Barron Just F**KED HIS LIFE

Baron Trump is back in the news for all the worst reasons for Baron Trump, partly because he's getting made fun of for being a loner, which, you know, if you want to take some time to yourself go for it, but if it's because you are afraid of the consequences of your own actions, I will mock you relentlessly for it. And I think that's what we're going to be doing in this video today. We've got a lot to talk about with Baron Trump, and I kind of want to tie it into a little bit of the movement we've seen from Democrats, especially Democrats on the oversight committee, which will be one of the most important when it comes to investigating Baron's crimes. Of course, Congresswoman Yasemin, I'm sorry, put forth that motion for a subpoena, to subpoena Baron Trump to answer questions about his relationship with Andrew tape. We got a lot to talk about in this video. Things are getting worse for Baron Trump, and partly that is because of independent media. Mike, I want to throw it to you because you got a little bit of a monologue on Baron, and then I want to share some thoughts and some updates as well. Yeah, well, I want to first remind people to subscribe to both of our channels and help support this work, because if you have been wondering where the hell Mitch McConnell is, if you've been mad about Donald Trump's relationship with Natalie Harp, if you're mad about Baron Trump being manipulated by the tape brothers, all those stories started from middle-candet media like back and I, so make sure you support us because the corporate media wants to focus on the same two or three stories, usually involving attacking a sunpiker for stupid reasons. So we're going to focus on the stuff that we think actually matters that will eventually bubble up into the media landscape where they can't ignore it anymore. So here's the thing, there's a New York Post story, a very clear White House arranged story, trying to make Baron Trump look sympathetic about how worried he is that Iran is going to try to assassinate him like Charlie Kirk and how he lives in the basement of Bedminster with his mother, like just a bunch of weird, reclusive shit. And it comes at a time that I find to be incredibly interesting because the tape brothers are very close to Baron and very close to Don Jr. are in the middle of a massive fight right now, they're about to be extradited to the UK for these horrendous crimes, they've been accused of committing against women and against children. They need Donald Trump or Marco Rubio or somebody else to step in and prevent their extradition. This week they're in the middle of their bail hearing, they're trying to be released but the DOJ is arguing that they're flight risk, so it seems unlikely that they're going to get out. And for the story to drop at a time when the tape brothers are literally out there threatening Baron Trump and saying, "If you don't step in and save us, we're going to tell the truth. If you don't step in, we're going to make sure that Marco Rubio isn't the Republican nominee in 2028," and then on top of all of that, fascinating leak from the tape brothers have this thing called the War Room. And the War Room is a paid membership that you can pay to get access to these personal videos they shoot that basically teach young men how to be thugs and idiots and losers like the tape brothers. One of these classes that they have is about how to manipulate weird isolated rich people to get blackmail material on them so that you can then use it to manipulate them and get whatever the hell you want, which I think is fascinatingly tied into the fact that the tape brothers are not nearly as wealthy as they pretend that they are. They've claimed that they own private jets and begotts, as they say, yaws, as they say. And they don't own any of that shit and they had to admit that a court now to prove that they're not actually a flight risk. So the question has long been, how did these two criminals who are basically just human traffickers with large social media followers, how did they worm their way into the Trump White House? How did they get close to Baron Trump? How did they get close to Don Junior? It would seem likely to me that on some level they manipulated those two. They learned something about them and they were able to leverage either that information they have on somebody in the Trump family or somebody in the White House to be allowed back into the United States when they were awaiting trial in Romania for the horrendous crimes. But now they're in trouble because one, they've been exposed, they're not really wealthy. They've been exposed for not having all these assets that they want. And in the United States, we have a rock solid extravitiantry to the UK. So there's a lot of panic between the tape brothers and the Trump family and the mega movement right now. And I think this story to just tie it, put a bow on it and I'll hand it back to you, Jack. This story in the New York coast that's supposed to make Baron Trump seem sympathetic feels related to that to me because you have the young, corrupt billionaire in his own right now, allegedly, thanks to all the crypto scams that he's running, reclusive son of the president of the United States who is demented and physically unwell, being manipulated by two criminals that are trying to hang on for dear life to stay in the U.S. Feels pretty corrupt, feels pretty bad, and to your point about Yasmin and sorry, she's the only member of congress I've seen talking about this. She's the only one that's called for Baron Trump to testify. I would like to know, under oath, how did Baron Trump meet the Tates? What does he know? Do they have something on him? How the hell did they get here? That's what I want. It needs to happen also for the same reason that these lawsuits have been incredible. Think about how much of the scam economy and the scam of our right wing politics have been uncovered via lawsuits or congressional testimony like, yep, let's think about Fox and Dominion, Fox and all their anchors had to admit, yes. We were making up bullshit lies about the 2020 election the entire time and we knew we were doing it and it's because they got sued. These people, these tape brothers, they've tried to present themselves as these wealthy geniuses were businessmen. We're making all this money. We got these jets and these cars and it's a lie. It's bullshit. Everything is a scam. Everyone is is is confronting. Everyone is putting a lot of performance. It's like Elon Musk and all of his corporations, which are worth a lot less than they actually seem to be presenting themselves as like, at least in the stock market, like SpaceX is certainly not should not be valued at a trillion and a half dollars. It just doesn't make any sense. We're living in a scam economy. I want to say that. There's more I want to say on the scam economy, but I also think it is important to point out as it relates to what you brought up with this story in the New York Post, which I covered on my channel, Oh no, Baron, so sad, he's so alone, so afraid. I had the same thought about the about this as a PR campaign and it comes at the same time as last month that the Washington Post ran a story about how Donald Trump's little jet switcheroo right when Donald Trump was in Turkey, they were flying to the UK. He said, Okay, I don't feel comfortable because he runs threatening me. I'm going to get my little catering car with Natalie and Pete Heggseth and we're going to run to the other jet and if my team gets blown up, it's fine. That story was certainly put out as a PR move. I know it seems like, Oh, doesn't Trump look kind of stupid being in a catering car? But he's like, no, no, they were trying to gin up support for the war by saying Iran is threatening your president won't you stand up for him. But with Washington Post reported is that the intelligence that led Trump to do so and why I think that that was a lie