Axell Hodges on Overcoming Injuries, Chasing Worlds Firsts & Getting Evan Back on Top

All those kids that are saying Evan fell off on TikTok. I'd like to see them do anything that Evan has done on a cross rocket. Dirt bikers will talk crap on a quad, but it's like, dude, I love riding clouds. That's why I just like riding bikes. I just love doing those really, really. So effortless, so easy. My dad was pinned in the thorn, but he was freaking out. He was free to save his life, like, I've jumped 396 feet successfully. Ever contemplating, like, maybe this isn't worth it. It took me a while to, like, want to have fun on my dirt bike again. How are you liking the cold? I already know how Gabby's liking the cold, but what are you thinking? I like the cold. I don't mind the cold. Yeah, you today was perfect riding. Yeah, it was. It was better than yesterday, like, I love wearing hoodie. So pretty season. Dude, same right now. It's perfect. Yeah, I was worried about the cold with you guys coming up. But in the sprinter van up here, and you're like, no, I actually like the cold. I was like, oh, this is my experience. Yeah, and I've experienced the real Minnesota cold before, so this isn't cold. Because you used to, you used to rip snow bikes. Yeah, when they did snow bikes, next games. Yeah, I was ripping those. So I'd go to ERX up and I forget what the town was in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah. First time I went through, yeah, I was negative 40. I had to flew and I was like, this is not really so. Trying to ride with the numb hands, holding on to that thing. Ben, you rode a snow bike at the ERX ones, didn't you? Yeah, I did. I crashed. I crashed. Yeah, I crashed too. I went over the bars, though. I came off the face and my bike ran out of gas. Made air, and I just like endowed. Did it hit you? I don't. No, I don't. I think I got out of the way, but we were doing a player shoot. And all they kept saying the entire time was, don't crash. Just like, don't do anything. You're not comfortable with don't crash before anything before you rode around a berm. Don't crash. Yeah, they were tweaking. They were just like super corporate, super tweaking. And I was like, oh, I'm definitely scared. You're like, no, something like the crash. All you're going to think about is crashing. Yeah, I was like, OK, well, I don't know if I'm the right guy, then. And how gnarly is this going to be? And they're like, well, we need you to get up there pretty high. And I'm like, dude, I'm not the guy for this. But OK, I'll do it. I'll do it. And then sure enough, I end up winding up. And they're like, oh, my gosh. Who is responsible for the fuel? Probably me. Probably. Yeah, I was probably-- I think nothing's right out of gas pretty quick, too, because you're in deep snow. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like you're burning through quicker than you think you are. Well, Axel Hodges, welcome on the podcast, brother. We're happy to have you here. Thank you, see boys. Thank you for having me. Great to have you, brother. Yeah, it's been a great past couple of two days. You're helping Evan get his mojo back on the bike, kind of shone in the way. I think we found it. Yeah, you definitely found it. You got it back. Yeah, I don't know if you fully lost it. He came out, he was grease and jumps. He looked good to me. Yeah, a couple of cobwebs. Yeah, just needed some confidence back. No, dude, me and CJ were saying that, too. We were like, Evan's going to do one lap. And Axel's going to be like, what am I out here? Yeah, you're like thinking this guy and I are like, hit a jump at all. Or anything. Yeah, I see him do wheelies on the internet stuff. I haven't seen him hit jumps. But he started jumping. He seemed like he's in control. He's not. Yeah. Not squarely looking so. Yeah, I think the tiktok commenters and all the haters maybe got a little carried away with Evan fell off train. Might have got blown out of proportion a little bit. But I hit up our boy, Rich, before Rich got too big time to text me back. And Rich is boys with Axel and I was like, yo, can you link me with Axel? I want Axel to come back and take Evan on and be his mentor to get his mojo back. And so Rich lined us up. And yeah, I appreciate you for coming out here. And the one question that you did ask Axel was, how's the weather been? Is it going to be pretty nice? And I just, I don't know if you noticed, but I didn't answer that question. I just like texted you back to whatever your next question was. I was like, dude, I don't want to be honest with him, but it's, it's, it sucks. It sucks. Yeah, dude, at least it's not mid-winter, negative 40s. Yeah, it could always be worth 40. It could always be worth your, your wife was not loving it, but yeah, she, I was laughing. She was filming and she's like, my fingers are so cool. She took the gloves off. I gave her the red. She has them in my exhaust pipe, trying to warm up up. Yeah, like you good. She's like, yeah, yeah, but we appreciate you coming up, brother. We've been, we've been fans for a long time. Yeah, I've actually, I went to like message you guys last night. I tagged you guys in a post on my Instagram. I saw you guys text me in 2017. I kind of felt like an A-hole, I didn't reply, but you baked time. What were we saying? What were we saying? I know, I think I honestly didn't see it, but I think it was when I was at ERX, doing the snow bike stuff. You guys are like, yo, we're a group of seven guys, are we like right? And you guys want to come ride? I would tag you in the story last night. I saw that popped up in my DM and I'm like, no way. These guys hit me up so long ago. So, yeah, I'm glad it worked out. It's funny, because now, you know, we get messages like that too of people being like, yo, we have a track. We like to ride. You guys like to ride. You should come and hang out when we're traveling and whatnot. And we don't see them. There's a lot of messages, right? So it does get kind of lost in it. But yeah, I always wondered like, man, I think we're probably going to be friends one day. And I wonder if he's ever going to see that message. Yeah. So when you said that this morning, I was laughing. Then you guys haven't even had like a backed up message or some arrows pointed. We doubled down. It's cool, though, having you here, because you're definitely like an inspiration behind just what we're doing here. I mean, we've been watching you for a long time and I remember that your first X games and everything just watching that on TV and it was cool to see you go from Instagram to X games and all that. I mean, also, like, blowing up our spot here of being fans. I went and found this video from X Games in 2018. You found it, dude. And let's go. You should have really saved yourself. You should have saved as well because the X Games was in Minnesota. And we were all at one quarter pipe in 2018. And we were all just very, very, very excited about you at the time, really. That in particular. Dude, yeah, I just, I just loved you, bro. I still do. But here's a video. Yo. Axel. Axel. Axel. I love you, dude. It was one of us, I was, I did the interview thing. Yep. Dude, that's crazy. Remember that? Yeah. I love you. I got to remember that a little bit. Yeah. I remember that. I remember he's like, that's it. Yeah. That's pretty funny. But I remember on the way home, Ben goes, bro, Axel should come and ride with us. I remember at the time being like, what the fuck is he going to do riding? We were just riding around in the ditch and I remember, I mean, Ben's always had big jeans. I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that one. But yeah, that was a little far. I didn't like it. Yeah. The most fun ride in the driveway. There's no doubt about that. Dude, it's amazing how there could be like a twig on the road and you'll just like bump off that into like a nose wheelie. Yeah. Well, yeah, I just grew up riding my backyard and like having logs and boulders and stuff like that. There's time to do nose wheelies and trying to find way to like get traction on your front wheel. That's why you need those bumps and stuff sometimes when you're on concrete or else you're just going to wash out. So bro, you spent riding in the backyard doing that. You spent more time on your front wheel than you did on your rear wheel and on both your wheels. Yeah, normally I like to nose wheelie so much everywhere and then the wheelie to can can to nose wheelie was the craziest one. I don't I think I did wheelie can to seat stand. Okay. All right. All right. It's hard to keep him off straight. I did wheelie to nose wheelie on the double. I should have added a. No. But double was insane. You're like, I think I might be able to do this and then obviously do it perfect first try. But that was so heavy. Well, it helps too. I was just writing a little bit yesterday and when the dirt's such good traction, it makes it so much easier to hook up and get nose wheelies and that's why you just make it look. I just love doing nose wheelies and so effortless. So it make you make it look like it's something very hard and it's like, man, maybe I could do that. Like it just goes perfectly every time like it's just so smooth. Where do you begin to ride like this like at like when did you start riding? Can you kind of run us through? I guess like probably like my backyard like so when I was five, I broke my femur right in the PW 50, so I didn't grow up racing like all the other kids that are racing dirt bikes and stuff. So my sister bought a 110. So I would just ride her 110 like every day in the backyard trying to do wheelies up the hills and just I had a lot of friends that skate board and snowboard and ride BMX. So my friends were so good at skating doing like kick flip back tails and stuff. So I'm in my backyard on my 110 trying to do like a little whip land wheelie and like that's how I like express myself right in a dirt bike is from a lot of like snowboard and skateboard inspiration. Yeah, that's what it's looking at. That's the background. Yeah. And then my brother he grew up competing in snowboarding. They always had like the VX 1000 and like we're filming skateboarding and stuff. So I like wanted to be like them and started just like film and stuff and wanted to make cool videos. So it was always just trying to link together lines and film with the fish eye and do like stuff like that. Yeah. I guess you ride a dirt bike like somebody rides a skateboard that's really good at riding skateboard. You know, you have like that steamy style to it where it's like a line. And you're just hitting these lines that combo you like I don't know, like don't don't exist. You wouldn't see the line until you hit it and you're like, Oh, wow, I guess that works right there. It's like you're like riding things that almost like it's not a traditional like jump. I get bored doing the same thing over and over again. So then I'm always just kind of think I have ADHD like when I'm riding my dirt bike. So I just a little wander off and go try to ride stuff like I remember growing up at the track. I'd be in the parking lot like bouncing off boulders and stuff trying to do wheelies and stuff. What has been the best part about watching you still is is that you're taking dirt biking that's been around forever. Everyone's doing it their own way and doing it essentially different than anyone else ever has. You know, pushing a new boundary. That's cool too. And then seeing like a lot of kids, they're all doing like landing wheelies and stuff and then just like even little kids on stage six now, they're on their 1080 ramps and they're landing wheelies like on their seat. [BLANK_AUDIO] That's pretty rad and they'll be tagging me wearing Lil Sleiko helmets and like that makes me happy in little kids and that's how I was grew up I wanted to be Jeremy McGrath I wanted to be an eight times super crossed