This episode explores the deeper meaning of purpose beyond milestones or achievements. It emphasizes that purpose is not a trophy to be won but a continuous inner guide that fuels our journey. The conversation highlights how survival patterns—driven by urgency, performance, and external validation—often mask our authentic selves. True authenticity emerges when one can continue a passion even without payment, praise, or recognition, and feels a sense of peace and alignment during the work. The conversation also addresses the practical challenge of balancing a creative passion with financial stability, urging listeners to avoid making permanent decisions during times of stress. Instead, they are encouraged to see life as seasonal—like nature—where focus shifts across different areas (career, family, business) without failure. The core message is that purpose doesn’t demand perfection or constant action; it thrives in balance, presence, and self-awareness. Through real-life stories, the host illustrates how people can integrate passion and work without sacrificing well-being. The episode concludes by inviting viewers to pause, reflect, and prioritize their true values over external expectations, reminding them that vulnerability and honesty are powerful steps toward real self-discovery. It also introduces partners like Mazda, Walden University, and Wayfair as resources that support mental peace, flexible learning, and intentional living. Ultimately, the message is one of balance: purpose isn’t about doing everything at once, but about choosing what matters most and allowing space for rest, growth, and connection.
Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll talk to you soon. Some feelings are too big, too messy, too complicated to fit in a text. I know you don't want to talk about. So you stop typing, hit record, and just talk. That's what you sent me, and I'm grateful for it. Today, we're opening up a conversation about purpose. We often treat purpose like a finish line. We think if he just reads that big goal, get that promotion or finally find that one thing that makes everything click will be satisfied. But purpose is not a trophy you collect at the end of a race. It is the fuel you use while you're running. Whether you're feeling stuck in the middle burnt out by your own success or searching for meaning that lasts longer than a single achievement, you are not lost. You're just learning how to build a mission that matters more than a milestone. What you're about to hear are real stories from real people who are part of this community. Maybe you could be one of them in the future. I call it to dive in. I'm in my mid 40s and within a pretty short period of time, I've faced breast cancer at the end of a long marriage and also a realization that the career path that worked so hard to build no longer suits me or feels like what I want. For most of my life, I've been the reliable one forever and else so that worked and personally and appear pre-capable, performing even when I was feeling completely depleted. Those treats that helped me succeed, I became really good at meeting expectations, keeping everything together. But in that process, I lost touch with what I really wanted for myself. I have examined my life and where I want to go while recovering physically and emotionally. Sometimes I struggle to know whether the pole is genuine in our bag and so if it's simply another attempt to prove myself. So my question is, how do you tell the difference between your authentic inner voice and the survival patterns that you've been guiding your decisions for years? Well, thank you for that question. I want to start by just acknowledging the courage it takes to even ask this question. I find many people survive what you've survived. They never stop to ask whether the life they're returning to is actually the one they want. And that's fine because sometimes the pain can be so overbearing, but you're doing something really hard. You're examining not just what happened to you, but who you've become because of it. Now, there was something you said that really stood out to me. You said what I called strength was actually adaptation and that's an incredibly profound reflection. Adaptation can keep us alive through difficult seasons, but the strategies that help us survive aren't always the ones that help us truly live, right? You can develop a tool or a habit because it helps you get to the top of the mountain, but that doesn't mean that same tool or habit will help you get to the core and the depths of yourself. And so I want you to think a bit broader about this and this applies to everyone who's ever been in this position of finding is this their authentic path? Is this their passion? Is this their purpose? The question isn't whether writing or speaking or coaching are the right path for you. The deeper question is, who is making the decision? Is it the part of you that believes your worth comes from being useful and productive? Or is it the part of you that feels most alive when you're helping people from a place of wholeness rather than expectation? I want to draw a bit of a difference for you between what survival patterns look like and what your authentic voice looks like. I found that survival patterns usually are a bit urgent. They're full of pressure. They're