‘Apollo 13’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Rob Mahoney

>> The rewatchables is brought to by the ringer podcast network where you can find the big picture with Amanda Dobbins. >> That's right. >> A rare rewatchables appearance. >> I'm thrilled. I can't believe it's finally happening. >> Back in the rotation. Rob Mahoney, ringer NBA show, more importantly Prestige. >> More importantly. >> More importantly. >> More importantly importantly. >> No, I think Joanna, if it was a good son thing, you would save Joanna over Kyle and Ethan Johnson. >> Yes. >> Anyway, you can listen to both of their podcasts. But more importantly, this was Amanda Dobbins' request. It's been a request for years. It's finally happening. Paul Thirteen is next. >> This episode of the rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st, our guy, Jason Statham, stars in Mutiny, the new action thriller from the director of Plane. I like that movie. When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens. Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission. I love one-man missions to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of the beekeeper, the beg, or the expendables, guilty. This is exactly the kind of movie you want to see. Statham in. You've sold me. One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years, doing what he does best. I agree with that. I think die hard on a boat. That sounds great. Mutiny, only in theaters August 21st, rated R for strong bloody violence in language. There you go. [MUSIC] Apollo 13. Isn't America just great? And she's proud to be an American. Remember when we used to just soft shit? Yeah. When people in the moon, we used to dream. We used to look up there. Like someday, we used to come together, it's people. Yeah. Just soft. Failure was not an option. Yeah. Just soft shit. It went up, brought our guys back. Everyone cheered the control room, the end. Why do you love this movie? For that. To me, this is peak 90s Hollywood, peak studio, big budget movie. And it is, to your point, when we talk about, they don't make them like they used to. I mean, America for sure, but also movies like this, big budget, based on a true story. You solve something as a team with movie stars and practical effects and zero gravity. And you feel better about yourself and the world. And not in a cheesy way, because, you know, it is, as Tom Hanks says at the end, the successful failure. So I, it's just a perfect concoction. I also, 95 was clueless Apollo 13 and Ang Lee's sentence sensibility, which is of course next week on the rewatchables. But for me, those were huge movies and kind of when I logged on as a movie watcher. Most people of my generation was 94 in Pulp Fiction. For me, it was 95 and Apollo 13. And so this sets the template. Like this is what all movies should be, Tom Hanks carrying a movie on his back. It's also when I logged on as a movie watcher. This was, I think the first grown up movie I was allowed to watch. And some of it was as a kid growing up in Texas space, humongous steel. I had space toys. I went to space camp. Oh my God. I wanted to go to the camp. I forgot about that. It was a blast. So bad. Do you remember Disney adventures? The Mac. Yeah. So the advertising Disney adventures like crazy. And I was never allowed to go, but this movie just fed into it big time. Can I say it's not too late, you know, you could be the adult at space camp. Do they have an adult division? I can assure you. Should we? Then that for the ringer and your anniversary. Space camp everybody. Is it zero gravity machine? No, sadly not. Well, actually, yes. We did doubt that version. Okay. But no vomit comment. No vomit. Okay. Okay. This is a great point though. Texas and space. It's like the official home team for space. Absolutely. I was going to kids birthday parties where the whole theme was just like space. You know, it was like it was a weirdly even for the 90s considering how late in the game all this stuff was a genuine sensation. And so this brought me to adult movies for the first time. This and that thing you do are also the first times I ever saw Tom Hanks on screen. Oh my god, hold my hand for that thing you do. I'm not saying anything in front of you, but there is an anniversary coming up later this year. You're that thing you do? Are you kidding me? And this is this is a moment of union between me and Rob because you know the deal on the big picture is that he comes onto the big picture and takes all my stuff. He drafts all of my movies and so normally we're opposed. He's a foil. Yes, but now together we love Apollo 13 and we love that thing. In America, Tom Hanks. Yeah. See, we love movies too. We're just allowed to be on the same side here. It's a structure. It's a system that's against us. We're not opposed. Yeah, it's a teamwork. I saw Apollo 13 and when I was in my mid-20s, my most cynical. Okay. Right. So I was more in like that kicking and screaming. Like I just want to like smoke cigarettes and think everybody. Yeah, I think everybody's like wrong. And I saw this and I was like, yeah, it's a little schmaltz. Yeah, all right. And then over the years, it was on all the time. I'm like, this is the carbon dioxide part. Yeah. All right. And you just kind of get sucked in. I find myself leaky more and more, but especially the last five, six years, it's just a it's just a go-to, safe one. Yes. Right? You just kind of plunge in. It's your friends. It's like, I'll bill taxon. Oh, Gary Sinesi doesn't get to go. Hey, there's that Harris. He's going to smoke another dart. Right. Or and now they got to solve this problem. It is a procedural. So you would dip in and out and it did play on cable all of the time. I had the VHS, but you would be the three hour, it could go from eight to 11, because it's like two hours, 20, but then 40 minutes of commercials. It's like perfect. And so you would log on for the, oh, okay, they got to fix the carbon, you know, dioxide monitors or, oh, they got to do the burn and keep the earth in the window. And you can't just watch these various hurdles. Or when they're when they're doing the little TV show that nobody's watching because none of the networks just hang it up. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. I mean, if you're like, this is going to flip in a second. These guys have no idea because Bacon's going to switch that flip. Well, I mean, with the problem solving stuff, though, like not only did Apollo 13 kind of symbolize the mid 90s Hollywood in general, but I think it changed space movies forever from this, like, isn't it wonderful and amazing and awesome to be in space, kind of like fantastical journeys into space to every minute is like a fight for survival. Yeah, you can see the street, like we don't get projectile Mary without this movie, like we don't get that book, we don't get the Martian, we don't get interstellar. That to me, that type of storytelling kind of starts from a movie making perspective right here. And we have, I had the premier magazine found that. Thanks, but this was like, you mentioned 95. The infrastructure, the mechanism of like Apollo 13's coming and Ron Howard's going to direct and Tom Hanks is in it. Like, you were aware of this stuff well before it came out. And Hanks was like the most important person who could have been in this. And there's, I'll step on one cast and wind up now, which you guys probably know, but they offered it to cost our first because costume was venue they were doing this, like at the end of 93, costumes, the biggest star in the world. Hanks has always wanted to do an astronaut movie. So his agent's like, hey, you should give it to Hanks. So Hanks is locked in. And then Hanks has the Philadelphia Force Gump combo. And now it's like, this is, we've won the lottery of Hanks. Hanks is season ticket tanks now. It's like, whatever he's in next people are going. And he's, I can't imagine this movie with Kevin Costner. This is not a Kevin Carst, the Costner movie. Like, he's way too glib for it. Like, the energy would be so strange. Like, he's getting horny at the party early. It's also after no way out. So you can't trust him. The champagne with Kathleen Quinlan, like now I have to watch him, like get it on a little bit there. Yeah, I don't even be in the Apollo 13 for two hours with guys. I don't know. He'd be looking around. And it's also so essential to the Hanks lore as the, like, as the history nerd guy, you know, because then after this, you get band of brothers and you get Sabin Private Ryan and you get the, and he's like, really into astronauts is what the and really into space is what they say and all the coverage of this time. But then it just turns out he's just really, really into 1941 to 1970. But that's a weird way. But not, no, in a cool, celebratory way. That's the thing. Well, he's trying to basically be Jimmy Stewart for, for like two generations of people kind of worked and it worked to me. It worked. It's good. The Sean's not here for this one. Why? Because in cruise versus Hanks, there's always, you're always fighting for Hanks. And I'm fighting with you. And I love cruise, too, though. I love cruise, too. But I just think there's sometimes. Sean just shades it way towards. Yes. Exactly. Do you feel that way? Craig? Do you think Sean shades it too far to to cruise? To cruise? I feel like he's the anti-hanks a little bit. I do. He does. Yeah. And I, I made for Sean. This is Tom Hanks's 11th rewatch. He is now moved up there at cruises first at 18. Pinchino 14 to nearly 13. Denzel and still in 12. Hanks 11. Okay. We've that of a two-way tie with Matt Damon. So long Matt. Okay. How do we not have a graph with every ringer staffer plotted Hanks versus cruise? Like how far you are leaning on the spectrum one to the other? It's just like, do you have to pick a side? I did. That's hard, though. If I actually had to pick. Yeah. I don't know if I could do it right now. You guys all have to pick. No, I won't. This is America. This is a movie about America. And they have to pick whether to go Thank you. or go home, but they don't have to pick-- - Well, here's the thing, Tom Cruise. - Tom Cruise could not have played Jim Lovell, I don't know. I just think it would have been a weird use of Tom Cruise. - No. - Whereas Hank's, this was perfect for him, but I wouldn't have wanted to see Hank's and I's wide shut. - Correct. - And I would not have wanted to see him in the firm. - I's wide shut, Hank's would be really something to behold. - Really, actually, he's saying to Americans, dad, he's also an I's wide shut, I kind of need that. - So Hank's goes, league of their own, sleeps in Seattle, Philadelphia, forest gone, Paul 13 Toy Story in the same year. He's just ripping them off. - Yeah, ridiculous. - This is the biggest heater, we've talked about it before in the real actuals. This is the biggest heater anybody's had in the last 35 plus years. - Yeah, undefended. - Roger Ebert, where we're gonna get to later, but he said, when we're talking about the American thing, Paul 13 never really states its theme, except perhaps in one sentence of Narnish at the end, but the whole film is suffused with it. When was the last time we heard that word, suffused. The space program was a really extraordinary thing, something to be proud of, and those who went into space were not just heroes, which is a cliche, but brave and resourceful, which somehow we don't feel that way anymore. - Well, we don't really go into space like this anymore. - And nobody cares if we go or not. And I was thinking about like the six-- - I was just passing, I thought it was still a moment. - Was it actually a moment? - Yeah, my kids were super excited. - Yeah, yeah. - And that's good. - And they could say Artemis too, and they thought that they were gonna see it land in San Diego from our house. - I watched it, it was like a appointment watching. I heard that we were going around the dark side of the moon, that we're gonna lose connection with them for an hour. I was into it. - And listen though, let me tell you something. At the last minute, they had some heat shield concerns. - I swear to God. - I always have heat shield concerns. - Who doesn't? And not to step on-- - It's 4,000 degrees. - Not to step on who ate what aged the worst, but heat shields. Apparently we have not figured this out. I read so many articles about other engineers trying to get in front of their version of the Apollo 13. Like they, all of the journalists essentially tracked down the people who built this heat shield, the Artemis II heat shield, to allow them to distance themselves from various. And more scientists were like, we didn't agree on this, they were fine, they made it. But heat shields, still an issue. - Yeah, it's, I don't know. When I was growing up, we had had all this stuff, we had kind of achieved it. - Yeah. - And it was already felt like this whole decade was like tumultuous for all these great things happen. And now the 70s, now all of the sudden, great things aren't happening. - Right. - Right. And then you see a movie like this that comes out literally 25 years afterwards. And there's this underlying theme in the whole movie of like, and they don't say it, which I think, the more I've watched this movie, it's the coolest thing about the movie. They don't hate you over the head with anything. There's not one moment where somebody's like telling you what the movie's about, no character. But it's all underlying of like, back then you just kind of had a dream and that's what you wanted to do. And it's about like this guy, all he wanted to was walk in the moon, he didn't get to do it. And he presided over a successful failure. And that was, and he kind of knows in the moment, like this is what I'm gonna be remembered for, being able to be pulled back out of space and not dying. And that's kind of where I am. - I think the closest we get to someone saying it out loud is Jim Lovell at the beginning. And I think it's in his book of the like, it wasn't a miracle that we went to the moon, we just decided to. And like that kind of ambition that you're speaking to, I think is kind of undergirding the whole movie. But then it's like what happens when an ambition leads you to take a faulty oxygen tank into space. Like what are the repercussions of just deciding to do something like that? - And then also how crazy it was that, in the 60s with the fucking technology we had that we were able to even do this. That gets more amazing by the year. Like think about the TVs they're watching in this. And just the stuff, the