champion just so there'd be so I could be King But then still get to ride my dirt bike and like influence kids like that So it's a pretty rewarding feeling like knowing I'm doing something that Kids want to be liked and they're trying to do too. Yeah, it's all relatable like Trouble backflip but I land wheelies and then I see all kids at the track trying to land wheelies on table tops and stuff and it's pretty cool to see it rub off on other people and that is like the best way to describe it is your style Made it more relatable for these kids to watch it and be like you versus these kids are not gonna be doing Backflips double backflips triple backflips all like the gnarly of them like a small percentage Yeah, maybe maybe 0.001 percent of them, but like or there was the time where it was like I want to ride dirt bikes Okay, let's get you in some races, and then you're like, I don't really want to do that either and that's kind of it was a little bit your story too And I'm just still get still my job too and I enjoy it. It doesn't feel like a job I still go out and just have fun and film it And there's just another day riding but then also I could classify as my work and it's just fun And I always try to like do something new every time I ride too because that's I get bored I don't want to do the same thing over and over again I like just messing around and sometimes I get lucky and do something on accident I'm like, oh, that could be a trick the amount of times in you know in our friend group And I'm sure many others. Oh, did you see the new Axe clip? Did you see what he pulled off now? I mean What feels like hundreds of times? Yeah, thanks like in one of my like last video I did a redman's - I did like a Superman like over this jump in my back kind of tap I'm like I get fully Superman wheel tap and then catch it and then one time I was trying to do Superman wheel tap And just bonk it back to my feet and then one time it bonk back to my feet and I like endowed almost went over the bars I'm like oh, I can fully catch that nose really so by like Messing up sometimes it like kind of shows me that it like what could actually be done So like by going over the bars I could be like oh, I could actually just hit my front brake and keep it in a nose really And then I did make sense X games Real Moto years ago. I did a With nose wheelie front flip and I got inspired by that because when I was racing in 2014 I was doing Daytona amateur supercross and I fully came over this like Dragons back endowed off the top of it and pretty much did a front flip to my back Completely wide it exploded my brains out and then later down the road I'm like dude if I stayed tucked and like on that crash Maybe I just put a front flipped and landed it so then I'm like so it's got to work So then we get the airbags out and put it in the time and so you turn the crash into a trick Like if we back up a little you initially got hurt as a young kid and you were saying like your mom basically said no more dirt bikes Yeah, when I was five I broke my femur Pretty bad like I got ahead on collision and this guy's foot peg went into my leg It was compound fracture almost like got my main artery in my leg Should almost been dead and after that my mom So over dirt bikes, but then my sister had to just got a quad around the same time like a little 90 quad and like She ended up having a seller quad and stuff because she was so over dirt bikes and stuff and then We eventually just got like a family 110 that was supposed to be my sisters And then I just started riding that thing every damn day in the backyard and Pretty much became my 110 and just rode that thing for years and then in fifth grade I finally convinced my dad to get me a 150 F or 150 R the racer Honda. Yeah, those were like and I had those So guys had those so it's like the Four stroke 85 version and I remember being a little kind of like oh my god. This is like a little 450 It is when you're that small though. Yeah, it was like a 450 like you know so sick and new like is that what you were on when you Like you're you're saying that the gym mom was like oh actually was doing pretty good racing, but your mom didn't know Yeah, so like my dad bought me that bike and we hit it in the barn for a while my mom didn't know we bought it My dad would still ride with all of his buddies like would go to the star west was a track called every Wednesday night after school And I was just going to watch my dad and then I slowly started riding the track and got pretty decent And then I just did like a local race at Paula raceway which was 30 minutes from my house and my mom kind of knew by this point I was riding but she didn't know I was racing and then we signed up for a race and they had like a 150 class there I think I won that weekend and I was pretty good at Paula because I just rode that track every day and I did good I won this race this weekend and this gym mom went to the gym and saw my mom She's like whoa actually did pretty good this weekend. I didn't know he was that fast and my mom was like what he's racing and I kind of broke The ice on the racing I think I was like 13 then just kind of doing local races and then from there I started racing a little bit. I got a 250 and then started doing the novice class because I never really Raced dirt bikes growing up. No like six and I've had a 65 didn't have an 80 had my 150 right after school for fun And then start getting faster and faster god on my 250 start doing novice class and start doing some amateur nationals Did all right. I went to like my first amateur national was Oak Hill in Texas. I was 14 And I think I got like a fourth that year and 250 C class did a couple others did all right in the C class And then the next year we went all in and did all the amateur nationals and went to like world many Oak Hill. I think I want some titles throughout like my C class at some of those nationals And then I ended up winning 250 C stock at loretta's that year So I got a C class loretta lens title and then just from there I just thought I was going to be hardcore racer guy and went B class did all right in B class got a couple like California national titles And then got second in 450 B at loretta's the following year and I'm stoked on that air and passenger beat me on that so If anyone was going to beat me, I'm glad I was AP. Yeah, I'm a huge AP guy. So yeah, I love that guy He did what my ass, but I got second behind him in one mud. Oh, and I remember we're going through the 10 commandments We're the only one we're going outside. We're going triple triple quad through the 10 commandments And that's pretty bad ass. I was doing that with that guy. So yeah, I was gonna say who else was racing with you that's still racing like in the 450 class now RJ Hamshire like I race RJ a little bit I was B class when he was eight class and then I was doing like arena cross at the same time I went eight class, but then I broke my femur again as I went into eight class switch to Kawasaki's Then I broke my wrist I had an early concussion and then eight class like I never really clicked or did good and I was trying to do arena cross So like in my age, there's like Jordan Smith RJ Hamshire Well, it's like Aaron Pleisinger forkner was racing. He was a little younger than me I never race forkner, but he was kind of at the track when I was there and So when you make out I was like 10 years ago now racing. It's hard to remember everyone that was racing Were you making money at that stage like were you starting to see like oh, I could do this long? Not racing not racing. They weren't paying out No, and I wasn't doing good enough aches I'm sure if I was doing good like I could have made some money But I was getting my ass kicked in the eight class. So I was probably in like beat class and stuff making small contingency money Like on my debit card. I had my Honda card, but it was not anything crazy So then at what point were you like all right? I'm gonna be done with the racing and go more with the freestyle free riding After Loretta's one year they had monster cup at the time I was like the big monster energy cup in Vegas, and they had the amateur all-star class there Which I was racing that on my 250, but in the parking lot they had a best whip contest And that was also like best whip, but then if you did good there I think top three got invited X games from that in the best whip. So I was racing I got my ass kicked in the race I was miserable not having fun. My dad was pissed at me, but in the parking lot I got second the best whip contest Then I got invited X games. I made money and I'm like that was so much more fun and enjoyable and just sick And then I got invited X games out so it got me into X games and then Ever since then I never erased my dirt bike again and started doing the best whip and Free riding and just do everything I do now in video parts. You are a parking lot guy I'm parking lot You're always ripping the parking lot drive away parking lot I never really thought about that. He had the best whip in the parking lot Yeah, I went inside, raced, sucked, but then I had a good time in the parking lot Yeah, I made some money in the parking lot. I'm like I'm doing this That is hilarious Second place, first competition, like it's so good Like did you do you have like buddies that are like you you can whip axel like you should join the contest or where you just like I could whip I'm gonna join I was started hitting ramps at the time. I was kind of like friends with like twitch and guys like that Tyler beerman. I always looked at the Tyler beerman was a little bit older than me And he was always doing the free riding stuff And I wanted to be like him doing big jumps. I just thought that was sick He was doing big jumps big whips and then yeah, I just always kind of like that stuff the freestyle stuff And my brothers they grew up watching crusty demons of the dirt and in the 90s And they're just all about Seth Enzo and kind of that type of style And I always thought the riding freestyle stuff was cool too And even like jamming or gath back in the day I grew up down the road from him. He was kind of just like a childhood friend growing up And I always just watched him and all the stuff he did, which he was a racer But he had such good style and had all his videos too And like he's the first guy I saw landing in a wheelie and stuff like that So I just always thought that stuff was cool. The video part riding and the freestyle and wanted to be kind of like those guys And they're like twitch and Josh Hanson. They were doing like best whip at the time And doing big whips and doing the turn up whips So then I started doing whips like that too and just kind of all from there And just always try to just have my style Yeah, the stoke was there immediately From you and I just like hitting some doing whips. There's always fun to me It's cool that Callie has so many riders Like around here. It's obviously tough with the seasons And we have less tracks and stuff like that But that we don't have anybody that had any talent around us which is maybe Maybe like you mean to our friends who haven't talent But you can take like leave out of the valley for example Like kind of like an anomaly for the area Yeah, exactly Some dude that lives in small time in a soda that's like, I'm gonna do easy freestyle. - Yeah, Minnesota doesn't breed action sports. - Ryan, don't you? - Where's Ryan Dungee from in Minnesota? - Really, yeah, yeah. - Don't stop. - Actually, I don't know. - Yeah, but I bet when he was racing, he was more evolved into like California. - Yeah, I brought training down there. And yeah, it's like the 951 in California, the Moda Mecca, that's where all the test tracks are. But now there's a lot of riding in Florida. And I say like, for racing, Florida's kind of the spot to be because if you're doing outdoors and you want to be trading in that humidity and that deep dirt and that's what it was kind of hard to when I was racing too, just riding the California tracks and then you go to Loretta's and you're like, holy shit, what are these rats? Like I always did better than that after noon Modo's there, where it was more like dry and hard pack, more like a California track. And like, I remember the morning Modo's on like, shit, it's gonna be muddy. I suck at point, tear off, like ruts for days on the track. So it's gonna be over there and that stuff training and that stuff, especially in the heat and humidity. Yeah, training for Modo Racing is like militant. Like they're going. Dude, yeah, racing a dirt bike and that weather is the nirliest thing ever. It's like, Jack and guys like that, they make it look easy but that stuff is not easy. Yeah, how glad are you to not be racing Modo? Like it would be cool, but I do enjoy it a lot more doing what I do. Like I'm not the guy that likes to go Modo all day then I gotta go get on my spin bike and go ride mountain bikes. And then I like eating like California burritos and stuff like that. I don't wanna be even spinnets for every meal and I don't know. Yeah. It is like, it takes a certain type of person to put in that work and be that nirly on a dirt bike and it always takes a certain type of person to hit the jumps that you're hitting at. Yeah, everyone's a little wired different and it's just kind of what you enjoy in life and the free riding and the big jumps is kind of tracks me more like that. It's fun to me. Where do you even begin to hit these jumps that you got at sleigh ground, at your compound? 