Ba-Dum-Bum Goes Your Heart!

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A Costco membership is required. Orders $100 plus. Save up to $60. Ends 12-31. Limit three uses per person. Terms apply. See app for details. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too. And this is time for your anatomy. So sit down and shut up. Oh man, teachers of the days of old. For real. I've got my yardstick. Yeah. I've got my necklace of garlic. All the stuff the teachers used to have. You got your dunce cap? Yeah. I can't imagine that, wearing that. Like, how humiliating. Agreed. Speaking of humiliating in school, I have a quick anecdote. When I was in second grade, I went to a Catholic school, and there was a woman who taught. She was not a nun, she was a civilian. And she would look in your desk, you know, you had those desks that, like, the top would open, you kept your stuff inside. Yeah. Okay. So she would go and look through people's desks, kids' desks, while we were at recess. And then when we came back in, she'd walk slowly up and down the aisles, and then she would stop at whoever's desk she found messiest. She'd tell them to get up. She'd, you know, she'd, you know, she'd, you know, she'd dump their desk over onto the floor, and tell them to clean it up, because it wasn't organized. Wow. And then they had to do that, and then she'd just start the lesson. Did you ever get the treatment? I don't know. If I did, it was so traumatic, I blocked it out, but I don't remember ever getting it. But it was like, it was one of those things where you just, like, it made the whole class feel awful for that person, you know what I mean? Yeah, oh my God, that's terrible. So suffice to say, I ended up in public school, starting in third grade. Oh, well, good for you. So anyway, on to the heart, right? That's right, we're talking about the human heart. I have a question for you. Mm-hmm. Chuck, have you ever held a beating human heart in your hand? I have not, but I gotta say, like, reading over this stuff and studying this made me feel good in a way and bad in a way. Like, good that there's such a genius thing as the human heart, but kind of scared in a way that, like, everything revolves around this little fist-sized pump working really, really hard for many, many decades. Yeah, for a long time. I mean, what is it, like, 40 million beats a year? Something like that. I mean, we got those stats. Yeah, and I mean, like, there's a lot of work. Well, yeah, I think we'll cover it at some point, but there's a lot of work that goes into your heart. Like, beating, but I mean, man, it's pretty vital. If the heart shuts down, the whole body goes, basically. Yeah, and is the heart, is it the only thing in your body that's, like, moving? Like, I know blood moves and cells and things, but it's the only thing that has real movement, right? Well, I guess your lungs move when you breathe in and out. Yeah, but, yeah. But that's not even the same. It seems a little different. Like, moves on its own, I guess, is what you're saying, right? Yeah, just, I don't know. The design, it seems like a design flaw. That it has to move? No, just like, here's your whole body. You got everything. This does this, this does that. And the thing that operates it all is this little thing in the middle that's supposed to beat with great regularity. Yeah, but it does, and it's amazing. And we are going to explain today how it works, because I did not know how it worked. And now that we've done this research, I'm like, I understand how the heart works, and it's actually not that complicated, really, even though it is pretty much miraculous. No, and at the end of the day, it is just a little pump. And like any pump that you buy or use, like, you know, pumps work continuously if they're plugged in or whatever. And they can break down. They can get clogged up, and they can need repair. And the heart is really literally no different. Yes, and it can, like you said, it does need repair. In fact, heart disease is, I think, the most common heart disease in the world. Heart disease is the most common heart disease in the world. I think the leading cause of death in the U.S., we talked about that in the cancer episode, I think. Yeah, it still is. The stat I found is that 2,500 Americans die of heart disease each day. That's a death every 34 seconds. And it sounds much smaller, but proportionately, I think these are on par. In the U.K., 170 people die a day of heart disease. In Australia, it's 120. And in Canada, it's 288. So that's a lot of people. But weirdly, the death rate, I don't want to say weirdly, the death rate from heart attacks has gone down. And you're like, well, great, Americans are getting healthier. No, that's not true at all. It's just that we've gotten better at life-saving technology and techniques. And so we're able to save people from dying from a heart attack more easily. But there's more people that live with chronic heart conditions. After they're saved from dying from their heart attack than there used to be. