Avengers Doomsday Shot Without Finished Script, Bautista's Kratos Build - The John Campea Show

well greetings and salutations everybody welcome to the best day i move related show on the planet earth the john campion show coming from right here in my dilapidated converted garage i am of course your host john campy i'm joined today the one the only descending from mount olympus three c films himself chris parker's here hey sir thank you so much for having me on john i'm ready to talk oh i love it i was literally told and i want to find myself a green lantern ring i totally want to get one okay now you've just made me really envious okay also of course joining us here is our technical director jonathan voyko hey everybody i don't have a ring i've got some earplugs but i don't have any rings sorry and of course most importantly guys you guys are here thank you so much for being here making our little show part of your day and here's how today's show is going to go we're going to start off by talking about a number of predetermined topics we got lined up for you guys then in the second part of the show is when we're going to take your live comments and questions if you're watching live and you have to be watching live and you have a thought theory opinion or an issue you'd like me to address go ahead and fire it on into the super chat feature and as long as i deem it appropriate to be addressed on the show we'll get around to answering it in the second part of the show all right guys we got a lot of stuff to cover here today so we're going to get things kicked off here and we're going to kick it off with this you know uh lanterns is now on uh on the air and watching episode three for me one of the best single episodes of dc television i've ever seen i'm not going to say it's the best single episode of dc television i've ever seen but i'm going to say it's it's in the conversation i mean that's just to me it's all subjective it's art but i really really loved it i had a great time with it now we talked before about the fact that you know a lot of shows will get their biggest ratings their biggest viewership either on their season premieres or often at their finales the question really becomes do people keep coming back do the viewership numbers go down as they often do after a season premiere or do they go up and if they do go up miraculously do they continue to go up well that is a question we don't have to ask about lanterns anymore because as we decide to go up we don't have to ask about lanterns anymore because as we discussed last week lanterns episode two after its record-breaking debut the viewership went up and now according to report in variety they've gone up again uh variety is headlining lanterns episode three attracts 10 million views globally on hbo max on a new series high uh they went on to explain this they said hbo max's lanterns continues to grow in viewership the dc studio series third episode which premiered sunday august 30th averaged 10 million views on hbo max 10 million viewers globally and 7 million viewers in the u.s after three days of viewership according to the network by the way they say the episode one and i was up to over 20 million views which is of course partially you know from just people getting caught up but also because word of mouth spreading people wanting to catch on and that's the key right that's the key to anything like this is that in order for a show to be really successful and again i keep going back to wandavision because this was something that was really really emphasized with wandavision wandavision was a show that didn't start off to great viewership but every single week the viewership went up and up and up because more and more people kept talking about it everybody was discussing it people are going to work and hearing all their work people talk about now they start checking out and they're like oh well i better go back to the beginning and watch the first episode again and you know that ultimately guys is where the rubber meets the road about whether or not a show is actually connecting with its audience it doesn't mean you need to like it it doesn't mean you need to think it's good but really the ultimate litmus test about whether or not a show is connecting with its audience is what does the viewership do week to week does it decline does it stay steady which is always great or does it actually climb and go up especially when it launched to the numbers like this and i believe they said it's the biggest episode debut for any dc television show yeah it was um and like in the top five for hbo for hbo now think about that think about all the shows and all the seasons and all the stuff that hbo has had um and it so it started at that incredibly high number yeah and then just increasingly just keeps going up from there which again like i said i think is the the ultimate uh you know sign that the show is indeed connecting with its audience again doesn't mean everybody likes it doesn't mean everybody needs to like it but it is showing that it is connecting with its audience anyway uh chris uh you've got the ring man oh yeah so you've you've been watching the show um are you surprised to see these viewership numbers because like green lantern is not a c-list character by any stretch of the imagination but he's not one of the heavy dc hitters he's not in the trinity of the dc here he's not batman he's not wonder woman he's not even flash and yet it's drawing these types of numbers what do you attribute this to no i mean honestly i remember when james gunn first announced the lanterns uh would be coming in and i was excited i was like yes we're getting green lantern love again they're gonna try again after ryan reynolds but i was disappointed when i heard it was a tv show and i was like ah yeah they belong on the big screen that's a big hero but i mean it's working i mean tv we're in the still in that i think golden age you know and they are proving it uh with this it's really nice to see and like you said there's been a lot of comic book shows uh since like the last time i've seen it and i've seen it a lot of times i've seen it a lot of wanda vision days but i remember specifically like the wanda vision days where it's just non-stop discourse online you know about theorizing and wondering and people speculating and it felt like that died down uh show to show on disney plus or comic book shop to comic book show and with lanterns it feels like it's ignited it's people are interested they're in i am so happy for this not only for the green lantern brand because now it's something that's being taken more seriously right and we don't just have the green uh the ryan reynolds one stain but uh i also think the gamble paid off for what james gunn and them set out to do with this you know it seemed very obvious to me they were trying to go after a different market they're like the comic book geeks are probably still going to check this out but to me it felt like they were trying to aim for that that yellowstone or tulsa king type audience with the way they were trying to go for the show and it's appealing it's appealing all around and it's a really great show i'm also just i knew it was going to be good i did not expect how good it is uh i'm actually kind of surprised with how good the show has been uh week to week and even more with episode three like i think post james gunnera it's probably my favorite thing the dc has done uh so far so really awesome really awesome to see and it just makes me excited to see what what they do next and i mean uh with something like this too john you know we just had the supergirl which was like a hiccup in the road for gun do you think that's a kind way of putting it that's a very generous way of putting it we'll call it a hiccup sure let's call it a hiccup it's still only a niche amount of only a fraction of the general audience that still checks this out is the the show's quality enough to get people that excited again where you know that supergirl hiccup is not going to be as much for them well i think the key thing here and that's a great question i think the key thing here is that we know aaron pierre is going to be in man of tomorrow right yep so i mean let's look it's it's this is an if and it's a big if yeah but if continues to grow in its viewership and again that that is admittedly a big if but and we're getting to the point that its numbers keep growing and it has the number i mean it's already got incredibly impressive numbers um then following that up with him coming back into man of tomorrow is going to do nothing but help now i don't think it does anything for clay face right clay clay faces listen look clay face is what it is it's a small lower budget niche film that they decided to do because they thought they had a great concept for it and it looks really good and that's great but i honestly think even though it's a tv show and this is the opposite of what i normally think i actually think lanterns is going to have a bigger influence on re-engaging the momentum for the dcu than even clay face because i agree clay face is a as good as it may be or as bad as it may be who knows it's just a smaller project i think most people know know it as such anyway guys question is for you what do you think about this uh apparently for the third week in a row the viewership numbers for lanterns just keeps going up uh that doesn't mean you need to like it doesn't mean anybody needs to like it but obviously a lot of people are and it's connecting with a lot of people why do you think that is whatever you guys think jump down to the comment section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down let's move on to the next one to this shall we you know one of the truly uh crazy stories over the last while has been the whole journey of the god of war series i mean first of all they killed it by having uh the fact that they got ronald d moore who in my opinion is the greatest showrunner of all time so you attached him to it to a game of the year game that is one of the very very few games that actually true has screen worthy narrative storytelling in it so that was great then they went out and got my boy ope from sons of anarchy and i thought that was brilliant casting and then we saw pictures of him recently and he was absolutely jacked and huge he tore his bicep not going to be able to do his physical stuff for at least a year they decided they needed to recast and then we found out they got dave batista the big question though had been that dave batista has lost a lot of his muscle on purpose like he's purposely wanted to trim down he's in his mid-50s um he's decided he wanted to trim down and so they were kind of wondering what's he going to be like what kind of physical shape can it be in like like i said he's a lot smaller but his body's genetics know what it's like to carry around that kind of weight so maybe he can get back to it well dave batista decided to answer the question today when he got on instagram and this is coming to us from variety he got on instagram and uh decided to take a shirt off for everybody to show him getting back into creator shape the way variety headlines a transformation to play kratos or i should say dave batista shows off body transformation to play kratos and god of war series two more months to get where i need to be he said and uh again you can take a look at the picture of him here which uh i mean look i have never looked that good i will never look that good um like he's look even in his midsection man his the abs are coming back in his chest is defined again now at the same time he's not the same guy he used to be in both ways like when you go back and look at him in his wwe days i mean look he is now he's a hundred pounds lighter than that i mean he's easily a hundred pounds lighter than that now he can't his body simply cannot in his mid-50s get back up to that now at the same time he's clearly put a lot of the muscle back on from the other picture from the toronto international film festival the other year when