like, "Figure it out now. Do more. Become more valuable. Don't fall behind. Keep proving yourself. You've got more to show." And your authentic voice is often a little gentler. It's a little more quiet. It doesn't demand that you earn your worth. It's more of like an invite into, "Hey, I think this might be right for you. It's like a little nudge, like a general friend." And so the question I wanted to ask yourself is, "If no one ever praised me, paid me, or recognized me for this, would I still feel drawn to it?" I remember in my own life when I was wondering what I wanted to do. I was doing this in rooms of three to five people. I would spend three hours a night, sometimes three nights a week, just helping people. I didn't get paid for it. I didn't get praised for it. I didn't have any followers, but it was beautiful. I loved it. And so I carried on doing it. So if for you, the answer is yes, I'd do this if I didn't get paid, praised, or recognized, you're probably getting closer to something genuine. Another clue is what happens when you're preparing to do the work and after you do it. Survival leaves you feeling like you have to keep running just to stay relevant, just to stay enough. Authentic work, it can still be difficult and challenging, but underneath the effort, there's a sense of peace, alignment. So you really have to observe yourself in the moment. I kind of think about it like when you go to a restaurant, when you walk out, you know whether you like the ambience of the restaurant, you know whether you like the service of the food because you check in with yourself. So sometimes you have to do the act, not just think about it, you actually have to do it. Maybe you try some coaching, try some writing, and then you check in with yourself and ask, how did this feel? Did it feel authentic and real? Or did it just feel hard? Did it just feel fake or put on? And I want to show one more thing. You don't have to solve your identity in your head. Right? Priority doesn't come from thinking. It comes from living. So right before you become a writer, coach before you become a coach, speak before you become a speaker, let the experience teach you what thinking can never do. Arthur Brooks's success trap is the exact mechanism you're naming. The reflex to reach for the next achievement as a way to feel like enough, mistaken for a calling in his best selling book from strength to strength, finding success, happiness and deep purpose in the second half of life. Arthur Brooks talks about how chasing external rewards raises your wants faster than your achievements, leaving you perpetually unsatisfied. And so I don't think you sound like that at all. I think you're somebody wants to work from a place of purpose and fulfillment, but that's the way to know. Are you simply chasing a version of how you want people to see you or are you pursuing how you want to see yourself? This episode of on purpose is presented to you by Mazda. Peace of mind doesn't happen by chance. It's created through the habits we build before we ever need them. That's the philosophy behind every Mazda with proactive safety features that help keep you more aware, more connected and more engaged. Mazda helps you feel ready for whatever the road brings. That's why Mazda has been named consumer reports safest new car brand. And as of July 2026, Mazda has won more 2026 I.I.H.S Top Safety Pick Plus Awards than any other car brand. Visit www.I.I.H.S.org to learn more. A lot can happen when an accident doesn't. Visit MazdaUSA.com to learn more. Consumer reports does not endorse products or services. Hi. I recently left my corporate career to put focus on my mental health. I've been a creative director working in corporate marketing for over 10 years. And I started feeling like I really lost my personal and unique creative perspective. And so I left my job. When I did that, I decided that I should give myself six months of working on a passion project. And so I started a podcast. It's been really, really fulfilling. It is allowed me to express my creativity in the way that I want to. But I am approaching that six month mark pretty soon. And I know that things take time. And the podcast has developed this like small, very loyal fan base that seems to be growing. But I have also never had this level of financial instability before I'm wrestling with looking for a corporate job and just like diving back into that world, letting the podcast be a beautiful way for me to find my creative voice again. So my question is what are the things that I need to ask myself in order to make the right move here? Thank you so much for that question. I can relate to so much of what you said. So I'll be sharing some of my personal reflections as well. But I want to start by saying well done for having the foresight and the vision to pull away from your work. Because when you've been doing something for 10 years, it's really, really hard to step away. And so the fact that you had the courage to actually say, I want to protect my mental health. I want to pursue creative things. I want to follow my instinct and my intuition is an incredible step forward. It isn't a step behind. So well done for taking that step truly. I see so many people who keep pushing themselves, maybe reach burnout or close enough and only take time when they break.