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, the one piece of non-medical advice concerning this I will give is, you know, like once you get into your 40s, I'm a big believer in just knowing stuff and preemptive measures. Yeah. I recommend people go in earlier than you think you should for a heart screening, even if you're in great shape, just to see what's going on in there. See how you're doing, because there are far too many stories. There are tons of people that were like, I thought I was in great shape. And then I had the widow maker. And I didn't know I had plaque blockage. I had a friend I went to college with that was like, I feel funny. I think I should drive myself to the emergency room. And which was great, but like got there and died in the parking lot of the hospital. So you hear brutal stories like that. So that stuff can happen and not to scare anyone, but like, you know, get some preemptive tests done. Just to kind of see where you're at, is my advice. I got tests done. It wasn't preemptive. I was actually scared to death. My dad has a fib. So I've heard that if that runs in your family, it's very likely that you're going to develop a fib. Yeah. And I had started to get like fluttering, like palpitations. Like I felt like my heart was doing a somersault once in a while. So I was like, man, I sent myself in. I got a full workup from a cardiologist for two weeks. Got the X-ray. Had the telemetry, all that stuff. And when I went in for my results, he was like, there's nothing wrong with your heart. He said, I don't even see anything coming down the pike to be worried about. And I was, I almost started crying. I was so relieved. And I went back to smoking after that. No, you didn't. No, I didn't. The world breathed a sigh of relief. Oh, you did go back to smoking? No, no. I said, no, I didn't. Okay. I thought this one might have been like a long time ago. But yes, everybody on planet Earth was relieved to hear that. That's so sweet. I did the same thing and got my arterial score. And this was back when I was in much, much worse shape. And it was lower. And I think I've even said this before. The doctor, I'm not sure if it made me feel better or not. He was like, frankly, I thought it would be higher. But it wasn't zero, which isn't great. But since then, things are going better. So hopefully I've at least staved off that kind of thing for a little while longer. That's great, man. It feels good, doesn't it? Yeah, I mean, we all want to live, right? Yeah, pretty much. I would say the vast majority. All right. So let's talk about the heart itself as a physical object. It is hollow and it is cone-shaped. And I think most people know this. It's a muscle. And it's between the lungs and behind the sternum, about two-thirds of which is on the left side of your body's midline and about a third to the right with the apex, the little pointy end pointing. And it's going down and to the left. Down and to the left. I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, I've always heard you make a fist. Yeah. And it's actually about the size of your heart. I've heard your fist is relative to your heart size. Yeah. Anyway, you put it in the middle of your chest and tilt it to your left. And that's basically right over your heart right then. Yeah. That apex is about five inches long, about three and a half inches wide. Two and a half inches from front to back, which makes it relatively fist size. And a man's heart is generally bigger. at about 10.5 ounces compared to the average woman's heart, which is about nine ounces. And like I said, I think it's a small thing. It's 0.5% of your total body weight. So a lot is riding on that little fist-sized dude. For sure. It's got three layers. And this, I mean, we're describing like one of the most, one of like the top organs in your body. One of the best inventions. Yeah. Relatively small, relatively simple. It's got only three layers. The first layer, the smooth inside lining of the heart or the Billy Dee Williams layer is called the endocardium. That's right. The middle layer is called the mitocardium or the Jan Brady layer. And then there's a fluid-filled sac that surrounds it. It's called the pericardium or the jiggly poo. How long did you spend on that? It just came. It just came out of me, but it was, it's written down for sure. It's not off the cuff. Okay. I got you. So there are four chambers to the heart. You have the right atrium. That is, and what we're describing here is literally the function of the heart. So the right atrium is the starting point. And that's when you have oxygen, poor blood that your body has used up that arrives to the little recycling plant. Yep. You've got the right ventricle that's below the atrium. And that's where that oxygen, poor blood gets pumped out to your lungs to go get re-enriched, right? That's right. And then let's talk about the left atrium, Chuck. That's right. That's where the lungs deliver that good blood, that oxygenated blood back to the heart and then bring us home, baby. You've got the left ventricle below the left atrium, and that's where the oxygen-rich blood gets pumped back out to the body for use, right? The left ventricle is far and away the biggest of them because it's really got. Got to work to pump. Yeah. So that left side handles the oxygen-rich blood, right side, the oxygen-poor blood. And it's just with the heart and the lungs, it's just a little mini recycling center in your body. Yeah. Another thing to remember is the atria is incoming. The ventricles is outgoing. That's it. That's right. And these chambers work by way of one-way valves at the exits. And that's to keep blood from going back the other way. So that chamber is going to contract. The valve at that exit is going to open up. And when it's done contracting, that valve is going to close because reentry is not allowed. Yeah. It's like a backflow preventer on your irrigation system. Yeah. So like I said, the left ventricle, it's thicker. It's bigger, I think. And it's because it's responsible for getting that blood out there to your