'Cause I mean, do you even have any friends that come over and hit these things? Like they're fucking faster. Couple of friends that come over, but not everybody has hit all the big jumps that has. Yeah, I don't know. They're big but then some of them too. They're like turning, there's bushes. Like that's what's scary about them too. I'll have like 130 foot double but then it's kinda hipped out and you can't go deep or else you're gonna land in a wall with like boulders in it. It's pretty tech. It's like BMX trails on steroids for a dirt bike. So how much? The biggest one. The biggest one is that like the big step up I have that I ride a lot. That's probably, it's the biggest one but for me now I've hit it so many times. I just have room to go deep on it. You could case it. It's a step up. So I'd say that's more one of the safer ones but then I have like 120 foot doubles and the bushes that skinny and it's like on a hillside and it's kind of slanted. So that's like the scary part and it's peaked out steep. Like you just had a video on your Instagram of you missing the landing and going to the bushes, right? Yeah, that was like, I had my track going for after slaying on three. It's a little bit different than that. We added more. It just like kind of made it a gnarly FMX like Moto track hybrid track I'd say. But then I reversed it and it was going on the hill. I had this like gnarly triple out of the corner. Like I said, it's like slanted down the hill but then it's narrow. So like you got to point it left a little bit to like land in the middle of it. But then I was doing it all day the day before. It was like a triple triple. The second triple is probably like 100 feet. Something like that 110 feet. But then it slanted on a hill like this and then it's just brush landings on the side with walls. And thanks to the county, they say, I can't clear anymore brush out. So we're trying to make do with the trail. We already like grade it out. So you got to think of the county that I got to keep it so gnarly and like go risk my life to hit these. But I came in and redid the lip the night before and I probably didn't pack it in the right way. So it was a little bit looser than it was the day before. And I came in and I just hit it and got a little wiggle off of it. And I would always lean a little bit left because it was slanted downhill. And I just got headshade kind of in the soft stuff. And it shot me left and I was just in the air. Yeah, they hit this 110 foot triple just fully. Yeah, I'm coming down in the bushes. And I think I ended up fraction my wrist on that one. Like slightly, but that was like a few months ago, but there's that clip on the internet where I fully land in the middle of it. So like how do you work up to hitting these jumps? So like say you build the jump. Like there's really no test hitting something like that. It just depends. Like if it's a double double, you just like, if it's like a true double where you can't really test jump it. Like I've had enough big jumps now to where I know like 120 is like usually in this throttle range and third gear with like and you just kind of get the feeling down just from muscle memory and hitting jumps like that. And you just got to kind of trust it. Sometimes you're like way off. And that's when you're the case in or over jumping it. But then I also have my suspension so stiffed and I know when if I am going to like mess up, I know I'm going to go deeper something. I know I'm going to have hard enough of suspension to race the impact and stuff like that. So I don't know. You just got to kind of trust your gut sometimes too. And that's the part of dirt bikes where the balls come in. That's why hitting a jump always for the first time is the scariest part. Yeah. You kind of know like I think I'll go that far, but you never know until you do it for the first time. And that's kind of the fun part sometimes though because it gets your adrenaline going. And like after you hit something for the first time, that's scary. I think God, I made that better more than less. I'd rather it depends a jump if the jump has a good deck on it. Sometimes it's better to go less. But if it's like a knuckle, I'd rather go far way over. And I've flat landed a lot of jumps. I know if I'm over jumping it, I'm landing pinned and I'm getting my inertia going forward. Just landing on the back landing off the gas and just taking it all. You could land on the gas and kind of exert the energy forward. Do you ever play your compound on like the newest latest? Yeah, when it came out in the beginning, but honestly, I'm at my property so much. I don't really have that much time to come home and play video games now, especially trying to make YouTube videos and stuff like that. I come home and then it's like, shit, now I got to go through that whole day and edit it. And it's like, that takes longer than filming it. So it's like, I wish I could sit there and play video games. Yeah, it's kind of been a shrimp folder. I don't have that much time. It's got to be crazy like your compound. I'm worse in the game riding my compound than I am in real life. I'm like, this is way harder doing it in the game. What does that look like when they hit you up? I think they messaged me on Instagram. This was a little while ago. They got MX versus ATV got in contact with me in Instagram. And then we just started talking. And kind of they're like, oh, we want to put your map in the game. And then they came out and took photos of it all and like drone shots. And like, they got pretty accurate. So good like it feels like you're there in the video game. Just even with the surrounding hills and stuff. So that it's so sick and mapped it on. And then like, it's pretty similar to what it was. But then they even added a couple of sneak lines that like, you're like, oh, that's a good idea. I'm like, let's put that in. The section like the track through the bushes is hard on the game. Yeah, that's very stressful. Yeah, that's how like now that track is like, we're in the process of reversing it. But that's how like it was, like for the most part, the layout through the bushes. Yeah. But even like how you know, you got to grease that stuff. Like in real life, too, that's like, they're not the biggest landings and stuff. So it's like BMX trails. You got to land good to get over the next one. You have a full time dozer there. Obviously you have a skiddy or like you have a payloader? I don't have a loader. I would like to eventually have a loader. I got a skiddy. I got a dozer. And then I got two water trucks. And then I think right now we're going to buy a mini excavator like a 309. That's the next piece of equipment I want to buy. And then after that, yeah, I'd like to have a loader. Like could be so nice just to have it all. And yeah, that's kind of my dream of having my own compound with my own equipment. And are you building the majority of the jumps yourself? The bigger stuff. No, like we've used Matt McCall. He runs Trick Factory. And he welds ramps. He does like all the welding ramps for all the kickers I have to, but then he also does dirt work, too. And he's like, he came in and he shaped all the jumps, stacked all them with the loaders. Like we'll run a loader when we need a loader. And then for the most part, I just watched him so much. I'll be in the water truck, just running the water truck all day. But then when I'm not doing water, I'm just like sitting there watching him grade it. And I'll just kind of learn, like watch what he's doing. And so now I'm trying to like just been out there, too, messing around in the dozer and stuff, learning how to push dirt. I'm pretty good in the skiddy now. Just with the bucket work in the bucket. Now I've been messing around with the dozer and just learning how to make cuts and like push dirt up. And I'm getting better at it. But I haven't built all the jumps there. For my one 10 track, I've, besides that, they did the X Games course there, but I always just rack it and make my own little ads and I always mess around with my one 10 tracks. The grown ups are my pride and joy of the one 10 tracks. Yeah, yeah. It was, it was feel just like a grown up, like sandbox track. Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah. When I was a little kid, I'd make little toy dirt bike tracks. Yeah, it's just, it's just a little bit more expensive now. Yeah, it's more expensive, but it's for business. You could ride it off. Yeah, it's cool. It's a good point. Get all grown up. You got to write stuff off and pay taxes. I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah. You'd rather buy an excavator than give it to Uncle Sam. That's for sure. Yeah. It's a good point. Yeah. Do you think you know how much you spent building sleigh ground? I don't know how much a lot, but with like, a lot of help with like monster energy and stuff too, because we do like our sleigh ground three video out there too. So I have a video budget to make that video. So like they help me a lot with resources and running stuff and building and so without monster energy and none of it would really be possible and fortunate enough to where I got a good sponsor like that and just all my other sponsors too. I save up all my money just to put it in the dirt. Yeah. It is crazy. It's like, yeah, moving the dirt like building a track is expensive. Yeah. And then you carry down and I'm on a hillside too. Like we'll have it all good. We'll finally get it good. Then all of a sudden a random California rainstorm will come through in the winter. It's just completely rain rutted and you just got to rebuild everything like dirt [BLANK_AUDIO] It's just constant work. Yeah, and that's the most frustrating part about not owning it, you know, you got it for two weeks. Yeah, and then that rain route comes in and you're like, well, I don't have it anymore. Yeah. And it's good to have it when it rains like that because you want to rebuild it when the dirt's good because then you don't have to spend hours and wait for your water truck guy to come over. And in most cases, the water truck guy when I'm working on something is my dad and he's not the best squatter with that thing. He just ends up drenching me in the cat. Our water truck. Yeah, that's a water truck