Auction Tips & Strategy + Mailbag Q&A! (08/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

This is Fantasy Football today from CBS Sports It's time to dominate your fantasy league Now here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie and he We're on the air waiting for you It's not a main I can't be true. Tell him it's from Sam not Thomas. It's from it's from Sam We're on the air right now. We're having this conversation there. I don't have I don't get it He's gonna curse. Why are we doing this? He's definitely on the e-mail with the streamer. I'm like it now I can tell you it's mail-back time out of a jabier here We were waiting for dead and beyond the box where we're late. I'm sorry I'm gonna make fun of him now beyond the box where we're late. Nobody sent me a stream yard link Of course Now beyond stress for other reasons, but okay I'm gonna make you feel better in the last 30 minutes I walked into a spider web and freaked out as I hate that and I ate what I thought was a grape But it was actually a tomato and it was disgusting like it was a fine tomato But when you think you're eating a grape and you eat and it's a tomato because it was like one of those Purple-y tomatoes like look like a grape. Oh, it was it was horrible I don't know that I've ever seen a grape that look a tomato that looks like a grape. That's a first for me Well, there are grape tomatoes Yeah, but this was like it was like it looked like a long grass like this is an oddly shaped grape and then I ate it It was definitely not a grape anyway. Welcome to the show dad I just had to do like 25 minutes worth of stuff in 10 minutes and I went over by seven minutes I'm not doing great, but with that said, I'm happy to talk mail back today I'm happy to talk auction strategy as well. So excited for the show. All right, so here's just wait I got about 10 articles to send you to that's awesome That's all I love when the articles drop like like yesterday like like 7 p.m I get notifications for four articles that come in it's like all right Well, do I have a chance to spend my night how I've planned to or no? Yeah, well, Dan is I know why am I complaining? We've the greatest job in the world. Yeah, so I take all that back Receded old Recalibrate Shush important stuff here Coming up we have auction talk. We're gonna do that in the second half of the episode We'll get mailbag first auction talk second half of the episode We're gonna tell you how to win your auction league But even more important I keep forgetting about this we have our leftovers league It's our other podcast league. We're drafting September 2nd at 8 p.m. Eastern if you want to be in the league We have some spots available. Please email fantasy football at cbsi.com put leftovers league in the subject line September 2nd 8 p.m. If you can't make it don't submit fantasy football at cbsi.com That's our email address for everything but put leftovers league in the subject line Heath and I share a team and then we've competed against nine other people. We have like five spots left I think anyway, it's ten teams. I believe it's half ppr and it's super flex. All right Did you steal that from me or did I steal from you the left over leaks then the calling at the left over leaks It was sort of thrust upon me by someone at work I didn't want to call it the leftovers league That's what I call all the leagues that I do for the people that you never linen. I know I know this could be this Used to be the four-the-people league, but whatever. Oh, that's what you said. So you did steal it for me That's right. No, I don't sure for me. Oh someone someone higher up made me call it The leftovers league. Oh, that's so terrible. That's copyright infringement. You owe me money. All right Let's get into the show. I'll do my left over leaks too. Don't worry for everybody that Adam shuns I didn't give some notes on the earlier Friday show, but Adam chef to expect expressed optimism that Alec Pierce will be ready for week one The Raiders haven't named their starting quarterback yet. Although by the time you hear this, maybe they will have Travy on Henderson expected for week one the Rams acquired two to at well from the Dolphins for running back Jarqués hunter Sean McPhase said that was about having wide receiver depth not about a possible pukinacua suspension that that was the strangest trade I think I've ever seen I was I was on The set for CBS Spotlight whatever we call it on HQ and I'm sitting there with Dave and I go this is a joke right like I it's like a fake chef to account Well, it's Dean Connor season Well, that is Adam. No, I don't know who that is Little a UDFA running back for the Rams that looks pretty good and preseason tape that might be the reason they traded Jarqués I don't know. Okay. I was gonna say the Dolphins don't really need any more wide receivers. They're good there So they can get rid of two to at well to be fair I didn't really know who that was either Connors, but Jacob put me on to them. Okay. I'm sure he'll be great Wanted to name the top five receivers on the Dolphins depth start without looking. Ah Yes, but let me tell you one no Robinson's being evaluated for concussion Isaiah Pichecco Seems like his MCL was fine, but he has a back injury So that's oh boy disappointing and Mike McDonald said that wide receiver Tory Horton's injury is not a long-term one Dolphins We've got Chris Bell back. We got tomorrow Douglas. We've got Wrong already Dan you're up. I'm not the Mario Douglas No, they're unofficial depth shot. You're talking about five top five receivers on a team doesn't have to be the order No, come on. I got this. I was hell wrong. Bell Douglas Malik Washington first names Jalen Jalen tobert Who's the fifth Who is they ever even have anyone else on that that jar another Jalen Jalen Jalen Hopefully soon to be Jalen I pick in the NFL draft. I can't I don't know why I'm drawing a former first round pick in the NFL Yeah, the Viking celebrated it very. Oh, darling Naylor. Wow. Oh, he's on that. Oh my god. Your turn. Not Nailer Jalen Rager Jalen Rager is the Rager. Yeah. All right. Justin Jefferson. Yeah, pick before Justin Jefferson Okay, draft a thong questions emails fantasy football at cbs i.com our Mario Douglas one our first question Our first question was from an anonymous person who wanted to know how much he could donate to St. Jude He didn't have a ton of money. So he just wanted to donate $20 So if you want to go I know the draft a thong show is over But he wants to start this chain of people donating $20 to change people's lives Please be like this person go to tiny url.com slash FFT donate 2026 and you can still make donations Now next question is from Tyler in New York City a key way to ID potential breakouts is to find underrated offenses Last year was the cults at least prior to the Jones injury Who are your top three offenses that you think are being underrated and you might want to target players on in drafts? The Vikings are the first and foremost for me been on them all off season There is obviously downside if Kyler is no longer seeing the field well and not playing at a high level But they've a really an easy schedule and they've been kind of slapped on ADP wise all off season with the exception at Jefferson the Saints No one seems to have any concerns about Tyler Shuck Well, I mean there's concerns otherwise great camp him higher and I think looking at this offense You know more favorable that I think really the only two players that are getting drafted as starting fantasy options are a lot of and Travis H&N and they have a pretty impressive resume each of them. So you know I I The loss of Tyson doesn't make things better for Shuck and the Saints that being said I've said this a few times Kellen Moore's history as a play caller His quarterbacks have all scored when they've been the starter for the majority of the season all average Excuse me 21 points per game or more and that's basically what Shuck was when he was the starter the second half of the season Yeah, so the Saints I would say honestly I would say the Colts again People you know probably down on them a little bit and I'm concerned about them They could be very good and I would say the Packers passing game with the possibility of a Josh Jacob suspension with Just I just feel like they're not gonna run the ball quite as much as usual And I want to tell you since 2022 when both Christian Watson and Jaden Reed entered the league Here are the top five wide receivers in fantasy points per target Jaden Reed is number one Jalen Nailer is number two. He's not on the dolphins though Christian Watson is number three James and Williams is four and Keisha and booty is five you have a very efficient offense And I would say the passing game for the Packers to me is perhaps an underrated one because they they are very efficient But they just don't throw that much. I think they'll throw more this year Tampa Bay. I think they bounce back Mm-hmm I think what we're looking for is Clearly for what the teams that fit the bill last year Jacksonville Indianapolis Chicago is Quarterback play that fans are questioning not believing in and great offensive line play and great offensive scheme is really the combo there So I mentioned the Vikings there. They're