Are Arsenal mistreating Martinelli? Plus, Man Utd mauled by the Tigers

Outspoken with White and Jordan. Hard-edged, hard-nosed, hard-to-beat. Where are you coming from in this one? You're 100% essential down there. Jim White and Simon Jordan. You let this girl control. From the World's Biggest Sports Radio Station, talk sport. Whole city made a sensational return to the Premier League after a nine-year absence by shocking Manchester United. Club owner Atun Ilykali joins us to share his ambitious vision for what lies ahead. Also, Kudali Watkins be engineering an exit from Aston Villa after manager Juni Emery refused to rule it out. Plus Ian Wright argues that Arsenal need to show Gabrielle Martin Ellie more respect questioning the club's management of the wing-out. Former teammate Martin Keon offers his take on the situation. This is Outspoken. I've some games I guess that you sound like. Mm-hmm. You cast a little. What a match. What an atmosphere. But I popped it on Twitter. What have tributed to Kevin Keegan? I'm glad you said that. Because it was amazing to see the reaction to Kevin Keegan, the emotion, having worked with him and not had a chance yet to talk about him. I simply came into the game, Jim, because of Kevin Keegan. He was my idol. And that was difficult. I actually got that out of the way when I first worked with him to say, "Let's get this out the way." And I just found it real people, person, fantastic to work for. And the outpouring of emotion, yes. It was unbelievable how the football and gods have come up with Newcastle Liverpool first game of the season. The Kevin Keegan Derby, in a way that we can then show what he meant to us. Quite remarkable, man. I mean, he was very friendly with some of my very close friends in Spain. And I got to meet him on a couple of occasions. It was a possibility that he was going to do an up front that we tried to orchestrate, but it didn't work out. Because he wanted to keep himself out of the public domain, not prior to the illness that was called, that obviously he ended up passing away from. But I remember growing up, like Martin does, I'm a little bit younger than Martin, but at the time, Superstars was on television. He was part of that. I'm off his bike, didn't I? He came off his bike. He was the one that took the move to Hamburg. He then comes back to Southampton, who comes back to Southampton. You know, a superstar. He kept that quiet. Absolutely. And he's, you know, the England captain, he wasn't fit but ultimately him and Brooking and whoever else there went to that World Cup in Spain. And he was an icon. And then you saw it. And you've seen now, we've seen so much footage. He was so influential and full of them. And they're a cent. And of course, them mentions the city. And all the roles. And now, you know, we can talk about what the shortcomings were in England and Southampton. But that's not where this person should be seated in. Yeah. A unique character. And that team. And now you're seeing all the tributes that come out. And I watching the documentary last night on Sky. And John Behrist, which spoke so very well about him. And the experiences they had them. And Les Verde and Emma's talking about it. And Jowler and all the players that they had there. So yeah, as Martin says. Yeah. A only football really can do that. It's football has a very sentimental heart times. Yeah. Yeah. It was as if he, you know one of these guys who lived in the moment. He had an ability to stop time in that moment and say, we'd be chatting about stories. And he'd say, one day, guys, we'll be talking about this. Think about it. Enjoy today because it won't be here forever. He just seemed, he went in and did jobs, didn't he? Wherever he went, it was really impactful. Completely turned it around. I mean, when he went to Newcastle, he was saying there's only one set of fans that could be better than Liverpool's. And it might be Newcastle's. And you saw that yesterday. Right. The atmosphere was quite. It's a good point, Martin. They all came together yesterday. Simon, it's in James' park. Two brilliant sets of supporters. And the boy that they applaud again. Jim, you know, later in this topic, we're talking about, you know, ESAC and what they call him now, the fans. Look, Kevin Keegan went to those two great clubs. Yeah, why can't you play for two great clubs and get the respect from the fans? I know. It was the way he left Newcastle. I know. I know that. I know that. But we go too far. Alexander Arnold, we've got all these situations. You can come from a different generation and a different perspective. And the perspective of Kevin Keegan was very different because he came across as somebody that people could relate to. He didn't elevate himself above. No, I get it. And so he had an every man feel about him with a superstar touch. And so that's a different genre. And we've now got a player that have a very different outlook, a very different disposition, a very different. The media would have been just as hard. Yeah, but he still. It was painful for those Liverpool fans when he decided to upstick some gold and he took it to Hamburg. Yeah. They can't help this. We can't help this came in. But in the end, they put that to one side when he went. When he returned there, they would treat him like a god, you know? Yeah. What we do know is over the weekend and the Premier League nine clubs out of 20 began with somebody new in the dugout. Can you believe it? The most new managers on any opening weekend since 1946-47. And no, I don't remember that season. But is it promising Simon? Is it promising to live up to the billing of the most unpredictable season yet? I mean, who knows how long any of these managers will last? I think every season has its own. Now it's different at the beginning. Every season has an element of unpredictability about it. Every season has its own challenges and foibles and nuances and context. I mean, obviously a lot of these are not managers that have been fired. These are managers that have gone and chosen to depart. So you've got empires being rebuilt and managed to city. Opportunities being created at Chelsea. New regimes at Liverpool. Yeah. And Newcastle. And so on and so forth. And you've obviously got big articles being written over the newspapers about what's going to happen with the ownership of Newcastle and what that didn't and hasn't done. So of course, I think it's a. One thing that the Premier League does is give you intrigue and gives you controversies and gives you talking points