Beauty Is Only Skin Deep with Ontonio Kareem

Welcome to my favorite lyrics podcast. We talk about music lyrics except for when we talk about other stuff and today You got a very special guest you might have seen his late night appearance, you know, you might have seen him He here he there he everywhere. You might have heard his music. Uh-huh, which he feel He don't you know all the way want to talk about but it but I just peeped and it is good. Welcome to the show on Tony O'Cream Appreciate you, man. Thanks for having me, man. What's up, Tony? How you living? I'm chilling, man. Thanks for the intro Very I've got got embarrassed to meet you It was for the for the people at home. I will say that uh, I will say that Carmen sent me sent me some of Tony's beats that he made And he sent me and I just listened to him right now and Tony went up and went to the bathroom and right as he walked back in We had his beef plan at full volume. Yeah, man. That's not how you want to walk into a room It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. I'll come to some shit you made in your bedroom during the pandemic. Oh, that was a pandemic pandemic and never interesting Yeah, when you was making it when you was making beats during the pandemic where you're like, oh, I'm gonna like I'm gonna start producing or you just like I just want to like make some stuff at the crew. I have been producing for eight years before. Oh, okay. Yeah So I knew what I was doing. Oh, so this was not a pandemic. You just made them during the pandemic. I made them during the pandemic. This was not like a pandemic It was I'm gonna start a new. This wasn't like how everybody was making sourdough bread. No, no, no, it wasn't sourdough. It wasn't People was making started drinking my attention. No, I was in it, bro. I was in it, but it's um They did well people fucked with it. Yeah, some reason, but I will never share it again You're not with so can can the people is it still a secret like because I didn't know that you made music at all And until they sent it to me there may or may not be a few songs on Spotify that I produced for people. Okay, I send out tapes I send out a you know, I send out beat packs and here and there and is that again is this public information is public now I never told nobody, but I'm under your name. No, so like people wouldn't be able unless they knew They may or may not be an album coming, bro Okay And stay tuned for that stay tuned for that man. Um, just sad niggabees That's honest. That's a good album title sad niggabees. I think we could fuck with that like that You know, I would be I would do something. It's just crying. I do something. Yeah, I do something. I do spoken word You know what I'm saying. I think spoken word is just inherently the funniest It's unintentionally the funniest thing in the world when I was like when I was at the show I was always trying to get a spoken word sketch off and they were like they don't fuck with it They were not It's I don't know I feel like they must have done some spoken word stuff But like I feel like we me and Gary and Alex try to get some spoken word joints off multiple times and It never it never went nowhere. I'm a be vulnerable with you right now, bro I did spoken word in college, bro And you got a lot of layers. I got a lot of shit going on And we just started brother. I'm like we've got used making beats. I was doing spoken words. I did a I did a acronym with my name You got to do that you got to be a big party. Yeah Oh Obviously society's trying to tell us down in no I will not you got to say to the man when he trying to hold you down Teeth the terror that they inflict on our communities. Oh open up society again. Let us thrive Infinitly That's incredible I love let people do some spoken word Lord Michael's if you're listening. We know that you are Listen I'm sure Lauren learn some subscriber. Oh god The patreon. I'm so curious. I wonder if he listens to any podcast at all. I have no idea what his like Media diet is like. I have no idea what kind of great TV shows and I know he loves Avatar Which the blue or the blue guys? Airbender. Oh the blue guys. That's a weird movie that's like really like I know whenever like Whenever sometimes like when somebody was like starring in a movie They would like you know people people are promoting someone's like come host a show And then sometimes if they were promoting a movie They would do a screening of the movie, you know like Michael B. Jordan was come in like they were like all right Come watch the screening of Creed and it was always like optional, but it was very much so like when it was Avatar It was very much like y'all gonna need everybody gotta pull up y'all gonna need to be there for Avatar like it's what was his thing He was just tough to say you know He's a mysterious man. That's some freaky shit. It's layers today. It has to be I can't I don't want to talk shit. I'll never Say that I completely understand him. Yeah, I don't think anybody really could but yeah He fucked up Avatar heavy. I will say I think just looking at him and seeing him over the years I feel like he listened to music that you do this to interest like do up. Yeah, do up. Krunny Yeah, but I think he listen to shit like you fuck with the Jersey boys heavy. What if he listened to Playboy or even listen to carny That would make me love him so deeply if he if he was listening to Playboy Cardi you fuck with Cardi Yeah, I do I what I mean I do fuck with Cardi But also if he fucked with Cardi that would just open up a brand new understanding of like who I who I see him to be I think that would like change the whole Saturday night life Because that mean you putting on a character. That's true. He has he been you know what he came as a guest when Travis Scott was there He's on you know, I did not meet him. He he did Man, he did some real cool cool niggas shit, which is that he like was basically like nobody knew where he was Nobody knew where he was truly until like right till it was time to hit for him to perform And then he like did his performance and I guess went in this green room wherever that was and then after the live show performance Like disappeared into the night. He turned into a bat. You know like literally like literally like he just like He just disappeared like his whole squad was just like out He wasn't around for none of the good nights or nothing like that He's exactly the way that I would assume that he would be I actually yearn for that You know what I mean? It's hard when you live like us to be mysterious in that way. That's true We smile too much, bro. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, we can't be there's no mystique to this. He's pretending to be a vampire I wonder if he's like not doing interviews the same way Beyonce don't do interviews because when Beyonce get on that mic And there's not singing sometimes I'll be like what the fuck are you talking about and call some things into question Yeah, you know the whale thing and I'm you know, I'm afraid to speak about my real thoughts on Beyonce publicly. No, bro I'm really up to now. No, we might be on the same page. I don't know that I do from Texas - I am from Texas They gone really they gonna be on my head in a way You know what I'm saying? You say one wrong thing about Beyonce now your social security is available on the internet Yeah, man now you wake up no liver Community and it's like I would I'd rather talk about Epstein and talk about that's the thing And talk about Beyonce. I'm so much more afraid of the Beyonce people I got I got my opinions about Beyonce So do I and I know it's some it's a lady who worked the fries at a Chick-fil-A in Georgia who don't play about Beyonce And she will she's gonna dox me and my family and that's just not something I'm prepared for so we could drop it So publicly publicly I got no stance on Beyonce privately find me at a bar after a couple drinks I have some things to say. Hey, man. Hey, Marie over Beyonce Crazy just a weird take. I'm reading this I'm reading this column about like number one hit songs this guy who What