guy's a idiot. Yeah. Did you see Mike's business? Yeah, I saw it. We ran over there. Yeah. No pants on the side of it. It was actually a distinction of him and Vegas. Vegas story. That's why you sit there. Tell me to go look at it. They're telling me about the Vegas story prior. Good times. Yeah. That's a good memory. That's funny. I was laughing. I got it on my GoPro. It's definitely a better memory for us. Yeah. So what else? You just got married? Yeah. Me and my wife Gabriella. We got married last September. So just over a year now. That's sweet. That reminds me. It took my wedding ring off the ride. And we're going to get that before I lose it. And the dingo officiated it. That's pretty surreal. We had the dingo there. He was a close family friend. And he was just, yeah, that's a pretty special moment to have a show there and rest in peace. Dingo. We lost him a little while back. So to have dingo there, he was such a good guy and to have him officiate with so fun. That's cool. That's a good week of bonding with him. Married life's good. Married life's great. Less busy, more busy, same. Nothing really changed. I mean, except I just tried to be like, yeah, we're married. Like, you know, do more laundry and stuff and not complain about it. Dude, I mean, you got a pretty dialed in, dude. She's sitting over there. She's been iPhone filming this whole thing. I look over and she's sitting there just smiling. Yeah, yeah. She's like raising out in the cold. She's my partner in crime. So yeah, it's good. It works out good. We have a lot of fun together. We get to travel around together and enjoy a lot of good memories. Mike just got married and then CJ and Banner engaged. So did you ask for this? Did anyone at your wedding steal your car and do any donuts and fuck up the grass? No, we are in a different country with rental cars. And there's like, we're on a hillside. There's no where to do stuff like that. But my friends did start throwing all the chairs we rented. Oh, yeah. [LAUGHTER] Breaking chairs again. All right. We love breaking chairs. Yeah, there's some mischenettes that we rented for our dinner stuff that, who knows, where they went. But someone might have stole Mike's car that he rolled in with with his new wife into the venue. Like, it was under this tent and did some donuts and maybe fucked up the lawn. Maybe cause a little bit of a scene. Maybe made a scene. But hearing that, that happens that you're wedding. No, we just had some chairs in the tree in the morning. No, that's more like-- I feel like that's-- See, it's normal for things like that to happen. So-- Oh, you just wait. Yeah, I know. Mike's going to make sure there's some chaos. Can you imagine? Which I want. I feel like you need to have a little bit chaos that way. Yeah, that's a fun part for it. Oh, I know. Otherwise, it's not-- Yeah, it's out of character if our weddings are normal. Yeah. You can't get tigers. I've already looked into that. I feel like that'd be sick. Yeah. Really, it's got a-- Well, I just really difficult. I don't know where the fuck you're going to get tigers in Minnesota. The zoo. I go to the zoo. Hey, can you put these things on leashes and bring them to my wedding? Mike Tyson on a couple things. I know. Well, his is now at a zoo supposedly. But I think they're still alive. Sick if you could get Mike. Oh, that would be legendary. It's like the coolest tiger in the world. That would actually. But Mike Tyson and his kids-- Yeah, so anyway. Oh. I don't put enough too many men. [LAUGHTER] Would you come and do a show, like a halftime show for me? I do a halftime show. But I'm going to have Shred 80, our three-wheeler buddy, come and do a two. And he's going to jump through a ring of fire. Yeah. It'll be three feet off the ground. Yeah. After the videos you guys were showing me, I want to meet that guy too. Yeah. You had love Gavin, dude. I show up in my Lulu lemon kit. Yeah, he figured it out. I cut the beak off your helmet. Yeah, go check it out. Yeah, do the Rodney Mac. Yep, all of this. You ever rode a three-wheeler? Yeah, I rode my friend Cole Danny. He's like a free rider guy I ride with. And he has a three-wheeler. And I rode it. We're doing the nitro circus quarter pipe. And he let me ride it up and down that thing. Yeah. He's crazy on that thing. It's fun. Dangerous. Or so scary. Yeah, very dangerous. Yeah. Those things going for it. I mean, you want to put your leg out. Snap your tip, fibra real quick. There's one thing. Our friend Gavin, the three-wheeler guy, has proven, is that three-wheeler are dangerous. Yeah. He's done a great job at proven that. Yeah. My friend Cole Danny is fucking-- He's crazy on it. Like, he's riding off his roof on it. He's built the strength up on it. Cole from F.D. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. He's gnarly. 'Cause I don't like that guy. I don't think it was him. But it was one of his homies right that jumped that Harley to flat. Yeah. That was what I didn't lose. Yeah, I was in the night in front of his house. Yeah. Can we watch that? Can you pop that video up? Straight up in his neighborhood. Dude, that is the craziest thing. Every time I see that video, I still think it's AI. Imagine your neighbors. Imagine, like, he just got some normal-ass neighbors like, oh, all right. Here he goes again. He's watching the three-wheeler. Yeah. He's rolling some burgers for dinner for the kids. Just 20 feet in. But even too, he's always making the craziest ramp. So I have this ramp at my house that he just brings a bunch of scrap wood out, like a construction sign with the log under it. He calls it the slayer log and he just, like, bolts it together real quick. He's drinking a beer. Yeah, I think it's gonna hold it together. Dude, that's a proper-- That's a three-wheeler guy. That's a three-wheeler guy. That's what they do. And they don't overthink it, man. It's sketchy. He's full DIY. Yeah. You're gonna do it yourself. And he's got property that's kind of around mine too. And he has the sickest, like, palette wall rides and just, like, sick ramps he builds. And then he'll build the tip of his jumps and then he'll jagged edge them. So they look just all hard. It's sketchy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we had Gavin's archendemesis come out and do, like, a three-wheeler off. But we were going back and forth, like, do we have Dr. David, who is his true archendemesis and the other three-wheeler guy on the internet, because there's not many of them. Obviously, or Cole from SD, who's actually good at riding a three-wheeler, like, gnarly on a three-wheeler. Yeah, have you heard of the Dr. David? He's like a BMX dude, but he shreds three-wheeler's as well. Maybe I don't know, maybe if I saw a video. His picture's down there, over by the window. It's someone with the guy's shooting, like, some flame. I'll put, like, a lighter and then his wife's, you know, bikini. Yeah, dude, everyone, like, all the legends that come here, like, he gave us that. He signed it and gave us that. You gave us your Moto Jersey. Appreciate that. The Durham Rose, all left their boards. We've actually, like, really, we've got quite a bit of signed memorabilia from just having so many legends to just come out. TP. Yeah, it's cool. It's just cool. It's really cool. Yeah, so we appreciate you giving us the Jersey sign in that. Yeah, and you'll remember that forever. Yeah, we're going to get that. We'll get it framed, like, in, like, a thing and put it somewhere cool. That's when Evan got his Mojo back. Yeah, we'll always remember that. Big date. Yeah, Evan got his Mojo. We've got to work on that 58 seconds, though. But does that what you got on that last lap? 58 seconds on our track. 58 and a half seconds. Oh, that's some room for them. Yeah, I don't 58.50. I think was that the official? Yeah, 58 something like that. Yeah, so we got like a flat. It's all I really need. It's true. It would be on any horsepower. So no excuses. But it was fun out there. It was a little less of like, it actually didn't have to go until Evan. All right. Here's how you hit a jump. You don't want to be with this and that. It was more just like, go faster, bro. And that's how you know when he's going to hit it perfect. Chase the person's speed. And then just. And then just easy to be confident when you see exactly what I need to do. Yeah, so even if you're doing it on one wheel. Yeah, I can do it on two. Yeah. Yeah, but it's all the same speed. And not like riding for a while and not seeing anyone hit it and just trying to like. Roughly guesstimate the speed is a lot harder than seeing someone. And then you could just kind of go copy what they're doing. So even when I'm like hitting big jumps and stuff when I'm with my buddies that like Josh Hill and beer man. Like when we all get together then we feed off of each other. And it makes it a lot easier to hit a big jump. Yeah. Like being there by yourself. Just having good vibes. Like a good vibes to you guys are all like riding it in, getting the speed down. And someone will hit something first. And then you could follow them off of that. But then like you'll go over to another jump. And then it turns into a competition. You're like, oh, you kind of want to hit it before them to like. Kind of have that street cred. So it gives you motivation to want to do it before someone else too. Oh, man, here we go. Yeah, we got to watch this. It's actually more. Yeah. So this, who was this guy? It was just so cool. I don't, I forget who the guy. I don't know if I met the guy on the Harley ever. Dude. He was just driving by on a Sunday cruise. Dude. It's not the power line above the power line too. So in the amount of torque he grabs, we have that ramp. Oh, that bike is so heavy. So how was that guy after that? Was he dialed? He was walking. He was okay. That was so long ago. I forget the verdict on that. Yeah, that was in 2018. I can't believe that's already like seven years ago. It's crazy. Time flies. I think that's 4,000 likes. This is one of the reposts. One of the reposts in time. I do. You know, you've done a lot of legendary things. You've got a lot of legendary clips. But one of the funniest ones is your dad. Yeah. That one. That like overseas all and everything I've done. Yeah. It's so good. You're dad. Yeah. Can we watch that? Can you pop that up? We've watched it on the podcast. I think twice at this point. It's so funny. It's timeless. Yeah. Whenever I need a good laugh, I go back and run it back. I think this is even the second time I posted it. I posted a little bit more in this time. Worth the reposts. People can't stand this video. This is so funny. [LAUGHTER] And everyone's like why did you stick your hand in the tire? I'm like dude I'm thinking so fast and that hill is so much steeper than it looks on there But bikes like upside down. I guess I didn't really look at the brake lever right there But my dad was pinned in the thorn Yeah, you know, I was trying to save his life like And then I was trying to get in there get the bike and then I was getting stabbed by the thorn But she's too and then Justin comes over and he's just as strong as dude every lift that thing up and Got my dad out there. Look at he's in the thorn bushes. It's not even face. His glasses Still got the stogie. Yeah, I didn't drop drop the stogie What that's a steep hill and he was behind me and I fully dusted him because I mean stogie's your dad smoke a day. He's always got one of those things He used to do like a stogie a day, but he had he quit stogie's after my wedding and he hasn't been smoking so I was anywhere my old man's got a stogie knees mouth around the clock. Yeah, now you quit the stogie's I got him an electric mountain bike specialized and I've been getting him like we're getting on his fitness routine Here you go get him a little healthier. Everyone's doing it. Hey, he just drinks a lot of coffee I know where I get