Are the times a changin'?

The end of the year approaches and it's often a time for change in politics. We've got a few big elections happening around the world. We've got local government election results coming in as we speak in Tasmania. And as always at this time of year, rumours of leadership change abound. Michael, what's going on in Tasmania this week? Well, the story of the week really is that Amy Hills, who was the CEO of the tourism industry council of Tasmania, let the cat out of the bag in relation to the premiere staying on as premiere. And she introduced the discussion in terms of this will be the last conversation we have with the premiere in his present role. It was said in a meeting hosted by hospitality Tasmania and through the TICT, a lot of people were in attendance and it's been reported back to me that no one has refuted Amy's introduction to say that this will be the last conversation that the premiere will be having in his present position as premiere. Therefore, breaking news, the premiere will resign. It won't be this year. It will probably be early next year. And he has given a commitment that he wants to stay on for the full term that he was elected for. Let's wait and see. Now, there is further rumours about this. That evidently, the premiere is fast-tracking all his pet projects to get some resolution before he resigns as premiere. And that some of the pet projects are being led by the Secretary of Deepak and not by any line minister. And that includes, well, I'm assuming this latest pet project is Wilkinson's point where he is going to squander so much land to a private developer he's going to commit the government to further development of the stadium out there. This is going to be another mess of the premier's making. The debt is going to increase. He's just another infrastructure disaster which goes along with the spirits and also the stadium. Nonetheless, he's fast-tracking yet to get it done before he resigns as premiere. There you go. Wow, that is big breaking news. All right, I've got two questions for you on this. Firstly, rumours about Jeremy Rockcliffe, resigning as premiere, have been flying around for a long time. I think he made the point himself that people have been talking about him resigning for 20 years. What do you think makes this different? Why is it different now? Well, I think that the fact that Amy Hill's said it publicly at a function that the premier was attending and no one has refused her claim, including the premier. And so, unless there is some pushback after this discussion we have now and I'm sure that mainstream media will be picking up on what we're saying that there's been no contrary position put from the government, from Amy, from anyone. And it is pretty well part of the most recent dialogue inside the government. So, yes, it could be a Furfie. It could be just a huge mistake. But why would she say it gratuitously? Well, I might have been mistaken to say it out loud, but she knows what's going on. Amy Hill's has been quite crushed to the lips. I have to say over the period of time. Yeah, okay. And I think it was pretty telling in the recent media conference when he was specifically asked the question of whether he would rule out retiring before the end of the year. And he said yes, but the qualification of it being before the end of the year was pretty telling, I think. It was a pretty silly question. I mean, he has two and a half years left to run in his term. So the end of the year is only two months away. There's a lot of time left in his term that he hasn't committed to. So yes, as of January 1st, he has kept that promise and is free to resign at leisure if he so wishes. Enjoy your Christmas. Yeah, interesting times. And my other question was in regards to these pet projects being brought forward. If he were planning to leave, what could actually be completed in this time frame? And I say this with a little bit of a wink because 13 years of liberal government not much has actually been done. What could he actually achieve in this short frame of time that would change his legacy in any way? Well, no, it's the way he views the world. I don't know all these pet projects, but the one that comes to mind when the room is about what he's trying to fast track. You can only lead you to Wilkinson's point because he seems so committed to doing this despite all the advice from everywhere not to do it. He is determined to push forward. The fact that he is really putting faith in his own agency, that is Department of Premium Cabinet, to lead the discussions with these projects. I don't know more, but I will find out before the end of the week. We'll wait and see, but that's the evidence that I think we can point to. Okay. And on the labor side of things, as far as leadership rumblings go, Josh Willie has walked back his 30% target. Well, he was asked about it in a press conference multiple times, whether he was still committed to that target and talked about other things instead. It didn't want to focus on that city. It was just committed to forming a labor government and pointed to the fact that one nation was now in play. There have been some questions asked about whether his leadership is under threat and he was asked