in a show the whole time was not trustworthy that the CIA disputed the Israeli intelligence that said that Donald Trump's plan that Air Force one was being targeted by the Iranians. And so why will we really trust? I know that there's information, Oh, Iran's putting up these videos about Baron, but why would we really trust that there is a threat against Baron? Well, we don't even trust that there's a threat against Trump, right? These people are just trying to gin up support for the war and it's funny because part of the reason the Iranian regime has entrenched its power so much further in the wake of Donald Trump beginning this war is because Donald Trump and Pete Hague Seth killed the family members of the regime, right? Like they did the thing that helped entrench power in the regime that has not changed. It's only gotten younger, more extreme and worse. And so Donald Trump is trying to bring some of that sympathy to the United States and it's not working because nobody cares about him. So I think that's important to point out as it relates to Baron that he deserves no sympathy. And the sympathy that he's trying to, he's trying to get likely is coming from a story that is fake to begin with. Yeah. And can I add, why would Iran even want any member of the Trump family dead? Trump is the best thing that's ever happened to Iran, to your point. I mean, look, the government of Iran doesn't give a damn about its people. We know that. And I agree with the core argument that they're oppressive and a terrible regime. But when the people of Iran rose up in the streets at the beginning of the year and Donald Trump said, we're coming to help you. We're coming. Just hang on. They let those people get slaughtered in the streets. Truly one of the more disgusting things that he has done is send people just out to die 100%. I mean, like, if we were going to do this, there was maybe a narrow window to do it where there was some sort of moral justification for it. And they let that pass because Donald Trump also doesn't care about the people of Iran. He talks about destroying their civilian infrastructure all the time. Didn't they bomb like a wedding, just like a day or two ago? And they not to mention the girl school, which they still won't take responsibility for, which I find to be completely disgusting. It's like, this has been great. This has been great for a lot. It has been. Let's just be clear about that. Iran's government to be clear. They are ascended on the world stage. They know that they can basically choke hold the entire world by threatening to keep the straight-of-form moves closed. They dare Donald Trump to invade. That's what they're doing every day. They're basically daring him to put ground troops on the ground. Donald Trump doesn't have the guts to do that. I don't think he should do it either because he would just be broad. And now they're able to slap on additional fees for anything that comes through the straight-of-form move. So that's been great for them. And there is this cabal of Middle Eastern countries that want to change the power dynamic in the Middle East, like Qatar and Saudi Arabia and others that have been bribing their way through the Trump administration, thanks to Jared Kushner and Steve Whitkopf with all these insane land deals that they're doing. That's fallen apart now, too. Saudi Arabia is actually pulling back their investment because of what's happened in the region right now. They've not been able to break Iran. So Iran ends up in a position where it's a lot stronger. And then in addition to that, Israel is really lost, I think, a good deal of its standing at the world stage, too. It was, you know, a lot of us have been frustrated with, I know you're so happy, a lot of us have been frustrated with the United States. Well, it's safe for us. Well, let's say for the last power Israel has the safe for Americans are, let's be clear about that. Well, I think the other thing that's not being reported is like, there's at least not talked about enough, is that there's an election coming up in Israel at the beginning of October. The United States seems pretty sure to lose that election. Well, it's also be clear that if he does, the man replacing him is the former chief of staff to the IDF. This is a person who said that Netanyahu didn't go far enough in Gaza. Like this will not be better. It should be noted. It should, well, it should be noted that it is somewhat likely. that the next leader of Israel would be further to the right that Netanyahu, but I think it's equal parts likely that somebody will come in with a softer touch on what they're doing. Or it's not going to suddenly be like Israel is a progressive haven for like human rights. But again, it may get better like Netanyahu has got to go and I think everybody kind of understands that if everybody gets their shift together, a more moderate coalition could come together. And actually one of the things I was talking to, and you'll really rise in me, a friend of mine who works at APEC who's trying to like walk me through the politics of it so I could understand it, they feel like there's a decent chance that something more moderate comes into power. That doesn't mean it's going to get better. I'm not going to start defending Israel like I don't know. I don't know. It's moderating a Zionist project to steal Occupy like let's not throw around a word Zionist like that. Well, you know, I just, you know, it is inherently and a project of ethnic cleansing, but we can discuss that in a different video. I think I think what we need to get back to is barren. Why I wanted to talk about my good friend. What I wanted to discuss this with you, you've done a great job covering it, but it's also because I'm kind of seeing the politics around this move. Obviously, we had Merrick Garland in the first Biden administration and they're the first Biden administration, the Biden administration. Well, listen, the second Biden administration is coming when Hunter Biden is elected in Toyota. Speaking of someone who kind of fell apart with questions about Israel, my gosh, go watch that Zateo interview with Metti is still the best at it, but, but in the Biden administration, we had Merrick Garland refused to fucking do anything. I think the politics around, and I hate that it's the Trump family because that just like inherently sounds a little bit more sympathetic when it's like, oh, the family, oh, family. It's like, they're not a family. The Trump. No, you got to emphasize it like crime family, crime family, yeah, they exist as like a corporate entity. Like there is no love between Trump and Melania. It is a business relationship. I don't think that there's any love between Ivanka towards her father. Her father certainly has some feelings about her. That's a business relationship. Don Jr. Melania gets paid per appearance. Yes. She literally does. She gets paid per appearance. And so when they dragged her out last week because we were asking questions about Natalie Harp, it was because she got paid. Yes. So the Trump crime family. You're right. That's the only way we should we should talk about it. I think the politics around this are changing. And I've gone really hard on Melania whenever I'm talking to members of Congress and really push them on the barren thing or on Don Jr. or any of this stuff with Don Jr.'s a little bit easier. But Ivanka and Melania, people are like, oh, you know, they're just, they're ladies. It's like, well, okay, they're other criminals. Let's make sure that we're not trying to, you know, be a little, not as heavy-handed with them. But why I think the politics around this are changing. One, of course, you know, Baron Trump, Sapina, we're seeing that constant talk of Don Jr. and Eric Jared Kushner is the fact that Jeffries met with him is disgusting. But the response from Democrats has been great. Why I think the politics on this changing is because I saw a little headline this week