it. Oh, yeah Bro, I'm sure it's such a weird situation to be a Every time you move it hurts more dude. And he had no helmet on I'm gonna stab just trying to get him out. I didn't know what to do and before that Justin just picked him up his whole He's in there. Yeah, my shoulders my shoulders. I'm like, why are they this okay? He's like no grab him And then he wanted to go Leaves in his ass crack Everybody makes you strong. He quit drinking 30 years ago. That's my dad. He's squirrely Dude, that's the thing is you guys are out here filming this video that's supposed to be the main focus and then your dad does this and It goes insanely by yeah, that was a sense. I fell through the bushes earlier that day to completely wanted it didn't get on video And then my dad just completely outdid himself I'm like I'm so happy my like go pro was recording for that and just like after that moment because that's gonna be a memory that we have And for everyone they got a lot of enjoyment out of it. I'm glad he was okay. Yeah, yeah, no helmet on I'm like is that like he was bleeding but realistically you know, but like no serious always worry about helmet kids Yeah, don't be like my dad You've been super good about incorporating both your parents and your videos for a long time. They just look rad Yeah, my parents are so awesome. I don't know That my mom is just taking care of us so good and traveling with my dad over the years We get to ride dirt bikes and we still just get to hang out and ride dirt bikes all the time It's very like I love hanging out with my family and get so much time just with my dad and I'll take that like with me forever I just people give me crap sometimes. Oh, you take your daddy with you all this. I'm like, dude I'm hanging out with my dad and my family I love them more than anything and we're out riding dirt bikes getting enjoy life together. It doesn't get much better than that So right absolutely We go at it all the time, but that's just like father and son like oh really like he's constantly busing your balls or what? Hey, best of my balls, but we just you know father say I'll do this like dad come on I'm gonna do it like this and I don't know. He's just a hard-ass. He's constantly talking shit messing with everyone too So just I don't know he yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like giving you tips like on the bike Well when I was racing like he I'd be on the line. I do this. Do this. I'm a dad. Shut up So mad before a race I'm like such a classic me go. Yeah, just moto dad yet you said that you know He was racing when you're growing up was he like a fast guy at the track or he wasn't really racing like he'd do like Mammoth motocross with his buddies like one time a year and but no my dad was so squarely riding a dirt bike He was pretty old school so he's jumping. He's front and front end up and there we call it that dick hammer like you just He was so squirrely, so I figured out like what not to do by watching him And then Jeremy McGrath was down the road, so we've rode with him a lot So I just I'd watch him to see what to do right because he was like the better the king of Supercars that dude was the man and I know I remember going on the track with my dad I didn't even gear up yet and he broke his neck first lap your dad Yeah, he fractured his neck He tried to hit this double and is he was trying to go on a slow lap and his buddy flew by I mean he's one of his guys that he's not gonna let his buddies like beat him So he just grabbed a handful hit this jump. They watered it went over the bars and was it the hospital? At the broken back like my dad he's loose on a dirt bike But he has some speed like he ain't scared to go for it I remember he would say if Jeremy McGrath goes by me. He's pinned. I'm pin. How come I don't have that speed I should be there right there with them He's done that. He's that Jeremy go by me. He tries to hang with Yeah, and in theory dirt bikes pinned should go the same speed, but it doesn't So that's how he's fired. He's fearless. Yeah, and I quite he doesn't really ride anymore He's getting a little older and a little bit more brittle now. So are you a crank hog? Is he read Harley's? Yeah, I got it. I'm like it's good to see him on two wheels. Obviously you said you got him a specialist a little bit Yeah, he's got a Harley at his house He got this like bat mobile looking on that I got yours back and that's his choice of weapon. You got hit sturgis with us Yeah, it's so good to go there. I think I'll just end up drinking beer the whole time I like to do it. My brother's like they ride their my brother Austin goes there every year and like done on industries I'm friends with those guys and they always go there. They do wheelie shows and stuff like that So definitely something I got to do in my life Yeah, they live up in the petaluma, California. They're getting a little older now. They're having kids now So they're kind of turning it back a little bit. We've been getting them giving them shit calling them pussies But they're like the OGs of wheeling Harley's and they're dialed. Do you just get the sickest bikes and style for the Kind of set the standard for those are nasty riding Harley's and doing wheelies riding Harley's and ripping Harley's the way that those guys Rip them you forget how heavy they are. Yeah, they're having and going down on concrete sucks road rash It's like yeah, it's not the worst thing ever and being dragged down by how heavy those things and then not to mention traffic That's like a whole nother element. Yeah stuff that can go wrong. Yeah getting hit by a bonehead driver or something and I don't know I start riding Harley's I like get a little just like my back start turn because I'm like an old I'm not old but dirt bike years I'm starting to feel a little weathered. I'm sitting hunchback. I'm on an hour and you really don't want to ride a rocket Yeah, yeah, no, no, I've ridden one down this jam. I'm good on this You could get going fast. You can't stop as fast as you could get going on those things Dude, you should see some of the stuff Evan's done on a rocket off road only. I don't really like I see some of the Off road only I'm this was fun. Yeah, I might have to get an inch of put a paddle on it Dude all those kids that are saying Evan fell off on tiktok. I'd like to see them even ride a crotch rocket Let alone do anything that Evan has done on a crotch rocket, dude What was Narlie or sand or moeb the few steepest hills at moeb were narlie because they were narlie hills But in general those big rocks are just like asphalt But the sand was hard because it constantly you wanted a tank slap like yeah If you were to stop more to crash on the hard pack stuff, then that is true And I did do that I don't think I crashed on the sand, but I tumbled in the rocks There's only because I broke my brakes. I tried to get on a hill with like rear brake only on wet You did crash so I just had I started picking up speed quicker and quicker and there may have been I don't know What the percentage chance was I just jumped up before I got to the bottom Maybe I could have rode it out, but I'm like yeah, I'm gonna be going so fast by the bottom of this and if I like It's heavy and the suspension isn't that great So I just like pulled the trigger right away as soon as I felt like I was going too fast and I knew I was only gonna be going faster I just bailed Tumbled on the rocks Yeah, the sand was just sketchy because if you weren't on the power like you could pick up speed quick with that paddle tire Like it was so lit, but as soon as you chopped the throttle, it was just yeah, that's how sand it is like riding in powder It's just you get off the gas you just who stops you. Yeah, I'd recommend snowmobiles in the sand dunes Maybe before the crowd track it those actually worked pretty good. Yeah, I saw some videos of that We had some sleds out like one of I think it was doonies, too Yeah, they were sending those things. Yeah, they were just the tracks don't really like the sand I think one caught in fire maybe Yeah, get so hot. Yeah generating some heat. Where's your favorite spot to ride like out of all the places? Obviously you have your compound you ride the dunes a lot you obviously ride public tracks to even like what? Cormons are driveway driveways are pretty nice Well, like if you if you had to choose like what's your favorite spot to go ride favorite spot to go ride? I'd either say like the sand dunes when it's smooth and good like where and it's blown good Glamas is pretty fun like I've been to glamest the most for the riding dunes And it's easier to find the bigger jumps there like pizmo is a lot of fun because it's on the beach But it's harder to find like those bigger doon-to-doon gaps like like when we go to like Glamis or any of like those dunes, the whole time I'm always just thinking about like you or any of the other riders that just fucking boot it and like link these massive basically sandhails. And I'm like looking around, I'm like, I don't know where like where are these jumps? And I just eventually like just realized I'm like, no, they're just going that big. Like so what are you like fifth gear? Just paying off these new jumps and they're like, if you're hitting like a big jump in a glamour it's like fourth gear. Yeah, and like probably going 150, like 150 feet. It just kind of depends what kind of jump it is. I think there was this jump I crashed on in my deserted video. Like I got cross-rooted in that like 'cause I was hitting it so many times, but that shot me left when I crashed. But when I hit it good, I was going fourth gear pin down a hill, but then the hill would drop away from you too. So you're even like following down the hill. I think it was closer to like 200 feet. And that was just fourth gear pin jumping down a hill. So like you could get probably close to 200 feet in the dunes in like fifth gear. It just kind of depends how it's set up. And if the sand's super soft or sometimes it blows and it's soft and you can't get the speed going. But then you be in other spots and it's kind of firm or sand. So it just kind of depends on all the conditions. There's no small jumps out there. Kat yeah, it's really like it could be. Yeah, you can find little table tops. So like a razor back that'll go over a hill. But like if you're hitting a big double or trying to find doubles, they're usually pretty big. I feel like they're still not ideal landings either though. Yeah, it's just hard to find. If you find a good like, yeah, you're either looking for a landing when you're trying to find a jump. And hopefully there's a lip to it or you see a lip then you just start looking for a landing. But it's usually pretty flat landing. And like you said, when you let off the gas there, you stop. So like hitting jumps. So you want to land wide open. So you're landing, you're going to keep going. Yeah, didn't you break your leg? Yeah, I broke my femur December 23 out in glamour. Out in glamour for that like hitting this jump. I was coming over this goalie and then I would go down into another goalie and I was clicking forth and just holding it wide. And I was doing it over and over again. I did a big whip earlier on in the day. And then we got the helicopter out to get another shot from the heli. We want to get a heli shot of it. So I was doing it over and over again. I was getting pissed because I couldn't get like the good one like I got earlier. And then my sand rut kept getting deeper and deeper because I was in this goalie and I was kind of on the side hilling, the side of the hill and then getting into the lip. And it was just started getting into like a deeper rut. And I came back, I remember one time I looped around because the rut was getting deep. And I came in backwards and I try to spray some sand into it to like fill in the rut and I like got some sand into it and then