Bam Adebayo punched Tyler Herro in the face, Mitchell Robinson trolls the Knicks and the Celtics, and will LeBron actually go to the Sixers? An NBA extravaganza with Fred Katz

Testing testing. Hello, Fred. Hello. Hello. Oh, so soft. Oh, sounded like you're eating a buck. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a gross one. Stop, stop it. Stop it. Okay, let's see how that sounded. All right. Hi, Charlotte. Good day, Madeline. We're back with another episode of This Bored's Gossip Show presented by eBay Live. That was a nice one. Oh, thank you so much. That was a nice one. How are you doing? I'm doing fabulous. How are you? Oh, I'm good. You know, the pneumonia seems to be on its way out. I'm not feeling so much like a sickly Victorian boy anymore, which is nice. That's great. That's great news. And thank you. Things are looking up. Things are looking up and speaking of things looking up, we have a fabulous interview today with a repeat guest on the sports gossip show, Mr. Fred Katz. Fred is like, I don't eat Freddy. Fred isn't even like a guest anymore. Fred is a, Fred's a part of the family. He's a character. He's a character on this. He is a character in the same way. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are characters on the sports gossip show. There's just Fred, Fred's the third character. Fred, there he is. I think you're really going to love this conversation. Talked to an astonishing amount about fonts for a sports podcast. A lot of good stuff about Mitchell Robinson, who went from the nicks to the Celtics and Fred has a particularly hilarious relationship with talked about LeBron, which we sang the show. But if he's gone somewhere new, by the time this comes out, because we had to record it on Wednesday, sorry. The information is still interesting. It's still interesting. We promise. And we also talked about the fight between Bam out of bio and Tyler Hero. That was in Las Vegas earlier this week. So we get into all of that and more with Fred. Ta-da. Ta-da. So everyone, enjoy our conversation. All right, we are thrilled to be joined by local man, Fred Katz. Fred, thank you for coming on the show. Technically, everybody is local. That's true. To where they are. Depending on your perspective, right. And for to yourself, you're always local. Yeah, that's true. For the record for our listeners and shareholders out there, Fred wanted to be introduced as a local man. So I just would like to make that clear. Well, this was approved. I just want to say that you make it seem like I requested to be introduced as local man so that I could then reply. Technically, everybody is a local man. But I just want to be clear that that was not that was not a plant that line. Charlotte suggested local man as the countdown was going down to come on. And I was like, no, go local man. And then we started. So I just want to be clear that I'm only corny on the spot, but not premeditated corny. Okay, that's fine. Fred is in senior MBA writer and reporter for the athletic. He is one of our great pals. We are so thrilled to have you back, Fred. How's your summer going? What's up? We haven't talked to you since the next one, the finals. Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been good. I've been, I've been constantly local, which is been, which has been nice, even when I'm traveling, I'm still local. Yeah. Okay. And that's been, it's been really good. I'm always here and you're always there, at least to me. Well, wherever you go, there you are. Wow. Wow. You're like, you're like a early 2000s classic rock song. It's, or it's like a, a quote card on Pinterest and papyrus font that Tom Brady then puts on his Instagram store 100% with like a penguin and the penguin is floating on a, a sheep in the Arctic alone or something. You're like, what? This doesn't make sense. Is it wasn't there a documentary on the guy on the person who created the papyrus font? There was. I think there was something because didn't they just use the papyrus font as the avatar titles and the guy tracks? I think they did. And the guy who created the papyrus font was like, didn't see this coming. I hope he got a cut of some revenue somewhere, but I fear he probably didn't. Yeah. I don't really know what I'm talking about. Anyway, Fred, we also have in talk to you since it came out that you were writing a book that we about the next that we just have to assume is already a New York Times bestseller because you. I thought you were going to say is already written in papyrus font. We have talked to you. We have talked to you because we talked about you should write it in Comic Sans. Yes. That's the other part, the other famous font. We really need to expand our palettes, but we need to find a new topic. If all we talk about is font, my goodness. Well, Fred, you've come to the right place. They'll all we talk about is infrastructure and fonts really are the infrastructure of books. That's a good point. You need the punctuation. I would argue punctuation is the infrastructure. Some books have weird punctuation punctuation. Right. Which just means a weird infrastructure. Get out some some some small towns are really far from the highway. No, no, no, no. This is what's going on. Font is the is the infrastructure the way that steel is the infrastructure for buildings. Punctuation is like plumbing. Okay, you know, yes, yes, or electricity. So we're getting subcategories of infrastructure right now. Yes. Okay. I would also real quick for our listeners out there. None of us are on drugs right now. No, I've just had one coffee. Yeah, well, true. I don't know that. You don't know that. I'm high on Helvetica is what I stop it. Oh, man. This should have been the documentary, by the way. It should have been what this conversation should have been the font documentary. Well, there was there to that papyrus documentary reminds me Gary Goldman has a has a great bit about about a state abbreviation documentary. And he has another one about a Helvetica documentary. Really? And yes. And I'm now thinking the fact that there's a papyrus documentary. We're not sure there is one now. Maybe so. It's thinking about that a good documentary. No, I could I could be thinking about just like an Instagram post I saw once about the guy who created the papyrus one. You know what I mean? Well, that's the basis of of every podcast that none of us know what we're talking about. That is the infrastructure. That's true. But that's where every podcast we bring in the big shots. Mr. Fred Katz, local man to talk NBA gossip. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like Eisenhower and just all about adding infrastructure to places that didn't previously have it. I went to I went to Germany. I saw the highway system and I was like, we're adding it. Stop it. To the US. Wow. You know, can I see you guys a question about the highways? Please. Is it true that every five miles, there is like a mile of straight in case you had to emergency land a plane? What? Yeah. Do you think I'm actually Eisenhower? Well, I mean, why not? I don't know. That's just something that I've been thinking. It's like the papyrus documentary. I'm pretty sure. Did you also see that in the same Instagram post about the papyrus font? No, no. This is like from a textbook, you know, 30 years ago or so. You know, we'll look at we'll look all of this up later. Yeah, yeah. It's a later. I do it now. Why do it now? After our show. Look at it in all of it. I think this is the after show. Yes. All right, Fred. Let's talk about the NBA. We haven't talked to you since Mitchell Robinson, the center of the NYX formerly known as. He was traded to the Celtics, the team that I root for. So Madeline and I Madeline let Mitch go and I and I welcomed him into the fold. There's a whole bunch of stuff that has gone on with Mitch. Since this happened, we can walk through it. But we want to start with you sort of. When did you