Anthropic SCANDAL, Luigi REACTION & Flock Contacted ME | Julian Dorey • 463

what's cooking everybody and welcome back to another episode of the julian dory podcast i am julian dory and i'm joey def hang game how you doing you know how i like my cookies def uh a little raw i guess no no no that's a pause but i'm gonna do a bigger pause right now i like my cookies stuffed oh yeah huge pause careful do we have a pause button for that um no we got something there i could test something yeah i don't want to test anything but but at the very least apparently that is exactly what phoebe gates likes because she'd be profiting off of them stuffed ass cookies yeah well yeah yeah so if you guys watched our show a few weeks ago we discussed the i guess at that time brewing story about phoebe gates's company that she co-founded with this other chick whose name escapes me right now but we will have it later where they they got quite doing a little bit of fraud you know now now they they claim they didn't know anything this company is called fear but we found out today maybe uh maybe they knew a little something a little while ago and weren't saying anything about it so we will we will cover all that we also you know fresh off the press right now luigi mangione has pled guilty joey d if i know you've been working around the clock on his legal team advising him yep over the past year or so and great advice you'd be giving him so so i hear but what went into this decision for him to plead guilty to stalking with the intent to kill i believe that's the exact charge um well it kind of was simple a couple of gentlemen in black and white suits walked into the room that's right and they said hey this is what it's gonna be and by then i'm i'm already handcuffed to the radiator i i can i can oh they had you on the radiator was it like the old buzzing one yeah yeah one of the old ones that comes off the wall you know yeah a little bit of that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and um they put a cigarette out on me too where like on your forearm yeah it's like in my show i would i would show it on camera but it's like up on my shoulder yeah we probably get demonetized because it's gory and graphic can't show it but it's true um but yeah so they said this is how it's gonna go and luigi was kind of just like all right bet yeah got it and he wrote that statement up all right we're gonna talk about that today i did have a chance to talk to lauren conlan a couple hours ago and he was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be about this obviously she's been in the courtroom covering that case and it's an interesting little current outcome here there's still more to go so we'll clear some of that up and then you know i i have there's there's a couple little epstein things that we've left hanging that we got to get to but another bombshell dropped last night like just when you think actually let me correct that record of course you don't think there's an end to these files where there were three million that have been released even with all the redactions you're all right you're all right you're all right always going to be finding some sort of new connection but now dario amadei over at anthropic well he got caught up right at home with his wife who's got a real interesting life story there joey beef yeah we're gonna have to dive into that we're gonna have to dive into that this is one of the more of all of them when you remove all of like the the code word emails and stuff like that is obviously viscerally disgusting and everything this is one of the more like aged really really badly email threads you'll ever see in the files so shout out to the wall street journal for uncovering all this and shout out to cammy clark that is the name of dario amadei the ceo of anthropic's wife for you know giving us this blessed story on here as we record on a friday evening but we'll get to that and then what would another episode be without giving a little update on the whole flock situation hey guys if you're not following me on spotify please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review they're both a huge huge help thank you which by the way yeah a little inside baseball here somebody from flock reached out to a good friend of mine this week you hear about this joey beef uh no i didn't you didn't uh fill me in yeah so so they were upset they were not happy with my coverage of their beloved camera company i'm going to keep their name out of it obviously i i wouldn't do that to this person but you know they were they were talking a big game oh man he's got this all wrong we're just here trying to protect and serve and you know a lot of bullshit and obviously i have been very harsh and i will continue to be harsh because unlike the people at flock i have kind of studied why the revolutionary war was fought and then what we did in the aftermath and creating the constitution which wasn't a perfect document but it was a really fucking good one that went through specific situations just like this they thought about it and they thought about it and they thought about it and they thought about it and they thought about this 250 years ago you know to talk about the whole like not letting a tyrannical government invade your life and yeah yeah do all these things that are i would say pretty not good right joey deep that's fair to say no i can i i can get behind that not yeah so good comment for that and that's the thing i have two modes on this show now and this is really important to say i've i've kind of explained this before but let me be really clear because this is a great example when i'm doing my guest episodes of which we're doing two three hour episodes every week with the way we're booking people we're going to be moving that up to three at some point here if i can keep up with the capacity but when i do those it is it requires less of me expressing opinion on things when i do these episodes on the weekends we happen to cover some really big stories where like the public sentiment we're speaking a lot of what you guys are thinking so for example jeffrey epstein raping kids pretty safe to say all you guys got there don't support that so obviously we don't support that either because we have common sense and we cover it and everyone can agree with that point when we're covering things like you know another potential endless war in the middle east also pretty safe to say we got pretty good polling on our sides that many of you out there disagree with that whole thing and having more of our guys go over there to die probably for another country so we talk about that too i've expressed these lines in the sand before in episodes but i'm just repeating for clarification right here when we're talking about people putting cameras all over the fucking country so they can watch where we take a shit and measure the microbiomes in there so they can fuck us later on a dna test for nothing when we did nothing wrong just because they feel like being a fucking overlord like it's 1984 yeah i'm gonna talk out against that and i'm not just gonna keep it to one company flock they're the soup du jour