body. And it's got to overcome your general blood pressure to really get it moving, right? That's right. So I feel like we can just kind of describe what happens with the heartbeat, right? Because everybody says it's like lub-dub, lub-dub, right? Yeah. What I thought is that that's the sound of the heart contracting. That's not the case. The lub and the dub are the sounds of those one-way valves closing when one of the sets of either atria or ventricles is opening and closing, right? Yeah. So I took some peyote last night to have a vision quest. To figure out how to best describe this. And I'd like to share what I came up with. Yeah. Let's hear it. So this talking coyote explained it to me as- Oh, wonderful. You take two fists, right? You put one on top of the other. Okay. Okay. You open the top and what's going on? The blood, whether it's oxygen rich or oxygen poor, is flowing into the atria. That's in diastole. That's that relaxed state. If you look at your bottom fist, it's still a fist. So what's happening is that- That your ventricles are contracting. So while the blood's flowing into the atria, the ventricles are pushing oxygen poor and oxygen rich blood out, either to the lungs or the rest of the body. Now do the opposite. Your top makes a fist and your bottom opens up. And what just happened is those atria pumped that blood into your ventricles and then do it again. And your ventricles are now pumping that blood out. You got lubbed up, lubbed up, lubbed up. It's really fun to do. A bunch. And that's what your heart does. Yeah, a bunch. We mentioned the stats. It's about 72 times a minute is the average heartbeat at rest, obviously. And throughout a day, that means about 100,000 beats. In a year, that's about 38 million beats. And if you are lucky enough to reach the youngish age of 70, on average, we're talking about two and a half million beats laid down by the master DJ there in the center of your chest. That is really amazing. That is really impressive, man. Yeah. Did you know also those beats are not steady over your lifetime, that it actually speeds up and then slows down the younger you are? I did. It looks like it maxes out at three months old at 140. That's after about 130 beats per minute as a newborn. Then it goes up to the 140. Then at six months, settles back to 130. And your body goes, oh, am I newborn again? And then from years, one to 12, it goes from 120 to 115, steadies out at 100 for years, three, four, I'm sorry. Yeah. Three years, four years, and then six years. Did we skip five years? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Okay. Year eight, when you're a little eight-year-old, it drops down to 90. And at 12, when you truly don't care about what's going on in the world, it's all the way down to 85 and you can tell. And then in your adult years, about 60 to 100 beats per minute. Depending on what's going on. Yeah. And I said, why? And it turns out it's because the little hearts of babies and younger kids proportionate to their body are smaller than the adult heart is to an adult body. And so they have to pump more often to get that blood out as they're growing. And they also have higher metabolism too. Well, that means a baby fist is like proportionally, like the heart is smaller than a baby's fist, I guess then, right? Yes. Amazing. All right. Should we take a break? Yes. All right. We'll be right back. Here's a question for all you curious people. What's one thing you wish there was an app for? 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And let's talk about blood flow a little bit because your circulatory system is a big part, you know, of course, we said the heart is the pump, but it's got to be connected to stuff to take all the blood to every place in your body that needs it. And there are, I mean, this all smacks so much of like elementary school biology and stuff, but an anatomy, but I kind of love it. The three kinds of blood vessels, of course, are the veins, arteries, and capillaries. And the veins carry that oxygen necessary blood back to the heart, like that depleted blood. And the arteries carry that oxygen rich blood to the rest of the body. Veins go in, arteries go out. Yeah. And then you're like, well, what the heck do the capillaries do? They carry blood between the veins and the arteries. And I guess at some point, some of the veins are like, hey, I need some more nutrients. Give it to me from the arteries or something like that. I guess it's just for homeostasis purposes. That's the best I could come up with. I have a question. Like, I know the arteries are the big fellas and that their walls have muscle tissue because they actually like pump. Are capillaries, do they not have little muscle systems? Does the blood just kind of run? through them because of the force of entering and exiting? That's my understanding. Okay, that's what I thought. Veins use valve systems, from what I saw, rather than muscle tissue. Alright, I love it. Yeah, it is. The biggest I saw that an artery is, is about as wide as a nickel is round. Two centimeters. That's a big old artery. Two centimeters. Okay, yeah, I got you. Yeah. Imagine holding a nickel in your palm. It's been a while. Now imagine that it really has. Now imagine that is an artery just coming at you, like a cross-section of an artery. Yeah, yeah. I got you. Pretty intimidating. Yeah. So that blood, as we mentioned earlier, comes in through the right side through two veins, the superior vena cava. Oh man, elementary school city. And the inferior vena cava. And that, the aorta is that