hear about this? Have you talked to Mitch? What do you know that we don't know? Unless you're saving it for your book. Have not have not talked to Mitch since he signed with the Celtics. Definitely very, very, very expected that he would be leaving the NYX. James Olin went on the radio and said shortly after they won the title that he would not be going over the second apron, which is a payroll threshold that's way above the luxury tax and resigning Mitch absolutely unequivocally would have sent them over like well over the second apron and into a territory that don't said he was not going to go to. So Mitch leaving was inevitable. I don't think the Celtics were inevitable, but that it was the Celtics, I think made a lot of sense. Boston needed an extra center. They needed some individual rebounding help. Even though statistically they were a very good rebounding team last year. They do a lot of really interesting, innovative stuff, crashing the glass, especially on the offensive end that Joe Mizzoula just like obsesses over and they kind of rebound well mostly because of scheme, but they don't have these like traditional amazing download rebounders other than the Mias Cata and Mitchell Robinson is probably he's the best or the second best rebounder in the NBA. It's him and Stephen Adams is the two best rebounders. He's going to help a lot. Joe Mizzoula has loved Mr Robinson for a very long time. He loves Mitchell Robinson and so that didn't surprise me at all. Either the Celtics wanted to go get a center to replace Vouchovich and and and Mitch makes sense for them both financially and from a fits standpoint. So it wasn't shocking that he went to Boston. I know a lot of Nick's fans are probably very upset that it was Boston of all teams because of the New York Boston sports rivalry, but that's that's that's how it goes sometimes. Do you think based on Joe coach Joe over there like and Mitch that the vibes will already be good for the Celtics having him on the team if that is all for him? I think Mitchell Robinson marches to the beat of his own drum no matter where he is. He is the comic sands of he is just like I think he might be papyrus Fred. I feel that comic sands is too too common. Papyrus is a little freaky. True. He's got those big trucks. How do I feel? It's freaky. That's true. It's a good point. Maybe he's papyrus where it's like you know what this isn't what I'm used to, but I'll welcome it. But, but there's going to be a documentary about it someday. Right. There's more likely to be a documentary about Mitchell Robinson than papyrus of him being honest. Well, unless there's a switch, we'll never know. Fred, we there's been some sports gossip surrounding Mitch because so when we saw you at the finals before game one, which feels honestly like a year ago, everybody was talking about Mitch's pinky because he broke his hand and he put a thing on Facebook saying the reason he broke his hand was because his brother had been in a car accident. He was far away from him. He was, he said he felt helpless and quote, in a moment of frustration, I banged my hand on my truck. And then in one of the greatest sentences ever put on Facebook, he said, as many of you know, I have a deep affection for my trucks, but my siblings and daughter are my top priority, which there was a, this was a very papyrus statement. I think you could say in terms that it's not what we're used to, but it was also endearing. He also said that, you know, he, he didn't see his daughter as much as he wanted the season because he needed to focus so she could have a better future than he did. It was a very vulnerable post. Do you know what the reaction was sort of among in both the nicks and the Celtics to this post? I know this was something that people were wondering about, you know, he said it's a knuckle, not a pinky, it did, it is an injury got from, it seems punching something. But what's been, have there been any reverberations from this? >> I mean, I think the nicks were, oh, have been aware of what it was. I think it's more people on the outside who didn't know until he put out his, his statement about it. I did particularly enjoy the trucks line because one way, the only way to make someone think that you might love trucks more than you love your own family is to say everyone knows I love my trucks, but I love my family too. >> Of course. >> Because if you just said I love my family, literally no one except for maybe me would read that and then say, you don't love your trucks. Is this, there's this, there's this like tweet that went viral years ago into paraphrase, it's like people on Twitter are crazy because it's the only place where you could say I love pancakes and they would reply, why do you hate waffles? >> Right. Yes. >> Yes. >> And this would be an even wilder version of that. Like I love my family, why do you hate trucks, you know, that would be, that would be insanity. >> Unless you say everyone knows I love my trucks, but also my family is pretty cool. >> Yeah. >> Well, he was apologizing because he hit one of his trucks, it seems like that was for the trucks. >> Totally. >> That line was for them. >> Right, he didn't want the other trucks to get the wrong idea. >> Exactly. >> He had to clarify, he had to clarify. >> The other thing too is I've heard Mitch talk about his trucks many a time and, you know, guy loves his trucks. >> He loves them. >> They're right up there. They are right up there. I've heard him list his trucks above things on his, on his list of loves that they should not be above. So guy who loves his trucks gets his trucks done out as his personal mechanic. A guy named Chris, Chris is his personal mechanic. >> He just has a guy. >> He has a guy. His name is Chris. >> He got, Mitch has a, has a young daughter who's very cute and she, I mean, three years old maybe. I think she's probably three now. You know how you get those like kiddie cars that are three-year-old can like drive around in. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's like little tiny drive around the backyard. Mitch got a truck version of like the mini car for his three-year-old and then took it to Chris to get like pimped out. And it like now is like, is like full on like it looks like it was in pimp my ride. And it's his, and it's his three-year-olds, is that a dated reference? >> No. >> It's, it's, it's his three-year-olds little like toy car and it's ridiculous. And it looks like one of his monster trucks. >> Honestly, and that's, I would be bummed out if he didn't do that. To his daughter's little mini car. >> Totally. It's, it's, it's hilarious and adorable at the same time. >> That's a good father. That's a good hunter. >> A hundred percent. But you know what the best part of it is? It still leaves you wondering if he loves his family or his truck's more. >> True. >> Because like, did he, did he do it to be a good father or did he do it because he was like, I can't stay in the look of that truck that hasn't been customized? >> Right. I guess we'll never know. >> We'll never know. >> It's like this little, it's like this little pink truck that has been now fully customized and looks like it should be at some famous truck show. >> Wow. >> I just feel, I feel partly though, like as someone who anthropomorphizes things too much, like sometimes if I don't wear a shirt for a long time, I feel like I have to apologize to the shirt, you know, I'm like, yeah, so I feel like I get kind of where Mitch is coming from. He had to publicly say, look, I punched my truck. It does not mean I don't love my trucks, but my family made me so upset that something was wrong with it that I punched the truck, but it's not because I don't love the truck. Like, I do, you know, from one papyrus mind to another, I do understand where he was going at that. So do you, I don't know, so the next, we're just like, yeah, we knew this is what happened. >> Yeah, I mean, the