he had dropped like a lot of his body weight and remember he famously said too that he didn't want to work out like that anymore he didn't want to because it's it takes a toll on you at that age just ask hugh jackman uh to walk around with that and he didn't want to do it anymore well apparently he changed his mind for a little film uh called or a little a series i should say called god of war and listen the other neat thing about dave and the reason i like the the casting is while i do think um oh why did i just freeze on ope's name the guy who was going to play kratos first ryan hurst yeah ryan hurst i i mean i love ryan ryan is a top level actor like he's not alice he's not a timothy chalamet or uh you know neither or dicaprio level but he is a great actor so he was great for that and the thing about dave batista is he did not start off as a great actor and he's he was the first person to say that he said that publicly i'm not the greatest actor i'm really lucky to have these chances he would say but when you look especially over just the last couple of years when you look at the body of work that he's turned in like i i think these are his five best performances now you take out his performance in blade runner 2049 in which he directed by the great denis villeneuve that was 2017 everything else on this list is within the last five years i mean not the original guardians of the galaxy but he played drax most recently his performance in glass onion showed he's got great comedic chops he was wonderful in the last show girl uh knock you know i didn't think knock at the cabin was fabulous but he he was you know what he was good he didn't he did not come across as a former actor or as a former wrestler turned actor he just came across in that movie as a solid actor you know what i mean and i don't think it's a coincidence when you look at this list that other than blade runner 2047 which again was 2017 all of these other ones are relatively recent he's just gotten better and better and better as a performer as an actor and so when they said dave batista i was actually less concerned about the fact that he's not the same muscular monster that he used to be because he's just a really good actor he's a good actor now again he's not going to win any oscars but he is a legitimate serviceable quality reliable actor now and then seeing this picture again it and watching the video and he says he's got two more months he could probably put it on another 10 maybe another 15 and uh i think he's gonna look good they're gonna have to cover up a lot of his you know yeah tattoos good filipino kid good filipino kid dave batista but anyway he looks great i i think he looks a lot better because chris i think it was totally rational for people to have a little bit of a fear especially once again when when you saw when you remember this picture from the toronto film festival and how slimmed out he had become i think it was understandable that a lot of people were like yeah dave batista but can he be kratos anymore he's not what he used to be in the wwe days but i think he's looking pretty good chris you've seen pictures now how are you feeling about dave batista as kratos now that we've had some time to think about it and how are you feeling about these images we're seeing oh no i i'm you know if there was anybody that was going to replace uh ryan hearst when the batista name came up because like you said his acting ability has really shown over uh last couple years and so that was the thing that most excited i was like okay that could be a thing and you know with makeup and stuff if need be maybe they could find a way to hide some of that padding to and knowing his previous comments he's like i just can't stay in that shape my body can't hold on to it nobody can i mean even we even see the rock slim down now nowadays right eventually everybody's gotta uh lean down and can't hold on but i am curious what specifically about the kratos character made him like all right this is probably my last chance to beef up my last things and also you got to think they probably want to do multiple seasons of this there's a lot of stories they could tell uh he knew he must have known that when signing on the only thing i could think of is um for years he's campaigned to the gears of war uh character and movie and maybe this is just what he saw as in like if it's not gears of war i mean kratos would be the next best thing and that that'd be something that could be another big defining role in his career so it is awesome to see that when that photo came out just knowing how he had looked at front international film festival and just seeing how how quickly he gained it back to it feels like it's insane and he said still two more months he's gonna look awesome so it's cool to see for dave batista no doubt about it it and um i'm just again wondering the longevity of it because he's already been open about don't want to do this uh to myself long term but here he is so most likes me think that they have cool things planned for this if he's willing to get into it yeah and look you you point out a great observation this wasn't this isn't just one thing like they're doing season they're shooting season two back to back with it now on an expedited schedule now because of all the delays with it's gonna see but yeah we you were right when you point out we've heard dwayne johnson talk about we've heard hugh jackman talk about it we heard dave batista listen man once you get into your 50s it it becomes harder and harder and harder to maintain that kind of a physique that they're getting and i he's done it his whole life and i get it but you know what when the bell rings and you need to be cradles and then you you pull out the dumbbells again anyway guys question is for you what do you think about that and what do you think about that and what do you think about that this dave batista has kind of been answering the questions showing he's still got a couple of months to go but he's getting himself back into fighting shape here how are you feeling about batista's casting now that we've had a chance to live with it for a little while and what do you think about the images whatever you guys think jump down into the comment section below and let us know your thoughts all right guys with that down let's move on to this you know one of the stories in the movie world this year obviously is the odyssey and what a huge triumph it is it's now past 1 1.55 billion dollars at the box office now and by the way guys they just announced they're extending its imax 70 millimeter run wow they're going to extend it because they're still selling out a lot of the screenings not all though yeah but they're still selling out a lot of the screenings which is which is really interesting now of course one of the names that had a lot of people talking about being in it and played sin in the film is of course elliot page and you would think coming off of a 1.5 billion dollar film that that would mean that the work must be rolling in but according to elliot page good canadian kid by the way born in the same city that i was born in born in halifax nova scotia the same city i was born in uh elliot page but elliot page is saying he's not getting any offers as a matter of fact the headline of friday reads elliot page is not really getting casting calls after the odyssey if somebody wants to call me i'd love to do good work the paragraph reads this elliot page has never felt more comfortable on screen finding the right role however has proven to be more difficult during his appearance in the on film with kevin mccarthy podcast elliot revealed he hasn't been able to find another great role after starring in the odyssey or any role which hits theaters which hit theaters in july the actor revealed he's had he has no roles currently lined up now as a matter of fact when I go over and take a look at pages, items, IMDB page, the only thing he's got listed as upcoming is a voice in an animated film. I've never heard of that currently doesn't have any other cast listed. Um, and, and that's it. Now we are talking about, I want us to remember, we are not talking about just some scrub. This is an award-winning actor, even at the Academy Awards nominated for an Academy Award has won multiple acting awards across the spectrum and has been in a lot of big projects, worked multiple times with Christopher Nolan. So the question would have to come up. Why then would this award-winning Christopher Nolan favorite not get any acting offers, especially after coming out of the Odyssey? Well, look, let me acknowledge right up front. This is an uncomfortable conversation. It just is. I'm like, I'm not like, we all know it, right? We all know it. So I might as well just say it. And we all acknowledge this is a bit of an uncomfortable conversation, but it's, it's one that needs to be brought up. And I have a theory and I don't know that anybody's going to like my theory, but it is my theory nonetheless. And as I often say, it's often lonely being right, whether I'm right or wrong. I think the main reason that Elliot Page does not have more stuff lined up is because Elliot Page, I believe, is the new Tim Tebow. Now, for those of you who do not follow sports, Tim Tebow was a very popular Florida quarterback, won national championships. I believe, I believe Tebow won the Heisman Trophy as well. One NFL analyst put it, Tim Tebow was good enough to be a starting quarterback on one or two NFL teams, not many of them. He was definitely good enough to be a backup quarterback on most teams, and he was absolutely good enough to be a third-string quarterback on any team. But no team wanted the circus that came along with Tim Tebow. They just didn't want all that circus environment that would come along, that would distract the team from what they were trying to do, all that kind of stuff. And so, if Tim Tebow had been a bonafide superstar, it might have been different. But they just ultimately said, we don't want the circus that comes with it. Well, let's look at Elliot Page. And by the way, all that was none of Tim Tebow's fault. Tim Tebow just went out there and played football. In the same way, we come now to Elliot Page, who, through no fault of his own, unfortunately, because of some less-than-desirable elements in our society, wherever Elliot goes, a circus is going to follow, through no fault of Elliot's. And we saw that firsthand with the Odyssey. Because despite the fact that it was arguably, the greatest filmmaker of our generation, arguably, despite the fact that, you know, it's this celebrated tale, all kind of stuff, the dark, cancer-filled corners of the internet could do nothing but talk about one black girl and two Elliot Page. So desperate to make up Rage Bait, they even made up this thing that Elliot was playing Achilles, which had no basis, in fact, but it became fun. It became fun for them to say it because it was easy to Rage Bait on that, so they made up this whole thing. And unfortunately, a lot of the attention wasn't on the movie going into its release. It was on Elliot Page. And the circus is that created. Now, one might say, and rightfully so, well, John, didn't seem to hurt the Odyssey, because the Odyssey still made $1.5 billion, and true enough, but not any other movie has the benefit of being a Christopher Nolan film, which insulated it from a lot of the other stuff. And my theory here, guys, is that I think there are filmmakers, particularly producers, who sink years into trying to bring a project to fruition, raise or spend tens of millions of dollars into getting a thing made, and they're trying to make a product, and they're trying to position it for the best chance of success, and they simply look at it and think, if I cast Elliot Page, it's just going to create a lot of circus around my film, and I'm not Christopher Nolan, and it's probably going to hurt my film through no fault of Elliot Page's. And so, yeah, especially coming out of a big hit like the Odyssey, I just think, and listen, I don't, I don't fault the