to do it proactively is a phenomenal step in self awareness and moving forward. Now what I'll say to you is you initially did this knowing you wanted six months out. And what's beautiful is that it sounds like it's been beneficial. I feel like you sound like you feel good about this decision. You also have discovered the podcast which I'm so happy you're building a small low following. It means you're really having an impact on people and I'm so glad that you're getting to see the value you have to bring others as well. And the questions I'd be asking are actually not so much about do you go back into your job, do you work on the podcast, do you have to choose either or the question I'd actually be asking yourself is how do I do both in a way that allows me to feel good about myself and what I'm doing? How do I allow myself to not experience financial instability but also not experience creative breakdown? Right before this moment you had financial stability but you didn't have a creative outlet. You didn't have that sense of balance and calm that I assume you're experiencing right now. And what you don't want now is that you have the calm you have the outlet but you don't have the financial stability. We want to live in a world where these two can coexist because both of them have an impact on your mental health. I think often we live in a time right now that says works really stressful and I just need a break for my mental health. Not realizing that not having work, the financial stability, the routine, the rhythm, the colleagues, some sort of pattern that can also be hard for our mental health. And so what we have to look at it and say is what type of work, how many hours could you work a week? What type of colleagues do you need to be around? What type of workplace environment do you want to function in in order to not feel that desire to run away, get away and escape? What does that look like? What are your new standards that you're going back to the world of work with where you won't settle for less? Where you won't compromise on your needs? Those are the types of questions I'd be asking yourself that job exists, that work exists, you being clear about that exists and you knowing what you won't settle for is going to make all the difference. At the same time, you have to choose some work that doesn't stop you from doing this podcast. You found a sense of purpose, you found meaning, you found value and fulfillment in it and you don't want to give it up. You've created patterns and rhythms and habits right now that seem like they're soothing you. How can you prioritize them in your life so that you don't forget to incorporate them when you go back into work? Don't make your purpose responsible for your paycheck. Don't put pressure on your passion to become your paycheck right now. It's okay to work a job that pays the bills. A job is what funds your life. It doesn't have to be the place where your soul does its best work. It can do good work, wonderful work but it doesn't have to be the thing you dream of doing. I remember when I was in a similar position to you, where I was working a corporate job and at the same time I was creating videos online and at the same time I was coaching people offline and at the same time I was doing keynote speeches all on top of my work and my work allowed me to explore all these other avenues and I also brought my passions into work. I remember becoming a mental health ambassador at work. I remember teaching mindfulness and meditation at work which made work more meaningful. Take your passion into the workplace. Find your purpose in the workplace as well. Take this mental health podcast and make it useful to wherever you go so that you get to integrate your life, not disconnect it. What's really fascinating to me is that if you try and make your podcast your paycheck right now, it can put so much pressure on the creativity. The thing that currently brings you so much joy can very quickly turn into a source of pain. I've seen this time and time and time again that when someone quits their job, they're doing their passion that brings them joy and all of a sudden their passion isn't paying the bills and now their passion becomes a pain and a source of pressure. You want to allow it to continue to be a passion, continue to grow organically, continue to develop and keep building a beautiful fan base. And at the same time, have a source of income that doesn't cause you too much stress. That isn't causing you too much imbalance. No, no, you're thinking, Jay, that sounds like a perfect scenario. Of course, I take that and you're right, there is not going to be a job that gives you the perfect amount of stress and the passion that keeps being possible to do all the time, there's going to be a little bit of a give-intake, there's going to be a little bit of a compromise. But what you want to do is go in with your eyes wide open. You want to go into a workplace and be really clear about the questions you ask. Be really confident about what you bring. And you want to go and continue to do your passion, recognizing that you get to do it with your full creativity. This isn't an either or issue. I think what the mind does is it creates tension by saying you have to do this, all you have to do this. And in effect, what the healthiest answer is, is to find the middle path. The path that balances both, the path that allows both to coexist, the path that allows both to be important parts of your lives. So this is more of a sinking up issue than it is a either or issue. And don't let the mind trick you into believing there's one right path or wrong path or there's a straight trade. There is a way of creating a collaborative opportunity for being financially stable and continuing to pursue your passion. Wishing you all the best. Move to this next chapter not with fear that work will be overwhelming again, but that your standards have been raised so that you know what aligns with you. This episode is brought to you by Walden University. Balancing work, life and big goals isn't easy. That's why Walden University helps working