fit that bill perfectly I think from the scheme offensive line questionable quarterback play Jamie mentioned to Tampa. They're they're expected. I'm trying to find out like I'm trying to figure out a nuts scenes are a good one I mean, I wouldn't put them now. I don't think the Giants qualifies the coaching standpoint There's really I mean if you're looking down the board offensive line and scheme being a plus The Steelers maybe if McCarthy can get back his magic from his schematic standpoint. We saw it with shot in Heimer I would say that the main culprits of the ones Jamie and I brought up earlier though Okay, and I do think the Giants qualify from a personnel standpoint like they could take a big jump We're worried about it's Matt naggy. Yeah. All right. Thank you for the question Tyler much appreciated next up gamer Eric Who is in the cell gamer Eric and I had an email exchange yesterday About what he misquoted Rocky IV I didn't want to embarrass him, but I'm gonna embarrass him He miss quote Rocky IV. He's a big movie guy. So that's surprising. Yeah, he was pretty embarrassed And he's in the chat right now and he I think he has never done an auction. Let's see. He said, "Hard to believe I've been playing for 25 years "and still no auction." And he said that as commission or one of the managers suggested this week, we should do an auction. We've had a hard enough time getting people to stay two to three hours for an in-person snake draft. What are some tips to overcome this? So, you know, like how do you, we're gonna talk more about auctions later. This is the only auction part in the first half of the show. But how do you get people to stay and have fun for two to three hours? 'Cause it is a long event, Dan. - Are you talking about for an in-person live auction or an in-person done on the website auction? - They're very two different things. - I think he's talking about, I think he's, I don't know. I think he's talking about in-person. He said in-person snake draft. - I would say the first thing you should do is make sure it's still on the online app. You guys all get together, but do it online 'cause online we'll move it along and keep it going faster, especially it's your first auction. It's pretty risky to do it offline. So keep it online and look, the way it goes, it's pretty, at this point, like from an online auction standpoint, it goes the time it's supposed to go. Will it go longer than a snake, yes? But it's only, I bet, like I mean, just judging on our auction that we do every year, Jamie, the Dave organizes, what do we lose? An extra 30 to 45 minutes, maybe an hour at most, not really. That's a lower rostered player league. But, you know, you're gonna just add 30 to 60 minutes as far as like keeping people engaged. It's up to you, like, is your league into fantasy football and they nerds about fantasy football? 'Cause if not, they shouldn't do an auction. If they are, then they're gonna be engaged the entire time. The auction is the most engaging way to play fantasy football by far. You need to be aware of every single bid, you need to have in your mind a value on every single player. There's no zoning out like you can do in a snake. That's not true, you can zone out. If you spend money early, you could zone out, I guess technically, but you should always be looking to hunt for value in auction. That's the whole point of an auction. Yeah, but if there's a player that you just don't want or can't use, like if you have-- You zone out, but his bid is over within seconds or minutes. Yeah, you can zone out. I think the best way to make it more entertaining is to do it in person. Because then you're engaging with everybody and you're seeing how people are acting and reacting to bids and clearly if you do it as a draft party, you're getting to spend time with your friends, which is the best part of this. And if you, I don't disagree with Dan about maybe doing it online, but still, if you can find a way to get somebody to be an auctioneer, that's just the jokes are endless. We did that last year and it worked out really well. Yeah, it's actually, it's kind of a must. You don't want someone in the league being the auctioneer. That's tough. I should come up for your auction this year and we'll play some tennis at 'em. September, it's going to be next week. We're trying to figure out the game. You have a spot for me in the league? Maybe. Oh, that would ruin Adam's advantage. No, I mean, you got to take down the auction expert, you know? All right, I guess I just, one more suggestion if you are intimidated by the time is, I think we've done this in baseball before. You could say like the top, get to figure it out. Like you're in a 12 team league, you do eight rounds with that's 96 players. You could take the 96 top players, however you determine it by 80p or whatever, and do auction for them and then do the rest of the snake draft. Yeah, afterwards. You also, if you want to get done quickly, just spend all your money and don't care about your dollar bills. You could go studs and duds, right? Yeah. And zone out or whatever. Yeah, zone out. All right, here's an email. fantasy football at CBSI.com from Nick. Nick says, hey, Otto, Reggie, Maurice and Sam from an underrated TV show, Otto, Reggie, Maurice and Sam. Sam from an underrated TV show. I'm supposed to be the guy who knows TV, rocket power. I have no idea. Oh, rocket power. Were you too old for rocket power? That was right in my age range. Yeah, Adam. Yeah, well, a saver is like all about rocket power. I could see. Yeah, I was about to hop on and say rocket power, but you beat me to it. Pavers such, if I could just look at Thomas Schaefer, I would, and someone said, Thomas Schaefer's a rocket power fan, I'd be like, that checks out 100%. He looks like the people in the show, to some extent. And he probably still calls people shubbies. You know what a shubbie is? No, but this is great. I love it. Yeah, I know what a shubbie is. Thomas does, obviously. Adam must be a shubbie then. Adam is. Adam 100% would be a shubbie. He would be a shubbie. He's like, that's a clock shubbie. All right, the question is, why do you have Brock Bowers ahead of Trey McBride? I think Bowers is in a spot where he could lead the NFL in targets. I think he could have an opportunity to be among the reception leaders. You're talking about a guy that had an elite profile as a rookie battle through a PCL injury last year. I think if he had sat out and maybe came back at the end of the season instead of trying to play through it, we would have gotten the best of Bowers, but you saw that one game against Jacksonville. I love Trey McBride. I just think we'd have a better run game in Arizona than we had last year. You're going to get more opportunities. Remember, a lot of what McBride did at the end of the season was without Marvin Harrison. So you got Harrison. And what should be a better version of Michael Wilson there. So given the receiving core for the Raiders, they both have questionable quarterbacks in my mind, I think there's more upside for Brock Bowers. Slightly, put more. OK, yeah, I mean, Bowers is like, you know, he's just sitting there on the tight end beach, and then McBride comes in. And he's a total shubi. McBride wouldn't be a shubi, but you, you would. Yeah, I would. I, I looked, I Googled. The other question was, I'll give this one to Dan. Why are we not higher on Chris Olave? Aftershock took over, he was six in points per game. Why is he ranked 11th, especially with Jordan Tyson's injury? I think not only six in points per game, I think he was like, why'd receiver three overall or something aftershock took over. I saw that stat yesterday from Dave Kluge. I guess the reason to not be more excited about him is his injury history with the concussions, the fact that he's hurt right now. We have very little information based off of that. And thirdly, the fact that-- Why was that hurt? He's not hurt. Oh, he's fine completely. He came down in practice, and they just said he got the win knocked out of him. OK, good, because I hadn't heard any updates on that. That's good. And then for me, the main one, which has nothing to do with injuries, which is like, if you look at it like this, I mean, there's just no way that the schedule they had at the end of the season, this is a big thing for a shock, too. It just cannot possibly repeat itself. It was a dead Panther's defense, a dead Jet's defense, a dead Falcon's defense. And then one other-- like, it was literally like the five of the worst defenses in the NFL they're matching up against. So if you care about that, and you think that factors in, because you're worried about, you know, we're saying he was wide receiver six, but it's over a very small sample size, sample size included four games against the worst defense in the NFL, then that is something you should factor into why you wouldn't want to draft a Meyer. Yeah, great point. And also, there's also a lot of great players around. It was about to say, I mean, there's so many guys, what are you going to do? You'll put ahead of C.D. Lam and George Pickens. He was better than Lam last year. All right, let's take a break. Thank you very much for the email, Nick. Oh, wait, wait, let Eric guess what's the ad? What is it? The ad. That's our new game. Ah, what's the ad? Pretty soon, we're going to have live streams from Dan on here, too. Oh, we did last week. Oh, we did, that's right. Yeah, no, this is-- My Z-Biotics finally made the show. This feels like a wo-- Let's go. Let's see. All right, we'll be right back after this. I'm going to talk to you right now about Omaha Stakes. And this is a perfect time for me to do it, because just last night, I cooked four Omaha Stakes for my family, and they were awesome, and we completely devoured them. And tonight, Omaha Stakes burgers and hot dogs for the family. They also have seafood and side dishes. They have so many things at Omaha Stakes. If you want affordable, easy to make, delicious food, Omaha Stakes is honestly a no-brainer. This is like having a trusted butcher and gourmet shop in your kitchen. And let me tell you about the burger's incredible deal here. Try a burger perfection flight for just $79.99. 