Are We Having a Midlife Crisis? | Ear Biscuits Ep. 448

This this this this is medical Welcome to ear biscuits the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time I'm link and I'm right this week at the roundtable of dim lighting. We are going to be roasting someone a cat lover Really hard they ask for it. Oh, yes for it We're going to be talking about mid-life crises and whether or not we're going through those. Oh, are we gonna get to that? Yeah, we are now I mean, oh, we're gonna get to our mid-life crisis. Oh, I think we're fully I think I'm in it I think I'm on the other end. I'm on the backside of it. Oh, yeah, yeah But first I want to tell you about a futuristic experience that I had okay I like how you're selling it not as a sports experience, but as a future experience The elements the elements of this That are interesting or not the sports parts so our friend Mike from North Carolina Not our friend Mike from California different Mike. Yeah Was in town and of course we hung out on Friday night But then on Saturday night just he and I went to The Clippers game at the new arena the Intuit dome and where is that right next to Sofie? It's in the same like Englewood like Sofie the forum the forum Sofie YouTube theater all that stuff Yeah, all that just land down there that's just giant Entertainment venues now Clippers got their own space. I've been a clip of fan share with the Lakers and you start to feel like you're like going into Enemy territory every time you go to a home game Well, I think the reason I was originally drawn to the Clippers was I've always you know as a state fan felt like You just sort of gravitate towards the underdog, but then the weird thing that happened with the Clippers is that once I started pulling for them They really became like L.A.s best team And that's kind of falling apart at this point I believe but is that because you stopped falling for no I still pull for them Oh, okay In fact me and you got to go to a Clippers game last year we were given Clippers jerseys and we threw t-shirts into the crowd during half time Yeah, and that was the game that LeBron was that was the Lakers Clippers game But LeBron did play he did play I've never seen LeBron play he did play I did I was no he didn't He did not I've never seen him play I remember sitting there thinking this is kind of cool We're getting to see LeBron James play basketball. This is probably this might be one of the only times I get to do this Am I gonna dream that Well one of us one of us dream something Well, maybe I dreamed it But anyway, I'm still a Clippers fan and I Had not been to the new place which this you know the arena opened up Like the first concert in there was like two months ago, you know three months ago. Oh, so it is fresh Very fresh and okay, I didn't realize that and Okay, so I just the experience starts with the tickets You know being bought and then me learning that I had to have the tickets on the Intuit dome app Own they got their own app you can't have ticket master app you can't you can't have you have to have The app in every single person over 13 I think has to have their ticket on their phone Mm-hmm now lots of people have been complaining about this like the rating on the Intuit app Intuit dome app is like 1.4 stars or whatever because people hate having to do this kind of stuff But they don't make you like into it owns quick books and Quicken so do they make you like do your file your taxes through Quicken before you get a ticket they might they they might be sending you Those types of opportunities later, but no But there are some who've started there are who well so Hoops I to jump understand ask about now first of all a lot of the things that I'm gonna talk about Are you gonna make people who are like there are some people who are just really concerned about privacy and You're probably right, you know, but I'm just a dumb sheep and I don't care. I just go along with all of it right Because I just feel like if we're all doing it. We've done it so much Already yeah So if you're one of those people that's like you shouldn't do this and you shouldn't have your biometric information You know listen everybody's got my stuff multiple companies have my DNA 23 in me the company that we use two companies that we use for the show like I can be Multiple time company. I can be I can be framed for crimes. You can do anything to me that you want So I'm all there already so I'm not well I'm not part of the resistance when it comes to this particular issue of security This is a nice alibi though whenever you get accused of something Um, so I like that and I got to say The convenience that comes along with what I ended up doing with the inconvenience of the app I'm going to tell you some things and I don't know You're also a little country boy from buis Creek so I think you're gonna be impressed by this as the as much as I was I think you're gonna tell me that you didn't have to take your phone out of your pocket Okay, I might say that So what I did on the phone is I had to create my game face ID which is I had to take a picture of my face now This was an option didn't have to do this. Uh-huh. Oh, but I was like I'm doing everything. Yeah, yeah I'm peeing into the app. Yeah, yeah, whatever I can do right? I'm peeing peeing Licking it Yeah, I'm giving all of myself to it because I wanted to be as easy as possible I mean did it ask I want to be the consummate consumer dick pic Yeah, I got a picture of my dick on the app and uh Because I put you in your seat based on dick length And I was I was on the second row Shut up so uh second something must be working you didn't send me a picture and you were pretty close very close Your dick wasn't visible it was dick sorting. I'm telling you that's what it was you don't pay for a ticket you just put your dick in the app I'm sorry you started that That is went along with it. Okay, dick sorting sounds a little too close to dick soaring Okay, we're gonna put we're taking it far enough. We're taking it far enough. I'm out so First of all, they took a picture of your face Here's what I was expecting as a and I think you as an industrial engineer would be impressed with this but as a civil engineer that you know I'm also thinking about the construction, but I'm thinking about the efficiency of this and I'm like this is a brand new arena so I have to imagine That everything that we have learned about people flow and you know traffic and proximity to things and corridors They're gonna have it perfected here and I got to say They did oh man starting with parking so Giant dome facility on the left side of the street as I'm coming up well So we like you know whatever east and and then on to the west of that across the street is a giant multi-level parking deck That's where the parking that I got was. I think that's where most of the parking is you park and Oh first of all you have it you have a ticket on your Your your app and you have your vehicle registered On the app now I will say that this did not work as it will because it was a little bit unclear I added my vehicle and technically I'm supposed to be able to pay for parking ahead of time and then just drive in and park and drive out They're scanning your life. They scanned my phone, but it was very quick It was just a person with a thing and they scanned my phone But in an ideal world they wouldn't even do that okay, so little hiccup there, but that's the only hiccup I get out of my car. I'm on the fifth floor I think or so and Instead of walking downstairs or getting on an elevator There are elevators for people who need them But the vast majority of people are going down these long gently sloped ramps to go down levels That are very very wide and sending throngs of people through and you go down is this is this spiral? No, no, it's big Long slants they go like the almost the length of the parking deck But you don't think about the fact that you're walking that much because you're constantly moving and there's no bottle So switchbacks and it's it's a conveyor belt like the moving floor is in an airport Yeah, you never stop you never stop walking So then when you come down the final ramp and it was actually only one level for me You come to a bridge a very wide bridge that goes across the the street And then opens up into the pavilion and right in front of your eyes is a This giant pavilion like This big open area with a big like merch store and then this like giant basket ball goal sculpture This got like 20 basketball goals and some of them are like 50 feet high And then in front of you there's two basketball courts outside And then a giant digital art display that was showing this 3D thing that was just doing like we just said there and looked at it for a long time It's very cool And then like Honda is like sponsoring one of the courts and people like shooting baskets for Money or whatever and doing little competitions So we like stayed out there for like 10 or 15 minutes like taking that in. - Okay. - Very cool. 