radios, the things are so primitive. - I think about when they're trying to find the extra power that they need to reboot the command module. And they're in search of four amps. They, you know, and they compare it to a vacuum, what would run a vacuum cleaner or something so small and so inconsequential. And that's the technology that they're dealing with. And they're floating around in this tiny tin can, just trying to find like a vacuum cleaner is worse of juice. - And they're constantly doing that too. They're like, this is what we're doing a vacuum cleaner. And we need to have energy for a coffee pot. It's like, you gotta take a toaster through a coffee pot. - Sure, yeah. - How do we make all this stuff feel grounded and real in a way where yeah, we don't feel hit over the head. It's just like, oh, I get exactly what the struggle is because many astronauts are coming on screen, holding bottles of beer and cups and like mocking enough for us. - Yeah, there's a lot of people together and you know they're all smart. And they're just on the move all the time, trying to figure out solutions. And there's like, I think two different times in the movie where they all kind of freeze 'cause they know this is bad. - Yeah. - And it gets quiet for like three seconds. - Right. - And Ron Howard directed and Ron Howard, you know, if he was an athlete, we'd be like, great career. Definitely a Hall of Famer. But like, there's not like a ton of Ron Howard fans. We'd be like, who's your favorite director? My favorite director is Ron Howard. - So what's the top, is he? - I don't know, but he's-- - DeMarta Rosen. - Who is, he's kind of one step ahead of me. - Sorry, you're gonna steal it. - No, it's like a, I don't know like a Philip Rivers or somebody that made the playoffs every year and-- - Hold some family names. - But I was gonna say he's done a lot of kids, right? - He does, yeah. - But they thought they were gonna win the Oscar for this and they didn't. They lost to a brave heart. - Outrage, in my opinion, but. - There's this great story about Brian Grazer like, with the speech and his thing standing up as they, and then it's brave heart. I watched that in YouTube. They didn't show him, but he said that. - And then in though, they did an oral history last year and someone said that Jim Lovell said to him, "It's okay, I didn't get to go to the moon." - Right. - Which is very charming, but also really puts it in perspective. However many years later, he's still thinking about it. - Everyone thought that year though, that was like, it was-- - It won the PGA. - One of the first times I remember the framework of the Oscars tying into the movies coming out where it's like, oh, this could win. And I don't remember really, I know they always talked about it, but just for people like me and Boston, like doing nothing. They're having the sense of what an Oscar movie was. - Right. - You know, and this felt like, oh, they have Hanks, they've all these dudes at Harris steals all his scenes. Like, he's gonna win and then it only ended up winning two Oscars. - Yeah. - I don't know. - For a scump, meanwhile. But I do feel like that for a scump the year before and you have both Hanks and Gary Sinese, and that was such an Oscar heavyweight. And also about a similar period of history told in a slightly different way, but revisiting-- - I have theories on that. - Yeah. - I'm pushing that to later. The successful failure. - Yeah. - The lessons from this, just like, it didn't work. Let's do it again. I'm gonna go back in and Sinese, both Sinese and Hanks are like, all right, well, it's just in just like the process, which you talked about like a procedural. Like, this is like the ultimate procedural. And all these guys just trusting like their expertise and there's a calmness to everybody. Apparently in real life, it's even more calm. And that was like the one time they deviated from what real life was like astronauts would never yell at each other. People in the control room would never freak out. Like even the worst disasters we've had, everybody's pretty even keel 'cause you have to be. But I just like watching that. That's the same reason with the pit. I think that's one of the reasons the pit works 'cause it's a complete chaos. And you're just watching these people problem solve constantly. - And there's one of those things that when you talk to people and make movies and TV shows, it's like one of the hardest things to stage is crosstalk. In terms of many characters interjecting, cutting each other off. Like I just did to Amanda, unfortunately. But like, like all the control room scenes, I've no idea how you mock that out without like intense preparation and planning to make it happen. - And I read that Howard told all the control room guys, like the more you know the actors, the more you know about your stuff and the more specificity. And like material you can give me the more likely it is that you make the final cut of the movie. So I don't think that means they were like-- - I don't think that he did that, yeah. - But I do too, but you know, they speak in specifics. And you think about all of these guys being like, no, no, I got one more thing and just throwing out some jargon and it still is also legible. - Yes. Plus keeping, like basically obeying a lot of the transcript. - Yeah. - And not freelancing with it because really trying, this movie tried so hard to be authentic, which was another thing that was relatively new for the 90s. And now it's like everybody, anyone who made a movie like this would now in 2026 would be fanatical about, I've got to get this, I've got to do this. But back then it was a little, you just take liberties. Who's going to say we didn't have the internet? (laughing) But this movie was really fanatical and he sent those guys to camp to learn, you know, he sent them mounds of transcripts to read and wanted them to listen to how the control room people talk to each other and it's impressive. It was an impressive achievement. - Yeah. - Not to mention like the CGI stuff's pretty early. - It's pretty good. - Yeah. - The rocket launches like, really solid. - Really good. - Yeah. - And then the most famous thing was the zero gravity stuff that they did, which we'll talk about later. Our guy Steve Spielberg gave him the key suggestion. - Yeah. - Just getting one of those zero G plans fly around. - That'll do it. - Metal, that'll do it. Ron Howard. One my heart with Night Shift, which we've done on the rewatch almost. - It's incredible that Night Shift was before Apollo 13. - Way before. - I guess you're working chronologically through this. - Oh, you mean on rewatch? - Yes. - Yeah. - But this was, I was basically the age for Night Shift that you were for Apollo 13. - Okay, so I got it. - Yeah. - Also, Night Shift was a huge win. Craig came in with one of the biggest smiles on his face I've ever seen. - For Night Shift. - We just don't make them like these anymore. - Yeah. - We don't, we really don't. - Do it. A pimp in a, in a, what was it? - Let's say you had a funeral home, funeral home. - Yeah, some more thing. - Yeah. - All right, night shifts splash. Good start, thanks. Cocoon, big movie, gun hoe, did well, has an age great, Willow. - There are people who are interested. - There's some Willow, Willow, are they in the room with us right now? - I'm not in the room with us today. - Okay. They weren't fun. - Karenhood, we've done them rewatchables. - Yeah. - Good one, little flawed, but really fun. A typical set of TV series. Back drafts, same thing, a lot of people. - Sure. - Far and away, bad. - White bad. - Fun though. - Enjoy it. - The accident work is. - Are you aware, far away? - No. - Even like year 17 of the rewatchable, yes, we may have to do it. - You should make Sean come on for that. Make him defend that truth. - Crews have to do it. - He did. - He did. - When we did the crew's Hall of Fame, I do think that Sean drafted it. And if tried to defend the portrayal of Ireland then the Irish accent. - Sean saw that movie once. (laughing) I think Sean sometimes pads his stats. I think Far and Away was a one-timer for Sean. So yeah, Ireland, bare-knuckle boxing. - Sure. - Yeah. - Nobody's queuing that up twice. - I went to a blind Tom Cruise movie marathon. Five movies back-to-back all day. - And you didn't know what they were? - Didn't know what they were. - Did you watch five in a row? - Five in a row. - That sounds back-to-back. - That sounds amazing. - Movie three was far and away. It was like right when you're starting to get punchy, they've heard the Irish accents. - Okay. - It really played. - And that setting. - But do you remember the order of the five? - I think Days of Thunder was first. - Oh, that third. - Color of money first. - Okay. - I sure. - I would have started with Far and Away as like an appetizer. (laughing) - Collateral second. Days of Thunder last. I'm linking on with the fourth movie. - Wow, putting Far and Away a third is just aggressive. - Do you know like yoga in between the movies? How are you staying loose? - It's just my natural state. (laughing) - Honestly, this sounds like a great day. - Now it's really neat to know what movie four was. - I gotta peg it down. I gotta see what it was. - Probably the firm or a few good men is crammed in there. - I feel like there were no cocktails. - Cocktail? - Yeah, it was Cocktail. - Oh my God, how are you not there? - 'Cause they gave us. - I just want to be their cocktail shakers as a little party favor for this movie. - Wow. - It's incredible. - So he Far and Away in the paper is before Apollo. - Yeah, are you a paper guy? - Sierra and I have discussed it a lot. It's not good. - I wanna like it. - I really wanted to like it. - I like everything about it except the movie itself, you know? - Do you get flipping around Amnesia? We were like the paper. Maybe I need one more chance. And then it's like, oh yeah, now this is. - It just doesn't. - Just ever get there. - And it's really dated. - Can we just say the theme of a lot of this, which is I wanted it to work is kind of the Ron Howard story. - Well that's a third. - 80% of the time. - Until Apollo 13. - Yeah. - He kept like taking these big swings at lots of people and finally hit with this. And it's weird 'cause I think my single favorite Ron Howard movie is Rush. - Rush is pretty good. - It was pretty good. - I really thought that was such a well done, awesome, well acted everything. But that and this and Night Shift are probably my favorite. What are your three? - I don't know that there are three to be honest with you. - Yeah. - He's not one of my guys, which makes this feel operational, but he was born to direct exactly this movie. - What do you think? - Parenthood, Apollo 13, and Rush probably. I mean, I did also like Rush and the Chris Hemsworth performance. But this is on its own pedestal. This is singular. - Beautiful mind. That was a movie I weirdly watched. - It's really good. You only wanna watch it once. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It might be in the three by default, but I don't love it. - It's very sincere, old, early-oughts kind of movie. - Yeah. - I actually really like Frostnixon. I thought that was good. - Oh yeah, that would be probably my number five. - Oh, okay. - I like Frostnixon. - Yeah, that's okay. - Kevin Bacon? - Yes. - Always yes. - Is Kevin Bacon a Hall of Famer? - Of course he is. Tremors alone. How dare you? Is he a Hall of Famer? - He's not a Hall of Famer. - So like how Michael Cooper's a Hall of Famer? - Why do men say this? Why do men not respect Kevin Bacon? - I like your Hall of Famer. - Okay, this is also an issue with everyone. - I like Kevin Bacon. I'm just provoking conversations. - It's not like you don't. - River Wild. - I have a bunch of Apollo 13. - Animal House Diner, Footloose, Flatliners, JFK, Few Good Men, River Wild, Apollo 13, Sleepers, Mr. River Frostnixon, Crazy Stupid Love. - Sure so much. - And I didn't mention 70 other movies. - Yeah. - I think he's in, but I don't think he gets in on the first ballot. And I think people are upset. And they're like, he didn't get in. Oh my God, he didn't get 75% of the vote. And then the next ballot, he gets like 77% of the gets in. - Okay, I think that actually sounds right. I think he's deserving, but maybe it's not obvious. - So what's the single best Kevin Bacon performance? 'Cause I don't think it's this. - Is it the River Wild? - He's pretty good in the river. - He's really good. - I've watched it a while ago, Meryl crushes him that. - Is it not actually full loose? I think it's actually full loose. - Very good in that. - Like the physical performance is a part of performance. - I really honestly think it's a few good men. - Cam Jack Ross. - I think Smile and Jack Ross is, he just is every moment, he's great in it. I guess so, it's a terrible movie, but one of the romcoms was the one he made with Aniston. Picture perfect. No, he's like the CAD. I like when he's a CAD. - He's a good CAD. - He's like the bad guy that you don't want our romcom. Here I went to fall in love with, and then she ends up picking somebody else. I think it was picture perfect, but I was like when he's a dick. I thought he's been a dick enough. - I mean, he's been a dick, he's been a pedophile. He's been lots of things. - Yeah, the rings, what I'm saying. - Yeah, in this one, he's a '60s bachelor, which is one of my favorites. (laughing) It's usually like scenes like that where there's some, it's that opening scene, some goofy 60s house, and him flirting with somebody who has some crazy hairdo and being like, "Here's a beard." And it's like, "Oh, this guy, okay." - And then he's pictured in the shower with another woman. - Yeah, yeah. - And they don't really comment on that much. - You don't see anything. - You don't know, it could be the same woman. We don't see her. Actually, we do see her. - We do see her. - It's definitely a different woman. - It's a different woman. - I feel very beautiful, good for him. - New woman in every port. - High-approverating in general for Kevin Bacon, and Bill Paxton, who I think has close to 100%. - Yeah. - This is the Apollo Twister Titanic threesome for Bill Paxton, vaulting him too. - Perfect. - Hold her level. - Yeah. - culminating with him having to listen to the old lady. (laughing) - Tell me more about the necklace. - Everyone's favorite part of Titanic. - Some of the worst scenes ever filmed for a classic movie. And then what happened? So you dated this guy for nine months, and you still talk about him 60 years later, but you had a whole family with this other guy? - Nine months. It was like three days. - Oh yeah. No, it was yeah, two days. - Yeah. - Two days. - It was like how long was the Titanic voyage? - Nine hours. - It was, well, yeah, very short. - Would Zack and your children take that personally? If like on your deathbed, you're like, yeah, this guy in my early 20s in New York, and that was it. You just talked about him the whole day. 