that aren't just always about what's on the field. Because a lot of what we talk about is off the field activity because the sport is so big now. And there's a space, a big space above. So I think it does. I mean, the one thing I don't really care if people bristle about the narrative, if they think it's a narrative, I still maintain that the team that's in the best position to defend its champ Premier League for some time is Arsenal. Yeah. Their stability, they've got, they've improved, they've got the monkey off their back. So whether people like the terminologies there to lose, I don't really care. But as a media man. I don't think you were wrong when you said that last week. No, no, no. Right. But as a media man, and you know, you say you don't like sensationalism, but I would have thought that you just said, well, who's going to survive that? Because we've got like 60% of the Premier League now new managers. We've got two managers who will have their first full season potentially deserving and character. They'll be like, okay, who's going to be the first casual tear out this lot? Because I think this is the most unpredictable Premier League I've ever seen because of the instability that we have at the football clubs. No one here, I mean, I'm looking across the board and people are going to have to wake up in the next two at your old club, Simon Palace, need to do something quickly because, you know, it's under investment. You might say it's good trading, getting money in, but when does it become under investment? They've got to wake up here and there's a few clubs would have looked at that first match and thought, we're in a little bit of trouble here. We need to do something. Well, you can, it looks like less time last year. What was the first game of the season? Establi got pumped for one by Newcastle. How'd that work out for Estonville and Newcastle? Yeah, but they're successively letting top players go to the extent where Oli Walkins is now saying, you know what, I don't want to be here anymore. Well, the interesting thing is it's a terminology that you use because letting people go as opposed to people having the ability to get out of contracts because option fees are there and because release clauses are there not the same thing. And also going to the governance that has been orchestrated by clubs like yours, which puts clubs like Estonville and Newcastle. No, they don't set the rules, Simon. They work within the constraints. It's well established. Everyone knows this. All the elite clubs in Europe, all the elite clubs in the Real Madrid, all these guys, these are the architects behind. Later in the program, we'll find a solution to that. And you put that brain of yours to find that solution so that we can have clubs. James, we can have a task as being set by me. No, yeah. Well, why not? Because we need to find some way that some balloon payments, some of these clubs. We have to start the premise. The state is, quote, doesn't it? The only way you acknowledge something that's wrong by starting with a premise, acknowledging that it is wrong. And people are beginning to do it now. People are beginning to pull back the veneer and say, well, hang on a second. This can't be right. Why can't we join the club that Arsenal and Liverpool and mention I did a man city and Tottenham are in. And Chelsea are in. Why can't we join that club? Particularly when you've got Otis. I can't join that club, it's because you're not allowed to. No, now that people are beginning to accept that. We're not allowed to because of the rules that have been set. Because of the rules that have been set. So clubs are working with the constraints. When you look at rules, the most important thing to do is work out why they're there and who they've come from. And then you can work out what their motivations are. And the reasons why these rules are there is because the big 20 or 30 clubs in Europe are already establishing a position that don't want other people coming to take their opportunities. I've gotten together and influenced the thinking. Yesterday, partner self in front of Newcastle against Liverpool and laptop loved every moment. No doubt the whole of the country did. And because those who are lucky enough to be there witnessed an incredible atmosphere. And of course, in no small part due to the tribute. Which was wonderful by both sets of fans to Kevin Keegan, as we mentioned previously. The big thing about Newcastle is Eddie has gone. Eddie how has gone. In comes a new fellow. But can Newcastle Martin point to some positivity in the recent cloud of discontent? And it has been a recent cloud of discontent. Has it not? Newcastle fans, not that sure in which direction the club is going to go? Do you know what I thought yesterday? Obviously it was a fantastic tribute. First of all, for Kevin Keegan, then the teams who to feed off that gym. But this is a counter-attacking side. And it was interesting to see a Langer. I think that might have been his first goal for Newcastle, Jim. The way that he broke. That's more typical how he played for Forest when he was at Forest. So maybe you're going to see a bit more of that where Newcastle don't have quite as much possession. But certainly they're front three. I've got a lot of pace. And there's kind of an expectation at Newcastle. Built off the Eddie Howe years. It's not a story. a stronger group. They're going to have to build again. And that's it. We talked about this already. That's such a shame for the football club that they've lost such an incredible midfield that they had a knee sack of course of that. They've lost also. But they came back fighting yesterday. And I thought there's a lot of hope. I thought Lewis Miler in midfield was outstanding. Looks like he's going to be a decent, I feel sorry for hall giving the penalty. I thought it was a penalty. Yeah, right at the death. They look strong in all departments. You're out of we start. But but but everybody on the pitch is that's it. Jim, they don't have the depth now. Yeah. And this is where they're going to have to buy players between now and the well, we've only got a week or so left with the transfer window. But they're going to have to spend. But I don't like the way that they this is a club very well for club gym and this is the argument now. It has, but it can't spend the necessary funds that it needs to to challenge for a Premier League trophy, Jim. So I mean, look at looking at Liverpool from slot to LA, all that. How different were they? Well, they mean