'Cause you're in the place, unlike the Staples Center where they kind of, like you're still kind of, until you're inside the arena, you're kind of in the city. - Yeah. - Here it has its own spot. And then when you go in, it's another sort of giant lobby with escalators going up to get to the upper level. Oh, you're walking to the pavilion, but then in order to get into the arena, it says, - You gotta show your t- - It has a line and it says, - Game Face ID. Mike and I just walk in there. No one stops us, we just walked right into the arena. - There's candy in your face. - Facial recognition software. Just a little-- - Did you see him stopping anybody? - So there was a two guys with iPads and like red jackets on, and they were kind of standing at the end and we kind of looked at them, they were like, like nodding like, - You've made it. - You've made it. - You've made it. - I saw your face. - Basically, there's somebody there, because if there's nobody there, people are like, can I go, you know how people are? We've never had this kind of freedom. Freedom, their job is to stand there and nod, to make you feel-- - To feel like it's okay. And also to keep people who are cheating, you gotta have somebody there. - Oh yeah. - But I think half of their job at least is to let people know, yeah, you can keep walking, you just keep going, just never stop walking. The whole idea in this arena is you never stop walking. - Tee, you see, though. Then we walk in and-- - If there's a treadmill at the seat, I'm out. - Cool. - It lobby area. Like lots of cool lighting and fixtures and stuff, it's very futuristic. And then we walk in and you get into, now I guess you can't improve upon this idea, but at every arena you have this ring, this hallway that you're walking around on whatever level that you are waiting to go to, you're looking at the numbers to get to your seats. Now we were like, we're not gonna eat until we get to the thing. I was like, this is a brand new place. Let's eat, Mike and I ate so much food. We ate so much food with you on Friday. - Oh my God, we can come back to that. - But then I just kept eating all weekend. I ate so much food. I have no idea how many calories I consumed over the course of three days. But you did write the wait until you got there 'cause you wanna experience the culinary treats of the new arena. - But the thing that I noticed was that they had a place called Fast Break or Pick and Roll. The restaurants were named Basketball Terminology. - Okay. - Themes. It's like, oh, and it would be just like, oh, there's hot dogs and pizza and so it's chicken. And I was like, this is interesting. I was like, let's keep walking. We'll get to a branded foods. Because every arena has this company has set up their stuff. We walk around half the arena. And I just keep seeing the same spots over and over again. So then we go out to one of the information people and we're like, is there like a spot with like a food court or like other branded food? And they're like, no, all the food is the same in every single place. - And at first I was like, feelings got hurt a little bit. - I was like, I've been saving my appetite, man, you know? - Yeah. You want the specialized chicken sandwich. When we used to go to a Clipper's game at the staple sandwich, we get that Ludo chicken. Now, let me just say. - That was good. That was a good little fried chicken sandwich 'cause they use the thigh. If they don't use the thigh in your fried chicken sandwich, you must move on. - You could have said deny, but you must deny. So if they don't use the thigh in your fried chicken sandwich, you must deny. - Yep. - Have a sandwich. - So at first I was a little disappointed. But then I, so-- - Then you had to eat anyway. - Later I went and researched, 'cause I knew that I was like, this is all part of some engineer. I know that this is intentional, right? - Sure. - And it is. It turns out that first of all, they put a lot of time and intention into what's offered. - Okay. - So the philosophy is, I'm suspicious. It sounds like a ghost kitchen to me. - Well, yeah, but think about it like this. - If it good or not, it was very good. - Very good? - Yeah, yeah. - So what did you get? - So the first time I got, so they obviously have, they had LA street dogs. Now, bacon wrapped. - Let me just hot dogs. - I don't know what I should tell you first, because I'm gonna tell you what I got. And then I'm gonna tell you how I got it, 'cause that's a lot more interesting than what I got. They have everything that you might want, but it's not like as much stuff as you get it like the hydrostatium. So 'cause what they have is, they have multiple types of hot dogs, including an LA street dog, which was like legitimately very good. They have kind of a deep dish pizza, like a two squares of pizza, which I also got. - Personal pan type thing. - But they're all in these cardboard boxes. I think the company's called like 310 or something like that that makes all this stuff. They have a cheeseburger, a little like a smash burger, but we had had a smash burger on Friday night, so I didn't get that. They have Korean fried chicken with waffle fries. They have course like pretzels, nachos, and they have a sushi dog, they call it, which is just basically a sushi roll that kinda looks like a hot dog, but it's like a spicy tuna thing. - It's not an abundo. - No, it's in like a seaweed wrap. - Okay. - So that's like the most fancy thing that they have. So I'm not saying that there's not a slight disappointment in that, but the thing is is that the whole philosophy of the food system is that any seat in the arena, you are two minutes from every food item that they offer. Again, efficiency. So if you're a stable center and you're sitting in section 317 and you want Ludo chicken, you gotta walk out, you can walk out. - And then you go there and how many people are in line. Yeah, so they're like, we're trying to make all of this more efficient, and so you're always close to everything that we offer and everything that we offer is really good. And I think that what they offered is really good. It may not be as good. - But the brand-in is not fun. - Exactly, so you have to work on the brand. - You have to adjust to that. And I think that having been-- - Sounds communist. - I think, okay. I'm all for it, here we go. Take my ID, take my dick, pick, (laughing) (laughing) - Right. - Put me on the farm. Okay, here's the thing. - Be enamored by the basketball and do whatever we say. - But let me tell you how it worked at these places. - Was it face-can again? - So you go up, and there is, now first of all, there's people in red jackets everywhere because people are-- - Not into it. - They gotta adjust to this, right? So our robot overlords can fully manipulate us. You have to have some people there to make it seem like it's okay. - Okay. - So there's a straight from the Kremlin. - So we walk up to this little thing. Like there's no, there's like these little screens with cameras on them on both sides of all the store, every store, everything. You walk up and you look at the thing and it says, "Hi, Rhett." And you just walk in. - What? - You walk in and then you grab what you want and you walk out and it charges you automatically. You don't talk to anyone. - It just, you just take it. - Because I have Apple Pay set up on my phone in my thing. So I just go in, I grab a hot dog, I grab a pizza, I grab a beer. - And me and Mike, - Were you grabbing it like, were you gesticulating? Were you like really going big with it? - I did. In fact, we picked up things looked at them and put