'Cause I would be furious if that was my wife. - Y'all have clearly never been painted like a French girl before. - It's a life-changing experience. - I honestly hope they'd be mad that I got rid of the necklace, you know? I would hope that they-- - See, you're too smart. You'd keep the necklace. - Yeah, of course. - We'd take care of future generations. Bill Pax and everybody loves him. The closest here to a weird science bill, Paxden, because he's got the crew cut and kind of the goofy, whatever. - Doing math. - But then more importantly, we have the over-qualified side-cakes at Harris and Garrison East. - Yeah. - He's coming out for his gum with Tenet Dan. Gets to be reunited with Hanks. And then at Harris, he's just like, I'm stealing every moment I'm in this movie. You're gonna remember me. - He's unreal. Is there a better guy at being in a control room? - No. - Then at Harris. - Between this and Truman Show. Like, that's as good as it gets. - It's, I mean, it's an all-time performance. - It did make you think, like, if that Harris was an NFL head coach, just on the sideline with the headset, but knew nothing that was going on, but they just would cut to him and he looked at Get Harris. I feel like we're going 12 and 5. - Yeah, can we replace Ad Harris just for Mike McCarthy? Mike McCarthy could still call the plays, but I just wanna see Ad Harris here. - Ad Harris is just like smoking cigarettes and just looking at the field. You feel like you're at least in the second round. Sinise has the better part though. - It's a great part. It's a great character. - Ad Harris is just making nothing out of, out of basically just I'm cutting to him and him being intense, but Sinise is doing some stuff here. And it's like the most legable, Sinise, I think, 'cause deep down I always feel like Sinise is the ransom guy, just like the dark side or like Lieutenant Dan after he loses his legs or he's on a bender. - Well, to your point about how the movie doesn't actually have anyone say the themes and what it's about, that a lot of the acting is just people reacting and sitting there silently, like they've gotten really bad news, which many of these characters do throughout the course of this movie. But that's seen when it's when Hank's, when Jim Lovell tells him that he's not getting the-- - It was my call. - Yeah, it was my call. Most of that scene is them just sitting in chairs like this staring at each other. And you feel everything. It is great acting, but it is just people look at each other being like, okay. - It must have been a hard decision. - Okay. - It's great acting. - Yeah. - Is that like the split second pause? - Yeah. - Must have been a hard decision and just kind of stares and down. They're like, oh, it's so restrained. But like for that part, you don't need to do a lot. Like the perfectionist who got benched and is trying to be a good sport and feels guilty 'cause he wasn't on the flight, but then gets to try to save his friends and also feels guilty for feeling relieved that he's not on it, like-- - It's a year or a couple other times. There's so much there. He's like, I wish you could see it. He's like, I bet you do. And it's like, he's still a little-- - Yeah. - A little pissed. And then your favorite in this movie, movie, Kathleen Quinnlin. If they have a problem with that, they can take it up with my husband. He'll be home on Friday. Listen, she guilds the lily from time to time. That's the one. That's the one. Everything else, I'm going to say, okay, memorize. Yes. She, she that talk about it, nothing part. Yeah. But she turns into I often every time I think she's great. She's really good in this. Every time I'm washing my hands, I think about the ring going down the drain and like the panic of, of losing a ring. And I think she's really good with the grandmother and, you know, who's, who I believe is Mrs. Howard. Yes, mom. Yeah. No, she, she doesn't let it go too big too often. This is a classic terrible actress part that she's makes a good part. Yes. And has really good reactions, especially when the end when they don't know if they've just rubbed the three minutes, and she's just like watching TV. It's like you really think like her husband's, but it's like mom, you're squeezing me. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then when he makes it, like, she's really, really good. I've always liked her. I always thought she should have had a better career. The scene with her and Hank's the night before the launch, when she's not going to come to the launch, and she comes, they, you know, they have great chemistry across the road. But it's good. Their chemistry is adorable. Yeah. She has to spend a lot of this movie to your point, like listening to radios and watching TVs. Everything she and Hank's are in together is awesome. It's so like, I just wish we got a version of a movie where they were on screen more together sometimes. Not nearly enough smoking from her though. I just feel like in real life, that lady was pounding. Sure. Yeah, but they are, you know, all the astronauts are former military, right? So I guess in the 1970, I don't know what that means. But everyone's a little conservative. It's a little straight lace. Sure. This is in the kid to military school. They do. They gave her the Oscar nomination partly because she had to have that hairdo the entire movie. It's real tough. I mean, what? Can you explain what happened in that two-year span? I don't know. No, I wasn't there. And you were not, you know, sentient. So I don't know what anyone was thinking. It's the all time. I don't know what you guys were thinking haircut this. It's like a, it's like a beehive, and it's, I just don't get it. And also men at the time are like, that looks great. I think we admire the engineering, you know? No, I don't think so. Because it reminds me of a scene in the crowd. It reminds me of like Queen Elizabeth's haircut, you know? And it's something that you would get done to your hair. And then I guess it is efficient because it doesn't get touched for several weeks, you know? Is that what it is? Yeah, you know, in the shower, she's wearing the shower cap and she has all the pins and everything. And that's because you don't wash or rest out. You get your hair set. That's what they call it. That's what my grandmother called it. And then you don't go to the salon or touch it for another week or two. But I, yeah, I don't think that people, women were doing it for the, to appeal to the opposites. Really brutal. Because the 70s, everybody figured it out. Yeah. Everyone looks great in the 70s. Yeah. I really wanted to do 60s a week at the ringer, where we just all had to dress like characters in the 60s for podcasts, but Jeff Chao told me it was too expensive. Okay. Also probably illegal. I would recommend it. Who am I gonna be? Who would I be? Who would I be? You would have a dress like Kathleen Quinn. I'm not sure. I'm not wearing that. I, first of all, that's the 70s. It's 1970. Oh, true. Yeah. So I get passed on that. I think, I don't want to get out of here. I would come off great. You think so? I do. I mean, the hair is hard to hear. Let's be real. Tall strapping guy. Yeah. Screenplay. Mm-hmm. William Boyle's Jr. and Al Reiner. There was a book they got to work on called "Lost Man" from Jim Lovell, Jeffrey Bluger. Mm-hmm. And they wrote it with "Costar and Mind" with that lead part. Yes. Assuming "Costar" would be in it. They looked out. Yes. And the rest. I read that book when I was 12 years old. No documentary footage. Space camp. I'm saying. So we, no documentary footage. They filmed everything. Yeah. Howard, like, painstakingly recreated every, even like how they walked up, you know, walked upstairs and shit. He studied everything. Really no special effects. Nine Oscar nominations. One for film editing. And sound. So here's. Best picture. Mm-hmm. Braveheart wins. Apollo 13. Babe. Mm-hmm. The postman. Mm-hmm. You'll postino. Yeah. Opostino and sense and sensibility. We're five. Yes. Um. I don't know. Who wins in the 31 years later re Oscars? My, my heart is torn into you. And this one. I'm not sure if you know what I'm saying. I mean, the performance that is him trying to, you know, give some hope and tell you something essential about this character and how he wouldn't. He's not going to give up. And you got to keep rooting for him. And some, you know, humanity to the Kathleen Quinlan character. It's incredible. Like I just this is this is the best performance. And for a scump. It's great. Nobody thinks for a scump. It's like force gum gets all the flack. Like this movie is so much better than Philadelphia. So like it is and the performance is better than Philadelphia. It's subtler. But when you think about how much of it rests on his face selling the stakes of what's happening. And every incremental change in their situation. I just think he's asked to carry a lot. And Ron Howard trusts it to a degree that's unprecedented for what we see now in movies. Like I think there's only one moment where they veer into like let's show you something we don't need to. And so we get like the vision of him stepping on the moon in his like dream state. Other than that, it's all like present. Let me just show you the Tom Hanks reaction shot. And it works. It's funny. I think Castaway is his best performance because I think it was a harder movie than he just has to carry it for an hour and 15 by himself. And it's like the short hand now for a type of movie star performance, which is just one guy. Everybody is like we've seen now. We just saw it with the Odyssey, different movies just trying to do that where it's like here's our guy. He's going to be on his own now for a while. Well, there are two Hanks best actor Oscars. So we could trade them both. Let's do it. Let's do it. Follow 13 and then cast away. You just treat me. But I would do a two for one trade. I honestly think he should have at least three. I agree. I think he's one short of where he should be. But you know, if Philadelphia never happens, he at least gets nominated for this. Yes. I think that was a big piece of this. The lack of the nomination is just disrespectful. This is what happens out. And then some people think saving private Ryan's is best performance. Listen, which is interesting too, because it's a little bit older and beaten downhanks, but same stuff. What's your favorite Hanks, Craig? My favorite Hanks. Yeah, probably none of these movies is probably sleepless since. Yeah. He's also the King of romcom. That's beautiful. Yeah, he's really really good at it. I have been. Number two for me for Hanks. - Different phase of Hanks, but yeah. - 'Cause I thought that was like an impossible performance. I still don't know how I pulled that off, 'cause the other person who wanted that movie was De Niro, and that movie is one of the worst movies of all time with Robert De Niro. - That's crazy. - Yeah, I just don't know a lot of people who do that. So best actor, Spacey wins for usual suspects. Ed Harris is nominated, doesn't win. And then, Best Supporting Actress, Quinlan does not win. Mier Serbino wins for Betty after Betty. - I get it. - Let's find. - And I think she presented Best Picture for this Oscars, even though she'd already won. I don't know why, 'cause that was the YouTube coupon watch. 52 million dollar budget made $355 million, third highest movie of 995. Can you guess the two top movies, Roboni? - '95. - '95. - I have no clue. - We've done both. - Oh, Toy Story. - We've done Toy Story not. - One of them. - Second, yeah. What was number one in '95? - DH with a V. - Sure. - That got rid of the vengeance. Number one all time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Archive Rodriguez, four stars. - That's right. - This is a powerful story. One of the year's best films, told with great clarity and remarkable technical detail. It's about men trying to do a job, doing a better one than anyone could have imagined. And then he says, the buried, I can never say buried. - Buried. - The buried. - Buried. - Buried. - Buried. - Is that a Boston thing? - So Danny Heifetz, this is what you just talked about. - Buried. - Yeah. - Danny Heifetz, speech dyslexia. The buried message is this, when we dialed down the space program, we lost something crucial to our vision. When I was a kid, they used to predict that by the year 2000, you'd be able to go to the moon. Nobody ever thought to predict that you'd be able to. But nobody would bother. - Yeah. - Raj, tough getting a little somber. - Mm-hmm. I mean, there is a somber quality to this, which is why I think I didn't go into the reaction that you have of being like this is a little too trickly. - Yeah. - Like it is very sentimental and earnest, but they don't get to the moon, you know? - No. I don't fit the way I felt when I saw this movie in '95, I feel completely differently when I watch it now from getting older. I'm the same person who watched "Hardball" this week and got choked up when she baby died again. Even though I already knew it was gonna happen, I still can't believe that did that. We're gonna take a break when we try to figure out the most rewatchable scene. - This episode is brought to you by chat GPT. Imagine you're running a professional sports team. Nice, that would be a dream, man. Imagine the player contract report is due today. Not so nice. You've got performance notes from the coaching staff, you've got a salary spreadsheet from your analyst, three rounds and back and forth emails with the agent and all of it is scattered absolutely everywhere. Well, that's where chat GPT work comes in. It's a new way to use chat GPT for bigger multi-step projects. Give chat GPT work access to your apps and files and can create real work documents. For instance, spreadsheets, slides, structured reports. 