ARE YOU READY? OBE Master Reveals The GREAT AWAKENING Is Coming & More!

And now, from beyond our dimension, this is the Jeff Mora Vodgas. Here's Jeff. My guest is Andre out of body traveler who's mapped the aspects of the realms, witnessed other lifetimes, and went beyond the ice wall called the Neo Soul. Andre, thanks for joining me and welcome. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. Well, it's our pleasure to have you. And Andre, let's start with how your astral travels began. Yeah, certainly. So somewhere around COVID, I really began pushing the limits of my consciousness, trying to see where how far the human consciousness can really go. And you know, that led me to the path of meditation, of course, manifestation, realizing that you can attract things to you just by frequency, such as manifestation and things like that. And I really started implementing what I was learning into my life. And my thoughts started to become my reality, like pretty significant manifestations where we're happening. And that led me to believe, okay, this is real. So let me continue down this path. And that led me to, you know, astral projection with the gateway tapes and things like that. So I would do the gateway tapes daily. And from there, I was literally able to take my consciousness out of my body in, you know, like five to ten minutes, right? Just focus and intention, my consciousness would be able to expand and go out. But that didn't really do it for me because what I was seeking was what I like to call the ultimate truth and like this undeniable knowing that like we exist outside of here and to really get the answers, right? And then as I was astral projecting and becoming proficient and taking my consciousness outside of my body, my mom actually passed away. And simultaneously to her passing away, I was undergoing sleep paralysis spontaneously every night. And I never correlated, you know, leaving my body to sleep paralysis or anything of that nature, but it was happening every night. And one day I was seeking for answers like, okay, why am I having sleep paralysis? What is the correlation to this? And you know, that's when I found, you know, Darius J. Wright talking about how sleep paralysis is the gateway to the other side, you know? So I, you know, I joined his method. And now for like the last two years, I have been consciously shutting my body down enter and sleep paralysis and leaving and visiting the other side. And in doing so, you know, I feel like I finally reached that ultimate truth that, you know, that I was looking for. Is sleep paralysis a byproduct of the gateway tapes or was it just something simultaneously that started happening for you? Yeah. So sleep paralysis wasn't a byproduct of the gateway tapes for me. It was just something naturally happening to me. And you know, I've been talking to, you know, hundreds of people that I've also been leaving their bodies. And what I've came to realize is, it's almost as if sleep paralysis will begin to happen spontaneously. And it's like your soul trying to wake you up to the other side, it's because it's literally the gateway to it. So I'm under the belief that my spontaneously sleep paralysis was more so in alignment with my soul's path, my soul's mission and in conjunction with my mom with my mother passing to try to wake me up to the fact that the other side is real. It did start happening after you did the gateway sessions, but you feel like it's spontaneous just due to maybe your soul's evolution. Yes. Yes. Correct. Yeah. That's what I would say. Do you feel that to really be proficient at out of body traveling? You have to do it from a sleep paralysis? Yes. It is 100% true, because a lot of people, they discuss astral traveling and they may think an out of body experience may just be when your consciousness is outside of your body or something of that nature. But what we're doing here with the out of body experiences, we're literally taking our souls out of our body. The thing that gives this body life is what we're taking out of it. It's us, it's our eternal aspect of ourselves. And in order to fully do that, your body really has to be completely shut down in sleep paralysis. That's the only way to really controllably exit and be in your soul. Because once you're in your soul, it is 100% real, it is 100% physical, even more physical than here, because you have more access to the light spectrum. So it is completely, it's a whole nother level to astral travel or anything of that nature. And I like to say, the out of body experience is the end of the line. And it's no different than like a near death experience. It truly is not, and when I say that, what I mean by that is we're accessing the same things. I have seen my past away mom on the other side, I have traveled outside of this entire universe, this construct, and received similar messages that a lot of near death experiences come back and say. It becomes very clear, once you have a full blown out of body experience, there's a line in the sand, and once your body shut down and you cross it, you then know, okay, I really exist outside of here. This is real. All these realizations that never really occurred to me when I was just astral projecting or remote viewing or anything of that nature. What is the difference in experience between astral traveling and having an OBE from sleep paralysis? So the difference in experience, when you say experience, do you mean the experience that you have between the two? Yeah, like with your astral traveling, you're going to experience A, B, and C. And if you're OBE traveling, you'll experience A, B, C, D, E, F, G, you know what I mean, yeah, yeah. So yeah, for sure. So when I was astral projecting, I was more so just navigating dimensional spaces, right? And this comes into, once you understand the construct or the creation that we're in, you're more so able to know what you're experiencing. So when I was astral projecting, I was still kind of new to this and I didn't have too much knowledge or information on what I exactly I was experiencing, that came after. But what I mean when I say astral projection is mostly just dimensional space and realm one stuff, essentially what you're navigating is just realm one, what we call realm one. Like there's no, I've never been able to like break outside of realm one or come in contact with another being or another being was really never able to take me somewhere. And it was not completely, I was not completely fully 100% conscious. I was not physical, I never had physical hands to touch. And you're able to access people's thought forms. It may appear as if you're going somewhere else, but that's just what a dimensional space is. It's literally your thoughts