them back. Not as a test of the system. - Oh, just to see, just to see. - It was gonna close. - I was opening things up and I was like, I took the dog out and looked at it 'cause I was like, I wanna get a good one, you know? Like I'm like, just doing what I would do. And then I didn't know yet that we could just walk out. - I didn't charge you for opening that thing. - It was a fee, but it was. - And then we go to the exit and then there's another guy with a red coat and he's just like, you can walk right out. He knew that we didn't know that we could do that. He's like, you just walk on out. And then on my phone, it was like, you've been charged $44, you know? Like my Apple Pay just comes up and says. - And it charged it correctly. - And so within the app, you connected all that. - The merch stores work the same way. - You just go loot the place? - You walk in, you grab a jersey, you walk out. - You just lootin'. - Now we didn't do that. We didn't buy any merch. - Did you start? - You started to feel a little like the future's amazing. - Looking around, like putting a jersey on. - The future's amazing. You can do anything you want. - Open in a hot dog and closing it back. - Man, you just, the future is great, huh? - Everybody knows. - How much do you want to go now? You want to be there. I can tell you want to be there. Oh, and I have any, okay. Now let's talk about the basketball part. - Well, I don't mean the basketball sport part. I mean the technology part, okay? - Just to answer your question for a second. - Yes, I want to be there, but I'm glad I wasn't 'cause I was on a romantic one night getaway. - Okay. - And I'm not gonna tell you all the details of that. - I'm sure it went take long. - No, actually. (laughing) - Well, you actually know more than I'm saying on Mike. - In my sea or Mike in my cave. - What? - On my phone. - Yeah. - Okay. - So, let me finish this. - Yeah, finish it, please. - So then we go and we did have really, really good seats. And we was a great game. You know, I'm not too confident about the Clippers this year, but they did win. And 'cause it feels like we just lost every great player and we just have a lot of good players, but no new people that I could decipher. But maybe I'll figure that out. as the season goes on. - I'm expecting a lot technologically after everything you've said, because I want this to continue at the seat. Like when you show up at your seat, does the seat talk to you? Does it say hi, Rhett? - You know how when you go to some basketball games, they give you like a little light up bracelet, and then it starts doing things, coordinated things for the whole crowd. - So the way that this arena works is every seat has a light on each armrest. - And it also has buttons and stuff, and I couldn't figure out the buttons. I didn't know what the buttons did, but the lights are constantly doing things throughout the game and concert. So it's like your seat is contributing to the crowd light thing happening, but it's not on you, which is kind of cool. Also, as a big man, I can say, significantly more legroom than any arena that I have been in. Like I'm sitting there, somebody could walk in front of you, without you having to sit there. - No, no one can walk in front of me. - Not you, but me. - Maybe. - But there's maybe three inches between why knee and the next seat, which is crazy. Any other arena I've ever been into, I have to sit with my like sideways. Like we went to the forum to watch Casey Musgraves, and I had to put my feet in the front row, the next row, 'cause there was nobody there, and I could do it. But like I just so uncomfortable the whole time. So they got the legroom thing, I like that. - Okay. - But the thing that is the most fun part of this is I'm gonna predict that it has something to do with trash removal, because that's the big problem. Is there a hole under there that you can see? - No, there's not a trash shoot under every, you can imagine the infrastructure for a trash shoot. - Well, about conveyor belt. - Trash in a layer belt. - Nothing like that. You just throw it under your seat, like you do at any place. - Automatic shoe shiner. - The thing that's awesome about the arena inside besides the legroom and the little lights is of course the screen, which is, and I think they've done this at a couple of NFL stadiums. It's a giant ring that is for anyone in the upper deck they're looking on the outside of the ring that goes all the way around. Anyone on the lower deck is looking up at the interior of the ring. - Okay, yeah. - And it has like, okay, so the starting lineup is in. And there are these, right there on your left side is a giant, I'm talking like 100 feet wide. All five players on the screen, in like a stationary pose like this, like they're bust. And then when they do something, like if Norman Powell scores, all of a sudden on that screen, Norman Powell will go like, like he'll kind of like move. - Pretty good, myself. - And then he'll light up. And then he'll go back to being stationary. So you know exactly who did the thing. Then it's like an animated gif, but the other thing that happens is when somebody scores or does something awesome. So in the middle of course, you know, like in some arenas, you don't know where to look. And like, well, if I want these stats to look over here and these stats and the score and the time, and there's like a hundred damn places you're looking, this is just all right there. Like everything that you want to know is very simple and right in front of you. And giant. - Okay. - It's like an alien craft that knows everything you want. And it's landed right there in the middle of the venue. - Yeah. - In the ceiling. So like, Zubok dumped it or something, right? - Mm-hmm. - And then I look up at the scoreboard and all of a sudden, Zubok, like a giant, he's already giant. A giant Zubok like comes up from behind the scoreboard, the score, and he like reaches over the scoreboard and he's like pointing like this and his, and it's like hand is going in front of the score. He looks like he's coming out of the screen. He's like, what? - Yeah. And then like, anytime a player did something, a different video of them coming up and like sticking their hands out, like Batoum, the French guy was like acting like he was conducting something like, it was awesome. I loved it. I was like, I'm just sitting there watching this the whole time and then of course, any replay, anything you could imagine that you would want related to the stats, who's playing, who did what? It's up there on the screen. - Huh. - And so again, that's probably not like the most groundbreaking thing, but I haven't been to a place that has this technology. I've been to a place that has like the thing in the middle and then you know, whatever they've got it, it's Stapleson. - What about the basketball rules? They're still doing double dribble? - Still got double dribble. - Okay. - Oh, they're also still, I mean, they're doing this a lot of double dribble. They still have the fireworks, where they have like the charges that come down. - Yeah. - And they're like blowing up at the end of these little things, but it looks like a literal fireworks, things happening at certain times. - I kinda need to go see this. - Yeah, I haven't been to-- - I think about getting some ongoing seats. - No. - No. - Okay. - Well, maybe I'll go to one. - 'Cause at that time, we got season tickets and they told us we would be able to resell our tickets for a bunch of games that never worked. So I'm just gonna go, I'm just gonna go when I wanna go. It's also a long way down there, a single wood. - Yeah, that's true. I don't like driving. - Takes a while to get down there. - Why did I call the video game double dribble? Because you could double dribble in the game, right? - No. - Just because it sounds cool. - Double dribble. - Like double dragon. - Oh. - Oh, but you couldn't double dribble. - Here's, but I have one critique. Just one critique for the Clippers. So you know how they wore the San Diego Clippers when they first started, and the Clipper is like a sailboat of some kind. - Yeah. - They're really leaning into the maritime imagery. And the new logo, it looks like, it looks like the logo for a yacht club. - Oh. - It's literally the front of a boat coming at you. And you only kinda