Behavioral Activation and Project Hail Mary

Let's go. Here we go. Let's go. We're back on the air. Let's go. Presented by Delta Airlines, that Delta every room, every yard, every takeoff. It's an opportunity for greatness. Unlock your potential when you keep climbing. Visit Delta.com to book today. Matthew, how you doing today, bud? I am doing good. Coming off the wind feels nice, so feel, uh, feel pretty good. Get well Sunday against the Raiders that it looked like you were in total control of this game. Was this the Rams finally hitting on all cylinders or was this the Raiders that couldn't stop you? Well, I feel like we played a fish and football on the offensive side of the ball. That's what we were looking to do to try to make sure that we were staying ahead of the chains, doing all the boring kind of things, you know, that fans and people hate to hear about, but it is the truth and it makes the game easier for you on the offensive side. We did that a nice, you know, at a nice clip in the first half. Our defense played great throughout the game, getting fourth down stops, forcing a miss field goal, all the things that allowed us to kind of get to that big lead. And then the third quarter came around. We turned the ball over twice on the first play of a couple drives, which is tough and kind of let them get a little bit of life. But we're able to, you know, finish the game off on the fourth quarter with some good defense and a nice long touchdown drive to kind of put it out of reach. Proud of our team, proud of the way we were prepared throughout the week to be honest with you, you know, losing the game against the Cardinals at home wasn't an easy thing for us to do, going to two and four and just finding the juice and the energy to come back out, put a great week of practice together, go out there and execute on Sunday was was a great feeling. And there's a pivot during the week too because you find out on Friday that perhaps Puka's not going to play. He'd missed games and now Devon days out with the hamstring. They're just going to be challenges probably 24/7 throughout the course of an NFL season, but this is all going on and you're going into an enemy territory with the Raiders and they're battling for their lives in three and three. How do you deal with all of that uncertainty, particularly since those are your best weapons? Yeah, I mean, I try to be as steady as I possibly can be. Listen, I've played a lot of football on this league and had a lot of things go one way or the other, right? Whether it's injuries or calls or bounces, whatever it is. And so I just try to be as steady as I possibly can so that the guys that maybe don't have as much experience can look at me and go, man, okay, we're going to be all right. Look, look how staff is he's he's ready to rock and roll every single day, every single week. And so I was so proud of both Puka and a bunch of guys really on our team that are battling through the heck of a lot of stuff to be out there and, you know, help us win football games. So not easy to do. This stuff is difficult. Like you said, it's difficult physically to be out there and do what they're doing. You know, at that high of a level with some of the things that they have going on, but it's also just it's difficult emotionally and mentally for all of us. You know, when things don't go your way and you got some guys that are banged up that are key components to your team, how you're finding a way to, you know, still go move the ball win and just just proud of the way the guys reacted this week. You talked about having to deal with everything and and we've been looking at this officiating. Everybody's been examining it all season. It seems to be going on all the time, but this year more so and you relate a pretty funny story. I hope you share it with us because we had some bad calls in the Green Bay game regarding what exactly is now roughing the passer and you had an instant yesterday if you'll share it with this. Yeah, I got I got touched up on the head in one of the on one of the plays. I don't know how forceful the contact was. I know other guys are getting those kind of calls every once in a while and I looked back at the ref and and you know was like, hey, just so you know and I was actually I'm sometimes not so polite. I was very polite this time. I was like, hey, just so you know, I got hit, you know, you know, hand to helmet there and he was kind of like, I know I saw and like tried to stop himself. I was like, you saw it and he was like, yeah, but it wasn't forceful enough. And I was like, all right, you know, fair enough explanation, but I'm like, man, these are tough. These are tough to come by and tough to initiate. First of all, your head kind of thought it was forceful enough, right? I was like, I maybe I should just take my helmet off and put it on you and give you a smack upside the head, tell you know how it feels. See if it's forceful enough, but no, I don't envy the position these guys are in and some of these instances. The game's happening fast, but just kind of a funny deal behind the scenes. Look for the three ends out there. And what do you think of all of this roughing the past? So there's such a fine line here and and and it seems as though it's so inconsistently officiated and it's hard for the fans to understand what they're watching. Yeah, I'm with you. Sometimes even in the games, you know, you feel like you get one or you should get one and you don't and then you look across the way and sometimes