manifested around you. And it's not just your own thought, it's just other people's thought forms as well. There's shared dimensional spaces, there's plenty of things like that. And with astral projection, it certainly opens up the door for possibilities, for beings to come in contact with you. But there's the clear divide comes when you have a full blown out of body experience. Your body shut down. You really feel the experience of like what it's like to die, essentially. Like when I leave my body, it's a very abrupt feeling. Like it feels like I'm being sucked out of my body, right? So that's the first kind of thing, like the astral projection is kind of like a smoother process. So the first thing you notice is it's going to be a real event. Like you're going to feel like you're sucked out. The next thing in an out of body experience, you then have access to everything, right? The only limitations are truly the limitations that you put on yourself. And what I mean by that is when you first leave your body and you turn around and you can literally see your physical body sleeping on the bed, I've touched my floor, it felt more real than here. You're literally feeling every element, every chemical compound in that substance. You're literally feeling everything. And then you also begin to have more access, you know, to the light spectrum, meaning. And when I say the light spectrum, that's basically the the fabric of what separates all of the realms within this construct and creation. So once you leave your body, you're pretty much open to the other side entirely, like there's nothing that can stop you, you're then free to traverse any realm, contact any being, access your soul records, you know, and just truly figure out who you are, what this place is, and what you're here to do. How do you access your soul records? Is there a place called the Akashic records or is there something else? Well, yeah, so this is where things start to get a little, a little hazy, and this is where, you know, a lot of misconceptions come in. I believe the Akashic records is just a term that humans put to make sense of it, because on the other side, I've never heard of anybody mentioned the Akashic records or anything of that nature, but there is certainly your soul records and your soul records are essentially just a part of the universal records, because everything is recorded at all times, you know. And when I access my soul records, I do it simply by just setting my intention, and what that looks like is when I'm laying down practicing to leave my body, you know, I will say I now set my intention to access my soul records. And then I keep it open ended because the soul records is so massive. There's many, many different ways to access your soul records. It can come in the form of actually like re-experiencing another life of yours, and by, when I say re-experiencing another life of yours, your soul will actually be in the body of the other life that you had, and you would re-experience it as if you were living it right then and there. That's one way I've accessed my soul records. Another way I've accessed my soul records is in the form of like a tablet like device where just scenes of my life would play through. That's one way to access your soul records. Another way that is like pictures, you can have, there'll be like pictures and when you look at the pictures, they will appear as like movies and things like that. There's also books, and it can be the form of your soul records. And what I have found is that the difference of all of these soul records, it comes from each individual soul's choice on how they would want to store that particular experience. Right. Now, what I mean by that is say you had a big, great experiencing, you really enjoyed living it. You may want to store that soul record as a physical experience for you to go back and experience it that way. Or if it was a lesser experience that you deem as a lesser experience that you're not so fond of or you know, you may just experience it as a movie or something like that. It's really dependent on each individual soul's desire and how they want to store it. What else is out there? What have you mapped? Everything, man, everything. So if you, if you follow Derrius J. Wright at all, you understand that we live in a creation and there's 12 rounds, right. So with that knowledge, what I began to do is actually leave my body and see these things for myself. So I have personally been to what we call round two, which is the galactic realm. For a lot of the extraterrestrials and aliens and things that we consider aliens, that's where they come from and there. And before I say this, I just want to say that all of these other beings within this construct that I'm about to get into, they are still just souls like you and I. They are just inhibiting another character to live out a certain experience right now. For an example, where all souls outside of here in we all chose Jeff, you and I, we chose to come here for the human experience at this moment in time, but you can also choose to come and be an ET at a particular moment or something like that. But that's so round two is where, you know, the ET's reside and that's a pretty technologically advanced place. It's essentially like if humans, you know, were never reset and we just kept evolving for like three, five, 10,000 years, it's pretty, it pretty advanced. And then you start going into, you know, round three, which is like this ancient Egyptian Atlantis and Lemurian time period. And I'm saying all three of those because they're just like a time period and they all kind of existed at the same time, it was like a global civilization. And that's where like you'll see a lot of like the Anunnaki beings, the lyrins are there. A lot of the, those often get lumped into the ET category, but they are not at all. They're from a completely different, different realm. I have been to the heavenly realms, what we call, which we would consider heaven. That's what, that's around five there. The template is age 30, you know, it goes back to like what Sylvia Brown used to say. I'm not sure if you're familiar with her at all. She's a psychic from like the late 90s. I'm not that aware of her work, but I remember her because yes, she was popular. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember her when I was younger, you know, reading about, you know, a lot of her, her stuff that she's done, and she would always say, you know, in heaven, your age 30. And when I was there, that's, that's very true. I wouldn't say it's like exactly age 30, but you will look like a grown adult, you know, there in your manifestations happen, happen easier, happen quicker. That's really, and then I've also been to what we call realm eight, which is, you know, the Sarah from realm. That's just like a realm of knowledge, and they hold like a lot of the keys to this universe or this kind of instructor, this creation that we're in, you know, and then from there, you know, I actually, I was able to leave, you know, the entire creation, this entire universe that we call. And I've also been able, now I'm starting to map out this particular realm that we're in now. And this particular realm that we're in, I mean, earth, and earth is actually a lot bigger than what we've been told. You know, there's an ice wall, there's land beyond it. You know, I'm starting to map that out as well. When you say ice wall, that reminds me of what people talk about when they say the earth is flat and it's surrounded by a wall, are you saying the same thing? Yeah, and I don't, I don't want to lose people here because I understand that this is oftentimes the biggest topic in the hardest truth for people to realize. But oftentimes when you go, start going down this path, seeking the truth, you'll realize that everything that we've been told here is a lie. All the control structures need to be broken down. And you know, part of that lie is where we live because the two ways to control, the two number one ways to control somebody is to make them forget who they are and where they are. Right? So if you're in a creation and you don't know who you are, which is an eternal soul, and you don't know where you are, which is in a creation, you know, it's not, it eliminates you from asking the questions such as, okay, if I'm in a creation and there, there is a dome above us, okay, who created this place? Right? That's one of the questions that we would ask, what exists outside of here? And how did I get here? Those are all three major questions that everybody should be asking. Those are great questions. Do you have the answers? Yeah. All right. Let's do it. Yeah. So the answer to these questions, the first question is, who made this place? All right. 13 souls, similar to you and I, outside of all of these creations, right? Because every realm has a template, a character template that you can play a certain role, a certain program is playing out in each realm. But outside of everything, we are all just infinite souls, right? And 13 collective souls created this one creation, right? And that's why everything in here is mirrored off of 13. You know, there should be 13 months, 28 days, 13 strands of DNA, you know, every 13 zodiacs. And another common theme to when I say 13 is, they're always trying to hide the 13th, right? The 13 months, 28 days each makes a perfect year, they convert that to 12. There's 12 strands of DNA. There's only 12 zodiacs, the 13th is missing, the serpent is gone, things like that, right? So there's all these themes that go into that. But that's who made this place. And when you start realizing that, you start learning the whole creation and how everything lines up, how everything is put together in this creation really tells a whole story, right? There's a whole storyline to this whole creation, and we're all a part of it, you know. So that's part of, you know, what I'm starting to do is trying to figure out certain pieces of the story and how it works. And then the other question is, who put us here? Who put me here, right? Now who put me here is you, your soul, every soul is its own ultimate authority, you know, nothing can control or tell a soul to do something unless that soul believes it to be true, right? And by default, then you give your power away, right? So that is like an unspeakable or an unbreakable law of the universe, is that every soul is its own ultimate authority. That's the most fundamental truth that there is, you know, and this goes into a lot of people, you know, call this a prison plan, or really a forced reincarnation and things like that. Now, you are your ultimate authority. So if you believe that, hey, this is a prison planet, or if you believe that, hey, you need to be reincarnated, then by default, you are then created in that reality by your own belief systems. Or when you get out of here, if you believe somebody can control you or have power over you, then by default, you're giving your power away to that person, right? So in short, who put us here is you by your own dominion, your own choice, your own free will, we all decided to come here for an experience. And why did we decide to come here for this experience because there's no other place like this in all of creation, this is the most intelligently designed creation. The bodies are intelligently designed. Our bodies are modeled off of the construct, the creation, everything is together. And this is the only place of its kind that you can come in and you can forget who you are, the valve of forgetfulness. You can be born. You can experience what it's like to not be a God, right? Because outside of here, we are all infinite. We literally, what God depicts in the Bible is literally every soul, right? And you can, once you leave your body and you step out of this, you'll remember and you'll feel like you're God, like that's just what you will feel like. So when you come here, and if I say the reason to come here is like this, right? And you're a God and all you can experience is bliss all the time. You're not really going to truly be able to appreciate your divinity or your power, right? Because that's your baseline. So you then have to experience what it's like to not be a God, to not be infinite. And that's why you can come, the body has limitations, you know, you forget. You can experience what it's like to be sick, you can experience the illusion of death, you can experience what it's like to be controlled or entrapped in the physical body. You can experience all of those things and that adds so much to your soul. So that's, that's why we come here. So what was the third question that was said, three questions are who created this place, who put us here? And what was the third question? Unfortunately, I can't rewind this and go back to see what it was. Yeah. And I don't remember. Yeah. I got off on a tangent there. I got off on a little tangent there because it's a lot to jam pack. But those are essentially the major questions that we all need to be asking is who made this place? Who put us here and why are we here? When I had Darius on, we talked about that we're living in a simulation and it's going to end soon and we're going to have a big party. Are you in agreement with that? Yeah. I'm in a hundred percent agreement with that. You know, now when I say you leave your body, your soul's memories begin to come back and you begin to remember what you're doing outside of here and why you came