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And meanwhile, he has been unfaithful to Sweden. Sean has now come into us from Hyderabad, India, where you've been living for what, five years now, Sean? I've been living here about four years. I really can't imagine a place more different from Scandinavia than India or South Asia. And Sean is working with the local NGO there, but has come to talk to us about being a tourist in Hyderabad. Sean, welcome to the show. Thank you Chris, pleasure to be here. I was wondering if now I win some sort of amateur traveler award for longest length of time between shows or something. Oh, I don't know. I'm not sure with who that would be. I'll have to look that one up. And what led you to Hyderabad? I would like to say it's the great culprit of a romantic relationship that actually brought me from Sweden with a shortstop in Thailand, where my wife was doing some volunteer work for a little while. And we got married and we had visited India a couple times and just sort of experienced it and said, you know, there's so much need in India. It would be really great to go do some kind of overseas work and service for maybe a year or two before we have kids and before we come back home and kind of get started with the rest of our lives together. And sure enough, four years later and two children later, we're still here in India, in southern India, actually in the city of Hyderabad. And so I have to blame it on my wife that took me away from my beloved Scandinavia and down here to South Asia. And why should we follow you? Why should we come and visit Hyderabad? I just think that for a traveler, and I say for a traveler, meaning your first time overseas, I would not recommend India. I would recommend a little bit more of a traditional destination, perhaps. I know people who did their first trip overseas to India and I think that is jumping in the deep end. I would say, and I was going to say this a little later, but they will either love it or hate it based on that. And so, but I just really think that India is worthy of your travel interests because there is so much distinction and so much difference in India really is so counterintuitive in many ways. And I would say that the first time that you come to India should probably be to the more traditional spots, the golden triangle, which includes the, yeah, Delhi and Agra with the Taj Mahal and just places up in the north. That is, the Taj Mahal is magnificent for all the reasons that people do go see it and everything. So that should be your first trip. And then maybe if you're going to be here an extended amount of time come down to southern India with Hyderabad as kind of a jumping off point. But even if you came back a second time to experience southern India is so much different than it is in the north of India. It's a lot less intense. It's a lot more, I'd say, welcoming in some ways. It's a lot more, it's just kind of more laid back, like a lot of southern regions of countries just seem to be a little more laid back, whether it's Italy or other places. And that's kind of how you feel in India. Now if you came to India for your first time in southern India, you wouldn't necessarily say it was chill. That's not the great description of India. But it is in comparison to the north a lot. A lot different. Every region of India is almost like its own different country. There are actually 28 states in India and almost all of them speak their own local language. And it's kind of astonishing that India even remains one united country because the south and the north are so different in each state in India. It's just so different. But I think you come to Hyderabad for a different kind of city and history altogether. National Geographic Traveler actually recently called Hyderabad, one of the 20 best places to see in the year 2015. It's known for its cuisine. It very much is about the inclusion of all people. Most of India is, or when you look at statistics of India, it's 88% Hindu, 10% Muslim, 2% Christian, a few other religions even lower than that. Here in Hyderabad, it's actually about 60% Hindu and 40% Muslim. It's got a history that is unlike the rest of India, in that it was never actually conquered or controlled by the British during the Raj. They always had a British resident, which is a way of saying kind of like an ambassador. And Hyderabad, this area, was one of the areas that was controlled by one of the so-called princely rulers, or the Nizam. And everywhere you go in Hyderabad, you hear all about the Nizams and the history of the Nizams. And that was really just kind of the princely ruler who had a nice diplomatic relationship with the British. And I would say they were allies with the British. I remember my history correctly. They were allies with the French or British depending on what century it was, etc. They played their card well. And that's actually a source of pride amongst Hyderabad. People is that they have a little bit of a different history. And a whole lot of the things that you might come to see in this area would be connected to that. There's also a really well-known literary history in Hyderabad. And it's now actually the fourth largest city in India. And that could be by surprise, yeah. Yeah, Mumbai, Delhi, and Bangalore all have a greater population. But now most populated city isn't necessarily a reason