do you see? Where's this guy who works for stereo gum? He writes about like every single number one hit Zayn's Tom Brienne and It goes it starts from like basically now and goes all the way back to the 60s right now I'm in like where am I I'm in like 2001. I started like 2024 now. I'm back to like 2001 and like going back through like the 2000s I forgot there was a time where like Sierra kind of was popping more than Beyoncé And I don't think a lot of people I didn't remember that until I was going back and was like oh Sierra was like because it was right when Destiny Child was ending and Beyoncé was still trying to like figure out some around yeah, and Sierra just went like Sierra went crazy. She had the bow out endorsement. She had powerful people niggas niggas look at bow out present day They don't realize how powerful he was for a few years. It was a time Trace songs was over Beyonce, but see I'm not gonna go with you there. Yeah, I'm not going to go with you there I don't man and when when was that that was when niggas was in them skating rinks Is this skating rink is that a big part of like Chicago? Oh, yeah, but okay. Yeah, I'll skate we filmed they filmed roll bounce My career. Oh for real. I was almost in the roll bounce What what happened what got on the way between you My mom, bro look I got I did the first round of auditions. I was near skating backwards. I was killing shit So you was just skate did you have like lines or you would be one of the skaters got you? I I killed the audition though. They was like the boy can skate yeah callbacks came my mama said you're not about to be in no fucking skating Why not I said what's the problem or what like what what do you think we was just a weird family man My mom didn't let me outside for like 16 years. Okay, he was very used inside doing doing acronym poetry Yes, yes, I feel like I heard on another podcast you did your dad was like a big like conspiracy guy Yeah, I had my biological father was a nation of Islam Conspiracy guy. Okay, so just in there getting screamed at about the Bible. Okay Watching when roll bounce came out. I was like Okay, so they didn't want the outside influences to get to you Now, but if you're gonna do that then you can't be talking about the Andunaki, bro. - Yeah, it's awesome. - It's interesting for them to, for them to be like, "All right, you could audition the first time." It's gonna be like, "Yeah, that'll be fine." But once you do that second one, it's okay. - So once it became real, they were like, "Yeah, they was like, this boy." At every turn, they stopped me from my true goals. (laughing) Let's just take a moment. (laughing) - Let me turn it. - Stop it. My mom wanted me to be a neurosurgeon, eh? - I mean, that's a good, that's a good aspiration to have. Look at me, don't you want me operating on you? - Not personally, you know what? And I thought about that too, 'cause you've had so many chapters, 'cause you were also a therapist at some point, which I learned from your standup, which I'm not gonna hold you. I don't want you as my therapist. - Why, man? - I don't want you as my therapist, too cool. I don't want a cool guy therapist. I don't want a therapist that I could see in bottle service. And if I saw you in bottle service, I'd be like, that makes sense. That's not what I want from my therapist. My therapist, I want him to maybe have like a bow tie on. - You want a therapist and you wanna say something? - No, no, no, no, I don't want a therapist that I think knows the same songs that I do. I don't want that. - I hear you. - I see, I don't want a therapist who's kind of like me. I want a therapist who's like, I want a therapist who lives in like, you know, like Connecticut, or something like that. And it's like, tucked away, got a family, got like a dog. Might be divorced, but like, got a little family tucked away and is like, listening to jazz. Like I need, so you might be listening to jazz, but like I need that to be like the primary source of it. I need somebody, you two outside to be my therapist. Hey, that's why I was with the kids. - Oh, you was with kids. - 'Cause the kids fuck with that. They're like, oh, Tom, that's the Tom is cool. - I didn't really, what age was this? - Where it was all ages, but mostly high school. - Okay, you know, maybe that's different actually. - Yeah, kids, they want to, they want to feel that. - That's fair. If I was, yeah, if I was 16, I would want somebody that I could like look up to. It'd be like, maybe that's what I'd be like when I grow up. - When you were growing man, you got to get you a dude with a George Jefferson. - You understand what I'm saying? - Yeah, because somebody who's either bald dang or all the way bald. - I had a, I had a five therapist. She was a black woman, fine as hell. - That's a problem. - It was a problem as well. 'Cause she became a fan. We was flirting suddenly. I was just like, I didn't get better at all this year, though. - If anything, in some ways, I got worse. - I got worse this year, bro. I'm in here, she getting up to give me water. I'm looking, it was bad, bro. - Yeah. - Yeah, so don't, what happened to her? - I had to get out of there, man, sure. - Yeah, she was, she was starting. She was like, let me come to a show. - No, no, no, no, no, no. - Nobody should ever, no therapist should ever say anything like that. But yeah, you shouldn't have a cute therapist, you shouldn't have a young therapist, you shouldn't have a, just get a white therapist. - Honestly, I have a white lady therapist and she's like, she's probably about, she's in her 40s, she's in 40s, she got two kids, she live in the suburbs. - That's exactly, that's exactly who I need to be speaking to. - She don't know shit about what, she don't know. - She's no idea what I got going. Every, sometimes I'll be explaining stuff to her, she'll be like, wow. She'll be like, whoa, that's what's, that's what's going on, that's who I need as a therapist. - And I know you're not supposed to do this, but you can lie a little bit to them. - You can, sure. - And I don't go in there lying, but sometimes you can, I think the thing is, I want a therapist who knows what I'm lying and is like, yeah, and is like, hey, hey, hey. - Yes. - Cut that shit out. - That's what I'm saying. I feel like they so not in our system, in our orbit that they can be like, that doesn't feel right. - Ideally. - Yeah, hopefully. (upbeat music) - So are you from Chicago? - I'm from Chicago, man. - Tell me, what was a young tone listening to in Chicago? - Was your parents, they were keeping you away from things, were they also keeping you away from like the music? - The music was open, see you soon, bro. - I was a nerd, I was that loopofiasco. - Of course. - I was a, the cool kids. We got an episode with the cool kids coming out soon. - What? - Yeah, we had them. - Mike and them. - Yeah, Mike and Chuck, they pulled up, we got an episode coming out soon. - Oh, those are my niggas, bro. - I was, I was on all the nerd niggas rap, but Kanye, obviously, and then Kee-A-Cutty came, and that was it. - Yeah, that was, that did a lot. - Was you on the Kee-A-Cutty? - Of course. - I was listening to all that stuff. - Okay. - Wait, can I say something separately about, when I had my homie Opion, Opion did an episode a few weeks ago, and a clip came out where he was saying that Lupet paved the way for Kendrick. - Bro, they beefing right now? - Yeah. - This is what I'm saying, bro. - Okay, what's your stance, bro? 'Cause I, we have not discussed this, but that clip with Opion talking about Kendrick and Lupet. After that, since then, now Lupet's been speaking publicly, and he's been speaking publicly on the whole Kendrick shit, and I can't help but think that we started that. - A little bit. - How many do you think? 'Cause that was not in the Zika. Those two names were never really next to each other. Lupet, if you're listening, we know that you are a pull-up to the show. We'd love to talk to you. I do think that the discourse about this started on this show for real, for real. What was Opie's stance? I 100% agree. Let's see. I'm gonna pull it up so we can hear exactly what he was saying. 