know that when you really think about it. And then they're leaning into the Navy of it all. You know, like, like, are they wearing naval uniforms? - No, no, literally the color Navy. - Okay. - 'Cause you know how different teams have multiple, like, Clippers are one of those teams that they have multiple colors. Like, they've got like a royal blue, then there's almost like a sky blue, and then there's a Navy, and then there's the red and the white. And then sometimes black. And they decide what they're gonna lean into in their official color scheme. But it's all Navy this year. - I just don't know that I like the feeling of a ship coming straight at me. - No. I hate it. - Yeah. - And then there's all kinds of, a lot of the animations that are happening are very much like ocean stuff. - Now if they were playing yacht rock in there, I think I'm okay with embracing the fact that we're Clippers, like we're boats, but. - I don't know, I don't think, I mean, I just, I don't like the New logo. I'm not a fan. - Okay. - So, did you get some? - Did you buy it in by Jersey? - Well crap. - If you're not into sports, maybe you're into Dutch as a dragon. You can be into both, or you cannot be into either. But over at the Mythical Society, we've been running this exclusive, deep, deep well of Dungeons and Dragons. Well, I can't even say it. Dungeons and Dragons. Dungeons and Dragons experience. (laughing) We, T.J.'s been running a campaign over there. I played a character, which was the same character. You play, we were in the rotating position. We got Emily, we got Lily, we got Trevor. So, the finale happened this week on the Mythical Society. And if you're watching the YouTube version of this, it's the finale's already out. So, go over there and check it out. If you, if you or someone you know is into Dungeons and Dragons, check out that campaign season finale one is done. We're gonna do a second season, of course. And we'll get back in on that. - Yeah. - Mythical Society.com. - This is a lot fun. - Yeah, check it out. (upbeat music) - Hi, my name is Lloyd Lockridge and I'm the host of a new podcast from Odyssey called Family Lore. In this podcast, I'm going to have people on to tell unusual and sometimes far-fetched stories about their families. - I've heard my whole life that she ended at the Margarita. - And then, we're going to investigate those stories and find out how much of it is true. - He gets a patent one month before the Wright brothers. Oh my God. - Please follow and listen to Family Lore, an Odyssey podcast available now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your shows. (upbeat music) Let's hear a voicemail. - Hey, Rhett and Link, Connor from Florida here. I've been watching you guys for a long time in the 11, 12 years now and I need some advice. I have had a friend since second grade. We've been basically lifelong friends since you like you guys. I'm only 27, but I'm pretty sure we'll be lifelong friends forever. His sister recently moved down from Michigan and I've known her for a couple of years, only hung out there a few times before this, but we hung out a couple times recently and we've been talking a lot and we're getting to a point where I think that we're gonna be dating. And I wanna know how to tell my buddy this. It's a weird situation. Never thought this would happen, obviously. But yeah, I just want you're good. Tell him, how should I approach this subject with him in general? I really like his sister and I would hope that he's happy that she's dating somebody that he really knows well and but just like you're present in vice. I appreciate you guys. Love you. Bye. - Okay. I think there's, I'm sensing that there's lots of pitfalls with this, you know? That there's a path forward that could be good for everybody. But I just feel like it's fraud. So I'm a little nervous, you know? I'm a big fan of long term best friendships, you know? Working out for us. Of course we didn't date each other siblings because we didn't have eligible siblings to date. - Correct. - I wasn't gonna, you know? You don't have a sister. That's what I'm trying to say. - You had your Emmy for a while. - I had a step sister for a while, but yeah. - But she's like music. - She's like four years older. - She's like four years older than you and we were too young. - I always had an attractive tour if you case you're wondering. - Okay, she wanted to try it, do you either? - Okay. - I just, if it doesn't work out, what does it do for your friendship? Does it, you know, how do you deal with that? - You haven't told him about it. He's probably picking up on more than you think, but I just think you gotta let her do the dirty work. I mean, she's his sister, you know? She knows him better than you do. I don't know about this in my bed. - Let her, let her, let her break the news. And then you can be like, oh, I didn't know she was your sister. I just thought she was a good friend, a coin acquaintance. - I thought she just was at your house a lot. - Yeah. - All those years that we grew up together. I just thought she was just a neighbor. I guess this is a younger sister. I mean, it's like, yeah, if you've been friends since second grade, you've known the sister this whole time. - But things have changed at a certain point. - Which makes it a little bit weird, right? - You tend to see somebody in a different light. - Well, of course, that happens. Now, I think one of the things that you need to think about is that I don't necessarily agree with Link that you should get her to do the dirty work. I do tell Janet it neither. (laughs) - I do think that a conversation with your friend is warranted, but here's why I'll say going into it, 'cause I agree with you, Link, that this is fraught. I think when you go, and I think this is a general rule for anytime you are going to someone to let them know about, like you have to know what your intentions are, because if you're going into the conversation and you're thinking to yourself, I'm kind of seeking his approval. Well, if that's your intention, then if he's like, no, I'm not comfortable with this, and I feel like this would mess our friendship up. You kind of have to be willing to deal with the repercussions. You have to, if that's where you're going, but if you're just going to inform him, now you've kind of made your decision. Is your decision about this dependent on his perspective, because if it is, you have to take into account. If your decision about this is not dependent on his perspective, then you have to be prepared for how your relationship with him might change. Now, he might be totally cool. You might be right. A lot of guys are like, obviously, very worried about what dude, their sister is going to be with, and they do want their sister to be with somebody who knows. A known entity. Respect them and love them. And so maybe he's like, whatever awkwardness this brings into the situation is offset by the fact that I know that you're a good guy. If you are a good guy, I'm assuming you're a good guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. You listen to this podcast. He's a great guy. So in a best case scenario, it works out great. You're saying that he needs to broach the issue in the way that represents what he's actually interested in getting from his friend. Is it approval or is it just knowledge? This reminds me-- You got to know what you're going in for. A principle of, well, as CEOs of this company, one of the things we've had to do in review meetings, we started to talk about inform versus ask. And so what you're saying reminds me of this. It's just a-- it's been a helpful principle to us. When people tell us things in the capacity of a boss, sometimes it's not clear if they're asking for-- if they're asking a question or if they're requesting input or if they're just sharing information, FYI. So it's nice to know this is-- we've actually organized some meetings where we're just being brought up to speed on things as inform and ask separately. So we'll know when it's like, OK, I'm just listening to this to understand, but I'm not listening to this to interject or to change unless I really feel the need to. And as a person entered, like the person instigating the conversation, I just think it's really important to know what your mission is in the