main artery of the body that gets all the blood that the heart is pumped out and then distributes it through the various, I guess, vein channels. Were you learning about the superior and inferior vena cava in elementary school? Because I definitely was not. I felt like I did, but maybe not now that you mention it. I mean, we didn't get anywhere near there. I think we learned that we have a heart and that's as far as we got. I also ran up through seventh grade in elementary school because we didn't have middle school, so maybe that's a differentiator. You didn't have middle school, so eighth grade began high school? Wow. Right after I left, they built a middle school in our district for the first time. And so my story was always that in eighth, ninth, and tenth grade, I was the youngest person in high school because they kept sending that next grade to middle school. Which at the time, now, it's like, who cares? But at the time, you just wanted to be older than somebody in the school. So three years straight, it was like, now they're taking the eighth graders. Now they're taking the ninth graders. That's the pits, man. Yeah. So yeah, I think by seventh grade, we were learning about this stuff. I don't remember that at all. But okay. I believe you. I'm saying I don't remember. I think I just learned about the superior and inferior vena cava. In college? No, researching this. Okay. Okay. So these are your blood vessels, and they're moving a lot of blood. How much? Get this. The heart pumps an average of about 2.4 ounces of blood every time it beats. It's a pretty decent amount of blood. I said, well, how much blood is it? 70 milliliters. And I was like, I don't understand how much that is at all. In airplane mini liquor bottles, it's about one and a half of those in blood every time your heart beats. Yeah. I'd like to tell people that when Josh takes an article and changes like parts of it to then send to me, there's always fun little things like that, and there's always lots of very funny, inappropriate cursing. I don't think I've ever mentioned how much I enjoy that, by the way. Oh, thanks, man. I enjoy yours as well. Yeah. They're only for my eyes, but it's always funny when I come across it. Thanks. It means a lot. Yeah. Maybe one day we'll just read it out loud and see what people think. I don't know about that. All right. So one and a half airplane bottles, airplane liquor bottles worth. Uh, at 72 beats a minute, that's about 1.3 gallons or 5 liters of blood pumped per minute and about 1,900 gallons or 7,200 liters of blood pumped per day, man. And that is a tiny little 10-ounce pump doing all that work. Yeah. That's 14,400 mini airline liquor bottles per day. Wow. Is it really? It actually, like, that means more to me than 1,900 gallons. That's a lot. Not because I'm like, oh, I love drinking. Right. Like, that is a lot of blood that just moves through your body every day. And bear in mind, everyone, you don't have 14,400 mini liquor bottles worth of blood in you. It just gets circulated that often. Right. Exactly. Good point. Yeah. That was for the three-year-olds. I think everybody else already knew that and it kind of went without saying. So, how does this thing beat? I think most people probably know in a very basic way that it's electrical impulses that cause the heart to beat. Mm-hmm. But more specifically, it's a group of cells that have the really uncanny ability to generate that activity by themselves. Really super cool. You know how, like, when you put salt on a dead frog's legs and they, like, twitch? I didn't know that, actually. Oh, you didn't? It's like, it's like, you should go online and check it out. It's very weird. But what's happening is you just added an electrolyte, which is an essentially an electricity-bearing element, onto a muscle and muscle tissue responds to electricity-bearing elements and with the heart specifically, you've got what are called pacemaker cells that are located in what are called nodes, where basically they take in those electrolytes that you hear about with hydration and all that. Sodium, potassium, calcium, chlorine, magnesium. And these pacemaker cells in the nodes are able to take those elements and strip them into charged iron ions, which they shoot at the heart and this electrical activity just cascades over the heart and that causes the muscle tissue to contract and then release once the electrical impulse has passed over it. That is incredible. And you're also saying that this whole electrolyte thing isn't a big scam. No. It really isn't. Because if you're just drinking water and it's just water and you're hydrating like that, I mean, it helps. You actually do need water plenty, but there comes a point in time where you're actually diluting your blood and you need those electrolytes to balance that out. So I think we're probably being oversold electrolytes because I don't remember having any problems with it until 2022 when they started advertising it. But you do need electrolytes for sure. Yeah. I've mentioned that survival show alone that I watch and you're allowed to bring a certain amount of things with you of your own choosing. Mm-hmm. That are obviously approved. And occasionally, I feel like once every two seasons or so, somebody brings a block of salt. Oh, yeah. A whole block? Jeez. Yep. Brings a block of salt and for two reasons. One, to help provide electrolytes when they're like obviously getting like super dehydrated out there in the wild. But the other kind of obvious more fun reason is to give a little bit of flavor to