'Cause this was really a Opie take. I was there for it, but this is really-- - Okay, there is no Kendrick without Lupet. - Interesting. - And this is a take. - To me, there is no Kendrick without Lupet. - This is really a take. Okay, I'll come with you. Look at the conscious rapper architect. There's no Lupet without a talib or a nose. I still think he's the greatest lyricist of all time. I didn't say artist. The greatest lyricist of all time. - Which, if you look at what Lupet's been saying, Lupet's saying this exact same thing. - He is. - Lupet's saying, "I'm Kendrick's a better artist. "I am better at the rapidy rap shit." - Absolutely, bro. He said Kendrick got better beep. - Beats. - Beats. - Selection. - Music videos. - Roll out. - Swag. - Yeah. - Oh, that's true. - It is, but. - But he's like, if you just talk about these bars, Lupet is like, "I got that." And that's what OP's saying. - Food and liquor got some of the coldest bars I've ever heard. Am I, have you heard the cool thing? - Of course. That was like, to me it was like, it felt like he was like, he did, he did food and liquor and then he did the cool. And then, I mean, he'll talk about this where it's like, label shit got involved. And then he's starting to put, now, some of the most bullshit ass singles that you could tell, like his heart wasn't in it. - Some of the lasers. - Lasers. - When lasers came out, you could just tell, like, I forget what was on there, but he was really, he had just some joints with like Ed Sheeran and she had like that. - Ed Sheeran, all black, everything. - You could just, I do. - And you could just tell, he was, he was getting steered in the wrong direction. - He was. - And it was never really the same for him after that. - No. - He lost his spirit. They, they could have sold out, man. But he, Lupet is, he's incredible. - I think he's fathered a lot of these new guys, at least on the lyrical side, but interesting. - 100%. - And you don't get his flowers and, oh, the show goes on. - That's what you knew. - The show goes on. - Right. - That's what it's called. - My mouth flip. - That's when you knew he was moving in maybe the wrong direction. - Man, you can't go from having Gil Scott on the song to Superstar, bruh. - You know what I'm saying? - I like Superstar. - I like Superstar, but it's not, it's ass. - In comparison to all his other shit. - He had better joints. - I'll say, I went to the Wikipedia page for the show goes on from 2010, and he talked about the background, and he said there's nothing to really say about that record, to be honest. I didn't have nothing to do with that record. That was the label's record. They, it wasn't like I knew the producer, the writer, that was one of those records that they gave me, and they even told me stuff they wanted me to wrap about. It wasn't like, oh, I found inspiration and did the show goes on. This was just like a big thing that I had to do, and that had to be the first single if the record was gonna come out. So, straight up was like, they just straight up were like, here, this is the song, and if you want to album, then you gotta do this, which is like, which is fucked up, which is fucked up, and I feel like when that, and that, also I believe, wasn't hit song. It was crazy. - Yeah, that was actually a pretty big hit song. So they were right, but like, I feel like that, like, ate away at it. That song went seven times platinum. - That's, that's actually fucked up. Imagine somebody telling you to do something you really don't wanna do, and then you do it, and then that shit kills you. - It goes crazy, and they wanna do it in every concert for the rest of your fucking career. - Bro, you know, Lupe was a real gangster about that shit, though, he gathered a group of random niggas to pull up on Dev Jam, or wherever he was at. - And they stood outside the goddamn label, demanding him to be released. - Oh, really? - Like, Lupe is a real nigga, bro. Like, he, but ever since then, like, now he's rapping about dinosaurs and shit, have you heard that song? - No, I had to, I had to go ahead and tap out on Lupe. - Oh, don't tap out. - I had to go ahead and tap out on Lupe. - Don't tap out on my, let me look. He's put out one, since lasers, one, two, three, four, five, six albums, his last album called Samurai, which, that feels right, that feels like. - I need you to go listen to one Lupe song. It's called Murals. - Okay, I'll put it down. - Put it down, some of the best bars. - He's on his rap, he's barren out on there. No chorus, no nothing. Nigga just rapped for six minutes straight. - Murals, Murals, Lupe, Fiasco. There's a song called Mural, and then he, hold on, he got a song called Mural. He got a song called Miss Mural, and Mural Jr. - Okay, who the fuck is Mural? - I don't know. - Clearly, Mural, Mural connected with him in a deep way. - In a deep, deep way. But anyway, he was listening to, he was listening to kind of the nerd rappers. But really, I was on that rock shit, bro, I'm not gonna lie to you. - Oh, so when Wayne did that rock album, you was like- - I was on that. - I was on that, that shit was- - This is where we got to disagree. - That shit was five, bro. - This is where we got to disagree. - Bro. - I was not doing that. - He wasn't fucking way, he was the first, so then you don't fuck, what was he in there? - Disagree. I think, you know what, I think Wayne did kind of set the stage, but that was also what was going on. Remember party like a rock star? Yeah. Party like a rock star. That kind of thing was going on. Wayne was just like the biggest artist to really jump on that and get the guitar. But then I think Oozzy and them kind of took it to like Oozzy and like Juice World and all of them. I think they kind of perfected it. I think Wayne, Wayne was never really supposed to be doing that. But I think he dipped his toe in there. He was like, let me try. Yeah. And I think collectively, a lot of us was like, don't do that. I fucked up. You was on the. You don't think he opened the door for them? I do. I don't think he opened the door. I just, I didn't like the way he opened it. I didn't care for the style of which he opened the door. But then like I said, once he opened the door, I fucked up a lot of the Juice World stuff. Were you around when. Juice World went to school down the street from me, man. Over. Yeah. He was like wrapping around town. There you go. Yeah, but he was cold. I, you know, I wasn't the biggest Juice World fan though. I was on chance, heavy when he first came out, Sabah, Smino, no name. Fuck this. Smino. Crazy. You know, if you're listening, we know what you are. Pull up. We love that. Pull up, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. Now because you live enough life and you're like, oh, I'm actually one degree removed from like a lot of the people out there. The best thing he was in Chicago, he was like, you probably knew somebody who knew every single one of these people. Yeah, you knew? No. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No, I don't know. No. I met Chance once. I'm one step away from Sabah and Smino and him, but it was, man, Smino, I got to thank you personally, man. OK. For years, bro, every time I brought a young lady over, you put on that amphetamine. Yeah. You got me a lot, I appreciate you, but seriously, man, I got to look in the camera for this. Yeah, man. Yeah, look at that. Smino, bro, keep putting that shit out, man, you starting families over here, bro. So you raised my success rate from 80 to 100, bro. I was already 80. It was good. It was good. Yeah. But I met 100% when Black swank of all. Yeah. That's, yeah. It's a, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Smino, Smino, really resonate with, and you know when it's right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I can look at a woman and tell you if Smino is going to be the right vibe for her. Yeah. Because you can't. If she got like a real job, it's not going to hit the side. Depends on what kind of job. Oh, you said if she's like corporate. If she work in tech, it ain't going to hit like the interest aim, but what if she work in, what if she work in tech, but she from Atlanta? Hmm. Then we don't have to, we don't test the water. She's going to throw out. We might throw some Isaiah, Rashad, or something. To me, I think if any woman has ever been to like a store that sells like alternative soap, this Smino going, this Smino going to connect. Does she ever been to one of those stores that like don't, they don't sell like the main, the anode of in the establishment. It's all homemade soap. No paraben. And like it's all like specialty oils. You don't bend to the specialty oil in so place, this Smino going, it's going back. That's a ten out of ten. If you bought Shea butter off the street, yeah, that's for you. If you bought a brick of Shea butter, a brick of Shea that lasts you six years. Yes. That's the Smino. Yeah, I was listening to all of that shit, man, but I was also listening to like my chemical romance. I had an emo era, which it feels like, because a lot of that stuff came out of Chicago too, right? A lot of those. Like, it was like a rock shit. Yeah, it was just these smaller bands that fall out boys in Chicago, which also makes sense now when you look at the like, when you look at like, all right, Wayne's popping and fall out boys popping the exact same time, all the kids that was like, and that's how you get juice world, literally literally, bro. And then you got, bro, we had so much shit happening at the same time. And then you got drill rap, right, cracking at the exact same time. We saw each other a couple of days ago, and we was talking about being in Chicago when Chief Keith popped off. Tell the people about that. Man, Chief Keith, I got to look at you too, man. I know you're listening. Chief Keith, you're listening. You started way too many fights, bro. We trying to shake As, bro, I'm talking about for like six years straight. I'm not shaking As, but for six years straight, finito, come on, don't like, come on. You got to lead an establishment, man, because it's somebody 30 year old, 20 year old uncle that's ready to shoot everybody. Yeah. It's interesting when music like that. I think about this sometimes where it's like the music that like the music you really want to get played when you're at a party is the music that the girl's like, yes, because like that's if the girls are in a good mood that that's a that's an economy stimulator. That's good for everybody. Yes. I'm sorry for the whole community if the girls is having a good time, but there are certain songs that the DJ will play that like instantly turns the energy in the room angry and somehow stinky. My shirt shouldn't be wet. That's what I'm saying. I have to pause. I remember being, I remember when when antidote came when antidote to Travis Scott's song. Oh, yes, bro. The one don't you open up that window. You can hear it's got those like drum, drum, drum. When those chords come on, you can see at the vast majority of women who are on the dance floor who might have been listening to passion fruit. They might have been listening and they went from that then you're don't, don't, don't, and then you can see the women leave the dance floor. You can see niggas that have been sitting off to the side. Yes. Not participating in any way at any stage before they. They take and they fucking check if they spark and they are they turn and they have backwards. They ready to the fucking look goes in that song, fucking mo bomba, finito, harden to paint. You can see the women who fears entering women's eyes because they know elbows are about to get thrown. So I'm going to mustiest niggas is that the entire function is making their way to the floor. Yes, bro. All of niggas are sitting there because they arms, they didn't put no deodorant on. Yes. They stand up. Dreams and nightmares. I'm so glad that shit is over with, bro. I remember when it popped and it did do it for me then. But now one, I'm not from Philadelphia and two, I'm going to be honest, I like the beginning part of the song. I like the chill part of the song. I like the chill part of the song with the piano. It's very inspirational. That's beautiful. He's really wrapping his ass off as soon as it gets to hold on, wait a minute y'all thought I was finished. I'm like, I don't want this to be going on anymore and then niggas are yelling and they're spitting. You know, I'm dancing in my butts and I'm like, I'll go sit down when that's done. You know what I mean? As soon as I like the opening instance, you know, the piano section. Who was y'all turn person in Texas? Who was the one that got the shit shaken? I mean, there's like Texas songs that like, there's a song called Mo City Dawn that like is by this Texas you name zero that like if you're if you're Texas and you're in a function that's going to, it's not going to turn it up, but every single person in the thing is going to like start wrapping. Like every single person in the function knows every single word, want to be a baller's another Texas song that a man, this is, you ever have songs that like, these are like real like local dudes like, these are real like Houston dudes. So like, this is stuff that if you're from Texas, every Texas person knows these songs, but I forget that other people don't know about Texas, y'all are very insular, bro. Yeah. Y'all shit. All of our local niggas have become. Y'all went crazy. Yeah, but it's like Texas is very, I'd be going to Texas and I'm like, bro, what the fuck is bending? Yeah. Bending is like, I don't know if it's just my algorithm, but bending is very part of my algorithm. It's probably because I'm watching all the videos every time a video pops up, I am watching the entire time. I'm watching Tessa Korean. Every fucking night. And if y'all look it up again, I should, I should was talking to me and she was like, she was like, is this how y'all really dance in Texas and I was like, absolutely. That's, bro, I'm not going to hold y'all spent many nights in the mirror trying to hit that shit, bro. That's the Duggy is a Texas dance that California group popularized it, but they will say in the song is a down south dance, they learned a little too fast, took it to the hood and got the whole crew ass like that's. And Texas dancing is, it's mainly shoulders. It's mainly shoulders and hips, so it's all like, it's a lot of swinging too. A lot of swings. And then you throw in the shoulders, my favorite one is like when you, when you bend in, when you hit the, you hit the mirror, you hit it, you hit the mirror, you hit it again. That's the, that's the, that's, that's, that's very Texas, what is the, oh y'all be working, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork. Joukin is just throwing ass, joukin is you get on the wall, oh I thought this was a whole different thing. See, I'm misunderstanding. But really, okay. So there's factions, right? Okay, okay. Joukin, yeah. For us was just throwing ass. Okay. But then you got the perculator. It's time for the perculator. You know the perculator. This shit, right? I've seen it, yeah. You hit that, yeah. That's also considered joukin or house in a way. Okay. Then you got footwork, nigga. Have you seen your footwork? I've definitely seen footwork. My homie, my homie who met Jose is from Chicago. He know how to footwork. He don't, he's not. He don't really know how to footwork. But I feel like everybody from Chicago at least will like fuck around with it for a second. We got a two seconds of footwork. Everybody hits the main, every area. Bang, bang, bang. That's what I do. That's what I know about Chicago. And one of the Chicago songs, she got a big ol' dude, he booty. Bro. We got, this nigga turning me up. We got to watch my feet. Chicago classics. It fucks Chicago. Wow bro, you bring it shit up, I forgot about, nigga. Bro. Yeah. It's also like, oh no, never mind. It's, I also just, I learned about a buck 50 hat. What? You know about this? No. Oh, I think this might be from a different part of Chicago. Is this from West Side? I think it is from West Side. It's from West Side. Now the West Side is a whole different