next, it was a financial decision, it was a money decision. You can disagree with the financial decision and believe that they should have gone over the second apron. But that's really what it was. It was about not any of that payroll threshold and Mitch was going to leave and Boston ended up being the team that was the best, the best offer for him there were not a ton of options and free agency for anybody this year. And Mitch got about the going rate for what a player of his quality is going to get. He got $47 million over three years. He's a really good player. He was very well liked in the locker room because of all the stuff that we're talking about. Like, Mitch was, Mitch was like to the side of everything. He was never in the center of anything in the next locker room. Like, there was never, oh, there was a huge, just like season turning locker room meeting and Mitch said the thing that riled everyone up and got them back on track. But there was also, oh, there's it never, there was never like, oh, there's, there's infighting and Mitch is a part of it. Right. It was never that. It was always like, Mitch was just to the side of everything. Everyone found him like entertaining. Everyone enjoyed him. Everyone thought of him is like a good teammate who was just like when Mitch shows up, everything's a little bit, a little bit better and that was they, they would, they, he'd make everybody laugh and that was basically his vibe. But he would also do absolutely, positively, ridiculous things that if anybody else did them, they'd be like, what's happening here? But because Mitch did them, it would be like a classic Mitch, like Mitch would, would, you know, just like complain about teammates on Snapchat and the teammates who he complained about would be like, do you see Mitch's Snapchat? Just be cracking up. Like I remember, there was one time where he didn't close a game and Isaiah Hortonstein closed the game over him. And he and Isaiah were very good friends, even though they were both played the same position and one of them started one of them. of him came off the bench and they were very similar calibrate players. And so sometimes you get very competitive in those scenarios. And he and Isaiah ended up being very good friends. And it was a time where Isaiah closed the game over Mitch and Mitch went on Snapchat and complained about how he should have been closing the game. And the players saw that he posted on Snapchat while he was on the team plan. It's also like only uses weird forms of social media. It would be like, I'm not posting on Twitter anymore. I'm done. It's bad for my mental health. And then he'll immediately go post on Facebook. And I like, which is very piracy. Again, it's he is not following the status quo. I feel like what you're saying is that based on this information, he is a really good teammate and also would be unbelievable in a group project. He wouldn't be leading the group project, but he would finish his slides, but throwing something weird on one of them. I put a lightning bolt in there for no reason, like a gift on a slide that's about something serious. I don't even know if he'd finished the slides. I think I think he'd just be like, you know, we kind of had to do some of Mitch's work for him because he didn't really feel like doing the slides. Right. But he he made me laugh by in the way that he told me he wasn't really going to do the slides. So I don't really mind, but he did, but he did do the slides. He had, he had he did work. He did work that the Knicks needed. I think, I think he just finished true. He does. I guess that's true. He does have a very workman like job. He does the great. You know what I take it back. I take it back. Okay. All right. You're right. But they were like on the team plane and Mitch complains on Snapchat while they're on the team plane. No. I think it was a manual quickly who saw it, like immediately, like a minute after he posted it and just turns around and screams on the plane. Mitch, what are you doing? And it shows the whole plane. And everyone is passing around a manual quickly. He's phone being like, bitch, I'm making you fight of Mitch for doing it, including Isaiah Hortonstein. And I asked Isaiah. I was like, I don't like, like he's complaining about you. Why are you not like, why are you just like totally cool with it? And he goes, Oh, because he mentioned it's hilarious. Well, he has a good aura around him. I want to bring up the Facebook of it all because you mentioned he doesn't post on normal social media platforms. He posted the statement on Facebook. Where you, it seems like you were not surprised that he used Facebook as the media as the platform to disseminate his information. But then my second question is, were you expecting him to release a statement at some point? Or did you feel like it? Were you surprised that he actually even put anything out? Let alone a beat on Facebook. I didn't, I didn't really know whether he's just going to put it out either way to be honest. I hadn't, I, you know, with Mitch, I just go with the flow. I don't have my expectations. I don't often know what he's going to say to me. 90% of the best quotes that he has given me in my life. I have never and will never put out publicly. Wow. Yes. So let me ask you question then. Do you know how Mitch felt about being traded? Because he said, you know, Josh Hart posted something saying, you know, admin delete this when there was a picture of Mitch in a Celtic jersey. And Mitch replied f off at Jay Hart. Y'all, you didn't want me. Is that Mitch is pride? Do you know if he is, he's also sort of gotten into fights with Celtics fans already, which is, I think, really great. I also think Celtics fans, I mean, myself included are going to love him. He is very much, he is what Boston drivers at rush hour are, which is inventive in their comebacks and, you know, like on another level. Do you know how he actually felt? And then secondly, are you going to miss him? Well, let's, let's investigate this little bit. All right. Slips. Yeah. Let's play sports gossip show investigation. Don't go. Okay. Mitchell Robinson was was drawing. We can say, drawing with Josh Hart. Right? Yeah. Yes. I guess was a drawing because he was typing it. It's not. I don't ever say that again. Never. Never put that away. Oh, God. Oh, all right. Sorry. You're kind of, you're kind of the mid Robinson of the sports gossip show. We never know what you're going to say. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. That is your title. I'll take it. You know, I'll wear that with pride. That's honor. And I'll tell you this. I love my family more than I love my car. And I don't care. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just going to leave it that if you just bought one of Mitchell Robinson's trucks that he didn't want to ship to Boston, I'd be like, yeah, that tracks. I just like, I can see it. Right. No, I do well with, with, with monster trucks. Yeah. Of course. I do really well. It fits my personality. You know, what? Now I want to know what you drive. But I don't want to ask you on a podcast. It feels very invasive. I drive a Mazda. Crazy stuff. Yeah. I was going to say, accurate, which kind of spiritually feels similar to a Mazda. Yeah. Japanese car. True. Close enough. Sure. Yeah. Safe. The times new Roman of cars. Yes. No, I think Ariel. I think Ariel. What? Ariel. AR IAL. How do you, how do you say that? I've never heard of that. You know, it's like a brand. No, it's, it's the standard, um, Ariel standard on Google docs. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I thought you were talking about that was a type of car. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're back to funds. If anything, that would be a type of plane. Yeah, right. Oh, no, I feel like it's a Roman car would be like a Toyota or Honda Civic or some camera. Yeah, it's a camera. Yeah, it's a camera. Yeah, it's a camera. It's, it's the most rented car. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, so what's your investigation for? Oh, all right. Mitchell Robinson was type warring with just heart, right? That's on one side. And then he was going at it on the internet with Celtics fans. That was the other side, right? So what's more likely here? Mitchell Robinson has beef with both the team that he played for for eight years and with a bunch of teammates. So I just told him how much told you how much liked liked him. Mitchell Robinson has beef with the team that he just chose to sign with two minutes ago or that Mitchell Robinson loves to troll people on the internet. What's the most likely scenario here or the guy who constantly trolls people on the internet is just enjoying trolling people on the internet. I learned a very, very, very, very long time ago that if Mitch posted on the internet then don't take it seriously. Like it's he just wants to say the most ridiculous thing. I'll give you guys a little sneak peek into the book. Oh, exclusive. Can you remind people what it's called again? It's a great title. It's called Under the Bright Lights, The Revival of the New York Knicks. It is out February 16th and it is available for pre-order now wherever you order your books. If you want to get them at Amazon or Walmart or Barnes and Noble or Target or wherever else, my husband meant I meant to text you that he wanted me to tell you who already pre-ordered it. Wow. I'm so honored. I also apologize to him, but I'm so honored. No, it's going to be great. It's the fonts going to be amazing. So so Mitch, I'm talking to him and he he just wants to troll people on the internet all the time. One time he finished a media availability and then as he was leaving, he turned to the beat reporters and said, all right, I'm going to go troll some people on the internet. And then and then just made a tweet or a Facebook status or something about how he was upset about his minutes. But he wasn't upset about his minutes. He just wanted to get Knicks fans all riled up. Like it was just him being like, I'm going to troll people on the internet. Now is it. You know what I think? So before you continue, I do need to just interrupt. I think he would have been an unbelievable writer for the Daily Mail, just making up stories and rage baiting people. I think he actually would have been an unbelievable like tabloid headline writer. Absolutely, probably because he he understands he understands the power of information. He really does. He understands his role in basketball, especially in New York, where fans are like he understands the fan ecosystem and and kind of celebrity culture almost and chooses to have fun. I mean, it's performance art. Yeah. It really is. Even the way he turns down interviews is performance art. Like his non quotes are are great quotes. One time Stefan Bondi from the near post asked him if he had two minutes for an interview and Mitch said, no, I got a post on my only fans and ran away. I'm like, dude, that's better than the interview. Yeah, true. He's he's insistent that he secretly has no only fans, which which none of us believe. But again, it's just like Mitch saying things for it's all just saying things for a reaction to entertain and then refusing, but part of the entertainment is that he refuses to ever admit that it's just for a reaction. But so I was talking to Mitch once, I was interviewing him for the book, actually, and I said to him, I was like, you love trolling people online in person and everything says, Oh, he cuts me off. People all the time. I troll everybody. I troll you. You probably don't even know. I troll you. I'm like, obviously, I know you make fun of me to my face all the time. One time I walked into the locker room and he, he just pulls me over and he says, you know, I have a friend who looks like you and I was like, Oh, really? He says, yeah, he's so ugly. Brutal. Brutal. Brutal. Brutal. It's, you know, like, you know, I like OGN and OB is normally so straight faced and stoic. So OG is the locker next to Mitch, we're in Indiana and Mitch says, I have a friend who looks like you and says, yeah, he's so, he's so ugly. And OG is just like getting ready and a straight face game face on. And OG just like, just like Seth Rogan cackles, like, wow, just like, just like cannot stop laughing. And he could just destroyed, yep, just absolutely destroyed. It was hysterical. But so I said to Mitch, I'm like, Mitch, I'm fully aware that you, you troll me and I was like, I do have a question. They're like, does he never talk trash on the court? He's normally, he's just like straight face, totally silent on the court. I'm like, why do you troll everybody in the basketball world? Fans, players, everything, troll everybody in the basketball world at every chance you get. But when you're on the court, you don't say a word. And he says to me, that's between me and the court. Wow. That's poetic. Yeah. It is. So we'll never know why it's between him and the court. Wow. I don't really know why I told that story. But no, I like it. I like that. I like that. Well, he paints a picture of him. I think it really does. He's, he's a mystery, but he's also quite easy to understand at the same time. That is so well said. That's, that's what I feel like his vibe is. Yes. What beautifully put the actual words that he's going to say. Are a mystery, but his energy is extremely consistent. Yes. Right. Right. Yes. I do think that Joe Missoula and his, his unhinged quotes. I mean, if Mitch's papyrate Joe is like wingedings, you know, he says a wildest stuff. And I think that they are going to work very well together. Also, Missoula already did apologize to Mitch and said, sorry, we did hack a Mitch. Or they, the Celtics fouled him because he can't shoot free throws, which so I think it's all going to work out. Before we transition to another topic, do you have any other, is there any post championship nicks stuff like about Jalen or Josh or any, any gossip that we would be remiss not to ask you? And we'll do that part quickly because we do have, there are other gossip stories in the NBA, but. Let's move on to the other gossip stories. Well, there's some stuff that I, I maybe I'll, maybe I'll talk about it next time on the show. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're leaving us hanging. Love it. Well, take it away. In other rage bait news, there's a fight heard around the NBA or at least heard around Las Vegas between former teammates, Bam out of bio and Tyler hero who played with each other on the heat. I'll walk through a bit of the details for people who do not know and then Fred, we'd love your thoughts on the situation. But reportedly this altercation happened at 9 a.m., which is a really early time to get in a little tussle. And according to some lovely reporting from the athletic, a reportedly, Bam walked onto the courts and said and Tyler hero said something to him and then Bam went up to Tyler hero and reportedly without hesitation, punched him. And this reportedly happened in front of an AAU team that is run by Tyler hero. So we have not seen any footage of the fight yet, but I would imagine if it's around a bunch of teenagers or younger people, there's footage somewhere that TMZ will get a hold of. And this was allegedly centered around comments that Tyler hero may be made on a social media account that they think is run by him in the DMs. He was going back and forth with someone, some of the highlights where he reportedly said that he called himself the best player on the heat and then also was questioning whether Bam should be getting paid $60 million as a top defender, quote, on some nights. Those were just a couple of the highlights from the messages. So we don't know obviously for sure if Tyler hero really was running this account at least based on what the reporting has been so far, but Fred, what