of the moment but there are other companies here underneath the surface there that are looking to get in and take that marketplace and when they start to do that as we've already seen some potential ripples in that oh yeah yeah we're gonna get in there we're gonna get in there we're gonna get in there so i look at things and when i'm expressing these opinions it's on stuff that the ball is already really there that said this is where it's going to come out because it is literally joey deep and i just react into the news just like all you guys do so i want to put that out there and yes as i said i've been very harsh on flock with good reason i have very good evidence to be harsh on them their ceo gives me the heebie-jeebies as they say this is a guy who to say he can't read a room would be putting it lightly i mean he is what's his name craig greg uh you know what you know who cares i don't even yeah who cares whatever in the brain now i did invite i after i like shredded him for like eight minutes i did invite greg i think it's greg on the show a few weeks ago is it was it craig or greg whatever it's hammer pan it's the same shit two m's two n who cares but i did invite him on the show which was like kind of a joke at the end of the bit but it was also serious in the sense that of course he could come on the show but this person who reached out to a very close friend of mine was suggesting that he come on the show and what i will say is that if he did want to do that can we actually get his name just to be sure i i actually in in this instance should be very clear like rather than completely joking on it because this is actually the serious part of it what is it it's garrett langley garrett langley all right so it wasn't craig or greg garrett langley if as this person who reached out to my friend suggested that he should come on the show if he wanted to do that i would do it and here's how it would go so that we'll just set the baseline right now and to be clear i've never talked to this guy before i i have no idea what the thought is there that's the baseline though yeah that's just the idea that this friend of a friend reached out to to you know try to say that i was talking bullshit but if i did have garrett on the show obviously it wouldn't be in this context of me just hosting the show and him sitting here it would be in the guest context a couple things would happen number one i would absolutely have tommy g here with me i think that would be amazing because tommy g is the one who was man on the ground who really ripped this story open he's a very close friend of mine an amazing guy to someone who is as genuine as they come someone who i have witnessed over the years now sit down or talk with people who he has serious reservations about and be nothing but respectful fair and kind even when he 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I would definitely have Tommy G here. I think that would just be an amazing kind of conversation. And to be clear, I'm not going to let Garrett come in here and just like spew the Bible a fucking flock and get no pushback or anything like that. We're going to be pushing back the whole fucking time because obviously it's very clear where my stance is on this stuff. But he'd get a fair hearing. And I'd want to know more about what his backstory is and kind of how he got to this point, how he sees the world, and see if there were a way, not necessarily on the camera, but a way that we could find some common ground about things that need to be considered moving forward, which, to be clear, Joey Deef, in my book, yeah, that might be like, yo, you need to find a different idea here. This company ain't it. I'm just being honest about that. I really don't like this. And if we have time to get to that today, there's just much more stuff this week about the technology and the implications of how far this is stretching, things they've talked about internally that have been lost, and leaked, that are straight-up dystopian. And, like, I'm never, ever going to sit here and be like, yeah, you know, I might be missing some there. You could have a point. No point. You don't have a point in that case. You know? It's like, other people have said this on my show, and then most recently, Baron Coleman said this. He's like, we live in a country where the idea is, it's supposed to be, it is worse to have one innocent man in prison than it is 100 guilty men on the street. Does that make the world perfect? Does it make it. Nice? No. But that's how you ensure you don't get tyrannical government. You put the government to the test, and I completely agree on that. Brian McMonagle, back in episode 115, famously said, I believe, like, the same thing. And, you know, Brian McMonagle's one of the most legendary defense attorneys to ever live, representing a lot of different people. But, you know, I just think that's so important. So if that conversation would happen, and I have no reason to think it would, but if it did, as this person from Flock who reached out to suggest, we would do it in good faith, we would do it fairly, and we wouldn't just be fucking yelling at him the whole time. I'd want to hear what he has to say, and he would absolutely get pushback. So I want to make that clear. And guys like that, you know, in my experience, they don't like going on platforms where it's not all preconceived and they don't know exactly what they're getting, especially if they're not exactly an adept public communicator or room reader, as Garrett appears to not be. But if we get to some more of that today, we. If we don't get to some more of that today, we will get to that next week. There's just a bunch of new information on that. But I do want to start off with. Actually, I almost forgot this. A little something went under the radar. Before I get to Dario Amadei's wife and her apparent wooing of one Jeffrey Epstein back in 2011, remember when we talked about the Leon Black testimony, Deef? Yes. In June? Yes. So he came in, I believe he testified on a Friday? Yeah. The first time? Yeah. We can double check that. I haven't thought about that, but I'm pretty sure it was a Friday. Leon Black, the founder of Apollo Global, which is just balls deep in Jeffrey Epstein polos. You know, he goes and testifies before Congress in a closed-door hearing in front of that committee headed by Kentucky's James Comer and refuses to answer some questions, refuses to provide NDAs as it pertained to him and women who were. from his orbit and Epstein's that he had signed said NDAs with. And so he was told by the committee at the time, and we reported on this, Joey Deef and I covered this, I remember this, that he needed to return on Thursday, July 16th for now a videotape testimony. So now it should have been the first time around, Joey Deef. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, they get these things screwed up sometimes. They do. We'll give them some grace. But you're a big. You're a big tapes guy. You like tapes. Love the tapes. Yes. Love the tapes. You like video evidence. VHS, the whole thing. The whole thing. You're even like. You still put those, like, recording. I don't even know what they're called, the cassette tapes in your car. Oh, yeah. Yeah, those aren't even video. Yeah. Yeah. I got dice hanging from the rear view. He's got dice hanging. Yeah. They smell like they're from 1974 still, but. They haven't been around a while. Listen, he's an archaic individual, a man of culture. I mean that in the best possible way. But Leon Black, is called back at the time to testify, July 16th on camera. Yep. Went really under the radar. What do you mean? That got pushed down the road, Joey Deef. Did you know about that? The hearing did. Uh-huh. Didn't happen? Yeah, didn't happen. They postponed it. Now, the story. I think I have the link. Oh, Deef's already got it up. Well, the postponing, yes. The postponing link. Can you read the timestamp on when this was posted, Joey? Can you read it, Deef? Yeah, this was posted, if I had to read with my eyes, that would say July 14th, 2026. Okay. 5:32 p.m. So, a couple days before he's set to testify. To go in there, yeah. A quiet story from Politico comes out, saying that it has been scheduled for September 3rd in front of the House Oversight Lawmakers. So, let me go up right there, Deef. Let me just read this, and then I'm gonna give some. Let me just read this, and then I'm gonna give some context. Billionaire investor Leon Black is scheduled for a September 3rd deposition in front of House Oversight Lawmakers who want to press him under oath about his ties to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. A spokesperson for House Oversight Republicans said Tuesday attorneys for the co-founder of Apollo Global Management had confirmed his appearance date. Black's legal team will also transfer at the end of next week. So, this means this would have already happened by now. Non-disclosure agreements the investor allegedly had with women tied to Epstein, the spokesperson said, which he had previously told the committee. He will not discuss. So, this is interesting, Deef. He gives a little tit-for-tat there. Right. He's giving something up that he said he wasn't gonna give up. But, he gets it postponed for when he's gonna do it. So, if we go back down. Let me just make sure I didn't miss this. So, yeah, that's just Comer commenting on it. Black, at a June interview, said he had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes. Over the time frame, he paid Epstein tens of millions of dollars, though he did acknowledge he was aware of his 2008 sex crime conviction. It just wasn't a big deal to him. He's like, well, you know, she was 17. She didn't show ID. What are you gonna do? That's just what, you know, I'm just saying what he said. No, I don't agree with it. He's like, I'm gonna do biz. He's like, I gotta do biz. He lives, like, right down the street from me. I gotta pass his house. Sometimes, the New York Times is sitting out front, and I gotta drop it off at his door to say what's up. So, I went in Rome, right? Yep. He says, Your Honor. I'm doing biz with him, not her. That's right. You know, went on East 71st Street. But, anyway, so. It's a shame. A couple things. Could you just Google this? What day of the week is September 3rd, Joey D? I already know what day of the week it is. I think I know. Because it's the day before my damn birth. Uh-huh. But, just for the people out there, we want to get a live fact check, just to be clear. So, this is a Thursday. And you say, oh, okay. Well, at least it's not Friday. I want to note, this is a Thursday before Labor Day, Labor Day weekend. At the end, now, Labor Day weekend falls a little late this year. So, it's like an extension of August, the deadest news month of the year, the biggest vacation time of the year. When you look at this business back here, this is when I always look and, like, over the last couple of years, I'll see that, like, brand deals are less because they're not, they want to do, like, the back-to-school stuff hard right after Labor Day, or they want to do it before and earlier August. So, it's like, it's a very dead time. And now you get the long weekend. Everyone's on the road. You know, you're out there seeing your family. You're down the shore. You're at, if you're in the Midwest, you're at the lakes or in the Ozarks or whatever the fuck all those beautiful places are out there that I still got to go to. A lot of great stuff in the Midwest, Joey Deef. Yeah, no, definitely. Great spot. Yeah, I got to, I liked Milwaukee when I went out there with Tommy. We can go to the Ozarks. I got the plug there. I think we got to do that. Maybe in the comments, you can let me know where you guys go on Labor Day weekend. But, you know, I need some ideas. But, you know, You know, he's gonna go testify. And then by the next week, little news cycle's gone. That's it. Back to school. Little news cycle's gone. Amantara. Get your amantara back to school. That's right. But, you know, it's funny because this was the other one. We talk about Fridays. We talk about deader months. July, July's, you know, it's midsummer. People are traveling. Fourth of July. It's not like August. I'll give July that. July's got more relevance than August for sure in the news cycle. There's no doubt about that. Not for July 4th, but the rest of the month, like, things are operating a little closer to regular biz. Biz is going. But in Forbes, the day after Leon Black was supposed to testify, Friday, July 17th, they posted an article at 3.28 p.m. Very late. In fact, you know why we missed this, Joey Deef? Why? Because we were going on air. This is right when we're capable of missing something because this is specking. This is smack dub. On Fridays, when we usually film our weekend, you know, pure speck-a-la-zion-ay. But it says Leon Black says Epstein introduced him to Elon Musk. Again, this is from Allison Durkee at Forbes. Billionaire Leon Black claimed he socialized with Jeffrey Epstein because of his many high-powered connections, sex convictions aside, including Elon Musk, but never considered him a friend, according to a transcript released from his interview with the House Oversight Committee, this would have been the one back in June. All right, so go down. I'm just going to read the bullet points right here. I want you to hear how loaded these are. These are the key facts listed at the top of the article. So, da-da-da, we already covered that one. Black denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein's alleged abuse. Remember, he knows he was convicted, but he has no knowledge of his alleged abuse. Including multiple allegations women have made against Black in connection with Epstein, telling lawmakers, quote, I was not involved with and had no knowledge of any of Epstein's heinous crimes. Heinous conduct, unquote. That was definitely not a statement written and practiced in front of his lawyer. Written by and practiced in front of his lawyer, right? That's definitely how a normal human being talks, John. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. For sure. Okay. The billionaire testified he met Epstein through a mutual friend in the mid-1990s. And we've talked about that in the previous episode where we covered this deeply, where he did that sit-down interview that was later transcribed into a big article back in 2022 or whatever. There's some evidence that he met Epstein before that. It's up in the air, though. So that's what he claims now on the record. So he has this on the record that he met him in the mid-1990s, and he would regularly see the financier because, quote, he enjoyed taking advantage of all the network of interesting people he knew, unquote, recounting how Epstein would regularly invite him to meet the other high-profile people in his orbit. Musk was among those that Epstein introduced Black to, he told lawmakers, without a doubt. Now, how do you not get him to elaborate on that? The very next words out of my mouth would be, sir, can you please elaborate on that? Like, this is not hard. So they're going to get another shot on this September 3rd before people forget about it by Tuesday. But just keep that one in mind. So he said he told lawmakers without elaborating, also saying Epstein had introduced him to Bill Gates, more on him later, and Deepak Chopra. Black refused to characterize Epstein as his friend. You know, a guy who manages all of his estate planning, is paid, you know, tens of millions of dollars by Leon Black, whose house he goes and frequents, has breakfast at all the time, hangs out in his groups because he knows so many important people, definitely not his friend, right? Like, Joey Deep, that doesn't sound like a friend at all. That sounds like someone you hate. It's an acquaintance. Oh, I like how you're thinking. That's why you're a great lawyer. So it's a formality. You're changing the context of the term to something. Yeah. Like, we do business together, we meet people for lunch, but he's an acquaintance, you know? We don't talk about the ball games or the wife at home, you know? I don't know this guy. You don't know him at all? I don't know him. Yeah. I know about the guy he fucked over to get that biz done for us. That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. He knows all about that. And we drank to that. Oh, they drank to that. We drank to it. Yep. Cheers to it. But biz, or I'm sorry, personal stuff, no. I don't know the guy. He's not a friend of mine. He's an acquaintance. Okay. Well. Leon Black is due to now testify on video about his acquaintance, Jeffrey Epstein, according to his attorney, Joey Deef, is being referred to as his acquaintance. Oh, shit. Shit, boy. Oh, shit. I did it again. Oh, my God. Anyway, so we will be waiting for that with bated breath, and I predict, Joey Deef, that we will do our best here to not let that get lost in the news cycle. That's what I'll contend to you as. Yeah, we'll hold on to that one for sure. We'll hold on to that one. We'll make a note of that. So on our little corner of the internet, we'll do what we can, but it's going to require other people out there, many other people, to also be covering this as well. So stay tuned on that. But the soup du jour, I think I already used that once today. My bad. I got to come up with a better term. It's been a long week. But the story of the day is the Wall Street Journal bombshell about Dario Amadeus Weiss. So before I get into this fucking lady, oh, my God, there's so much material here. There is so much going on. There's so much going on with her timeline. When you look on gmail.world, which many of you out there already know this, but that is where there is a basic Gmail setup that is taking all of the government release files and making it as if you are logging into Jeffrey Epstein's Gmail. I will say on the chain, on the email chain, the main chain between Dario Amadeus' wife, Cammie Clark, and Jeffrey Epstein back in March 2011. Some of the times. Some of the times are a little weird and like don't make sense, meaning there's an email that looks like it got responded to that went out at 6.04 p.m. But then the response says 5.23 p.m. on the same day, which would mean that one came before. But the Wall Street Journal, I'm going to take their reporting on it. When they had it on their article, as far as I could tell, the timing lined up with like they had it in the specific. In the specific order. And we're reporting it as being in that order, which would make sense. But in today's episode of you can't possibly make this shit up. But oh, that's right. Yes, you can. Because it's real. Cammie Clark. Let me just walk you through her life a little bit. She's born in Reno, Nevada. Never been. Heard it's a nice place, right? Joey Deeth doesn't seem to sell them on that one. No, no. It's a great spot. Great spot. OK. Nevada rocks, dude. But when she's 20, marries a 64 year old casino guy. As you do in the state of Nevada. Maybe it was for love. Maybe it wasn't. They would divorce three years later. Do with that what you will. Ends up doing something. I don't even remember what it was. It's in this Wall Street Journal article. I'm just going off the noggin right here. To where she has to declare bankruptcy in 2009, which, you know, that's not great, but it's very. Nevada. '08 though. Hey, I get it. It's after '08. I get it. It's also a very Nevada thing to do. I get it. You get a casino, you go a little bust, you get a little bankruptcy, you come back. Yep. And Cami, I guess, always was relying on her youthful looks and ability to get men to like her that could then help her rise into the world, because when I look at her back story here. Yeah. The way that she talks with people, the way that she sells the things she's working on in the circles that she gets herself into. This is one of the most prototypical, if you're looking at it 30,000 feet in the air. One of the most prototypical charlatans you'll ever see someone who just wants to get involved and be around money and power and then feel like they can inject their voice into those things to feel important and hopefully share in said money and power. So let's go to the article now. Let's do it. Deep. So Darry Amadei quietly married this woman. And I want to say like 2021, he had been dating her since 2014, didn't seem to talk about the wedding. In fact, she's been pretty much scrubbed from the internet ahead of this story coming out. When you would Google Darry Amadei wife, it would show actually a picture of him and his sister who works at the company with him. And on Wikipedia, I don't know if it's changed now today with this, with this story, but his personal life would say he married in 2022, but not or 2021, whatever it was, but it's not listed her name or any details about her yet. They had been dating for so long. And whenever, even though she doesn't have an official job at Anthropic, whenever he went around the world and was going to places or whenever he went to give a big speech and stuff like that, she was always at his side. She was always viewed as a key advisor to him and someone who was like whispering in his ear and telling him what to do. And yeah, this story is going to end up at the world economic forum years ago. It's going to end up with fucking Eric Schmidt. The old CEO. It's going to end up with Google. It's going to end up with Jeffrey Epstein. It's, I mean, it's, it's juicy. It's it's loaded. Like who wrote this