some of that garbage that they have to eat. Yeah. I'll bet. It's not a bad idea, though. I don't think. Like the salt block. No, not at all. I know deer like to lick salt blocks. So I was wondering if anyone ever brought it to like attract a deer that they killed and ate. I have not seen that. I think the salt is too valuable to like chunk it off and just leave out there for anyone to have. Gotcha. Yeah. That'd be my guess. But yeah. So they're hydrating with electrolytes then. At least with sodium. Totally. So what's also nuts about this is that this electrical cascade is produced more than once per second. I think your heart beats in less than a second every time. It's like 0.8 seconds total where the whole thing goes through its jam. Yeah. I mean, if it's 72 times a minute, even Josh Math like figures can figure that out. That had not dawned on me until just now. Yeah. So that electrical impulse travels to the right and left atria first and they contract together. And that's what takes that 0.04 seconds. And then there's a little bit of a delay because those ventricles have to fill back up with the blood, with the good stuff. And then that electrical impulse then goes to the right and left ventricle. They contract at the same time. And that's it. If you have issues with this electrical impulse, like getting it right and timing it right, then you're going to need a pacemaker. We'll talk about artificial pacemakers soon. But your body has it's a natural pacemaker basically. Any of that electrical tissue in the heart can be a pacemaker. But the one you really want working is the main one, which is the sinoatrial node. And that's the real pacemaker. And if that one doesn't work quite right, then other ones can step up and do the job. Yeah, but it's not ideal. You want your sinoatrial node functioning correctly, like you said. But in lieu of it, there's other ones like the arterioventricular node, which usually receives electrical impulses from the sinoatrial node. But if the SA is not able to do it, the AN can step up and be like, I'll see what I can do. The pulse, though, is weaker, and it's not as rhythmic, I guess, as when it's working properly. But you're happy that the atrioventricular node is doing its thing, because if not, you drop dead. Yeah, that's right. But that's what can produce a arrhythmia, right, which is an irregular heartbeat. Yes, that's one of the things that can do it for sure. If your sinoatrial node is not working, yes, you have an irregular heartbeat for sure. What did your doctor say, since you were in, like, your heart was in great shape, what the heart flutters were? Because I used to get those occasionally, too. He said that it was nothing. He said it was literally nothing. It just happens sometimes, and it doesn't mean anything. He said it doesn't have anything to do with anything. It just happens. It's not a sign of something that's wrong with you or something coming down the road. He said it's just nothing. - And then he farted and put a cigarette in his mouth. out and kicked you out the front door. Took a shot of scotch first. All right. Well, that's good to know because that has happened to me occasionally, too. And it's a little disconcerting when you have like your heart to like race for a couple of seconds. You're like, what the heck was that? Yeah. I mean, it definitely is very unnerving. So I'm glad it drove me to the to go get a workup because it was nice to hear. I'm all right. That's good. So there, you know, those pacemaker cells are the one that that do the money work. But other nerves can change the rate that those cells fire, how maybe how strong that heart is going to be contracting. And those are all part of the autonomic nervous system. Yeah. Our old friend fight or flight is essentially what the reason why your heart starts pounding when you're in fight or flight mode is because your sympathetic nervous system has talked to your sinoatrial node and said, hey, man, step it up. We want more heartbeats and we want stronger contractions than ever before because this guy's about. We want to have to run because there's jungle cat coming. Don't ask me how, because I realize we're in Georgia, but there's a jungle cat coming. Totally. And those all that activity is going to produce an electrical wave. And when you go to get a EKG, an electrocardiogram, that is what it's measuring. Like those are the electrical waves that the EKG can spit out on that piece of paper. Yes. The first wave is called the P wave. And like this is this is when you're looking at an EKG and it goes like the. I just go up and down really quick. There's like it's not just chaotic like it looks to me like one of those is called the P wave. This is when the electrical activity spreads over the atria and they contract. The QRS complex is where the electrical activity spreads over the ventricles. And then when the ventricles relax, that produces on the EKG T wave. That's right. And if your doctor ever goes to look at your EKG and then goes, huh, and then turns it upside down and then looks at it, then you should fart and put out your cigarette and run out of his office. Yeah. Maybe get a second opinion. All right. Yeah. Let's let everybody hear us try to sell them something. All right. We'll be right back. Learning stuff with Joshua and Charles. Stuff you should know. Might be something simple like a tool for a task your team does every week. You want the steps, useful links and everyone's progress in one place. Your build comes headache free with built in login, data storage, backend and hosting. Hey, everybody. And this time of year, Quint makes finding something great for everyone else just as easy. 