to come visit from a tourist perspective. But it just says that a lot of people are coming to Hyderabad and interested. And it's very much one of your up-and-coming cities around the world. Well, and I have, for here in Sokan Valley, as we were talking about before, we started recording. I think of Hyderabad as one of the tech centers, sort of Mumbai, Bangalore, and Hyderabad as being three of the important centers in India that we are interacting with from this point of view. Sure. And one of the major areas of Hyderabad that is kind of new is called actually Hytech City here in Hyderabad. And that's a major part of the growing identity of Hyderabad, for sure. In fact, the new Microsoft CEO is originally from Hyderabad. Oh, right. I do remember Sacha Nadella. Correct. Yeah. What kind of itinerary would you recommend for Hyderabad? Well, first I would say fly into Hyderabad and see one of the more recently built airports, I think, in the world. This one opened in 2008. And then I would say, let's say you were doing a southern itinerary. I would give it about three or four days in Hyderabad for just a kind of new and very, in some ways, very mysterious city. That is, of course, a little bit different than the rest of India. And then maybe you have three or four days for the western coast, whether it be the more resort town of Goa, or three or four days down in the more well known area of Kerala with its backwater hill stations. It's really kind of got a mystique to it. And then I would recommend something a little bit different for a couple days, and that's to do your best to get out into maybe some of the villages or some of the more non-touristed areas of southern India, which is such an important part of really knowing about and understanding India. And we can get into that a little bit. Well, I do want to recommend two companion episodes that take place in southern India. They're both older. The one we did on Kerala already, and then we did another one that's an unusual one about the Induro 1000, which was a motorcycle tour across rural India. And so that you can have to go way back in the archives to find that one. I think that may have been before you and I talked at episode 115. Yeah. Okay. Let's take a break here and hear from our sponsor. Again, this episode is sponsored by me. We do have a new video course that's coming, which is a course on hosting with Airbnb. And as I mentioned on last week's show, my wife and I have been hosting on Airbnb now for a number of months have had so far only good experiences. And we have either paid for our mortgage or mostly paid for our mortgage, which either gives us more money to travel or in my case also made it easier. The fact that I'm not working full time right now, and I'm trying to make a go of some other things. So if you've got a spare room Airbnb might be a good option for you. You can learn more about it on my upcoming video course. If you're interested, get on the waiting list and with your traveler dot com slash Airbnb. So flying to Hyderabad. And like I said, discover this region of the Nizams. Okay. And how are we going to do? I'm going to get pin you down a little bit more specific. Where do we start of the first day? I think as far as the things you should see, there is the Galcon de Fort, which is up on a hill. I mean, still to this day very much isolated and set apart where you can see over the entire city. And of course, it was such a main place for the protection of Hyderabad all through the years. It was built in I believe the 1500s. And it's crumbling now, of course, and it's not restored in the same manner it may have been through or 400 years ago. But it still is a great example and a real good experience of just kind of hopping around a site and almost feeling like you can do a little bit of a hike to the top and then experiencing and seeing all of Hyderabad in that way. So that's the Galcon de Fort. And you see a hike to the top. I'm part of my interruption. Is that the way you would recommend to get there or I'm not sure how we would get around Hyderabad in the first place. I think you would go from the airport. You obviously head to I would say a mid-range hotel that might be anywhere from 30 to $50 or so. And we just catch a cab is how we get around. And you can easily catch there. There would be many different options at the airport for getting you into town. If you've made reservations ahead of time, it would be really good to ask if they have airport shuttle or something. And then you get to your location, settle in and then you'd have any number of whether it be taxis or even airport shuttles. There's a lot of really good tours that take you around the Hyderabad area if you wanted to do a specific type of tour. Well, which ones would you recommend? So detours India is a really good Hyderabad based tour company that depending on what you are interested in and what you might like is going to take you on any number of tours be it cuisine oriented or historical city oriented or even like arts and crafts oriented types of tours. Each tour is in between three and five hours and a fairly reasonable price depending on what it is. And that's a really good way I think to start out and get used to an oriented a little bit with the city. Because it can be the word that's often used for people coming to India can be pretty overwhelming and