This podcast episode, the third in the "How Not To Screw Up Your Kids" series, focuses on understanding childhood anxiety. The host explains that anxiety is fundamentally a stress response that every child experiences at some point, rather than something limited to diagnosed anxiety disorders. Using the "wellbeing seesaw" metaphor, she describes how anxiety arises when a child perceives the demands of a situation as outweighing their internal resources to cope. Crucially, it is the child's perception, not the parent's, that matters. The episode identifies common warning signs, particularly difficulty falling asleep at night and recurring tummy aches, and explains why anxiety often surfaces at bedtime when distractions fade. The host recommends starting a family conversation about where worry and stress show up in the body, using a body-outline exercise available in the show notes. She emphasizes that this is the first of three episodes, with the next two diving into specific strategies for addressing both sides of the seesaw: managing the internal dialogue and regulating the physiological stress response. Parents are encouraged to model vulnerability by sharing their own experiences, building an empowering toolkit their children can rely on.
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So pour yourself a cuppa, find a comfy seat, and enjoy the conversation.
This is episode three, and today we are talking about anxiety.
What is it?
How do we recognise if our children are struggling with it,
and what can we do to help?
Now, when I was preparing for this podcast,
I realised there was just way too much to cover in one episode.
So the way we're going to do it is that I'm going to cover it actually
across three episodes.
Three different episodes.
Today, we're going to talk very much around what anxiety is
and how you might know that your child is struggling with anxiety.
And we're also going to talk about what we can start doing now to help.
And then in the next two episodes, we're going to dive deeper
in terms of very specific strategies that you can then add on
to help and support your children.
I want to sort of avoid overwhelming you
and really talk about what you can do to help your children.
But really, it's about taking some simple, small steps now
and then building on those.
So for some context, the latest data,
and I think the data was released in 2020,
suggests that one in six children
has a probable mental health challenge.
So in a typical state school
where there are 30 children in a class,
that's five children in each and every class,
in each and every school,
aged between reception and all the way up to year six,
no, year 11, that are struggling with their mental health.
Now, all of that isn't necessarily going to be anxiety.
These are probable mental health challenges.
But understanding the basic principles around mental health
are key if we're going to turn the tide on this pretty scary epidemic.
And it absolutely starts young.
Helping our children understand their emotions
and talking about well-being,
it's something that we should be talking about with our children
from the moment they're able to communicate.
Because we talk about their physical well-being,
their physical health.
We talk about them making sure that they exercise
and that they sleep and that they eat well.
And we should be doing exactly the same
when it comes to their mental health.
So let's start talking about anxiety just generally.
So anxiety is a mental health challenge
which affects every child, I think, at some point in their life.
What I want to stress really
in terms of how we're going to talk
about anxiety in this episode of the podcast
is I'm not looking necessarily at anxiety disorders.
By anxiety disorders, we mean anxiety
which has been recognised and diagnosed
as a disorder that your child is currently experiencing.
My view when we're talking about anxiety
is really looking at it not from a basis of
is my child being diagnosed with an anxiety disorder or not,
but simply looking at anxiety from the perspective
of something that is going to affect your child at some point
because anxiety is, at its real base level,
a stress response.
So I'm not trying to diminish
or make light of what anxiety is,
but I want to talk about it in such a way
that every parent can access the content of this podcast
and use it whether their child is being diagnosed
with an anxiety disorder or not
because all our children are going to experience
some level of anxiety and worry at some point.
So let me. The easiest way that I can explain
wellbeing, anxiety, overwhelm, stress
so that we've got some context to it as parents
is to imagine a wellbeing seesaw.
So if we imagine a seesaw,
you know it's got a little pivot in the middle
and it tips and turns
depending on how much weight you put on each side.
When your child is in a situation
which they feel really confident and really happy in,
their seesaw, their wellbeing seesaw is in balance.
On one side of the seesaw,
what they perceive are the demands being placed on them
by that situation
are matched equally and balanced
by what they perceive are the resources they have
within themselves to manage that particular situation.
So we've got a lovely, equally balanced seesaw.
When our children are in a situation
where they feel overwhelmed, stressed or anxious,
they're worrying,
what happens is their wellbeing seesaw tips
and what they perceive are the demands
being placed on them by that situation
far outweigh any perceived resources
they have within themselves to manage it.
Now, for those of you who want to access
some of these resources,
as always, they will be in the show notes.