whether he would stay on his leader if that target wasn't met by the end of the year. And he said yes. Do you think there is any actual efforts to unseat Josh's leader of the Labor Party? Well, I don't know fully what's going on in the PLP. Obviously, Shane Broad has indicated that he has a different approach to what Labor should be doing, but I don't think he's a serious threat to Josh. And if there was going to be any contender for the position of leader of the Labor Party, it would have to involve a member of parliament advocating a change in policy and particularly a change over the stadium, which is just this anchor dragging the Labor Party down in terms of nearly all the arguments they put forward. And if there's going to be a change of leader, they have to change that policy. That's all I say. Okay. Yeah, I certainly haven't heard anything to suggest that anyone's planning on mounting any serious challenges against Josh. And I don't think anyone is suggesting that he's doing a bad job. There's more disappointment in the party, I think, about some of those policy positions and there is about the leadership. At the federal level, fear headaches for Albo at the moment, continues to escalate despite best efforts, one of those things that global conditions make difficult to have much control over at the moment. And he's got a few other headaches going on but certainly no suggestion that his leadership is threatened. However, what does tend to change at this time of year or what is speculated about is the cabinet and where there are reshuffle is likely. Anything that you think might be coming up there? I can't see it. In a difficult time like this, it's a bit hard to justify any major changes to the Ministry or to Cabinet. And this is someone who wants to retire out of Parliament. I can see that would be the only trigger. Look, it's a particularly difficult time to govern. And there has been a reticence and I can understand the reticence. I don't know if I fully endorse it but I understand it. And that is that Trump through his determination with tariffs and with war in Iran, damaging the world economy and we're caught up in it. It just shows how difficult it is. The OECD is saying Australia's pretty much in keeping with the rest of the world in terms of inflation and the external inflationary pressures. He's a very difficult time to govern. And the cost of living is very obvious to those who are struggling. The prices of petrol, these all. You know, he's having an impact. It's impacting all parts of the economy. So now's not the time to really do too much dramatic change for the Cabinet, I wouldn't have thought. Though I know other people have aspiration. This speculation that Miles wants to be foreign minister. Would that happen to what happens to Penny Wong? Penny Wong is really well respected and is seen to be a great foreign minister. And I think she provides stability to the leadership team that's very useful. Her steady hand. Yeah, absolutely. At the same time, though we're at that midpoint in the term and Labour was in a similar position in its previous term at this point. And Albo has been appealing to his caucus to say that we can. What is it called it? Kicking with the wind in the five quarter. Last quarter. We've been here before and it worked out pretty well at the last election. So steady as she goes. But at the same time, getting that balance between stability, which is important, but also potentially refreshing renewal to get some ideas in there if there's any sense that some of the portfolios are potentially just getting a little bit stale. That's me speculating I'm not suggesting that's the case. But that might be some of the things that are getting thrown around if there is any question about chuffling some of those portfolios. Well, I think the other part of this is that the government's bringing down a media report on the budget. And I think that's going to have some clues about where Albo wants to go in terms of. where there might be fiscal measures that can reduce the impact on inflation. Labor has to get on top of the interest rates issue. That nauseating liberal, the member for Goldstein, Tim Wilson, is jumping on the grave of any interest rate increase. He just loves it, then loves the theatre, really, very annoying. But he knows that, and that's why he does it. But the overall issue is that we need to get interest rates down, and it's going to take a while, and I think the big issue is going to be how Labor presents the budget update in December. And that will be a major thing to work on. Well, it's extremely challenging to bring interest rates down while inflation keeps increasing. About a third of Australian households have a mortgage, and they're the people that keep getting hit every time inflation goes up, then the interest rates go up, and you talk about cost of living pressures, but for mortgage houses, multiple increases in interest rates this year, fit particularly hard on top of all the other increases in costs. And how long can they keep covering those extra hits every time? And so that's something that the government will be very conscious of, and obviously they don't have control over the changes in the interest rates. That sits with