you can get a little disoriented here and there and to have somebody kind of come in and help you get acclimated would be would be really good. So you could do the historical tour and then visit the fort as well as the area called the Charminar, which is basically like an arch to trium of Hyderabad large structure with it was formerly a mosque and in parts it still is but it's very much like the gate the gate of Hyderabad if you will. The center of the old city area so you can go go up into the Charminar and take a look at the city and see what it is that attracts so many people to Hyderabad and at the same time you look down at the bazaar that is directly beneath you it's just one of the largest bazaars in India and has everything you'd ever imagine whether it be textiles or jewelry or spices. And when your friends come to visit you what do they end up buying at the bazaar they usually buy textiles sorry especially like women who love to be able to to dress up much like the Indian women actually a great way to get to no locals would be to go to these markets and choose from a number of very affordable of course different types of clothing and then just learning to put on a sorry for a woman is such a great way to. Kind of have some fun interaction with local women who understand that putting on a sorry is not a natural thing and can take a lot of time and can be a very Indian experience in that way and then of course spices I think a lot of people love to buy spices to take home. Those are obviously something that said in any particular is famous for and even empires have battled for for centuries but other places in the in the more old city area there's chalmahalah palace which was restored by the last measoms couple hundred years ago and there's four different types of architectural styles in this one palace so that's a really interesting thing to go through but the what the traveler needs to know about. Hyderabad and really anywhere in India is it's different of course than say European travel in that. Forts are now replacing cathedrals and palaces are replacing museums in that sense there's not really any one museum and Hyderabad that I would say the foreigner needs to come and check out and. The traveler needs to see there's the so our junk museum which has a lot of artifacts and miniature paintings if you really want to see a museum or something but really it's about. Forts and the palaces and the religious centers and then experiencing the food and the cuisine and and really just putting yourself in position to be able to talk to people they will really really be so interested in you choosing India and you choosing Hyderabad and why you've come what your country is and whether you've had the Buriani which is one of the famous cuisine that they have. What are my favorites now you mentioned interacting with the locals what's the you've been trying on sorry for instance was one way to do it do you have practical suggestions that when you want to meet the locals this is a great place to go where this is a great activity to do. Yeah in addition to just kind of spontaneous things whether it's learning to make Buriani or learning to put on us so sorry or get some henna put on I guess for a woman you can have henna put on at any time you can talk about India's beloved national past time cricket and that will get you in with some people but. But we say you can talk about is there a place where those conversations happen so if you're in turquoise in the tea house so if you're in yeah nice in the coffee house certainly over meals any restaurant you went into. The unique part to about coming to India as a as a traveler you are going to be standing out of course and you're going to be known as a traveler and there's no way around that you shouldn't avoid that that's great and you are welcome so when you go into a restaurant you're going to. You're going to be able to attract people's attention and really Chris they're going to come talk to you has been my experience okay of course I have a child and so that opens the door a lot for people to. Always to any anyone that I've hosted or or had here has had people come up to them and just be so interested can I take your picture can I take a picture with you what country do you come from what do you think of India with a real. Genuine spirit about them that just bring such a warm feeling about the country there's really rarely as long as you're smart there's just really rarely any any threat or any feeling of of ever feeling at all insecure out of place when you're amongst many many Indians all at once and you'll be in lots of places where there's. Just a lot of people all around whether it's a market or even a real popular restaurant or street front cafe or whatever it might be and you've mentioned popular restaurants restaurants come times suggestions where would you take people specifically the place in Hyderabad that's really well known for this Buriani the Buriani is a special kind of rice that is a little bit lengthier I think I've heard it's even picked in a special way and the most popular kind of rice that's used right now is called basmati rice and then you just add nutmeg and pepper and cloves and cardamom and cinnamon and even like coriander and mint. And it can just be such a really wonderful meal with so much flavor and it really originated most people