in the Hill about James Comer extending, extending further carrying out his investigation into Ilhan Omar's entire family, entire family and for the purpose of what she's brown. That's it. So if you look at that and see how Republicans have wielded their power, there is no reason why this Trump family, this crime syndicate, should not have that same but, yes, worse treatment and further investigation because they are actually breaking the law. And I think we're starting to see that. I think the people who are a little queasy or little squishy around this issue are starting to realize that like, this is the only way that we can actually bring justice is to go after them. And that makes me feel better on the Baron stuff, too. Because I fear or have for a long time that they'll say, Oh, you know, Baron's just a kid. He's, no, he's a legal adult, right? So he's not a kid and he needs to be held accountable. He needs to be investigated. He was just as much a part of the crypto stuff. He was just as much a part of the tape stuff and they need to look into him. But with what Comer's doing right now and a conversation that we're seeing, I feel better about that. Yeah. I mean, a couple of things on all of that is, you know, what Baron Trump is an adult. He's a 20 year old man. I'll also point out that the entire Republican party, every time you bring up the Donald Trump as a failed laden duck president, starts attacking trans kids because they want to play, I don't know, high school women's volleyball. So I don't really feel particularly bad for a powerful billionaire Republican politician. That's what Baron Trump is. He's not a college kid that we're picking on. He's just as much of these scams as everybody else. Not to mention his best friend in the whole world is a human trafficker and entertain and trust and take. So I don't care. Anything with any time you mention Melania or Natalie Harp, that Natalie Harp stuff in particular was ridiculous. These Republicans suddenly became massive feminists when it became time to defend Natalie Harp. Oh, she's a cancer survivor. Oh, Mike, you've had female staffers. What if I called every female staffer that worked with you and be like, you'd have no problem with that. I was like, I mean, literally Carolyn Sunshine on live television asked me about that. I laughed at the taste because it's so absurd. But like, again, Natalie Harp is my age. She's 30. I think she's 36, 37 years old. She's a former congressional candidate, okay? She's not like just like a random person. Not to mention the fact that she's a government employee with close access to the dementia president in the United States. She shapes his worldview. She's fair game. All of these people are fair game. It's different than when Republicans were attacking Sasha and Melania Trump, who were actually fucking kids in the White House. That's the first symptom of Trump's arrangement syndrome right there, okay? So I absolutely need some news break because like, I didn't catch that one. So many different joke rabbit holes. I could go down right now. I'm just going to avoid it. Awful. But no, these guys are fair game. And I think for Barron in particular, look, and I think Yasmin and Sari's made the point really well. By the way, you guys, everybody should go check her out, follow her on social media. She is. She's the second youngest member of Congress right now, which is wild to me, that Maxwell Frost, three or four terms, and is still the youngest member of Congress, because we just can't seem to get anybody under 30 elected to the Congress. But it is, like, she wants Barron Trump to testify. She wants Barron to tell us how he met the tape brothers, whether or not he did anything to step in and help them out and get them back to the United States. I think that's a reasonable question. I think the Republican bedwetting about it is ridiculous. So I completely agree. And I don't know if-- Sorry. One more thing, Jack. Sorry. One more thing. It's terrible that they went after a friend of the show, Hunter Biden, who's just a young man struggling to come up through the world and figure out his life. Well, I've got some thoughts on Hunter. But that's for a different-- Well, wait until-- To get your Hunter Biden interview, Jack, because I don't know if I'm going to do a Hunter Biden interview. I don't know if I-- You should do it. Listen. He'll take it and he'll take all your shit. Give it to him. I said some stuff to him that, you know? Yeah. I don't care. If I want to spend my time shooting on Hunter Biden, I have some thoughts on him. And, you know, I just don't-- I don't know if I-- Yeah. I got it. I think it's on TV. But I cut you off. I'm sorry. No, you're-- I guess maybe I'll talk to him. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Friend of the show. Everyone's a friend of the show. Friend of the show. I want to go back to what you said, because we discussed this thoroughly. And it's maybe where we close because, you know, the barren thing. Oh, barren's a kid. I think we all understand, maybe, broadly, intersectionalism, right? That there are certain identities, whether it be their "be your race," or your sexual orientation, or your status in society. There's different identities that lead to discrimination or elevation within society. If we are talking about fascists, that is your only identity, right? You're a fascist. You're not a cancer survivor. You're not a young woman. Also, Natalie Hart. At what point do you stop being young? Like, I know everyone's young in their heart. But everyone's like, Natalie Hart is a young woman. I'm like, she's 36. Well, there's a Republican party. A 36-year-old woman is a young woman. But also two-old for them to date, probably. I'm not saying that you're not young. But like, would anyone call a 36-year-old guy a young man? I'm like, a young. I'm like, hey, yeah. We can all be young in Hart. But I'm like, they're trying to make her seem like, oh, she's just, yeah, she works in the White House. When you're a fascist, that's your only identity. And I have no sympathy for you. I don't want to work with you. I don't want to collaborate with you. I don't want to hear you out. It's the Kushner thing. What do we need to chat with Jared Kushner about? Affordability? He's not focused on affordability. He's focused on fascism. And the fascist are only focused on fascism. Baron Trump is a fascist collaborator with his father. He's only focused on fascism. It's the only way we should be one dimensional with these people. Beat him. Put him in jail. Shut him down. Remove him from our politics. Bankrupt him. Seize their assets. That's it. That is the only way that we should view these people. You cannot work with them. You cannot hear them out. You shouldn't want to hear them out. They have nothing to offer. And so Natalie Harp is not a woman. She's not a young lady. She's not a cancer survivor. She's a fascist. And that's it. And it's the only way that we should talk about her. And this is the way that Republicans have talked about Democrats for so long. The way they villainized us. And do you know what? I think we need a little grit in our oyster when it comes to wanting to beat back our opposition. There's such a desire, especially in the White House. I want to work across the aisle and go back to being friends. I don't want my politicians to be fucking friends. I want my politicians to deliver a better material conditions for working people. And maybe improve this earth, which would have you and just said we're too far gone on climate change. And we will have like, you're like, we're kind of fucked. Like there's no going back on a little bit of stuff. We've kind of gone too far. It's like, you know, I'm not worried about Republicans and Democrats getting a beer. After work, I don't care about that. Yeah, I want to be friends with my friends. But that's only going to happen if we defeat the fascists. And if we, you know, make sure that we're