the central theme is always about the people that don't perform rather than people that did perform on the day. I mean, look, first games of the season are absolutely meaningless because if you get you get a promoted side on the first game of the season playing at home, you get a completely different set of circumstances than when you play them three months later. Playing on the first game of the season with the sun shining down on teams with reasons to be motivated. You've not got all the adversity of Champions of Premier League football. So put aside what the champ hold it with more due respect to how delightful it is for them to beat Mayonite and put aside what Newcastle were able to achieve in that performance and where Liverpool might be. You've got a new manager in the door. It's very early days. They're rebuilding a team to some extent because some of the component parts have gone now to it. The focus will be on ESSEC. If you don't get a ball to ESSEC, what can he do? If you don't get, we talk about how many touches he has. Now, we can look at his movement, we can look at the challenges, we can look at Neville's comments about how much he costs and how much the other kid costs at Liverpool and what they are and aren't doing. But the manager took some, when he went into Bournemouth, there was the sat Gary O'Neill, this guy. And everybody went, "Ooh, that's a strange move." And when Bournemouth started underneath him, the first four or five games, it looked like they'd picked a wrong one. And then all of a sudden, he took off. And the players got what he wanted. And Liverpool will be the same. They're 27 shots on goal yesterday. Liverpool, despite the fact that we focus on what they haven't done, it is the first game of the season. There's nothing to be read into it. Let's, even positively or negatively. Let's talk about Alexander Isac, the rat, as christened by the Tune fan yesterday. I wonder what kind of length of time Liverpool fans will be prepared to wait for until this fellow really begins to show what he can do in a Liverpool shirt, as he did in a new castle shirt. And so many new castle fans, because of the way that he left the club, rounded on Isac yesterday. And boy, did they let him have it? Michael O'Neill was in breakfast this morning. And this was him on Isac. I had plenty of injuries in my career, so I know how hard it is to get back. And you do need a bit of time. And we've given him everybody's given him time and understood that. But then he sort of finished the season. Then he's gone to the World Cup. And now he's had a preseason. You just think, okay, now we're starting to run out of excuse as we need to start seeing the real Isac. And we know how good he is. I mean, wow, we saw him put for new castle. I mean, he's absolute class. But we haven't seen it for Liverpool just yet. And I think, you know, questions will come now. As I say, always given the benefit of the doubt in the past with Liverpool. But at the start of this season, now we're expecting an Liverpool absolutely need him. They've lost Salah, Eckerti K's out. There's not that many options in attacking areas. They absolutely need him to be on top form. Yesterday, he was far from it. I thought it was a yard off. And that's worrying. How long will it be, Mark, before the old Isac? Can we discover himself? Well, I think he's got the support base around him. He needs to stay fit. Of course, I've got to manage him. There's obviously an injury issue with him, getting him absolutely right. I do see him coming through Jim. The thing he has with Friday and all defenders is pace. He's absolutely rapid. And maybe that was the worst possible game for him, playing away at Newcastle first game of the season. He'll be off from running. Don't worry. They'll pay for us next. Another team that has a newness with Glasgow going in there, didn't lost at the weekend. I just, I think he'll be able to exploit defenders as this thing unfolds. And I do feel very older is an outstanding manager. Nine games before he got a win at Bournemouth, by the way. He's slow to make his work work. They didn't press in the way he wants. He's going to have to work harder. I don't know if he's fit enough. Necessary to play the way the manager wants to. But that'll come from after the games. Were you both surprised that when penalty Liverpool was given right at the death? It was the boys lie. But were you both surprised there wasn't ESAC who stepped up? I think they did the right thing, Jim. I think it would have been, you know, the atmosphere could just imagine if ESAC steps up to take that ball. Every time I touch the ball. But look, it's the boys lie. I mean, what about that for a penalty and a man who's really in the zone and wants to win? Didn't even hear the whistle go. He just banged us a goal. I mean, that's the most bad thing. But was that not the moment for ESAC to give it back? No, that was the moment for his colleague to step up for him in that moment. I don't know who is the penalty to take for Liverpool. Well, ESAC takes some, doesn't he? So ESAC possibly should have taken it, but if he'd have had a good game, maybe they would have asked him to take it. And maybe there was an element of insulation from the circumstances. But I mean, I think that's relatively ridiculous, what Michael said. He's had one game this season. Yes, okay. He's been injured from the majority of last season, started poorly because of his own behaviour, because of Newcastle's failure to manage a situation better and Liverpool's inability to come to the table and do a deal properly, it all became a situation that drew it out. When he behaved poorly, he then had a collision injury, so he's injured himself. He's now fit. He's fit. So he's had one game, one game. We can't judge him. When we get to the end of August, and he's played three or four games, and he stung the place out, then we can start saying what Michael said, which is, oh, I'm on a second. Of course, he's got to start performing, but he's been injured. So he's been injured. So we've got no reference point. We've got nothing to really say about what he did at Liverpool, because he had no real run in the team. And if Liverpool aren't going to play in a way that suits the player that they've bought, which is, get the ball to him, then I'm not sure, I'm not entirely sure what you're supposed to do. What you're supposed to do, put the ball up in the edge of his 18-yard box and run there then for the pitch, and someone's going to be happy with that. He's not, he's