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Yeah, you know, that's the spot to, you know, take a chance on two players from the same backfield that we just don't have any idea of how it's all going to look. I think you could make it. It's a little bit earlier, but the Steelers backfield, you can do it with the commanders backfield. You can do it with, trying to do it with the Vikings. Oh, the Vikings, yeah, that's a good one. You can look at all those, those, you know, duos and just see how it shakes out early in the season. And I think in the case of the Panthers, like both can end up being flex options for you, you know, with Brooks, most likely the first and second down guy. And then Hubbard working in and rushing down and also being the passing down guy. But I think like the commanders, you know, if their offensive line holds up and what Richard White does in the passing game. You know, same thing with the Vikings guys and what they'll be able to do, I think in tandem. It's very easy to take chances on those backfield, especially if you take two running backs early and then you're looking for your third. If that's your third and your fourth, it's not a bad way to go. Tim in Radford, Virginia is really upset because he's got an outstanding commissioner in every way, except his commissioner still uses non-decimal scoring. Yeah, and that's pretty cool. it produces more ties. Ties are settled by bench points, which seem absurd. - What? - Yeah, ties settled by bench points, that's worse. - Actually, don't hate that. - No, that's horrible. Why should players not worthy of starting status ever determine an outcome? Am I crazy to be so against non-desimal scoring? Is there a benefit I'm missing? And I don't know if you've seen this, but in our email system now, we sometimes we get AI-generated responses that we can use. So AI would have said to Tim, you're definitely not crazy. Non-desimal scoring is brutal and definitely outdated. There's really no benefit to it. Desimal scoring is the only way to go to avoid those unnecessary ties. I am with you on this one. - Yeah, there is no benefit to non-desimal scoring. So just it's a simple cut and dry case here. And the bench scoring thing, I mean, that's, to some degree, I'd argue that this commissioner is not that great 'cause he's doing this. Here's an email from. - What are the three qualities you look for to a good commissioner? That's like. - It's the opposite of Adam Azer and the Big Burger League. Is that what we're looking at? - You just reminded me of the scene from the movie Road Trip. - How about collecting doos and paying out on time? Is that, is that a key one? - JB's paid, paid doos and paid out some 2023 stuff. - How do you think I brought it up? - They did the audacity. I finally got paid on the Super Flex League. I won the audacity. He's like, do you want me to just roll it over? Roll it over. I mean, come on. - I don't want to. - Do you like roll over? - I said things. - Do you want to put your entry fee in for this year? - I thought he said roll it over. - No. - I had this discussion with Jack in the office. He, we both were just like stunned by that whole question, but it's okay. We love it. - That was while you quoted me incorrectly. - I thought I heard roll it over. That's what he said. So I blamed Jack. - Okay, so this email's from Anonymous and he says, "Hello, bearded Adam and burping Dan." I feel like we are severely underestimating the value of Mark Andrews this year. Declan Doyle was the tight ends coach before being an OC. He has a history at Iowa with Kiddell and Hawkinson. He most recently worked with Ben Johnson who produced great seasons with LaPorta and Loveland. Yeah, are we underestimating Mark Andrews? - And he's related to Mike Dicke. Underrating him, it's hard to say. When you start to compare him to the tight ends that are going directly in front of him, which I think in ADP he's still tight and 13 or 14. So he's in that range with Alton Kincaid. I would take him ahead of Kincaid. But are you taking him ahead of Travis Kelsey? Are you taking him ahead of George Kiddell? Are you taking him ahead of Isaiah likely? Are you taking him ahead of Dallas Goddard? I would say he's behind all those guys because he just came off one of his worst seasons, maybe his worst season ever since his rookie campaign. So really comes down to and just to tie in our drop the fund. We had that wonderful moment where Scott Fish pulled in to random people. I know some people like Dan thinks it was planted, but two random people at Universal Studios, and one of the massive about Jacobi Lane. And, you know, can he score five touchdowns? I don't know what the overrunner is, but-- - You were insane for even thinking that Jacobi Lane is scoring five touchdowns. - You don't think Jacobi Lane can score five touchdowns? - I think he could. I think if I were going to bet the overrunner on four and a half touchdowns, I'm 100% taking the under on a rookie wide receiver for the Baltimore Raven scoring five touchdowns. - But that's like his profile though. But what I'm getting at is like that's the type of player that could ruin Mark Andrews because you need Andrews to kind of go back to what's three years ago. You need him to be like Dallas Goddard. He's not going to still be a elite catch target yard guy. He's going to be a touchdown guy, and you need eight plus touchdowns, I think, for him to crack the top 12. So when I did a draft last week, where I was picking on an end at the top, whipped on tight end, he was the best available option. I'm hoping he's going to score eight touchdowns. I'm hoping he's going to be the second guy in terms of targets for this team, but that could be all over the place because Bateman's had a strong camp, and again, Lane's going to be a factor here. So I know you're rooting for everybody, but safe. - Oh, I'm rooting with Mark Andrews. I hope he leads the team in targets. - So I think he's just a good fallback option. I don't think he's somebody that you should go and say I have to target Mark Andrews. - Well, the Ravens don't target Mark Andrews. He's played 17 games, two straight seasons, and he has 69 targets in 2024 and 70 targets in 2025. But I will say this to anonymous, he just needs to get that target parade up, and he needs to run more routes, but if he gets 90 targets, I think he's going to be really good. If he gets 70 targets, that's extremely difficult, and it's two straight years of full seasons with 70 targets. - Yeah. - That's tough. Now, here's one from Tom and Minnesota, and he says, is David Najoku being completely overlooked as a potential tight end sleeper? He's not even ranked on CBS. He's tied in 30th on, tied in 30 on fantasy pros. And yeah, all indications are, Gadsden is not being seen as a starter. - The Charlie Culler is. - Yeah. - So, no. - But do you think that you're not feeling it with the Jokeo? - No, I mean, three tight ends. He'll probably rotate in with Gadsden and Culler, Culler are getting the most, and then they'll run some 11 personnel stuff too, 'cause they have three good receivers, so no. - I think Culler's the guy if you're looking for like a really deep sleeper, dark throw type of guy. Like, it just sucks for Gadsden, you know, 'cause he showed some promise last year. It sucks for Najoku, who has had a good fantasy profile for us for the last five or six years. And both these guys, I don't think are gonna get the opportunities that they're used to getting and that we would like to see them get. So, no. - Sean Hellier is in a slow draft, and he has Christian McAfry. He wants to know if he should get Christian McAfry's handcuff and who that is. - Based on last night, it looks like it's Kaelin Black 'cause he came in first, but Jordan James, who's missed time with injury and is now back after missing most of the training camp, was right after him and he looked good too. I thought I watched their tape 'cause Jacob did a cup. I thought they both looked good. So, I think it's anyone's guess. I think they went into this thing wanting it to be Jordan James, and my lean is now it's Kaelin Black, because Black has looked so good in the preseason and training camp and has proved to them. I can handle some of the receiving responsibilities, but we know for one thing, like, at least from reading between the