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And as miraculous and amazing and actually kind of hashtag basic as the heart is, it can get messed up, as you know. And one of the chief ways that it gets messed up is from us messing it up with the stuff that we eat. Because cholesterol, fat. Lipids, even, can get caught up in your arteries. And when they get caught up, they kind of hang in there and they build up what's called plaque. And then the, I guess, condition where your arteries are clogged with plaque is called arteriosclerosis. And that is an early part of heart disease. Yeah, so if you have a partial blockage in a coronary artery, you're just obviously not going to get enough supply of blood. This is something you might notice when you exert yourself. So you might feel like a chest pain or something like that. That's because you have a literal lack of blood and oxygen to that part of the heart muscle right there. And that's called angina. And it's no good. No, it isn't. I don't think I've ever heard the words chest pain without thinking of that guy on the Life Alert ad going, I'm having chest pain. Remember him? Classic. He was second in fame only to the lady who came after him. And we said, I've fallen. And I can't get up. Same ad. What if those were your grandparents? Like the actors were? Yeah, yeah. Like they happened to be a married couple and they booked them together because it was just easy. And those were your literal grandparents. I'd probably tell a lot of people. That'd be so much fun. Do it again, Grandma. Or she does that and we're like, oh, you're the funniest. And she's like, really fallen and can't get up. Yeah, no, really help. Yeah. That'd be a great outgoing voicemail message. Yeah. If your grandma, if that was your grandma. If that was your grandma. Totally. Josh can't come to the phone now because he's fallen and can't get up. Angina is where we left off, I think. Yes. So you've got angina, which can actually get worse. The more angina you have, you can have unstable angina. When the coronary artery is completely blocked, I'm guessing any one of them can really do this to you. You're getting starved of blood and oxygen in your heart muscle. It needs both of those. Because the heart doesn't just pump blood. It uses blood too, right? It says it'll take a little for me as well. You got more angina. You can actually have a heart attack from that. And I know you found some good information about the difference between like heart attack and cardiac arrest and all that stuff. And I say you lay it on everybody, Chuck. Yeah. You know, I knew there was a difference because I think a lot of people use heart attack, heart failure and cardiac arrest kind of interchangeably. But they're not. They're not the same thing. So what is it again? Oh, OK. I'll lay it on them. So a heart attack is a circulation problem because blood flow to part of the heart is blocked. You're having a heart attack. Cardiac arrest. I thought that was the exact same. That's an electrical malfunction where the heart just suddenly stops beating. And then heart failure is actually a chronic condition where the heart muscle is just too weak or it's too stiff from things like heart attacks. It stiffens almost scars after those to effectively pump the blood. So there you have it. You'll never have to have anybody explain it to you again. Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, cardiac arrest is the one that's more dangerous. Like if you see a TV show or movie or God forbid, if this has happened to someone in your life and someone's like, oh, I'm having a heart attack. And like they die a couple of minutes later. I think that's usually cardiac arrest. Whereas a heart attack is like, hey, I'm having a heart attack. And like I need to get into the car now and drive to the hospital. And that can happen. OK. Gotcha. So. So you're saying cardiac arrest is deadlier than a heart attack. Yeah. Because people are misusing terms. I think so. Because I think cardiac arrest is the one that like where you can be dead minutes later. Well, one of the best things you can do in your entire life is to correct someone who's dying. Right. Heart attack or cardiac arrest as they're going down. Actually. Oh, boy. So let's move on to atrial fibrillation. This one is a big one. a big one to me because like I said, my dad has it. And I remember hearing he had, It's called AFib for those of us in the know. I was like, oh, my God, that sounds awful. Apparently, it's not. There's not actually a problem with AFib in and of itself. It's just a type of arrhythmia where the heart just doesn't follow. It beats to it moves to the beat of its own drum, not the standard one. And there's nothing wrong with having AFib, but AFib can lay the groundwork for all sorts of other heart problems. That's the problem with AFib. Yeah, like you may not show any symptoms. They may or you may get symptoms later. You may not know you have AFib at all for like a very, very long time. And like you said, it's, you know, it will increase the risk of maybe heart failure or stroke. Because it's, you know, basically because it's marching to the beat of its own drummer. It's circulating your blood in a way that's different. So if it's so different that thrombosis or like blood clotting can occur, that that's a good thing. Yeah. Could happen. And a blood clot can break off and block like a brain artery. And that's where a stroke