here, right? So why that's important is because this all ties into this great celebration, great awakening or great remembrance, whatever words you want to put on it. That's why a lot of us are here and that is why a lot of us are doing this. We're here to bear witness. We are here to do our part in it and everything of that nature. Now what I call it a simulation, not necessarily a simulation because I have a pretty solid understanding on what this place is. It's essentially just a manifested thought form, you know, it's just an experience. It's like a, I call this the game of life because it's very similar to that. But we're in a manifested thought form and this thought form presents itself in forms of prisms of light. That's why the light spectrum is so big here because you can also separate light by frequency. So I wouldn't call it a simulation, but it is a manifested thought form and this is just a temporary human experience that is very true. And where we are now is we are so far away from where we are outside of here. We have to wake up and remember, right? And this is going to end and when I say it's going to end, the current structure and the way this place is is certainly going to end. But that doesn't mean you will end or that doesn't mean I will end or that this creation will end. It's just a structure of it will. And what that looks like is right now currently there's a construct with 12 rooms and what the ending looks like is all of these 12 rooms will begin to blend and all of creation will be seen as a whole again. So us, our past loved ones, life and death, the beyond the valley for getfulness, all that will be gone and we will all share one realm. That's basically what I've gotten and what I've gathered. That's the trajectory that we're headed on is to where all things can open up again. And what that's essentially going to look like is like heaven on earth, like if you can imagine what heaven on earth would look like, that would be certainly where we're headed. And I can say that for like 100% certainty. Do you have a timeline for this? No, I do not because when it comes to predicting time, it often, time can be changed because for a specific time event to happen at that time, so many variables and factors have to take place to coincide for that specific event to happen. But I will say that this is a fixed event that is definitively going to happen. And it's definitively going to happen because the will of our souls for people here participating in the great awakening, they call them light workers, star seeds, all of that nature. The will of our souls is putting us on this path, but also that's just the programming of this place. It's just the way it's set up. So it's inevitable for this going to happen. Certain things are in place to release information at certain time periods. It's just, it's certainly going on that trajectory and it's inevitable for it to happen. But the question of when, I do not know, but for sure, I know I came here to be a part of it. So what is that detail? That also details that it will happen within my lifetime. That gives us some sense of time. So that's good. Tell us about neo soul. You know, when I first started leaving my body, I was having many little small out of body experiences. I mean, just leaving my house, seeing my physical body on my bed and things like that. And then eventually I got up the courage to fully leave, right? And I had to go somewhere. So this is what I went to a place called neo soul. Now neo soul is a place beyond the ice wall, all right. It is on this physical plane of existence that we are in. And neo soul is a city beyond the ice wall. And when I first went there, I had an experience which felt like I was there for months, right? Because in an out of body experience, you're outside of time. So you can experience what feels like months or however long, but it real realm one time could only be a couple of minutes. So I was there for what felt like months. And I experienced three different, separate lifetimes of mine. And when I say I experienced them, my soul was literally in the body of these other lifetimes of mine. I experienced three different wives of mine, three different lifetimes of mine, three different homes of mine. And I was there for a little bit of time, you know, navigating, you know, what life was like there. And what I came to understand is, neo soul is a place where humans exist, just like you and I, you know, we look like humans. It's no different than you and I. However, in neo soul, it's so advanced because they are outside of the resets. I don't know how familiar you are with the resets here, like the great flood, the mud floods. But humans within these six continents are often reset. Well, they're outside of the resets. So imagine if humanity could develop for another three, four, five hundred years from now. That's what neo soul was like. And when I say it's advanced, the city is absolutely beautiful. It is, it looks like Dubai with all the new buildings, but it's even more advanced in that. The cars did not make a noise. They were still driving cars, but they did not make a noise. Some of them hovered, you know, there was moving sidewalks, there was no, there was still like a monetary system in place, but it wasn't necessarily money, but like we all had a job to do. We all worked. And when we were all working, everybody, there was nobody poor, like wealth was more evenly distributed. There was a huge emphasis on philosophy and the truth and things like that. And then my partner, she actually leaves her body as well. She's been in neo soul, as we were accessing our soul records, it both led us there. She was actually showing a map when she was there and the guy pointed and said, Hey, you know, this is the ice wall. This is where you're from and this is where we are. And then began to tell her of how humans actually got there, you know, some humans escaped from here, traveled beyond the ice wall and started a civilization there. Because there are tons of land masses beyond the ice wall. This place is, this realm is very big. There's a map of it on the moon. I'm not sure if any, if you or anybody has ever went down that rapid hole, but there's actually a map of this realm on the moon. And beyond the ice wall, there's so many land masses and it's so much larger than just what we have here. And that's where a lot of the ETs are coming from and things like that. They come from beyond the ice wall. It's where a lot of our technology comes from. It's where a lot of a lot of stuff comes from. Do you think that we do have past lives or are all of our lives past, present, and future happening at the same time? The good question. So, alright, so from a human perspective, when