So look for the web link
and you'll be able to see the wellbeing seesaw in there
so that you can get a real visual
that marries with the kind of commentary
that I'm giving you here.
And what you should have noticed,
which I really emphasised a few times,
is this idea of perception.
And this is what I want to kind of really hone in on
in this particular episode
and very much as your give to take away
and things that you can be working on.
In any given situation of overwhelm, stress or anxiety,
it doesn't matter what you think,
what I think,
what your children's teachers think
or anyone else.
It's how your child perceives
and views that situation that matters
because that's where the gap
and the discrepancy happens
with their wellbeing seesaw.
And I say this because I've worked with families
where we've had children
that have been perfectly happy, for example,
to stand on stage and perform,
whether that be a musical instrument
or a drama production
in front of hundreds of people
and have not felt overwhelmed
in any shape or form by that.
And yet they've struggled maybe
with separation anxiety
in terms of going into school
and being away from parents
or they've struggled by putting their hand up
and answering a question at school.
So it doesn't matter
whether when we're looking at things
that our children do
when we can't make any sense of it.
We sort of think,
but you're happy to stand
in front of hundreds of people
and perform in a way
that for most people
they would be utterly overwhelmed.
And yet in another situation,
which is far less stressful
from our perspective,
how we see the situation,
but it doesn't matter.
We have to think about it
from the perception of our child.
So when we imagine this seesaw,
let's look at it from the perspective
Let's look at both sides
in a little bit more detail.
When we talk about the perceived demands,
this is really the kind of the internal dialogue,
the internal chatter,
the conversation that your child
has with themselves in their own mind,
in their own head.
This is the narrative that says,
I'm not clever enough.
I'm not pretty enough.
I'm not fast enough.
I'm not sporty enough.
I'm not funny enough.
So that's the internal dialogue that says,
in this situation,
I can't possibly cope.
It's too overwhelming for me.
If I make a mistake,
people will laugh.
Everyone's looking at me
and they're making a judgment of me.
They're thinking I'm not very good.
Whatever that internal dialogue is,
that is part of what we talk about
our children's perceived demands.
This situation requires this from me
and this is my internal narrative,
which says I cannot manage it.
So that's the one side of the seesaw.
And that's the side that when our children
are feeling overwhelmed and stressed,
that's what weighs heavily on that side.
What we then have to do
have on the other side of the seesaw is this idea
about what our children perceive are their resources the really what's in their toolkit
to help them manage those situations and if we think about a situation that might stress us out
it is how does that particular situation show up for us in our bodies so when we're talking about
the well-being seesaw for children it is exactly the same for us you think about it as an adult
what are the things that make you feel overwhelmed stressed out unable to cope anxious worried
and what happens in those situations are the perceived resources are what shows up in your
body so if you are in a situation imagine your worst case scenario the situation that makes you
feel the most stressed the most overwhelmed the most difficult to manage situation and where does
that show up in your body now i've very publicly talked about the idea that i really struggle with
heights and particularly for me where my sort of anxiety and worry about heights tends to show up
most is over bridges it's very strange but this is my kind of nemesis and so when i walk over bridges
or when i drive over bridges this is where i tend to notice it and actually the irony is the first
time i realized this was when i was in year seven so the first year of secondary school
i used to cycle to school and one particular day i decided that i was going to cycle home
a slightly different way and the path that i took meant that i had to go over i think you call them
like a flyover it's where you basically walk over a dual carriageway so i was walking over this
flyover wheeling my bike and i think i must have got maybe a quarter of the way across and i
utterly froze i couldn't walk any further the anxiety and the overwhelm and the fear was so
immense that i stayed there completely and utterly paralyzed until a really lovely passerby came
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well from my perspective it felt like a lifetime it probably wasn't they could see how upset i was
and they helped me by basically walking and talking and distracting me as i walked across
so for whatever reasons for me this idea about walking over the bridges and particularly where
i perceive again it's about perception i perceive it to be very open is that i have a real fear of
falling off so from my perspective the way that this shows up is my internal dialogue whether i'm
walking over a bridge or driving over a bridge is having to walk directly in the middle avoid the
edges because i have a fear that i am going to fall off it's irrational because again it's my
perception it doesn't matter whether it's true or whether it isn't true that's the experience for
me and i want you to understand that that's exactly the same when we're talking about that
seesaw in terms of the experience for your children and when we talk about resources it's
understanding how does that situation show up in our bodies so for me in that particular situation
and just think about it for yourself as an adult because our children will experience similar things
is it tends to show up for me in that i get sweaty palms my hands get really really sweaty