for wall street journal? This is, um, Keith Hageley and Luke Gerard Kummer. Yeah. Unfortunate. That's a Hagee and Kummer piece. Okay. All right. Pause. But I'm sure when they came across this one, their eyes got really big because they're like, there's no way this is real, but again, yes, it's real. So let's go down. Let's do it, let's start reading. already said that so it like when he went to go visit with modi the prime minister of india he was allowed to bring one guest and one person to sit in the meetings with him at this like summit and he brought his wife so she acts as a sounding board strategic advisor for amadei according to people close to the company she's also brought it anthropic a key early investor former google ceo eric schmidt whom she had dated damn son so she brought her ex to be the investor daddy of her she's cold-blooded cold-blooded anyway so the pair married in 2022 i mentioned that was all like quiet and they didn't have anything and anthropics ai chatbot claude responds to queries by saying daryl amit daryl amadei's marital status doesn't seem to be clearly confirmed they're like oh my god i'm not sure what's going on with you i'm not sure what's going on with you they're like oh my god i'm not sure what's going on with you they're like get off my lawn yo damn don't sit here all right so as anthropic hurdles towards an ipo that could top two trilly clark is one of the most influential voices shaping the decision of a ceo there's never been a situation where the ceo of like a major company has a wife who has no real actual knowledge of the product at hand and no official job at the company but who is the key advisor there's never been a situation where that goes wrong no yeah not sure not once especially especially when the ex-hubby put the money down that's right when she's cucking you with her ex in the company can't possibly go wrong this episode sponsored by she's birdie you lock the hotel room door then check it again and maybe one more time because even the nicest room can feel unfamiliar at night that's why she's birdie created birdie box with she's birdie you can bring peace of mind with you birdie box is a portable travel door alarm for hotels and hotels dorms airbnbs and anywhere you stay away from home just attach it to the door frame switch 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mind wherever you stay for safer more confident travel visit she's birdie.com that's s-h-e-s-b-i-r-d-i-e dot com so she made connections with powerful people including schmidt whom she brought into amadei's orbit the billionaire left roles at google and parent alphabet in 2020 and transitioned into investing into tech startups yada yada yada go down this is all the mytho stuff so clark born in reno nevada in 1979 was an entrepreneur and often interacted with the rich and powerful as well as up-and-comers in silicon valley the most important would turn out to be amadei whom she started dating in 2014 just previously beginning in 2011 and lasting for three years she was in a relationship with schmidt who was an executive chairman of google and then i guess she probably aged out i don't know anyway when they when they got together amadei was still an academic working as a postdoctoral scholar at stanford university school of medicine having earned a phd in computational neuroscience from princeton he would go on stints at baidu and google before joining open ai in 2016 so we'll go down all past this she introduced people at open ai to other people as well go up a little bit there d so when he left open ai dario back in 2020 he and his sister and five other employees raised and founded anthropic anthropic in may 21 announced that it raised 124 million for its series a so five months later they get 124 milli beef not bad how do we get that yeah well hey man five months five months what are we doing wrong anyway led by skype engineer john tolan and including facebook co-founder dustin moskowitz jane street founder james mcleave and the center for emerging risk research as well as schmidt that was a part of that 124 clark who wasn't yet married wanted equity in the new company she like honey i need my peace and that's a part of the prenup i need that according to documents reviewed by the journal in february 21 clark pitt schmidt on creating a new venture fund called the mother of agi fund its goal was to be an elegant solution to formalize cammy's involvement in anthropic and manage eric's investment and invest in the agi ecosystem according to a 40 page proposal others at anthropic including dario's own sister uh-oh problem drama in the household didn't support the plan according to people familiar with the matter and it didn't move forward by the end of the year associates said they recall seeing what looked like an engagement ring on clark's hand and not long afterwards the couple wed in italy that's what she did that's that's a classic move joey thief she tried to muscle into the company get him on his back feet have his whole his sister all his co-founders against it and she'd be like oh my god you know he's a nerd he he's a nerd he's a nerd he he outkicked his coverage here he's like oh my god no you can't have equity and she goes you know what honey you're right i shouldn't have equity but but what we should do is we should get married you should marry me she's like if you don't marry me you know what's gonna happen yeah yeah you know what's happening it's either equity or marriage you can't not have oh no that's not the she's like if you don't marry me uh-huh there ain't gonna there's not gonna be a wedding to celebrate there's gonna be a celebration of life pure spec pure spec maybe we'll edit that out i don't know respect all right so anthropic drew the ire of the trump administration earlier this year after amadei refused to drop restrictions on how claude could be used by the pentagon the government label anthropica supply chain risk and pentagon partners were effectively banned from using its technology in their work with the defense let's go down joey deep with their defense department a designation the company is challenged in court and actually as a side note i don't know if there's like a lot more there and it's all a facade i don't know if there's like a lot more there and it's all a facade i don't know or whatever but i did like that i i appreciated not giving all the way in to just fucking handing over these tools that we don't even know how to control yet at the behest of any government regardless of who's in charge of it but maybe there's more there the administration added restrictions on additional ai models in june that were later dropped the standoff brought unwelcome attention to the company head of its ipo this is where it gets interesting clark has recently told people involved in politics that the company sees its mission as protecting america and isn't as quote woke as its detractors might think it is according to people familiar with the matter and in a case of all these people know each other and all these people just find a way to get in the circle and fuck at the sun valley conference in july where she spent much of the week