point to Hyderabad is the place that this dish originated a lot of people will say it has some. Persian elements that have come in over the that were that came in many hundreds of years ago and now it's been developed a little bit more in Hyderabad but it's very much the kind of iconic food for this area the place you should go it's there's a number of restaurants throughout the city called paradise and that's a well known place that a lot of our Indian friends love to go for their Buriani. But honestly most anywhere you go if someone serving Buriani it's going to be their specialty it's going to be the dish that they take such pride in especially if they are serving it to someone who's non Indian they will make sure there's even a very very intricate and delicate way that they prepare it for a few hours at least you can order the Buriani and just about any comfortable restaurant that there might be in town. So now you mentioned sort of three to four days in Hyderabad I'm not sure I have a picture of how I'm spending those those three or four days so far I've got the forward and I went to the palace any other city. I did the old city and that's going to take about a day a day and a half as my take you know what whatever it looks like on an agenda cut that agenda in half. I would say most likely try to do say that Charmin are this gateway to India and the palace maybe over the course of three to five hours with even a meal in between plus the bizarre that would be that would be a whole day in and of itself and what I'm trying to say Chris I guess is that if you come to India and you have a very full itinerary because you hopefully have done a little bit of research. It's going to get foiled and how you how you manage that will dictate a lot of the kind of experience that you have and that's why it's really a good place for more of a season traveler to come so they can kind of roll with it because it's going to be important to let yourself adjust as you go. And you say it's going to be foiled so there's a couple different ways we go there. One is it's going to be poiled by something's going to go wrong and you can't tell me what it is because it's hard to protect and two is just getting around the city with the traffic and those sort of things means that I need to allow more time for things. Is it a combination of those or I would say Chris it's a combination of the it really is just kind of a place where let's just say it's an event oriented culture. Rather than a time oriented culture 10 a.m. could mean 10 20 or 10 45 even can you give us an example of how that's played out in the four years that you have been there. We tell our driver and I should say that you if you're if you're going around the city and you're going long distances or any kind of tour you should definitely hire a driver. No one no travelers come to India and rent a car themselves is just not worth it. It's very cheap to be able to have a driver in a car and that's the way that you should be able to get around. So you might tell your driver please pick us up at 9.30 a.m. because we will have had breakfast at 8.30 as we're getting up to start our day and you come down from your hotel and they said that breakfast was going to start around 8.30 in the morning and around 8.55. The first things are being served and so you've been sitting there for 20 minutes and then you have your breakfast and you're looking at your watch because your driver is going to be there at 9.30 so you run up stairs to brush your teeth and get ready for your day and you're down stairs at 9.31. wondering if you're late and the driver is not quite there and you're waiting and waiting and waiting in around 9.50 or so your driver finally arrives and says so sorry, there was traffic and things and you say that's that's really nice. That's okay. No worries and then you get in the car and you get going and you wanted to be at the Charminar by 10 o'clock because that's when you've maybe heard the bizarre as opened or whatever. You actually getting there around 10.30 an hour and a half after it opened because today was a special holiday and so it opened early and then you get to the bizarre and you are completely disoriented at the bizarre and you have to kind of gather yourself and you're not sure exactly where your driver went to park the car if you have the right phone number for him to call him or whatever. You go up the Charminar and you take a look and then all of a sudden you realize I am so hungry because I didn't quite get what I needed at breakfast and you need to stop and get some food somewhere along the way and one thing just kind of leads to another and all of a sudden you've done two of the five things on your agenda and it's 4.30 in the afternoon and there's been a slight downpour of rain that's holding you up as well. So that's why I'm saying you have to really experience. Thank you, that helped. And not and not really have some agenda that's meant more for Vienna or London. You may as well just put your watch away that might that might be helpful at times so that you're not so geared to our western oriented time. Most of their for four years tell me about the moment that you knew you had adjusted to India. One time we were asking at this time we have a staff member not so much a driver but a staff member who is a part of our organization who is taking us on a six