professionals get the W with tempo learning so you can earn your degree at your own pace while gaining practical skills through real-life scenarios. You'll also learn from faculty with real-world experience and have support start to finish. Walden University set a course for change. Ready to start? Visit WaldenU.edu today. Certified to operate by chef tempo learning available in select programs. Right now I'm in the middle of running a new business that opened up back in November. I will give a little bit of a backstory of myself. I am finishing my bachelor's degree right now. I also opened up a care business where it's in demand of services of pet sitting, baby sitting, tutoring and home sitting. I am now under the pressure of many things in terms of it's affecting my work, my study life, my family life and my relationship life. I have in my head that it's going to succeed. It's going to do great. Everything is going well. But I also feel the challenges and that burden on myself that if I do any wrong move that my relationship is going to fall apart or my family is going to be disappointed. I mean I have in the back of my head right now that I would like to close the business because I also want to focus on my career. But I'm also at the stand still of I need to move my apartment. I need to find my new career as soon as I get my degree. My question is what is the right decision to make in terms of priorities because they're of course of the five priorities in life. But what is the one that matters most and how can one not feel overwhelmed and burdened by just little decisions in terms of work life, relationship life and family life? I want to say that what you do is something to be proud of. You're finishing a degree. You start a business and you're trying to show up for the people you love and when you're winning right now like that's unbelievable. Congrats. That's truly brilliant. And the fact that you feel overwhelmed doesn't mean you're failing. It just means you're doing a lot. You're carrying a lot, right? And the biggest advice I would give you is this. Don't make a permanent decision while you're in a temporary state of exhaustion. Right now it sounds like you're asking like do I keep the business or do I give it up. But the real question might actually be what version can I sustain right now with everything I've got going on. And it's important to remember of course that a business is supposed to serve your life, not consume it for sure. And you don't have to prove your worth by keeping something alive at the cost of your health, your relationships or your future. But you also don't have to abandon something you created just because this season feels difficult and that's the important word there. Season. There are seasons of life. Think about nature. You have spring, you have summer, you have autumn and you have winter. Nature is doing something entirely different in each season. Does it mean that it doesn't prioritize growth in winter when the trees are bare? Does it mean that it doesn't prioritize beauty in certain seasons because it's going through a state of regeneration? No, we recognize that nature needs to do different things at different times in order to stay in sync, to stay coordinated. And so there will be seasons in your life where you focus more on your business than everything else. And there will be seasons in your life. You focus more on your family than everything else. And there will be seasons in your life that you focus more on your career than everything else. That's how life functions.
And what you want to do, especially with your relationships, is communicate. What you said to me, if you could say to the people that you love, "Hey, I'm really struggling trying to figure out how to do this. I hope you know how much you mean to me. I hope you know how this is a temporary thing I'm working on. And once I figured out my career, I'll be able to put my business aside. We don't ruin our relationships with the people we love because we're working too hard. We ruin them because we don't communicate about the work we're doing. And we never stop to also prioritize then in different seasons. Trying to balance everyone and everything perfectly, every day is a recipe for failure. Imagine nature said, today we're going to have lightning, rain, wind, sun, flowers, bear trees, leaves falling off like in fall. Imagine you try to do that all in 24 hours. I mean, maybe LA kind of does that sometimes. But if nature tried to do that every day, it would be exhausting. Everything would fall apart. And a lot of the times we're trying to be the perfect partner, the perfect professional, the perfect person, the perfect parent, all in the same day. It's impossible. So instead of asking, what's the perfect choice? I want you to think about this. What is my top priority? My number one priority for the next six to 12 months it literally could be just graduating and finding a job. And then second question, what commitments are truly necessary and what can be reduced or what can be paused? What if it stopped today wouldn't affect the rest of your life? And ultimately, if I remove the fear of disappointing people, what decision would I make? Because running a business doesn't disappoint people. It's how you communicate about what you're doing in your life. They can let people down or let them know where you're at. This next segment is brought to you by Wayfair, just like a peaceful mind, a home that supports your everyday life needs to be built with intention. When you fill your space with quality pieces, you can rely on through life's unpredictable moments, your home becomes more than a place to live. It becomes a foundation for everything else you do. So today we're talking about the power of making intentional choices and investing in the pieces that sustain us for years to come. Welcome to our built to last segment. I've been thinking a lot about this idea of a sanctuary. We usually imagine a sanctuary as somewhere we escape to, somewhere quiet and peaceful away from the demands of everyday life. But I think one of the most important