you, when we have to think in linear time, they are past lives, right? Because your soul is 100% in your physical body right now. How do I know this? When I leave, I am 100% in, right? And linear time, the way humans think of time, yes, they are past lives. However, on the other side, we're outside of time. I just did a presentation on this. And what I like to tell people is if you can think of this realm that we're in this creation as a TV and you're watching it, what can you do? You can fast forward the TV, you can rewind it, you can pause it, right? So that's kind of what we mean when we tell you all time is happening at once. Because once you're outside of time, you're outside of the constraints of time, you then have access to all time. So you can then see the past and the present. But even then, seeing the future is even not all that clear because it had not happened yet, right? And we all have free will. So you can see potential futures, but you can never really see the future. So it's not so much that all time is happening at once. It's just that you have access to all the time and future is still pretty much unwritten. However, there are fixed time events that are definitively going to happen that are in the future. And one of those fixed time events is the great awakening. So like that's definitively going to happen, but what exactly that looks like can change. So and the same thing goes for past lives. So we certainly do have past lives, but you can access them at the same time. So that's what gives us the illusion that it's all happening at once. So an example of this is when I was in my other lifetime in neo soul, it was happening right then, right? I was in my other lifetime. But it's not so much that because I know that occurred before this human life. Yeah. Are you able to access other people's lives and live out those as well? Yes. Yes, you can. On the other side, everything is revealed. Everything is known. Nothing is a secret. You can certainly access other people's records, their thought forms. I have even accessed I used to be married. And when I would leave my body, I leave and I'd see my wife's thought forms like her private thoughts because thoughts are physical on the other side. I would see her private thoughts and things like that. That's why when doing these things integrity is very important and things like that. But yes, you can certainly access other people's soul records and other people's past lives and everything like that. Many people claim to access past lives, which happen to be famous people. So that's why I'm asking, were they really these famous people in a past life, or are they accessing somebody else's past life? Yeah. That's a good question. So from that, I would ask, what does it feel like to them? Does it feel like it was them or does it not? Because when you're accessing these things, these past lives, it does often feel very real as if it's really you or if it's really happening. But the chances of, I think I know what you're talking about, when people say like a hundred people say that they remember being clear on Patra, yeah, I believe what's going on there is that they're just tapping into that time period, that record. And they're just remembering what happened because it's a very pivotal moment in history. So we all have access to that. So yeah, I would definitely, I'm definitely under the belief that no, they're not, 100 people were not Cleopatra, they're just accessing that memory, yeah. Have you seen any elements of AI while you're out there? Yeah. So AI is essentially like what the ETS use, and their AI is actually like more advanced. It's like a form of like organic technology that's just very smart, almost kind of has like a consciousness of its own. And that's where like a lot of these chips and things come from, like the smart phone chip and your phone, that's the AI, ETS technology, that's true, that's a fact. And even a lot of the AI, the AI that we have now is humans is very stupid, okay? Like I was in college, I was doing, it can't do calculus, it's not smart. You know, so, but is there AI out there that is technologically advanced that really is smart? Yes. Do humans have access to that? No, they don't. But AI is a thing, but the thing is, is that once you're outside of all limitations and you're in so form, you are the AI, you know all things. All you really have to do is break past this field of forgetfulness and remember who you are. And a great tool to do that is the out of body state. Because once you realize that you're an eternal soul, you no longer seek anything outside of yourself because then you realize all answers come from within. So yeah, AI is a thing, but ultimately we are the technology. You know what I mean? Our soul is. And once you understand that and begin to bring more of your soul in the physical, you can unlock things like awakening your dormant abilities for sure. The great awakening that you spoke of, is that the same thing when all the 12 realms will become one? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly. From everything that I've gathered and everything that I've seen, that's exactly what's going to happen. And it's going to be beautiful now. What exactly that looks like in terms of these human bodies that we're in. I'm under the impression that we, some of us may not ever die necessarily, right? And once you have, once everything opens up and unlocks again, it's really going to be like heaven on earth. But in order for that to happen, the old must fall. And that's why we're seeing a lot of changes economically right now in the governments, you know, and all of that is a part of the overall plan is all of those changes going on. You know, and a lot of people, you know, live in fear of war or a fear of a financial collapse or anything like that. But really, if you're fearing that, that means that you actually like that system or you want that in place, right? Because in order for the new to be built, the old must fall. And that's the old system. So like everything must collapse and we must reopen and restructure our whole lives and our whole train of thinking. Many people have fear around death or the unknown based on everything that you've seen. What would you tell someone who's afraid of death or what comes after this life? The fear of death is a big one and that's a big one that took me quite a while to get over. But it is definitive and 100% certain that we all exist outside of here. And when you have an out of body state and you shut your body down and you're standing in soul form and you see your physical body on the bed, that's a 100% confirmation that you exist outside of here. And if somebody is still struggling with fear of death or if they're