producers, and I don't fault the studios or the filmmakers. Their number one responsibility has to be the film. The film, I don't fault anybody, any filmmaker for that. Your prior, you are not here to give opportunities to different, no, no, you're here to service the movie and to do what is best for the movie and to put the movie, especially as a producer, to put the movie in its best position for success. And unfortunately, because of some of the dark sides of our culture, I think the rationale is, if I'm a producer and I'm making this $50 million film, and Elliot Page is one of the potentials we have for the role, I can understand their apprehension to reach out or audition, let alone cast Elliot Page, because it could bring that unwelcome shitstorm with it that, again, a lot of the cancerous elements of our society will want to remove. And I think that's a good thing. We'll want to bring along with it. And then the temptation then becomes to say, well, those producers should just have some balls and put Elliot in it every way. Oh, that's easy for you to say when it's not your money and it's not your career and it's not something that you've invested years of your life into and you desperately need to succeed. That's easy for us. Like, I've said this before, guys, every single person on earth is the world's foremost expert on how other people should succeed. On how other people should spend their money. Absolute world-class experts, everyone, on how other people should spend their money. So I get the temptation to say that, but at the end of the day, though, this just leaves it as a really sucky situation for Elliot Page. Again, an award-winning performer who has done nothing but deliver good work and has been in films that have had massive success and yet, through no fault of their own, but other than the pettiness and small-mindedness, of some people in our culture, has found themselves in this position and put the producers in this position as well. So that's my theory. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm not saying it's fair or unfair. I'm just saying that's the theory about why I think this situation is. Anyway, Chris, you look at this. We're going to talk about Gal Gadot in a minute here who still ends up getting some work and yet somebody who could act absolute circles around Gadot not getting any. What was your first thought when you saw the headline and what theory do you have maybe about why they're not getting the work maybe they deserve? Yeah, I don't want to dismiss all the points you brought up, John, because they're obvious real point elephant in the room stuff you can't ignore and just hang your heads in the cloud and go, I have no idea why they wouldn't and stuff. But I also attribute this to just being one of those enigmas of Hollywood where you could be a star or a big character in a large film and sometimes your career goes nowhere from that. I'm thinking of some stars in recent years like Miles Catton from Sinners. You look at his IMD page, nothing coming up, no work on it. And he was amazing in that movie and you would think he'd have tons of roles lining up. I remember whenever the live-action Aladdin came out and the main star of that, who I'm probably going to butcher their name. Yeah, the lead kid, yep. Yeah, I believe that was a billion-dollar film if not a very successful, big, decently well-received compared to the other live-action movies. And he came out, months later, saying, like, I haven't gotten any job offers. I haven't gotten any work. Yeah, I think I only ever saw him on some, like, romantic comedy Hey, our ride's almost here. Are you ready? Just grabbing my shoes. That's what you said ten minutes ago. I just wrapped a video call, uploading this giant file on my tablet, looking at my watch cool bananas with the group chat, and, of course, still lining up tonight's playlist on my phone. All at once? Yep. Story of my life. That's why I switched to T-Mobile. 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And it just looked like a bad YouTube short video. Like, I'm like, how are you going to make this and Damian Lewis is the actor's name. Thank you, guys, in the live chat. I came up with that. Damian Lewis is the co-star, which, by the way, how do you have Damian Lewis, who I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's won Emmys. The very least has been nominated for Emmys. So, Jonathan, maybe you can look that up for me if Damian Lewis has actually won any Emmys. But I think he did. Anyway, at the very minimum, I know he was nominated. How do you have him in this? And he's not even on the poster. You literally have an award-winning actor in this thing and you don't have him on the poster. You do not hire him. You're just highlighting Gal Gadot, who can't act. And again, it just kind of looks like this. Anyway, Chris, I know this is probably on your top five most anticipated films of the year. Any surprise? He is a Emmy award-winning. He is? He did win Emmy. Okay, yeah. Lead actor in a drama series. For Homeland, right? Was it for Homeland or was it for Billions? Okay. So anyway, Chris, what do you think about this when you're reading? Any surprise when you're reading these reviews? Honestly, no. From the trailer, it seemed like, yeah, this definitely belongs straight to streaming. Really don't have much to say about it. It's not a movie I'm going to be rushing to check out or sit down and watch. Even the ones that I know probably won't be a good time. And it's rare to just want to put on something from streaming. I'd like to know the stats of between the streaming services, especially with Prime. But in terms of movies that get well-received and people actually watch with Gal Gadot, it's an interesting case because, I mean, she's Wonder Woman and that definitely catapulted her and made her a familiar face to where there's a comfort in watching her face on a thumbnail of like a stream. I'm like, I'll pop that on. That might be decent. And no, even the audiences, I was going through some of the audience reviews as you were going there. And yeah, people were not happy with this. I really don't have much else to say. Yeah, I, again, I, I just, it's unfortunate. It is, it is what it is. Cause I mean, I remember thinking, I remember when she was going to star, they announced she was going to star in Death on the Nile. And I'm like, okay, you're working with Kenneth Branagh. You're going to have an incredible cast around you. Chris Pine in the Wonder Woman films was able to elevate her a little bit. Like when she was without Chris Pine, you can really notice it. But, and I thought that, I thought Death on the Nile was like the opportunity. That was the opportunity to really show that you could step forward, that you can make some real gains, that you can grow, that you can be better and all that kind of stuff. And she was terrible in that movie, man. She was terrible in it. And she's not so much acting as pretending. Yeah. And not well, and not well, by the way, that, that, that Instagram girl, when she does, when she does Gal Gadot from Snow White. It's pretty spot on. Her Snow White stuff is so, so spot on, so bad. Oh, and again, it sucks. Cause I think there wouldn't be anybody in this business that I would cheer for as much as her, because again, every damn thing, I keep waiting for her to be stupid. And she's just not, she's charming and she's delightful and she seems incredibly likable. And I, I, oh man, I wish she could have turned, developed into something bigger. Anyway, guys, question is for you. What do you think? What do you think about this? Uh, Gal Gadot's new movie, the runner, not to be confused with just runner, which also does not look any good at all. That other one, uh, with Alan Richen and Owen Wilson, that does not, that looks worse to be honest with you, but, and I love both those guys, but what do you think about surprise to see these reviews? Whatever you guys think, jump on down to the comments section below and let me know your thoughts. All right, guys, with that down, we thought we would play ourselves a little game today of overreaction. The way overreaction works is really simple. We jumped onto the YouTube channel a little bit earlier, and we asked you guys in the community tab to send in some of your hottest of hot takes. We gathered up some of your hot takes. Jonathan's got them all gathered up in front of him there. He's going to go through them. And then Chris and I will adjudicate whether your hot take is an overreaction or not an overreaction. So Jonathan, what do we got up first? All right, Chris, we're going to start with you. This comes from Corbin's video page. Is this an overreaction? Obsession will be nominated for Best Picture by the Academy. I actually don't think it is an overreaction. I'm starting to see it more and more. It could all obviously not happen, but I just, I think the Oscars sometimes also about acknowledging cultural impact, and you can't deny what the Obsession has done this year. And again, it's been months now, and it's still a topic of headlines sometimes for good or bad, you know, with the, the case you talked about it yesterday with them being sued, but it's still, and now they're pushing for that Oscar campaign. I don't know how well the Andy Richter campaign is going to go for them. But aside from that, I, I could see it happening. Yeah, I, I'm going to definitively say this is not an overreaction. As a matter of fact, I expect it to be dominated for now. Now, granted, if, if we were still living in the era where the Academy only nominated five films instead of ten, and then maybe, I think it's going to get there because it was a surprise hit. I think it's going to get there because it deserves it. I really do think it is one of the, I think it will end up being one of the ten best films of the year. Now, once I see the rest of the films that are coming out this year, maybe I'll change my mind. But right now in a vacuum, I think it's a film that deserves to be nominated for Best Picture. It ain't going to win, nor should it, but I think it's in a universe where we get ten nominees and it's going to be nominated for Best Picture. If we get ten nominees, I absolutely think it's going to get it. So I'm going to call this one not an overreaction. All right, Jonathan, what do we got up next? All right, we got a must team here. John Avengers Doomsday would not have as much hype as it has now. If any other actor was playing Doom besides Robert Downey Jr. Absolutely not an overreaction. Listen, I remember that we had this big debate and I kept having to slap my heads because words, the English language matters. And I remember when they cast Robert Downey Jr. Not everybody had to like the casting. That's fine. I think there's some legitimate concerns to have about the casting of Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom. Absolutely. But I remember I would get into these big debates with people who called the casting desperate. And I'm like, are you literate? Like, do you? Understand the English language? Do you know what desperate desperate is when you have no good options and you have to go with an unlikely to work, probably going to fail bad option because it's the only option you have. That's what desperate is going to your number one superstar who the fans love to see in the universe and would make the audience go crazy. You may think is a. Bad idea, and that's fair, but you're just illiterate if you call it a desperate idea because it's one that was clearly going to work, at least in terms of getting the audience and the juices going and the excitement building and the hype mounting. And absolutely look, Chris, I do think that even if they cast somebody else's Dr. Doom, would the world be excited about Avengers Doomsday? Yes. But the question is, would it be as hyped? If it was somebody other than Robert Junior, Robert Downey Jr. And the answer to that is no, no. For good or for ill, whether it works out or not, we'll find out when we actually see the movie. But this was a stroke of genius