taking apart the narratives of Fox News that plague the brains of so many people and create isolation within families. That is the only way that we will fix this. That's the only way that we will fix this. things. I don't want my politicians to like each other. I want a society in which we can like each other again. And that is not going to happen if we're cheering on, you know, the uniparty. And I know that sounds like Marjorie Taylor Green or Tucker Carlson language, but they're not wrong in that aspect. And so, yeah, I'm tired of any other identity being used for these people besides fascists. And that's the way we should talk about Baron as well. That's my rant. That's my soapbox. No, that's good. I'm going to add one thing to it out and then we'll close this episode out. I was on news nation last night with Batia. And she asked me about this resolution. She's you know what? Currently pleasant person. So yeah, like I'll just give it I'll tell you this is exactly what I said to her when we were right before the show started. So by the end of every episode, when you're on screen, she'll be like, may God bless and protect you at the end, which is an extremely intense way of ending an interview. And my wife. I'm a practicing cat like so I would like to be protected. But so I can't least don't talk like that. So it's very jarring to me. And the first time she did it, I was a little off put by it. But now I've done the show with her like five or six times. And my wife asked me if I thought she was sincere. She's dead essence here about that. Like she believes that in her heart. She does. I'm telling you dead essence here about it. And the rest of her promise I can't speak to that. But like, I think she's dead. Okay, I'm telling you that whatever I spend an enormous amount of time with so these people find close stories. Oh, but Jose to your point though, buy his politics and I could not be more different. I'm just saying perfectly pleasant to you and buy the camera. Regardless, she asked me about this resolution that the Republicans passed condemning socialism, unquote, all of its forms. And she was like, Mike, there's a lot of angst in the Democratic Party right now because these two Democrats voted against the or for the rule and helped the Republicans move this thing forward. And she pulls up a poll and she's like 85% of Americans say that they want members of Congress to work together and be bipartisan and get the American people that shouldn't this be the kind of thing that we're celebrating. And I would buy you first of all, this is a non-binding resolution condemning socialism. It literally could not be more useless if it tried. This is not what the American people are asking for when they want people to work together. They want Republicans to Democrats to work together to do something that might actually improve their lives. And what I also note, if we're passing resolutions to condemn socialism in all of its forms, which is what you said, are we condemning Social Security? Are we condemning Medicare? Are we condemning Medicaid? Are we condemning fire departments? Are we condemning snap benefits for kids? Are we condemning public education? Those things are inherently socialists. Any time that you pull money together in a community and spend that money for the community's benefit, that is the at least modern day definition of socialism. Okay, now I don't think we use these words in a way that make any sense. Like I don't even think we talk about capitalism and the actual definition of capitalism anymore. It's just become the stand-in word for the grotesque corruption that exists in corporate America right now. So it's just, it's just so stupid and it's the kind of thing that the media wants to focus on. Like every time I get invited in these right-wing spaces, all they want to talk about is, is stupid socialism shit? Whatever dumbass thing Asan Piker said that week that's mostly cut out of context in a little bit wrong in my opinion. But still, it's never anything that might actually improve or impact your life. It's the dumbest thing shit and I'm so tired of it. And I think the America people are tired of it too. We just shouldn't engage it. This is why we shouldn't engage it. We should not engage it. No, I mean, we shouldn't engage it in good faith. We shouldn't say, oh, sure, it seems like Americans are really worried about socialism. It's why I just don't, I don't, nobody. Now I'm going to extend the episode too far. If you're worried about socialism in America, you're not voting democratic anyway. Period. Yeah, because you've been tricked. Nobody actually holds their own beliefs. So we should just stop asking people what they feel or want. There is no reason to listen to the average American. There's none. We just should not hear like they don't hold their own beliefs. They can't explain why they feel how they feel. They've just been instructed and propagandized to feel that way. We should not be listening to the average American. We should not be trying to appeal to them. We should be trying to trick them into having their basic needs met. This is my, my, my, my full. And we talked about this before political theory. And I don't agree with you. I do not explain, you do not explain medicine to a dog. You shove it down its throat. And we got to stop asking people who do not know why they believe, what they believe, what they want. You just shouldn't do that. Nobody asks you them when it comes to like modern medicine or the combustion engine. No one's like, hey, Mike, how do you feel about the combustion engine? Like, well, how would you like your engine to operate? No, they just make it and they put it in your fucking car because I specifically want a combustion engine jack. That's the only thing I know. But like, nobody, I'm a single issue voter. I have a, I have a big problem with the people and you know, fucking Sean Duffing his wife said this to like, oh, we distrust the government. I'm like, you don't distrust the government. You distrust the gut distrust when it's convenient. You trust the government when the people in the government tell you to trust the government. It was like that Charlie Kirk quote during the beginning of the Epstein file saga when he's like, I'm just going to trust my friends and the government on this one. I'm like, you are for the first time ever. No one believes anything and no one knows why they believe anything. About one percent of people on the planet have a value set that truly instructs what they do and why should just stop asking them. I just, I do not think that we need input from a bunch of dummies. I just don't. I did. I'm just like, I'm never going to move on that. It's fine. And I'm not going to try to move you on it because we've talked about it before. I have a more optimistic view of America and Americans than that. Why? Maybe a misplaced faith in my fellow man. I just think like all the best things that have happened in this country have been via like, you know, lying and corruption. Like, look, how did we abolish slavery? Like, that was like that's why I love the movie Lincoln so much because they don't dance around that. They're like, no, Lincoln bought it. Yeah. Exactly. And he was like, and they're like, okay, well, we're just going to fucking put the squeeze on people. And we're going to, it wasn't like, oh, let's appeal to the better natures. No, there are no better natures of most terrible people, especially politicians put the squeeze on them. FDR said to the American public, I am not going to bring us into world war two. So we could win his election handily. He didn't go, all right, it's time to win a war. It's time to beat back the fascists. And he did to make sure, as you said, that capitalism was protected in America, which, you know, it's not exactly what he was after. I think he was after abroad. You know, again, we can debate the capitalism versus socialism thing, but we have to lie