lines, Shannon has mentioned that he doesn't want it to be like the situation it's been in the past, where it's like, I bring on the RB2, and he's so one-dimensional and they know what running the ball. He wants someone who can catch and be a runner, and to me, based on their college profile, that's easily James, but if they feel comfortable given what Black has shown in camp in the preseason that he can be a receiving option, it's gonna be Black, I think. I would guess that if McCaffrey gets hurt as both of them, plus you're gonna get, I think this is one of those, they got so much flack for their draft night of struggling and blind. - I know, they're gonna try to trick us wrong. - And they just would be the type of team that we're gonna use Kaelin Black, maybe in a tandem with McCaffrey, not to the level that it's gonna hurt McCaffrey that way, but like, we're gonna put Black on the field. He's the first guy, 'cause they know James will handle the job if Black struggles in terms of being the second guy, right? Like, they have, I think, enough faith in James that they can go to him. It's almost like you know when you draft, play a quarterback, we get to play the veteran guy first, 'cause it's easier to go to the younger guy next. So, draft capital, age favors James. He's actually younger than Kaelin Black. He's 22, Black is 25. Draft capital, though, Black was the third round pick. - Right. - James is a fifth round pick. So, I would lean toward Kaelin Black as well. - Yeah, I have a slightly different take him than Dan on what we saw last night in the preseason game. Yes, Jordan James came in right after Kaelin Black, but Kaelin Black played each of the first two series and played, I think, every single snap. - He did. - And then his night was just over, and Kaelin Black came in with the backup, and Jordan James came in with the backups, but then the second play of the game, I don't know if Kaelin Black ran the route incorrectly, but he and Mack Jones weren't even close on, like a really short pass. - Okay. - And then he got, later in the game, he got completely blown up in pass protection. So, I didn't think it was that great of an outing for him, not to say James would have done much better. I like, James is a lot more explosive, I think, than Black, but, you know, I just, he is, Kaelin Black last night was clearly ahead of Jordan James. Was that because James is ramping up, because of the injury that could be? And I just remember two years ago when McCaffrey played four games, I think we felt like it was going to be a split there as well. I remember, I don't remember exactly what we said, but I remember that being said on the show, and it wasn't. It was Jordan Mason as a workhorse who had almost no involvement in the passing game, but he was probably getting like, he was on pace for over 300 carries. So. - That was also the Garendo's rookie season, and then he took over after James Mason got hurt. - Yeah. But it's Kaelin Black's rookie season, but yeah. All right, anyway, we. - And Garendo, for what it's worth, could still be a factor too. He's on the populace with the chest injury. - Right. - If he's healthy at any point, that could be two or three guys. - Well, that's all the emails I have. - Except four, of course. The fantasy cops. - Here we go. - Wait, stop it now, stop it. - Yeah. - Now both of you do your impressions. (humming) - I feel like I'm still closer. That's how bad my hearing is. - Jamie, come on, who's closer? - Huh? - Who's closer? - Oh, it's you, my mom. - Thank you, hi. - Wow, I mean, I am tone deaf, and now I know, I thought, I always thought, I lived my life thinking I was tone deaf. Now I know for sure that I am. - Yeah, you see, I think it's Dan. - What? - Wow, let's go, Thomas. - Oh my gosh, Adam is way better. Adam, with Adam. - No chance, it's Dan. No chance. - Thank you. - Oh wow, Sam. - Dan, you are not the only tone deaf person the podcast. Graduates. Congratulations, you did a lot in common. - Thomas and Dan, we're bonding there for a little bit. - You guys are the biggest shoobies I have ever met. All right, here we go. This is from Shawn, 16 team keeper league, four divisions. The top two teams from each division make the playoffs regardless of record. And we can keep three different player positions and team owners can also trade future year draft picks for players and the trade deadlines week eight. So I started out two and five. My season looked bleak, so I traded a few of my top players to the top two teams in my division. And I got both of their first round picks and a third round pick. My thoughts were fire sale for my team this year, meaning 20, 25, and extra picks for 20, 26. And that would not only help me, but hurt my division opponents 'cause they don't have their first round picks. But here's the problem. The league commissioner announces to the league after the week eight trade deadline that next year, 20, 26, we're gonna shuffle the teams and create new divisions. There was no vote for this. I immediately contacted him and said that I and I assume others have made trades in their division this year with the purpose of having an advantage next year. And I went on and explained in detail why I made decisions and why I felt deciding to shuffle the divisions now was a bad idea and not really fair, especially mid season and after the trade deadline. He didn't care. He said he made the decision and it was final. He said if I don't like it, I don't have to play next year. I then tried to explain how I was more or less forfeiting in 2025, a $250 league fee, and that was all for the purpose of setting up for next year. So then he booted me from the league immediately and kept my league fee refused to respond or take any of my calls. Was the commissioner out of line even before he kicked me out? Was I right and my thought that he should have had a league vote before the season starts and make the change after the season with love your thoughts? - First of all, I want to start by saying I'm angry at Frank in the chat now is to end the commissioner league, yes, I would never do anything like this in my life. And I've been commissioner of multiple losing, including my home league, which is going into year 20. Will I kick someone out for inactivity or poor play and making horrible trades maybe, but not in this regard? I won't just kick someone out 'cause he doesn't agree with a ruling I made. And this is a terrible decision by the commissioner. You can't just rule on something without pulling the league. When usually when you're going to make a big change like this it has to be an effect the year after. That's usually how good commissioners do it. So yeah, obviously this is terrible. I also don't really understand this, Adam and Jamie. Like is this a friend league or is this just like, it is or not? - No, that's a saint like who does this? - Cause this doesn't happen in friend league. - You can't take somebody's money. - He's a judge. - He's a judge unless it's not a friend league. And it's just like this is like up. I met some guys online. I'm taking his 250 and I'm laughing to the bank. - I don't know. - He's a jerk. - I mean that's illegal. So I think, yeah, I'm confused though. Didn't he say he made the decision after the week eight trade deadline? - The commissioner, yeah, like so this guy makes a trade, basically tanking this year, getting two first round picks next year weakening his future opponents in the same thing. - Right, so I got all that. - And after the trade deadline, the commissioner says, oh, we'll reshuffle in the divisions. You're not gonna be in the same division. - Crazy. Yeah, I can't do it. - Right, but he's doing that for 2020. - I just, 'cause you guys are saying he has to do it after the season. So he wasn't doing it after week eight for the rest of the 2020 five season. He was doing it for 2026. - Yeah, but if people are saying-- - I'm not saying he's right. I'm just trying to get the timeline. - No, you're right. It didn't matter that it was after the trade deadline or before the next season started. He needed to do it farther enough in advance where no draft picks, you know. - Well, I don't think that unless he was purposely trying to ruin this particular manager's situation, I don't know if that was the case. Like, we don't know. Like, it could be like, hey, I'm tired of the same divisions for the last 10 years. I think we should shake it up a little bit. Should put it to a vote, obviously. Can't just make that decision arbitrarily. But I don't know if like, if this, the personal email thus is just saying, oh, he's doing it to screw me over because I took draft picks away from other players in my division. Like, that would be very crappy if that was the decision. - Yeah. I'm gonna have to get rid of some of these fantasy cops to make time for some auction talks. So let's go. - Never get rid of the fantasy. - Don't get rid of cops. We'll do less talks. - No, no, no, no. I'm not getting, oh, damn it. I forgot to play Jamie Friday afternoon right now. You know what tonight is? (upbeat rock music) ♪ Got it, not the weight, not the pool ♪ ♪ Man, it's bad, it's bad ♪ - There's no way Dan knows what that's for. - No idea. ♪ Got it, not the weight, not the pool ♪ - All right, what is that from? - A