asking if we live on, you know, I would tell them, you know, go look at all of the OBE testimonies. I have them. Darius has them of people leaving their body confirming, hey, the other side is real and it's physical. People are meeting their past loved ones and things like that. And oftentimes this is why I love the out of body state because when I was going on this spiritual journey, you would always hear people say death is an illusion. This is just a temporary human experience. And it's like, yeah, okay, all that's fine and dandy, but where's the proof? You know, like, how can I prove this? And well, you can shut your body down. You can leave it and you can see that you still exist outside of here. And there is absolutely nothing to fear, but the fear itself, that is a famous quote. And I love that quote because one of the things that I was scared of when I went to the other side is I was not knowing where I was going or what I was experiencing. And that fear alone would prevent me from leaving my body. But there is nothing to fear because a lot of people feel that the other side is some imaginary place or it's some mysterious place, but I can promise you it's not because I have been there and you can go there too. And it's not mysterious because another major fear other than the fear of death is the fear of the unknown, like what lies beyond this? What lies after this life? Well, the other side awaits you after this life and I can promise you it is beautiful. Literally, your heaven awaits you just past that threshold. How did you encounter your mother on the other side and what is she doing over there? So the first time my mother came to me, I was leaving my body. I was in this in between state. This was in the early stages that I was waving my hand up and down and I was trying to figure out if it was my sole hand or my physical hand because there's literally no difference once you leave your body. Like it's really hard to know if you're out or if you're in because it feels the same. So I was waving my sole hand and then my mom came up to me on the bed and all of a sudden I hear this voice say hi, my baby, in a hand touched the back of my neck. And essentially that scared, that scared, you know, scared scared the bottom of me when I heard that. So immediately I was back into my body. And then after some time when I became getting used to seeing other beings and things out, she came to me again and I remember I was in my room, leaving my body and I was just trying to envision myself coming out. And then my mom met me and she hugged me as I came out immediately and I'm like, I just hugged her and we just embraced. And that feeling was so much love and so much joy and she was so happy and so vibrant and just so alive, just filled with so much life. And it was just one of the most amazing feelings that I've ever had. That was like one of the best out of body experiences I've had was meeting with her again. And that one experience, it was so profound and so amazing. And she actually took me to round five, which is heaven. That's how I went there for the first time. She took me there and just showed me around and she was like, see, honey, I'm okay. Like everything is great. And she was proud of me for doing what I was doing, leaving my body. She's always trying to introduce me to people on the other side. She's so happy to say, oh, this is my son. Like, look what he's doing. He's doing the great work and just very proud, proud, motherly intentions still even outside of here. So what she's doing on the other side is, you know, she helps me. She gives me messages and things like that. But she's also in round five, just watching the great celebration from there. You call this the game of life. What do you mean by that? Yeah. So after, I call this the game of life and I actually wrote an entire thesis describing all of creation in the form of games and I use one game to describe this entire construct or creation because we're in a creation, a construct with 12 rooms. Each realm has its own template, its own storyline to play out, similar to its own game or story mode, right? So I compare that to in terms that people know. So even if you're not in the spirituality or anything like that, if you can understand video games, you can pretty much understand creation. And I describe how you can view past loved ones on the other side and things like that. And where this thesis came from, it came from the first time where I left realm one and my soul's memory really started to come back. And then I started having memories of creation, of like how this place got created. The whole storyline, how the realms are separated. I remember coming back, I remembered coming into this realm through water. You know, I remembered so much and it's the game of life because it's this whole human life is no different than say we're on the other side, say we're souls and we're relaxing and we're having a good time. And we're all creating our own creations. And I'm like, Hey Jeff, there's this creation on the other side or there's this creation where they have this new idea called earth and you can go there, but you have to forget everything that you are and you have to just start fresh and remember yourself again. And I'd be like, Hey, do you want to try it? You say, yeah, sounds like no big deal, right? And then you come here and then you actually forget and then you're in this body with limitations and things get hard, but it is still just a game because where you came from before this game is where you return back to, right? And the out of body state is literally like pressing pause on the game, leaving it. Remember who you are, studying the cheat code, studying whatever you want and coming back to play the game, it's really like that. And I go on to explain the entire, all 12 realms in the form of a game and then I even go on to explain all the other creations and all the other universes. And then I even explain, you know, what the void is like and things like that. It's interesting that you mentioned the void because many near death experiencers go there to a place we call the black void. I'm not sure if that's the same thing for you, but if it is, what is that place? Yeah. So the void based off of everything that I know, it's just this place outside of all creations. It's like where souls go when they want to time out, when they don't want to experience anything, you just want to kind of just be and exist as a place of pure bliss, all right? Now how you can think of this, when I say heaven, if you can imagine all the pleasures of heaven, right? That's still inside this creation and there's still limitations, borders and boundaries within heaven, right? Now you get out in each realm, there's