are your thoughts on the situation? Do you think Tyler hero really made these comments? What do you think's going on? Well, first I'm going to describe the situation in a font because yes, unquestionably, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact is already. Can you bold impact? Yeah. You can't make it. Oh my God. Yeah. Extra thick. Yeah. Yeah. It'll. How come I can't say, finger, John, but you can say extra, it's worse, it's worse, it's worse. Yeah. Because of my podcast, Fred, you're just disgusting. Exactly. Wait until you hear what I've got, we got loaded up later, I can't wait just kidding. I have to go to leave. What was the question? What are you talking about? No, I, what were your thoughts when you read this, you know, have you, and have you heard anything about the situation? Crazy because it seems so out of character for a band-mounted biop. Yes. It is this generally very beloved figure, very beloved teammate, very beloved by everybody in the heat organization. Like there's a reason why he is the chosen one with the heat. It's not just because of his ability on the court. It's because of him as a, as a human being, it's the work ethic and the leadership skills, the humility, the, you know, the dedication, everything else that comes with it. And he tends to be like really beloved by his teammates and I was surprised by the entire thing. I was surprised that Bam put hands on a guy allegedly, you're right 9 a.m., I hadn't thought about that. So early. Right. Right. But that's also honestly, if, if, if Bam is going to do that, it would make sense. Like I wouldn't, yeah, I couldn't see Bam getting into like a fight at the club, you know? No, no, no. Like that's not, it's not like Bam's going to get drunk and get into a fight at the club. He's going to do it like after like a hard workout. He finished his 6 a.m. workout and he's like, I'm upset that this is happening. I, I, it's very, it's, it's very odd. I will say NBA players, I, I cannot speak for Bam ends to why it happened. But I can say in general, NBA players don't like it when you comment on why there should be less money in their pockets and probably no one likes that. It's just generalized NBA players. No, unless you don't have a lot to begin with in which case it's like, yeah, it gives my front of me as you want. Right. Unless you're driving a Mazda. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On this spot, you can make fun of us. That's right. Please. Yeah. I do think I, I wonder at least if this isn't a simmering of tension that people didn't know about because a lot of the reports have been that here on Bam got along well, although over the past season, hero wasn't fitting into their offense quite the way that I think Bam, it seems wanted heroes of pick and roll guy. They were doing less of that. And you can kind of trace like tiny bits of tension, perhaps, but when something like this happens, it, it either seems like it's a very cut and dry situation of, yeah, this is what happened, Bam didn't like that hero said these things and he snapped or there's something none of us know that was going on that bubbled over. And I think because it's Bam, maybe at least I'm inclined to think maybe there's another part of this and obviously not excusing violence, like you shouldn't punch someone in the face. But it, it, it is so out of character that it kind of makes you think, and I know there's been a lot of great reporting on it. So I'm not saying that, you know, there's something that people haven't uncovered necessarily. I just, I don't, do you know what I mean? Does that make sense to either of you? Yeah. 100%. I don't think that insults the reporting. Yeah. You can't always know what's going, no matter how good of a reporter you are, you can't always know what's going on in somebody's mind or what happened in their personal life unless they choose to make that, to make that public. So I think that makes perfect sense. I think you are spot on with kind of the dynamic in the heat locker room last year and just adding on to that, you know, the guy who had the biggest change in role, because the heat totally renovated the style of offense they were going to play, like they completely changed it over. And the guy who had the biggest change in role from, from two years ago into this past season was bam, who was the guy who would say. all of those screens. We used to be the guy who would have more dribble handoffs than any other player in the league and then went to like not doing it at all, who was spending way more time behind the three point arc, who had to change his style completely. And Eric's bolster, their head coach spoke throughout the entire year about how much of a change this was for Bam and how in the early parts of the season, how unbelievably uncomfortable Bam was with all of it and how he still just kind of showed up and fought through it and put in the effort to try to figure it out. Even though this was such an uncomfortable thing for him, I think it was probably uncomfortable for hero two. He is not the first guy who, because this is an offense that's been tried by other NBA teams, you know, they famously tried it in Memphis and John Morant hated it because there was no pick and roll and they ended up having a, you know, coaching change because of it. This is not the first time that a team in the NBA has tried going with so few pick and rolls and running this type of offense and they sprinkled in some more throughout the course of the year. But yes, I think there was definitely some thought of like one guy was uncomfortable and another guy was also uncomfortable and one guy was constantly getting the public praise for doing whatever he could to make it work. I think that that's something to. Yeah. I also think something here, as we talk a lot on the show about vibes, just going off of vibes. And again, we don't know what happened. I will say I was looking into Tyler heroes Wikipedia personal life section and then gone on a bit of a deep dive. And I do think that there are some things he has said that I could imagine over time would irritate you to the point that if he did post something talking sh*t about your how much money you're making, Bob, whether you should be making that much money, I would also wake up and want to confront him about it. Some of those things include him saying that he, quote, doesn't believe in history on a Twitch livestream. And he doubled down by saying he doesn't believe that the moon landing or Christopher Columbus' discovery of America were real. And he also said, quote, I don't believe in anything that happened before 1950. So I can just imagine if those are things that we have as public statements. I don't know. He said that. Yes. Backtrack. What does he think the universe was created in 1950? What's the follow-up to that? You know, this is unbelievable. That's a great question. I don't know. Has he never met a 77-year-olds? These are great questions, Fred. You're asking the tough questions. He's actually an Eisenhower absolutionist. He thinks that anything before the highways didn't have to always bring it back to the highways. It's back in the highways. That's what I'm saying. I think if he is saying this publicly as of the Twitch stream comment was from 2025, I believe. If he is saying this this recently, I can't imagine Bam is sitting there in the locker room. He is probably just shaking his head all the time. Just like this young kid just won't shut up in these stupid comments. And over time, he was probably just eating him alive. Like he wasn't anything like directed at him. And then when this came out that he maybe was talking sh*t about him in an Instagram DM on a burner account, I'm sure Bam was just seething and was like this. I'm putting him in his place. He's like the kid. The kid who doesn't believe in anything before 1950 thinks I'm overpaid. Right. Yeah. No, I'm with you. I