movie called The Greatest Opening Scenes in movie history? - Yeah, the last Boy Scout. - The last what? - Boy Scout. - Dan, you will love it. There's never been a football scene where there's 45 defenders on the field. (laughing) - It's a, it's so crazy movie. All right, the question here is from KC. In a redraf leaf, it gets to keep one keeper in the round they were drafted in the prior year. Our commissioner just announced that he's making a trade with another team. He's keeping Jamir Gibbs in round one, but he drafted James Cook in the third round and now he's trading James Cook in exchange for fab and a late round pick swap. But he isn't keeping James Cook. So technically he isn't on the team. What do you guys think? Should you only be able to trade the person you're keeping? - You should only be able to trade the person you're keeping. - This is a cut and dry one. - Okay, but then you don't have any keepers? - No, you're trading your keeper for somebody else keep. - But then he was trading for fab and a late round pick. - No, unless that's something that's established, you can do obviously some different amendments to your keeper rules where you're going to keep two players until X date and then it's down to one player. If you want to make trades to do that, but I think if you're just in a one keeper league, it's got to be I'm keeping Gibbs. And I'm keeping Gibbs for a first round pick, but I want to get James Cook for a third round pick. So I'm going to trade Gibbs to get the first round pick back and I'm going to get James Cook's. Let's say like you have Gibbs and you're pick 10, right? So I don't know, that doesn't make sense. But you get my point, like you want to get a better picking round one. - Yeah. - All right, that's it for the fantasy tops. We'll try to do more next show, but we've got to save some time for auction. I'm going to take a break and come back and tell you how to win. - You're a way to action league. - Let's see, what's the add? What's the add? - What is it? - What's the add? - I can't keep doing this. - Come on. - Whoop. All right, we'll be right back. - How to win your auction drafts, your auction leagues. Auctions are the most fair way to draft. Everyone's got an opportunity to get every player in the player pool. Real quick, why don't we talk more about auctions? I think it's very difficult. I think every auction is so unpredictable and has a life of its own. You're doing a snake draft. You're going to have a pretty good idea of who's going to be available to you at different points in the draft. Auction is tough, like they're just, they just are their own living breathing thing, it seems. And yeah, it's hard to do a lot of content around it, but they are super fun. We got this comment earlier in the show that says, Dan gets no credit on this show for anything. I think that was after his pretty horrible fantasy cops rendition, but he should get a lot of credit for his auction advice. So what are some tips you want to give right out of the gate, Dan, for winning your auction? - We do this show every year, literally around this exact time on the mailbag. So I don't want to repeat any of the tips yet. I want to start with something new I haven't talked about on the show, which I think gives you a really good opportunity to build out everything. So the first thing you can do, and this is for people who are playing and repeat auction leagues, I think that'll be the majority of the people listening and wanting advice. Look at last year's auction results, go player by player, and fill out by your rankings, and I'm sure you have rankings, or I hope by this point you have rankings, if not create rankings, fill out what, let's say the QB1 went for last year, what the QB2 went for last year, QB3 end down, what the RB1, RB2, RB3, fill them out, the pricing from last year, and then build out your entire draft board and your auction strategy based on that. This is the best way that I've learned how to play auctions. So I'll know if I like a lot of the receivers in that Waddle range, that Waddle Booker range, well they went for 13, 14 last year, and I could build them out, play start placing them, wide receiver two, wide receiver one, and then you get a feel for how you want to build your auction out. And in a sense, you can have multiple builds. So I'll do that for one build, then I'll do another build. This is the build if I buy Bowers, this is the build if I buy whatever it may be, buy Gibbs or whoever it may be, and you come up with eight or nine different strategies on a separate sheet and Google sheets, all based on your projected salaries for the Waddle, wide receiver two, and use ADP, do not use your rankings to rank it down, use the most updated ADP. This will give you a great sense and feel for how to build your roster out, what you can do, and it'll stop you from doing things like overexposing yourself early in an auction, and then panicking and having to kind of like, reel off a strategy mid-draft, because what that could lead to at times is you ending up with money at the end of your auction, which is the worst possible scenario, or you just having no way to recover at the end of your auction. If you build it out in a certain way, and you create eight to nine or 10 multiple builds, it will give you all sorts of contingency plans to create a great draft and not be left over with money at the end. - Okay, that's really good advice. Do you really do all that, I mean? - I do all that by hand. I'm sure there's an AI way to do this, which sucks, but I kind of enjoy it, though. It's kind of fun to look back at last year's results, and be like, this guy went for this, and then like find your values that you like, right? - Yeah, and I would just say, if this sounds intimidating to you, you don't have to do it. Dan loves it, right? And I think a lot of people do it. I remember when we were kids, you know, I would hand-write all of my rankings, you know, and cross it out as I cross everybody off the list as we were doing drafts, and I enjoyed that. I don't do it anymore, 'cause it'd be pointless, But you don't have to do all that. I really don't do any preparation going into my auction and if I'm playing in a somewhat casual league my auction league I would do more prep of our playing in Stan and Jamie and all that but you don't have to do everything Dan said But that is really cool advice really great advice. I think just one thing maybe to modify it to make it simpler that for people that aren't as into it As Dan is like you can Just in the second part of it. I think once you go through the the The cost of the players from last year You just kind of tie that into tears like I would get rid of the ADP part of that I would just tie it into whatever tears like you look at so if you tear players yourself if you use your system the other people use That's I think just an easier way to sort of marry the two things So like if you want to see what the players went for last year and then you just start to tear those guys So knowing that okay that waddle group that Dan referenced like there's six players in that tier that I like So I know I'm gonna try and get one of those guys and that's kind of a neat I think just an easier way to sort of make it happen for you And one thing I see in the chat. Yes. Sorry. Go ahead. I don't know if you want to keep going go before I was gonna say one Thing I see in the chat, which I think some people do like to do and that's why there are such things as bidding wars and auctions Someone said there have to be players. You're willing to go higher on I actually find that my best teams and all of my championship teams are the teams where I draft players in my auction that I didn't go in wanting It's that drafted them that I looked at my tears. I have my tiered rankings And this guy's for some reason going for 12 dollars in a range of 18 dollar guys I didn't like him but I went for him because of the value And then if you continuously do that throw at an auction you end up having a better chance to win in my opinion by taking Letting the board fall to you. That's the beauty of the auction to me. It's that you can let the board fall to you Mm-hmm. Yeah, I always like to try and get one player in a top two or three tier And then live in sort of like a a middle tier for all these guys So it's almost like you're getting one sort of superstar or one borderline superstar At a running back a wide receiver spot. I think the onesy positions are easy to target in in auctions Unless you're going for the top two or three guys. So like if you love Laporta Warren Craft likely you know just as it goes down like you'll be able to get those guys a lot cheaper than you think if you love Dack and Lawrence and Caleb and all those quarterbacks You'll get them much cheaper than you think you let other people spend for Josh Allen and block Flowers and and McBride it unless you just really want those guys because if those guys are nominated early people get a little too overexcited and they tend to spend more than they need to on those onesy spots I yeah, I mean that's definitely something I do. I'm actually trying to pull up my draft results from my auction last year I can show you the team I put together Um and the team it wasn't