sanctuaries we can create is the place we return to every day. Because so much of our lives is spent responding to the world around us. We're answering messages, making decisions, thinking about what's next, and even when we physically stop, our minds don't always stop with us. That's why there's something so powerful about coming home. You walk through the door, put your keys down, sit in the place you always sit, and your body almost seems to recognize, "I'm home. I can exhale here." I think that's what home really is. It's not just a physical place, it's a feeling. And that feeling is often created through really ordinary things. There's so far where everyone gathers at the end of the day, the lying that makes a room feel warm, the table where you've had hundreds of conversations. Over time, those things become part of our rituals. They create a sense of familiarity, comfort, and belonging. And that's why I don't think creating a sanctuary is about creating a perfect home. It's about creating a space that supports the way you actually live. Because restoration doesn't always mean getting away. Sometimes, it's walking through your own front door and feeling your shoulders drop. So maybe the question isn't just, "What does my home look like?" Maybe it's, "How does my home make me feel?" And does this space help me come back to myself? When your home is filled with pieces you can count on, you have more room to focus on what matters most. As you care for yourself, let Wayfair help you create a home that stands up to real life. Head to Wayfair.com to shop all things home. That's w-a-y-f-a-r.com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Remember that purpose doesn't demand doing everything at once. True fulfillment comes from understanding that when you feel overwhelmed by small decisions, it is usually because your mind has flattened everything into the same urgent bucket. The shift you need to make is the sequence, not to juggle. Instead of keeping all those balls in the air, step back and name the single domino that needs to fall first. Most of these micro decisions aren't actually equal in weight. They only feel heavy and identical because you're trying to carry them all at the exact same time. Thank you for saying all of that out loud. There's something that changes the moment you stop holding it all inside. And remember, you don't have to hold it alone. And I'm so grateful that you're being so vulnerable and sharing your truth with so many. Keep sending them in and I'll keep listening.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Purpose is not a finish line or external achievement but the ongoing fuel that sustains us during life's challenges.
Authenticity in purpose is distinguished from survival patterns by gentler, less urgent internal voice—especially when done without external validation or reward.
Balancing passion and financial stability is possible through intentional choices, clear boundaries, and recognizing that life has seasons, not permanent trade-offs.
Summary:
This episode explores the deeper meaning of purpose beyond milestones or achievements. It emphasizes that purpose is not a trophy to be won but a continuous inner guide that fuels our journey. The conversation highlights how survival patterns—driven by urgency, performance, and external validation—often mask our authentic selves.
True authenticity emerges when one can continue a passion even without payment, praise, or recognition, and feels a sense of peace and alignment during the work. The conversation also addresses the practical challenge of balancing a creative passion with financial stability, urging listeners to avoid making permanent decisions during times of stress. Instead, they are encouraged to see life as seasonal—like nature—where focus shifts across different areas (career, family, business) without failure.
The core message is that purpose doesn’t demand perfection or constant action; it thrives in balance, presence, and self-awareness. Through real-life stories, the host illustrates how people can integrate passion and work without sacrificing well-being. The episode concludes by inviting viewers to pause, reflect, and prioritize their true values over external expectations, reminding them that vulnerability and honesty are powerful steps toward real self-discovery.
It also introduces partners like Mazda, Walden University, and Wayfair as resources that support mental peace, flexible learning, and intentional living. Ultimately, the message is one of balance: purpose isn’t about doing everything at once, but about choosing what matters most and allowing space for rest, growth, and connection.
FAQs
Authentic voice is gentle, quiet, and invites action without pressure to prove yourself. Survival patterns are urgent, demanding, and focused on earning worth through achievement. Ask if you'd still do the work without praise, pay, or recognition—yes means it's likely genuine.
Purpose isn't a finish line but ongoing fuel for your journey. Reflect on who makes decisions—whether it's the part of you that seeks validation or the part that feels alive helping others. Let experience guide you before assuming you know your path.
Yes. You don’t need to sacrifice one for the other. A job can fund your life without being your only purpose. Prioritize both by setting clear standards and choosing work that supports your well-being and creative expression.
Ask if you’d continue the work without praise, pay, or recognition. If yes, it’s likely authentic. Authentic work brings peace and alignment; survival-based work leaves you feeling pressured and exhausted.
Yes—life has seasons. Focus on your top priority for the next 6–12 months, identify what can be paused or reduced, and communicate openly with loved ones. Overwhelm often comes from trying to do everything perfectly at once.
A daily sanctuary—like a comforting routine or home—helps you return to yourself. It provides a sense of stability and belonging, allowing you to rest, reflect, and make decisions from a place of calm rather than pressure.
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