world, bro. Interesting. I'm from the South Side. What's the, can you break down South Side West Side? - The outside is what you know. It's like all the shit you know, what? I think it's a whole different thing going over those are the big pelly pelly interesting they they all got knives Don't shoot over there. They got nothing like that London. Yes, but it's like they are frozen in time in the west side But interesting if you go to the west side to look like the west like a wild western movie, but interesting I think that's where I bet I've been on the west side because I was on my home in my home in Puerto Rican Okay, yeah, he gonna be on K-Town somewhere. Yeah, this is the fascinating thing that our Chicago's so segregated that you could literally just say your Ethnicity and people know exactly what part of town you for absolutely. I met my homie. I might have told the story before my homie Literally like he I introduced him to my other friend's wife who's also from Chicago, and they were talking and they were like oh like Dada and She's like, oh, I'm Mexican. He goes. Oh, word. He goes. I will see you from What's it? What's it called? What's the Mexican? Yeah, you from Yeah, and she goes oh, you're Puerto Rican you from Humboldt Park and they're yeah, yeah, I was just like literally just get married They literally just did that and it was just I was like damn Chicago's really Chicago is fucked up I can tell you exactly where everybody is. Yeah, it's but the west side. I don't know what's happening over there I'll go over there. Yeah, there's a chicken ward that's happening. Okay Chicago hair rolls versus Uncle Remus Okay, Uncle Remus is on the west side is better than here. I will say it's better than here But the shit you got to go through to get over there. It's a hole. It's a hole Yeah, I got uncles on the west side. I will never go see them Too much it's too much going on. Yeah, this is much more like Mad Max over there, bro It's bad, bro, but they got the best sobbing them from the west side. Okay, got you Hannibal, Hannibal from the west side Hannibal from the way and he at Bro, I love you Hannibal, but yeah, Hannibal acts like a west side nigga, bro. Interesting. How so they we West side nigga's aren't weird bro. It's like a lot of you act like Hannibal Hannibal doesn't make sense. Yeah, and the scheme of Chicago. Yeah, where does he fit? I Can't speak to that he's on the way he's doing west side shit. That doesn't make sense You shouldn't be that smart and slow talking. Yeah. Yes, Hannibal is a perfect representation of a west side I need shout out shout out Hannibal. We got you Hannibal on the show Hannibal. Yeah, that would be great You know what I'm saying? I'm sure he got a lot of thoughts on I'm sure you do He probably don't like nothing. I just said probably not I doubt it. I doubt it and because you said that This gonna make it's way he gonna win this come out. Oh, yeah, I lost you gonna get a DM. I lost that connection That connection's lost. Sorry Tone you brought you brought some lyrics for us today. I did I did you brought some lyrics for us today I mean we could talk about these or if it's some other joints you want to talk about I panic than these the ones that pissed me off the most I'm gonna just pick these go go wherever you want to give the the name and the artist to the people and then go wherever you want to go All right, so first one I got Good ass song. I like song about childhood. I Don't know why they let this nigga in the studio because he got in here. This is bad rock by young money This thing is said. I'm got a gutter. I Put her under she see me with her. No Stevie Wonder She eat don't even wonder because she knows she bad. I got a nigga Grocery bag What the fuck you talk that is one of the worst bars I've ever heard in my fucking life me and my homies have been Shitting on this nigga for years because it is. Yeah, it don't it's not even that big of a deal, but the grocery bag I know niggas took their headphones off at Was in the studio they said why the fuck would you say that shit, bro? Yeah, yeah, it's one of the worst I hate this bar better. I also better. I guess a lot of egregious things going on Dude, but this one hit me in a way that I could not believe yeah cuz it's like it's you got her gross grocery bag That's not to me. What are you talking about? What do you I understand that you bagged her all of that whatever? You didn't set it up at all no, we didn't and it's um I Also don't like I see me with their no Stevie Wonder I don't like because there's maybe one day we'll sit down and do all the Stevie Wonder Ray Charles bars We have there's with that might need to be its own separate episode because that's this comes up Stevie Wonder Ray Charles that that comes up. Is this a segment quite a bit? It's not but it's gonna be you should make it a second. Yeah, this is gonna be I'm so tired of dudes hitting no Stevie Wonder bar It's too much. It's too much between the Stevie Wonder Ray Charles bars and I got I keep that strap like a dyke That one comes up quite a bit. You know what they've been doing with that one. What's that my gun gay? Yeah, the guns have been gay for the last like three. Yeah, I heard another one was like oh It was like what was it? It was like I call my Glock X team cuz it liked to touch niggas. Oh, yeah Or it's like I call it diddy cuz it liked to touch me like something was something like that this but that diddy makes most because that's being didn't really touch that many Yeah, that's true. Maybe as I call it diddy. I called a Glock diddy cuz it touch niggas. Maybe it's that I don't like the I don't like the I got a Glock for the dick on it. It's a lot of that. It's a lot of dicks on the glass And I'm just like it's cuz it touch niggas. It's crazy. It's it's that's beautiful man. Well It's yeah, I guess in a sense it is it is interesting I do feel like the like next the like generation of like kids that are like in their teens and 20s are so much looser about just like saying like Funny gay shit. Yes, you know what I'm saying then like any like rapper that I grew up here Like nobody even used to really play like that and now I feel like kids are real the kids are really making it they're really laughing it like Saying like the sassy reps is coming. Yeah, because the girls killing right now. That's what it is Maybe that's part of it. So it's like the dudes are leaning into that like that like feminine energy and just like I mean that's again Little woozy bird. I feel like it's tapping into that a lot one of the sassy as rappers I've ever seen in my life and somebody I haven't talked about enough on this podcast. I'm fascinated by low-oosie Vert I love loozy with my whole heart. I think he's impossibly talented and I'm also just like I Maybe I just don't know enough about Philly, but I'm just like How did he come to be? Because he don't fit in Philly either, bro? Not in the way that I understand I'm not a Philly expert You know what I'm saying? We might got to get Reggie or Chanel to come back to discuss this more fully But like I am just like how did Philadelphia make this like five foot to like sassy like Rock listener who wears braces for style and where's braces just cuz he thinks they look cool My boy put the Naruto gym and his boy and he know how to break dance. Yes, he's actually. He's a really good dancer He's a really good dancer also. He's with one of the city girls I don't know if they still together, but they was together for like some time. They still together They probably just go on off the grid and just say what? Who is this and people respect oozy? It's like all the sassyness. Yeah, he has respect in the industry I guess it's like he's he's being himself and I feel like that is something that black people especially will always like if you being who Really are. Yeah, I feel like they gonna be like, no, that's he really like that now Sure. Yeah, because that is a more recent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We wasn't letting We wasn't letting Who didn't we let be they self man? I feel like it was a pretty