by her husband's side she had lunch with ivanka trump a friend and chatted with jared kushner whom amadei had approached earlier in the year to invest people familiar with the matter said how many times do we got to give an optics class here uh i don't even know if we should say it anymore i don't even like get boring if we keep saying it's it's just from a pr perspective yeah they just never figured out it never stops so clark's early years show a young woman we're getting to jeffrey epstein here this is we're just we're just laying the groundwork and then we're gonna have fun with these emails clark's early years show a young woman hustling to succeed at a range of businesses many she founded including a porn company targeting women nice it's all about feminine freedom i guess in 1999 that's when she married that 64 year old and she was a dropout from architecture school which is very closely related to technology innovation vc and ai joey d i can see exactly you know the correlation entrepreneur yeah yeah absolutely property records so show she moved to san francisco in 1999 spent a decade there before spending time in new york and los angeles in that period she worked for a mortgage brokerage company while raising money for a later venture she would describe herself as the co-founder of log financial corp the company's 20 2005 incorporation documents don't include her name so she on record she should be capping she's got a history of people screwing her out of equity that's right well or or joey d if she has a history of claiming she should have equity or lying about her fucking merits on a resume i think that's sounds more where i'm leaning yeah a lender foreclosed on her san francisco apartment in 2007 and two years later she filed for bankruptcy according to property records of court filing around 2010 she had a comeback though she and michelle copa fallow capo cephalo capo cephalo started edis which is described as quote a revolutionary porn company unquote and joey d if i were starting a revolutionary porn company and to be clear i'm not but if i were you know who i would name it after who my grandmother name for edis i would not do that to be clear name for edis munson clark's maternal grandmother it aimed to emphasize sex positivity in a male-oriented porn industry and carried the tagline oh this oh this is the past intellectually promiscuous so dave imagine you're just sitting there yeah you're yanking and banking okay i think that's what the kids on the internet are saying these days right gooning you're going i'm going you're going i'm going and you just realize that while you may be you know promiscuous doing this on your own time you're at least firing up your intellectual neurons so that at the same time as you getting dopamine pleasure jerking off to some fucking poor girl who probably got sex traffic to do that porn even though they are well they are they they are a revolutionary they're revolutionary they're claiming they probably vet and do all that pure spec maybe they didn't do that but either way while you're doing that you are at least getting more intellectual capacity you're getting smarter it's almost like you're going to college while you're beaten off yeah yeah that's pretty cool that's pretty cool it's pretty cool right yeah well that's how they sold it all right it included a blog that gathered content with titles such as quote lady porn day and orgasm inc okay it also highlighted the work of intellectuals you need that in an intellectually stimulated environment such as pundit clay shirky and marketing expert and author seth godin ah man they hit godin in here seth does some great work poor guy that's fine this way he's just a little horny is all well i mean he may not have known that they mentioned him yeah i don't know he's a hero and he doesn't i don't want to put that out there on him at one point after alerting readers that his paypal account had been frozen what a lot of freezing of assets bankruptcies failed companies you know what did i say keep trying until you succeed yeah that's the game he's trying clark's company announced on its website that it was crowdsourcing funding we are raising 350k to produce edis.com and our first four films american girl in paris damn a four-parter right out the gate that's a little ambitious i could tell you as a filmmaker myself to come out with a four-part series right out the gates that's a lot it's also where they filmed taken yeah but paris well listen the french that could that could do pretty well in the french market but a four-part series a little ambitious guys yeah or gals and one of her pitches part of which was reviewed by the journal clark said her resume included real estate and entrepreneurial investments as well as the power of the internet and the power of the internet and the power of the internet as well as distribution and brand strategy consultant interior design architectural background let's just throw a lot of buzzwords at the page of anything i've ever she's a polymath that's right she's a bot man she's like actually a modern day ben franklin yeah that's how all these he was a horned dog too all these well i mean listen what did i say all great men are perverts but not all perverts are great men i'm gonna leave that one right there's there's a there's some sort of truth i don't know god you always hit us with the hard truth joey thief it's a hard truth i don't know if that's true no i don't know if that's true it's it's it's it sounds like it sounded like yeah i guess that's right it sounded like a bar for sure but this is where they cross paths yeah with our longtime nemesis jeffrey epstein and this is where i was reviewing these emails which i also i know we'll put them up in a second but i hate to see that so clark and capocephalo attended the 2011 digital life design conference in munich a tech media science and art salon that executives often stop by on their way to the world economic forum in davos so it's like you know it's like a flyover right a little pit stop you know you get a longer layover maybe it's at heathrow you go to the pub you tie one back for like 10 hours you meet some random fucking people that you're not going to remember you get on the next flight and when you land you're like how the fuck did i get here that's all they're doing yeah it's very innocent joey deep i don't know why you're looking at him so suspicious i'm just surprised they didn't have it in berlin it's more sex positive it is more sex positive i've heard that i've heard guys i don't know maybe people from berlin can check in on that one anyway that year the keynote speech was the keynote speech was given by schmidt this is right around the time she started dating him too then still ceo of google little is publicly known about the three-year relationship between clark and schmidt who remains married to another woman schmidt was also invested in the business of clark and capocephalo and one of clark's startups which focused on women's health according to people familiar with the matter she's all about all about empowering women you gotta admire that you know yeah i respect it at the munich