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I mean, it is like basic expository writing, but like done definitely with emotion. It's a good kid. - Denise gets grabbed from the mission. We talked about that one. - Yeah. - Bacon can't fall off, I guess Jack, I call him Kevin Bacon. He can't pull off the test mission. - Right. - Came in too steep or dead. - Love is it so hard. - Let's do it again. The launch, where we get Ed Harris. I'm giving Ed Harris the Todd Parker word for best character entrance. Just comes right in. - Yeah. - It's where he's pointing around. He's already waiting 30 minutes to show us Ed Harris is one of the master's shows. - It comes in like Jaws. - Yeah. - Everyone watches the take off and then we get an abort switch and all kinds of fun stuff. Jack docking the Apollo 13 into the little cone area. - Get it rookie. - Yeah, exciting stuff. - Get it rookie. Houston, we have a problem. Also, we got oxygen spitting out of the ship. - Oh my God, it's very stressful. And then the moment when they actually Houston, we seem to be leaking something and then the score, all the noise cuts out as you said. And it's, you know, it's real bad. - And then we get Ron Howard's brother who is in every Ron Howard movie. And it's usually either awkward or it's like, oh, they really shoehorned up in there and it's gotta keep hard here. Jean Fihata say is dying. - And he explains that whole thing. - For my chair, this is the only option. Or this is our last option. - Turns out it wasn't a good option. - No. - Then we get that we just lost the moon. Poor Hanks. Jim's staring at the moon thinking about being on it. I just wrote down for the next one. Everyone gets mad at each other. - Yeah. - Which did find out how to celebrate. - Yes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's done happen, but I liked it. - It's really good. - A little bit of Hollywood drama. It's like, let's have one little moment of friction. - But it is more unbelievable that they would not get mad at each other. And way less movie and way less relatable. - Howard said he took some shit from the astronaut community about a couple of things. And he was just like, look, man, I'm making a movie. - Yeah. - I gotta like a couple of times gotta Hollywood up a little bit. The CO2 fixing. - This is the one. - This is my number one as well. - It's me too. Come on, it's so great. - I've been waiting my whole life for somebody be like, you need to fit this into this with nothing but that. - Nothing but that. - Right, I got none of that. The closest I would get is say, like Bill, when you have me on the pod, you're like, we're doing an NBA mailbag, but you don't get the questions in advance. That's me building the CO2 filter. - Yeah. - But this is closest again. - And yet you love it. I love the rush. - I do feel like I think about this scene anytime I'm in a situation where I have a problem I need to solve and I don't have all of the resources that I personally would like to have. And I'm like, well, I just gotta solve it. This, into this, using all of that. And I'm like, if they could do it and they even rip a plastic bag, but they have one left and they make it work. So I can do it too. - I also, you know, doing the zero G and all that stuff where, but it's frantic and they're trying to figure it out. And these guys are just diving through and it's really compelling to watch. This isn't, I should have mentioned this earlier. This is a movie that was really, another one really helped up by the TVs. The TV's going wide on the rewatches. This is a big one. This was much harder with the square and less fun to watch. They're gonna burn the engine and steer it manually. This is my next scene. - Oh, yeah. - Let's fucking go. What are we doing? - We're just keeping it out the window. - Keep it in the window. - That's me, sorry, oh, no, no, no, no, no. - You better get your gimbal straight, you know? Like, you better come correct with this thing. - Our guy, Ken saves the day. And then the last one, which I think is probably the answer is the atmosphere reentry. - I mean, yeah, the reentry, right? - It's like one of the best five or six minutes. - But you need to rewatch everything for it to really hit that. - Yeah, I don't know. Once you have Edgar saying with respect, I believe it'll be our finest hour. And then straight into them, you know, saying goodbye to each other. And then the wait. And, you know, you hit three minutes and the countdown from like three minutes to four minutes and the flashing to all the people. And it's quiet. - I mean, unbelievable stuff. - And it's almost real time. - Every time. - Yeah. - And quailin just breaking out faces. - And not cry. - It's great stuff. With all due respect, sorry, I think this is gonna be our finest hour. Cuts to Joe Spano. Cuts back to Ed. Still holding a glare for like an extra second and a half. And then goes back to work. I love that he really just buys into it. - I mean, all Nixon's like, what are the fan dual odds on these dudes dying? - Just tell them three to one. - I gotta say Harris and Sunise are just fucking cooking in this scene. Sunise is great. I like the, the, I mean, is anything on the planet better than a control room celebration? - No, that, that shot. - All-time goose bumper. - Like even the, the editing on that is so good 'cause it gives like a quarter of a second and so you get to watch them erupt into applause. It's really beautiful. It doesn't work as well at the NFL draft. When they make the pick and they try to do the control room celebration, but they all know what the pick was gonna be. So they'd never NBA drafts even worse. - No, it's just a bunch of guys and quarter zips like, they haven't really, they haven't staged it. The cinematography is not on par with all those 13. - There's no good music, yeah. - Gentlemen, it's been a privilege flying with you. - I can't. - So what do you got? What's your most rewatchable CO? - I think it's the carbon dioxide filter for me, the fix. - I was gonna say CO2 but now that we've re-entered the atmosphere, I think that I'm gonna be corny and say that that's the best. - It has to be re-entering the atmosphere, but if we can have like a favorite versus a most re-watchable, then re-entering the atmosphere is the most re-watchable and like the favorite is CO2 filters. - Also when they re-entered the atmosphere, you get to have that whole mental conversation with yourself. Like how the fuck did they do this? - On genuinely. - The 4,000 degrees of heat, like how did this survive? What was your most re-watchable? - Re-entry, it's gotta be re-entry. - Yeah. - Yeah, I voted. - When Hanks lets Bacon take the pilot seat, when Hanks is like, oh, sorry, I have it. - Yeah. - To have it. You sit here, you're like, fuck yeah. - Yeah. - And then the sign that he's taped on it saying no on the button for the limb. - I also, like, as Bill Paxen slowly dies during this movie. And then at the end, when they land, Hanks, like, oh, fuck, oh, fuck. - Yeah. - This guy is like, really close to that. - Even when Hanks is hugging him to warm up. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What's the most 1995 thing about this movie? I could offer you pretty bad opening graphics for the movie. Like I was kind of startled, but usually about the mid 90s, we had better like movie graphics. I just wasn't impressed. Mid 90s Tom Hanks skinny face with the receding airline. But I'm going with the most white cast possible. I just don't think, I think even 10 years later, they're like, hey, I noticed she have 299 actors in this and 298 are white. - What is portraying 1977? - Yeah. - Well, yeah, they could have still, and then there is-- - They could have moved the couple. - They didn't even think of it as my point of view. - I think here's a side if we do this now. - Sure, sure. - Yeah. There is one black man working at the retirement homes. - As an orderly. - The Mrs. level yells at a lot, which is it's not a great look. - So I think that's the answer because in 1995, nobody was like, hey, just a note. I noticed this. The Floyd Gundallee butter on my ass and lollipops on my mouth the word. Have we had this since you-- - No, I don't think so. - But for something you just enjoy, what do you have? - Sure, the white vest. I couldn't get it on Amazon here in time. And it also has a special Apollo 13 patch, so just a random white vest. - The Adhares vest? - Yeah, of course. - There is a wife made for him. - Yeah, she makes one for every mission. But he does a lot of acting with the vest and in moments of emphasis, he pulls it down. I think it's a great prop and it tickles me. - That's another Adhares trick with the-- - Oh, yeah. Really tightening the tie. There's gum chewing, really significant gum chewing in certain scenes. They do little stuff like that. - How have you never gotten to how a white vest? - How is that not a thing? - Think about it. - Liz gives me a new vest every year for my fantasy draft. - Oh, good. - There we go. - What do you have for Floyd? - I think it's the muse. Oh, wait, yeah. This is something you just enjoy. I think it's the scene where Hank's refuses to look out at Mount Maryland on the moon. And some of it's like, I'm never 100% sure what his hesitation is. Is it like, this is a down moment and he doesn't think they're going to get home? Is it like, I need to stay absolutely focused? Like, what is it because of just the disappointment that he won't be able to walk on it? But there's something inscrutable about him there that I just find like intoxicating in this movie. - I've seen it. - I have the guy who got left behind, which works in sports movies, astronaut movies, war movies. But in Miracle, the movie that they made about the 1988 U.S. Olympic hockey team, the guy at the last cut, Ralph Cox, didn't get to be in the team. But he's like an alternate, just in case. And he's just kind of behind watching everything. I think that always works. - This is also like Rudy is more or less the guy who got left behind. - Well, for a while, yeah. - But then he gets in, but that's the point. You know? - I wish there was a ringer person. We just never hired who just, they just cut to him every once in a while. So he was so close. So close for years and years. Just couldn't make it. What's the age of best? I would say it's fantastic to be the winner, right? - It's unreal. - That's, and I know it came from the mission, but then I got a reboot with the-- - They cleaned it up. - It's like, yeah. - Okay, Houston, we have a problem. It was like a little clunkier on actual-- - We've had a problem. - Yes, yeah. But in '95, before memes, we were saying this to each other. I know, Craig, remember that, and you don't. Maybe even you don't, Rob. - I remember pre-meaning. - Yeah, come on. - Yeah, this is-- - It was like happy meal toys in Houston. We've had a problem. That was my playground childhood. - Well, Rob and I go further with it because-- - Oh my god. - By the way, the air conditioning switched to 73 and I just put it back to '68. So it was about to get hot in there. - We're on a reentry. - Okay, good. All right. - So yeah, the CO2 before we start breathing, next to the water is gonna be going out. It's crazy. - Rob and I, with Houston, we have a problem, became just a sports thing. - Oh, yeah. - Sure, yeah. - Anytime the rocket sub-loss three-row Houston, we have a, like, it's the most beaten-to-death thing in sports, probably. - How many basketball blogs have been written with that text or subtext? Like, it's there every single time. - Like, the rockets last year, when it started going wrong with the rant. So anyway, it's just, it will never end. A couple more. Apollo 13, the 13 being bad luck. - Yeah. - They do a nice job in the first 30 minutes of being like, this number 13. - A lot of weeks going on. - I had to be lucky 13. - You could believe in that or no. - Hmm. - I don't. - You thought about it though. - I thought about it. And this honestly makes a very compelling case. I wanted to revisit this in unanswered questions because they take off at 13.13 p.m. - Yeah. - And they enter the Earth's orbit on April 13th. - They're kind of, I had to say so worse. They kind of caught the 13 in a weird way. They're like, bring it on 13. We're gonna land on 13.13. I'm 13, fuck you. - They're making jokes about it. - Yeah. - Yeah, 13 was like, oh yeah, okay. Watch this. - You've got to live your life without superstition. But to your point, bringing it in like really, really courting the 13 is almost leaning into the superstition. - So I'm a 13 guy. - You are. - I'm a 13. I remember one of the places I worked during my bartending, waitering days. I was server number 13. And I felt like it was good luck. And then my wife's birthday is on the 13th. - Okay. - Everyone's a while. It's a Friday the 13th. Guess what? She's fine. She's still alive. - Yeah. And I like the Friday the 13th series. - Sure. - There's been some good 13s in sports. - So big. - I'm not afraid to think 13 guys. - You know who else is very pro 13? Taylor Swift. - That's another good one. - That's one of her numbers. - That's what I was talking about at the wedding. Same thing. Like she was telling me. - I think I went 27 seconds on the Instagram. You got me. And I was like, I know. - What was that time, four and a half minutes? - I know. - You know what? Honestly, I would have kept it going for five minutes. But it was just the wrong person to do it too. He was so confused. But now he's spent his whole summer with people torturing him about it. - It was good. It was good content. - People go, I have to be like, I've got to tell you about Taylor Swift's writing. He's like, yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - Okay. What stage is the best? I could eat the ass out of a dead rhinoceros. - Really good. - Apparently given to Paxton from Gary Busy, who was visiting the set that day. And he used it in point break three years or four years ago. - Oh my god. - Before that. - Well, let's say it's the best, the score. We didn't mention James Horner. - It's a name for Oscar. - It's unbelievable. - Yeah, really good. - And also Annie Lennox doing the voices. - Yeah. - Which, you know, what's most 1995 thing about this movie. No, it's beautiful. It's referenced a lot in other movie scores now. It used to play in the arc light in the dome. - Yeah. - And I would start crying. It's very powerful. - It's a really good one. - It's also simple and straightforward in a way that it's referenced. But it's like, everyone has to have a take or an iteration. We can't make a serious movie now unless Ludwig Gornson is making a flute out of a human bone. And this is just like big, swelling, orchestral score with some voices. - There's a lonely trumpet, you know? - For sure. - Oh, absolutely. - It's a very, it's very like West Wingey to me and it's in its instrumentation, for sure. Or I guess vice versa. - Well, it saves the