and the reaction to it, the way it exploded online and everybody talked about it. Yeah, it is. It is not an overreaction. Might not be a good idea, but it's not an overreaction to say that there wouldn't be as much hype as it was if it was anybody other than Robert. Dr. Downey Jr. I don't know, Chris, how do you see it? Yeah, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say it is no reaction because I don't know if I'd use the word hype as much more than intrigue or curiosity. I think we would still have a level of hype and excitement and wanting to see this. And I think just doing itself, I remember the 30 seconds when we found out it was doom and then we found out it was our DJ. That hype was there. That excitement was there, but it's like, oh, my God, every now that's a big bad we can get behind instead of this gang. And. And it was there and then the RDJ turned it into like, oh, now I wonder how that'll play. So to me, I think it would have his hype. I think it's a more question of like it is a curiosity now and an intrigue. But you're not wrong for thinking the way you are, John. All right. What do we got up next? All right, Chris, we're going to stick with you. Is this an overreaction from William Crook? Lanterns is better than anything than any MCU Disney show. Oh. As much as I'm loving lanterns right now, I think for now i'm gonna have to say it's an overreaction three episodes in i i remember even not saying it was anywhere near but i remember even liking first two episodes into secret invasion but i was not ready for the whiplash i had when that's that show finally came to a close and how awful as a whole it came out so not saying it will but lanterns could still you know poop the bed these next couple of episodes it could get progressively worse uh three episodes in it's definitely up there uh to me as good but i don't know if i could say it is better than anything uh these uh the mcu has done yet yeah look i i am all on i'm all in on lanterns i i think this show is brilliant so far and chris you you raised the billion dollar point we're only three episodes in and listen i've seen a lot of shows uh that start off great with one or two you know i've seen a lot of shows that start off great with one or two that start off great with one or two sometimes three episodes and then like go off the cliff disney plus shows marvel disney plus shows have often been guilty of that as a matter of fact but but three episodes in i can't sit here and say that this is better than wandavision now do i think it has the potential if it keeps up this clip to be better than anything that marvel has put out on disney plus yeah it has the potential but three up not even halfway through the season i i think it's way way premature to say that so maybe we can ask the question again in about five or six weeks but for right now i'm gonna have to go along with chris and i'm going to agree that that's for now that's an overreaction all right jonathan what do we got him next all right john is this an overreaction uh we'll hear from pg sadie sink is the biggest star to come from stranger things that's an overreaction that that's a that's that's a big overreaction because what has she done since stranger things i mean she was a third or fourth cast list member of a huge spider-man film and she was great in it i thought she was wonderful in it and then she's done a couple of little small things now could she be could she end up being the biggest star to come out of stranger things oh yeah yeah that can happen 100 but as of right now and i'm sorry i'm freezing on 11's name um millie bobby brown millie bobby brown like i'm sorry but as of right now millie bobby brown has clearly had the biggest and most successful career out of anybody coming out of stranger things so far by the way david harbour i guess it has to be in that conversation too yeah definitely and also for speaking musically there are a couple of people that have bands uh gosh i can't remember his name now but he was the the oldest guy uh steve he played steve right yeah his band is huge like they sell out the greek theater so if you're talking musically he's a big star then you know yeah i think i think they mean acting wise though i mean i don't know what they're talking about so yeah look i i think you gotta say i think right now it's it's it's not even really close put the resumes beside each other right now put the post stranger things resumes beside each other right now millie bobby brown is the bigger star but let's ask that question again in two years sure and that could totally be different because i'll be honest i think sadie sink's the better actress i do like no hate intended for millie bobby brown i but i think sadie sink is the better actress and so i think she will be but right now i think it's an overreaction to say she is currently the biggest star to come out of uh stranger things because that's that's clear that crown clearly belongs i think at any rate to millie bobby brown chris what do you think no yeah when i saw that question i was i i thought big overreaction as well because it sure she was great in spider-man and it's a big film and she's definitely on the path to having a pretty uh nice career and it's a conversation we could better have uh like five seven years right but also even then as i started thinking well who do i consider them the biggest star if not sadie as of right now and i think it really depends on your metric of what stardom is i i understand why you would say millie bobby brown but you know a lot of her stardoms have been stardom straight to streaming stuff and then you look at someone like finn wolfhard uh who's had a lot of theatrical uh films that he's been in big ip films from the it franchise ghostbusters and he even just i think co-directed a movie now and and like that then you have david harbour who's also similar joseph quinn fantastic joseph quinn fantastic four so it's like there's actually i think there's a real debate you could have about uh who it is and i wouldn't put sadie sink up there just yet all right we got time for one more here jonathan what's our last one well we're in luck because we got one more uh chris is this an overreaction from anthony hernandez dune 3 first weekend box office will outgross the odyssey's first weekend box office yeah i don't i don't think that's a no reaction yeah opening was 123 123 and dune part 2 i think had 85 opening weekend you see it's tough because with a third film the trajectory could go either way in terms of like a little bit more maybe even a little bit less so but i don't think it is an overreaction there's a lot of hype built up but there are some factors going against it like with the doomsday that's just it's just going to eat away at it whether we like it or not and and but i don't think it's an overreaction i'm saying i'm gonna say as somebody who dune 3 is easily all dune 3 is easily my most anticipated film of the year i think this is an overreaction because we're asking dune 3 to jump 50 percent more than 50 percent of its dune 2 opening weekend that's a big ask now granted it's going to be riding some of that uh dune's day momentum 100 percent it's going to be riding that imax momentum because it's got it's sold out all of its imax screenings and stuff like that that's going to be a part i think dune part 3 will absolutely have a bigger opening weekend than dune part 2 2 did i think we're going to see that but to jump more than 50 and to make over 125 million which is the neighborhood that the odyssey came in i think dune 3 will be the better film i think it's the film i'm looking forward to the most but it also is what it is and i i mean listen i would love guys to sit here on december what 20th and say see the opening weekend box office numbers and find out i was wrong i would love i would love to see dune 3 come in with like 130 million dollar opening but i again that's just too big of a jump over what part 2 was and part 2 was already a huge jump from part 1 so i'm gonna say it having a bigger opening weekend again i think it'll be the better film but it having a bigger opening weekend the odyssey i'm i'm gonna sit on that's an overreaction all right guys and that will wrap up today's session of overreaction thank you so much to everybody who sent in your hot takes for us to adjudicate appreciate that keep your eyes open on the youtube channel for the next time we put out a call for submissions and maybe you'll see your hot take featured on the next round of overreaction all right guys with that down let's move on to this well obviously we were just talking about uh avengers uh doomsday and something kind of big came up at least on the surface in some headlines recently you've probably seen a lot of people talking about how did you hear that they didn't even have a script for doomsday when they started shooting did you hear they had a script for doomsday and they didn't even have a script for doomsday and they didn't even have a script for doomsday and they didn't even have a script for doomsday and did you hear they had no script which was of course preposterous but but then some other people say well i heard they didn't even have a finished script by the time they started shooting well a lot of credibility just got given to that by the directors themselves as this written in variety avengers doomsday shot without a finished script but co-director joe russo says we always view the screenplay as a living organism this is what they wrote over there avengers doomsday going into production without to finish script did not phase directors joe and anthony russo as the former recently told the associated press we'll always view the script as a living organism we're improvisation based rehearsal based directors joe maintained we like to see what the actors bring to the characters and sometimes you don't get the actors until a few days or a few weeks before you shoot them and a lot of time that's when the magic happens all right now a lot of this is not completely surprising because i mean when you look at joe and anthony russo's background i mean these this came out of community all right like everything that they're describing is exactly something that would come out of community you know where it would be rehearsal based all that kind of stuff really seeing when you got the characters who are the the the actors who are the stewards of their characters come in and nobody knows those characters better than the actors do so they come in and they throw their stuff in on their stuff i totally totally get it i really do but here's the thing as we as movie fans often do we take a crumb of truth and bake it into a loaf of nonsense. The crumb of truth here is that, yes, there were incomplete parts of the script. The loaf of nonsense is this notion that they didn't know where the movie was going or they didn't have a script. Guys, be very, very clear about this. When they say they're improvisational and they're working with the actors, it's not like they didn't know what was going to happen. Well, gosh, I mean, we weren't going to have Chris Evans come back as Captain America, but then when we were ad-libbing this scene between the Wakandans and the Fantastic Four, one of the actors just said, well, you know, we just recently met Steve Rogers. And then the Russos went, what? Oh my gosh, I guess we- 20 million dollars. I guess we got to go out and get Chris Evans to come back now. When people read that, they create this vision in their head about like, well, let's just show up with the cameras and then we'll figure out what the movie does. Guys, listen, I have been on set of Marvel movies, okay? A couple of them at any rate. I've been on set of a bunch of different movies too. And when they talk about incomplete script, believe it when I tell you that they had every single plot detail all mapped out. They knew exactly what was coming next. They know exactly what happens in the next scene and they know exactly how the film ends. All that is clearly laid out in the outline. All right? The