great. I think on draft night, but you know doesn't end on draft night Mm-hmm. So I try I like to get ooh JSN for 11. That was a great pick. Nice job I tried $100 or $200 $100 Nico for 21. I'll show you all share the screen, but no pet What's that? No pet It is true though like for me like after I have that all valued out like I don't use anything in my draft But my rankings I just I've always been at use my own rankings kind of guy trust. I mean I do this. I trust myself So I think there are people who go a step further if you want to take this even further a couple of my friends have like Excel slash Google sheets where it like adjusts based on the auction live and tells you where the values are going to be You can take it as that further for sure All right, so I will share first. I'll share my three tips for winning your auction Okay, and then I'll share the team I oh I did last year, which I don't really think I followed my rules Because I just probably didn't get out that way well because you have to adjust can't just like you do have to adjust Yes, so let's so my three tips for winning your auction. I try to get at least two great players now Easier said than done in a in a shallower league. I play in a 12 team auction two running backs two receivers two flex One quarterback one tight end. It's fairly normal size leak I try to get at least two great players for me that would be like two of the top 20 Seven eightish something like that. No, probably more like 25 26th, but whatever it is for you I like I want to get I there's no way I'm walking out without one Unless it's just crazy prices, but I'd like so if you got if you got a marine hampton and AJ Brown you'd be happy I'd be very happy. Gotcha. Very happy. It doesn't have to be Jameer Gibbs and whatever, but I'd be very happy with that I've always find the value anyway before you before you go on like how much of your budget do a lot for those two players So if it's if it's it's changes if it's Gibbs bjohn and let's let's go let's go anywhere from Player 10 overall through 28 or whatever your number 20 to 25 26 Tell me what you think I think 50% 45 to 55% somewhere like that. It's depending on how things are going I the one when you said that my number was 40% 40 Okay, first of all like if I get two great players, I'm probably a one or two dollar quarterback guy And I might be a one or two dollar tight end guy Yeah, and this is all of a hundred dollar budget and if you do that then you can really spend up on two or more players But I think the value in these drafts is usually the guys that are like a little boring like a DJ more Or a David Montgomery they could go for four dollars late in your draft like no one's excited to nominate them So they get nominated late and not a lot of people have money at that point I love to save money. I love to have money at the end in a shallow league especially You still have good players who are gonna be nominated at the end So I don't want to run out of money. I like to be a bully at the end and take all the guys I want Yeah, I'm gonna show you who I did that with last year It was um, sorry. I'm gonna get rid of this. It was of course Isaiah Pacheco. I was so excited about it. I had $12 left. I remember as my last player He's like a three or four dollar player five dollar play whatever. I spent 12 on him just to get him But yeah, like that's I love to have money at the end because in that league Tony Pollard for nine. That's probably a reach. That's probably late draft to not Yeah, go ahead. I mean not to be like a Debbie downer at him But to me, I would consider that a poorly managed auction. I was gonna say the same thing Well, okay, I understand that was an ideal, but I had Trevor Lawrence for one and Tyler Warren for two So right, but if you if you took that $13 that you spent on Christian Kirk and Isaiah Pacheco and instead got two Really good seven dollar players. Yeah, look man. There's always gonna be in auctions There's always gonna be in retrospect that could have spent differently This wasn't the best auction. I did but I got JSN for 11. I got Hampton for 15 You know those those were good values and Trevor Lawrence for one and Tyler Warren for two Were great values and you don't take this off the screen. This is not a great Well, it's not a great auction Some of the players you have here. Look it happens man. I mean we were excited about RJ Harvey last year, right We were yes, and then the thing is like you go back and I just see Caleb Johnson and Joe mixed in and it makes me squeamish I know right, but you don't ever know like when I picked them Sometimes you have a lot of money left at the end of the draft and you just spend it because you have the money But all right, that's that's how I approach it. I like to get two great players I usually don't spend up on quarterback and tight end in an auction and I like to have money left over at the end So I can get the values for those mid-round guys that are like you know somewhere between 40 and 60 in the rankings and just kind of slip through the cracks So that's I think if you feel to kind of piggyback off that I think if you're of that mindset like you want to get those mid tier players later You should be nominating the high-end guys that you don't like Almost every time let other people fight for those players. You know, so it could be hey I'm not spending on Jameer Gibbs. I want two people to go spend 50% of their budget on one guy And then I'm gonna hope to do the same thing on bs on Robinson And I just know that I'm not gonna get one of those guys you could easily be one of the other players You know Dan used to phrase which a lot of people will know studs and duds you want to go get one of those high-end players Then by all means go be that manager There's nothing wrong with it But if you know you want to live in the mid tier and get a lot of those players and just have a Balance roster with a couple guys like Adam said let people fight for those high-end players And then early Nominate the buzzworthy guys if you're not in on them. So like for example You'd want to say hey Marson Lloyd. Hey Mike Washington Jr. Hey Dijon Stribling Those guys in most auctions if you're just looking or most drafts would be dollar and two dollar players You may get somebody spending five or six dollars on those players Whatever your budget may be a hundred fifty two hundred dollars. I'm going on a hundred dollar budget Let those people spend money that should not be spent and then you're getting somebody hopefully of a similar caliber That you like for example if I like Jalen Koker and I want somebody else to go get Dijon Stribling because everybody's talking about him Or Casey Concepcion or one of those players Hey Bid up that let that player go out early Spend the money early because everybody sits down at their auction Chompin at the bit they're ready to go ready to spend money. Be patient be patient People are looking at my team and saying it was terrible. There's no way I did well I was one of the highest scores in the league. I lost in the semi-finals And I led the league and scoring seven times that year that season. That's crazy No one else that roster looked no one yeah no one else did it more than twice I would say this is your softball league right? Yeah, by the end of the year I had the best team without question. I just didn't win the championship before the second best team So just so everybody understands The the thing about your softball team Is if you finished in the top four and the fantasy would they keep you on the team next year no matter how bad you are as player No, the thing that you should understand is that your your season is never over after your draft It's an auction or a draft or whatever Rico Dowdell is huge for me in that league For example, okay anyway, um, yeah, Jamie makes a great point about nominating Yeah, like what what do you do? Let's say your guy is um Dejan Stribling like you just have to have him. What's your approach with Dejan Strib? And you try to throw him out right away for two dollars. No 100? Of course not. Yeah. You try to throw them out for one dollar and see if you go. No, you don't throw them out early. You don't. The general rule with these auctions is do not nominate players you want to draft. There's just no value. Now it's not always the case. There are sometimes you're right where you need to. There's never really a sneak through early and drafts when people have money. But there are times where you need to nominate a player you want toward the end of an auction. And what I mean by that is if you're your whole strategy was I'm waiting for Kyler Mer, I'm just going to use an example. Kyler Mer at quarterback and this is more superflex. Again, in these one QB auctions, which I don't do any of, I just just like whatever at this stupid. It really turns the quarterback position into a joke, even though I kind of feel like snakes do it. But there are times the end of a draft where it's like Murray or whatever, you're waiting on him. And you actually have to nominate those players early because if you're waiting and other people are waiting, you're now not bidding on all these other players who are being brought up before him because you're like, no, no, I'm going to