it happens for the other guy. Like I said, it seems to be a small target, you know, for the defensive guys to hit the quarterback. So I think there's a lot of, you know, it's almost like a strike zone in baseball. They have to hit us in a certain spot. And so, you know, everybody kind of has their interpretation of what's outside the strike zone and what's not what's forceable and what's not. So I don't know. It's I think it's a tough thing. We talk about it a lot as a team on for our defensive players on how to hit the quarterback, you know, make sure that we're peeling off. We don't put the whole body weight. We don't hit high. We don't hit low. And so there's there's a lot that goes into it. So it's a complex rule. I'm sure it's not easy to officiate with the speed that's going on. Maybe it's something that, you know, replay assist, you know, how they do that, you know, just the quick replay assist. Sometimes that pops in. That happened to me two weeks ago, you know, in a game and they picked up a roughing the pastor that I thought was was a little bit late, but oh, well, Jim Gray with Matthew Stafford. Let's go. It was brought to you by monster energy. Monster energy is about living out going bigger and never backing down. That's the lifestyle. That's the beast. That's monster energy. Unleash the beast. Do you look at the schedule, the way that fans look at the schedule? If they look at it one week at a time, then yes, if not, then no, I don't. I honestly, a lot of times, you know, my wife or my family, well, they'll know who I'm playing two, three weeks down the road, way more than I do. I have no idea. I'm just focused on what we're doing, you know, this week. Come on, everybody sees the chargers and it's a home game. I guess it's home game for both of you, but it's your home game in Sofie. They haven't won a game. That's a dangerous place because they're fighting for their jobs now. Their season's over. You can forget it. They're not going to make the playoffs over there, but they're fighting for their jobs. And that's wild and dangerous, particularly to be an opponent of that. But everybody says, ah, that's a cake walk, you know, they're all in six. They're going to be all in seven. Yeah, there's no such thing as a cake walk in the NFL. I'll promise you that, especially with the team that's led by a quarterback that's talented as Justin Herbert. You know, they've got really good players on all sides of the ball. And for whatever reason, it hasn't come together for them this year. But like you said, we take no opponent lightly. We obviously understand the caliber of player and the coaching staff that they have. We got to go out there and have a great week of practice and be ready to rock and roll on Sunday. Bring the energy. Make sure that we show up. They're ready to play and and ready to put our best foot forward, no matter who the opponent is. Take it from their aspect because you've had that when you were in Detroit. What is it that they're trying to accomplish? I know they're trying to win the game and they're fighting for their jobs. But when you know your season isn't what you want it to be and there's no hope for it to be that. What do you do? Yeah, look yourself in the mirror and see what you want to be about as a player as a human being. What do you want your, you know, your teammate legacy kind of to be, right? Like what do you want? These years where everything goes great. Yeah, everybody loves being around. And when the things aren't going great, hey, who was who was still showing up every single day with the right attitude ready to go to work? And when I was in those instances in Detroit, that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to be the guy that man, everybody knew no matter what the, you know, whatever our record was, whatever the schedule said, you know what you're getting from number nine. And I imagine that's what they're trying to do right now. And there's still, you know, every time we step out on the field as NFL players, we're putting our resume out there. And so I know those guys feel that I felt that way when I was in Detroit and things weren't going our way. So it's going to be a team that's ready to fight, ready to come out and play good football, I imagine. Matthew, you're now the franchise leader. It's it's quite, quite rare. In fact, you're the only quarterback to ever do it. You're the franchise leader in touchdowns for both the Lions with 282. And now you pass Roman Gabriel with the Rams. Got to mean something to you. I know you're going to tell me, oh, I'll look at that when it's over and, you know, I'm just playing and golly G and all this other trying to give us a little more on that because it sits in a, it's a remarkable accomplishment. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's a cool thing. When I, when I hear that, I obviously am humbled by it. I also think back to so many teammates. It's a really cool instance and the fact that I think about throwing touchdowns to, you know, Calvin Johnson and Brandon Pettigrew and guys early in my career in Detroit. And then it's spanned all the way now to, you know, guys like Puka and Devante. And so so many guys have had their hand in that. And I really do appreciate that. I say this a lot, but throwing a touchdown pass isn't a one-man operation. I obviously can't throw it to myself. Those guys are going out there and making plays. Guys are blocking for me. Coaches are drawing up plays. So it's really cool to have had a really long career in Detroit, you know, and not a short career going on right now in NLA. And I've just, I'm blessed to play this game. I love playing this game. I have so much respect for the guys that did it before me in the history books. And, you know, it's, it's a special accomplishment for me and everybody that's caught one or been a part of one for me. I do appreciate those guys a whole lot. And you got to think just how great Roman Gabriel was to have had this record for social, he hasn't played in decades. And to think, you know, that it wasn't a passing game, like the NFL is not with all of the rule changes. That's quite a record to break. It is. It's been around for a while, like you said, and the league has changed so much. We all know that we see it. All the guys that are at the top of the record books nowadays are current. or somewhat current quarterback. So I understand how the game has changed. But like I said, respect for the guys that played this thing, this game before me. I grew up watching those guys, loving those guys and being able to be in the same breath of those guys right now is a lot of fun. Much more with Matthew as we continue here on Let's Go. Whether you're buying or refinancing a home it all starts with the right home loan expert. Connect with one in your area at mortgagedmatchup.com powered by United wholesale mortgage LLC, Equal Housing Lender, NMLS, number 3038 licensed in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. That's mortgagedmatchup.com. More with Matthew Stafford, the MVP when we return. Stay with us right here on Let's Go. Welcome back to Let's Go. I'm Jim Gray along with the MVP, Matthew Stafford of the Los Angeles Rams. If you need a romantic getaway, a week under treat or just a day of fun, Gold and Nugget hotels and casinos offer the perfect destination for the ultimate getaway. With eight world class resorts from coast to coast, there's no better place to stay, play and win. Visit goldandnugget.com to book your getaway today. How about those brewers? How about them, two and oh at home. They play pretty good. This is a fun series to watch. You know you talk about the blink of an eye and umpiring and officiating and just players and you know it's really the difference in so many of these games that you know the pitches and plays at the plate and second base. Brewer thought they won a game had to go out and finish it twice so they kind of won too. Maybe they should be up three oh. And and it's just it's just so unique that how every pitch matters in these games. Every play. It is and I think that's what's great about sports. You know I think that's why people love NFL football. It always comes down to you know a drive here. They're late in the games and this world series has been just like that. A bunch of tight scoring games, one run games. Guys make a plays in the field trying to stretch for extra bases. It's been exciting brand of baseball and and happy for the MLB. Yeah and I know you're a big baseball guy. You know it was it was in your upbringing and Clayton Kershaw and so forth. Is there anything that you can pick up watching another sport that helps you in your sport? You know I don't know about watching but I know playing big time. Just to be a ability to play a bunch of shortstop and a bunch of catcher. So just the ability to you know throw from different angles accurately, you know got to throw it from first base when you're playing shortstop from all different kind of angles and I think that I've taken that into into my game in the NFL and playing quarterback. And did you use that yesterday on that look away there for that touchdown? Yeah you know sometimes you got to have a little fun out there and be athletic with the arm. I can't be athletic with my feet anymore Jim. So gotta be athletic with the arm and the eyes. What leads you to do something like that? I mean how do you know when it's the right time? Just feel, just feel for the game. Done it a long time and I'm not always right. You know I mean I'm just going out there playing the game. There's no preconceived. Hey on this play I plan on you know looking one way throwing the other and so it's so happened. I was trying to peel a defender off of a tight end and it worked. How do you know that guy's open? I mean what is it in your peripheral vision? Is it a guess? How do you take us through it? Yeah it's instincts. You know I think you think about this game and all the reps that go into it not even only in the games but the practice field. The times is a kid out in the backyard and knowing what open and what you know not open is and just trial and error and that's what it is. You go out there you work throughout the week so that when you get into the game you can be that subconscious mind. You're just not even thinking about doing what you're doing it's just happening for you but that's what we work for so that we go out there and play free. Can you explain the joy and the satisfaction when something like that works? It's a lot of fun. Honestly the guys on our team were having as much fun with it as I am. I threw that pass yesterday and Kyron came out to me and was like you're crazy and was doing this whole thing. Like don't look at them and so it's fun. I think everybody gets excited when it works and when it doesn't I just put my head down in shame. Well that hasn't happened much really, has it? I mean it hasn't happened to the degree where it's been a disaster. You may have been completed a pass but it hasn't been one of those things where