comes from. Yeah, that's good for sure. So, yeah, you want to steer clear of AFib. You want to screen for it, too, especially if it's in your family. Yeah. And then there's congenital heart disease, which simply means that you have a heart condition that you were born with. I think the most common it's the most common type of birth defect. And I think one of the most common types of congenital. Heart disease is holes in the heart, septal defects. I didn't see if they actually are the most common, but that's the one I've always heard the most. So I guess anecdotally speaking, it's the most common. Yeah. So if you have a brand new baby and they say that they have were born with congenital heart disease, they need to change that name up a little bit or hopefully they break it to you in a different way. Sure. Then just like laying that down because it can be no big deal at all. Sometimes there's just. There's just no treatment required at all. Right. If you do have a heart condition, especially if your heart's just not quite beating in a rhythm, that's that's making it work as efficiently as possible. There's all sorts of stuff you can do. There's medications. Well, there's medications. There's also pacemakers, which have really come a long way. I think the first pacemaker implant was in 1958. And now it's I don't want to say routine, but it's they they save a lot. A lot of lives. It's pretty routine, I think. Yeah. Like I know several people in my life that have pacemakers. They are literal electronic devices that keep your heart beating like it should or prevent it rather, I guess, from beating abnormally. And it's a it's a battery. It's got some computer circuitry. It's a little piece of metal. And they implant that inside of your body in the upper chest, like kind of near your shoulder. Yeah. And then the wires go through your vein, I think, from your leg into your heart. And there's different ones depending on what they're working on. There's single chamber where for some reason it's specific to parts of the heart. So like a single chamber pacemaker works, helps the right ventricle do its thing. So it's pumping blood out to the lungs. But like you wouldn't put that in like the left ventricle for some reason. I could not find why it's so specific. Yeah. And this is the point where we. We need to just take our hats off and salute humanity. Sure. In this case, a guy named Wilson Greatbotch, who is basically recognized as the as the dude who invented the first pacemaker. And and, you know, I'm sure Wilson had a team of great people that are always undersung. So it's amazing that people are like, hey, if your heart doesn't beat right, maybe we can put a little thing in your body that's that's like that lives inside of you successfully. Yeah. I mean, those so it just basically if you're say your sinoatrial node isn't just isn't producing electricity like it's supposed to. This thing does. It goes, oh, here, I'll stand in for you. So, yeah, it's pretty, pretty amazing stuff for sure. And it depends on what your heart's doing that the type of pacemaker is inserted. But we won't necessarily get into that. If you need a pacemaker, I'm pretty sure your doctor can tell you everything you need. You don't need it. From us. And that's a good point. But let's say you have a pacemaker and you're like, I've got five to 15 years of battery life. That's what that's how pacemakers break down. They just drain their battery after a while. Yeah. I'm looking for the pacemaker that gathers. It's recharged by motion. You know, there's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Where, like, you can dance and you're actually lighting up the dance floor. Why can't you do that with a pacemaker battery? It seems like it seems like something you could do. Eventually. I could see them working on something like that. At least give me the 15 year version. Sure. Because every time it's triggered, you know, it's not necessarily running full time. It's triggered to run when you need it, depending on the kind. And it's going to drain that battery a little bit, like you said. So, you know, you can get a temporary pacemaker while you're recovering for a heart attack, maybe to speed up your heart rate. That's not implanted. That's just like, hey, you got out of surgery. So we're going to. Just keep you on the right track for now with this thing. Yes. I want to say, like, the next step up is the artificial heart. But it feels like that's many, many steps above a pacemaker in severity, inventiveness, all that stuff. But essentially what an artificial heart is, it steps in when your ventricles are no longer capable of pumping blood well enough to get it to your lungs or through the rest of your circulatory system. So what they do is they go in and. Cut out your ventricles. And they put in an artificial heart, which is basically those two new artificial ventricles to do that job for you. And what you do, you have like wires coming out of your body and they're connected to an outside driver. And this in and of itself is just amazing because up until, I guess, I don't remember when the first. Yeah, the first one took place in 1982. Up to that, if you needed a heart, you were on a heart transplant. And there's not nearly enough heart donors to to meet the supply needed. So a lot of people died waiting for a heart transplant. The artificial heart's meant to step in and say, hey, how about we use this to keep you alive until you can get that donor heart? That's that's what the artificial heart is as it stands. What they're working