first drafts, that's all there. When they talk about an incomplete script, they're talking about fog of war dialogue. When I say fog of war, those of you who've played Warcraft, you know what I'm talking about or any types of games like that. Fog of war is okay. There's a section of the map that you can't quite see yet. That's fine. But they know, the map is there. They know where the story is going. They just don't know exactly how the dialogue is going to work out in the scene. That's all. And for guys coming out of a background like community, what they like to do in coming up with that dialogue is they tend to have a preference to try to come up with it organically. So they'll have an idea. We know, hey, this scene, the point is this. It's got to end at this point. That's going to lead into this other thing. So let's go. And they're simply doing some improvisation of the dialogue. This is not an issue of that they didn't know what was going to happen in the story. It's not an issue that they didn't know what comes up next. It's not an issue of they started filming without even knowing how the movie ends. It is exclusively and only about some fog of war dialogue. It's about letting the actors improvise some dialogue and come up with some banter. Had nothing to do with the story. Had nothing to do with the narrative. Has nothing to do with the main anchor points throughout the movie. It just has to do with some of the interaction and the dialogue. Now, look, as a fan, am I more comfortable thinking that you have an absolutely buttoned up, ready to go, word for word, punctuation and all, finished script? Yes, I'm more comfortable with that. But for guys who come out of a background like something like Community, like the Russos, if that's how they like to use their actors, and when you have actors, like a Chris Evans, like a Chris Hemsworth, you have an actor like a Florence Pugh or an actor like Robert Downey Jr., you give them a little bit of wiggle room to get in there and play around a little bit and see what works and see what sticks. So, listen, I just think this is being made a much bigger issue out of than it actually is. And so, yeah, I think the headline is right. They started filming without, by the definition, completed script, but the outline was completed. All the scenes were structured. They knew exactly where everything was going. They just were letting the actors improvise some of what the dialogue was going to be, and that's about it. Anyway, Chris, you read this headline. It's not what I'm comfortable with. I'm not comfortable with that approach in filmmaking, but they're the directors. They got to do what's right for them. What is it you've heard the most coming out of this? What was your first impression when you heard about it? And what's your take on this overall? Yeah, well, like most, as you see the headline, and then you get the immediate scare, because you go, oh, that's a red flag. It's not showing good. It's not a completed script. But then you actually click the article. You read the details, and it went from fear to, oh, okay, that kind of intrigued me then. If anything, I like this collaboration process that the Russos do, because, like you were mentioning, you have a lot of great actors at the helm, and the big thing with Doomsday is a lot of veteran actors in these roles, and to allow them to give them that sort of input into how they feel their character would respond, what they would say or something, I think does lend for more natural performance, a more true-to-character performance in there. And so, yeah, just like you said, all the important key story details are locked down, and they're not just making it up as they go. To me, also, I think some people bring this up, because James Gunn was kind of adamant whenever with his DCU about, like, well, we have finished scripts, and not like we did it over there. And so this, like, also, opened the door to some credibility, like, oh, I guess James Gunn's telling the truth about the way they do things, but it's a form of process that they do that works best for the Russo brothers. So, yeah, it's one of those situations I don't think is to worry all too much about. But, I mean, we've seen it all in other situations where this type of improvisation maybe does get out of whack. I remember one of the early rumors was with the Phil Lord and Chris Miller with the Han Solo movie. I remember one of the early reports was, like, there's too much improvisation, and Star Wars, I think, was very strict on, like, you know, you can't just say willy-nilly things, like, we have a set universe and things, so I remember that was one of the times where it was, like, a lot of improvisation didn't work out well for them, but in this situation, I didn't see just too much to worry about. Another great example of that, too, is Jon Favreau's first Iron Man movie. Right? Like, with the first Iron Man, he just knew he wanted to get in the room with Robert Downey Jr. and just let Robert Downey Jr.'s personality come out and let that kind of be a part of it. Now, again, it's not what I'm comfortable with, and it's only something I think you can really do when you have the guys in the director chairs who have already done Civil War, Winter Soldier, Infinity War, Endgame, with actors they have easy second-hand with working with guys like Chris Evans, guys like Chris Hemsworth, guys like Robert Downey Jr., and you have a room of that caliber of people, I think you can only do it in these types of situations. And again, they did have a script, guys. They wouldn't even know where to go to shoot if they didn't have a script. They 100% had a script. 100%. That was totally laid out. It just was some gaps left in there for dialogue improvisation. But again, it's not what I'm comfortable with. And I think if the movie sucks, which I don't think it will, but if the movie sucks, this is a big piece of meat they're just giving everybody to feed on. Right? Like, if we get to December 18th and we're all coming out of the movie theater, like people coming out of the. Oh, what was the name of that damn Star Wars movie now? Not The Force Awakens, The Phantom Menace. That was a great one. Yeah, I remember people coming out of that movie theater Oh, no. taking off their Jedi robes. I mean, this was all over the news. Taking off their Jedi robes and burning them on the sidewalk. I mean, let's say that's what happens with Doomsday, right? Like, everybody hates Doomsday. It's terrible, right? Again, I don't think that's going to happen. But if it does, this just became a big target for everybody to point at and say, well, it's Russo Brothers' fault for not going in with an absolutely buttoned up dialogue and all the script yet. So, I mean, I don't know. Again, I'm not going to panic about it. Because it is the Russo Brothers. It is these actors. They all have shorthand with each other. They all know what they're doing. And it's just dialogue. So, we'll. What they've done has worked. So, we'll see. Anyway. Guys, question is for you. Apparently, contrary to what James Gunn wants to do, which is going to every project, but don't even announce a project until you have a completed script. The Russo Brothers, they knew the story. They knew exactly what was going to happen. But they left some gaps in there with kind of an incompleted script and started shooting with it. Work with their actors to improvise a little bit. Do you think that's the right move? Do you think they're going to have success with it? Are you really worried about it? Are you not worried about it at all? Whatever you guys think, jump down to the comment section below and let us know your thoughts. And all right, guys. That wraps up all the topics that we have. So, it's time for us to move into the main part of our show, of course, taking your live comments and questions. But before we do that, we're going to bid good afternoon to the man, the myth, the legend, 3C Films himself, Chris Parker. Chris, thanks again for being here, man. Great as always. We'll talk to you again next week. Yeah, big pleasure. See you guys then. And, of course, our technical director, Jonathan Vojko. Jonathan, we'll talk to you tomorrow. One more day till Friday. See you guys tomorrow. All right, guys. With that all down and said, let's now move on and start taking your live comments and questions. Now, just so you know, I have, indeed, turned off the super chats. I should have turned them off earlier because a hell of a lot of super chats came in so let me just make sure i've got them all loaded up here give me one moment and we'll be ready to roll and roll we shall okay let's get things kicked off here and we are kicking things off here with harsh who writes knowing that ann is a potter head what was her reaction to the new hbo harry potter trailer she loved it a long time viewer from india thank you so much man please carry on for years yeah i mean i sent her she leaves for work at like seven in the morning so i sent her the link to the potter thing but she got home and i'm like what do you think of the potter trailer she goes i didn't want to watch it on my phone i want to watch it on our tv like great so we sat down and watched it she loved it um i loved it i mean yeah it was just a great trailer and she as a potter head she really really enjoyed it so thank you for asking harsh appreciate that uh mitch's geek corner writes what's your favorite scene in man of steel ooh uh oh one of two and oh just totally separate crush favorite scene in man of steel i mean i obviously i think man of steel is a masterpiece of the comic book genre i love the movie um i think it's got to be the one i'm always quoting like what am i mean i could sit here and list 20 that are among my favorites like uh like when zod makes the mistake to threaten clark's mom big mistake uh anyway but i honestly think one of the most favorite scenes in man of steel is the one where he's like the greatest the greatest scene in the movie and i think one of the one of the greatest scenes in any comic book movie is young clark saying can't we just keep pretending i'm your son and kevin costner who gives a hell of a performance takes him in his arms and says you are my son i i like i i still get choked up just thinking about that so that's my favorite scene in that movie uh mitch also writes do you think we will ever get an avengers versus x-men movie ever it's whenever you ask a question that uses the word ever in it you almost by default have to say yes i don't think anytime in the next five years but if you say ever well you have to go with the odds and say yes i mean i'm not expecting one anytime soon but ever somebody at some point probably take a swing at it mitch all right the refuge gene sends in a 20 super chat thank you refuge gene appreciate that man and the refuge gene writes so one of my favorite usernames by the way hey john uh don't directors operate under their own business and can work with any studio on a case by case yes so why was it a big deal about christopher nolan leaving wb if directors can work with different studios i think look because like anybody else you tend to work with who you're comfortable with right christopher nolan while not under any exclusive contract to warner brothers he liked to work with warner brothers he had a standing relationship with them he had good experiences making their and they had success not to mention warner brothers gave him his first real big break by giving him batman right by giving him the dark knight rises uh or giving him batman begins i should say and it just that's just where he chose to make his movies with and so when under the previous owner of warner brothers which was at&t remember this is before david zaslav and before the new ownership of warner brothers which was at&t remember this is before david zaslav and before the that's there currently they made the world's stupidest decision and decided to day and date all the movies on straight to streaming and that pissed off all the filmmakers including christopher nolan he said