would also be being perhaps, yes. Yes. I mean, I wonder how he got to 1950. You know, well, he was he was falling in about what he like doubled down. I don't have the quote from when he was saying about Christopher Columbus, but basically being like, well, how do we don't have anyone from that basically be like, how do we have proof? And you're like, I don't know, ask a bunch of historians. What? I don't know primary sources. Perhaps. Yeah. So when I saw that, I was like, yeah, of course, Bam punched him in the face. Like I'm sure he's like this prick. Well, should I be more so ugly big though you were those big shoes, those green giant funny shoes. Yes, I'm like, I would be so annoyed with this kid. I mean, I'm like, you just shut up. Yeah. Anyways, it wasn't a question. It was more just what are your thoughts, Fred? I don't think there's any way to follow that react to go. Okay. I have something. No, no, no, go for it. Yeah. Anyways, I just had to say that. I think that I think that I agree with what you're saying in that all of the small things in a locker room that we don't know about what we do know as Tyler Heroes said some really dumb things, which leads to your point, Madeline, to believe if this is public, what is he said privately? And I think perhaps there cannot ever be too much weight put on those tiny paper cuts throughout a season of a professional sports team, especially one as long as the NBA, where these things that we can't know about add up to the point where there is some explosive moment. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's accurate. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's, I think that's well said. I think I'm still getting over the 1950 comment. Well, we'll come back to believe. Does he believe like in like paper clips? You know, does he believe it? I mean, those of paper, period, right? I mean, you can also imagine, I'm sorry, but if someone says you don't believe anything that, if a white guy says I don't believe anything that happened before 1950, I'm sorry, but that does lead to some very problematic avenues if you really want to follow them down. Well, I'll tell you what, I have it as a Jew have no thoughts on that. I was just going to say also, is it you just something that I that popped into my head, but yeah. But also, he also, wait, you said he also doesn't believe in the moon landing. Yeah, he's, this was about that. He was on this live stream. He said, quote, nah, I don't believe in that. I don't believe in anything that happened before 1950. That's the full quote. So he also is the date of the the moon landing. But he also doesn't, so he doesn't really believe that anything happened. Yes. And he said he doesn't believe in history. Right. Right. Which means he doesn't believe that anything that isn't now happened. He doesn't even believe that bam out of bio punch them, which is maybe why he gave such a happy interview after bam punched him before it became public that bam punched punched him. It's just in the moment. The philosopher Spinoza, I think about this sometime, he had, he had this thing where like the only thing that is real is now the only moment that is happening is now, which I don't think he meant in terms of like history didn't happen. But a more philosophical maybe Tyler here has just been reading a lot of the famous Jewish philosopher. And I heard that the worst part of this whole thing is that I heard that from an interview with the actor, Jerry, we're strong, who's famously, I thought you're going to say also on that on an Instagram post with the papyrus font. No, no, I wish. I wish it was like a Mark Marin podcast years ago or something awful. Anyway, I do like that everything you're saying in this podcast sounds like it was from our early 2000s classic rock slash pop song. Like you're like the only thing to believe in is now that I could that could easily be a Samantha Mumbo lyric. Yeah. Oh, remember her. Oh my god. Yeah, she was in the time machine. Uh, I don't remember that. I'm too young. Really bad at that. I believe in history. Yeah. Yeah, literally the time machine is like the most anti-tyler hero. No, you hate it. A time machine hates it. Time machine. A time machine. What do I need to go back to never? All right. Let's talk about LeBron. That's a transition. Go for it. Okay. Are you saying it? Do you want me to say it? I don't know. You know, we're just really, I feel, I feel like we're in a flow state right now. It feels really nice. So let's talk about LeBron. Obviously, I was joking to Manel and before we recorded this, that we're recording this on Wednesday for those listening. This is going to come out Thursday morning, most likely given the way the podcast God's work between, you know, Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, LeBron will have decided where he's going. And that's fine. But there have been things. Madeline and I have said based on what we've read, based on what we've seen, seems most likely LeBron is going to go to Golden State or Cleveland. Okay. But this week, all the stuff came out about how the Sixers are really trying to get LeBron, especially after they sign Jaylen Brown from the Celtics, which I'm not, I'm as a Celtics fan, just pissed. But that's fine. We haven't even talked about it yet. I do think though it is worth noting that Tyrese Maxey, young star of the Sixers, is also represented by Rich Paul and Clutch Sports, who represent LeBron. So I guess my question to you Fred is, is the Sixers stuff real? Or is this another case of like insider information being used for leverage in another deal? Is there a chance LeBron would move to Philadelphia? Or is it most likely that he's going to go to Golden State? And this is some like, you know, agent dark arts. Who the hell knows? I think it's real. Reputable reporters are reporting it is real. Reputable people are saying it's real inside the league. It seems like it could be real, but I'll repeat a reporter cannot necessarily read somebody's mind. We can only talk to reliable people in firsthand sources and find out what they're telling us. And if we can verify that, then we can put it out there and it seems very verifiable and real. And it is real that the sixers absolutely won him and recruiting him hard and that Bob Myers went on Rich Paul's podcast and recruited him, which by the way, I think should just be a thing. Like I think every GM who wants LeBron should have to go on the podcast and get their own episode kind of like how like if, if like how there are rules on like if one presidential candidate gets an hour interview with one person, then that person then has to deal with one hour and give the same amount of airtime to the other major candidate. I feel like that should be the case. They should all go. I also think that Mike Dunlavy who runs the Warriors and Michael Winger who runs the Wizards should have to go on Rich Paul's podcast and they should have to negotiate an Anthony Davis trade live on the podcast. Oh, nothing. That's a great life. Nothing would be great. The whole thing should just play out on Rich Paul's podcast. And I think that would be a great little encapsulation of modern day media and would would bring back access. Yes. It would bring Rich Paul would bring back access. And I think they should do the whole thing. I do think LeBron to fill really as a possibility is real. I don't know if that's where he's going to end up going. But I do think it's it seems as if there has been real momentum towards that. I think the basketball fit actually makes a ton of sense with what they could use. And I know Philly would really, really like it to happen. And they very much believe that that they're in it. And the fact that Bob Myers went on Rich Paul's pod too, tells you like, like, I don't know. I don't think I don't think Rich Paul is going to waste the time of someone that powerful for for no reason. You know, like Bob