not, you're not human-song, is he? He's a cent of forward. And so with, with due respect to it, I look at it and say, yeah, is he, the question for me is big game players, big players would have embraced that opportunity yesterday and gone back to Newcastle and wanted to prove a point. So is he a big, big game player? Is he a big, big club player? I think we saw that. No, no, no, we saw that in Newcastle. Should you not have divided the ball? Big games, is he been at Newcastle? Well, one big club. Okay, I take you back to the semi-final, Arsenal League Cup. You can say, look, it's the first thing they've won in 52 years or whatever it was at the time. And ESAC was listening, he was at boi-ing point. He was, he was ruthless. When you play for Liverpool, you're expected to win, you're expected to be a top player. When you're at Newcastle, people anticipate and hope and will you to be such. And they expect their club to do it. When you ever won anything for 70 years, there's a different feeling that we're now contradicting yourself, because you said, we need to be giving him time. We need to be patient. And I'm convinced that he will be a success. I'm throwing all arguments into the equation. I'm throwing all parts of it because it's multifaceted. It's not one or the other. It's not a case of judging with one performance, but also if you're a big player, a really top top player, you've played with them, you know what they look like, you know what they think. They give you, top players gives you consistency. And that's probably lacking from me. It's an interesting watch, but I think he's going to be a big force in the Premier League this season. Aston Villa faced a nightmare start to the season. We're 4-0 down at the AMX to Brighton inside 31 minutes. And that ended up to be the final score. It was 4-0 to Brighton, but it was a dreadful afternoon, not just for Villa, but for the traveling supporters who went down to the South Coast. You and I, Emory refused to answer the question of whether or not Watkins had made himself unavailable for this one. This was Unii Emory, pre-match, speaking to Sky Sports. The porters will see there's no Ollie Watkins in the squad. What can you tell them about that? Is that the end of his time here? Silence. Does that maybe suggest something? No, no. We have a place we are today here. It's okay. We're going to be speaking about. So 90 minutes later, and 4-0 to Brighton, Unii Emory again was in front of the Sky Sports cameras. And he was asked whether or not the decisions for Watkins not featuring not playing was his or the players. And these questions for him. So can you call him and make a question to him? So that confirms it was not your decision. It was his decision. Ask him. Is it disappointing? I only can answer it by silence. So there we go. Sammy, what's your reading of it? No idea. I have no idea why Ollie Watkins isn't playing because the manager didn't tell us, and he doesn't want to give the media any opportunity to build out a narrative. So he'll let them make it up for themselves. So he doesn't want to comment on it. Now whether that's right or wrong, probably the more sensible thing. I don't know why it only Watkins doesn't strike me as that sort of player. It doesn't strike me as sort of player that will behave in a manner which is unprofessional and unbecoming of a professional footballer that has a responsibility to honor his obligations. I don't know the mechanics. We're seeing Saturday clubs offer money for a player that Aston Villa have every right to ask for a greater valuation of. It's their player. They can ask for ever valuation they want under no obligation to sell him. Unless they've had an agreement with him. You know, I would like to think that a player that's come up the way that he has through Exeter Interprint Food, that's. player Aston Villa, always been a credit to himself, wouldn't down tools. I don't know what I think of managers, playing hide and seek with the media in that respect. I understand why they do it because he wanted to talk initially about the players that he selected because what is the purpose of talking about a player that's not selected, that's no benefit to anybody besides headlines. It doesn't help his team win a football match, it doesn't help the players that are on the field, and his job is to try and create an outcome. The media's job is to try and create content, so he didn't want to give them that. Obviously it's a newsline before the game. He's bigger than me, but how he responds to it is his prerogative. Yeah, if it was Unite Emery's decision to not have a mini's team, he probably would have said that. Maybe, but I think it's besides the fact that it's a story that the media wants to have, it's relatively incidental to Unite Emery's world and what he's trying to create for an outcome of a football match. There's nothing in it for him. There's no gaining him for him to be able to say to the media, or the thing is this little sod down tools. There's nothing in it for him to do that. There's lots in it for the media because it'll be all over the back pages and newspapers about another football about having a certain way. This is obviously what we've talked a lot about. It's a good light on it. We've talked a lot about financial phenomena, a number of occasions. Yeah, I agree with that, and I agree with that. It's never a good look though when it looks like you're not wanting to play for your football club, but obviously there's circumstances that surround all of this, and it's the financial fair player, and it's becoming a theme this morning, but look, I've suggested, I've suggested that that asked him to play. Just one second, listen, just for a second listen, right? So we're looking at a situation where the manager has traded very well for us and Villa, right? Successively, he's had to lose top players, Jim. So Gerrana's gone, Losty Arby, they lost Louise, Dolos Louise, I mean, Phil, these are huge amounts of money, okay? You're in that dressing room, and successively, you're seeing player after player leave that dressing room. Now, they try to create competition for Oli Watkins and made him feel a little bit maybe that he's not quite the number one striker. Maybe that's just maybe Jim, right? Now, the clubs came calling for him in the past. They blocked deals. He wants to go. He wants to because he's seen what's going out the door, but us and Villa are having to trade because we find themselves in this position of financial player play, and we're talking about