the reserve bank, but they would certainly be concerned. And as the reserve bank would be, I mean, as we've talked about before, it is pretty much the only lever that they can pull, but it hits one group of the population, especially hard. It's brutal. Yes, and the flip side of that is there's also a group of population, people who have paid off their homes and are relatively well off, who, if they have investments, actually benefit from the increase in interest rates. So you've got that group, which has greater spending capacity every time the interest rates go up. And then this other group, who are the ones who keep taking the hit over and over and over again, and politically that they end up being pretty damaging if it can't be turned around. And we saw it the last election after what was that 11 interest rate increases in a row? I'm not the last election. Sorry, sorry, when Labour was elected. And then that turnaround was certainly politically helpful. So they will be hoping that that can be arrested at some point soon. And I'm sure Trump's name is not used very politely in those conversations. No, not privately. No, all right, we'll talk a little bit about what's going on in the US later as well. But I just wanted to turn our attention briefly to the Tasmanian Council elections, the counter going on as we speak. We're recording this on Friday morning. And we know who all our mayors are going to be across the state, but the count continues for Councillors across the board. A few interesting results coming in there. And especially around that greater Hobart area, we've got Suhiki Returningle and Orki. But other than that, at Hobart, Clarence, Kingborough, Hugh and Andrew and Valley Councils, we've got new mayors. We have, I'm not surprised that Casey Farrell has one in the dormant valley. He was an extremely good candidate. It's for none that he's a member of Labor Party. He was a Labor Member of Parliament in the last parliament. And I'm sure he'll do a great job. He's very capable, very steady. There won't be too many shocks going on with him in charge. And having associated Orgwood a lot beside him, I'm various occasions that I think that he'll be a collaborative person to work with on council. I don't think he'll be very divisive. Abbie McKibben in the heroine is going to be really, really good. She's run for Labor Party 2 before. She ran us in independent and she won well. She's very intelligent, very capable, very engaged, understands the needs for businesses to thrive and do well. She is passionate about the area, had a long association with her. And I think she'll be a really good mayor. Joe Westwood, Joe worked for me when I was treasurer and was really, very, very sensible, steady and she ran a great campaign. I'm sure she'll do well. She campaigned on issues which resonated in terms of planning and getting things done and making sure the council is working for the people, not the council just working for the council, which I as a rate payer in that area have been very disappointed in some of the attitudes towards various issues where the council could be more helpful to individuals and they haven't been. And I'm sure Joe will be all over that and good on her. In Hobart, Charles Wally, Lord Man. Now I know Charles reasonably well and I hope he doesn't align with any particular factional group. As Lord Mayor, I hope he can bring people together to work together and try and find a broad consensus about the way forward given there are extensive range of views represented on that council. I don't think we want to see the old entrenched warfare going on. It's not about ideology or philosophy though. I think that gives a very clear guide on decision-making but there needs to be some practical applications about what we need to do in Hobart to make it a better city to live in and to do business in. Over on Clarence, very interesting. Brendan Blomley got defeated by Drew Jenner. People are dissaying who's Drew Jenner. Well, he's now the Mayor of Clarence and that's about all we know about him. There was an Andrew Jenner running at the same time and they did a deal that one would be known as Drew and the other would be known as Andrew. I don't know if it's happened before two people the same name. It was generally thought that the candidate known as Andrew would do better than the candidate known as Drew. The reverse has happened and I think Brendan was facing forces that he didn't realise that he was very unpopular and that's why all the preferences went in the majority against him and he's lost out. I don't know what his political future holds for him now because he got kicked out a liberal party. He's run as independent before and state parliament hasn't done any good and he was seen to be someone who's a divisive figure. I don't think women really warmed him very much. His attitude to women was a bit I think misogynistic and he's copped it. And then Sue Hickey, well steady hand, they obviously like it and she'll keep on putting in. Plenty of change happening and I think it is interesting to see a few of those people that you talked about there who are coming into the role of Mayor from Off Council. Most of them weren't sitting in the current Council but a few of them