to people. It's the only way this thing works. We just do. And that's okay. People want to be lied to. I know we want to be lied to. I find, I get what I understand what you're saying. And what I will say is there's a, and if people want to watch it, I was on, I've had a podcast with friend of the show Jennifer Welsh. And yesterday here in the great fabulous city of New York, that's number two in my heart, to the great city of Chicago. But we talked about this and she kept saying something that was roughly along the lines of like, why do we have to keep centering the needs of like wealthy white business owners, like Tim Cook, and what the government wants. And I was like, I agree with you on that. But I was trying to make a realistic argument that I think is somewhat similar to what you're saying is, you know, Donald Trump has really exposed this group of people like Tim Cook for what they care about, right? Like Tim Cook cares about maximizing shareholder value for Apple shareholders. It's the only thing that he cares about. You can either try to do what liberals usually try to do, which is convince Tim Cook to care about something other than shareholder value, which sometimes works, but usually does it or you could go, wow, Donald Trump took what they know, what they care about and twisted that so that he could get stuff. Like think about Jeff Bezos for a second. Bezos cares about his net worth. Bezos cares about his ability to build his stupid rockets. Bezos cares about, you know, shareholder value for Amazon. Donald Trump knows that, so we can manipulate the government contracts and the regulation over Amazon. What did he do with for it to sell a stupid documentary for his first dipshit wife that only shows up when he pays her, right? So now imagine a Democratic president that's going to do that, but instead of manipulating it to make sure that John Ossoff's wife can get a documentary on Amazon, it's to make sure that Amazon workers, when they're working and delivering our packages during the day, don't have to piss in bottle so that they can take an actual bathroom break. There's a way you can do that and be realistic. I don't think you have to lie to the American people the way that you're describing. I would also say I'm seeing a lot of people push back. If you're watching this, you are not the average American. You are a news consumer who understands what's going on in the work. So don't think of yourself that way. I'm saying people don't know what they believe and can be convinced. It's the thing that upsets me about focus groups. Like focus groups are not a representation of where just like people engaging in their day to day are like they are being pressed and asked questions that they would not have bumped into otherwise. What I'm saying is that you can convince intrigued people into doing the right thing. You shouldn't hope that they come to those conclusions organically because everything that is happening in our world is trying to propagandize to and convince people to do things that are not in their best interests. That's what's happening. That is our entire I don't think it has to be an economy. I just don't I just I don't think it has to be just I'll give you another example. Let's give me an example of something please can I give you an example of something I think DSA does really well like I'm critical of DSA is a movement particularly on social issues abolishing prisons bad abolishing police bad by means but one thing I really like that they do is I like the mutual aid work and like Kat Abogazala in Chicago north of where I live is doing a really good job with her Kupat organization and whether it's sincere or not I have no idea but one thing that I absolutely know that it does is when you signal with mutual aid and being involved the responsive to the community people will trust you even on stuff they might be a little uneasy about. They're more likely to vote like look at all the Republicans and AOC's district that's support her do you know why she's highly responsive to her immediate constituents who care about her she delivers strong constituent services that's I would argue where 80 90% of democratic politicians are fucking it up right now they'll trust you on the other stuff that's bigger legislative things if your roads are clean and they feel like when they pick up the phone you'll answer and help them and when when I first moved to Chicago I I lived a little bit further north of where I am and I was in West Rogers Park and my older man was a guy named Andre Vasquez who I'm close with and I like him a lot he is further to the left than me but is pretty pragmatic but the reason I I basically fell in love with him as well. as a politician was because if I needed something done, he picked up the phone and he handled it. When the pandemic hit, he and I were delivering masks together in the neighborhood. I want people like that. That's how you can signal that you actually give it to them. That's not tricking people. I just think it's a different style of leadership than we've seen. I get what you're saying, and I think the core of it is right, but I would unwind the cynicism of it a little bit because what I fear, and then I'll let you give the final word here. I fear that we become like the mirror image reverse of the Republican Party, where it's a party of grievance, and it's a party of anger, and it's a party of rage, where we glide to people, and we lose sight of what we actually believe in. And this is my fear with, and you'll maybe get mad at me here, it's why I would not support Gavin Newsom for President and the Prime Minister. Vote for him in a general, he's the nominee, so probably better than the Republican, but Newsom doesn't really believe in anything, guys, and he will say whatever he thinks needs to be said to win that primary, and as far as I'm concerned, he's our Trump, and it's why I'm deeply skeptical to him as a person, and I think he will turn the Democratic Party hollow in a way that a lot of people don't understand. Doesn't mean I don't like your social media game, doesn't mean I don't think he's a good podcaster, just don't think he's gonna be a good president, that's why I have an opposition to it. - Okay, Mike. - You can buy. - Thank you. - Play my ass. - I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna flame you. I just think we need to do our propaganda better, and I think that we need to root out these kind of more structural arguments that Republicans have made about the world, and that's gonna take some effort of contorting, and lying, and elevating things that are maybe less important than people realize. You know, it's like one of my favorite clips that was Kamala Harris on Stephen Colbert talking about, and you hear a lot of members of Congress say this, why she wears wired headphones instead of uses Bluetooth, 'cause she's like, well, I was worried that someone would spy on me. The average American sees that, and they're like, oh my God, the vice president admitted that they're spying on you. It's like, well, they're not spying on you. They would spy on her 'cause she's the vice president, and she was on the Senate intel committee and all of these things. She's got real information. Do I think that we should play up the fear of the surveillance state? Maybe more than it affects the average American to convince them that we need to take apart Google as a search engine monopoly, and stop the data farming that's happening via AI companies? Yes, but it's more difficult, I think, to make the case that Google is a search engine monopoly stealing your data, than it is to just say, they're spying on you, which is kind of broad and ominous, and is something that invokes anger. I think that's a better communication strategy to ultimately carry out what your legislative goal is, which is to stop data mining and to stop mass scale surveillance. I think it is easier to talk about how horrible the flat