i'm not working with warner brothers again not working with warner brothers again and now then he went to universal and guess what they made oppenheimer so now he's not obligated to work with universal but he look i've had success and they are good to work with so he likes working with universal that's why he's not working with warner brothers again doesn't mean he's not going to make films with other studios doesn't mean he won't make another movie with warner brothers sometime but right now he likes making movies with universal so that's why you kind of see that with him but yeah different directors you can see them work with different studios all the time all right good question refugee sir z writes uh don john kudos to you for handing uh the magneto question with diplomacy seems like those with agendas are trying to trip you up uh no three three foot canadian has issue with a six foot aussie playing wolverine much love yeah i again i i i really don't understand people who are so desperate and these are my fellow fans i just don't understand a lot of my fellow fans so desperate to sacrifice a fundamental core piece of who and what magneto is by giving him superpowers that aren't a part of his character and has never been a part of his character all to maintain some small historical detail about him like i just don't get it like why are you trying to move heaven and earth to maintain a historical detail about him you know it reminds me of this i thought about this too the other day the holocaust is not pivotal to magneto in the sense because number one it was never a part of his origin story that wasn't something that they just kind of changed and threw in there decades after magneto had already been around like remember the that part of his story was never even introduced until 1981 they even changed it after that and then after that changed it back but here's a good comparison the holocaust isn't really what's important in the background of magneto's character what is important what what shapes the character was whichever human atrocity it was that a young magneto experienced the horrors of the worst kind of human atrocity now at the time the time appropriate one to do that the the appropriate timing at the time when they came up with it was the world war ii incident that was good timing that worked that fit so they use that as the human atrocity that shaped the way magneto then saw the world think of it like bad man um what is important to understanding batman is not if joe chill shot his parents in the alleyway that's not important it's not important that joe chill shot his parents what is important is that bruce witnessed his parents murdered in front of him in a dark alley that's the important part it's not whether it was joe chill it's not whether it was joe chill it's not whether it was it doesn't matter if it was just some remember that it's changed in the comic books a number of times who it is that shot him what sometimes it was just a random mugger representing that the crime of gotham had really taken over and it was just some random guy for much of many of the batman iterations it was just some unnamed random faceless guy in a random act of violence for many iterations they created a character named joe chill and then joe chill's motivations have also been changed sometimes joe chill was just that random guy in a random act of violence sometimes joe chill was a part of an organized hit so even the meaning behind the wayne's murder has changed right sometimes it was just a random mugging sometimes it was a part of an overall crime family hit so that's changed sometimes like in tim burton's movie it was the joker it was jack who killed his parents he ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight the thing is none of that's important to batman doesn't matter if it was the joker that killed his parents it doesn't matter if it was a faceless mugger that killed his parents it doesn't matter if it was joe chill that killed his parents it doesn't matter if it was just a random act of violence that killed his parents doesn't matter if it was a part of an organized crime hit that killed his parents they've changed it all the time what was important was that the thing that created and formed who bruce was was just that he witnessed his parents murdered in front of him in that dark alley why doesn't matter who did it doesn't matter you can interchange all those and you're still lived with the core meaning same is true of magneto it doesn't matter which horrible human atrocity that magneto had to go through that turned his heart against humanity it's just important that he goes through as a kid some horrible tragic human atrocity and when they created it world war ii was the good fitting thing that doesn't fit today in 2026 because magneto would have to be 100 years old so you come up with a different era it's not important just like who shot bruce's parents isn't important right so anyway i'll just leave it at that all right next up uh let's see where are we at here um we're at emmanuel who writes rumors are translating that maxima was just a code name and adria arjona will in fact be wonder woman and man of tomorrow well that that's been the rumor since the day they announced her that's nothing new that's nothing new uh making an appearance similar to super girls and superman hopefully it's true i hope it's not true i hope it's not true i i mean don't get me wrong i'm totally fine with arjona who is fantastic playing wonder woman totally fine with that i love the idea of her being maxima love it like look i'll be totally happy if she's playing wonder woman hell I'll be totally happy if she's playing Barbara Gordon, i mean i don't care the thing is arjona is such a good actress um again go watch her in andor man she's such a good actress and she's got that new thomas crown affair coming out too with michael b jordan that she looks really good in so that's fine but i'm i am actually i'm not gonna lie to you i'm more excited about the idea of her being maxima but yeah it's not these aren't new rumors those were rumors by the way they're unfounded rumors but those were rumors circulating the day they announced the day they announced those rumors have been around like that so this isn't anything new it's been around could it be true yeah i mean i i think she will end up being maxima but i i'm not gonna put any money on that i think it's totally possible that she's gonna play wonder woman as well i think that's a possibility but i kind of hope she's maxima because that's a left field curveball man and i think i think she'd be great as maxima again we'll also be totally happy so we'll see all right thanks for that emmanuel next up the refugee sends in another 20 super chat thank you so much man and the refugee writes street fighter sure looks a bit more cartoony than mortal kombat one and two but looks like they learned the lessons from mortal kombat one and are leaning into the fights and competition which could be a lot of fun curious in your thoughts i think the movie looks like garbage that's my thought i i think street fighter looks like absolute kindergarten level garbage that being said i thought the same thing for harley quinn how did that turn out today i passionately love harley quinn that's what i thought about peacemaker before it came out how did that turn out i love peacemaker and for both of those i thought they looked like they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i thought they looked like they had a lot of fun and i ended up loving and you look i as much as awful as i think the movie looks it's got some of my favorite people in it it's got some people in it i really like and so i'm gonna cheer for it i'm gonna cheer for it and um we'll see we'll we'll see what happens there all right thanks to that refugee and thank you again for supporting us on that level man this is really generous of you yakov writes uh what happened to the versus game on uh it's still there we just i just like the question i just prefer the questions that we get from people when we make it overreaction or um what's more likely uh i just thought i just found that we got more interesting submissions when we did those we will still versus will come up again versus will come up again at some point all right thomas p writes wonder man spider-man noir oh i'm i keep i forget about spider-man noir man i really like spider-man noir anyway and lanterns all great um do you think good doesn't cut it anymore i mean born again uh season two it was more matt versus fisk nothing new uh what do you think the reason for low viewership daredevil was never popular daredevil was never popular i think you know i've talked about this before as great as the netflix daredevil was back in the day i think we all overestimated how many people actually watched it and uh yeah daredevil born again season one and two i think is great i mean yeah you can say oh it's just him fighting fisk again who cares if it's great i mean what do you say about breaking bad just walt cooking drugs again same as the other seasons yeah if you want to oversimplify it like that i i guess you could put it that way just walt cooking again same thing right so um i mean yes it's matt versus fisk but it was great i i really think they've done a great job with born again season one and two almost to the same levels they did with netflix but i really just think ultimately daredevil was never as popular as a character as we've seen in season one and two so i think it's great i think it's great i think it's great we all kind of imagined it was so i don't know i mean that's just a theory i could be i don't know that definitively that's just my theory but uh yeah never know and by the way wonder man didn't have big numbers either wonder man did not have big numbers it's it's one of the best shows of the year but it didn't have great numbers so let's not pretend like it did it didn't so yeah we'll see all right good question though thomas next up christopher christopher brickner writes i like the last doomsday trailer confirmed the fantastic four have known doom for years i like doom having history with the fantastic four before he became a villain yeah i think i think that's good but again the intro the the very first act the first half of the first act the first half of the first half of the first act of doomsday is going to totally establish that the fantastic four and victor have a relationship um i don't want to say too much but it's it's yes and it all ties into by the way the post-credits scene of fantastic four when sue comes back into the room and doom is there with franklin it picked that will get picks picked up uh that will get picked up as well so um but yes i'm glad that the trailer kind of makes that definitive that he clearly knows victor like they're they're on a first name vic by the way that scene in that trailer oh when reed's yelling at him oh that's powerful stuff that's powerful stuff all right uh next up uh christopher also writes to me the best part of the last doomsday trailer was reed richards uh confronting dr doom and screaming answer me victor did you do this i know it's it's it's powerful dramatic stuff and when you see it in context of the movie it's going to be even more powerful it that scene's going to be even more powerful all right thanks for that christopher uh team kibuzles writes one of two hey john last week i bought avengers oh endgame encore tickets for imax cineplex canceled the show time and is refunded due to scheduling uh weekend imax now sold out oh that sucks um i know imax dictates what goes on screens but how can a company sell tickets for something they don't have a contract for any ideas i don't think that was the case i really do think schedules got moved i think something happened schedules got moved it's not a matter of cineplex isn't going to sell tickets to something they don't have the right to sell tickets to all right i have my criticisms of cineplex believe me i have my criticisms of cineplex um but they're not going