I just came back into it on the one I crashed fourth. And I put sand into it but I didn't fill in the whole rut. I just filled in like a little section of the rut. So I came in fourth wide and hit all the soft sand. I put into the rut and it grabbed my pegs and it wiggled me and just shot me left, went down left and like the landing I was jumping, shot me down right. The whole hillside was down to the right. But then I went left down this razor back edge. I was going downhill and I was just, I was on the edge of the razor back just like fully diagonal and I was going to land like full people really grind on the edge of this razor back edge. And just like I went like, I don't know, over 100 feet and I was just sitting there and like it happened fast. And I didn't want to be in the sand dunes and case and just stop on my momentum and get my handlebars to my guts because I'll just be bad. I just have an internal bleeding out in the sand dunes. I didn't want to risk that. So last minute I ditched it and I tried to get to the high side of the razor back because the other side was just a drop off. Try to get to it. I let go like pretty late. My bike landed in front of me with the bars. They kind of stabbed. I think I landed just behind my handlebars and I hit. I don't know if I exploded my femur from hitting the stand or I hit and then I went into my bike and might have hit my handlebars and then my stuff. I don't know because it happened so fast. But thank God we're close to the highway. I like broke it into like 20 pieces and I was laying there. We're right by the sand highway, at least we're pretty close. So like we waited a whole hour for the helicopter to get there. And we didn't have a medical staff with us, too, which we learned from that. Like, okay, we needed to be on our stuff and next time have a medical team with us. But there's another shoot going on. I think like Oakley was shooting with a photographer. He was a backcountry snowboard photographer, Tyler Revell. And he's a backcountry ski photographer, but he was doing some moto stuff and he saw a crash and he came up to me and he just got done because the backcountry guys, they do a first eight course every year of like, 'cause when you're in the backcountry skiing and snowboarding break your leg, you want to know to split in a femur and like go through all the procedures of like checking blood flow and stuff like that. So he just got done doing a full week of like, what to do in a broken femur situation. So he came up and kind of fully took over and got me rolled over. He was checking my toes, making sure I had blood flow. He pulled my leg straight, got me on my back, kind of put some sand under, tied my legs together with tie downs and just kept checking my pulse to make sure I wasn't internally. I got that artery, the main artery in my leg. So this is like the third femur I've done at this point. - Geez, the leg each time. - I've done my left twice. I did my left one, I was five. And then I did it again when I was 17 racing, not racing, practicing for a race. I tried to pass my buddy in rollers and just tank, slapped in rollers, went over the bars. This was my third femur I've done. So with Tyler there, I was just kind of a blessing from God that he was there and around and saw me and he just got me as comfortable as I could and then I laid there for an hour. We were trying to get an ambulance but then we ended up having a helicopter come get me and laid there for an hour with a broken femur but having him there checking me and I knew I wasn't losing blood. I wasn't getting dizzy and stuff and just made me feel so much better that I was like, okay. And it was just a broken bone instead of like other serious shit going on. - Dude, that's so gnarly though. - That's where too, like you normally don't want to bail but in that circumstances, I didn't want to take my bars to the gut and risk, explode and that shit. - A bail in the sand seems better. - That's right, I thought I was okay. Like nothing else hurt. Like I didn't hit my head or anything. Like my arms were fine, everything didn't hurt. That's why I'm thinking like, I don't know if I landed in the sand and the way in the video, I'm like, I landed right kind of in front of my handlebars. I think I landed and rolled and just peeled my femur like over my crossbar and I don't know the way it broke too. It was so just like shattered and what does that look like after you do something that gnarly you crash? How do you gain your confidence back to do big jumps yet? - I don't know, I definitely think a lot more now when I'm doing jumps and be trying to be more calculated but I just like dirt biking too much. I go kind of mental if I'm not doing that type of stuff. So I just what I like doing. - Did you get back into a red way? - Six months later was quarter pipe at X Games. I miss X Games the year before my best friend Pat Casey passed away before X Games last year and I just really wasn't mentally ready to ride after that. He passed away, we're riding at my property and after that I was pretty, it took me a while to like wanna have fun on my dirt bike again six some time off didn't ride X Games before that and then this was kind of wanted to film a video for monster getting back, just starting to have fun riding my dirt bike again and it was December 6th it was exactly six months after Pat passed away. I broke my leg and after that like I was just starting to have fun and enjoy it again and did that. So I was pretty mentally down on myself for a while after that but now I don't know, I just dirt bikes are so fun to me and I know it's my favorite thing ever to do in life short and I don't know you could get in a car crash and that could be it, so I don't know. I just like dirt bikes too much and for me just having fun is the main part for me and like having fun. That's when I usually do like the earlier stuff is when I'm having fun not thinking about it. So if you're a dirt bike or you can't think too much you just gotta trust your skills. - Yeah, obviously you gotta mitigate the risk 'cause I mean you're not obviously trying to get hurt. - Yeah, but that's where too I've had so much experience on a dirt bike too and over the years of learning and crashing and how to get out of it, you just gotta kind of rely on your skill and know how to get out of things. You gotta know how to crash to be a dirt bike rider. You gotta be able to tuck and roll and now I think about, okay, if this doesn't go right, I'm gonna have an escape plan is know how I'm gonna crash and you gotta like, you get older, you kind of learn about that instead of just happening, so. - It's like good skateboarders. - Yeah, you just gotta. - Really good at taking falls. - Whoever's better at taking falls has a longer career. - I'm pretty beat up, I got metal rods in both my femurs but I still feel pretty good and learning how to crash is definitely a big part of being a dirt bike rider. - What's the rehab look like after you break your femur until getting back on a bike that soon? - After that, I just started, like I said, so X Games was six months after that and I didn't ride the year before, so I really just wanted to ride X Games just to be there and to be in it again and just from not riding it the year before, I was pretty bummed on that. I just wanted to get back in the mix, so. - And it's good to have that, you use that as your goal. - Yeah, and it gives you a goal to work for. - Yeah, a deadline, yeah. - Yeah, maybe I wasn't 100% but I was just stoked that I was able to get there and ride it. And after that rehab, like when you break your femur, they put a rod in it, like to get out of the hospital, they have you on a walker the next day 'cause you have a rod in your femur, it hurts like hell, but like they get you up on a walker to move because you wanna keep your blood flowing in your leg for just like swelling and blood clots and everything like that and get your muscles stimulated. And after that, I laid in the bed just not doing anything for a while until I could start moving a little bit and I got this little pedal, like they're just like these pedals I'd put in front of my, I forget what it was called but it was this pedal machine, I'd put in front of my couch, I could not be sitting here with pedals and it would do it for me. So like, that's how I started. It was like automatically pedal and then hey I was like an online program too so once you get stronger and stronger and then it gets you warmed up and then you start pedaling yourself and you do it for a minute and then that gradually gets harder and harder so that keeps you moving and then with specialized bicycles gives me a lot of good support so I got some e-bikes too so I started riding my e-bike pretty early or probably shouldn't have been riding it but pedal assists like I just get like I said bored when I'm not riding so I started riding that pretty early on and just going on just long mellow rides through the neighborhood to where I know I wouldn't be in any spots where I'll get stopped or have to put a leg out started out with mellow rides is kind of on the road and then just started getting into the trails on that riding my electric bicycle to just got me pedaling back and then standing up on that thing and then having PT to just like doing certain exercises you start doing lunges and just stepping up like on a box you just start working your way back up getting your muscles going again until the pains away and today like this thing still hurts but like it just gets better and better and like it's just kind of on you to how strong you want to get it just a little by little by little yeah which the other day like I was doing this one foot wheelie landing I just posted on my Instagram the other day off my 75 foot ramp it still hurts like hell but like I tried it two months ago and I haven't been pretty lazy with like doing squats and stuff my leg wasn't that strong and I tried it like two months ago it hurts so bad but since then I've been riding a lot of bikes and squatting and I did it the other day and I could just fully have the confidence again to land on my bad leg and have that strength back so just just got to put in the work and get the strength back to the main part and keep it moving and hope your surgeon did a good job of building it back together because I know there's some people that I've had some shitty surgery so yeah just making sure you go to the right place to to get your surgeries done is pretty big too our boy Spenny cut his eight tendons and one nerve what three weeks ago yeah out yeah and he's you know and heavy rehab right now just trying to get it back and he's been just like day by day spends three to four hours a day doing nothing but rehab and he's slowly slowly getting it back so he picked up an empty glass bottle this week and that was like the biggest you know like he's like yeah that's now it's gonna be a full glass bottle like I don't think people realize the like mental toughness you have to have you know everybody wants to go out and do sick jumps and all that but like pushing yourself through crashes pushing yourself most importantly through injury not built like a normal human I feel like you're an athlete yeah in this best rehab suit for riding I think it's just riding and like being patient with that too not just going out and trying to do the stuff you're doing before just even going out go ride the vet track and just go moto for a little bit and try standing up to build that muscle memory back and yeah I don't know just standing up on a dirt bike because that's the best way you're gonna get your dirt bike muscles back firing and so I think a lot of people listening probably know that but a lot of people don't like I broke my foot really bad before I rode and I baby this shit out of it I just like didn't use it because I was like well I just broke it super bad of