hour journey actually out into see some of the villages where we where we are working. And something's happened in his family and so he's he's an hour and a half late and our whole our whole day is off because we already have this long journey and it involves things that we're doing for work and everything so it's even a little bit different and just kind of have to look at each other and say okay. And I like to say that you can have plan A and plan B and plan C and then plan D might be the one that actually comes about and you just need if you're able to embrace that and roll with that and be okay with that then you're going to have a wonderful experience in India. Showing one of the questions I usually ask is what's going to surprise me about Hyderabad and I feel like everything so so let's not bother that question. What I would like you to think of one day that Hyderabad surprised in a great way. We were traveling and staying in a hotel page was again it was in our first year of being here page was trying to put on her sorry and was just having a little bit of trouble she done it successfully a couple times but it was a new sorry and she wasn't able to do it as well as she knows that it needs to be done. And so what we had to end up doing was calling on one of the attendance in our hotel and the females in our hotel and she came in and she helped page put it all together and put it on just so beautifully and so wonderfully and there was such a pride in her work and her being able to serve us in that way and her being able to help us. That the hotel gathered their whole staff together and gathered page and I and took pictures of us and they called it for hotel morale. But it was so wonderful to be able to let them help us in that way and that's something I would really encourage people to do you're going to be in position to let indigenous culture Indians here. Help you and offer to give you service and and direction and enjoying you and say let me come with you and show you how to do this and for the most part you really need to be able to embrace that and not have say an independent traveler spirit that says no no I can do it I can do it on my own just point me in the right direction. And there is a warmth of desire and wanting to help that should really be accepted and embraced by the traveler coming through India and if we had put off this woman who wanted to help us with the sorry and just put on some western clothes and then gone about our day we probably would have gone and had a good day but we would have missed such a key cultural and local interaction. Here's a question for you what do you think of two times one win hydropod just seems so familiar just so much like home I can't believe how similar it is and the other the opposite a day when you thought I could easily be on Mars this is just so foreign. This is the uniqueness of India in many ways when you are in say the metropolitan city certain part of the metropolitan say let me say the commercial part of some of the metropolitan cities say even in hydra there's big huge malls there's really nice areas that look very generic I would say to a lot of other big cities those can be found even here in in southern India. That's a time when I say oh this is very similar to home and obviously when you're living here that can be somewhat refreshing as a traveler would say avoid those places don't go to the big malls of course stay in the areas that are more unique towards the traveler so I would say there is the opportunity just like in other big metropolitan cities to have a lot of experiences that might be more similar to being home. And then there's the other extreme that you were talking about and I know I'm a long long way from southern California and I'm going to give you actually two answers one is going to be it's so cliche but if you are in a car or any method of transport anywhere it is a pure adventure for the person who's not used to it. I wouldn't say it's dangerous although a lot of people do think they might be closer to a head on collision in India than they've ever been other places but the driver is never flinching and perfectly in control and perfectly in charge is just not efficient or orderly to the foreign perspective. And then the other one is lines or queuing or lack thereup it just doesn't happen so you might be in line at the market or in line say picking up some medicine or just doing anything you might do in your travels and you're just watching so amazed and probably even offended because six people have cut in line and these are hospitable wonderful people. Yes, they are they just operate on a different different mindset about how you go about these things I would say get aggressive and you might even have to cut somebody else off and you'll be surprised to know that they're actually expecting that because that's how it works in a sense in on the in the driving as well as when you're queuing up or getting in line to purchase something or ask a question or doing something that others are doing at the same time just cut yourself through make make your way through and do what you need to do and everyone else is kind of adjusting to that and expecting that to happen. I was just looking up you were talking about how it's not like it's unsafe and I thought well how unsafe is it so I looked up by country traffic related death