to just sell tickets something they don't have a right to sell clearly there was a changing of of a direction that they and imax wanted to go something changed and to accommodate that change they had to cancel the screening i've had screenings canceled it doesn't it happens very very very rarely in movie going but it does happen where they just sometimes decide to make a programming change and they refund the tickets and they move on so it sucks when it happens but it does happen from time to time all right sorry that happened to you team kibuzles all right next up uh brendan sends in a $20 super chat thank you brendan and brendan writes what do you think about the fact that flanagan said uh the clay face script changed so much that it's basically not his pitch script and that he doesn't consider himself the writer of the movie anymore does it concern you i don't know that he's actually said that okay so let me let me be very clear i'm saying i don't know but i've seen some places suggest that and then when i looked up the actual quote that wasn't what he was actually saying uh now you could be referring to the script and then he's referring to something else or some other interview but i again i've seen over the past couple of months some people like say that uh flanagan said this i'm like really and then when i went and read the actual thing that he said it didn't line up with what they were presenting now again that's not to say that you didn't read something different maybe yes maybe no but like to me it's just a matter writers can be kind of prissy and i say that knowing a number of writers who who have called themselves that okay just to be clear um in the sense like like george rr martin right like george rr martin recently went on a big hissy fit talking about night of the seven i think it was night of the seven kingdoms yeah night of the seven kingdoms when or was it night of seven kings or was it um house of the dragon but at any rate he went off on this big thing a long time ago it's not this isn't even my thing anymore ah blah blah and then ultimately when you found out what it was they changed it was really rather minor but he threw he got his like little boxers all stuffed up his pucker hole with a pencil whistle and got all sissy about it. It's like, it's not even my thing. And it was like a minor change. So look, number one, I don't even know that that's what Mike Flanagan actually said. I'm saying, I don't know, but the times I've seen other people suggest it, I looked up the source and that's not what he said, but maybe you're, you're reading for something that I haven't seen yet. But even if it was, I re when writers say that, I really don't take it as much. James Gunn kind of said pretty clearly that Clayface is absolutely structured around the script that Mike Flanagan wrote and Mike Flanagan script is why they even greenlit it. So I'm sure they made some changes. I'm a hundred percent sure they would. That's what adaptation is, but we'll see what happens when the movie comes out. All right. Thanks for that, Brendan. Next up. Let's see. Emmanuel writes, the thought of seeing John interact with Superman and even Mr. Terrific is so exciting. Uh, what we saw in lanterns, brings new depth to Guy's decision in Superman really elevates his character. I'm still really fascinated, fascinated now more than ever before to find out. And I think we're going to find out in the next episode or two, how does Guy end up with Hal's ring? By the way, I still don't think Hal is dead. I got nothing to back that up with other than that's just my theory. I could be wrong. Who cares? But yeah, my theory is I S I still don't think Hal's dead. Maybe I'll change my mind in the next couple episodes, but I still don't think he's dead anyway. So I'm going to be really curious to see how they handle this whole thing. And are they going to have two green lanterns in the universe? If they ever bring Kyle Rainer in, are we going to have three green lanterns in the universe? It's going to be interesting to see where they go with this. All right. Lord Zuko writes, uh, love Lithgow, but he doesn't work for me as Dumbledore. Oh, I a hundred percent disagree. I think you're dead wrong on that. I, your opinion is no less valid than mine. I'm just saying. Mine is totally different than yours. He totally works as Dumbledore. And by the way, you've only seen two lines of dialogue from him. So I, I would take a breath. I would also take a breath and not get too excited about it. I just love the casting because he is a, one of the world's great actors. I mean, he's a, he's a, like literally a universal level kind of actor. So he's going to be, I believe he's going to be great as Dumbledore, but don't get too invested in after seeing two lines of dialogue. I wouldn't get too excited about it. I think he's going to be great as Dumbledore. But I think he's going to be a great Dumbledore. All right. Uh, thought new rights. Have you ever read the script for Chronicle two? I never did. I love the original Chronicle loved it. Like I was so over found footage movies that was all started by the Blair witch project. And then all of a sudden there were 50 found footage movies. And I didn't even want to see Chronicle because it's just yet another found footage, but I loved Chronicle and I wanted to see another one. Now it fell apart for various reasons, but no, I never did read. I don't even know for sure that they, that even completed a script for the second one. I think he did, but no, I, I, I never read it. All right. Mitch writes, even my mom is watching lanterns and she doesn't keep up with anything in that world. Listen, that one of the neat things about lanterns is when they came out and said that it was going to be true detective in the DC universe. I'm like, sure. Sure. It is like, it'll probably have like a mystery or something, but it's, it's not going to feel like true detective. It feels like true detective. It actually really, they delivered. It feels like true detective in a DC universe. And I'm incredibly impressed with it, Mitch. All right. Next up everything movies rights. I think doomsday being filmed without a written script is totally fine. And it was filmed with a written script, just some gaps of dialogue that they let the actors improvise. It absolutely had a fully fleshed out script. Okay. Uh, the Russo's do what their films do that with their films, especially the big superhero crossovers. They said, this doesn't concern me at all. It concerns me a little bit, but again, keep in mind the outline, the structure of the story, all that stuff was in stone and on a page. Otherwise they wouldn't even know what location to go to, to shoot a scene. It was all there. The only part that they left ambiguous was, was some dialogue to let the actors improvise. The actors did not improvise the story. They didn't make up the story as they were going along. They already had the story. It was just a matter of letting them improvise some dialogue. Now, again, if there's anybody I'm going to trust with that, it's this group. It still does make me a little bit nervous. I'm not going to lie, but again, it's, it's mitigated a bit by the fact that it is these people and they've had a lot of success doing it that way. All right. Thanks for that. Everything. Next up troll, again, sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you so much. Watchman. And he writes, John, I finally watched the Mandalorian. Oh, you mean Mandalorian movie. And my God, how the F did you sit through that crap multiple times? The most boring movie of all time. No story, no mystery, weakest fights ever. How did you not fall asleep? Well, my buddy Ryan, who went on that movie meetup tour with us when we saw, um, Mandalorian five times did fall sleep a number of times through the movie. It is, let's be clear though. It is not the most boring movie of all time. I've, I've seen many movies more boring than the Mandalorian. The Mandalorian was boring, but it was not anywhere near the most boring movie of all time. Some of the action was okay. Um, like the whole opening action sequence, when he's breaking into that Hoth world kind of former Imperial base and taken out the, that was, that was a pretty good sequence. That was pretty good. It's not a good movie. Not a good movie. Yeah. Uh, and again, I, I was never really clear on what the wisdom was and even making that as a movie. I just never understood it. And yeah, it totally played out that way, unfortunately. Anyway, thanks for that intro again. And thank you for supporting us on that level, man. Appreciate it. All right. Next up Draco also sends in a $20 super chat Draco. Thank you, man. Appreciate that dude. And Draco writes, what are your thoughts on the lie? Oh, okay. I'm not really going to answer your question. I'm going to answer your question. I'm going to answer your question because I've already got this on the topic list for tomorrow. So we're going to talk about in depth tomorrow, but I'll finish reading your question. What are your thoughts on the live action Dungeons and Dragons TV series that is in the works at Netflix? Apparently it's based on Raven loft storyline. I really liked the Baldur's gate three game and the D and D movie from 2023. I look, I'll, I'll just say that by the way, did you see who's behind it? Maybe a little Oscar winner behind it. Anyway. Um, I look, you know, you guys know I'm a Dungeons and Dragons player. Uh, I, I love D and D. I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons literally since I was 14. I've been playing since I was 14 and my very first character, a wizard named zap because I was 14 anyway. Um, yeah, I'll just say I love it. Love it. Baldur's gate three might be my favorite game. Of all time. I think it might be the best video game ever made. And I loved that Dungeons and Dragons movie. I really did. And there is no more richer canvas to make a world out of than Dungeons and Dragons. So I'm very excited. Let's see where, but again, we'll talk more about it on the show tomorrow. Thanks for that. Draco. Appreciate that, man. All right. Alfonso what's with all you guys sending a $20 super chats. Thank you, man. Alfonso also sends in a $20 super chat. Thank you for the support, man. And Alfonso, right? Hey John, do you think James gun could replace Feige someday? Yes. Or team up as his right hand to keep a building MCU cosmic stories. I've been watching you for years. Love your work, man. Thank you for everything you do. Well, thank you for that Alfonso. And yes, I totally could see that happening. I honestly think that is one of the prime options for James gun. Once I believe he leaves DC in 2027. Uh, that win is contract runs out. Um, I think he's going to have look if, which I believe he will, but if it's still an, if, if James gun does decide to leave DC, which I think he will, then he's going to literally have every studio lineup and offer him whatever he wants. Just like what happened last time he became a free agent. So they're going to offer him whatever he wants. I think one, not the only, but I think one of the prime options for James gun is to leave DC. So I think one of the prime options one of the most appealing things for him would be remember him and Kevin Feige are very, very tight. They're very tight. And you know, I believe Kevin Feige has a date circled on his calendar of when he's going to leave Marvel. I mean, he's, he's just been there long enough. I don't want him to leave. Don't get me wrong, but I think he's a creative. He's accomplished everything he could possibly accomplish at Marvel. I think there are fewer days ahead of him at Marvel than there are behind. And I think he's going to have new mountains to climb, new challenges, he's going to want to tackle. But if he's going to do that, I think he has to have a succession plan in place. And I think James gun is the most logical succession plan. So yeah, I could totally see that totally. And now there are other things that could happen to, there are going to be other options on the table, but I