less and less templates, less and less program and less and less limitations. Now imagine outside of this entire universe, right? All how pleasurable that would be for you, right? But you still have a physical soul, a physical body, right? Now imagine you're outside of that entire physicality and you're just in this space of just pure bliss and nothingness, just pure blackness where you're just alone with all of your memories, thoughts and feelings, that's the void. And that's the place where all creation happens from, like when I'm in the void, I remember in my first thought, when I say my first thought, like I remember when I first became conscious as a soul, like there is no real beginning because we just always existed, because as soon as we had memory, that's when existence started, right? So there is no real beginning, but if there was what it felt like was, I was in this void, this black void. And then the first thing I did was become aware, I'm like, oh, I exist, I'm like, oh, okay. And then I had feelings inside of my body. And then it was like, oh, I feel stuff, and it feels good, you know? And then from there, it goes, oh, what can I do with this? What can I interact? How can I interact? And then from there, you have an idea to experience something. And then that's when the physical bodies take place. And then boom, you literally birth light. And then boom, now you're in that physical body. And I like to think like that's where we all kind of go back to when we're there, that's kind of like, that's the closest thing to source, right? Now, you'll still have your own individual thoughts and ideas, but like you kind of merge with everything. So when I say merge with everything, it's like you have access to everything. There's no limitations. Some people believe that we are trapped here into a cycle of reincarnation and forced to do it over and over again. And the best way to escape it is to go to the Black Void. What are your thoughts? All right. So do some people get trapped here in a reincarnation group? Yes. However, it is based off their own doing and their own belief system. So if you can just believe this one word, this one phrase that I'm about to tell you that you are your ultimate authority, nothing can hurt harm or entrap your soul. You are a free sovereign soul. And as long as you know that and believe that to your core, that will never happen to you. And that's kind of why I'm out here, you know, doing this and trying to spread the message and bring validity to this. Now how to escape, there's nothing to really escape. You know, I believe what you're referring to is when they say, don't go to the light, don't do that. You can go anywhere you want as long as you have this belief that, hey, I'm an uncontrollable soul, nothing can tell me what to do. I make my own decisions and my own choices. And now that is very tough because once you leave here and you're you're coming from forgetfulness and all of your memories don't come back right away. So as soon as you leave here, if you run into a being and they're like, hey, look at your life and hey, you might want to go back and do that over again. And you're going to say, oh, okay, I'll go do that, right? But it's your own doing that's doing that because you didn't say no, you know what I mean? But you have the power to say no at any situation at any given point in time, it's you. So do those things exist? Yes. But you can go to the white light. You can go anywhere that you want and you just need to know that nothing can tell you what to do unless you allow them to tell you what to do. From what you're saying, we are all gods, basically, right? Yeah. Since you've actually experienced it and it's not theoretical for you, but it's reality. Are you able to take that knowledge and experience and use it here in this realm and be able to manifest amazing things, almost whatever you want because you know it to be true? You certainly can, however, that's more so for personal gain, right? And the biggest thing that comes with this realization that we are all gods is how temporary this place is and how meaningless things like money or materialistic things are because you can't take none of those with you. The only thing that you can take with you is the experience and knowledge gained from this. That's the only thing that goes with you after this is the experience and knowledge gained. So with that, with me knowing without beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am an eternal soul, I no longer chase the temporary pleasures of this physical reality that we are in. Now before I got into this, I certainly was manifesting a lot of things and it's just like what everybody says, you know, you envision it, you think on it, you envision it and you feel it as if you already have it because everything is vibration. If I ask you how to raise your vibration, what are you going to do? You're probably going to change your inner world, right? And what is changing your inner world, do that's changing your feelings and your emotions. So that's how humans change their vibration or their frequency is through feelings and emotions. Same way the soul does. So with that said, once you envision that you actually have it and you match that feeling of having it, that's how you attract that into your life. And when you think on it so, so hard, thoughts are actually physical on the other side. So when you're thinking of a potential future that you want for yourself, this potential future actually exists in a physical type of way as a potential future on the other side. And so it actually exists. And then all you have to do from that point forward is literally walk the path to that and then you bring it into your reality. So yes, all of those things work. I've done that, you know, plenty of times in my life, I've manifested the whole aerospace engineering job, you know, that way. Well, once you reach a certain point of understanding of this reality, you no longer seek those things, you know, just because you understand the severity of this, you understand how serious it is. And by saying the severity and how serious this is, what I mean is you understand the severity of awakening every soul here, you understand the severity of creation, you understand the importance of all souls, you understand the eternal aspect of yourself. So nothing here can then sue you because you're seeking something so much more. Well, yeah, you certainly can do that. And for people that want to get in the out of my state for personal gain, I strongly advise against that because that's going to limit you like integrity, the three, the three highest vibrations is authenticity, integrity, and unconditional love, right? Integrity, because