haven't been on Council before at all. Drew Jenner, Abby McKibben and Charles Wally was previously on the Serial Council but hasn't been on the Hobart Council previously. So really bringing in completely fresh blood with fresh eyes and fresh ideas onto these councils. Probably a fairly steep learning curve in terms of the governance side of things but the people of those council areas have voted for change. And so that's the responsibility that those people have to be the change that people are looking for I guess. Yeah well I think they have voted for change and Joe Westwood wasn't a member of the last council but she was deputy mayor when Dean Winter was mayor. That's right, Casey Farrell has been on-do and Valley Council before as well. And I think that those who are coming are fresh into these jobs. If they're half smart, they'll listen, they'll work with the councillors and they should understand meeting procedure and they will be given some good guidance by the bureaucracy that belongs to these councils about how to run a meeting and the protocol that goes with it. But chairing a meeting can be a very important job and you've got to be listening to what other people have got to say as chair to probably guide a discussion. And a lot of the work is done outside formal meetings and any event you're going to need to keep on understanding your fellow councillors to see what you can get done. Well wait and see what the final makeup of all the councils is that should be known in the next week or so. In the meantime lots of elections going on around the world and some important ones to watch. Yeah, I think. The Israeli election is really one of drawing most attention internationally. In fact is the government hasn't gotten no one has got 61 seats. And Benjamin, which is what's needed for a majority? Yeah. So he's the largest party and he has 53 seats. And then the rival block led by Eskankot is 13 short at 48. And there are 19 seats one by two Arab led parties decide the arithmetic and with both Jewish blocks have so far ruled out relying on the Arab led parties. Now it's very interesting that 20% of voters have an Arab background. So this is not a surprise in one sense. I would have thought that any rival block to Netanyahu would do a deal with the Arab led parties just to get rid of Netanyahu. And to refashion the nature of Israel in the world order because Israel is not helping itself win friends other than America. They haven't got many friends. Yeah, they've done enormous damage. And what they've done in Jerusalem is just unbelievable. We will wait and see as they start discussing who can form a government in the meantime. It says on a scare taker while they work it out. Obviously the president's going to have a major role in what happens there. If it could be a change of government in Israel, that can affect how America reacts. It can affect the war in Iran. It can do a whole range of different things. And I think it'd be a seismic shift if there could be a change in government in Israel, only hope. that the 19 seats that are up for the grabs go with the block who are opposing Netanyahu. He took a big hit by the way. He had 68 seats in the last parliament and he's now down to 53. When you're talking about a change of government bringing a seismic shift, I just wanted to make the point that the opposition block, it's not a pro-Palestine block by any means. No, well, you're quite right to point that out. I guess the way I think about these things is that step by step. Yes, in terms of attitude to Palestine, there is not a huge difference, but there is a slightly different approach to the war effort and that get rid of Netanyahu first, reposition and see what you can do incrementally in your relationship with us around you. This is not serving Israel's purpose to have his war and the two-state solution needs to be brought into focus. That's what I'm saying. It could be seismic in terms of changing the relationship between Israel and the US, the war in Iran. There's a lot of knock-on effects in terms of what could happen here with different people doing different things and taking out a slightly different more moderate attitude. Yeah, absolutely. Netanyahu is particularly hard line, obviously, and a more moderate approach to all of those relationships would be welcomed. I think the other thing about this is that Netanyahu is facing serious charges and the only thing stopping him facing the courts is the fact that he's in the position he is and so he will be doing everything he possibly can to hang on as leader because he'll keep you manager probably. West Midterms approach only a few days away now, so get the popcorn ready. Booking out my day, I'll be watching CNN, I think, is the best way of viewing the election on the fourth here. It's interesting. Obama hit the trail and went to Detroit and faced Raleigh and he was brilliant. He was so confident in his delivery. Mind you, he had a lot of fodder that he just set off in terms of Trump's stupidity and people now are turning on Trump. Trump was going to have a rally in Michigan today and he called it off because he wants to hit as many electricity as he can and the best way to do that is via media rather than rallies. He's traveling