nice. We got anybody who's wearing skinny jeans to early jerk Everybody's wearing skinny jeans to early. Who brought that about the skinny jeans? West Coast. Yeah, that was like that. That was like a LA thing for sure. Yeah Those guys were wearing they were wearing like purple skinny jeans and like While it chains. I'm gonna keep it real, bro. I just put my skinny jeans up like two years ago Interesting. Chicago. He was holding on late. Chicago got a very strong skinny chain It's funny how that works though because if you were too early on the skinny jeans niggas would laugh you out of the building now if you If you will hood nigga, you have to have skinny jeans. That is very it did moving that direction. It did move in that direction I remember being in high school and they weren't even skinny jeans. They were just like slim fit jeans. Yeah And niggas didn't let me hear the end of it I tried it once and literally I was like, you know what? I'm gonna save these till college I'm gonna keep it to college. I'm gonna reinvent myself as a slim jeans These weren't even the real skinny's and then eventually I did get around to the real skinny's when it was like fully embraced but I tried a little too early and I think I think a lot of you Devon, bro. You you damn Too big. I'll be keeping the right. Sure You know, I mean, I wouldn't do it now. No, I certainly wouldn't do it today, but like a younger version of myself Yeah, I was doing also Wayne was really big on skinny skis sagging your skinny's and wearing it with the vans I was definitely doing that but in the event that skinny. I've seen like certain like I've seen certain fashion shows where they're trying to bring skinny jeans back and I'm sure it will happen probably in the next Five six years skinny jeans will be back. I will not be participating. No, I'm I'm sitting there I'm sitting there forever. You heard what I'm saying. I might not even wear jeans no more, bro I'm I'm with you on that. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm I'm all for it Um, and you brought us another song, Tom. You brought us Another song that I really do like a lot. This is a great song, but I have an opinion about this. I don't think too short should ever be on another song ever again Speak on it. I don't want too short on any more songs. He's ruining every song This is girls by Kia Kuddy right objectively one of the best songs of that air. I like it a lot. This nigga too short This nigga too short hopped on me in the song and said, "Open up those exotic thighs." The baddest little bitch have black, have tie. Don't be prejudice 'cause she's mixed. I still fuck the blackest bitch. That's how it is. If you were in my world, life's getting mama, you a white girl. I got that fever. A big, big, you know what I feed her. Now, this is a lot going on in here, man. It's coded. After that, he also goes, "Met a girl named Maria." It's your turn. I love them, senior readers. Yeah, it's nigga. Two short, amen. You two old for this, stop rap. But this is coded. This is a lot going on. Speak on it. Go ahead. I do think of your mama white and you mixed, you white. Whoa. And he's right about that. Here's the little highlight. (laughs) I like how you were like, you were like, two short needs to be stopped. You gotta get him out of here. You're like, I'm the first thing he did say, correct. I'm a fair man. Correct, and I can't argue with that on any love. That's 100% true statement. Interesting. Let me ask you, let me ask you this though. Doesn't matter, 'cause I've heard this applied to mixed men. Mm. Right? I've heard this applied to mixed men. If you got a white mom, you lean white. You got a black mom, you lean black, which generally I have found to be true. For sure. Do you think that changes for women, for shorties with white moms, black dads? Do you think they, do you think they still white? I think shorties whose moms are white. But if they daddy is black and bald, they gonna try their best to be black. This is so specific. I noticed. Yeah, I've gotten field research. (laughs) I've been-- You looked around, you've had a microscope in. I went to higher education, man. I was in those higher education, sure. If they daddy is not bald, they gonna go white. Interesting. So if they dad got dreadlocks, they lean towards the white side. They goin' white. Interesting. 'Cause it's too much for them. What if their dad got a fade? Then you, then, then he probably in an NBA. And then that's, they just, they gon' go with whatever the money is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They gon' go wherever they go. If they daddy is bald, and he got a good job, and he's spoiled him. Interesting. They gon' be black. They gon' try to be black. This is, this is interesting. Now I gotta keep, I gotta keep my eyes open, bro. I gotta keep my eye out for this situation. 'Cause I do, I feel like I got a good understanding for what's happening with black mixed dudes, but like, or I'm sorry, with mixed men. I don't think I ever understanding about what's happening with mixed women in the same way. Black dudes go real militant when they mama white. They be trying to overdo it. They try, they be like, this is long enough. But it doesn't really. It don't land, right? Does anybody ever hit you with the biracial allegations? Bro. Yes. (laughing) Bro, man. All right, I did a special on YouTube or whatever. Yeah. And I'm talking about black issue, black therapy, other shit. Yeah. In the comments, they talking about this crazy coming from a nigga who mama white. (laughing) I said, how you gon' make mama white? (laughing) What? How y'all just make mama white? That's crazy, they didn't look at no photos. No, really, sir. But you're not talking about me and my racial at all. And they just be like, my voice don't even go by racial, bro. (laughing) Do you think certain people got biracial voice? Yes. Patrick, my home. Patrick, my home's logic. Well. Yeah. And logic, I'm not saying-- Logic fully passing. Yeah. Well, he white. Yeah. Logic fully passing. It's not even a matter of how they speak proper. Yeah. It's like a tone. It's a inflection thing. Yeah, it's a tone. It's a note that they're hitting. It's like, oh, you're in the biracial. Yeah, man. When they say nigga, it hurt. Yeah. If Patrick, my home said nigga, you would really have to. You'd stop the presses. Yeah, you'd have to be like, oh, my home's bad. But my home situation's interesting because his daddy is one of the blackest men. On the planet. Like one of the niggas, niggas, I've ever seen in my entire life. Yes, bro. And he did not-- somehow that didn't transfer. That's why I don't like Patrick my home, man, because he chose that. You can't have that daddy in the house. And be like, hey, guys, what's going on? Well, hey, guys. But I think this lends to the white mom theory. Because he got a white mom in. And he really-- Oh, he really went that way. He really-- he said, I'm going over there. Damn, that suck, bro. Derek Jeter? Wow. I thought Derek Jeter was just-- And this is what I'm talking about. Derek Jeter got a home like that. Wait. I had a moment like this probably about 10 years ago. I had this exactly-- Why would it? I didn't know that. Mariah Carey too. I didn't know Mariah Carey was black until I was like 22. It go what? I didn't know that. Do you know she was a fully white girl? No, she was just like, they're just like neutral. Like, I don't-- They're like-- I don't think of them as black. I don't think of them as white. They're just like-- they're just them. Jay fucking Cole is mixed. White mama. Yeah, but he really-- he lean black. I don't like-- I think Jay Cole to Cornie is nigga on the planet. Well, sure, sure, sure. But that's separate, though. But still, he's still like-- You think he-- I don't-- Absolutely. I don't feel nigga on him for real. Oh, no, I definitely do. Do you? Yeah, yeah, I definitely do. I think he's an exception to the rule. When I hear him rap, it goes logic to me. It sounds like logic to me, man. I will say, I was at one point-- My homie, Donovan, you've met the other day. He's a huge Jay Cole supporter. I