absolutely Alfonso. I really do think that is going to be one of the most tempting offers for him to go and take. All right. Next up. Thanks again, Alfonso. Isaac writes, Hey, John, I saw a Korean movie called, colony and it was fantastic. It was made from the creator of train to Busan. I know that movie. And I'm for, I'm freezing on which one it is now. First of all, train to Busan. Remember how I said when I watched a Chronicle, I watched Chronicle at a time that I was already kind of over found footage movies. Train to Busan was kind of the same thing for me in the sense that I, I came to train to Busan being over zombie movies, like, cause I'm sorry, but at the end of the day, all zombie movies are basically the same quality levels can be different, but essentially it's all the same thing. And I was kind of over it at the time. And listen, train to Busan is still just a zombie movie, but zombie movies can be better than others. And it was one of the best. I've ever seen train to Busan is just a thrilling, thrilling movie. I, I just loved it. And by the way, we got one of our internals. One of the internals came out of that movie too, as a matter of fact. All right. And I think colony is, is it not the followup? Does like, does it not take place like a few years after train to Busan? I'm probably not even remembering it. Right. But at any rate, all right, next up trollmageddon rights. Please tell me super girl is better than Mandalorian. I'm legit angry today. I haven't been more disappointed in a movie since darkness falls in the nineties, the tooth fairy horror movie. Again, I don't think Mandalorian was that bad. I think Mandalorian was bad. It's a bad film. It's a bad movie. I don't think it was that bad. Um, you know, super girl to me, I put it on the same level as Mandalorian. I certainly don't think super girl. Is one of the worst comic book movies. I mean, it's far better than the ilk of Craven, Madam Webb, Morbius. Like, I mean, it's way better than those. It's better than Ant-Man and the lost quantum mania. Uh, it's better than iron man too. It's better than, you know, uh, for the dark world. Like it's not, it's not gutter trash, but it's a bad movie. It's a bad movie. It's not good. If you're somebody who watched it and you did like it. Awesome. To me, it was not good. Uh, so I kind of put it in the same level as I do with Mandalorian and Grogu. I, again, I think Mandalorian and Grogu had some upside. I think it had some redeeming qualities. There were moments of the film that I enjoyed, but just overall just wasn't good. And I kind of put super girl on the same level as that, that, that it is to me at any rate. All right. Uh, GK beetle writes, uh, Harry. Warrington is not black night. Cause Noah Jupe is no, no, yeah, no. I mean, in the, in the, in the infinity of the multiverse, is that conceivable? Well, of course it's conceivable, but I, I really don't see that happening. Now, if you are right though, we get to secret wars and that's what happens. I will remember this day. GK. All right. Rick three or two rights. Hey, John, I love your breakdown of the movies coming out in September. Thank you. You should do that at the beginning of every month. You know what the funny thing is? I intend to do that at the beginning of every month, but then the beginning of a new month comes and I totally forget about it. And then by the time I remember it, it's like, you know, the fifth and it's too late to do it, but yeah, I usually intend to do a breakdown of all the movies coming out in a month. I just usually forget. So I'm going to S I'm going to start putting it in my actual Google calendar. So I remember to do that, but thank you for that. Yeah. I had a good time breaking. Down the September movies. Thank you for that, Rick. I appreciate that. All right. Justin Davis writes, um, let's see. Hey, John, I'm reading more these days as, and opposed to your rule on book-based movies. I now love to read the book first. I know a lot of people do that, man. Uh, I now love to read the book first. I'm currently reading Victorian psycho because that trailer looks amazing. Yeah. Listen, I, I am absolutely not the norm. I, for those of you that are always talking about, I have a rule that if a movie or TV show is coming out based on a book, I will not read that book. Now, the reason I do that is I have always believed, and I found this to be true, that the reason you hear a lot of people say the book's better than the movie, whenever I hear somebody say that almost a hundred percent of the time, they read the book first. So you now approach the movie, not on its own merits. You're approaching the movie already with the book in your head and how you picture it being and which parts you want included and how you envision that thing looking and how you imagine this scene being shot. Like you approach it with that instead of approaching the book or approaching the movie on its own terms. Conversely, I have often found when people say they prefer the movie over the book. Most of the time, those people saw the movie first, and when the book doesn't line up exactly with the movie, which was their first experience. Now, of course there are exceptions. There are people who read the book first that prefer the movie, and there are people who saw a movie first before they read the book and, and prefer that. A hundred percent. I just found in my experience that the majority of people who say they prefer the book over the movie or the show rather than the movie. Yeah. Yeah. So read the book first and the majority of the people who say they prefer the show or the movie over the book. Watch the show or the movie first. I am a movie guy first. So when a movie is coming out, I want to make sure or show. I prefer letting the movie stand on its own. Be a clean slate when I go in and watch it and judge it on its own merits, not by my preconceived notion because I read the book first. Now, I broke my rule recently with Project Hail Mary. Yeah, I did. I did that for Project Hail Mary, but that's why I do it. But for a lot of other people, that's just me, though. That doesn't mean anybody else should approach it that way. So I think you're going to find that a lot of people approach it the way you do, Justin. That makes sense. That makes sense. All right. Next up. Mon Cole writes. Hey, John, have you seen the new movie, Buddy? Nope. And you know what? I'm not going to see it. I'm not going to see it before I get there. Okay. All right. Next up. Mon Cole writes. Nope. And you know what? I'm not going to see it before it hits home video. Because like today, the plan today is for me to see three movies. And they're all new releases. I'm supposed to see Onslaught today, By Any Means. That's the new Yahya Abdul-Mateen and Mark Wahlberg film. And the new Andrew Garfield movie, The Uprising. I'm supposed to see all three of them today. So I have no idea what's going to happen. I'm going to have to wait and see. uh, ever again, uh, this guy, he's not going to be that guy again. He's not, uh, muscle memory is a thing and that's why. if you guys remember when we talked about it before, when they cast him, I said, look at his age is going to be hard, but his genetics know how to carry that weight. Muscle memory, as you would say, is a thing. And that's why I think he's been able to get back into the shape he has. But I also think it's a fantasy world you're living in. If you think he's going to look like that again, that's not 15 more pounds. That's like 80 more pounds. In mid-50s, he's not doing that. He's going to look great. He's going to look fantastic. He's going to look night and day different from the guy on my immediate left here at the Toronto International Film Festival, for sure. But he ain't ever going to look like that guy on the far left. He's never going to look like that again. But it's just. That's just human genetics, man. I mean, at least certainly not in the next two months. Not in the next two months. He's definitely not going to do that. But Gaines, yes, he'll look better, but he's not going to look like that again. All right. Next up, Thomas Havas writes, John, what's your thoughts on Woody Allen making a new movie that starts filming in October? Also, do you think he should retire since he's 90? I don't think anybody should retire because of their age. People should retire because they think they've done it long enough and they don't want to do it anymore. Like Clint Eastwood kept making quality movies right up until he did retire and he's in his 90s. Like, and I don't think, I don't think Ridley Scott should retire because he's in his late 80s approaching 90. I think he should retire because he's in his 80s approaching 90 and hasn't made a good film other than one in almost 20 years. I mean, that's why I think he should retire. Uh, Woody makes really good movies. Now we can get into the controversy surrounding Woody Allen. That's above my pay grade. I'm not going to get into that, but listen, he's a gifted storyteller. He's a gifted filmmaker. And if he still thinks he's got movies to make that are good, go for it. Other controversies, notwithstanding, of course. All right. Uh, Gio, the one, right. It's Thor versus Superman. Uh, who wins? You're the writer Superman. Like, like, yeah. Like I love Thor. Um, and I love Hulk, but Superman. Yeah. It's to me, the pecking order is Superman Hulk Thor. Uh, Superman is Superman. He's just, that's just it. And very clever. Cause you know, Gio, that whenever somebody asks me, and I'm glad you caught this. Whenever somebody asks those types of questions, my usual first answer, which you clearly know is it depends who's writing it. If it's a Thor writer writing it, they're going to write the Thor wins. If it's a Superman writing it, they're going to write that Superman wins. So very clever to make sure you throw it in. You're the writer, Superman, Superman is Superman. I mean, he's just it. That's it. That's the top of the food chain. It's Superman. Yeah. Another writer can come in and say, well, due to his magical abilities and the thing that the thunder and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He, you can do that. You can, and I'm not going to bitch about it if he did, but yeah, to me, it's just Superman. He's Superman. And I don't even, I think straight up, there's a reason Hulk is world is world breaker Hulk in the MCU. It's Hulk in Marvel. It's Hulk. And then probably Thor to me, but yeah, if I'm the writer of that G and I get different people could write different ways. If I'm the writer of that, it's absolutely Superman. A hundred percent. And all right, guys, that will do it for today's installment of the John Campion show. Thank you so much for being here and making our little show a part of your day. Big special. Thank you to the thousands of you guys here in the live chat. Thank you so much for joining us because by being there in the live chat, you're not just watching the show. You're actually participating in the show by giving us cool comments, giving us some answers that we're asking questions to you guys help make the show what it is. So thank you so much for being here and making our little show part of your day. Also, big thank you to all you guys who sent in the super chats. Number one, because he gave us great fun things to talk about, but more importantly than that, you supported the channel as you did it. And all of us involved with the show. Thank you guys so very much for your support. All right. I'm going to at minimum see two movies now tonight. I'm going to try to get in three, which will mean three out of the theater reactions. Maybe I'll just do two and I'll put up a third one tomorrow. I don't know, but keep your eyes open on the channel a little bit later tonight for that stuff, guys. All right. Don't forget to come on back and join us again tomorrow. It'll be me, Jonathan, of course, writer, director, producer, Robert Meyer Burnett. We'll look forward to seeing you guys then. That'll do it for me, guys. My name is John Campia. And until next time, my friends. Bye-bye.