turnover, expenditure on wages to turnover, and that's similar, push that to the boundaries, and then they have to sell big every summer. Do you think he's in the Villa project? He is 100% losing faith in that. Morgan Rogers, go on, so we're going to tell him that, go on. Of course he is, Jim, because look, I thought I was having to work with your half art way of justifying a player and not playing for his club. Is that what you're doing? No, it's not half art. I am basically saying that Oli Watkins has a right. He blocked a move, what moves to the end? Well, you might be questioning the ambition. You might be questioning just for a second. Just let him, I'm building an argument. He might just be questioning the ambition of the football club because he's seeing all these players leave. I do not. It's by refusing to play. Well, because he's, well, okay, I might as well take the exit door myself. Make me one of those players, then that sorts you out for financial fair play, because you're letting all manner of players leave, but you're not letting me go on to further my career. That might be the situation. Okay, so what's that? Just to the case. Did you take that? No, but did you take that as one of that, that could be the possibility somewhere that a player has the right to dictate to his employers that he doesn't like the club club's choice. So you used a couple of it. Conses gone, hasn't he? Tilements is gone. Morgan Rogers is gone. They had, they had, they all had release clauses and all those release clauses from my understanding of a myth. But nonetheless, it's devastating for the players that remain, isn't it? So what? Do you just, I've just, there's a matter of this circumstantial that all these players are leaving. He wants to go as well. But I, but I don't condone you should be, I was, he should play. You're trying to give us a reason here. I am, and I am, but you're not saying that he's doing that. I winning trophies. You're not just defying him. If he has a sign, I'm just saying to that might, that might well be the possibility. They've won the Europa League. They're back in the Champions League. You lose the first game in season four now. That is not meaningless. That's a huge blow to what they're looking to achieve. I think Simon's point, Martin is, it's not within his gift to see if indeed he has. No, that's where he's wrong. Boss, that's where he's wrong. That's where he's wrong. And the manager just come out and say it. If I'm now there there today, I'm saying, well, you should just say you had the microphone. You should have said I didn't want to play if that's what you felt. 100% engagement outspoken with white and Jordan. Hello, listener. Sam out of place here. 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Maybe the new boys come to you by three goals to Neil and maybe Christos Solis is one that was going to catch the eye this season, one of the news signings. How good was he, do you think, on Friday night, how good might he get? Solis. Yeah, exceptional. I think it's good a debut, as I've seen from a wide player from, I mean, I might have to go back as far as Freddie Lumbergan. He came off the bench in a three-nil victory against Manchester United. I said that on the night. This kid is like, you know, his decision-making gym. Excellent the way he was working on that left-hand side by colour fury already, dovetailing. It's worked really worked quickly very well. I think he's exceeded expectations. And it's almost as if they've scoured Europe to find the equivalent of Trossard, that same sort of intelligence. This one's maybe a bit quicker, this lads bit quicker. And he's a major upgrade on where he was. He was at Norwich, of course, before. Yeah, street chalice. Come about, isn't it? It's something of a secutious root. Exactly. And he certainly performed a lot better than he did the last time he was at, he would have been at the Emirates. But all of that's given him that Premier League experience as well, I think, to get off to a good start. So he looks as if he's in for a good season in the colours of Arsenal. Ian Wright says Gabriel Martinelli deserves quotes more respect from Arsenal, and has criticised the way the club are handling his potential exit. Didn't feature in the community shield, Martin elli didn't feature against Coventry. Arsenal deny that Martinelli is being frozen out and say his absence reflects their strength and depth right now. But Ian Wright, Martin, so I mean, has gone pretty strong in this. He says, the way Martinelli is being treated at the moment, it really makes me feel uncomfortable. I know they might want them out, and a lot of people might say, yeah, it's time for them to move on. But there's ways of doing that. And it should suit him as well how he wants to leave. Ian Wright says, not being involved in the squad, not being spoken to, he doesn't know what's going on. And yes, I know this. He doesn't know what's happening. He's done enough with this squad to be treated with a little bit more respect than he's being treated with at the moment. Ian Wright's perspective of its time, and what do you make of that? Because I don't think I don't imagine it's particularly informed. Unless he's across the exact details of Arsenal's behaviour, the player's perspective, which he may well be, and he's indicating it appears that he's well aware of the player's perspective. Then he'd be better served to perhaps keep his own council because I'm not entirely sure what it's got to do with him. And I'm not entirely sure why he would think that Arsenal and Mekala Teta aren't capable of managing their players in an appropriate fashion. So I don't know what expertise he has in this, and his varied career of football administration that gives him the credence, besides the fact that people like Ian Wright, and they take him at face value, I know him, so I have a different view of him. But the bottom line is is that I think his opinion is rather uninformed and rather biased and rather one-dimensional, because I don't think it's any indication that Arsenal and Martin can speak to it too, because obviously he's been involved with this football club, don't conduct themselves properly and don't conduct themselves appropriately. And what he's indicating that this football club that's considered to be one of the statesmen of English football aren't doing so. And I think that's a rather strong and allegation, and I think he should wind his neck in a little bit. But maybe he thinks he's in the position because of his new