too much when journalists asked him if he was unwell. Trump responded in his normal, futuristic personal attack on the journalists from Reuters. The history here is there is always a trend against incumbent presidents, so the flow of preferences is going to be back to the Democrats. It pretty well assured of winning the House of Reps and they'll certainly be pushing very hard to get control of the Senate. If that happens, actually Nikki Sarva on the insiders on last Sunday said something which kind of resonated with me that it doesn't really make much difference about the election result because if Trump wins, he will be just as mad as he's always been and if he loses, he will be just as mad as he's always been. So hang on to your hats, whatever happens. It is unpredictable how he's going to respond in any event and if he loses, you'll certainly be using the protection of the Supreme Court to get some of his policies and the budgetary issues that he needs to fight this enane war. I think that's a good point. The Democrats, if they take control of both houses, I think look forward to being able to hold Trump to account a bit more and hobble some of his plans, but it will probably only serve to increase Trump's level of crazy and the lengths that he'll be prepared to go to to keep pushing his agenda. He made a comment at a rally in the last week or so urging people to vote for Republican candidates. He was saying when Trump's names on the ballot, they'll vote for Trump, but when it's not his name, they don't tie into it. So always wonder with him, what is he like behind closed doors? Does he believe these things that he says? He's wildly unpopular at the moment and that's a big part of the reason why the Republicans in trouble here, even Republican candidates are distancing themselves from him in their advertising and their rhetoric. Yeah, he's still out there maintaining that it's him personally that's super popular that everyone should be caching in on that and he's trying to make the most of that by holding these kinds of rallies, which are actually doing them more harm than good. So I wonder if he goes home at night and thinks, oh God, you know, everybody hates me or if he thinks the whole thing's a conspiracy and he's the beloved. He's a narcissist, right? He's a narcissist and a pathological liar. So a combination like that is totally delusional. Think he drinks his own bath water. I don't think he's different in private these publicly. Yeah, I don't think he says, oh, I'm going to lie about this. He says, I'm going to say this as though it was factually true and God knows what he's like private. He doesn't drink, you know, he drinks dark Coke. In fact, he's got a special buzzer on his desk where he orders. Yes, the Coke, the Coke buzzer. Yeah. Yeah, unbelievable. And when you're allied to that, he is incredibly stupid. He is not well read. He doesn't understand the dynamics of the world. He's upset the world order disturbed capitalism as we know it is diminished US in the eyes of the world. Unbelievable, be bad. It's going to take a long time to recover from him. And whatever happens, the Democrats will try and impeach him. I'm pretty sure. There's an interesting parallel here too, I think, because Americans kind of saw Trump as an anti-establishment figure. I'm unsure why because he's as wealthy and well-connected as anyone could be as a presidential candidate. I don't know why they saw him as the great savior of working Americans, but clearly we have seen who his real friends are and you pointed out last week that most of what he's been doing has been about making himself and his friends extremely wealthy while ordinary Americans go backwards. And that's clearly why he or the Republican Party is likely to be punished electorally. And I think it's interesting to compare that to our own politics here because do see a lot of parallels with Paul Enhancin and we have discussed some of this before in terms of very good at tapping into grievance and pointing out the reasons why people are unhappy and presenting herself as somebody who understands that and agrees with them, finding an easy target to blame for everybody's woes, immigrants, which is the same thing that Trump does. And it's interesting there as well that even people with whom that was popular and who supported some of those hard more hard line immigration tactics are also turning against him because they think the way that it's been handled has just been too brutal when ice agents are out there just killing Americans and rounding out people who are legally working and living in America and detaining them. When people see that reality, they think, oh, that isn't really what I wanted. And so I wonder with someone like Paul Enhancin in Australia, she never really presents a vision for what she wants the country to look like or what she would do in a positive way. It's all negative. These are the things I don't want. This is what I don't like. These are the people we should keep out, kick out. But what would she actually do to help people? I've never seen any evidence that Paul Enhancin actually cares about anybody else. When we talked last week, we were talking about Jackie Lamby and you pointed out that she's the