toward is what's called a total artificial heart, which is exactly what it sounds like rather than getting a donor's heart. Someone else's heart put into your chest. You would get this total artificial heart put into your chest and that's all you'd ever need. It's like a artificial donor heart. Yeah, it's incredible looking. I remember when I was a kid. I mean, this the first one was in 1982. Like you said, I was 11. And when I saw the name, the patient's name, Dr. Barney Clark, it was like, oh, boom. Yeah, that was him. Like it was such a big deal in the news. Like even a little 11 year old that like normally wouldn't care about this kind of thing. It's like implanted in my brain. And a guy, a doctor named William Devery's implanted the Jarvik seven. And that was the first like successful design. And, you know, it looks like a heart. Sadly, Barney Clark only lived for about one hundred and twelve days. And as you might expect, it was like complications from like the wires and stuff. Like it wasn't the artificial heart itself failed. It was just complications from the surrounding things it's connected to. I think four other people got Jarvik seven implants and at least one of them did die because the the machine wasn't working correctly. And I saw really that those those wires that were coming out of you that's connected to the thing that's powering all of it. The original Jarvik seven, that power unit was the size and weight of a of a full size refrigerator. Oh, my God. So if you had an artificial heart, you weren't leaving the hospital anytime soon. And I don't think anybody who had a Jarvik seven. But I did see. Did you see the story of Leif Stenberg? No. So Leif Stenberg was one of the recipients of the Jarvik seven. And I guess they found out after they implanted it that he was actually a Swedish crime boss. And he got an artificial heart and lived for two hundred and twelve days. And during that time, his lawyers argued that he could not be tried for crimes that he was facing. And they argued it because. Under Swedish law, you die once your heart stops beating. And they're like, yeah, I'd already stopped beating. He's got an artificial one. So therefore, he's legally dead and can't face prostitution. That's right. Isn't that nuts? I read that over when you sent it. That that's that's some legal trickery. It is from our Swedish friends. You know, obviously, the first idea would be like, hey, let's make something that looks and like acts and behaves just like a heart, because that seems like the most logical thing to do. Sure. But as time goes on, as with most things, people come along and say, maybe it should be like simpler. Maybe we can design a streamlined thing that doesn't need to have like doesn't need to like behave exactly like your traditional heart. And that's what they're doing. That's the stuff they're working on now, where it's like a continuous flow with a couple of chambers. So like it has a rotor that moves blood constantly instead of like relying on this thing to pump like an actual heart. And it makes just. Less moving parts, more simplified. It makes a lot more sense, I think. - Totally. way more stripped down, way, way less parts. So yeah, the idea of wear and tear is much different than what it is with all the other artificial heart designs. So yeah, pretty nice. Yeah. I mean, this, this I was reading about and people were like, this may be the one that total artificial heart that if you go in and you need a heart, they ordered this from the supplier and the supplier sent it to them. And now they're going to put it in your chest and you're going to live X number of years walking around with a, not attached to a fridge. Yeah. And they say, you're the first person. And you go, oh, great. I know. Remember we talked about test pilots or test aircraft and it was in the Hindenburg episode, I think, where it was like, when you're in the double digits of the test aircraft, you do not want to do that. You want to wait until at least double or triple digits. Same with an artificial heart. Yeah. Agreed. And you know, the last thing I just want to say as far as the PSA is I feel like heart issues are way more male focused. Uh, you tend to think of like men having a heart attack and men needing this kind of stuff and men having cardiac arrest, but, uh, that's, that's does a disservice to the fact that, um, plenty of women need this help and care and screenings as well. So, uh, we're, we're talking to everyone here. Yep. Good job, man. That was great. Yeah. Uh, well, that's it for heart for now. Um, sorry to this point, Jerry, who very excitedly said the band, when we told her what we were recording, uh, and, uh, since I just said we disappointed Jerry, that means that we've unlocked listener mail. Yeah, this is a quick correction of sorts and the short stuff about flappers. You guys, Josh mentioned Clara bow was the first it girl. Clara bow was in the film. It not the horror film, obviously, and may have been referred to as an it girl, but I believe the very first it girl, as you guys were talking about was Evelyn Nesbitt. Okay. Just throwing that out there. Thanks for the great shows. That is from Dave twists in Massachusetts. Very nice. Thanks a lot, Dave. Um, yeah, I probably would have guessed Clara bow after that. And my God, I would have gotten it wrong again. Well, according to this guy. So if you want to be like Dave and tell us something, some fact or correction that may or may not be true, we would love to hear that. 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