on that song specifically i don't know for sure the rest of the record though so as far as i understand i think zeke who's their other guitarist is also the primary guitarist in me too thanks i think he's in both bands and so i i think that he's the other the other guy doing doing vocals on it i also noticed and it's kind of i i feel like it's something that i notice and then just forget every time i listen to this song but like the transition between like i feel like there's kind of like an a section and a b section to this song essentially absolutely and there's that uh that that sample that kind of like acts as a change and there's like an interesting groove shift between those two sections that like my brain doesn't quite follow and then i'm just like i have to i have to like get back on track when i listen to it which is which is interesting. And I don't know if they're like doing a Matthew thing that i'm just too dumb to follow or like one of you what it is jim or matt commented on it immediately when they heard it i can't remember which one of you said that to me but they're you're like i love when it goes to that tom part oh they ask yeah that's me because yeah it was matt yeah because it shifts up so quickly like that yeah i love that like i as soon as they switched i was like oh shit we're we're shifting gears i love it yeah literally sounds like shifting yeah i like that and uh our final song our final song of the episode what do we have we gotta gotta end on a high note uh i i mean i think it's a high note all right i mean if you guys all agree it can't be that bad and that we all agree so we've been following uh this artist for a while uh columbus hometown hero bill murray uh hell yeah we're all big big bill murray fans me and jim just saw him a week or so ago in columbus and it's let's just listen to it because it rips we can talk about it after i never talk about you i never even speak your name after all you put me through i know you stole a piece of me so when the eyes come to me i can't even think about you i don't want to even see your face after the shit you put me through i know you'll never change you so when they ask who hurt you i point the finger at myself but i think of you it's in the past but i still do no i'm not in heaven yet but it's a better hell than you and everything you do couldn't feel the truth till it was raining down on you but there's no second chance and we can't make amends when i said i want to end it you always pretended that it was never true but now it's time to say it's not true i don't care if it's not true i don't care if it's not true tastes that gel really well so uh this was super fun is there anything else that you guys specifically want to uh mention before we sign off for the episode follow us on all the socials it's manor gates music pretty much on everything uh we're gonna be playing places we haven't been before all this year so you know follow us so you can find out more shop smart shop s smart good advice this has been the fresh finds podcast the show about discovering new music with good people fresh this is stone cold et and i want to order a cup of cheeseburgers so i never stood a chance with this race against time the swinging picture law i've never stood a chance with this race against time the swinging picture law If I can't take them with me I'll probably never use my mouth again I haven't figured out I'll probably never use my mouth again But I have my doubts My pain is levitate, now it awaits my move The sharpest it can be, to get to every groove How many times can I say, they had it coming anyway They're telling me the sickness, but it feels like a charm I can see straight through them, and no cause for alarm Don't mistake my attitude for more than it is Don't mistake my attitude for more than it is Don't mistake my attitude for more than it is I'll probably never use my mouth But I have a doubt I'll probably never use my mouth Again Again I haven't figured out I'll probably never use my mouth Again But I have a doubt Cause you know Stone Cold E.T. 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