cameras are, and say, they're spying on you, than trying to make this compelling, like, antitrust, Google arguments that Lena Connell will carry on. Well, that I agree. So that's not saying it being cynical, is that you should take the broad and ominous. I think the most important feelings, and certainly the stickiest in our politics right now, are anger, I think we should play it up, but more importantly are annoyance. We should lean on people's annoyance and let their imaginations run wild, and then once they've done that, and once they are already predisposed to agree with us, then we can swoop in. But that's what the right has been doing for so long in a way that they have undermined government, and is why it's so important that Zora Mamdani says, we reject the words of Ronald Reagan, who said the scariest thing someone can say, is I'm from the government, and I'm here to help. The right has done so much work in building the anti-government kind of anti-establishment, and the way they like, propaganda that we need to correct it. That is what I'm talking about in the cynical approach that we need to take, and I will say one more time, you are not the average American. The average American is the person who has been preconditioned with those ideas, without engaging in news, without necessarily engaging in politics. And what I'm saying is that we need to do that pre-conditioning ourselves, and it does take some level of tricking, and lying, and exaggerating, and ominousing, and angering, and all of those things. I think that that's important. It can't just be campaign ads in the last two months, saying like, we're gonna do X, Y, and Z, 'cause people would be like, I don't even know if I like politics or government, or is this good, we need to do more of the pre-conditioning. That's the thing that I'm talking about. - I mean, again, I think the core of the arguments, right? I don't even agree that some of what you just said is lying and twisting, like, we have a genuine problem with data privacy in America when they can install these slot cameras everywhere. Your phone is listening to you right now, your smart TV is listening to you right now. That's not me playing up a fear. That's a legitimate fucking thing that's happening. I'm not saying that the founders of Google are sitting in a room like Batman and the Dark Knight, like watching you in this moment, but it's, those are real things. The problem is that we have milk toast politicians that won't talk about that stuff usually, because they're getting money from the very companies that are trying from you, and I think it's okay to just say that. - The issue at hand is just coming up with a more compelling way to talk about these things and stop lots of goddamn focus group to your point. It's not lies. - Is it it? - I just, I don't, Jack, I don't think you have, I don't, what are you lying about then? I haven't heard, I mean, - Oh, well, I mean, you walked through a bunch of stuff, and like that was a lie to me, as far as I know. - But something is like over, over indexed on what's important. Okay, there was a great moment about with this really been a long conversation between us. It's always good though. I just remember. - We're always like, let's do 15 minutes and then it's at least four to five. There was a great moment from the last crooked con. Another one is coming up. Shout out to the podcast boys. - Yeah. - Where. - I made it. I got it in bite this time. - Where? - Especially your real podcast. - It was, it was, it was Simone Sanders talking about the tariffs, right? You know, Trump said this about the tariffs, and he said that China was gonna pay. And he's like, and he lied, and he lied, and he lied. And Tim Miller just goes, "Maybe we should lie more." And I completely agree. Maybe we should just lie more and over promise. And just like, and I know you're like, "Oh, well, we've kind of over-promise before." But like, not in the ways that are fun. Like, we don't lie in a fun enough way, like in a compelling enough way. Like, I would love to see someone run in for president go, do you know what? Anytime that we catch someone spying on you, we're gonna, we're gonna cut you a $1,000 check. Like, we're gonna make Google cut you a $1,000 check. Spying in what way? - The problem is me. - The problem is me. Like, you just need to be, like, to, we don't win lying. All Trump has ever done is lie. And, and where is he right now? With all of the power and getting lost. - Sure. - When there is a single day. Can I say that that's predicated on the idea that Donald Trump ran good campaigns? That's the reason that he won and not that we got beat. And I've made this case a thousand times. There's times when you lose and there's times when you get beat. Mitt Romney, okay, got his ass beat in 2012. There was nothing that Mitt Romney could have done or said that would have won him that election. - 'Cause he was going up against Barack. - Exactly. But like, the Democratic Party in 2016 and in '24, and I would argue to certainly in 2020, 'cause it was more a closer that people remember, we fucked that shit up, okay? Like, we're the reason that Donald Trump is president of the United States. And some of it is that we over-promised and under-delivered. That doesn't mean I'm sitting here saying, I'm not sitting here saying like, let's lower the bar till like what we can do. And that's that Tim Walls quote that I like a lot, which is if the next Democratic president comes in and tinkers with the Affordable Care Act or fucked, it's basically more or less what he said. Like, we need a big, bold, ambitious agenda. But then we have to back that up with the willingness to get shit done. Because the knock on the Democratic Party is different than the knock on the Republican Party. If you ask people what they think about us, they're like, they're well-meaning and they've got some good ideas, but they can't get any of it done. And then they go, what do you think of the Republican Party? And they go, they're basically evil, but at least they can get shit done. And that's how they reward the Republican Party. So yes, all politicians lie. There's lots of, every politician says, we're gonna get Medicare for all is fucking lying. 'Cause there's no pathway to getting Medicare for all right now. So let's be clear of that. And that's, I mean, I don't support it, 'cause I do, is there's no path to get there. And without the complete total destabilization of the American economy, given the fact that 20% of the U.S. economy is based on healthcare workers. - Well, you were talking, you were talking to a duel about that. - I was, I have been talking, I have a duel spirit to come on the show. I'm not gonna like roast until I- - I'm duel, front of the show, come on the show. - Friend of Jack's show. So I'm still mad about the primary. Vote for Abdul, though, guys. We got to beat Mike Rogers to success. Anyway, I mean, the real issue at heart of it is the Democratic Party needs to give up for this like adherence to a rulebook that doesn't exist anymore and be willing to actually like throw caution to the wind and take some fucking risk. That does mean getting rid of the filibuster that does mean making DC and Puerto Rico a state that does mean reapportionment in the house and a whole bunch of other shit. Like, in the case I mean, I spoke to the Democratic Lieutenant Governor's Association three, four months ago and they asked me about getting rid of the filibuster and I was like, yeah, do it, fine. But like, that's one step in like a 5,000 step plan. If you get rid of the filibuster and all you do is raise the minimum wage, President Nick Flantes will fucking destroy this country. Like, and I said that to all of them, and they looked very shocked and upset, I meant that shit, though. Like, we've got to be prepared to remake the government. So it isn't so much about lying. It isn't so much about manipulating people. It's more about going, I'm gonna take the action to improve your life and I'm not gonna give a fuck what Fox News or the Washington Post op-ed section's gonna say. That is more important to me than anything else. Take the action and don't worry about it and come back to it. So I think that's, that to me is a better place to be in than being like, we've got to lie and manipulate everybody. 