conference clark and copacephala capos i'm never gonna say that right met with john brockman a literary agent of scientific books who introduced epstein to academics and silicon valley elites according to epstein documents recently released by the justice department now i want to take a little sidebar here sidebar john brockman is a guy we haven't talked about a ton on this show and it deserves another look at some point as he was described there correctly he was this literary agent who represented all kinds of people but he was the head of the edge foundation and this is what sucks about the edge foundation and this is what the epstein network would do dude all they had to do is just get some association with you and they could taint you forever yep but the edge foundation featured i don't know if you've heard of it but the edge foundation featured i don't know if you've the site's still up i haven't been on it in a while but as of a couple years ago it featured every fucking known scientist as in anyone who's ever done anything of note i'm exaggerating a little bit here but not that much in the science field whether it's physics astronomy you name it like they're on it they're on it they're they're all in it and this guy was connected to all of them and he was the head of the edge foundation and he was the head of the and i say that because he was a perfect he was a perfect dude to be like a pimp in this game because he had the intellectual backing of an organization with enormous human capital and connections that went way beyond the scientist by the way to where he could be a king maker and someone who could introduce people to people so he had so much power and so much power that he could be a king maker and someone who could introduce people to people so he had so much power that he could be a king maker and someone who could social business trust of a lot of people but all the while he was boys with jeffrey epstein thrown all these parties that was actually the guy i believe if i'm remembering correctly that doug rushkoff mentioned was running that party brockman yeah that he went to in like 98 or 99 that he later found out epstein was attending i was gonna say too with science like with people that are doing research and your work always is coming to you and you're like oh my god i'm gonna you're like oh my god i'm gonna down to grants and it's it's literally the perfect storm same with like all the arts like all the different artists that are caught up in this too those fields it's it's you're whoring yourself out yes and then even like let's play it out this way there's some people who then ended up being compromised and blackmailed or obviously in some cases were even just straight up sick individuals yeah yeah pedophilia and shit like that but it poisons its bed apples poison the whole well because then anyone including people that maybe never actually went to a party of that type or whatever who just happen to be listed on that foundation similarly to how i've described how epstein and maxwell would just take a photo with people over the years and now it's just there forever this can taint them and like have to pull them in to being questioned about all these relationships and by the way fairly so we've seen so many people that are like guilty of something like that and they're like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so something you know in some cases clearly the worst things that like of course all of us in the general public are going to look at someone and be like what the fuck man i mean i'll say without naming names or whatever like i i there are people when again we got to check if it's up but on that edge foundation list scientists who i know yeah well that's why it's like you should have to answer there's nothing wrong with that especially if you did nothing wrong like if i did nothing wrong i'm one of these people i would be like dude you should talk about who's got a mic yeah you got a mic so i'm not saying those names right now but if i have on like there's two guys i'm thinking of if i have them on you gotta i'm gonna ask him about it and i i think knowing what i know now especially you have to do that you have to do that so stay tuned because now now that's percolating i might have to do that but as i said at the munich conference this is where they met brockman brockman introduced the women to epstein that march 2011 writing that he was headed to a wired magazine party where brockman was the guest of honor he told epstein quote you should connect for dinner with my girls cammy and michelle they're in la raising money for a porn movie aimed at the women's market he then shared the website for it so i want to point this out john brockman i believe was also present it's been a while so maybe check me on this i believe he was present for the december 2010 dinner that i think peggy siegel helped put together that was like the welcome home party for jeffrey epstein from prison this is a longtime friend of epstein he knew damn well what epstein went to prison for jeffrey epstein at the time that he's writing that email to him about this fucking porn company is a registered sex offender and john brockman has no hesitation saying you should connect with these two girls they were women but Either way, you know what I mean? have this porn company as if it's a business opportunity for him. Again, these are people that just play by a different set of rules. Am I right? No, it's just, it's, I was just thinking optics again. It's like, yeah, it's crazy. So Brockman concluded the March 3rd email by noting a birthday party being thrown for him that Saturday saying Clark and Capocephalo would be there. Clark followed up on the email soon after writing to Epstein. So this is Cammie Clark, Daria Amadei's now wife. Hello, Jeffrey. We would love to have dinner with you this evening. She sent him her cell phone number. John Brockman didn't respond to requests for comments for the story because of course he didn't. The next week, Clark sent Epstein an email with an attachment. We thought you and the ladies might enjoy the script treatment for our first four films, American Girl in Paris, a little NSFW, not safe for workplace, she wrote. A year later, she reached back out to Epstein. At first, he didn't remember her. She replied that they had been introduced by Brockman a year earlier. We have the free luxury porn company. Does that ring a bell? And this is where I'm going with the Wall Street Journal's timeline of when these emails were sent. This is what I was referencing earlier where when you look at J-mail, they're like kind of out of order, but the Wall Street Journal and their reporting and their review has put this in order. So we're going to go with this. All right. And if that's later proven incorrect and there's something we're missing here, we will correct that. But this is what they got. So they say, we have the, she says to Epstein, we have the free luxury porn company. Jeffrey Epstein replies, yes, a loud gong. It didn't just ring a bell. He fucking, yeah, I'm not even going to make a joke there. Clark joked back, ha ha, I was going to say you would