rates going going on to a negative place here. The safest place to be in terms of well the federal state's of my Micronesia and Maldives but there's just not a lot of roads there this safest country that I can think of that of any size is Norway. Apparently with just a little less than three road fatalities per 100,000 people by comparison United Kingdom a little more than three US about three times that and then India more than the US but not not twice as much. So about six times as much as the United Kingdom. A lot of why we say that Christmas because so often you just don't get going very fast. Sure traffic or the roads are bumpy and this is a very interesting take on that we have a Indian staff member who's been to the United States and he said he has never been on more dangerous roads than in the United States. We looked at him very puzzled and said explain how come he said the roads are so smooth and so straight you can get going so fast and you can fall asleep and nobody on Indian roads is falling asleep and you can't get going very fast because of bumps and other things that are just in the road that you have to be aware of. So we thought that to be a good lesson on different perspectives of what driving in a sense is all about in different places and to finish that thought the two countries you least want to be driving or in a car are Dominican Republic oddly enough with more than almost four times the amount of traffic fatalities US and Eritrea which you are not likely to be in probably not. But I never thought I'd be in India there you go will so I've got a few more questions of this short for you before we go to wrap this up is there anything else specific though you can think of that we ought to see do or eat. Part of the experience of India is is the contrast and the extremes yeah so on one thing you've got lavish India with the palaces and the opulence and kind of that colonial India feel and then of course on the other end you've got the poverty so I want to say that you to really experience India should get a little bit of both here in Hyderabad there is a restored palace. That is now a hotel that is upwards of five stars and five hundred dollars a night which in India is just an incredible amount of money no I'm not recommending that your listeners actually stay at this hotel but I am recommending that they go have tea so that they can experience this sort of lavish India in a way that is very authentic and that Indians do take a lot of pride in. And the name of the hotel is it is called the Taj Follok Numa F-A-L-A-K and you M-A Follok Numa. So it's now owned by the Taj Hotel chain correct the Taj Hotel chain has restored it and this I believe was or I know was the last palace that the Nizams had so there is a very historical element to this palace of course. And it was built I believe as late as the early 1800s and then restored just recently to where it is now and it's overlooking the whole city as well. So you go up of course this hill to the palace and they welcome you like you are a king and a queen and they escort you to your table or your room whatever you're there for. And you can just have tea for say $10 a person or something like that and it's very much an experience and it's very much a part of what India is. And then you go down the hill after tea and you head to maybe a storefront Buriani shop where you see a lot of other locals attending much like other countries if you see a lot of locals there then you know what it's probably fairly healthy and you can trust it and use your instincts but and then you go have your dinner which is Buriani for about one fifth the price of what your tea was at the Taj Follok Numa. And that's just a fun way to experience India and the extremes that it has so the Taj Follok Numa and then I would say that as far as eating southern India is known for its triumvirate of vegetarian cuisine. I've talked a lot about the Buriani which you can also add chicken and mutton which is like a lamb and then egg to it if you want. And then for breakfast they have this wonderful crepe like bread sort of thing where it's called Dosa Dosa and inside Dosa you can put any number of things from potatoes to onions the spices to even just having it plain and having it with a lot of the famous Indian chutneys. So this is very much a wonderful 11 breakfast here in India people have their Dosa you can get it on the street if you'd like and it's certainly available in many many of the hotels. And then for lunch perhaps my favorite meal when I'm here in Hyderabad is called tali t h a l i and it's one big platter and on that platter you might have about seven or eight small different tins and to us it would look like a classic sampler platter of all that the restaurant has to offer. And in it you'll have different dolls which is like the cooked lentils different curries be it the potato curry or even paneer curry which is paneer is basically like Indian cheese and then other different types of vegetarian options to go with rice or flatbreads non people know of the Indian non that's very much a northern flatbread in the south they have what's called roadie our ocean. Or even in the villages you have chapati and you can get any number of different kinds of flatbreads with this kind of lunch tali sampler platter and what is chapati how is it different chapati is a little bit thicker