conversation. Yeah, because if you're going to just being like, I'm just going to see how it goes. And then in your heart of heart, you actually are looking for his approval, and he doesn't give it to you. Then what do you do? Yeah. Then now you're left with a choice of, I going to reject his input and just go for it. Now the whole relationship is starting off on this weird foot where you're like, well, I'm choosing your sister over you. This is like the worst case scenario of how these things can play out. But if you go in saying, hey, I'm doing this. And I mean, I can imagine that kind of-- once you start really liking somebody, and they're really liking you, a lot of times, the circumstances that might complicate that kind of fade into the background. And so the way that you're talking-- If you're a very mispronounced person, it sounds like you're going to get together. And if that's the way you're feeling about it, then I think this is an informed-- Intellicate. And then maybe there's a question that goes along with the informing, which is like, how do you feel-- Are you going to be OK with this? How do you feel about this? And is there a way that you would ask that I go about this, that it respects you? Is it like, I don't want you to talk to me about my sister, might be one of the requests. Yeah. I just want to know-- I don't want to know anything about your relationship with my sister. I want to know how you feel about it. But I'm not asking-- I mean, you don't have to say, but I'm not asking your permission. Just don't ask permission. If that's what you're going in with. I have another thing. And I think this is the clencher. Pre-Nop. You need a relationship pre-Nop. And I know for certain it's a two-way pre-Nop. And my question is, should it be a three-way pre-Nop? You craft a document with your friend that-- it's sorry to be craft, burrows before hooves. Oh. Now, I don't know his sister. And I'm not-- Pretty press. I'm not using that term. I'm using it. I'm just referring to it. I'm not using it. OK. That's an interesting distinction. But it's-- I'm committed to our best friendship. And I'm not going to let my romantic interest get in the way of it. But that's a priority. I'm saying, if things go south with your sister, we're committed to caring-- I just think you're introducing the froughtness. And then you tell her about it. I just think that this is-- maybe she sees it. This is the risk that you're taking, Link. Because the fact is, is that by beginning this process, what you are doing is you are putting your friendship at risk. That is an element of this. It really is. Because then if things go south, you may end up losing your friendship with both of them. Right? That's why we need to have something to enact. So-- Right. No. Because if you go into the relationship with her, with that, then it seems like you've got some allegiance to him that supersedes your allegiance to her. And now that's what she's thinking about. Yeah. She not going to like that. No. So I think it's either-- Why is your allegiance to the person you're dating versus your friend since second grade? Why-- why are you not saying-- I'm not saying-- I'm not saying-- --sleeping and getting the idea. I'm saying that there's allegiance to one person. I'm just saying that practically, you really can't. There's not like a-- there are different kinds of relationships. And then what ends up happening is ultimately-- especially if a romantic relationship moves towards a partnership. At that point, I do think it's appropriate for your partnership to have presidents over your friendship. Jenna, have you ever dated one of your brothers-- What? siblings? No, that was not used. One of your brothers-- Have you ever done this? And if you have, explain to me how it works, because I'm a-- If you're asking if I've ever dated any of my friends, brothers-- Or your brothers friends. Or your brothers friends. Your brothers friends. Well, my brother and I are twins, so both of us have dated each other's friends at some point. So this was something that was quite common. Quite common. What we should have asked you earlier then. Yeah, you should have. I think it's okay. It's all right. I was-- And you and your brother are friends. You're close. Your brother and I are very close. So you have a bond. I mean, you have the twin thing. I know that's weird. His wife was my friend first. And yeah, my sister-in-law was my friend before they started-- How close of a friend. Pretty close, yeah. So, we were on the same software. How did that go? Well, okay. So, junior year of high school, she was a year younger than us. She was a sophomore. And my brother didn't have a date for prom. I wasn't sure who he was going to ask. And I suggested that he asked Suzanne. Oh. So, they went to prom together our junior year. They didn't date. They all just friends, but then they reconnected in college again and started dating. So I like to think that I planted the seed. Yeah, this is your doing, but you didn't go to the same college as him. We did. Oh. And her. She did not go to the same college as us. She came back in town because Sean and I both went to Tennessee, so it was our hometown. So she came back to visit friends of hers who were at UT. And while they're, she hung out with me. She hung out with some friends who end up being friends with my brother too. So yeah, and that's how they reconnected in college. But if she was your best friend, how would that have changed things? I don't think it really would have. I think I just have a different perspective because it was a normal conversation that my brother and my friends would have. Like I had friends who would date or be attracted to my brother and be like, "Hey, I think your brother's cute. Is it okay if maybe I start talking and seeing a baby and go?" And I'd be like, "Yeah, that's totally fine. I'm not going to." My brother's an amazing, amazing person. So. Maybe what's going on here is that when you've got like healthy, adjusted people, all three people in the scenario are like non-toxic people, then the conversation's a lot different. Not that there won't be the potential for the relationship to end and then it gets a little bit awkward in some way, but not in a way that you can't work through. I mean, when my brother and I first started like going down like, "Oh, we're dating people." Yeah, the conversations were a little uncomfortable at first when it would be like, "Oh, I think your friend is really cute." Like those conversations were uncomfortable, but there's certainly not. As we got older and had them a number of times, it became less uncomfortable. Right. Well, then you give me hope. I think this could be a good thing. Yeah. It's a known entity all the way around. This could really work. I think it could work. I definitely don't think you should not do it because you're worried about it. Hey, I'm the one full of bad ideas. Now I'm just having hope. That's my only idea. Right. Okay. Let's, um, good luck. Thank you for that, Jenna. Let's hear the cat question. Hi, Rhett. Hi, Link. Um, this is Kennedy from Iowa. So I recently made a decision that will put me in line for some ridicule, I think. And I kind of want to get ahead of it before it starts so that I know what to expect. Um, so I started least training my cat so that I can take them on hikes with me. Um, I know that there's a lot of judgment behind that. I totally get it. A lot of it's warranted. My cats really do seem to enjoy it and I love getting to spend some time outside with them. Can you guys make fun of me for walking my cat so that I could just get used to it? Rhett, I think you'll especially be good in this exercise. So I'd love to hear what you guys have to say. Love you guys for a long time. Bye-bye. Multiple cats. Yeah, it sounds like she's walking multiple cats and I'm going to let you lay into her first and I got you back because this is what she asked for to be completely roasted like a garlic clove. I think it starts to be honest with you. I think it starts with annoying inquisitiveness from strangers. That is, that is the main thing you're going to have to deal with and we can ramp up to outright insults. Oh my god. Is that a cat? Like that? Yeah. More like. Are you serious? It's just a skit. It's just a skit. Hold on, watch the camera. You can't be