wonder if he'll hear this. I don't know if he listens to the putt. Donovan? Donovan, tune in, man. If you're listening, thank you. If you're not listening, hey, what the fuck, Don? Support me. I do gotta be my friend. Yeah, Donovan, what the fuck? But Donovan is a huge Jay Cole supporter to this day. I started off when I first found Jay Cole. I was all about it. And he lost to me probably about-- Probably about 2015. I had to-- I fell off of the Jay Cole train. But I was on-- Wait, what was your reason? Uh, I just was like-- I think I was just, like, kind of bored by his whole thing. I think, to me, his beat selection is really, like, uninteresting. He's still making, like, 1990s. Like, none of his shit sounds, like-- None of his stuff sounds interesting to me. No. And also, like, so much of his ethos still comes from, like, not making the basketball team when he was fucking 16. And that's my qualm. It still feels like that. And I'm just like, oh, I'm bored by this. Resonated with me when I was a teenager when I was first hearing it. Now, you grow-- You even more grown to me. I'm grown. And you still feel like that's, like, heavy on you. And I'm just like, it's just not really cool to me anymore. Jay Cole, man, you've been rich for 20 years. I don't want to hear about you selling shit out the trunk no more. I don't want to hear about, shut the fuck up. I had an argument with my homie the other day, bro. I think Freddie Gibbs has a better catalog than Jay Cole. I'll go with you on this. You with me on this. No, no, no, no. I think just, like, projects top to bottom. I think I would much rather-- especially at this stage of my life, I would much rather listen to, like, a new Freddie album than a new Jay Cole album. I'll put on any new Freddie album. I'm-- especially if it's him in the Alchemist. I'm putting that in Off-Rip. Jay Cole, I'm like, these songs don't have to find me. I'm going to have to hear this out somewhere. It's just going to have to come to me some other kind of way, because I'm not going top to bottom, Jay Cole project. That's a beautiful way to describe Jay Cole. If he don't reach me, I'm not going to search for him. I think Jay Cole probably is-- he's had way more like radio success. He's way more like hit songs, like songs that you could-- I'm like, is there a Jay Cole song you can play, like, at a party that, like, is going to make the party feel good? Not really. I think that's the thing we're wrapping right now. That's the distinction now. Do you turn the bitches up? Right. Or do you make niggas cry in a room alone? And everybody doesn't need to do everything. No, I do feel like to be considered an all-time great artist. You kind of need to be able to-- I think part of being an all-time great artist is being able to switch into different modes. And being like, oh, here's my introspective joint. Kindrick is a good-- Kindrick has some joint. If you put on-- if you put on, all right, in a function-- Everybody's getting up. Fucking problems. You got the wrong fucking song. But the verse go crazy. He has some of that, even if it's not his natural state. Jay Cole, I straight up don't think-- I think Jay Cole has, like, a joint. Jay's got multiple joints that you get, especially in New York, that you could put on and really get the crowd rocking. I don't know if-- I think Jay Cole is a single one. But anyway, sorry. I got distracted. I got distracted. You was on the two short verse. Oh, two short. I think I was done. You got to stop, though. I just want you to stop. Open up those exotic thighs. It's crazy. Let's go bar for bar. Go ahead. Fine. He old nigga, they say shit like that. Sure. You know? The baddest bitch had black halftime. Sounds beautiful. Doesn't look great. Don't be prejudiced 'cause she's mixed. Nobody was prejudiced, my name. I wasn't. Especially, it's like you walked in with a blazian woman. Nobody was going to be like-- Get her away from you. You don't want you with that black and Asian woman who probably looks gorgeous. If anything, people would be happy for you. If anything, she go to the bathroom and he's like, "Hey, boy." You going crazy? Hey. You doing black halftime? You feeling-- Hey, nobody prejudiced. This is my line. This is the line I hate. You did say that. Two short, bro. What do you mean by that? It's also interesting because he's-- The line before, he's with a black woman already. He's with a black woman already. I'm removable. And then he goes, "But I still fuck the blackest bitch." That's what I'm saying, two short. Two short. Two short, two short. Mr. Short, bro. Dullesign. Come on. Orts. It feels the way that he said it makes it feel like he doesn't want to do it. And if y'all go listen to the song, he say it how I just said it. The blackest bitch. He says he puts a little stain on it. I don't like that. No, that's how it is if you in my world I'm the blackest bitch. That's how it is in my world. Like we like a WWE wrestler like we in jail Welcome to my world. Welcome to my world Like again, then you get the rest. We had the white mom of discussion, but like the blackest bitch shit It's like too short, bro. You too rich for this. Yeah, why are you internal? Why do you have internalized racers in there? It is there's some of that in there. It is I didn't like that man. Yeah, cuz it's like Like the blackest bitch is like I still do it if I got to it is interesting to not to be not to go to Dr. Umar. Let's go not to go to Umar on it, but I will say If you look at it the only when he's talking about a light skin white mama you a white girl And he says What does he say he's like I love them senior readers? Yeah, and then the only time he says bitch is when he's talking about the black women Now you watch a little bitch have black have taught fuck the blackest bitch. Now you walking with him He is never none of the other women as bitches except for the black so too short Dr. Umar looking at you kind of crazy Man, your tone is crazy. Your tone is crazy because when you say black is you putting all the emphasis on the bees Black is bad Then you go say you read it. Yeah, you see it in his light tone. Yeah, Karen. Yeah, too sure we'll beat you up Yeah, don't do that ever again. Actually stop rapping Too short and E 40 got to stop whoa But E 40 got one of the funniest Instagram pages on the bag on be on your head. Oh, I am coming at the big crazy The big on be on your head heavy. No, I make up for because I fuck with this new nigga from the day. Have you heard of this nigga ice? Yes, I think I don't know. Oh god. I put this shit on everything on everything I do like the album. That's crazy. You got the bait turned up. So I fuck with eyes. Oh You're looking straight into the camera pointing his thing. I fuck what I With a Zito. Yeah, I'm the rapper the artist. The artist. Please is it. Is it I see easy? I think is I see I see. I don't know bad. I don't know when he came up with that name, but yeah, that's terrible. Hey, man timing Yeah, you couldn't it couldn't be worse. How am I boy Devin? We gonna change your name Let's just got me I sir. I see I see however you say it if you listen, we know you are Let's let's have a conversation. We gonna work come come pull up to the pot We gonna talk about where things need to go from here. Yes, sir, um tone running out of time, but we got a voicemail from the fans Hi, Devin and guest my name's Rachel and from Minneapolis and I grew up. It's also It's also like hey, Rachel the first off. Thank you for listening. Thank you for subscribing all that stuff When I heard your voice. I knew about the Minneapolis. Yeah, I heard when I heard that I said she probably from Minneapolis most likely Thank you again for being here and I grew up listening to a lot of motel music and the temptations was one of my favorite Fans to listen to with my dad growing up. No, where I thought this was going Let us see we continue and there's a song called beauty is only skin deep by the temptations and as a kid I always thought it had a great message, but then as I became an adult I've re-listened to the lyrics recently and I'm just gonna throw them