contract as guy, but people are going to hang on his every word. I think tough decisions have to be made. I mean, I have a lot of affection for Martin Ely as well. Do you feel he's being treated with a right amount of respect here? Well, he's got one year left on his contract, and you know, if the club wants to sort of push the browser, I don't know if he's going to stay there or go, but you know, I don't know if he knows inside information. I don't know if that's highly unlikely. I mean, Artette communicates with his players better than anyone I've ever known. You know, it's like it's continuous. So maybe that's just in just getting a bit emotional on the night and maybe doesn't know that answer to that. I wouldn't question in. I think he, you know, we all love these Arsenal players because they did something that no one's done for 22 years. It's just overstepping that boundary of how you how you then behave. Let's hope they find a solution. What do you mean by that? Do you think he enraged overstep the boundary? Well, I think there's former players, I think we need to know. He has to definitely know that before he actually says that. So, you know, far bit for me to tell him how I'd behave. He's on the first night on Sky Day Jones, Mike. You push me sometimes to say things that I may be a I don't know if they're true or what I do yeah, yeah, you pushed the boundaries and maybe it was something that was set off There and it's come what it ends up on air, but effectively effectively, I think Look what it shows Ian. He's got to know some of the players. He has a strong relationship with him He loves the player as we will do is that type of lad and he can say that and he can say that but He can say that I'm a club to do I'm disappointed to see my tenies and other opportunities, but he can't be condemnatory of something he doesn't know No, but they do need to do they do need to sort this situation out in my thoughts Arsenal will do and it's Arsenal's gift because guess what Arsenal do they play the players wages So they've earned the privilege of even paying a transfer for a hit for him and whilst he's not playing for the football cover He'll be getting his 100,000 pounds a week or whatever it is and Arsenal will I suspect conduct This self appropriately and we have we got any evidence To suggest that Arsenal don't conduct themselves appropriately. So a one-dimensional biased rather I don't think he's be battering Ian right. I think Ian's he loves the players he's shown that Um, I think I think I think I think that's that battering him is not what we're doing we're holding you did it. No, no, no I'm holding him to account for the things that he said if you want to characterize what I've said that's up to you I'm holding him account before he said what he is spoken about is the football club that he Played for that you played for that I would think you think conducts itself appropriately. Yeah, I've got no history of conducting itself badly Replays absolutely is detailing a relationship with player in the way that it sees fit So I don't really see why Ian right that's not informed about how Arsenal are behaving He's only may well be and even you've questioned the validity of it. So maybe you're battering him It is informed from the players point of view It seems to me to be a very strong statement that he's prepared to make About the conduct of an elite football club now elite football club should be but it's based on his affection for the player And I think at the end of the day we shouldn't But you can have an affection for the player But you can't condemn the people that that are that are controlling this player's destiny It needs to be an accurate information. Yeah, absolutely. And Ian right says I know this he doesn't know what is happening No, but I believe they are communicating with the player. Yeah Um, it's a tough environment Arsenal is an elite environment Martin especially now because the champions well and it does ruthlessness always over sentiment. Yeah, but if you look at the successful environment, but Jim look at the bigger picture that answer that for me Well, yes, you're absolutely right because obviously the club is ambitious It wants to go to the next level and the players only got a year left on his contract So and and it's about being able to trade. I've talked about Unai Emery being able to trade Arsenal don't trade as much Um, it's important to build relationships with the players that you're selling maybe to other clubs and it is the ones you're buying Have Arsenal right now outgrown Martin Ellie No, I think he's still a place for him. I thought he turned the corner at the end of last season Solace and upgrade Well, he's fitted in remarkably well So they may be looking at that and they may be somebody else in the window that they need the money for from from Martin Ellie But Jim, they can't allow his contract to run out business has to be done and that everyone has to accept that Arsenal with respect It's his their asset and Unless their conduct is reprehensible that there's no evidence that there is Besides a biased perspective about what a player may not be getting I don't really understand who has the right to question it Mm-hmm because we know and and and Ian doing that should be should be questioned in the same way He should be held to the same standards that he's being he's trying to hold Arsenal to So when we're talking about is it so you must be uncomfortable that he's battering Arsenal Ian's battering Arsenal. He must be uncomfortable. That's his question. He's questioning obviously that there's no communication And I would say that this manager is we know that it's first time It's incredible atmosphere there and maybe alright is suggesting it that Martin Ellie has played his part. Let's face it In helping Arsenal get to where they've got Yes, he has it can't be through the bad times that can't be questioned him and also as well I can understand Ian having a great affection for the player But the decisions have to be made if you look at Ian like oh, yeah Well, where do you think you're coming hold on? He's a player a former player of the club is an EU and that's right But that's that's holding great respect within the media He's a former employee of the club and so with that in mind it doesn't give him lessons or lest you'd say what he wants So if I'm the ownership of Arsenal that he didn't play for right? I'd be sitting again Well, first and foremost you were afforded probably a lot of curses because you played for