it's a little bit more greasy okay is very much like a like a tortilla right a little bit thinner than that but it's it's like into that. I think of roadie is being crisper am I on the right okay it could yeah definitely more than a tortilla it's crisper than tortilla yeah. So you've got this tali sampler platter with all kinds of different flavor flavorful foods and you can they just keep on bringing it as much as you need so in a sense tali is and all you can eat specialty along with something sweet for dessert in one of the little tins as well as something that can serve as. We haven't talked anything about the spicy food a lot of the food here in this part of India is very spicy and you can have something on that platter that helps to dull the spice after a nice hot Indian meal. So you've got dosa for breakfast tali for lunch baryani for dinner that is one fantastic southern Indian hyper bad day of eating and that's an important part of any experience in India. Excellent. Anything else we should make sure we cover before we get to my last four questions. I haven't talked like I thought about the villages if you want to experience a part of India that is truly unique that guide books and companies would not necessarily have any kind of tour for or recommend. I would say get out to some of the villages somehow some way obviously doing so in a very safe way ask the tourist information centers if they have any kind of connection or or relationship with any of the places just outside of a major city. So if you drove like an hour outside the city and were able to somehow partake in a home meal in a village it really is the experience of a majority of India. You feel about the rise of India and we talked about high tech India and that really only involves maybe 200 to 300 million people of India leaving 800 million still in the role and agricultural areas and I just really emphasize that full experience of India. And especially one that you may not you would have in comparison to others who would never never have this kind of experience to somehow be welcomed into a village home for a meal one would be such an honor for that family to host you into would be such a wonderful experience for you. But you knew you would need to have somebody to kind of be your guide or your help in that the tourist information center might look at you a little puzzled and then look at each other and say well you have an uncle and an aunt who live in such village and maybe they would be interested to host you and it might be a day's experience or at least an afternoon and into an evening. Make sure you go with someone that you trust whether it's connected to a hotel or connected to a travel agency or connected to the tourist information center and then just throw that out there. So if you're doing a Southern India and itinerary three or four days in Hyderabad three or four days in Kerala maybe set aside a couple days for what can be just kind of described as village India and you might have an experience that you just never could have planned and never could have expected but that was one of the biggest impressions of your trip. Excellent. Last four questions you're standing in the prettiest spot in all of Hyderabad where are you standing and what are you looking at. I would definitely want to take you back to the Charminar. You've just hiked up some stairs to get to the top no elevators at something built in the 1500s and you're standing there and you look straight down and you see the auto rickshaw is the little yellow car. You look like little tongue cars or something just going all over the place and honking and having their horns going continually and just giving that rhythm to the Indian city that you already be familiar with. And then you look around and you see as far as the eye can see one of the biggest markets and bazaars that you've ever seen. And they're full. It's full of locals. These are people who live here that have locked say two kilometers from their home to get their fruits and vegetables for the day or to pick up their spices and they're going to the market like we go to the grocery store. You would see very, very few foreigners even in the middle of an old city in what would be considered one of the most touristed parts of the of the city. You just won't see that many other foreigners and then you look over and you see this Chalamala palace which is restored and open for for people to come in and experience what it must have been like a few hundred years ago in this very part of the city. You're just thinking I am no longer in a European capital. And for that matter, this isn't Kansas anymore either. This is definitely travel and experience of other places in this world and cultures that you could never have imagined that you be able to experience. And that is what Hyderabad offers the traveler coming through to experience India. Excellent. One thing that makes you laugh and say only in Hyderabad, only in India. I'd like to share actually a story. I'm not able to share yet just about cricket. At any time you'd be able to go out and find a group of kids maybe who are playing cricket. And if you showed some interest, they may very well give you the bat and say good luck. And they may even say it in English because English is so widely spoken throughout throughout India. And then they'll throw the ball. And if