'Cause I don't think we have to do that. - This was a spirited discussion. - It was. - It was. - It's spirited. Jack pro lie, my not pro lie. - I am. And you can attribute that to me, I'll tell you. I mean, look, would you argue that I'm a different kind of Democrat than the ones you typically get from my wing of the party at the Halloween, I don't really think I have a wing of the party anymore, but you know what I mean? - Yeah, but I've also grown up in a different, I've just also grown up in a different way than you did. - Sure. Is your zoomer? - Yeah, 'cause I've just like everyone has just been so, so tricked and so scanned and so a lot like. - Do you think I've been tricked and scanned? - No, I just, yeah. - You've just said, yeah. - You grew up in a different environment about the world of the baseline ideas that were presented about the world than I did. - I think that our experience is much more similar than you think. I mean, millennials also came of age during an economic calamity. So, the problem is like, we have not recovered from the first economic collaborative of my lifetime. - I mean, like, do you think you had any like, And this is really true. where we have to end. But like, someone said Jack grew up with Trump. Yes, I grew up with Trump. - Sure. - That's the difference, is I grew up with Trump. Like, there's been more with Obama. - And I grew up with Obama. - But there's been more scamming. Like, my life has seen scamming become much more important and much more like bedrock to this economy. Then like Elon Musk is a fucking lie. Like, everything about him is a lie. And he's worth a trillion dollars. I'm not saying that's good. I'm just saying, like obviously it's bad. And I hate it, but it's like, lying is a way to like, to power, like, and if we talk, 'cause all the Democratic Party ever talks about is like, we need to win elect, is a bunch of people who don't want to do what it takes to win elections, moderates, saying that we need to win elections for power. - Oh, but the moderates are the ones who do win the elections though. - That's not true. - Flagging that. Well, can you give me an example of leftists that's won a major election? - Zora, I'm Donnie. - That's not a major election. You can't call the New York City mayor's race. - I don't want to say it. - I don't want to say it as a one yet. Now, I think Abdul's going to win, and I want him to win. But based on the polling, he's gonna perform four or five points last one. - It just seems like the people who are. - Again, I think it matters just because it seems like the people who are able to accumulate power are the people who abuse systems, right? And I think we should do a little systemic abusey. Like, fucking FDR expanded the Supreme Court. Like, he, even just. - I'm pro-expanding the Supreme Court. - I just think that like, we're all scared and timid and super-systeme, and that's gotta stop. Because if we don't do it, then the Elon Musk of the world will do it, and they'll get trillions, and then they will use that to abuse the system even more. - I agree. - So we gotta use the system to abuse those people. - I don't, and I've got people in the comments right now that are telling me I'm a central stem. I'm not a central stem. Like, I'm an economic populist. I'm with Jack, I'm basically fucking everything. I'm just a realist. I would argue that I live closer to the real world. And like, people get mad at me. Like, there was somebody in the comments that was like, "Donnie to Angie Nixon." Like, I hate to burst anybody's bubble. Angie Nixon ain't gonna win that race. She's not even gonna come close. And by the way, Vincent was gonna come close either. - Yeah, exactly right now. - It's Florida. But like, again, there's a category of people who just lie about shit, and like, there are people right now who are drifting off of convincing you that Angie Nixon's gonna win that Florida center race. You can like her all damn day, but Florida does not have a serious Democratic party. That's good for her to win election. - No, we're not talking about Florida. We're talking about-- - No, I know, but I'm just people in the comments who are telling me how much of a centrist Demi are when they don't know my actual politics. - It's okay. - FDR Democrat, and FDR was a fucking tyrant. So-- - And I think that-- - And I love him for it. - And I think that's what I'm asking for. Is I'm asking for-- - Yeah, I wanted FDR Democrat. - I wanted FDR Democrat. I want my FDR for the 2020s. Like, that's what I fucking want. So, and I'm fine with that. - So you said-- - I'm not jaded. - I'm not mad. (laughing) - First of all, I'm the optimist in the conversation. Like, is that lost on people? Like, Jack's the one that's being jaded right now. And Jack, by the way, has every reason to be jaded because of your entire political experience has been Donald Trump. Like, I at least have Obama for over a while. - Here's my-- - And this is truly where we get to close 'cause I do have to catch a flight. One of my favorite moments, and I don't want to say, like, I don't want to say that I don't respect or like want to take from. But we've just been living in such a time in which people just go, like, Democrats got a wind power and power, and we got to do this. I'm like, well, Trump seems to have done a really good job. And I know, I know, we are predisposition to be, are predisposed to be a racist country. Also, the electoral college rewards Republicans, the senate manual rewards Republicans, the dark money and our politics rewards Republicans, they have everything going for them. This is true. But also, one of my favorite moments of just like the complete misunderstanding about the way that he is lied correctly, and the way that he has framed himself for so long as a liar, the apprentice was a lie. Everything he wrote about himself was a lie. The art of the deal was a lie. All these things, Trump is just a basket of lies, but Americans are quite gullible. We seem to know this, is that there was this guy on CNN. It was right before the 2024 election. And it's when I started to realize, I think we may lose this one. Talking about how in the '90s, him and Trump did a real estate deal. Trump was gonna make a million bucks off of it. That guy was gonna make 15 million bucks off of it. And Trump asked him, "Hey, can it be reported that I made the 15 million and you made the one million?" And the guy was like, "Oh, this idiot, what a sucker, what a loser." And it's like, "Yes, it's sad that Donald Trump is so obsessed with like the media and like how he looks and not what the actual truth is." But that guy's like, "What an idiot he is." I'm like, you're on CNN talking about him and he's the president. So who is right in what actually gives you success? Is it like lying and projecting power and strength or is it like allowing someone else to take that and manipulate the media? Manipulating the media and manipulating the public is the way to power. Once you have power, it gets more power and you can do what you want. That is always stuck with me because I'm like, you're on CNN. Did you not realize that it's better to play people than it is to like just allow things to play out? And people can disagree with me. It is just how I came up. Watching this guy constantly lie as we told people like, "Don't believe his lies, they were always going to because that is how the country is predisposed." We have celebrated and misunderstood wealth and business and capital for so long that to lean into that was obviously such a pathway to power and I just am driven crazy by the misunderstanding