real deal and she really does go into bat for her constituents and she really cares about people. You and I are unashamed members of the Labor Party because we believe that the values of the party and most of the politicians in that party have those same kind of values that they're there because they care about people because they genuinely want to do things to help others. And if you talk about policy, you will make it clear when a policy position would favor you or not and quite often will take the side of losing out in favor of a policy that you think is good for the country or the state or the broader public even if it means you personally might be financially impacted or not get a benefit from something and we've talked about that around housing, around short stay accommodation, around the changes to health insurance. I just can't imagine Paul Enhancin ever making a political decision that she would not personally benefit from and Donald Trump is the same. And so I think if her popularity was to translate into any kind of power, I would really be asking the question as a supporter of Paul Enhancin as to whose priorities you think she's going to take into account as a leader. If she listens to Gina Reinhardt, she's going to do what Gina Reinhardt wants. She's not going to do what ordinary Australians want. And I can't see many ways in which those two things are aligned, many ways in which what Gina Reinhardt wants will benefit struggling Australians. Yeah, it's very interesting Paul Enhancin. You know, she and Barnaby flew in to Hobart last week a month. I think AJ interviewed them at the airport and they said they're here to talk to business. talked to business. They had a fundraiser, a national fundraiser in Hobart, and a well-known restaurant. Now, I know this restaurant, and they can get 20 in there. I don't know what the ticket price was, but it was all business. Some of them flew in from Interstate. They were major players, and she is now attracting major attention of mainstream business. In terms of being well-funded, they were on a very, very strong campaign. And Generine Hart bank rolling them. In terms of Generine Hart, does she support the trade agreement with the EU or not? And if she does, then one nation will end up supporting it, and there will be a difference between one nation and the Libs, because the Libs are opposing it at the moment. Mind you, I think they will capitulate. The pressure coming on about that, but your point, what will Hansen do? Hansen will do whatever Generine Hart wants it to do. And Generine Hart is only interested in Generine Hart, and she is a perfect puppeteer for the perfect puppet, and that's Paul and Hansen. And that's the way it's going to be. And Hansen, in terms of material wealth, should be pretty well off by now, given where she's come from, and what she's done in politics. I think that if we go to draw a comparison between Trump and what's happening in Australia, Hansen is the closest thing to Trump. You're quite right. And she only do things that she thinks are in her interests, and Generine Hart's interests. But everyone can see what's happening in America, and what has happened to America under Trump. So surely that should come with a warning label that says, don't try this at home for us, right? Very good call. You already do some marketing. Do you know, do you think there's a future career in that? All right. Look, I'm available for campaign support. I might engage you to help. I do like going for you. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm the slogan to go with it. Yeah, yeah. We could never get through an episode without slinging a bit of a stick at each other. Could we? No, no, but you're very good at what to do, and you ought to be paid well for it. Beaking of being good at what you do, we have not a food critique for a while, and I feel like our large and loving audience is missing. Hearing about where you've been eating and what you've been eating, I mean, the last time we talked about this was you cooking dinner for your neighbours and getting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And getting five star reviews for your sample code. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I only got a four star review for my beef shanks. Did you? Oh, okay. Some work to be done. Yeah, yeah, not enough seasoning. But on Sunday, we're rained in Tasmania for 24 hours. I decided not because of the rain, but the obsessionist winery, which is a half hectare winery, which only produces Malbec wine. They had door sales. They don't know me do it. In fact, a door sale was a tent. Anyhow, drive up to Cranbrook, got up there, talked to the owners and had a great time, took a couple of friends there as well, bought some wine, and then I had an epin and other at this takeaway caravan. Now, don't know the name of the caravan. I should have taken a note of it. Anyhow, it was the best I've ever eaten. It was just sensational. It was the real deal. And that has been the highlight meal for me this week. You've got me off guard that it's the only thing that really comes to mind in terms of my culinary experiences of late. But there are going to be future developments in this field that I might have some