you know you threw it to a guy who was standing right in front of you, took it back for six. Yeah and I think our guys understand that it's like I said it's not preconceived. I'm just doing it in the flow of a game trying to help a play out as best I can and I'm not doing it to try and look cool or be cool trying to help us out. So if it works it works if it doesn't they know I'm trying to help us. You know we've never discussed this but you're kind of one of these guys who doesn't look tormented while he's out there. You know you look like you're having some joy and you look like you're having some fun and so much so many times in sports. You're looking at somebody who's winning and they look miserable. They do not look like this has been fun for one second. Yeah I hope you feel that way when you watch me play. I know that I put a ton of work into this thing so that on Sundays or whatever the day the game is I can go out there and cut it loose. And sure there are things that frustrate me throughout a game or things that you know I've disappointed myself throughout a game but I also understand that I'm getting to play a game. I love playing with my teammates and watching them go out there and battle and do what they do. So I try to kind of have that moment of reflection. Honestly you know during the national anthem before every game you know I sit there and think to myself man I'm still doing this. I'm still getting to play this game that I love with a bunch of guys that I care about and you know that's a really cool feeling to go out there and play free knowing that I've put the work in now it's time to go cut it loose. Is this conscientious or is it just your nature? Let's face it you're just a likable guy and you know that attracts people to you teammates and so forth but are you conscious about that or is it just in your nature? I think it's probably a combination. I think I'm naturally a little bit like that. You know I would hope that you know I have appreciation for things that I don't take for granted a whole lot of my life. It's an amazing life that I've gotten to live and I share it with my family and people that are close to me and it's really it's been a hell of a ride and so I do appreciate that but there are times like any human being where I sit there and think what was me you know and then I got to snap myself out of it talk to myself and go hey man pick yourself up you got people to lead you got people that are leaning on you and also at the same time look around you you know and it ain't that bad and so I think it's a combination of the two. I would hope that genuinely in my nature I am having fun out there and loving and enjoying life but at the same time there are instances like everybody talking to myself you know pull myself up by my bootstraps and get ready to rock. How many times a year do you have met somebody? Oh there's still count there's still out in it up that happens and a lot of times it's myself but no I mean I'm intense you know people probably don't see it but I think my teammates know you know when it's you know when it's time to go and when it's you know time to hang out. How does that conversation go with yourself? You know it's usually just derogatory towards myself just self deprecating and I feel you know it's usually just like you know one of these days I'll get good at this game or you know what you should just you should just quit you should just quit you're terrible and then quickly after that go you know here we go got to move on in the next and like I say easier said than done to be you know positive and good to yourself but I got to try and snap myself out of it sometimes that's for sure. Jim Gray with Matthew Stafford hey Matthew you've been in this situation we talked about it a couple of weeks ago how do you know when to play with an injury and what goes on internally that you can explain to the fans because everybody's looking at Lamar Jackson and nobody knows how he feels only he knows how he feels explain your process on when you think it's a detriment to the team that you shouldn't be there or that you've got to play through this because I've got to be out there for my teammates. Yeah you know I mean can you do your job or can you not and Lamar is a unique player in the fact that he uses his legs as much or more than any other quarterback out there and so I know he's got a lower body injury that he's dealing with and I can't pretend to know what he's feeling or how mobile he is or how he feels about how he can help his team. But I do know guys battle around throughout the league with that same turmoil you're talking about hey am I good enough to go and actually be me or am I gonna be you know get out there on Sunday and quickly find out that I'm hurting the team more than helping him. So I respect everybody's decision and how they go about their business and trying to be out there for their team because nobody wants to sit on the sideline everybody wants to go out there and play. And so you know I for me a lower body injury isn't as big a deal because I'm just kind of hanging out in the pocket most of the time. Throw it around but you know it is you know each player has to kind of judge what works for them and just know you know from outside or looking in we're doing everything we can to be out there. Nobody wants to sit on the sideline nobody wants to be in the training room everybody wants to be out there helping their team win and playing the best they possibly can. Yeah and yours was the