best. Loving supportive wives. - Yeah. - I just did that as a joke for Amanda. - Okay, sure. Well, well, look at that. Any movie where Ed Harris has to wear a two-pay. (laughing) 'Cause we know his hair situation. But this one was like, it's blonde. I gotta say that the back of it's a little darker. Like there's a couple. - Yeah. - Points where you're like, eh. - Well, just. - But I like when he has hair. It's funny. - The geometry of men's haircuts. - Yeah. - In the late 60s or early 70s. And specifically in this film. - I love it. - It's very square. - Yeah. - And so I guess they needed to add something in order to make his round head a square as everybody else. Because no one, very few egg heads. - It's all like military cut. - Yeah. - High and tight all the way around. - I have the Hanks and Sinees reunion, which you mentioned. And the best use ever of Clint Howard. Those are my woodstates the best. - How about the Walter Cronkite archival footage? - It's great. - When he takes his glasses off. And they cut to him taking his glasses off right before Neil Armstrong steps on the moon. You're like, oh, wow. Images and history is powerful. It's so good. - Yeah. Can I give you? Oh, please. Can I give you a what's AIDS the best? Yeah. Literally, the astronauts have aged so well. Astronauts live so long. Fred Hayes is still alive. Jim Lovell just died last year. He was 97. Yeah. Buzz Aldrin is still alive. Yeah. They're all in their fucking mid 90s. The astronauts live forever. So what do you think outer space like gave them extra strength or that take care of their bodies better? Yes. What is it? What do you think space is doing for them? I know. I have to bring conspiracy behind for this. Oh, it's amazing. Did they give them extra stuff? I think that's what it is. You think there's something on the far side of the moon? I have to see a two, even that whole episode for three hours would have shortened their lives by 10 years. Yeah. It was like bad for your brain. Was Fred Hayes sick in real life? I don't know. I don't know. No, Fred Hayes in on the mission, he had a urinary tract infection from how they had to be in the thing. It hurts when I think. Yeah. Right. Okay. That's what it was. So, and those can get real, really serious. But even that, he's doing okay. The real answer, unfortunately, is less, less interesting. I thought it was. They got some special magic space dust that made them live forever. Apparently, one astronauts have to be very physically fit in general, like you're already the.01%. Right. They also, they monitor you for your whole life and you get health checkups yearly by NASA forever. Oh, because you're kind of a guinea pig. I think they wanted to make like see what's going on. So like sure. Anything that's wrong with you is detected immediately. Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. Should we start doing that? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not giving them my biometric data. Absolutely not. Ripping it off. What do you have for what's the best? Slingshotting around the moon, which they, I think they do in the Martian, do it in everything. And they do in everything. Like I get that technology. Yeah. Like, you know, it makes sense. But I understand gravity. So good job. So Isaac Newton. Take the wheel. Thank you to the moon. Hanks is polo shirts or gym levels polo shirts. I think, I think that needs to come back, you know, he looks great. They're the right fit. Not Mrs. Lovell's hair. Not Mrs. Lovell's hair. Not necessarily polo shirts. Really the only short sleeve shirt that I would endorse. Not enough short sleeve polo is too many short sleeve dress shirts going on in mission control. That's true. That we don't we want to long sleeve there and a short sleeve polo, but he looks good. And then having to turn things on in the right order to make them work. Just like my internet, just like anything else, you know, even though when he has the no button, I would have just ejected his person. You got to save all for last. We have a no, but there's a very specific order else this technology is not going to work. They still have not figured that out. Any more? I'm going to move on. How about getting together to watch a world event that is not a sport? I wish we would do this more. I wish there were more things we could do it like a like a party of just like if we did good things. Now it's like the Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight. Maybe I'll get together before we're landing on the moon. I don't know. Going backwards. Yeah. Great shot quarterback. What do you have? I think that wide shot of the control room. I had the same thing. It's really great. It's perfect. And to Craig's point, like it can look very bad as evidenced by all the draft night reaction shots, which even I'm in a dominance of seeing. It's amazing. I like he has the camera. It's not straight on. It's the side. So it's a wide angle. And you can see they built that control room. It's not the. Apparently NASA offered it to them and they didn't run out of want to build his own one. We're practical that way. Big Gooner burger were best use of food and drink. I was going to say the Jello in space when they're making the home movie. Oh, good. Yeah. And they're doing like the Jello and he's trying to get it. I think I would do that. What else are you going to do? You're in space. No TV. Anything. Yeah. They don't they don't really eat a lot or talk about the food that they're eating. They talk about their water rations. No act because they don't want to make number two's. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, they're trying to. Well, if we can invert the question, is it actually the vomit in space, like the zero G vomit? I think it's like a great showcase for the visual effects. It's disgusting, but it works and is like kind of shocking to see. In one of the was like oral history, one of the features they talked about when they're doing the zero G, the three guys did not get sick. They took like a whole bunch of shit, but none of them got sick. And a couple of the crew members did and one crew member puked and the puke went zero G and hit packs them on the top of the head and they had to stop and he was like, oh, just clean it up. Let's go. Yeah. But yeah, so the puke and slow motion, what would be worse? They very probably a couple of things, but it's up there. Yeah. Kid Cuddy pursued to happen. So we're best need no job. They put that spirit in the sky song. I think that's true. That's got to be the winner. Was there a better title for this movie? I don't think so. I like how dialed back it is. Yeah. I don't think so either. Because you don't want to step on Houston. We have a problem. Also, Houston, we have a problem is like a very internetty. It's true. You know, in 2026, that's what they would, you know, name it for SEO or social purposes. Do you think they knew? Like, do you think they knew the heat they had with Houston? We have a problem. Well, they edited it from real life. So yes. Yeah. But it's like, I mean, the idea that this is so good, we're going to make it potentially the title of the movie that it will be the thing that endures. And now there's TikTok edits like Houston was a problem. Mandy of Flex category. I do. This is a specific one, but it is, it's true to my heart. So I'm doing the Billy Bats Jack Wolts Award for Biting Scable and so on. This is Flight Surgeon Horset, deep, which is, I think, is a very usable phrase for any time you are dealing with administrative nonsense. For example, I had some Flight Surgeon Horset just the other day with my kids school forms. You have some Flight Surgeon Horset when the TSA name doesn't match the airplane. There are just many times when people are standing in your way or not even people, but dumb rules. Anytime you're in Europe, it's Flight Surgeon Horset. I think it's great. Pretty good. Especially for a mild mannered gym level at this point. That's like the one time he yells before they get in the shuttle for Flight Surgeon Horset. Yeah. Which is girlfriend award. We link in the film. What do you got Rob? I think it's the teenagers. My exact answer. So the, the young kids, the young kids are good. Like the little boy who type out the door or other sister's older sister. This son, I remember at age 11, we got to get him out of here. He was so handsome. I thought he was so cute when I was 11, but like, he doesn't have Hank's power of the moding and close up and they cut to him a lot during reentry and he's still very cute. I hope he's well. This is where I think if they did make it today, they would be incredibly attentive to every detail in the space shuttle, but they would consolidate four kids to like two or three kids. Like we got to simplify the family situation here. There's just, we don't need to fly to those. Is there Jim's mom, she's out. I think they have, they go from four kids to two. You're taking out Jim's mom. I think everybody's out. We're in the space. I'm going to get a washing machine to fly. No one's directing this. No one's directing it. All of the women are dying. That's true. And I like the honesty very much. But like, yeah, you have fewer shots of Maryland. Can she be opposite her radio more often? You know, there's ways to nullify this, but that's messed up. You're taking out his mom. I had a, I think it's funny when they have Neil Armstrong come over and they put him on my mom. That's the pain for the mom. Did Jim make Eagle Scout? That's really funny to me. Jimmy could land a washing machine. I'm so good. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't need it. She's flinty. The movie's two hours 20 minutes. We can cut some family. I have a, for Butch's girlfriend. It's funny. I don't like that. There's no reunion ending. Oh. So they land. Everything's great. Yeah. Then we see them on the plane. And they're dressed in the, but obviously they're not home. Yeah. On the aircraft carrier. So they get greeted by people. I don't know. Like I would have much rather. They landed in Houston and. We had. Yeah. Sinese and Hank's and Sinese and like basically like the top gun ending. Yeah. But I'm, I'm corny and I, I like stupid shit. I just would have rather had that then. Hey, here's some strangers greeting you. Well, they traded it for a different kind of cornyness, which I think like the admiral of that ship that you have a lingering shot of Hank's with is Jim, right? Real life, Jim. Yeah. So like you're getting that kind of moment instead of the character closure a little bit. I think it's good that they don't prolong it because then you run the risk of having to say more of the feelings and the takeaways. And even in that very brief voiceover, he says that we were called the successful failure in that we. So you win him one of the older daughter one more time, like, right? And I'm just like the more that you actually have to show the emotional moments then. I just kind of wanted to see, so I wish the needs had been in the last scene, but he's so great. His reaction in reentry and hair is just had a dart and it's good. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have a weak link or now? I also the kids. Okay. What's age to worst? I mentioned this earlier, but Apollo 13 just leaning in the 13 for no reason, just kind of tempting the 13 gods. There's a couple of fade to black jump cuts. Yes. That just would not happen now. Like, it's kind of, I thought my inner little lazy. Yeah. Yeah. Kathy Clinton's haircoat we mentioned. I wrote get the grandmother out of here with three exclamation points, but Rob disagrees. I'm coming back. I'm kind of with Rob on this just for the. Play by Ron Howard's. Yeah. This is a classic Judd Apatow. I'm just going to start putting my family in here. So yeah. Oh, I had the oldest daughter's ugly cry face. My big one was for what's age to worse, poor Jack in real life gets kind of kind of. crushed by this movie. Makes it seem like he's unprepared and he's like a cat. - Oh, the real Jack Spiger. - Yeah, and I get it, but this is the problem with based on a true story. He even though it was accurate, but everyone says Jack was super familiar with all this stuff. He was basically like the backup QB on the crew. It wasn't like, it was like, oh shit, we gotta throw him in. And I don't know, if I was in his family, this movie would piss me off. Like why'd they do that to dad? - Maybe he would have gotten more simulator time. If Sunise wasn't such a perfectionist, and it's like, we gotta run it again. - Right, right, right, right, right, right. - I mean, what do you expect? Do you even let him get in the machine? - Yeah, I don't, this makes it seem like when you watch this, did you feel like Jack was kind of like the wild card? - Well, one of my notes was that, I wanted to ask if that was real or not, that this guy was actually kind of underprepared. Because it was, what was he was preparing? Why would they ever allow that? This guy just to come in. Why wouldn't they just push the launch? - Always a tough beat in these autobiographical movies when they have to Hollywood up one in the characters. - Right. - I mean, the ASC championship. If you can push that, you're doing it. - What do you have for what's his worst? - Well, I already said the heat shield. - Yeah. - And then, apparently we haven't locked that down though everyone's okay. And I will say the VFX, some of the paint chips fallen off the Saturn V launch. You can tell now the further we get from it, the more you can see the very small effects. But it's really small and they do so much of it in camera that I shouldn't complain. - Yeah. For me, it's the teenage daughter again, specifically blaming Paul for breaking up the Beatles. No. - Yeah. - Real ones know it's Alan Sond. - Tough character. - Come on. - Has there ever been a movie like this where they have the 13 where she's like 13, 14, 12? - Yeah. - Has that character ever been likeable in any movie ever? - It's a tough part. 