us once You're given a lot of privileges because you played for us once that doesn't mean that you get to step across the line And be disrespectful and disingenuous about what we're actually doing as a football club because what you're doing is your criticizing our behavior And you might not know our behavior and we don't have to account to you Ian But if you want to go on radio television and flat your gums about what we're doing There there might be a consequence for that could be said it could be argued as well So I mean, it is a legend of the club and he's entitled to see what he thinks and if he does think he's right he may reflect the Well then fear plays nothing wrong with second highest old time goes for a club But opinions are like back sides everybody's got one. It's really very easy to have an opinion But what's really wonderful in this world and very rare is informed opinions and when you hear them you stand back And go I listen to that guy so have we got an informed about its opinion because we can all cope with that If Ian Wright is privy to the fact that Arsenal are doing something And he's privy to both sides of the argument And he's put forward a rounded argument then we'd all say well that's insightful well done him for giving us A little bit of insight because balanced but it's not a balanced argument It's a one-dimensional argument with huge judgment in the middle of it And it should be held to the same standards that he's trying to hold Arsenal to And just to be clear you would think that Ian is off the mark here Martin in terms of Of course he's maybe just asking a motion to communicate and being pushed by I'd like for you to say today Jones pushed him just a little bit more and maternally to go And maternally will fully know Whether he is or isn't in the way he will know exactly his position at the football club. That's without doubt And if he does go it's where the heavy heart that he goes to him Because I he's a player that I've admired in the way that he's played But if they're going to the next level and he's got a year left for his contract You know people that are trained when the club's good and ready Because all he is at this this idea and it gets right up my nose in any other walk of life Employees or employees what is this special Dispensation that suddenly footballers get that are highly paid individuals that they should be given An extreme level of courtesy that no other industry afford anybody An employee is at the back and call of a business A business has responsibilities to manage and properly look after them properly And if the business is doing that by meeting the obligations which is paying the players wages And enable him to be able to train They have no other responsibilities besides that And this idea that we suddenly build these footballers up into something extremely important That they must be given a courtesy of being informed about everything Don't tell dusk it's a load of all cobblers which is by ex players and he himself It's actually hard to argue against why it's why he wasn't ultimately successful Because he needs to love his players and oh god If you were to love your player's Simon I'll take you all the way back to his past I love my play a little bit more a little bit more maybe you might have got better But if you actually knew what you were talking about which is a rarity No, I had to pull you up on that And you keep on going on because I have a relationship with my players Because I knew what characteristics and what standards I set for them And you don't know running out of money at the end of a 10-year period Well, I bankrolled a football club rather than you getting paid by one Yeah, what success I didn't didn't have But my ultimate, I don't personally know you don't know what you're talking about Simon was right Just saying facts Martin Ellie Well to listen to you, you didn't love the players, did you? I did, no Not basically But Simon Ellie, my players But Martin on this one, Simon is right Martin Ellie is an employee of the club Yes And you are saying He will be in the know Because Arsenal will You perceive him in the set No Yeah Hardest, hard-nosed, hard-to-beat Outspoken with white and Jordan The world's most dangerous downer Outspoken with white and Jordan From the world's biggest sports radio station, talk sport Of course Arsenal got it off the winning ways on Friday night And sat at a lunchtime The new boys hull were at home to Michael Carrick's Manchester United And they produced a home win Much against the odds hull kicked off their campaign By beating one of the big guns Manchester United went down 2-0 at hull A jai and mendi With the two first half goals And now we begin to scratch our heads Wanting what hull may go on to achieve This season is all about avoiding relegation hull's owner A tune in Lake Alley joins us live He's back in his native turkey This lunchtime A tune in good afternoon And you must have been thrilled with that result Of course, I mean, was I expecting? No Because at the end of the day we were facing a very big team of Premier League But in football everything can happen I always believe in the boys They gave us some beautiful wins before in the championship And especially in the semi-finals And the final of the Where we played in Wembley So at the end of the day Football is this That's why we love it When you have different elements On the table You can win I think we had the hard belief And concentration I think it was a little early for Manchester United And we did it I'm so happy I'm not surprised you're happy What about your manager? Sir Gai, your key revenge I mean He must have been thrilled And you must have been delighted for him as well Because you have a great degree of faith in him Do you not attune? Of course, when I brought him to England So many, so many comments about Everybody was saying that He has never been in the big leagues He doesn't know championship He doesn't know how to Manager club in England All stories were like this So few people believed in us when we brought him But I believed in him of course Because I saw his football in Turkey And he came in general in Turkey So he impressed me a lot When I met him as a person I saw a great character in front of me and true nice person and of course no football and realistic so we started our journey together with him and I discovered that he was the coach I was looking for for three years and thank God sent me Sergei and now we are ready. A tune I watched the game and McBurney just