shoulder on several occasions and his or the legs and you know he uses his legs a lot as you just said more than you do. And but you've used your shoulder more than he has. So it's one of these fine lines and again it just comes down to this whole processing of the trainer doesn't know nobody knows except for you. Yeah for sure and I tell people this all the time you know everybody gets some sort of an injury throughout the season and it's kind of luck of the draw whether or not you can play with it. You know sometimes you play with you have this thing that doesn't hurt but they're like you can't play you're not stable. You know and then you have this other thing that's really painful but hey you're stable you can go playing get it done. So each injury is kind of its own entity. You guys are trying to be out there as best they can. I know that time. 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Looking forward to it. Stay with us here on Let's Go. When we return, we'll be joined by the Hall of Famer, the great Drew breeze right here on Let's Go. I'm Jim Gray soon to be joined by the Hall of Famer, the great Drew breeze. Let's go presented by Delta Airlines. Touch down on your Let's Go moment with Delta, where I keep climbing mentality, pushes us from better to best. Visit Delta dot com to book today. Drew, how you doing, pal? I'm doing great. How are you? What a weekend. Let's start with tonight is the cowboy season on the line here in the next few minutes as they take on the Eagles. Look, I think there's always a tremendous sense of urgency. But to me, that NFC East is wide open. The cowboys have their entire seasons in front of them, especially with the number of division games that they have. You know, they're going to get another crack at the Giants. Look, I broadcasted the Giants Texans game and, you know, on paper, that one, that one was, you know, Texans favored by 10 and a half and Giants go down there with JJ McCarthy in his first start and a bunch of guys injured on defense. And they ball out and then they have a walkoff touchdown over time. So bottom line is the hungrier team, the more desperate team usually goes in and wins the game. And so I think that's what we need to see from the cowboys. Look, I mean, they're playing a Philly team that's obviously, you know, without Jalen hurts them, but at the same time, you know, they're trying to reestablish their identity. So a lot of teams, at least, are at a point where they're still trying to establish their identity and what they're going to look like moving forward. Drew, as we review what happened yesterday and looking forward, we're down to just one undefeated team. And this 49ers team, astonishing what they've been able to do. I mean, they are so beat up, there's nobody on the field that at least offensively, you know, can make a play. It's something you deal with every year with just about every team. For what of a reason it feels like the 49ers are just snakebite every year. It's, it's a significant number of key players on both sides of the ball. And yet they still find a way to be not just highly competitive, but to be a contender at credit Shanahan, not just the job he does offensively calling a game. I think he's one of the great offensive masterminds, but just in the way that he gets his teams ready to play, you know, the players win the game, but the, but the coach motivates inspires and puts you in a position to have the right mindset to go into every game and win every game. And I think he's done an outstanding job doing that. So they always seem to find a way, but yeah, they, they've got a lot of missing pieces right now. And they do indeed. And one of those big missing pieces is Lamar Jackson, the sprained ankle. It looked like perhaps he would play for the end of the week and practiced. Things looked like it was positive, but he misses another game. Nobody can tell anybody how they feel, only he knows how he feels. At some point, you know, your team is depending on you. And the way that he plays, it's necessary for him to be at full speed, because that's his game. But how did you decide what was your rhythm, your cadence, your internal mechanism that said, A, my team needs me. I'm not 100%, nobody's 100%, I'm going to play or not play. It's a great, it's a great question. At the end of the day, though, it's, do I give my team the best chance to win? You're talking to somebody who's got a lot of confidence, 99.9% of time. It was, yes, I give myself, I give my team the best chance to win. There was only one time in my career, one time where I had to be honest with myself and say, not only do I not give my team the best chance to win right now, but I'm also playing for what is the ultimate goal. And that is to be ready to make a playoff run. And that was my last year in the NFL in 2020, when I had fracture ribs. And I had a puncture long, I didn't realize it. I just knew I had this having a hard time breathing and I couldn't really move. But it was, it was against the 49ers in a, in a game at home. And I played the first half, you know, with it. And then you sit for 20 minutes at halftime and you come out. And I just couldn't throw the ball in the third quarter. I can hand the ball off. Do I go over to coach Peyton, say, hey, just call some naked. You know, but man, my limits literally like 15 20 yards here. Can we win this game with 15 20 or let James Winston go out here? We've got, you know, a 10 point lead and just let him, let him manage it, slinging around and then I