get this. And then there's a bidding more with that. And you've just totally screwed yourself because other people are waiting on that last player. So toward the end of the auctions when I start nominating, but as far as early in an auction, if you have a sleeper like stripling, do not nominate him. The key with auctions is never lock into certain players. Like that's really what the auction is all about. If you want to build out a great team, if you want to just get your guys, that's another way to play auction. Just I want these guys on my team. I'll bid whatever it takes. And you can maybe win that way if you're very good that you're predicting who's going to break out. You will win that way. But you're just certainly not getting value from that standpoint. I definitely would not do it early. I think if you're going to go with that mindset of, I got to get stripling. I got to get Washington. I got to get Lloyd. I got to get whoever, you know, so like, I know for you, I'm just using an example. I know for you, like Pacheco was somebody in the early part of this before he got injured. So you have to just assign a little bit of a dollar value to it. You know, so let's say like Dave, for example, he loves General Coleman. He loves Concepcion. He loves Golden. Right. Those are three of his favorite sleepers. If he knows like, I want to get those guys, I'm probably looking at them in a hundred dollar budget as one dollar players. Maybe Concepcion was a two dollar player, maybe Golden. I'll double that, but that's as high as I'll go. So if I'm late in the auction part of the process, I'll spend two dollars on Coleman. But okay, if I lose him, I lose him. I'll spend four dollars on Concepcion. But I can't go in with the mindset. Like Dan said, you can't just hyper focus on somebody, especially early. Like in your case, you had 12 dollars left for Pacheco. Okay. You know you can spend the most because you're playing bully ball at that point. That's totally fine. Right. I want that guy so badly. I'm going to spend as much as I have to because everybody's now in dollar bids or two dollar bids or whatever, you know, you're bidding against yourself. But in the case of doing it early, you're going to find like, oh, that's the guy everybody wants. So now a two dollar guy is probably a six dollar guy. And while that doesn't really hurt your budget, it also throws things off a little bit. Yeah. Another point, though, is that Pacheco last year. Look, obviously I liked him a lot and he was one of the worst draft picks I've ever made. But he was something like a six this round pick, right? He was a quality player like deserve to be drafted. And he was available like three hours into the auction. Yeah. So just that's always you're not familiar with it. There are a number of players. But that will fall through the cracks in auction. That's that's Dan's point, though. It's like if you nominated him early, he's probably going for seven or eight dollars, which is at that point six round pick that's around the value of it. You spent all your money at the end, right? That was your last one. Yeah. That was my last. So what if you could recall, what were you bidding against four dollars for somebody? Maybe five dollars for somebody can't remember, but that range, right? Four dollars for you mean for Pacheco? No, no, no. The other people in your league were down to like four or five dollars. Yeah, yeah. Right. So you could have still got him for the same cost. Had you done that earlier, he might have been a player that slips through the cracks. Also, you might have had to spend seven or eight dollars at that point, which would have just changed your whole philosophy. Yeah, right, right. Exactly. Okay. So no, fair enough. Now, tears, I think are super important in auctions. Jamie talked about that, but let's say, let's take the top 11 running backs. I'm going to kick genty out of that group and say there are those 11 running backs right now. And you, Jamie, you want to get one of them, right? Let's say that's your goal. What did like, do you not want to be the, do you not want to be bidding when there's only one left? You want to try to get in there before the tier ends? Yes. So I would just go with the idea of the mindset of, and you talk yourself into this however you want. Do you want to be in on, I'll say the top four guys, because I think those are going to be pretty locked in of Gibbs, Pijon, Taylor, McCaffrey. So if you want to be in, and there's a definite sliding scale with those two, but for those four, if you want to be in on those guys, then just make the commitment that you know you're going to have to spend probably close to half your budget for either the top two, and maybe 40% for the next two guys, or 35, 30 to 35% for the next two guys. I would probably look at it because this way I would approach it. I want to be in on Chase Brown, Ken Walker, Hampton, Barkley, Henry, again, sliding scale, H&N, sliding scale. And so once I see how the, you know, the nominees are going, the nominations are going, I'll probably throw in Gibbs or throw in Bijon if it comes to me, let somebody else again spend money on that. And then after two or three of them are off the board, just knowing that they're in the same tier for me, then I'll start to jump in. I don't want to be in your scenario where I'm fighting for somebody and spending more than I have to because now two of us are trying to get one of the last players in that tier. Jamie has a great strategy for DSTs and kickers. He nominates them early in the draft for one dollar, the ones he wants. If someone goes for two dollars on those kickers or DSTs, he says you can have them. It's a win. Yeah. This is an easy way to get the DST and the kicker you want is just to nominate them for one dollar and, you know, just get them. And if someone takes some, someone spends more than that, then that's on them. By the way, Clint Kubiak, somebody mentioned in the chat, I didn't see it, but Clint Kubiak did talk about Ash and Gen T today and said, kind of seems like he's going to play a week one based on what he said. But we're going to, we're going to, got another week to assess how he's going to look going into his first game, but we're counting on him, I think is what he said. So there's a good chance that Gen T plays early in the season. Good chance, Jeremiah Love plays early in the season. We just don't know how healthy they'll be. I think we already said it, but nominate players that you don't want that you think will go for a lot of money just to get some money off the board. Like, I'm not a Josh Allen guy. I'll nominate Josh Allen and someone's going to go spend a bunch of money on him and that's going to help me down the line. Anything else, Dan? Yeah, I have a bunch of little tips we won't get to. There's none of time. I'll just give my main most important rule because I do think it's the most important because I would say 30 to 40 percent feel the opposite way on this. And it's a tried and true 100 percent of people should be thinking this way. Do not ever price enforce in auctions. There is, it is a horrific strategy to get an amount on a player that you are not comfortable winning on. And I understand the upside of it. I understand why people want to do it. They're like, I spend 48 on this running back. I want this guy to go for 40, 45. So my buy looks better or whatever it may be. This is how you can blow up an entire draft by doing this. I've had twice in my own league when we used to be a one-cubi league. The bid, the team that bid, that won the number one quarterback throughout the second quarterback for a price and heard crickets. $20 starting bid going once, going twice sold. Now you're in a one-cubi league and you've spent all your money. A lot, a good chunk of your money on a Cubi one and Cubi two. Do not ever price enforce. It's a terrible strategy. It is not good. The upside does not outweigh the downside and it's not even close. Okay. Okay. Excellent. Anything else? Well, that's the main rule. I'm a bunch of that you've hit on. I've said another thing to consider is while you do want to always bid on players that you don't want to win, it's important also to keep in mind. Like if you just bid on your what, let's say you won Jameer Gibbs, for example, your next three two or three domination should be all of the next ranked running backs. You know no matter what within your budget, you're not going to be able to buy two backs. So anytime you feel within your budget, you can't spend on a certain type of player, nominate that player. Get other people to spend on that player. Yeah. That's what I was talking. I'm not priced. Like if I don't want Josh Allen, I'm not nominating him for 20. I'm nominating him for one and I'm just like everyone go out and spend whatever they want to spend. Jamie, anything else you want to add? One more thing. Before that, let me ask you about Gibbs. Jamie may have frozen a little bit here. How much for Gibbs and B is there is? How much for those guys? Like what percent on your league? What percent of your budget? Okay, it's not let's say it's not a super flex league. It's like a regular 12 team league. And it's on your league. I have both guys because you know our auction values are on the