Myers is a powerful, important figure in the NBA. If he's going on and doing that, like, I don't think Rich Paul is going to waste the time of that guy for for no reason. I think there are real candidates. Yeah. Well, only time will tell I still think he's going to Cleveland. I just think energetically it's whether it makes sense or not. I don't care. It just feels spiritually like that. The only I feel like why just a random mother city. It's like it feel like it has to either be Golden State because it's in California. You can take a private jet home after a game and it'll be held in 45 minutes or he's going back to Cleveland where he also already has a house. It's just logistically speaking. I'm like, it just to me for talking about infrastructure makes more sense for his own life. I think I think he's going to go to Golden State because him playing with Steph Curry is just the most fun possible outcome. And also, I mean, he said this before, it's like, if there's an older guy's Avengers, they actually have a chance also because maybe this is me being a hater. I don't think the sixers with Joe Ellen bead. And then no matter who you put around, I just I'm sorry. I don't know that I see that energetically resulting in a championship, even if they have LeBron, which is maybe not fair of me to say, but yeah. There's also the whole thing of like LeBron has played for four teams and he's won championships for all four teams he's gone to. He won one for the calves or sorry, three teams. He won one for the calves. He won one for Miami. He won one for one two for Miami. And he won one for the Lakers. And if he chooses his new team, that kind of that's like part of his legacy. You know, if he goes to a new organization, he hasn't been to yet. It's like, oh, it's like it's like when you go back to your ex, you know, out of just out of bad habit because you're like, I don't want to add to my body count. Yeah. Well, if he goes to Cleveland, he's like, I did win one here. Right. Right. Exactly. It's like, I don't have to add to my body count. You know, it's like it's just Cleveland again. I'm not risking anything. No, exactly. He knows how to go to the grocery store. He knows his restaurants. It's all, it's all kind of set up for him. Yeah. Yeah. When you think the last time LeBron went to a grocery store was like recent, like do you think he actually goes to a grocery store or do you think he doesn't? Cause I, I don't think he does, but I would love for him to go to a grocery store. But I don't think he does. Maybe he's swung by an era one though. Yeah. Okay. I could see that. The one in Calabas is probably. Yeah. He's like a hailey Bieber smoothie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet he's gotten one. You know, who's definitely gotten one is Bronnie or like someone Bronnie was dating and brought it home, you know, to their house. That's what I think happened. Yeah. There's been a hailey Bieber smoothie in the James household. Yes. Yeah. Savannah probably likes it. Probably. It's a good smoothie. It's, it's a dessert. It's not a smoothie. It's a dessert. I said dessert. Yeah. Well, it's good. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Well, I think we could talk to you for hours, Fred. But you've already answered this question on our show before. So we're going to give you a little bit of a twist. We asked you last time what your favorite sports gossip story of all time was and that we could ask you that same question again, but I think to get more specifics since we are talking about basketball, what is your favorite basketball gossip story of all time? Hmm. I think our show in general should have more long silences. I love it. I really like that. Are they still there? Yeah, no, I felt I felt suspended. It was like I was, you know, floating in water for it was like a beautiful moment. We're still floating. Fred's thinking we're floating. I want a good one. I want a good one. I want to. I want to. But I like what I feel, you know, when Fred comes on our show, Madeline, I really, I feel that if there's a silence, I still, I feel like we're safe. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, because I know that he's going to say something so unexpected and it's going to be the perfect thing to say. Yeah. And that's what we'll just give you Fred. Yeah. So take all the time you need. We'll just be here. Yeah. I want. I want a really good. I want a really good answer. I'm trying, here's the thing. I keep, I keep thinking of things I can't say. Because while I, while I, I don't cover baseball, you know, so last time I came on, I said when Alex Rodriguez peed on his cousin's rug. And that was my favorite baseball one. But that's out there. I don't cover baseball. That's out there. I know about that because it was reporting on and out there. Basketball, all the best ones that I know about are ones that like I as a reporter shouldn't say. Explain to people the mechanisms of the way journalism works that you shouldn't say. Well, number one, like I'm not a gossip reporter. So I, I don't want to like, if there's not, if there's not a newsworthy element to it. Right. Then I'm not like, you know, I'm not in in need of it or not necessarily not need a bit. But if, if there's not a newsworthy element to it, then I'm not going to put it out there. What we say in the show, we're not, we're not trying to ruin someone's life. Right. Totally. I'm also not trying to ruin my own life right now. And say something that's out there about someone that I know and have that person call me and be like, what the? Well, here's the thing about the word gossip though. As we say on the show, gossip can be interpreted in many different ways. It could be shocking. It could be unexpected. It doesn't necessarily need to be personal in nature. All right. That's the beautiful thing about our show. I am going to end it. I'm going to take us full, full circle and back to font. Back to back to Mitchell Robinson. Oh, okay. Okay. Great. And, and, and back to fonts. Oh, I had a feeling. Oh, boy. It's a Mitchell Robinson font story. Really? Kind of. Well, we're about to find out. It's about as close to a Mitchell Robinson font story as you're going to yet amongst Mitchell Robinson font stories. So, must have been four years ago. The nicks were playing really well. And they're on a really good run specifically. They're playing great defensively. And the New York Post runs a back page. The back pages after another win. They'd won like four in a row. So, after another win. And I had Mitchell Robinson on the back page because he had been anchoring the defense. And the headline was writing the detrain. And it was upon on the New York City subway system. Yeah. Mitchell Robinson had no idea it was upon on the New York City subway system. And he thought he just he saw it on Instagram. And he thought it was fake. He thought somebody was insinuating that he was the lute version of writing the detrain. And thought it was the most ridiculous thing he'd ever seen. So, he posted it on his Instagram stories, being like a more normal mode of social media, by the way. Yeah, it's very normal. And it's on his Instagram stories of just being like like I fricking like a few crying laughing emojis. And then just being like, what is going on here? He then became obsessed with the riding the D train headline to the point that he would check with the beatwriters every day for this happened in December. And he checked with the beatwriters every day for the rest of the season that we would ask him questions. You going to ride a ride in the D train story on this? And he would check every day and ask me about riding the D train. And he would like deac us into thinking that he wasn't going to ask about riding the D train. And then would still ask about riding the D train. You're going to ask him some sort about riding the D train and became obsessed with riding the D train to