need to get healthy. And so we can make a playoff run. This was towards the end of the season. And that's what I chose to do. And I think it was the right decision. But yeah, that's, it's hard because again, you just have to ask yourself the single question. Do I give my team the best chance to win? And you got to think a little bit down the road as well. But it's, it's a warrior mentality. You don't want to miss any games. You want to be there for your team at all times. Only each individual guy knows what that, uh, what that limit is. Jim Gray with Drew breeze. We're here on Let's Go. Let's go is brought to you by monster energy. Monster energy is about living loud, going bigger and never backing down. That's the beast. That's monster energy unleashed the beast. As we continue here on Let's go, it comes up every week, seemingly hitting a fever pitch. Again, this week, the officiating what is roughing the passer anymore. It's pretty interesting that these flags are being thrown. And Tom Brady, who took more sacks than anybody back when he was playing, uh, he doesn't know what he's watching anymore. Drew, this roughing the passer, it's frustrating to be a fan and see this. Yeah, it seems like it's fairly subjective. It's obviously bang, bang. So in within the framework of a game and they seem to be extremely costly penalties whenever they are called the only way to, to combat it is, you have to start revealing them. You should review every single one of them and you should have a very clear set of rules as to what it is that you could sit there and analyze and it could go to New York and they could talk about it and maybe even make it to where it's, it's public, you know, or it's over over the, uh, over the network feed, you know, the same way it is in college where they're discussing some of those calls. But, but bottom line is it affects games. It's affecting the outcome of games and it's not always correct. And, and so in the spirit of the game, it, we have to make it correct, especially in those critical situations. So I don't know why they wouldn't just review every single one of them. And it's probably the only bang, bang type plays that they should review, but just because it has been such a difference maker in these games, they should review every single, uh, rough in the past. So you're actually a quarterback who feels for the defensive player. I do. It's hard to play defense these days. It's hard, it's hard to play deep. Look, I, I am, we as NFL players, we want player health and safety and we want to do as much as we can to, to make sure that guys are playing the game the right way, um, and that guys are staying as safe as possible. Um, so the hits on defenseless players, that's, that's a totally separate thing. And there's tons of those bang, bang plays that happen throughout the game as well. But the ones that seem to make the biggest difference in the game, especially in crunch time, when again, inside of four or five minutes of a game, like everybody is it, everything's in a fever pitch, right? Like guys are, I mean, there's an edge. Everyone's playing two and beyond the whistle a little bit. Like you just have to recognize that that's, it's a point in the game when you're going to let a little bit more of this go just because of the nature of the competition that's taking place. And so just be aware of that. And look, let's just go review every one of them and be very clear cut on what those rules and stipulations are so that it's consistent. I think that's what everybody wants to see is they just want to see consistency with the calls and accuracy with the calls. And you had an interesting one yesterday, uh, game that you were broadcasting on Fox with, uh, Mr. Scatterboop, uh, putting his head down and he decided that he was going to initiate a little contact and got flagged for it. Yeah, once again, um, within, we, we, we are very rare that an offensive player is going to be the guy who's going to be like, I can't recall the last time I've seen. I may be only one other time. Have I seen where they called an offensive runner, the guy with the ball for forceable contact on a defender? Okay, you hand the ball off to the running back. He runs between the tackles. A safety is sprinting at him from 10 yards deep and they collide. They meet at the line of scrimmage and the running back just happens to blow up the safety because the running backs 230 pounds and the safety is like a buck 80, okay? And then they throw a flag on the running back for forceful contact. It is football and between the tackles, in theory, you could call it every play. You could call every play. The very next play, Skataboo gets wrapped up and three dudes hit him in the face and there's no call. I mean, so, look, again, I get the defenseless player, receiver running across the middle. Let's protect him. Quarterback standing in the pocket, like, let's protect him from getting hit in the side of the head, right? But running back safety, if you pulled a hundred running backs and a hundred safeties and had him watch the play and say, is this a penalty? They say, absolutely not. Safety's running up to make the tackle. Running backs running through, trying to protect himself. That is, like, the essence of football was that play and we're throwing a flag for forceful contact by the runner. I mean, what's the runner supposed to do? He's got to protect himself. You're right. We get it. Drew, as always, appreciate your time. 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