an example we surprised at the levels that the players went to I must be playing in the championship he had a bit of experience previous in the Premier League but did everyone play like lift themselves for this occasion I mean I hope it's not a one-off but it was an incredible performance. You are very right because what we saw in Syletters, Cruxy and Special McBurney even of course the other boys, Giants, everybody lifted themselves so I was making fun with Syletters Special McBurney his name is 50 grand because the club bought him for £50,000 so his nickname is 50 grand so I was saying in the league one you were playing like a league one player then you promoted to the championship you played it exactly like a championship player and one day before the game I asked him now it is the Premier League time and I think you will be again like a Premier League player that played so many years and he said to me we will see tomorrow the game was one day later after the game what he said to me was when we met in the dressing room after the game he said to me now I feel I can be a Premier League player and that may be very happy McBurney is a special case of course for me he is our hero and very special personality extremely talent and if you ask me in my 30 years of football watching I cannot compute 10 more players than more intelligent than Oli McBurney. Wow, interesting last week one or two pundits were none too complimentary about what Hull may or may not do this season in the Premier League at June do you think your boys used that as a bit of motivation that will prove you're wrong? This has been for more than one year this motivation in the beginning of championship the hero was making assumptions and they all put us to 23 24 and we were the favorite to relegated this year of course you were expecting the same thing this year nobody doubted about it you know everybody was sure that we are relegated for example they are making like predictions and when they see on their head Hull they don't even talk about the club they just put it to 20 without giving making any comment it was of course fun for us because me and my fans everybody in Hull we believe in our boys we believe in us so for us we are we like to be underdog and it motivates us yes it motivates us but last week the situation was different you know the comments was a little disturbing so I made my comments about them I don't want to talk too much about it but sometimes it happens in football in life. I tune first of all I'm delighted for you you know to go promoted you've been there for a period of time obviously side of my family all big Hull fans and my brother in law is we're all sitting in Spain and in Gibraltar watching this game and they actually forecast the score to near when I laughed at it and said you're going to get done in the same way that Arsenal did Coventry so I'm delighted that you won but interestingly for me is about you and your expectations you know you've gone into the Premier League you've supported this club I've seen the change in the club I've seen from the LM ownership to your ownership that your relationship with the fans I think you've done brilliantly for the football club you took a bold decision like all of us you know you kiss some frogs to get the manager that you want you've got the manager in that's doing a job for you at this moment in time but your expectations of this season what are you expecting to happen you're a realist you're a pragmatist you know it's very difficult to stay in this Premier League but what are you expecting of the season? First of all I have a special thank you Simon because whenever we talk in this 3 years of journey four years of journey you visited our beautiful city this is an honor for us and apart from that you always mentioned your belief in our project because you were there you saw that we became a family you saw that we are united me players coach everybody we are like one family and we always say one family wondering and the drink came true and about the Premier League one win never will take us over the clubs of course we know we are but don't forget on the pitch we had seven eight players missing in that day on Saturday I think seven six seven starters were missing in the team so that made me more optimistic now because of course I know how it is tough to stay in the Premier League our only goal this year is to stay in the Premier League nothing else because if I can stay in the Premier League of course we can stay in the Premier League what we will do is we will get another yearly budget this time our strength will be double that's what I'm trying to do at the moment take like this I have to buy 15 players now and with a certain budget and limit I have to get 15 players so this players per player value will not be high of course I can only spend three four over 20 million and that's all what we can do but next year if you can stay I will want to be another Brighton Bramford I this club I really love and hopefully future future can be another lesson maybe ten years ago but we will see I know that our boys can do it because they really play with their art I've never seen any team in this league giving everything on the pitch like our boys do and that's always making me proud and I'm hopeful that we can stay in the league you you were delighted to be Manchester United I would think finally a tune you'll be even more delighted if you can go to Coventry next weekend and win there first of all I love Coventry I love their owners Doug is a good friend of mine and he really supported me in my hard times in the play of times you know we have a good relation with him I love him and his wife of course but this is football and you know it's like the Roman Empire days somebody has to be alive you know so nobody can nobody can get credit to other people be romantic so of course we will give everything and we will have two three players on the pitch different this time I think of course decision but newcomers will be ready and we have all I think for me is a 50-50 game anything can happen but is we win then of course still of course nobody is expecting us to stay we'll win but if it is too win then it will be still a little little confusion about some commenters like what is going on and hopefully we check that out 100% essential down outspoken with white and Jordan thanks for listening to our spoken don't forget to leave us a five-star review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts from so you never miss an episode.