'Cause I don't feel like I could have liked my daughter when she was 13. - I don't remember her. - There's the Moneyball daughter. - Oh, that's a really good character. - She might only be 10. - She's only younger than her. - Yeah, but she's like 10. - There are people who like that's the most maligned part of the movie for some people. It works on me. The song hits me hard in the end. - People aren't girl dads. - I mean, it's true. Come on. - I'm just a little bit caught in the middle, you know? - I've been rewatching Homeland, speaking of teenage daughters. (laughs) - It gets really tough. - Actually, that's when the Americans, the teenagers on the Americans, I feel like they're actually quite good. It can be done. It's just, it's tough. - You gotta get more life to do to make it work. - Gilmaw Girls, no. Everyone is very mean about Rory. - It's don't think we've figured this out. - Yeah. - Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Partridge overacting. I wrote down, and this is Flight Surgeon Horset! (laughs) - It's not overacting. That's perfect. - I forgot to look up Henry, the press officer's name. - Yeah. - But that actor is leaning a little too hard into, I'm the evil press officer, you know? He is quite too faced, and I don't feel that NASA was managing the family and as well as they could have. But, you know, Henry really took every opportunity - Yeah, we're looking for anybody who just was in a nice guy room for the mission. Taking one more break, and then Rob's got a flex. Rob, you have a flex. - I am going to put some respect on Gene Speagles' name, because I did the Estelle Reiner. I'll have what she's having a word for the best contribution by a performer with two or fewer lines. Not only because it fits the criteria of the award, but the spirit, right? Like casting your own mom, A la Estelle Reiner, to do basically two lines in this movie. And specifically, if you could get a washing machine to fly, my Jimmy could do it. I'm legit like tearing up at that moment. I can't explain to you why, but the inversion of like the little girl crying into grandma who just had a stroke giving you all the confidence you need to run through a wall. I love it. I love the nepotism is what I'm saying. - Took, took out her, took out her false teeth. - Took, could say Howard was worried she didn't look old enough and she, the his mom literally took out her, her dangerous. - It's incredible. - Yeah, you can kind of see it. - It runs in the family. - For a crime like a question and thing. - But there are really so many Howard's in this movie. Like Clint is in it, we talked about Ron Howard's dad's and it Bryce is in here somewhere. Like there's, I think Ron Howard's wife is in here somewhere. He perfected the art. - This is a family movie. - It is. - Yeah, listen, as somebody, my daughter's been on my podcast like 25 times, I can't really say anything. - Yeah. - I'm just gonna move on to next time. - My son wants to do a podcast with Little Caesar about pizza. He's for, little Caesar himself. - Pizza, pizza, yes. That's what it's called. - With, listen. - Ooh, Amanda has, we never get to do this category of Amanda here. - Yeah, it's really exciting. - The Amanda Davids award for best piece of real estate, tough movie for this category. - Can I just say, every time you do it, even if I'm not here, I feel understood and loved. So thank you for this category. Also, there's a great answer, Mount Maryland. - It's the moon. - Yeah. - Mount Maryland. No, it is Mount Maryland. - Just specifically Mount Maryland. - Yeah, name a piece of space after me. Okay, and not one of the stars you buy in the star directory. There are, you know, infinity of those. Give me a landmark on the moon. Mount Amanda, the sea of Amanda. Let's go. - Pretty good. - We did. - See, I can always find the real estate opportunity. We did speed and I think we handed out the Davids real estate for Hopper's house that he blows up in that movie. It's got a really nice corner lot. One story, nice views, blows it up. - Yeah, it's tough. - The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word, what do you got? - I think when the Soviet Union fell that America fell too. Like, we are clearly capable of doing cool things. But we need a rival like we need to feel the heat from the other side of the planet. - Right, super power all the way over there to work against, we just don't do that anymore. We're unfocused, we're unharmed, we're like completely uninterested. We have lost the stakes of everything. I just think we need to do cool things again. Kennedy was like by the end of the decade, we're making it to the moon. And we did it not because it was easy or because it was hard, but because it was a race, we decided we need to fucking win so challenge. I just think we need rivals, you know? - Okay. - We spent 30 years running up the score against Noah. - Really good. It's really good. - Mine is tangentially related. This movie should just make people respect Elon Musk more. You know, he cares about getting into space. - Jesus Christ. - Put some respect in that guy's name. How to take? He cares about electric cars. - Yeah. - Goodness to the moon, communicating. - Is he trying to get, is he trying to get to the moon? I have to be honest, I have not followed SpaceX. - Exactly what he wants to do with SpaceX. - SpaceX is putting satellites. - Yeah, Mars. - He's supposed to be on Mars. - Mars. - And Bayzo. - Oh yeah, I'm interested in Mars. - We do need to get to Mars. - Yeah, let's do it. - What's up? - What's up? - What's up? - What's up? - What's up? - What's up? - Matt Damon's saying we're going to Mars. And then we're right. - This is what I'm saying. Like we crossed an ocean, we fought for independence, we pioneered the west, we shot ourselves into the sky, we need boots on Mars for any reason that we decide. - Yeah. - What do you have for how to stick? - I already did mine, two for one. - Oh that's where you did your journey. - Yeah. - Casting what ifs, mentioned costar. Hank's turned down Jumanji to be nice. - Good decision sir. - Smart move. This is honestly, it could almost be its own category. One of my favorite casting what ifs we had in a while. Because of his interest in aviation, John Chivalta asked Howard for the role of gym level. He was politely turned down. But would this be before pulp fiction? - After. - Or after, right? - After, right? - Well, better than before, you know. Did you see John Chivalta's 60 minute film about aviation that, of course that can, full festival, it's available on Apple TV? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, this series of movies. - Is it called like I am a pilot? What's it called? Something like that. It's an adaptation of the children and or young adults book that he himself wrote about a child's first airplane trip. It's really not a movie, but I did watch all of it. And I think they filmed at the TWA hotel in part. - We just don't spend enough time talking about how crazy some of our favorite actors are. - What I'm learning is a lot of men of a certain age love aviation. Like is this the head of all of us? I don't really know. - It's like the last way they can feel alive. Maybe he's just flipping a plane around. Premiere magazine right there, which I read the article about Apollo 13. They said Chivalta also lost out to Ed Harris for gene. That's the right decision, but I'm sure that hurt. - It would have been some good Chivalta faces though. I wonder if he would have smoked. I love when Chivalta smokes. Like he's clearly never held cigarettes. John Qsack, Patrick Swayze, Joe Pesci and Rick Moranis, according to half-ass learning of research. We're all offered the role of Fred and I'll turn it down and went to Bill Paxton. - Okay. - I don't know if I can fully believe that Joe Pesci is Fred. That one didn't pass the sniff test for me. Joe Pesci is going to be one of the three astronauts on Apollo 13. - As a cut-up maybe. Like the comedic energy I could come up with. - It's in the control room. - Yeah. - But not in the spaceship. - I can't stand with the haircut. - No. - I'm seeing Rick Moranis either. - No. - Rick Moranis as Clint Howard, like in the control room would be great. - Yeah. - This one I did believe Brad Pitt offered the role of Jack but turned it down because of Seven. - I was wondering about this. - It worked out for everybody. I think that's the right decision and he would have been too distracting. - Yeah, who he didn't work out for. - Who? - What's in the box? (laughing) What's in the box? - Apparently Val Comar also turned down Jack. He was filming the ghost of the darkness. - What's also a little too iceman, but. - I don't know. - Yeah. - Decent Val Comar vehicle. - Sorry. - Would have been sure. I don't know if I believe this, but Kelsey Grimmer and Christopher Lloyd turned down Jean. Christopher Lloyd, mid 90s Christopher Lloyd is Jean. We can't do none of those. I don't believe no. Joey Panzerwort for Best That Guy. Our guy Todd Luizzo is in this, the man he from Jury McGuire is in the control room. Yeah. Clint Howard. Lauren Dean. Is he that guy? Is he Lauren Dean? I think he is. Is he that well known? To me, he's just the detective from Gatica. And he was what? Bugsie, one of those. For me, for my generation is Joe Spano, the guy that Ed Harris side-ed because he was an actual cast member of the Hill Street Blues, which was the best TV drama. From like 1980 to 180, if there's a TV drama championship belt, it has it for like five years. And he was on that show, and you just see him. It's like, "Oh, that guy from Most Street Blues." But I think the answer is Todd Luizzo. He's a good one. Okay. And Clint Howard is too well known to-- I think he's Clint Howard. Okay. What about-- There's a couple others. I don't even know the guy's names. Yeah. Well, I mean, to me, all of the control room is that that guy going forward, where I'm like, "Oh, it's that guy from the control room in Apollo 6." Because there's one guy that kind of looks like Dennis Leary. He's a that guy. I don't know what his name is. Yeah. Sure. He's on the catcom at some point. Yeah. That guy's good. And then the kind of that, the handsome guy who's working with Gene Harris, and it's like he's something a little sinister about him, but he's holding it in. Yeah. I don't know what that guy's name is. DM Waiters' word. I narrowed it down to Clint Howard, Jim's mom, and Walter Cronkite. Okay. Walter Cronkite, eligible. Walter Cronkite, then. He steals the show. I think it's Cronkite. Yeah. And he's also, so I guess the, is the footage of this science expert that they keep cutting to new, or is that real? I think all that TV stuff was old. I thought so. But you're a resident scientist. You know the one who's bringing the heat shields. There is. There is a man. Yeah. Well, when he was sitting there with the blowtorch, I was kind of like, I can't believe that they are allowing this fake science experiment on live TV in 1970. I will say as a child of the 70s, whenever these people were on TV, you just completely assume that they knew what they were talking about and you believe them 100% never doubted their information. And you still feel that way today? No, I do not. I do not. Somehow probably turned near by the end of the 80s. Okay. But in the 70s of one of those people came on, I'm like, yeah, that's just, it's Bob. This is what he does, recasting couch director city. I have a really good one for this, but did you guys have anything? Is there anybody who would change? Maybe I'm just gene-pilled, but like, what about Gene Hackman for Gene? What if you swap Gene Hackman for Ed Harris? Is he too. As a gene? Is the energy off? Is he like a little too shadowy, mysterious, nefarious for that part? Is this. What year is Crimson Tide? Before this. This is before this. I'm not going to say no, Gene Hackman's a bad choice because I love Gene Hackman. Same year, Crimson Tide. Oh, interesting. Oh, okay. I don't know how to say that. I really do love Ed Harris and this though. I mean, it's an impeccably cast movie, I think, for the most part. So it's hard to find. I wonder if the big one could we have gone one level up from Stardom with that one? I think Brad Pitt is the one level up from Stardom. Although at this point, it's like 12-month-old. He's Brad Pitt. Like, you need hangs in the center. Can you get in the car with me and test drive? Tom Cruise is Jack. Just for splits. I think we absolutely need playing a 60s cad. Yes. Wow. I mean, I say yes to that. Being Tom Cruise, tell me he couldn't do when you feel the beer bottle sliding just right in monologue. I think the question with him is, would you believe the like crisis of confidence part that Kevin Bacon had? With Tom Cruise? He's like scared to flip switches at a certain point. I don't know if I would buy that with Cruise, but I would like to see. You could see him getting mad about they're coming into shallow and I'll just hold my breath and all that stuff. I have one more. Kathy for Jack Ross. We already said that we appreciate Kathy and Quinlan in this role. And maybe Julianne Moore is a little too young for it, but I just imagine Julianne Moore doing. You can take it up with my husband, give me home on Friday. I would enjoy it. That's really good. That's all. Every time you do it somehow. I have for recasting Denzel's character from Flight in the Jack in the Kevin Bacon part where he's like, he shows up for the mission, but he's fucking been doing cocaine and having sex all night. He hasn't slept. And he's that age too. And Jim's like, the banana boats are coming. Three company now big dog, a couple of shooters floating around here, oh my god, Craig, you have a flex. What do you got? Uh, I'm going to do Todd Parker award, best character entrance, but like understated edition. I really like when they're just like buzz and kneeler here, and you're like, Oh, shit. You don't need to say the full name. And just like it ups the stakes so much the movie like you really feel the weight when like they come in the living room, sit down and just cross their arms and watch the screen. You're like, all right. Yeah. Seven. Those guys are so fucking cool. There's that video of Buzz Aldrin punching the guy when he's old. Yeah. When Buzz is old, the neck eyes harassing him and buzz just like cold cocks are incredible. It's the best. He's like, what? Cause it was a moon landing, didn't I? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, half of us in our research, we mentioned Spielberg. They filmed for four hours basically in the zero G doing zero G maneuvers, which sounds that. I mean, the Odyssey is a 10 out of 10 for what sounds like the worst shoot. Yeah. Being on the boat and stuff. This sounds like a nine and a half. So this was that, so they would take off in the quote unquote comment column. Fly around. Right. And they had like 20, 25 seconds of zero G. Yeah. And then they went again. Four hours. That sounds a lot. Sounds a lot easier just to do tango and cash. Um, they universal studio. They had two life size replicas of the command module and the lunar module. They lowered the spaceship stuff to 38 degrees. So it was really that cold in there. Okay. The splash down secrets at the end when they rescue hangs. Where do you think that took place? I know the answer. So, where do you think that took place? Santa Barbara. Where is it? San Diego. A large artificial lake on the universal line. No way. I know. But now I really want to go find the lake on the line. Where's the artificial lake on the universal line? Is it like behind Bates Motel, which is still there? I want to check it out. Okay. Is that on the tour? I don't know. That job comes out of the artificial lake. She see Jim being rescued. Um, oh, the Iwo Jima, USS Iwo Jima did not exist anymore when they did Apollo 13. So they had to use it's sister ship, the New Orleans. Okay. And then, uh, bacon was in the oral history, it was raving about when they all went to you as space camp, house smart, um, hangs was, and he said bill packs too, but really hangs, like learning all this stuff. And he was like, that guy could have flown a fucking rocket, like hangs was like just absorbing everything like a absolute maniac. I mean, he really clearly wants to be an astronaut. Yeah. Yeah. He said, and they were taught all these things. They really wanted them to be like the buttons second hand. So it felt real and hangs took it seriously. Not like Tom Cruise learning how to flip beer bottles and cocktail, but close. Close. Right. I had one that blew my mind, which is I didn't, it really crystallized for me until watching it this time, that this movie invented the phrase failure is not an option. Hmm. Like, yeah, to a degree that Jean Cranes, the actual guy who ran mission control, became so associated with him. He never said it. It was something that came up as they were talking to other mission control people researching for this movie. And someone just kind of mentioned it offhand. They're like, basically, the vibe was failure is not an option, but it was not a phrase in the lexicon. It became so associated with Jean Cranes. He titled his own book, something he did not say failure is not an option. I mean, pretty insane. That's good branding. I think you go like, yeah, I did, I think I did say that. I may have. Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere in there. Kind of vaguely remember that. But then the transcripts. Right. So then you get at it as a liar. Yeah. I remember saying to somebody, I think it's cool or just to say, hey, that's a good line. I'll do it. I accept. Well, that was one of the things in the half-ass was Jean is the only person in charge of everything in the control room for like however many days. And there was another guy named Glenn Loney, who was the second team and he's just basically not in it. Glenn got the shaft. Marilyn Lovell really did lose her ring down the drain, but she found it. Okay. Good. How do we know? What are you supposed to do in that situation? Pull the drain up. But a lot of those hotel ones, they don't even have, like you can't even pull it out of it. I don't know. I just want to leave it down there at that point. This is my favorite one though. Kevin Bacon has now played a character named Jack in Frost, Nixon, my dog skip, Paul 13, a few good men, quicks over and Friday the 13th and then put Jackie on City of the Hill. Oh my God. Seven Jacks or Jackies. Some guessing is the record. And Jack was the name that. I didn't go to college or high school with any jacks. - It's back now. - Jack is a back. Jack has been back for 15 years. - Yeah. - And even in LA where you don't meet a Chris or a man or something. - There's so many jacks. So you're saying there's a young actor out there, Jacobalority could some, they played 12 jacks and could take the title from Bacon. - Kevin Bacon, seven jack. That's the record, seven jacks, Apex Mountain. Hanks, this might be it. - It just depends on where you put it in that sweet spot, right? We're there. - He also has Toy Story this year. - We're here. - Tom Hanks is Apex Mountain is bigger than the other mountains. - Okay. - He's just way up there for a while. - Yeah. - But it's somewhere between. - That's like several summits. Is that how it works? - Somewhere between winning the Oscar for Forest Gump but then filming this movie and voicing Toy Story. I think it's probably right there. - Okay. - I think filming this movie was Apex Mountain. The counterpoint is Apex Mountain for Hanks really having the juice to be like, I shall do Lady Killers. The like no one can say no to me point in his career. He's done saving Private Ryan by that point. He's done like not only this but so much more. - That's the thing he do. - Yeah. - I don't know if I'm doing this and I'm directing it. - Should we sing it for you now? - But he's like, I'm doing this and I'm going to direct it. And they're like, okay Tom Hanks. - You know, who has one of our first roles in that thing you do? Your girl Charlize. How do you like that map? - Yeah. - I wouldn't say she comes off great in it. - No. - But she's used well. - Just an icon. Run Howard Apex Mountain? Probably beautiful mind. - Yeah. - I guess so. - Probably for the acclaim alone. - Senees were in the mix right here with him. - Yeah. - Forest Gump and this. It's all going to lead some day to him doing nine years of CSI. - I'm living a great life. - It's like, what's that blood pattern? Kevin Bacon? I don't know what is that. - Yeah. - It's probably in the 80s. It's probably like Footloose. That sets up like the next 40 years. - I think that makes sense. Houston? - I thought about this. - Just city of Houston? The only other thing I came up with for Houston is 1981, which is when Houston gave us Beyonce. Is that the only competitive point in time? - 1981 Houston made the finals in the NBA. - But this is also when they won the finals. So right, so Apollo 13 Houston, we got to have a problem coinciding with the rockets winning back-to-back, basically. - That's the answer. - Is that it? - Rockets win. They've lost the Oilers though. - Do you think the rockets should incorporate some more space themes into their jerseys and stuff? - They're starting to. - Yeah, bring it back. - They bring it back. They have like a little astronaut all to now. - Yeah. - They've got some stuff going on. - You know, Rollerball, which is up there somewhere. That team was in Houston too. - The team from Rollerball? - The team from Rollerball in the future. It's set in Houston. Something about Houston in the future and space. Yeah. Then you go there and it's just highways and everything is an hour from everything else. - Yeah. - Ed Harris. - He is Oscar nominated. - He's having an incredible 90s run here. 'Cause the firm is in the rock. Like he's just, he's in China moon with Madeline Stowe. - Is he nominated for Truman Show? - If he wasn't, it was a travesty. - Can't remember, even though we did that. - Okay. - It's just impeccable work by now. - It's somewhere between here and Truman Show and over here. - Kathleen Quinlan. - Man, she gets that. - She's got nominated for Oscar. - Yeah. - Brian Grazer, producer. This has a Brian Grazer production at the beginning instead of Imagine. So maybe space movies? - I don't think it did. I don't think so. I mean. - Star Wars 2001. - Yeah, you had Steven Spielberg here talking about which chair did Steven sit in? In mine, oh my God. (laughing) I, excuse me, Mr. Spielberg. Now I'm not on a first name basis. - And that Rob sat in the seat when Sean had the criteria where he guys had Steven. - Did you get this laundered or do I need to get up? - Yeah. And Sean just like all this vertebrae just collapsed and was back. - I had a joint criteria orgasm together. - And I was just like, what's that? - It's very rare. - Yeah, unbelievable. I've never seen a human react like Sean did. It was amazing. American idealism, apex mode. - I got made the pitch. - American ingenuity. - Yeah. - Wait, is it '95 or in 1970? - 1970. - Oh. - In this movie. - In '95 we're grasping at it. We're like trying to hold on and it's already gone. - '95 we're moving more toward Monica Lewinsky and Howard Stern private parts and Jerry Springer. Cruiser hanks. - I think it hanks. - Thanks. - Well, I mean, you already made the case for just why not both? Why not put cruise in for bacon? - I like it. - It's Jack would have been fun. Fortune 3 clap award for best giftable moment. I think it's Harris collapsing after they make it. - Oh, really? - Well, for the Miami traits for Yana and the Ed Harris. - Well, it's soon. - Collapsed back. - When I read this on the doc not having rewatched the movie, that is what I thought. But I forgot that it cuts away from for a second and then it goes back to an incredible gift of him doing a double thumbs up. - The double thumbs up. - Straight to the camera. - Which if that's not a meme. I mean, that seems like a real, like Leo and Gaspi, champagne and glass, you know, just double thumbs. Very good. - Double thumbs up is within our power to make happen. - Yeah. - But is also is this not too soon we have a problem with the subtitle? Is that not just the gif of the movie? - Yeah. - Because it's straight. You don't even need the subtitle, you know? - That's true. - We ain't without that means. - There's a Denise, a quiet fist bump that he does too. - Okay. - I could be in there. Sean Penn, I brought my own pack of word. (laughs) Excellence in on-screen smoking. I just want to honor Ed Harris. - Okay. - Yeah. - I find those were real cigarettes. So do you want to use the clove cinnamon ones? He's like, fuck no, me using the real ones. - I thought about the, who was made hotter by smoking award for this movie for all of the dudes in the control room, who like- - Sure. - Kind of have a little aura going on just by like, I mean, they're doing math for 90% of the movie, and then they just get to like, rip types for no reason. - And they pull it out. - Big cigars at the end. The cigars at the end are great. Picking nits, speaking of cigarette smoking, not enough. This is 1970. Everybody in that control room smoking, when they're cut into the house, I think everybody except the kids are fucking smoking. It's just like a smoke fest. Like in '95, what were the rules in terms of rating? - I think Ron Howard was just trying to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's a lot of like, people just putting a cigarette out or people lighting a cigarette, but not actually smoking the cigarette. So you mentioned the fillers, not an option. And the Houston, we've had a problem. And then people were upset that they had astronauts arguing in the spaceship. - We real astronauts were like, what the fuck? We would never argue like that. That was it, not a lot of nitpicks. - Can I have, can I add one parent to this? - Please do. - Letting the smallest child watch the live broadcast where you don't know whether your husband is coming back from space. - That's a telephone. - I don't know. - He's very young. - How old was that kid? - I understand. I mean, four, maybe four. - I'm not the one to ask because we took Ben to the Michael Myers where he murdered everybody in the last 45 minutes. - We didn't put a mask on him and it was like three. - That's different, that's not your own, your own dad. And I, listen, I know it's like in parenting vogue to not hide children from their feelings and they're supposed to feel all this stuff. And like everyone else in the house is there. You're gonna have to tell him at some point. But it's essentially like what letting your four year old watch his own father snuff film. If it doesn't get out, it's like not a memory he wants to have. Just my take. Also Mary Hayes, they have babies, like two and three year olds and they're all just sitting there all in front of the TV. - She got the shaft in this movie. - Yeah. - Stuff. - Like one scene I heard just in the bedroom. - She just gets to be pregnant and have a still photo. - Yeah. - I had one other knit which is when everyone's getting together for that emergency landing that all the kids are inexplicably at, these two women are walking through the kitchen and they drop a bowl of salad. And like 10% of the salad falls out of the floor. - Put it back in the bowl. - And they just start putting it back. - Yep, yep, yep. - And this is how the parasite started. - 1970. - Sequel prequel prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable, this has to be untouchable. - Untouchable. - Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, "Furget the Flores" St. Louis, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, anyone else? Are we allowed to do this without Chris? - Well, yeah, I was just gonna say. - I'm happy to skip. - No, no, I mean, I feel-- - I'm also happy to do burning from the vanishing or any other invitation I have. - Chris Rand does love this movie. - Yeah. - And he's not with us. It would be funny to hear him doing Wayne Jenkins as an astronaut. I like, I do think that that could work. - Wouldn't it? When Jack lands the plane? - Yeah. - God damn Jack! - Exactly. - Just one Oscar who gets at the movie. - For best picture? - Thanks. - So you go, "Hanks over the movie?" - I mean, I have to lean into my hot take, but I'd be happy if it were the movie. Just one is not enough. - I'd say the movie. - Movie is good, "Hanks is good." I also think adapted screenplay. I'm not here to take anything away from Emma Thompson, but we talked all about like the immortal lines that have come out of this movie. There's so many smart adaptive choices. There's so many smart ways that this is like turning. A bunch of guys politely arguing in a space shuttle into actual hydrama. I think the screenplay is kind of awesome, but if you have to pick one, I will take best picture. as well. If Braveheart is the competition, sign me up. Yes, okay. You've sold me. I want, so Braveheart's tough, because it's hard to separate the Mow Gibson. Why, Mow, why? I'm doing that for a van. But the Mow Gibson of that movie, and if Mow Gibson just has a very normal last 20 years, wouldn't be like Braveheart fucking, or did that hurt Braveheart at all? I have no idea. Braveheart's just not as much my flavor, you know, like how much medieval, like, heads chopped off, do we need to get more fantastical, medieval? Even Braveheart is, I feel like thrones and some of this other stuff that did some of these battle sequences at a whole higher level. Yes. So I watch Braveheart now. It feels very 1995 to me. I still like it. I didn't really have any, probably, an answerable question, so other than did this movie have the most white actors with speaking parts of the last 35 years? It's like a hundred white guys with at least one