serious. Oh like that. You can't be serious, right lady? You're walking a cat. Two cats. Oh, there's another cat. Oh my god. Two cats. Man, where are you from? You're not from around here, are you? A cat lady coming in from out of town, bringing her cats. Look at this lady. She's walking cats. Can you believe that? I ain't supposed to walk a cat. What if a dog comes up? She's going crazy. What's this world coming to? I'd like to see a dog come up right now. You think they like it? They don't look like they like it. Is this where do they like anything? They're cats, right? You ain't walking them cats. Them cats walking you. That's it. That's the one. Yeah, yeah. Them cats are walking you. You're going to get that. Well, if you go to work, you're going to get that. If you go to work, we're from. That's what you're going to get. I don't know where you're going to work. So what are you going to say when them cats are walking you? I would not engage. First of all, that's my advice. Learn to take it with a smile. There's nothing you're going to say back to these times. Well, you know what you could do. You guys, come over here. You can have a car. Let me show you what I don't want to raise you to do when you grow up. You could have a card. Now, there are, I had a talk guy once, hand me a card that said, I think it was at a meat and Greek, a family and Greek maybe. And the card said, yes, I'm tall. Six eight to be exact. No, I do not play basketball. It was like a card that just was like, these are the questions that tall people are asked. It was kind of like the RSTL in E on Wheel of Fortune. So we know you want these letters. You should have a little, maybe a brochure if it requires more of an explanation. It could be a card. Yes, I'm walking cats. Yes, they do enjoy it. No, they are not walking me. That's it. It could be a t-shirt. Yeah. Front and back. Or just back. Or if you're wearing one of those backpacks that your cats can crawl into when they're tired of walking because they're not dogs. They're going to get tired of walking. What kind of stamina do they have? Dogs feel like they can go forever. What depends on the dog, of course. Jay cannot go forever. Cats are more like quick, like fast, short distances. I think, I mean, my cat, well, I'm not going to say it's my cat. The cat that we live with, Saka, he's almost becoming our cat. Like he's really winning everybody over. I'm just going to be honest. He's got a lot more affectionate. He's got a lot more bold. He doesn't put up with Jade shit much at all anymore. Like when she barks and tries to be territorial, it just doesn't. She's giving up more. He's coming around more. He will say a proper sometimes. He'll get to high ground and give her a little bat. No, no claws though. I'm starting to think about maybe taking a four walk. I think he would like it out there. Now we have to meticulously- You could do it with the dogs though, probably. Like, I've seen some of these videos of people trying to, like, what it takes to train a cat to walk on a leash is not easy. Because they probably are like biting it and clawing it and like, what the hell are you trying to do? I don't like to wear it. But then if you get them, it's like walking a chicken, which we've done. Train? Yes. Super hard. They get these back, you sing the backpacks where people take their cats into public and there's like a big, like, windowed dome thing and like they can put their head in it and look around. But they usually keep them zipped up in that. But there's at least one hiker that I guess I've come across on Instagram where they will be on a hiking trail with their cat, my camping with their cat. And when the cat gets tired, they just kind of- They put their elbow out and the cat will jump up on the elbow of this person, climb up on the shoulder and then get in the backpack just freely in and out. And I like the idea that. I mean, I grew up as a fan of he-man. And you know, he-man had the big battle cat and he would ride the cat. But the cat wouldn't ride him. Cat. That's true. The cat, cringer, cringer, cringer became a battle cat. Battle cat. You got very- He wore a mask. It was like armor. He made him look kind of badass. But he was like- He was like- He was a green cat with orange accents. Yeah. I had him. And then when they realized that everybody was buying the battle cat, they started selling- They gave Skeletor a cat ride. Like a white cat. No. It was a black panther. And it was. It had a felt on it. A cover chest. I had him and he was completely stationary. Like non-articulating. It was like that felt- I love touching things. He was black. And Skeletor rode him. But I never felt like they had the barn that Adam and cringer had. It felt like it was a cat of convent. being it's well it was copying he was a copycat I'm just calm it was a copycat I'm just copying E-man I too can have a cat my cat it's black because I am a skeleton and I want him to be felt covered he costs more to manufacture and less children will buy him right my plan is working but anyway I I'm a fan of I don't I think I think the most beautiful animal is a tiger and that's a cat bruh I'm not gonna argue with that and and they're so wild and they're out there just doing their thing I like the idea of walking with a cat and you know I'm it when I like the idea of something part of it is is inciting the eye or in the credulity of those around me oh that's that's an insightful so you can like that you know Kimberly is that your name? Kinsey Kinsey you can like that but I do like your technique here is that you're you're putting yourself out there to be pre-roasted so that I don't know like a peanut by the time you get out there into the world you're ready to go you taste good little salty mm-hmm you got you've experienced some salty is now you can give it right back like that's right this is the future cats are you and you can make it feminist to you could say what are those shirts that say like women are the future you know the future is female that's it okay yep so you can also put that on your shirt and then underneath it and also cat walking is the future what you think about that well you could say the future is feline huh yeah you're catchy today I mean you're not marketing yeah that's right the future is female and feline yeah and feline and then you're out there walking here walking your cat yeah yeah that works let's let's hear the I want to get to the midlife crisis question I told you we might not get to it hey Rhett and Link from the DC area I was curious if you guys have had any thoughts about where your midlife crisis would be I'm 26 and I feel like getting into motorcycles would be a cool midlife crisis hobby but have you got thought about that and if so what were your midlife crisis hobby be love your guys the stuff give it a good work thank you I would say a common criticism of both of us that I've seen we get there's lots of there's lots of criticisms but a common one is that we are in the midst of a midlife crisis and a lot of many different things are used as evidence of that like what well deconstruction I mean people are like that oh you're you your spiritual shifts that's a midlife crisis hair hair changes yeah tattoos oh yeah tattoos is a big one like who who waits until their forties to start getting tattoos on their arms I mean obviously we're going through a midlife crisis men in crisis too so I'm not here's a thing I'm not even gonna defend myself or deny it is I kind of think I'm I've kind of always been in a midlife crisis oh you know what I'm saying it's like I kind of feel like I live I live in the midst of an existential crisis of like trying to figure myself out trying to like try new things I think one of the reasons I like new layers and stuff I mean my what am I gonna do with myself my archery my latest archery layer which is for evolving very quickly by the way is once some people found out about it and now that's taking off so I mean I just feel like what do me some people found out about it is taking off I've told certain people about it and they're like well I want you to do this when you come to North Carolina oh this so I mean it's just I'm gonna take you to do this like it's just starting to happen right you start finding people who want to do things other midlife men yeah