the point that after three or so months of his obsession with riding the D train just every day, this unrelenting obsession with riding the D train. After three or so months, I walked up to him and I said to him like, I had a ridiculous story idea, which was, Mitch is very hard to write features about because he doesn't really, he's everything is a joke. Yeah. And his mind always goes to what's the most ridiculous thing that I can say. And that's what he says, which makes him a very enjoyable person to goof around with, but also makes him difficult to write features about because you don't get anything serious out of him. And so I was like, you know what, I could capture his vibe in a feature if I wrote a story about his obsession with riding the D train. And just wrote a story about his obsession with this one joke over and over and over again. I just captured his vibe by writing about this, maybe spiced in some other Mitch fun facts that are funny and enjoyable and kind of captures his sort of, you know, out there vibe. So I went up to him, but all these are made like, not into microphones, you know. So I want to make sure that, you know, this is an example of something like it's not newsworthy. Like if he's saying it, just as a joke to us, but he doesn't want it out there, then I'll be like, I'll, I'm not going to be like, well, you don't want to, you don't want to go. I wrote your trust with him as an actual report. Yeah. Exactly. And so I went to him and I was just like, Hey, Mitch, do you mind if I write a story on all the, all the s*** you've said about riding the D train? And, and he says to me, he doesn't just say yes. He says, yeah, the people gotta know, like it's a cause, like he's an advocate. Yeah, the people got the people must know. So I wrote the story and it was kind of all over Twitter because people were like, Oh my God, what is this story? The next day I go into the next locker room before a game and Mitch is sitting in his locker as he always is when the media comes in and it calls me over and he's like, he's like really pissed at me that I wrote this story. He's like, why would you, why would you write that? I never said that into a, into a microphone. Like why would you, that was, that was messed up. He's telling me that it's like, it's like effed up that I did that. And I was like, he was like, and he's like, it was a terrible story at me. You made me look terrible, like you made me look awful. And I didn't think I made him look awful. The reaction to the story was overwhelmingly positive. All the comments are like, Oh my God, I love Mitch. This is the most funniest thing ever. Like all the comments. He's like, you made me look terrible. Why would you do that? Like Mitch, I don't even know like what you're talking about here. I was like, did you, I was like, I asked you if I could write it. And you said, yeah, the people got to know. And you said that never happened. I said, Mitch, did you, I say, Mitch, did you read the story? It's literally in the story. He said, ah, I didn't read it. I would never read your sh*t. I'm just f*cking. And, and that, my friends is Mitchell Robinson. Unbelievable. That's unbelievable. That old tractor made some what you've said. That's a beautiful thing. He just wants to troll people all the time under all, the whole thing, under all circumstances. So what you're saying is he's just papyrus in his soul. Yeah. Spiritually papyrus. He's just papyrus. Yes. Wow. I mean, what can, yeah, thank you, Fred. Fred was perfect. I don't know if that's gossip. No, it is. I mean, that's what we're saying. It's like gossip can mean a lot of different things. It doesn't necessarily mean, oh my god, this player did something crazy in his personal life. It could be something like that. It just tells you more about who he is. And maybe, yeah, sure, how he plays basketball on the court and what his vibe is. But it can be anything. It's open to interpretation. He's one of one. Fred, so are you. Thank you for taking the time to come on our podcast about font and basketball. Tell the people where they can find you and your work. You can find my writing on the athletic. You can subscribe to my podcast cats and shoot on patreon.com. You can pre-order my book under the bright lights. The revival of the New York Knicks on, like I said, Amazon, orange and oval everywhere else. You can do it on the Simon and Schuster website. And yeah, that's it. Right. Thank you so much. You a multimedia mogul over here. Thank you so much, Fred. Thank you, Fred. Oh, what a great conversation with Fred. This is one of our longer interviews. I think we've had and it was worth every second. Yeah, it was less of an interview and more of just like Fred was the third host, which I love. You know, I meant it when I said I feel safe in the silences with no thread on the show. He could have like a ASMR or like a meditation tape where it's just a couple times he speaks and then it's just silent and I would feel at peace. Can you imagine Fred cats meditation? Nothing would bring me greater joy. You just rambling off Nick's random role player stats from like 1999 to 2005. He just goes, he's just like so. And then and then five minutes, five minutes. Heaven. All right. Well, thank you to Fred. You know, we feel that you come back anytime. Well, I think it is also the time the show where we do our fun fashion mailbag segment sponsored by eBay Live. And I have, of course, our handy dandy Chanel wallet from eBay Live very exciting. And today's question is what championship jersey from an NBA team or not? Would you want to purchase on eBay Live? You know, like the winning like a player wore a winning jersey. What would you pick? This is a fun one that could be anything. It could be anything. It really could be anything. I guess I mean, this would probably cost a whole lot of money. Maybe I've just got World Cup on the brain. But the jersey that Brandy Chesting ripped off when they won 1999 World Cup. Can you imagine? No, I can't. How much do you think that costs? I can't even a lot, a lot of money, but you know, I was good to say that. And so I don't even think I'm going to come up with an, no, I really was that was because I think of like, what is an iconic moment? It also has to do with the jersey itself. Exactly. It's not like I saw like Jalen Brunson's jersey was up for auction recently. And I'm like, yeah, that I'm like, I actually think I'd want OG's tip in jersey. If I was going to, you know what I mean? Like the jersey war went in during game four. But I think Brandy Chesting because it, yeah, it's like, it was about the moment, but also it was quite literally was about the fabric. Yes. Yes. Totally. It became this cultural. That feels like the jersey itself was the, like when she's holding it overhead, I mean, it was just so cool and that it's like the jersey is famous. The jersey is famous. The only, the only other one that popped into my head was Kevin Garnett's jersey from when he said anything is possible. That's a good one. Okay. That's a good one too. That's a great backup. Like obviously Brandy first. Yeah. If you lose out an auction, you get exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Perfect backup. Thank you. Well, if any of our shareholders have any jersey would want drop them in the comments. I'm curious what people would say. But thanks to our mailback sponsor eBay live, can't miss live streams, heart pounding auctions, iconic fashion and collectibles, whatever you're into, you can bring it home right now. Don't miss another second at ebay.com slash ebay live. And that is our show, dear shareholders. As always, please rate review. Like and subscribe. It makes a huge, huge difference. You can follow us on Instagram at sports gossip, TikTok at sports gossip show. You can buy this shirt. I'm wearing right now. Browse shareholder. Browse shareholder. 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