my heart beats really really much faster than it would ordinarily and i get what i call jelly legs
so my legs are shaking so this is how it shows up for me so when we're looking at my reason my
well-being seesaw and as it tips the perceived demands are this overwhelming dialogue that i'm
going to fall off unless i walk in the middle and that there's that fear and the resources are that
i don't have any resources or equipment in that moment
to deal with my sweaty palms my heart beating faster and my jelly legs
and so this is the way that we need to start thinking when our child is in a situation where
they feel overwhelmed where they feel that they cannot cope with a particular situation where they
feel anxious so it's understanding when we're talking about emotional well-being well whether
it's we're talking about anxiety or whether we're talking about overwhelm or stress that this these
are the two components so when we're looking to support our children we need to be addressing
both sides of that seesaw and what we'll do in this in the next two series of episodes are looking
specifically at this we will address one that will specifically look at the demands and helping
with some strategies for that and one that specifically looks at resources and helps you
with those particular strategies and when we talk about cognitive behavioral therapy cbt the typical
kind of therapy that would be used to support an adult or a child that's struggling with them
anxiety the cognitive activity is going to be used to support an adult or a child that's struggling
is helping the child or the adult manage the internal dialogue and changing that narrative
and the behavioral part is about teaching strategies which help manage the physiological
response because stress anxiety and worry simply triggers our sympathetic nervous system our fight
or flight or freeze instinct that basically is like an alarm that goes off and says i'm in danger
i'm in a situation that i feel threat and
fear and actually what then happens is once we've had that thought is it then triggers
that it's like a domino effect it triggers that sympathetic nervous system and we'll look at those
in more detail in the episodes to come but from this episode i really want you to take away this
idea of the seesaw because it helps us frame the challenges that our children have it also helps
us understand things from our children's perspective so that we understand how it shows
up and actually what we can then do is be much more supportive of our children because it's not
about what we think our children are perfectly capable of doing it's how our child feels in that
given moment so i'm hoping that that explains anxiety and that sort of seesaw but let's look
at a couple of things i want to look at what are the common signs how do you know that your child
might be feeling overwhelmed might be feeling anxious and for me there are two
core components that tend to show up these tend to be the main ones for me but i'll talk about some
other ones as well so the first one will be a child who finds it difficult to fall asleep at
night this is the child that's in and out of their bedroom they're too hot they're too cold they're
hungry they're thirsty they forgot to tell you one more thing or they needed to pack something
else in their bag it's this difficulty falling asleep and this may also be the child that needs
you to stay in the room with them until they fall asleep and the reason why this is such a
common sign for anxiety worry and overwhelm is that day to day when our children and us as adults
if we're looking at recognizing these anxieties even in ourselves is that we're so busy doing
and busy that in a lot of ways the internal dialogue that narrative that in in a conversation
is very much quietened because we're busy we're distracted and we're doing what tends to happen
is when it's time to go to sleep is we can no longer distract ourselves we are no longer busy
but we are alone
in our room in our bed with our thoughts and that's where the narrative tends to come in so
whether we've got a child who might be worrying about going to school the next day or whether
it's a child who's replaying a conversation that they've had with a friend where they feel
that they wish they'd said something else or they're ruminating about things that have happened
or they're anticipatory worrying about something that's yet to come that's why it tends to show
up particularly at night so a key one for me is a child that's struggling to fall
asleep at night and then the other one that is common is a child who often complains of tummy
ache that's a real classic one and certainly for younger children it tends to show up in their
they tend to notice it in their tummy so they'll say that they're feeling unwell or they're feeling
sick so complaints of tummy ache are another one there are other ones so it's sort of areas about
you might have a child that might be particularly trying to control routine things and trying to
make sure that things happen in a particular way or you might have a child where you're seeing
big changes in their mood difficulties in
in concentration. So it's a combination of those. But for me, the top two are struggling to fall
asleep at night and complaining of a tummy ache. So those are the kind of the key things I want
you to be able to take away from this particular podcast. And I want to talk now about what do I
want you to be able to come away from this podcast to be able to start doing. And it really is,
it's helping your child begin to build their own toolkit. I talk about toolkits all of the time
because actually toolkits are empowering. It's about having a set of tools and strategies that
your children can go to and that you can go to as a family whenever you need some extra support in
that time. So for this podcast, Skiv, I want you to look at, and it will be if you go to the show
notes, you'll get the web link so that you can access this particular tool, is I want you to
have a conversation with your child.