site. You can see them. They're based on a hundred dollar budget. I have Gibbs at 30 or 31 and B is on at 30 or 29. You know, so basically 30 percent. Okay. I think I'd be more I know I'd be more aggressive than that, especially with Gibbs. Probably 35. And so I feel like someone in your league is probably going to be there. It may not be you, but someone will be. It's again Dan said the phrase. You know, so if you want to lock up the number one running back, the number one receiver, both on the same team, two top receivers, two top running backs, you can do that. You just have to know like the rest of your roster could be crappy or you just have to be extremely creative and hope you get some lottery ticket running back. Some good late round receivers. You've got to probably be a one dollar quarterback guy and maybe a one dollar tight end guy. So or you know minimal depending on your budget. I just think you have to commit to that and understand that is your team. Those two players are your team going into it. And then hopefully everything falls in place waiver wire moves maybe some trades. But for the rest of the auction, you know that you're getting players that have to have a lot of upside and getting cheap. I it's been a while since I've said this. I did a we did a bold prediction show a few months ago. And my bold prediction was that Jamir Gibbs would have I think it was like the second best season by any running back in the last 10 years. Behind only Christian McAfrey that one year we average over 28 points played a full city like Jamir Gibbs in the last two seasons. He's played 17 games in which he's had 15 or more carries and he's averaged about 25 fantasy points per game. And he's done that with David Montgomery. David Montgomery over the last three seasons has the second most goal line carries in the NFL. That guy is gone. He was their goal line back last year, all three years. It's amazing. The fantasy point potential for Jamira Gibbs. It's almost like you have to talk yourself out of it because it's like how could someone be that good? But if he gets 95, like 80 percent of the fantasy points that the running backs and Detroit score, he's going to be worth probably 40 percent of your budget if not more. That's fair. If those things happen, that's fair. But it's like you can't really bank on that. It's the dream season. It's just yeah, that possibility is out there. He's so clearly the one one to me though this year. We don't always have that feel. I think he's so clearly the one one. I love when I pick second, and somebody takes the shot. I couldn't imagine being in a league like that. I haven't seen it. I couldn't. I'd be happy. I was in an illustraft that happened. I wasn't the two. I was the four. I was hoping he was live. Wow. And that was the whole point of my patcheko thing from a few months ago, which obviously doesn't apply anymore. But it's like I'd be willing to spend. Yeah, that would not be good. I'd be willing to spend crazy money on Jamira Gibbs if I really liked his handcuff and could get his handcuff for one or two dollars. And then I just feel like, okay, if he got hurt and my whole team imploded, then I'd have someone there that I felt could do pretty well. But I don't feel that way anymore. I mean, you could do that pretty easily with your McCaffrey love. I don't think so because I yeah, I just not really. I don't know who it's going to be. Yeah, but but that's a dollar that's well spent. I agree. He's spending it on black and are you spending it on James? Now you have three rosters. No, but you just have to be very hyper aware of if McCaffrey gets hurt and to whatever extent he gets hurt, you're going to have black and then maybe you go get James as well, just to see first couple weeks. It's not bad. Like if we're talking a hundred dollar budget and you get McCaffrey for about $25 and black for one dollar. It's not that bad because I think the only risk we feel like with McCaffrey is injury. We know if he plays is going to be really good. So yeah, I don't think he's going to completely think you know, they've made the case. I think it was on a CBS force network yesterday that if he or maybe it was on our show, that if he just has like the passing down's work regress to a point that you're just relying mostly on his rushing. Not I don't know if that's fair. Yeah, if it's passing down, if his targets go away and he's you know, not as reliant on his passing down's work, we could be looking at a 17 18 point per game guy, which is still good, but more of around two pick. I think the thing with McCaffrey, so I did this in a snake draft and it's obviously playing itself out right now is I drafted with three of my first four five four picks. McCaffrey, Ken Walker, and Marshawn Lloyd. And it's a deep enough bench where I took all three handcuffs. So I took Marshawn Lloyd. I took Emmett Johnson and I took Caitlin Black. So you can cover yourself in an auction in the same way. It's just know that instead of a dollar, you may have to pay to, you know, by the time you do your, you're doing your auction next week. So maybe we have a little bit more clarity on who McCaffrey's backup is. You know, I think in the case of Jonathan Taylor, for example, who's, you know, in that range of guys or Bees on Robinson, for example, you know, Brian Robinson and Seth McGowan, you know, those are dollar bids that you should be able to go through. So you're covering yourself in the event. They're not going to be the same player, but who else you spending dollar bids on that could have top 20 upside. All right, folks. That's it for our auction show. Really good tips here. Obviously we forgot the most important one, which is if you're doing a live in-person auction, you better nail the food. You got to have some really good food. You got to have some appetizers because it's going to be a while. It's so fun. It's, it's really. Would you go to like some pizza place or some? Yeah, it's Sir Wood. Dan would love it. And then he'd hate 24 hours. It's not 24 hours. It was an immediate reaction. No, I said the second slice once cold was bad of the mushroom and the entire time the chicken farm slice was horrible from the start. Everyone agreed on that. I was bad. In addition to it digesting horrifically, just showing how bad the ingredients were. I have seen by the horrible place to I think three team names that are Dan's indigestion because of what I ate because pizza time won't have that. Again, we ate the same exact thing and basically the same quantity of the same exact thing and I was fine. Not really the same quantity first of all, an extra slice of mushroom that you didn't have. No, I did. I had a full slice of the chicken farm. You had like one bite and so it was disgusting. You didn't take a second bite. Am I right about that? I was eating a full slice of a bad of a bad slice. I was hungry, man. We were starving and you just decided to take us to the work of a terrible pizza place. The next time we're all together, you guys are having an eating contest of some sort. The place been around in any eating contest. This guy has no shot against me in an eating contest. Are you kidding? Do you have like 60 pounds on you? If you want to do your eating contest from the toilet, you might be able to beat me. What does that mean? You're going to bar for our cream. Not barving. If it's not crappy ingredient, you know what time? I'm going to barf and I won't say the full name of this disgusting establishment on the air. And shockingly enough, James, he went back to it two days later, which I would eat there every day. It's the best. It's one of the best restaurants. You live in New York now where you get real pizza and you're still saying that. It's insane, dude. And by the way, the initial one, it was hot. The mushroom was good. I said four Florida pizza. I never said overall. Oh, God. It's story just keeps changing. No, it doesn't. You're putting words in my mouth. You and Nano should to share a team just, miss calling me all the time. All right. I'm down for an eating contest. No doubt. Actually, I don't think I could beat Dan. No, no, you guys haven't eaten contest. What do you do with that? What do you do with that cheese steak and the sandwiches from the Mt. Kizgo diner? I mean, it's like reckless. It's reckless. I feel bad for his body. All right. The burping was still like, it haunts me to the thing. It was haunting to be in that position where I couldn't, it was crazy. I threw up in my mouth like six times on that on that stream. Oh, I'm sorry. The two of you miked up on a tennis court, 50 feet from me. I'm sorry that I got you. How did you think it's me? I think it's so insulting. It was obviously, Dan. That's so insulting. All right. We'll talk to on Monday. Have a great weekend, everybody. I'm fantastic with all of it. Paramount podcasts. The heroes level up at Styrus and Gileus battle against the evil giant Deathhater to save the kingdom of Euria from so much peril. These are nice, ordinary towards bad brothers. Sentience Skeletons, swords, Scorpion, Death Armor, fire, in this thing, that thing. Whatever that is. So much peril and heroes. This is just the beginning of the story of Hampton Square. Golden Axe, new series streaming September 16th on Paramount Plus.