in and I would love to hear how you guys would feel if a partner of yours wrote this song So it starts with so in love sad as could be because the pretty face got the best of me Suddenly you came into my life and gave Pure delight now. Good looks. I've learned to do this out So now I know it's love Wow, and then it goes on to say for the chorus Because I know that beauty is only skin deep. I know that beauty is only skin deep. Yes indeed And there's another lyric that says a pretty face you may not possess But what I like about you is you're 10 minutes a pretty face may be some guy's taste But I'll take love in in its place So yeah, we love your guys takes on the song on a huge fan of the pod It always makes me laugh and I love listening to it on my way into work The temptations was too short in the temptations, bro Basically, this is okay, man. Whoa Honestly, what it said when this song was called beauties only skin deep I thought because of the error that they were in I thought that this was one of them like fell in love with the woman who wasn't black Yeah, he was like oh like even though you're not black like I would prefer like you're still beautiful In spite of that and like and even though I'm not like whatever you normally date like We still we could get past this because the love gonna get us past whatever we need to get past I did not realize that it was a song straight up being like Hey, my mom. I'm not gonna hold you You're ugly. Shorty is Bogus. Yeah, I'm not gonna hurt you. I my homies. They they pull me inside and I'd be like bro You sure you like bro. This is what we this is what we do, but you got a good I can see inside it. I could see past yo face, which is really not ideal is not it's it feels like you Not ideal is really I feel like he's like, you know, I'm not gonna hold you I usually be with the bad ones. Yeah, I usually be with some of the baddest ones Rosa Parks was at my crib the other day Yeah, but but you'll do for you'll do you'll do because I can tell you got it You give back to the community in other ways you don't understand you a nurse you think she make plates She could play make plates and make plates for the community at church and you don't even ask nobody for no money You you you got the money up on your own and you got catfish and grits for everybody. I was initially offended by this Yeah, but we all been here, bro. Interesting. We all been here. Speak on that All right, I'm gonna be good real with you I can real with you. Yeah I go here a lot interesting. Uh That this is our life, bro And you know what I want you get you one of these the ones that's pretty inside. Yeah You they hold you they hold you down in a different type of way Bro, they they and this is they will never see the sun sure You'll never see the sun is wise that you like hey, all right, so I got a basement in the crib I'm gonna drop some food down there for you whenever whenever I can you go and stay down there and you know what and when I get back from work We gonna stay down here. We gonna watch that documentary. Oh, man. We gonna watch it We gonna watch love. I whatever you want to watch you never go see the sun. Never see the sun. It's so funny She's not she's not gonna she doesn't she doesn't necessarily meet people who work Close to your life. Oh, no, but that doesn't no, no, no, no, no, no You want to be real? I'm being honest Everyone has got one of these we've been here you yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna see you at Of course sure and honestly for what you're describing that feels early. That's bad 38 30 feels early in the summertime the sun's still up that we might we might go ahead to push that You're right, you're right. Hey 30. It's crazy, but it is you know I I when you when you have women in your life who are like your friends. You'll try to describe this to them We have we have a friend. Yes, we have a friend who Always gets mad because we tell her she's not a bad bitch Mm-hmm, but it's not because but it's like what what I always want my homegirls to understand is like being a bad bitch Is a specific type of woman, but it's not even necessarily the best type. Oh, it might it looks the she might look the coolest on Instagram But so much comes behind being involved with bad bitches like it's it's not fun. No It's not fun. It's cool because you walk around and you're like look like look at what I got going on But like a bad bitch is such a specific type of woman that like Just there's a lot there's a lot of instructions that come with it. There's a lot of now and it's like now there's like Now fucking now now Jalen Brown and her DMs and you got it now you contend with that He just he got a fucking $70 million contract. He's doing stuff this not that you can't even grasp on You don't get a moment's rest what a bad no, I was fighting off stress when I have my little bad bitches. Yeah, I was fighting off Y'all favorite rappers. Yeah, yeah, of course look what bad bitches have done to Drake. Yeah, well Yeah, yeah, they got him turned all the way around. He's in a bad place. They got him turned all the way Kendrick with his day one. He got some of these Kendrick with his day one. He got about six of these you know what I'm saying Never seen Kendrick with a bit. No, I mean, I think he's still with legally At least they're together on the album cover oh no, at least don't mr. Morale. They together with their family That is what you do you get one. Yeah, and you put on the album cover and then you get several at ease right who's really going who like Yeah, you know, you're right. There's something and this is a thing. Huh he a good man for making his song, bro Yeah, he made it because a lot of people trying to keep out a lot of people not going on when they haven't got a few back here That's that's why we built the curtain. That's why we built the curtains so that yeah, so that they couldn't be seen now to answer Shorty from Minneapolis. Yeah, if my girl told me this. Yeah, I'm calling the police, but it's different because I think the girl's like a Medium ugly guy. It's true. Well because I would also imagine when men I think like if you involved with a man who's like a true Like a real baddie that probably comes with a lot of shit You know what I'm saying like I do think I think it's different for a woman baddie than like a dude who's like really Beautiful, but like I would imagine being with a man and I've talked to so many of my homegirls We're like, I don't need a man that's like no the baddest bitch on the blue I got on I'm not looking for that because it's like then he got attention coming from Every different direction and not everybody's strong enough to hold that off. No, I know. I'm not Yeah, I think I think there's something to it man shot them in the temptation Settouts and say no y'all helping the community. This helped the community. This is honest. This is real This is real in a way that like very few people will be Carmin's literally being like stop it get the show's over Carmin literally came with she's like you need to stop. I don't like the way you're speaking And the show needs to it. Carmin literally came with this took a thing that said wrap it up This no more turn to Carmen. I'm sorry Did and I am these are important conversations? You weren't supposed to even hear some of the stuff that we say. Oh, man. I knew I was gonna get like this I know we've never been in a room too long, but I know this was gonna have we haven't been able to break it down But but here we are, but shout out shout out shout out to everybody who's been in that position It's that's some of the really shit that's ever been written. It's it's really that's that's that's the truth That's vulnerability right there on Tony. Oh, we gotta get out of here. We gotta go man But is there any is there anything you'd like to plug for the people before we get out of here. Nah, man We going back on tour. I'll post those on Instagram at Antonio Karen, but till then man follow follow me follow me go Go run all stuff up. Very funny. Thank you. 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