just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you should do something, right? Just because you can leave your body and do that, it doesn't mean you should, right? Just integrity, unconditional love, you do everything out of the goodness of your heart, the purness of your soul, right? With no bad intentions, right? And then authenticity, because you can't fake vibrations. So you actually have to be these things, right? So with the combination of those three things, you can unlock anything in this universe. If you're vibrating out of a certain frequency, you won't even be able to access these things. Is there a creator or a god out there that created everything, including us? No. No, there is not. Now I can look at you like that with a straight face, we, souls just like you and I create this place, right? Humans, they're always seeking for something outside of themselves, right? They're always seeking for things outside of themselves, they're always seeking for help or creation. But once you leave your body, you understand, okay, I did this, all right. So in my game of life thesis, I did a very good metaphor to what people think God is. People think God is the person that created this realm, this earth. And people think God is the person that put them here. That's not God. That's you. You know, you chose to come here. You know all the plays outside of this. You know your whole life, you've mapped it out, you're just here experiencing what you've already done from the human aspect. So you are, in that sense, you are literally God, okay? And that's what most humans think of when they think of God here. And how do I know this? Because I've been outside of this and I've seen it, right? Like this is just, I've seen other lifetimes, I've seen the dynamics. Now who created this whole universe? And that's just souls like you and I, right? And soul has greater power or anything over another soul, right? Now who created the souls? We've just always existed, my friend. We are pure consciousness itself, you know, because to exist means what? By definition, to exist. So if there was ever a time that we did not exist by default, you know, we would never exist. You can't exist and not exist at the same time. So we have always existed. So there is no creation. There is no creator. Not that I have seen and I've been pretty, pretty far back. Are there any dangers to having an out of body experience? No, there's nothing dangerous about it at all. Now when I say we're basically shutting our bodies down to the point that we're dying and we're coming back, that's still not scary because you need to understand that you are your ultimate authority. You are always in control. People used to ask me all the time when I leave, am I afraid that I can't come back? No, because I understand that I am in control. The same way that I said, you know, nobody can force you in a reincarnation loop or anything unless you believe it. You can always come back. You always have the choice to come back because there's many near death experience stories where somebody got shot in the head and they're like, oh, wow, I don't even know how you survived. Well, the will of his soul was so strong that he wanted to come back to finish his mission or his game. You know, and then there's there's nothing to be afraid of because this is not real life. The life is there on the other side. That's the real life. This is just you can consider this like the dream and once you leave here, you wake up, right? That's why I don't let that's why it's called like the Great Awakening. You wake up from this dream state that we're in, right? That's the other side and you are eternal. So if you don't die and you are eternal and nothing can hurt harm or kill your soul and then yeah, there's nothing, nothing to be afraid of at all. There's no, there's no danger at all. Another being can't steal your body while you're out there. No. So that's another great misconception either. No, no, no being can steal your body. So each, the same way that the realms are separated by frequency, each soul has a unique frequency, a unique signature that's tethered to this body and that's tethered to the pineal gland. So when you're outside of your body, no other soul can literally come to your body. That's just one of the rules of the game. That's just the way this was set up because we're in an intelligently designed creation with intelligently designed bodies. Nobody can literally come into you. Now what can happen is you can certainly channel some bad entities or something like that. That's where the theory of possession comes in and things like that. But literally you're allowing that to happen and as soon as you stop, or you command your space, they have to, by default, you know, go away. And when I say command, like you have to really believe it and really understand that you are your ultimate authority. But yeah, no being is going to come into your body. It's just not a possible thing. After watching this podcast, people may want to reach out to you and ask you questions. Are you open to that? And it's so how do they connect with you? Yeah. I'm certainly open to that. I have a website, you know, the alchemist369.com. I have a Beyond the Val section where I go over, you know, the Game of Life, the mechanics of this place and various insights and downloads that I've received in the out of body state. You can also work with me one out one if you want to try to leave your body or anything of that nature. And yeah. Do you have anything else going on that you want people to know about? I'm actually, I actually just released a the mechanics presentation, which details the inner functions of this realm, right? So once you understand that we're in creation and it is a flat plan of existence with a firm and above it, it's like, okay, that's all fine and dandy, but how does it work? What gives us the illusion of gravity then what makes the sun and moon travel around this place? What gives the orbit? What gives the seasons? Why is the full moon a thing? Why is astrology important and all of that? So yeah, I just put together a presentation, you know, detailing all of that, you know, that can be found on the site. Andre, before we finish up, can you leave us with a last positive message? Oftentimes in this life, people feel lost or they feel like they don't know which direction to go. I just want you guys to know that you come from love, you are love and you return back to love. And as long as you just keep that in your heart and you just know that and you seek love and you seek the truth, everything will be all right. Andre, thank you for your message and thank you for being my guest. Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate it.