other midlife crises and shooting arrows so I think that I think that everyone goes through a midlife crisis crisis meaning that there's like a question of identity who am I why am I here etc and then there whether you're gonna go through one or not that's not a question the question is how you gonna deal with it because it's whether or not you make healthier unhealthy choices right I think for me that's I'm trying to figure out from I think I'm having an assessment of my midlife I don't like calling it a crisis but a season the midlife season why you don't know the crisis because I'm not winging out about it I'm not suffering because of it it's not a bad thing it's just it's a it's a shifting of the winds and the sands and the sands are shifting downward through the hourglass you know so I I'm becoming more palpably cognizant of the fact that I'm going to die and so that's just one thing I notice it's all my mind a little bit more increasing but the other thing I'm launching a midlife crisis oh yeah I don't think I think that it's a broad term that doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing this I'm not okay because I'm talking there's people have like let's not call it right down no saying let's reclaim the crisis because people are gonna keep saying negative word can we change it in the context of midlife crisis I'm saying that people are gonna keep using it so I say reclaim it rather than try to redefine it okay it's an easy it's much less of an uphill battle I think I'm faced with a decision to continue to get weird or to try to slow that down like apparently I've gotten a lot more weird over the past few years over the past even I don't think decade but maybe decade I don't know do I need to slow that down do I need to counteract that or do I need to go full into it I'm in a little mitigation period you know where you know I don't like I don't like Chrissy Scratch in her head too much like I don't want to start planning fear in her brain right so I I mean just yourself be of weird as you yes that is a motto of mine but I think that's part of what's going on with my my midlife crisis right now is who do I who do I want to be I think is like the core question how do you answer that and I think the way that I've been answering it is just just go with the weird streak just go wild have fun it'll be over before you know it and fun and weird to me go hand at hand and I'm just I'm assessing that is that is there another facet to this for me should should I go into a bank and have a responsible conversation would that not be weird I think that what you're saying because that wouldn't be weird it would be weird for me but it would be it would seem responsible like like back half of life kind of thing you know I don't know I feel like I'm at a turning point do I need to mitigate any of my my wild streak I think I'm maybe I'm maybe the framing of this sets it up so that there's only one acceptable answer okay maybe I did that so I think that when you ask it like that what you're gonna hear from everyone just be yourself me as weird as you want to be and just do it do live with me every moment of every day but I think that the reality is is that and I don't think this is bad we've talked about this before so there are certain social norms and certain ways that we interact in the context of our community that I don't think are unhealthy so what I'm saying is that you can choose to be a person who is what I'm called I'm not against weird you who I'm gonna be as weird as I possibly can well I think that the thing you have to understand about that is that for people who are close to you you will become more isolated from them because that's what happens naturally because people don't always have time for total unpredictability and total weirdness they just don't they just this is coming from Christy right yeah it doesn't mean she doesn't love you it just means that and it's not as much as this direct feedback as much as it's just like it's something that I'm thinking about because you are an individual but you're also a father a husband a coworker a best friend a boss and so responsibility I think that when you frame it in such a way so that it's like this isn't I'm not about you not being yourself is that you manifesting your true self happens in the context of relationship and community. If it happens in a healthy way, it happens in the reference to the communities that you are a part of, with people who love you and respect you. Now people who are trying to keep you from being a certain way. 'Cause it's like, it's just like, okay, if you think about it in the context of a team of people, whether it's a sports team, or whether it's a band, or whatever, if there's one person who's just like, I'm gonna do my own thing irrespective of anyone else in this situation. Everyone is gonna become annoyed by that person. And that person's gonna be, it's gonna be harder for that person to be a part of that team. Now that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be as weird as they can be, but there is a, there is a metering effect that happens in the context of community. That's all I'm saying. So I think, so when you say, my wife says this or that, or I don't want her to be scratching your head, I think ultimately what you're saying is you don't want her to not like you. Do you know what I'm saying? You don't want somebody to be annoyed by it. So I think that, I don't think that's an unhealthy thing. And I think that too many people in our culture are like, do exactly what you wanna do without any reference to anyone else. It's like, well, there's a difference between being controlled by someone who's manipulating you or a system of oppression that try to keep you from being yourself. That's a completely different conversation than being like, but I do what I do in the context of a healthy community, right? I'm not saying that like, okay, you've got parents who are like telling you that you can't be yourself or you shouldn't do this or you shouldn't be interested in this. That's bullshit. Right. I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying when you've got people that love you, I'm not navigating social constructs. Yeah, because social constructs exist for a reason and I think that they can be healthy, especially when you've decided to tie yourself to other people. When other people are impacted by it, then I think that that is something to take into account. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be weird. I think that's not my problem. You're not gonna keep me from being weird. You're not gonna keep me from anything. You're just giving input. I appreciate it. I think most people, like I think my point in midlife now is that I can go out there and explore who I am. I'm on the outer rim of that. Most people might need to have a little more inhibition. That's not me. But I think that's how I interact with midlife is, who am I and who do I wanna be? I think that's a question that a lot of people have in midlife. Who do I wanna be? Do I wanna be a guy with long hair now? I wanna be a guy with an convertible now. That's the only reason I bring it up. And I think that there's, it's a good point in life to actualize. And I think I'm pretty good at that. It's the mitigation of actualization. From me, self-actualization that I think is, I can go off the deep end of on the other side of midlife crisis. That's what I'm identifying. And I think that I agree that it can go too far. It can be a kind of problem. I think what I'm saying is that there's nothing wrong with, like again, I think that the way this is often framed in our culture is that anyone who would give you any kind of feedback about something is like trying to oppress you or hold you back. It's like, okay, but like, that dude that was in Santa Cruz and was like walking really slow. Remember that guy? Yeah. Like that's a really weird thing to do, right? Now, do I find it cool and interesting? Yes. Am I glad that he exists in the world? Yes. Would I want to be his best friend? No, because he spends every day walking really slowly. I think that's my realm of midlife crisis. It's not as much about, it's like how am I gonna express myself and what parts of myself am I gonna develop? But it's less about, I guess sometimes it's about