course I'm not gonna use it yeah and that ended up you know not paying off yeah you want to keep it moving like scar tissue you want to get it but yeah you should use it as much as possible yeah just keeping it moving like even if you're not putting weight on it you can't put weight on it just it depends the injury but even if it hurts you want to keep those muscles moving or so lock up on you and just even harder to get back to where you were so is there moments after a gnarly crash like that you know with the compound of your buddy dying you're laying in bed with a broken leg are you like ever contemplating like fuck maybe this isn't worth it I don't think I've ever thought that no yeah it's just like rehab it back and get back on it's what I do so I don't know I can't I'm in too deep yeah you can't take that away yeah I love dirt bikes like there's nothing else that like would make me as happy as a dirt bike I mean my wife would make me happy but like in a different way as like being satisfied in life liking what I do is dirt bikes is it mm-hmm yeah I think I think like you know a lot of people obviously listening right now wonder what's it like you know for an athlete to go through something that gnarly to get back on and keep on going like just like the mental toughness that takes yeah it's hard sometimes I have my days where I don't know like and I was in the nitro circus to her like right this was before I broke my femur and pat pass away and I was doing this gnarly we lead to backflip which is a super like inconsistent trick and it's scary and then it would be after half time and they would do like a full memorial for all of our friends out of pass away and the last one was Pat and it was just like every time I was crying watching that and then it was my turn for my gnarly stunt so it's like almost like you got to take that and put it into the energy it's like yo Pat's got my back and I'm doing this for him and just and he was the gnarliest dude ever he'd be up there I'm like okay he's gonna call me a pussy from the heavens if I don't do this right now so you gotta kind of turn that into motivation instead of fear yeah kind of do it for them and turn a negative into a positive and have a purpose to do it and know he's got your back where it's a wisdom you have any guys you've seen on the space you feel like are coming up coming up for like freestyle yeah people you're excited to watch as they I'd say I don't know for like younger kids there's not a lot of kids that are like riding freestyle these days but there's this little kid on super mini his name's bogey I saw the other day like yesterday I was landing bed he was like throwing a big whip on a 75 foot ramp on a super mini that was pretty cool and then there's a lot more guys like now there's a electric bikes and there's all those kids doing the whips like Patrick Evans and wild I know Nick Thomas soon is he's another guy that I've seen doing like wheelie landings and stuff like that so there's a lot more like kids like that they're not necessarily the youngest but they're kind of like doing the free riding and making dirt bikes look cool and stuff like that so I don't know cuz like nowadays it's like all the younger kids are just racing dirt bikes for them most part how do you think the pathway has changed to do what you do because in your era of doing it it was like all right you hit some shows get on X games you know like that and then you start making YouTube do you feel like it's almost reversed at this time yeah I don't know it's kind of in a weird spot like it just kind of depends like the type of rider you are if you want to be like that X games guy or for me like I care more about making a sick video and like putting style and putting your own flavor on to something instead of just going out and hucking trick after trick or trying to like go over a bar over and over again like I like to be able to create something that's different than everything else and like a backcountry yeah like a backcountry snowboarder but for dirt biking so for like kids and stuff it's like kind of now yeah everything's a lot of media driven and like I think yeah making YouTube's like you guys you guys make YouTube videos of doing cool shit like there's a lot to be said for that in the dirt bike world too it's cool to see more like kids making videos like that and like doing vlogging and like showing people what it's really like about being a dirt bike rider and I don't know just being creative you gotta be creative and think outside the box and yeah so it always worked for me like I've just always try to be a little bit different and put my twist on the things that like have been done maybe but I don't know you can put your own style on it and make it your own and yeah you've always been different I've always been good at that though like even you were like the first guy on Snapchat making snapchats of like your daily vlogging your life yeah I don't know that yeah I was young you know it was fun like I wish I was like I don't snapchat as much as I used to and now you could get paid good on Snapchat no like everyone I was back in the day it was like that but I try to snapchat when I can I threw some up today you guys gave me a little fun yeah bring it back yeah get actually back on snap but yeah I don't know just there's so much ways to make money on the internet too and if you could turn your motorcycle content into that too and just making it creative and not doing the same thing over and over and over again too because I feel like you can burn stuff out by just doing the same thing over and over again so that's or two I like to write a little bit of everything and just trying to be the best well Ron Throne and writer I could be throwing some brute force content so people you can have fun yeah people like dirt bikers will talk crap on a quad but it's like dude I love riding clouds it's so fun I'd like to see some I'd like to see some brute force content in the future yeah definitely so just having fun like dirt bikes are so fun you're having fun I'll rub off another people though they'll be like I want to go have fun like that too and there's not contest like freestyle anymore there's X games one time a year it's not like they have due to her and stuff like that where kids are like kind of chasing the contests scene for freestyle so dude it's just became like so accessible with the internet yeah you know you can go on Instagram and you can see the gnarliest triple back flip and I think the only place that you used to be able to see that was X games yeah yeah and now you see it every day every single day yeah so I haven't heard or done the research but like X games is turning into a league now yeah and I haven't researched it too much either but yeah it looks like a league I don't really know how it's going to work or yeah especially like with skating and BMX like you know there are street leagues like it almost makes sense but then with bikes the risk factors a lot higher so yeah there's how many events are we gonna have yeah I don't know yeah I don't really know how any of that's gonna see how it pans out you have any world records you're chasing no I don't really chase records I like more so like doing stuff that hasn't really been done yet like the best stuff and yeah that's what I kind of like doing keeps me driven and I wonder what the most I was trying the world record at one point I wonder what the most like endo to wheel to endo to wheelie, to endo to wheelie, like combo would be. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, I'm not one to go with all I just broke the record. I just like doing stuff that I think is cool and that that stokes me out. That's what I get the most satisfaction out of his life. And it's not even like, that was sick. After you do something like that, you're not like, yeah, that's world's first, like, come beat me. It's not like that's the vibe, but I'm all four people like doing shit. They don't need the Guinness Book of World Records actually there. Like, if it's the first time I've seen it. So for myself, I'm hyped off of it, it makes me happy, it makes me sleep good at night. I'm stoked. We got that half mile driveway. You could do the frickin nose manual to wheelie back and forth. You want to hit that or you thinking like on a track, like jump. Yeah, maybe like a huge straight rhythm setup, which is that I picture table tops in a row. You can't pull it back for it back for it back. That's not even a thing. Yeah, you can do three and have the world. Yeah, right. Yeah, if you get creative enough, you can have the Guinness guy come out and just have any kind of weird world record. Yeah, but isn't it like five Gs? It is. Is it really? Yeah, we've looked into it because it'd be sick to have a world record. But it's just like, dude, it's hard to do. At one point, I was going for the distance record. It was hydro circus with insane. I was close like, I was doing it so much because I wanted it to be dialed in. I wanted to be really dialed in by the time I was show time and I wanted to get over 400 feet the night of and I wanted to get 420. That was my main goal. Yeah, but I was coming in and it was kind of like when you start going over 350 feet, it kind of turns into like you're flying something and like every little movement is so gnarly. And the way I had my distance setup, I was coming in going like 106 is what I was taking off miles an hour. Yeah. Holy shit. I didn't know we were out of 450. I was on a 450 and then you don't want to mod out your bikes too because then it makes them more unreliable. And like, you want to keep it as kind of a stock as you could at 42 through your sprocket or changing the gearing and then the exhaust pipe on it. We like mimicked this flat track pipe. We took the pro circuit and they like kind of got that for like getting the best top end of the bike to get the top speed. So Mitch Payton got me a good pipe on it and we got, we didn't really touch the motor in like a lot of gearing, we geared it super low. And like I was coming in, I'd hit it at 106, but then I'd come in and they had the platform elevated. So I was like hitting a little bump. Then I'd unload, I would get it like raised up like this high onto the platform, look at the speedometer, then like see, make sure I'm going 106 and then look back at the ramp to hit it. Then if I wasn't going to 106, I'd like come off this like side deck and it was like pretty sketchy and I was going over like 350 good and good and think my farthest successful jump was 396 feet is what they told me and I did that the day before and then just another day of training came in and it was a little headwindy, but like I felt like I was going slow and I pulled up at the last second, like I would on a normal like 100 foot dirt bike jump. But like when you're going that fast, you have such a big headwind in your back wheel spinning so fast, it's so heavy. So I got up, I pulled a little bit because I just felt like I was trying to get distance and I felt like I was going a little slow so I pulled up, I got my friend downed up and I didn't break tap in time to get like my front set down in time. So as I apex, like my back wheel was still spinning so like heavy and then with the headwind too, it was a little windier that day, it just like started dropping and dropping like old bowling ball style. I felt like somebody was just like pulling my back wheel down. I landed full 12 o'clock. Both my toes, I kept my shins and then it just slammed down so gnarly, it blew my hands off the handlebars and then I was like literally laying on my seat, like I was buggy boarding it and I was like on my seat, I was like this is crazy and then I just slowly felt myself peel off the side of it and then I just started sliding, I forget how far I slid. I slid at another football field or even farther than that. Full leathers. Full leathers, but I was wearing my moto gloves. I didn't have leather gloves on, like I didn't think I was going to crash on it. I'm like I'm going to stop this shit every time or else I'm done, like I didn't even think crashing was an option. But just had that one bad pull and going that fast, everything just like this micro movements and then I had it good, but just that one bad jump kind of set me back and it wasn't my intention. I wasn't, I didn't go to them wanting to break the record. They came to me and wanted a guy to break the record. I was like, yeah, dude, it sounds easy and then after that, that happened and I'm like this shit is just like too life or death and this isn't why I ride a dirt bike. What was the injuries? So I broke my left talus on my ankle and sprained with that and then I just sprained this one pretty bad and that was about it for just broken foot and sprained my right one, got out pretty good. But then like I said, I was like slammed the ground, boogie board, it slid with sliding my hands and I remember I went to get up and I thought I was going slow, but I was still sliding so fast, I went to get up and I started cartwheeling more until I came to a stop and I got up, I see like fully boogie boarding my seat like I was still riding it and then I don't, I should have just stayed on it. You did it. I mean, I got it for as bad as that could have been like I got out of jumping a 400 foot jump. Yeah. With minor consequences. So it's the history channel? Yeah, I was going to be on history channel with natural circus and yeah, then I got hurt and then afterwards I just didn't really have any desire to, I've jumped 396 feet successfully and I'm like, I'm good with that for myself. 