line. I have a more existential one. Yeah. It's really more about your view of the butterfly theory than about this movie, but so if Ken Mattingley did not get grounded, if he's the one flipping the switch, do you believe, does it, does it go down the same way? Or do you think that the universe flips it, you know, one small change to an ocean of whatever. And that led to the oxygen tank breaking. We do this in basketball constantly with shots that went in or didn't go in or… Right, right, right. If it goes in and then what else? I think that they said at the end that the thing had a two-year issue with this that it would happen. Well, the question is, would he have to, like what Paxton's point is raising this movie, did he look at the gauge before he flipped the switch? And very cunningly, we don't see what he looks at. Like they kind of cut away. They come back to it. We just see him flip the switch. Would Ken have caught it if there was like some weirdness going on before he stirred the test? Well, Ken the best of the four astronauts is another, under his very good job. Yeah, I don't know. But we think gym level was, gym level was backup for Neil Armstrong. Should Apollo 11? True. But he wasn't Neil Armstrong. He's still a backup, you know? My other answer, bro, is if Cameron had wanted to do this movie instead of Run Hour, it is a better. It's definitely different. And I think he's way more interested in the inside the ship and everything that's going on in there. Yeah. He is usually not content to let action speak for themselves. He does, in fact, need to tell you also what they mean. So I think his script would be pretty different or and probably even we have the transcript. I think Run Hour was the right director. Yeah, I think he was because he's like, I want to do this perfectly. I want to obey the history. We got to get the transcripts right. Yeah. The stuff in the spacecraft is heightened to a degree that might be like more dramatic, but the stuff at mission control would not be as good or just wouldn't be in the movie as much. And that's, I mean, you need it. You need the counterbalance. Because, you know, the first man where they they really went by the book with it. And it's kind of like a, I don't know, like kind of a joyless movie. It was good to watch once, but I wouldn't be like, I'm going to crank the first man tonight. Well, I was going to not to skip to double feature, but I was going to suggest first man as the double featured mostly in response to all your criticisms of the Kathleen Quinlan character, not Kathleen Quinlan, but the wife character. And first man, you've got Claire Foy, my girl, playing Neil Armstrong's wife. And she yells the immortal, you're just a bunch of boys. But you know, she's pissed off. She's like, I hope you don't, she's like, you shouldn't go. Like, this is stupid. You're dealing, you know, she's not supportive at all. And then they, there's that last scene where the astronauts get quarantined after they go, which is, I think, another reason that they couldn't extend this movie to the reunion, but they're just staring at each other through that, the quarantine glass. And you know that they're miserable and that going to the moon didn't solve all of his problems or any of his problems. So, Spake, you want to watch first man again? I know. I've never actually seen first man. Oh, it's, it's wonderful. It's really wonderful. So yeah, Ryan Gosling, Damian Chazell, somehow makes space travel even more improbable than this does. Like, there's a shot of Gosling in the spacecraft as like the screws rattle on the window. That thing was great. Yeah. I, I just can't fathom how any of this actually worked, but somehow I did. I love the double feature. Yeah. And it's a good compliment to like, what does it mean to get to do your thing or not do your, you know, to get to go to the moon or not go to the moon? And what does that do? They're, you know, they're about, we had Damian on my podcast when he was promoting that movie, not videotape because I didn't videotape anything for three years in my office. Like a fucking idiot. Yeah. Devil Wars Prada rewatchables. I thought, not on video. So much not on video because I was like, no, people are more comfortable if there's not cameras. What if I can genius? I was. The memorabilia you'd most want from this movie. White best. See, I don't think I could pull off the white vest. I wonder if I could pull off the gold flight jacket. Might just be borderline enough where I could actually rock that thing. So I would love the gold flight jacket. I like the outfits that were wearing at the end after they got rescued. I would definitely take one of those suits. Okay. Um, but I think the answer is probably gym levels. You're just going for what's the most valuable thing from this movie that you could own from like one of those auction sites. It's got to be the Tom Hanks like movie-worn astronaut suit, right? Yeah. That's one. That would be a jaw dropper. Um, I was trying to think of like there's anything like a little smaller stakes though. Like Gary Sinesis, sleeveless white t-shirt when he's just banging beers. Just feeling bad for him. So watch a dick cabin. It's not a tough night. The beer bottle, you know, the whole system, maybe, maybe. This is a tough dick cabin, cameo, where it's like, Ken's hit the lowest point of his life. He's drinking beer by himself, watch a dick cabin. Well, the bit is like about being a peeping Tom in New York City as a summer basically. Right. And then also he tries to make jokes about Jack Swagger, but cannot remember his name. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to work. Yeah. It's with this, this. Yeah. Coach Finstack, Mr. Maggie, we're best worse lifeless. And let's work the problem. Yeah. I was opening my phone to read that quote to you. How about your greatest disaster as moments away from being your finest or is seconds away from being your finest moment, right? The whole like, if we just get this one thing right at the end, it can invert everything, everything can flip. Just like that. That's what Bill Chisholm said to Brad Steven, says he was approving the Jalen Brown trade. They should have led it to the press conference. I can't. We can't bring this up right now. I'm not ready for six or so. No, you're not ready. I'm so. We might do a cut. We might do a little sports thing after we finish filming. So hold your thoughts. Okay. My double feature choice is gravity with Sandra book. I like that. Sure. What do you have? I did the Martian. Another like problem. Yeah. I like how spring of work the problem. How do we work the problem? How do you get food? How do you get oxygen? How do you get rid of CO2? It's like it's all the same stuff all over again. Who in the movie? Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Craig double feature Rocky Four. Just kind of lean in. Oh, America. Yeah. Craig gets it. Double win. I hadn't seen this in probably 10, 15 years. And it aged so well. Like it's just like a warm hug. I don't know if it's just like where we are now. It's just feel it was like the 70s or 1970 was like like you guys were saying like depicting American idealism. And then even like mid 90s in Hollywood the fact that they like I didn't know that thing about the universal lake, but they filmed this whole movie in LA. They like built all the sets of LA. You have like Tom Hanks, Ron Howard making a space movie in LA like with your bare hands. The whole movie is just wonderful and feels incredibly warm. For the last hour I stood up like I was watching the nicks come back. I was standing up just pacing back and forth. I knew how the movie ended. It fully hits in his age so well. It's aged even better now. I don't know if it's that I'm getting older, but like even the tropy stuff with the wife and the kids I'm like kind of hit for me this time. I don't remember not really liking it. Was it the door? The door. I know. The door is magic. The three minutes when they're re-entering and it's cut back and forth to the family and it gets past three minutes. Yeah, it's like 3.30, 3.40. No one wants to say it. Four minutes. I have a re-appreciation for Tom Hanks watching this movie too. I don't really have a Tom Hanks now. It's just wonderful. Yeah, this movie's aged really well. I like it the most. I've ever liked it like in the last couple of years. It's just for a bunch of different reasons. I was never like, oh, Apollo, I love it, but I always respected it. But now, I don't know. Space Camp 1. It's kind of a sort of gasoline, but not really. Even most of these characters and these parts we don't really have anymore. The Quinlan part, I was trying to think if they made this now, who is that? Is that Carrie Coon? Is that like who plays a part like that? I don't even know. But yeah, I mean, I don't know who the- I can't. It's Gwen Pouchers to us. I don't know who the Jimmy Stewart is, because we aren't really making movies with this type of warmth and optimism, even in the face of things going wrong. Or we are, but they're still Tom Hanks somehow. Yeah, things are just going wrong all the time, and everybody is trying to scam their way through it. Project Hill Mary is probably the right comp right now, because it was gossing. But gossing still, I don't think it's Tom Hanks. Yeah. I've saved my thoughts on Project Hill Mary. Okay. It was fun. Okay. that's one where it needed to end 30 minutes before and it needed to end as soon as he opened as soon as he and Rocky saw each other and the ship that's the ending and then if you have any of the reunion stuff and now I'm black on the planet a little Rocky and Sandra Hula is like old and saying thank you you know or amaze amaze or whatever it's the whole thing is a whole key for me the whole movie. I agree. I had a great time but yeah we don't need to see the classroom of our children we definitely did not. I didn't see the theater so I want to have that caveat. I saw it at home. It ended in my wife looked at me and said that was some corny bullshit. Listen the last 20 minutes are crazy corny which is why I respect Apollo 13 for ending when it does. Yeah you don't need the extra icing on top. It's one of the most millennial movies ever made that is true. But in 30 years we're gonna be doing a rewatchables for it so I look for it. The puppet stuff is good. It's good. The problem now is instead of making movies like this we make movies these two movies I like that I'm about to say but we make movies like the drama in the invite. That's where the creativity is moving. I noticed just yeah people are less interested in making a movie like Apollo 13. That is true. Ron Howard now would be like I want to make the invite. Well I don't want to hear anyone else could get the budget to make Apollo 13 nor would they be able to comment or anything it would just be all CGI say would you want about the movies because I agree with you about projectile Mary. Is it making projectile Mary the current version of making Apollo 13? Yeah but it's I mean it's the most millennial annoying movie ever I agree and I'm a millennial. Well I'm sure there was I liked it I think I even teared up with the rock you know listen I'm a mark for Ryan Gosling being charming and and I guess that Ryan Gosling comp is right in that he's both he's playing the role and much of that movie's charm is him reacting quietly to a puppet. It's hanging with Ryan Gosling. Yeah he's surrounded by goofy dumb shit. Yeah but now he's doing Star Wars and he's doing another thing and like to me the Martian was so much better than Project Kill Mary. I can't even believe it would be compared to each other. I think it's true though I know but I just thought the Martian was a better movie like it's it's more ambitious I don't know. When I went back and rewatched it though I had forgotten how corny some of the jokes are in the Martian like let's science the shit out of this which listen Matt Damon can can do no wrong in my book I'm a huge fan it's but I was like oh this is of its generation as a model right? Yeah yeah yeah yeah but he spends that is Matt Damon planting potatoes and being a vlogger. Yeah two hours. It's a really good movie but it is corny. It's a draw setter kind of hokey completely. Yeah. Luckily I'm the best botanist alive. Yeah yeah yeah. We're on this planet it's a lot of that stuff. You know how easy this is for me. It's a fucking joke. And I'm sorry you can't do this I really am. Damon's the best. Retainer. Come to the Damon side of Damon versus Leo. This is white surgeon or shit. Oh I'm totally on the Damon side. I don't know that's nuts. It's so obviously Leo. This is ridiculous. That's the boy stuff. Yeah. You also like when you value Joelle and beads 40 games a year over I can't the guys who play 72 to 8. It's not like Leo is load managing. The guy has made a ton of loads. He's load managing. It's one of a year. Damon's like taking chances. Damon's like yeah we bought a team of Cameron Crow. I'll try it. And you don't even like the ocean. It's not much. And she's got those on the roster. It's okay. That's fine. You don't like the oceans. No. No I like I like one. I like the 11 is yeah. I really like what he didn't do that movie. He didn't do the rewatch. I didn't like 12. Yeah. And then I like 11. I just passed it off. That was early in the rewatch. That's true. And then you made us do 12 for flawed rewatchables, which I was offended by because I think 12 is the second best equal ever made. I've ever got other part too. Pretty good. They're all good. No. I wasn't in four weddings in a funeral. That's Matt Damon line. When they have Julia Roberts pretend to be Julia Roberts. It's it's good stuff. It's revisited. Yeah, but Project Hill Mary's the corny one. Don't worry about it. It's cool. Keep leaving. But I thought you would have not like Project Hill Mary. I like it. I can't help it. Like I'm I'm clutching for some optimism as much as anybody. I want to be intrigued by the stars and the power of friendship with Iraq. I think the Elon autobiography movie is going to be awesome. Can we see who plays him? Elon's race to get us to Mars. We needed a hero. We finally found one and his 17 kids are watching as he tries to get us to another planet. On that note, Craig, go back to how thank you. Robin Hone, great to see you. Amanda, great to see you. Thank you for having back in the rotation. Me too. Thanks for suggesting this. Thanks for pushing. Thank you for a true pleasure. Thank you for not giving it away. I'm really happy to be here. And thanks to Tom Hanks. Good to see you guys.