you have any kind of experience playing American baseball, you'll swing the cricket bat much like a baseball bat because that's what I did and they looked at me after one swing and said, you swing like a baseball bat. And I thought to myself, well, yeah, that's my culture and country. I didn't know there was a big difference. I thought with cricket, you just sort of swung a little bit more towards the ground like a golf club, but still ended up more like a baseball swing and turns out I was completely wrong. And they of course went on to show me over the next 20 minutes how I was swinging so poorly and what I should do to improve my swing and how they can do it so much better. And that made me chuckle and laugh because of course that's just a very, very native experience and certainly so unique to the Indian culture is cricket, although of course it's played in many other of the British Commonwealth countries. So when you finish this sense, you really know you're in Hyderabad when you really know you're in Hyderabad, when you are finishing off a wonderful Biryani that you thought Biryani might be involved in this. That you have adjusted to the spice level over the last few days and you've really kind of enjoyed it and you can just kind of sit back and you look around and there's a few eyes that have wandered towards your table and you can tell that somebody wants to come up and talk to you and wants to find out what country you're from. And maybe even take a picture or in the case of my wife and I you they want to hold your baby and take your baby all around the restaurant showing off your two year old or your six month old in our case and you just have this wonderful experience of being in a place completely unfamiliar. But you start to feel like maybe it's becoming a little more familiar even after just a few days because of the warmth of the people because of the uniqueness of the food and if you've spent a little time that day in the old city and are starting to become familiar a little bit with how to adjust to Indian culture, then you can really just kind of sit back and say this was a wonderful day in Hyderabad. Excellent. And if you had to summarize Hyderabad in just three words, what three words would you use? Well, first of all, exhilarating. It's just exhilarating to be in this culture and to be challenged in many ways and it can be very much a rush. And if you're one who is interested in cultures and people and geography and places and you've come a long, long way, you're not going to be disappointed. It's going to be very exhilarating. Similar to that, I would say that another word that I would use is boundaries. And I say boundaries because your boundaries are probably going to be pushed at different times. And that's part of the experience. That's part of coming here is like I said, adjusting your expectations a little bit and easing off of the agenda and just really being able to adjust but your boundaries and your expectations will get changed around a little bit. And that's really part of travel and part of why a lot of people really promote and encourage travel is because you need to let it change you and that that can be a real positive part of coming to India with the right mentality. I think the last word I may have used this a little bit earlier but that we find ourselves using so often is the word raw. India is just very raw. Because of those extremes, you've got of course the rich and poor right next to each other, people are well aware of that. You've also got such beauty and even such ugliness for lack of a better term, something that might be shoved aside in other countries or pushed away in other countries is sitting right next to something that is beautiful. You've got rich and poor beauty and ugliness, life and death even that's just right next to each other and it's just all a part of life and there's no facades and there's no shiny exterior and India. There's where would they begin to start if they wanted to just create this shining exterior so you just leave with this impression that India is very raw it's life in the raw for good and for bad. And again it's something that really changes you if you let it it's important I think to kind of press into the poverty in some ways that can really strike you if you've never experienced it or seen it if you come to India. And especially if you do an itinerary similar to what I've talked about you'll be exposed to some some poverty and there's really no way to avoid it when you come here nor should you and so we I would really encourage just to kind of experience it and wrestle with it and be exposed to the rawness of India for good and for challenging at times. Excellent our guest again has been Sean Whiting Sean thank you so much for coming back on the amateur traveler after so long a hiatus. Thank you Chris such a pleasure and sharing with us a little bit of viewer I want to say accidental love affair with the hydra body India. This is true thank you very much for having me I'll I'll see you in another seven years. In news of the community I have not forgotten about the question where we will go next for amateur traveler for an amateur traveler trip but we're a little deadlocked we could really use your help please join the Facebook group at amateur traveler dot com slash trip. 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