involvement been later on. Then I have to declare conflict of interest and do all sorts of things, which I'm happy to do. But it's pretty exciting what can happen in Tasmania, in the food scene and wine scene. Let me just say again, obsessionist Malbec. I'm a great fan, obviously. And I'm normally kind of a Shirae's Cabernace of a New White Heavy Duty Red Wine. Slowly moving off him. Absolute good Pinot Noir is pretty good. And Absolute Gorge Shardonnay is also very good. Tom Grape fan, the East Coast wines are really coming into their own with some very good wine makers and some very good wineries. And I think that if you want to get a good red, go and get obsessionist Malbec. That's only half a hectare of grape. The 2000 bottles a year. Fantastic. That's a useful tip for me, Michael, because my house is being cleared out of red wine thanks to my husband who has a particular fondness for it. And I made a Bolognaise last night and was hunting around for some red wine. And all I could find was some tiny little bottle of something in the cupboard. And I double checked with him whether it was special. And he said, I think you found that in your mother's house. So I cleared it out of Mum and Dad's place last year when I was clearing their house out anyway. I opened it and I used it, but I think it was mostly red vinegar. So the Bolognaise was delicious nonetheless. You should tip good wine into good food. If you tip bad wine into good food, it'll end up being bad food. So it was fine. I smelt it. I'm like, that smells right. It's all good. I was apparently incorrect in my assessment. Now I did just want to jump in because I did put you on the spot a little and you did rate those delicious empanadas that you had. I would hate for you to do that without actually crediting the food truck. So I've done a quick Google while we were talking. I think we're talking about Salsa Soul Latin street food who well done them. Park their truck at Obsessionist wines. So yeah. Thank you very much for that. Well, I hope people take note of that on the East Coast. I don't know if the truck ever gets down in South of Hobart, but if it does, I'm there. Well, they should look out for a huge increase in crowds this weekend following this resounding endorsement. Well, if they've got a website, we need to track them and find it where they are. Are you going to follow them around to get those empanadas? Stalking a food truck has never really been something I've been inclined to do, but I don't know what I'm doing this weekend. There's a first time for everything. The last weekend I drive, yeah, like it's over to our drive. It rained the whole way up. Unfortunately, it stopped when we got to the winery. I got to the winery and then got back in the car and drove back and it started raining again. It rained all the way back. It was just a not a very nice way to drive. I like driving, as you know, but it was the rain on that road is not the best. The things you will do for a decent bottle of wine and a tasty pastry, hey? Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll mention a couple of other winery. It went to Milton Mine as well. It's a well-established one and they have a very good rosé, so I bought some of that. Then there was another winery, little one, it just started, called Rooster and Robin. They have just started their winery. It's great and nice wines. They're very nice people. We have to support these little wineries. They're just so good. The people in them are so passionate about what they do. I think Rooster and Robin used to run a plumbing business. I've sold that and invested in this exercise and a very nice people. Great location. I'm sure they'll do well. I've got some of their wine as well. Definitely leaving the wine expertise to you, you know, from many lunches and dinners with me. My drink choices are dubious. I forgot. It was a vodka and coke as something. No, nothing so crude. Pink gin, pink gin. Pink gin, yeah, pink gin. Hot chocolate when you go to get your coffee. Yeah, yeah. Embarrass you by asking for marshmallows and then they want to know if it needs to be only lukewarm for the child that you're purchasing it for. I did my elbow in to find out how it is. Look, we all have our quirks. Yeah, yes, you do. Well, I think we're about done. Yeah, good. Well, until next week. By next week, we'll have seen an outcome of the US midterms. Yeah, yeah. We will. And the other thing is just to get heads up. The order to general has called out the GBEs and state owned companies. It's really they are now a net drain on the government. And so this is a major scandal. Some are suggesting we want to sell them all. That's Greg Barnes's answer, which I push back on. And so I think we might be able to get into a bit more detail about that as we go forward. Sounds good. Thank you for introducing an entirely new topic. Just as I was saying goodbye to you. Heads up. Heads up. Sorry. No, it's a good heads up. Right. But we have to remember to follow up on it. We can't dangle these juicy tidbits for people and then forget to talk about them. Not a problem. All right. Well, that's your homework for next week. Not a problem. Thank you. Okay. Stay busy. chance of not being busy. I know. See you later. Bye.