hobbies, but it's not, I just don't think of it as much that way. I think of a motorcycle. Well, motorcycle could be fun, but it's a little too dangerous. But if you're always in, riding on another motorcycle, that makes it a lot less dangerous. So if you're in, I'm in. I don't think we should do a motorcycle. I think that, I mean, hobbies is one element of this and I have lots of hobbies. And then there are things like, I'm gonna purchase this thing for myself. It's like, that's not, I mean, I do that from time to time. Like I have things like, I have a cold plunge, right? I have things that like scream midlife crisis in some ways, but it's less about like, so I can appear in a certain way. I think, I think as I get older, how I appear to people, I'm trying to make less, take, put less emphasis on that. Does that make sense? You just want to live longer, healthier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that like, when I think about the time that I have, I just think to me, I'm like, okay, I've had these experiences and I have this perspective and I've been blessed with an opportunity to translate my experiences and my perspective into, entertainment in some way that brings joy to people or maybe occasionally when we talk about something a little more serious, is illuminate something or would give some perspective or whatever. And I just think about like, I think the main thing I think about is not squandering that, you know? And I feel like there are opportunity with a ticking clock. Yeah, and like, I feel like I have choices to make, you know, most people who do what we do, well, most people who do what we do, don't do what we do anymore at this age. Just, I mean, from like an internet person. Yeah, right, like we're old. We're old within the profession that we're in. But even within the creative profession, when you get to be 47, you start really thinking is my best work in the past, especially for you. Yeah, and I don't really believe that, but I just think I spend more time thinking about that. I spend more time thinking about what is it that is left to do? And at the same time, you said that you're trying to think care less about, demote what others think of you. Well, I mean, I said before that like, if I wasn't on camera, then I would have already done something to like, I'm not going full Steve Jobs like Black Turtle neck every day because I also think that's weird. And I don't want to see, like a guy who dresses the same way every day is weird in a way that I don't want to be weird. You know what I'm saying? But that's a public perception that maybe you need to shit. I think we're kind of on opposite. We're on different, closer to different is of the spectrum. I wouldn't say we're totally opposite. Yeah, because like, because you're on this, if I heard you say that you're trying to not take into account as much of what how others perceive you, like that's not a problem of mine. So my thing is the awareness of that for my tendency and then say, all right, there's certain, like knowing the certain times where I do take into account, you know, how I impact other people. So it's kind of an interesting conversation that we're on different sides of it. Yeah, because I mean, obviously I'm still concerned about what people think, but it's kind of a different, what I'm trying to do in the, what I'm trying to work towards is like, seeing the things that I do, not as a series of accomplishments, but service, service to my fellow human. Because it's been pretty transformative to think about what we do as a service. Yeah, and that's been pretty big for me as someone who's very goal oriented is very ambitious and like, is it about doing something and having somebody perceive you in a certain way? I think that we've got, I've done this for long enough now and I've been in enough circles where you're so called accomplished, where people see you as a good at something or whatever to know that there's really no life in that, right? Sure, maybe there's like another couple of levels of like traditional success that we could ascend to and like when traditional awards like Emmys or whatever, but we kind of already, letting know what that would feel like. Do you know what I mean? We know that winning some award or getting some opportunity that's bigger than what we've already won and opportunities that we've had isn't gonna make us any happier. It's, you might be able to get into a slightly cooler party, but it's still just a bunch of people who are trying to justify their own existence and when she start kind of seeing through that and realizing that all these people are just trying to put on a front to appear a certain way. I'm much less concerned about those people, and much more concerned about the people who watch what we do and listen to what we do and like how, what we do can be a service to them, right? So then I'm like, okay, well, how many more years do I have of like good service? Where I can actually, I like that. You know? So now that I don't wanna like, I wanna do things that are fun because I actually think that doing things that are fun and like amusing myself is, helps me be better at the service. But ultimately, I think that that's where the, that's kind of what motivates me to think about it. It's like, what are we doing next and how is it going to, you know? Bring, bring joy, illuminate a subject, something like that, you know? Yeah. And as long as I have to do that, I kind of have to dress like I'm, I can't be a dork. It's just like I would probably be a dork if I could, if it would, but not being a dork enhances my ability to serve people in the context that we serve people. But that is honestly, I think about it in a very utilitarian way. It's just that's just how, that's, you know, that's how, yeah, I don't think that's it. I'm, I just think about, I mean, I like the service thing, but I also like to have fun. I'm not saying I don't like that fun. I like to have more fun and you do that. Oh, yeah, you do. I don't know, fun is just more fun for me than it is for you. Well, is that, I know, I think it's, so like, when I, the most fun I have, your fun is a little different than mine. Yeah, that's really fun. Because fun, all you're really saying when you say fun is that like, you are getting a reinforcing sort of experience that is pleasing to you as you, you, is pleasing to you, right? Yeah. So, but I would say communally, like I like eating more than you because eating is more pleasing to me than it is to you. For you to have more fun eating than I do. Right. So I have a lot of fun all the time, but I'm saying that like, I feel like when I'm in a flow and I am actually bringing something about that is in line with my potential, like how my experience, my life experience and my skills come together into something I'm passionate about that actually serves the greater community. That's the most fun that I have. When I'm doing that, it is, it is better to me than when I'm doing an activity that I like, but I still like to do activities, but it's not as good for, it's not as good. I don't have as good of a time, which is why you're not going to buy motorcycle. I'm not going to buy motorcycle because I have no desire to and my wife wouldn't let me. But you did buy a bow and arrow to cultivate your personal happiness. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I want to keep doing that kind of thing for sure. All right. I think that was, I don't think it's a crisis. I don't think I'm internally in a middle-life crisis. I think externally it might seem that way. We're taking it back. I'm saying it's fine. It's fine. If you skip your middle-life crisis, you're accelerating your debt. What happened? You missed out. Okay. Thank you for your questions. We didn't get to do as many today because we spent more time talking about it. We had so much fun though. You can call us when we hear your voice is the voice mail, 1-8-8. You didn't say all the eights. 1-8-8-8-8. 1-8-8-8. 1-8-8. 1-8-8. 1-8-8. I think I did say all the eights, but I heard three eights. There's three eights. Talk to you next week. Errat and Link, I work as a food carrier and you keep me company on the bike every day. It's nice to listen to familiar voices when I'm on my own, so thank you for all the earpiscates. Love you guys. Bye.