of them. And yeah, it's just how I grew up. It is unfortunate, but it's like it is the politics that I was raised on and I feel like I've been driven crazy watching people and I call them stupid, but I acknowledge when the stupid things he does work and I just feel like we haven't done that. And so that's my little. - Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll try and do the part of the dark side. I wanna democratic, I wanna democratic authoritarian. - Jack, Jack right now is Anakin Skywalker being like, you know, my new empire, your new empire, anyway, a bit for Jack probably hasn't seen Star Wars. Jack, are you familiar with Star Wars? - Yeah, quite. - A lot of people like it. - Mark Hamill, for any of the show. - Mark Hamill, I can love Mark Hamill just a delightful human being. - I think that was my, that was my first celebrity crush. - Really? Shout out to my fellow white dude for Harris, Mark Hamill. Let's name his people again. But okay, I don't wanna make his, I think maybe one of the demons. - I'm gonna shut up, I'm not gonna say anything more. - Okay, that's fine, then I'm gonna say something salacious that you can't respond to. I think one of the differences between Jack and I in this POV argument that we're having, which is really good and really healthy by the way. And I'm glad that we're having it. It is, I don't if you Trump is all that special. I think Trump is a symptom of broader problems that have existed in America for a long time and that there's really very little difference between Donald Trump's administration and George W. Bush's administration, except Trump is so brazen about it, that it is harder for people to look away from what's happening than it was during the Bush administration. So, and maybe that's just a little bit of age. I've got 10 plus years on Jack. I just, Bush's administration was just as bad as Trump's just a lot harder to ignore it because of social media and it was truly the last thought. - Oh, I got him. I learned him back in. I'm gonna make him late for a flight. I got to where to be. I was supposed to be on my flight. He said, "You make me cancel out me. I got all fucking day, yeah." - I am going to walk from my flight. I'm not saying his administration is special. I think Donald Trump particularly has played on all the worst parts of American society more than any other political figure we have ever seen. He is an abusive to his advantage. - Absolutely. - I think that, so I've said this for a while. I think that wealth and business are the two most well-known but least understood things in our society. No one knows what business is and no one knows how wealth works and Donald Trump has used that to his advantage. The Republican Party has largely used the misconceptions about wealth to its advantage. It's like, if people knew how billionaires made their money after they had lots of money, they'd be like, "Oh my God, we gotta set like any person who has ever worked for every dollar that they have does not understand that if in a real way cannot actually understand in a real way that if you have a billion dollars every year, it will just create another hundred million dollars. If you have earned every dollar you've ever made, you truly cannot conceptualize that wealth just creates more wealth and that there are so many loopholes to abuse that to make more wealth. It's just not something that someone can conceptualize. And Trump has just like abused all of our thoughts, I'm not R, but like the broader American public, the apprentice was supposed to be like, "Oh, I'm this great business man." And people bought into it because they don't understand what business is. Like again, he is lied. But the majority of people did it by doing that. A lot of people voted for him, but I know. I know, but it's why he did WWE so much and why he loved that because there were people-- Who thought WWE was real and thought Mr. Trump was coming out and being strong? Like that's a perfect encapsulation. No, people know that WWE's not-- No, they don't. You talk about it. They do. No, no, no. Everybody knows that that's paid. American society has been predisposed. And again, it's why he's a symptom of the problem to allow someone like him to come in and to trick a certain subset of the masses that would be powerful enough to build the fascist political movement and then have the wealth come in because as we know, fascism is a collaboration between authoritarian government and business. And that's what it was set up to do. I just want to say that I have to be broken. I just want to say that I have to be the biggest WWE fan in this entire, I don't know, including in chat. If there's somebody in this chat that's been to more WWE live shows than me, I would be shocked. People know that it's fake, guys, okay? Some people do. There are some people who don't, and those people are sad. Well, apparently 35% of the country is that's maga. Someone said Jack, not the majority, though, just the chuckle fox. (laughs) - The chuckle fox? I'm gonna steal that word. - That would be, there's a chuckle fox, I think, is it all the rock joke from the '90s, I think, maybe. - Someone said it. - There's a great, I'm sorry. - I'm gonna end it here. There's a great bit, the WWE hired to one of Conan's writers and Conan used to play this character. He would walk around making fun of his writers and tell them that they should shut up and he'd be a mean. And he would say something like, "Why don't you go drink a tub glass of shut up juice?" And one of the writers got a job at WWE and he wrote that line for the rock and it's like an iconic rock line. And Conan thinks it's hilarious that it originated from that. So. All right, everybody. This is my truly my final word. Yeah. I don't not sure I believe you, but God. I know. I like the plane, Cinnamon D's like the plane, the plane, I'm gonna be late. I still got a record too. I mean, you said you were going to Orlando though, so is there really anything in Orlando where to? Yeah, I got a notification about my flight. We are looking to go out and work. We're going to Disney World, everybody. No, not even shut up, Mike. You know, Jack only flies private. Sure. He's got a helicopter waiting for him out front. You think you don't know about Jack? He said he's a billionaire. He knows all about how to make more wealth and money. Private delta. I, I truly, I truly hate most of the people in this country. I want them to be taken care of though. I just do. I'm just going to say, when you inevitably run for Congress, that line's not going to look for me. I don't know the fuck. And I love that people say that because I've said this so many times. I've been like, everyone in America is stupid and they're like, oh, you can't say that. I'm like, who's the president? Like he says awful things about all. If you say to a group of people, you're all stupid. And we've said this before, everyone will look around and go, he's talking about these other guys. I want people to be taken care of. I just hate that they have stood in the way of that, that they have stood in the way of their fellow man, that they have stood in the way of themselves. And it drives me crazy. And I want people to be taken care of, but they're stopping themselves from allowing that to happen because they've been so goddamn propagandized to. And it just drives me crazy. America, I want to help you, but you're hurting me and you're hurting Mike and you've got to stop. Please. You're not hurting me. So I, my fellow American, I love you. So I don't, right? I don't. I just agree with you. I want to help you. I'm like your mom. We're going to figure it out. I think you've been manipulated at times. I think you've been let down by the Democratic Party many, many times. But anyway, that's a good place to end it, everybody. Thank you so much. Jack, ensure you're flight to Orlando. You have much to think about. 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