96. That is. Yeah. But then yeah, my, that sucks, I was sliding and my hands were grinding, I remember my knuckles were so bloody. But then I stood up thinking I was going to do it later that day and I walked into the ambulance. I'm like, I'm okay. And then I lay down for like 20 minutes. It's like, holy shit. And I want to get back up and my ankles were just full lock up and hurt so bad. And yeah, as you play back the footage and you see your ankle completely top it up and you're like, oh, that's why that's so much adrenaline going and then I lay down and just everything locked up and like, I couldn't stand and then that was kind of all she wrote. Yeah. I don't know. You're just going so fast and like do again. Yeah, it's cool. But I don't know, I rather go do like the back flip wheelie stuff and that's more enjoyable to me and for that too, it's like I couldn't even go riding, go enjoy my dirt bike. I was showing up at an airport every day, I just have to hit this double over and over again. What is the record? That's shaky too because there's like a ramp to dirt record. I was going for the official ramp to ramp record, which I think at the time was 372 or something like that. The ramp to ramp. I don't know how it. I was hearing a bunch of numbers too, like I didn't even know the record too, like it was just so confusing. Then there was another guy, Alex Harville, which I think he passed away jumping, but he had a, he said they went for 25 or something, but that was ramp to dirt. But then they like, there's other people saying that wasn't Ginius road record, but I'm like, okay, but who cares? Like if he went for 25, that's fake job. I'm actually dude. Yeah, it's so big too, so like I didn't know like a lot about that world at the time too. So like I was just like trying to do my job and go far. Some evil, con evil shit. But yeah, but 396 was my father's son. I could say I went 396. How many school bus I mean, no, just think like, so what like a football field, a football field, like 120 yards. So you're like essentially jumping, like if you were to take off through a field goal and you would land through another probably Madison did that, but yeah, but I think it's 300 feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they cause the end zone, so you'd still be over that, but it's just just to put in perspective, field goal through field goal, at least. How much time in the air is that? I don't know. I got some videos on my phone. You're up in the air and you're like, look, I'm up here. It's crazy. It felt like the ones I had good, they were good, like I was like getting the nose down and like felt fine, but just like going through your head when you're up there, are you chilling or are you like, I went looking at the gap, I'm just like showing, I'm looking down this fucking runway and like, I'm passing by all these like 744, 747 jets they have parked next to me. And I don't know. You kind of get in the zone and as soon as you start looping it, looping it, you get more comfy with it because then it starts turning into muscle memory. But it's just like your bike breaks going that fast or you have a mechanical, it's not really worth endowing off that, going 106 miles per hour. Oh, dude. Yeah. 49.6 school buses. That's a long way. Sideways. Sideways. Yeah, Levi. Yeah, he was doing it too. Which he crashed. He did. Yeah, which is mind blowing to me because I think he went over the bars. What did he say when he, it was something with the carburetor. He was burning so much gas and then you're in the air. It would like to lift out of the oil. Yeah, in the car. In the air. In the air. He burned through all of the gas in the air and stopped it and went like four, 16 or something right on his sled. I think I get how far he went, but I think you made a good point though. At that point, it's, it's not just like jumping. It's flying. Yeah. So once you get like over 350, it's like a whole different ballpark. He loves that shit though, like he loves a good world record. Yeah. That's like that's what he's, yeah, it's far, it's from gnarly or 12. He loves jumping. In the dark. Just in general. Yeah. Yeah. That was San Diego. Yeah. Snowmobile. Yeah, bro. Overwater. That was so crazy. He's got the ebony build. Side by side was probably Madison was shorter. take a fall. Yeah, that's crazy. Going over the bars on like a 400 foot jump screw that is so bad. I'm snowmobile, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, then they do it side by side with Maddo, too. Robbie Madison is absolute legend, too. You ever ride a snowmobile? I've written some like kind of crappier tour, like snowmobiles. And then you got a tour guide so they don't really let you go get all routed. Those aren't fun either, dude. That's like riding a freaking trail. Yeah, but they're just riding a horse. It's essentially just riding a horse. But when I was doing, yeah, the snowbike stuff at ERX, Cody Cam was there training on his factory racelight. And he let me take that thing. Let's say go ride the track on it, but it's like I couldn't even ride the track because it was so whooped out and roughed the track. And I'm trying to like do this thumb throttle. And that thing was so fast, I would hit like bumps to get whiskey thumb. Yeah, it was just kind of like we should bow to my arms. We should take you back country. Yeah, I think you would like that, because that's where you're starting. Put a time in and put a day in and just get it like clainted with how the suspension works and everything. Instead of just pretty much threw me out on like a rough fast track on the fastest snowmobile ever with like his stiff suspension, where you got to ride it. Yeah, to like make it work. They engage at such an high RPM. Yeah, yeah, it was just so foreign to me. Like it was bad ass, but I'm like, I did a couple of apps. I like to do this. I don't have no place of doing this right now. They're hard to ride. Snowcross sleds are hard to ride, especially on a slow fast track. But one thing that would be easy for you, what you've talked about, yeah, coming back to ride on the glare ice. Yeah, I'd love to learn. Thank you. We'll get you on some relatively thin ice. But wait, we're like four inches, then we're for sure not going to break through. Yeah, no, yeah, that looks so fun. My dad being from Detroit, yeah, he's always talked to big game like. He's an ice guy. I'll probably going to have to bring him for the ice. All right, dad, put your money. Anyway, honestly, we got a bike. You guys drag some handlebars out there. Yeah, that'll be perfect for him because he's get it twisted in the throttle. No, he's got that twisted throttle. Like, yeah, the jumping is his downfall, but like he's all right. Well, just have to make sure he doesn't go out too far. Get too carried away and like where it's real thin. Yeah, nothing nice. So we're not having to watch his video or anything. Yeah, he's in the ice of the Stelky. It looked like he looked like me rolling across the ice. Bikes at the bottom of the lake. Yeah, I hit no penguin slide. And yeah, I'm sure you guys would get a who out of him too. But I'm out here. He'd be out here talking shit the whole time. Dude, that'd be fun to watch video. Yeah, oh, yeah. Did rich video where you guys were giving him crap. Being a superstar for going to the past. My dad was laughing his ass off. Shout out Rich for Rich. Rich lined it up. So big shout out Rich. We like to give Rich a lot of shit. But Rich is a man. He's always had my back too. So I even got his puppies and coffee socks on it. Wow, he'd be happy to see this. I had like three cups today too. Yeah, there we go. Shout out puppies and coffee. That'd be sick to line up a sled trip. I think you have fun. And bring some people that have never rode sleds before and then just get them into it. Yeah, it looks so fun. I've been seeing some videos too. Like the pro snowmobiliers out for your riding stuff. They find this sick as well. Yeah, we can just take it off. He's a monster athlete. Yeah, sure God. Yeah, that'd be fun. And then like shred 80. He's never rode in the mountains before. And then just bringing like a bushel of our friends. Well, no offense shred 80. But Axel might have a little more snowmobilial control. Just native snowmobilial control. I guess sense in general. Yeah, terrible comparison of to skill levels. To be fair in the reverse crowd. Yeah, exactly. To be fair though, a snowmobili is three points of contact. It's true. Maybe it'll be a three wheeler. You know, three points of contact. He really wasn't in the mountains. But he did ride in like two feet of snow. And it was Mike's brand new sled that I'm not so sure. Mike had even rode yet. And he was upside down on that thing. Oh, really? Yeah, that had a good type upside down. Heavy D at the, at the house out there in Utah. We did a little sneaky ride like, well, unload this sled. We'll go around back. He was tits over a tee cattle immediately. The soft snow looks a little bit more leisure to fall into. If you get away from your sled, I'd rather crash in the powder than the hard back of your extract. Yeah, 100% way better. We appreciate the time, Axel, dude, so sick. That was easy. Yeah, thank you, bro. You started going quick. Appreciate you coming up here. No worries. Thanks for having me. You guys got a sick place out here. And you guys seem to like to do all the same stuff I like to do. You got some buildings going up with dirt bike tracks. And it's kind of what we do out in Ramona at the sleigh ground. So same, same, but different. Oh, yeah. So if you guys haven't yet, check out his Instagram. Check out his YouTube channel. Check out his Snapchat. I'm giving away a 450 on my YouTube channel. No, it's a hit 500k. So let's go. Let's go. Let's get this started up. I'll try to get out some more edits as I can. I've been working my ass off trying to ride and get out edits. I know I lag a little bit, but I'll get them out there. Oh, yeah, check out the YouTube channel. One man, man. Right on. Thank you, guys. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming on. We'll see you guys next week. New podcast every Tuesday. Peace. Later. Check out sleighco96.com.