Or children, if you've got more than one that's experiencing these particular challenges, and
actually start talking to them about where exactly do these worries, do these overwhelm, does this
stress show up in their body? So the resource that you'll find in the show notes is very much around
an outline of a body. And really what I want you to do is have a discussion with your child and get
them to put either post-it notes or crosses in the various parts of the body that they feel these
emotions show up in. So I want you to have a conversation with your child and get them to put
those in there. So going back to my analogy, the idea about my sweaty palms, it would show up in my hands, it would
show up in my legs, and it would show up in my legs for my jelly legs, and in my heart for beating
faster. And certainly try and model that for your children. So talk about situations that you feel
overwhelmed, that you find difficult and challenging. And where does that stress and that
overwhelm show up for you? And then ask your children to do the same for themselves. Because
part of it is just acknowledging where these things show up. And then ask your children to do the same
And then what we'll do in the next two episodes is we'll build on this, and we will start to look
specifically at, okay, what strategies, now that our children know where this is showing up,
and we're acknowledging that it's from their perception of how that situation feels rather
than ours, what can we now start filling their toolkit with that helps them make the demands
of that situation feel lighter, as well as weighing down on the resources so they feel
that they've got some specific strategies that they can use to help them feel better.
Manage all of that overwhelm in their body. So I really hope that you found this really useful
in terms of placing a context of what anxiety is, and how it shows up for your children and seeing
it from that perspective. If you would like the free guide, if you'd like the resources, then
check out the show notes for the web link. And as usual, and finally, if you've enjoyed this episode,
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can spread the love. So until next time.
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Therapy's most meaningful impact appears in small everyday moments of self-regulation rather than dramatic breakthroughs.
Grow Therapy offers insurance-covered sessions averaging $21, with some clients paying as little as $0, and no subscriptions or long-term commitments.
Midi provides virtual menopause and perimenopause care covered by most major insurance plans.
The American Red Cross now allows more LGBTQ+ individuals to donate blood following FDA guideline changes eliminating sexual-orientation-based eligibility questions.
One in six children has a probable mental health challenge, meaning roughly five children in every class of thirty.
Anxiety is best understood as a stress response affecting all children, not only those diagnosed with anxiety disorders.
The "wellbeing seesaw" model explains anxiety as perceived demands outweighing perceived resources in any given situation.
Common signs of childhood anxiety include difficulty falling asleep at night and frequent complaints of tummy aches.
Summary:
This podcast episode, the third in the "How Not To Screw Up Your Kids" series, focuses on understanding childhood anxiety. The host explains that anxiety is fundamentally a stress response that every child experiences at some point, rather than something limited to diagnosed anxiety disorders. Using the "wellbeing seesaw" metaphor, she describes how anxiety arises when a child perceives the demands of a situation as outweighing their internal resources to cope.
Crucially, it is the child's perception, not the parent's, that matters. The episode identifies common warning signs, particularly difficulty falling asleep at night and recurring tummy aches, and explains why anxiety often surfaces at bedtime when distractions fade. The host recommends starting a family conversation about where worry and stress show up in the body, using a body-outline exercise available in the show notes.
She emphasizes that this is the first of three episodes, with the next two diving into specific strategies for addressing both sides of the seesaw: managing the internal dialogue and regulating the physiological stress response. Parents are encouraged to model vulnerability by sharing their own experiences, building an empowering toolkit their children can rely on.
FAQs
Anxiety is a stress response that affects every child at some point. It occurs when the perceived demands of a situation outweigh the child's perceived resources to manage it.
The wellbeing seesaw represents how a child's wellbeing balances perceived demands against perceived resources. When demands outweigh resources, the seesaw tips, causing anxiety, stress, or overwhelm.
Two key signs are difficulty falling asleep at night and frequent complaints of tummy aches. Other signs include controlling routines, mood changes, and trouble concentrating.
During the day, children are busy and distracted, which quiets their internal dialogue. At night, when alone with their thoughts, worries and anxious narratives become more noticeable, making it hard to fall asleep.
Parents can help by talking with their child about where anxiety shows up in their body, using a body outline to mark sensations. Modeling this by sharing their own experiences can also encourage children to open up.
The cognitive part helps manage the internal dialogue and change negative narratives. The behavioral part teaches strategies to manage the physiological stress response, such as a racing heart or sweaty palms.
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