be the first person that didn't remember this. She then pitched him on investing in her company, saying that they had just hired someone from Oprah Winfrey. That's sick. And Ashton Kutcher's catalyst, the media company behind the shows like Punk'd. Are you still interested? Epstein, then a registered sex offender, replied, can't do sex TV. So he, at some point in this conversation, this is added context because I have the emails in front of me. He also mentions to what appears to be Cammie Clark that he's in the Caribbean until April. As you recall, I live here. But I'm willing to look at whatever you think viable. And then that's obviously where this comes up. And he says, I can't do sex TV. She goes, so that email where she said you'd be the first person who didn't remember us. She also said at any rate, are you in NY? Would be great to catch up. I'm in San Francisco slash LA till Wednesday, then back. And she's signing all these off as Cammie Clark. So they are from her. Officially jealous. She says, officially, jealous on the Caribbean front. We'll intro you to Jennifer Zuccarini via email. I personally, all caps, love what she did with Kiki DM. There is another girl who is starting a mid-price lingerie line with an interesting distribution model. We'll send you her things when she has them together, probably in the next week or so. So she's throwing them all the things related to women and their bodies. Staying on brand, I guess. It's fair. Right? It's fair. Staying on brand. So full steam ahead. We just, this is another email. We just hired the head of programming and develop from and development from Oprah's network. And prior to that Ashton's catalyst, we're highly focused on creating amazing content. Amaze only the best, which landed us firmly in Hollywood where things operate at a very different timetable. We might be raising another round. And so this is where he had then said, like, can't do it because he's in, you know, it's, it's, it's a sex company. So she goes, I didn't think so. Smiley face being a lingerie supporters equally as good, we're also about to raise a round for a social dieting app and website geared towards where everything's about women. She got a lot of ideas for women. I don't think any of these came to fruition, but it was good enough that she's now like the key advisor for one of the key fucking AI companies on earth. That's worth a couple trillion, neither here nor there. We're also about to raise a round for a social dieting app and website geared towards women integrates the data from all of our health monitoring devices, Fitbit, Fitbit, Jawbone, Up, Body Media, Fitcore, Arm Band, Nike Fuel Band, Withingskill, MC10. Let us combine with user inputted data about nutrition. Users will be able to photograph food for portion size calculations, prescription and supplement regimen, menstrual cycle and location via GPS, mood, et cetera, via push notifications, not spying on you at all. Obviously like all these opposite in fairness, I'm in like all these apps do. Yeah. Joey D loves getting like, I'm in information is then aggregated to create rich data results and infographics of each user's patterns, habits, and lifestyle. Honey, I'm just telling you, this is already TLDR like this guy, Jeff, he's, uh, these rich people, they're like a one or two lines. Get the point across. You're at fucking line eight right now. He has already dozed off, which by the way, he never responded to this email. Anyway, users can share this information or opt out with other users, Facebook style to get examples and templates of what works for real women over a broad range of lifestyle diet management and weight loss services are massive, but deeply fragmented markets. 61 billion sales in the U S $586 billion. Globally online sales are growing quickly and tremendous potential for mobile. Is that anything that you'd be interested in? That's like the fucking entourage guy. Is that something you might be interested in? You might be interested in fucking Martin Landau, dude. So good. That's effectively the end of the article. Other than Epstein received an automated note from LinkedIn in 2013, that he should congratulate Clark for her new role as CEO of female algorithm technologies, Traces of it online are scant except for a Tumblr account with the edgy aesthetic that combined photos of nude women, a portrait of Steve Jobs with an early Mac, and all caps mottos like great minds fuck each other using the full expletive and let's make lots of money. And that's a great way that Keech Hagley ended this article. It's perfectly on brand. If I could summarize this girl's life, it is all about fucking her way to the top and trying to get rich quick and get around powerful people so that she can just snag off the fucking ends of it. And now, you know, she probably seduced this relatively nerdy guy and is cucking him with her ex and is caught up in these files after they tried to scrub her from the internet, which would suggest, it would suggest pure spec here, Joey D, pure spec. But it would suggest that. Carrie O'Amade, or whoever had that information scrubbed, and I would think he probably knew about that considering how Claude answers these responses itself. It would suggest that they knew maybe the past wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. How many more of these are going to drop? How many more people in this space? I think we missed something in that article, by the way. She was involved in all those effective altruism groups on Silicon Valley, which is good. Chef's kiss. But, like, how many more times are we going to see someone near, around, or in power in the structure today in 2026 who is caught up with the most notorious sex trafficker in modern history? I think you could kind of think it's most of the new class, if you will. The new class. They were freshmen back then. They were freshmen. They're seniors now. They're seniors. They're in charge. You know? Class president. You see someone walking around high school, but you don't know exactly what grade they're in. But then once they're a senior, you know they're a senior, and you're like, oh, they're in that class. They're in that class. And they're all in that class. It seems that way. Pure spec. Pure spec, but it's a loaded class. They got some heavy hitters in that class. They got heavy hitters, and the doors outside are locked. We tried to, like, just get in and, like, videotape it for you guys so you could find out what's happening. Security kicked us out. They're rebelling. They're putting orange soda in the water fountains right now. That's absolutely right. Absolutely right. So, Bill Gates' daughter, Phoebe, mentioned this out front. Big cookie stuffer. Can we pull up a picture of Phoebe's? Yeah, let me get that. Just, you know, lay down the visual here. This plot that she's now implicated in has charges that could be listed up to 20 years in prison. By the way. As Joey Deef said to me earlier off camera, I'm betting on the under there. Yeah. Yeah, she ain't doing 20 years. I would have to do this 20 years. Joey Deef's doing every bit of those 20 years. They might be like, you know what? Fuck it. 35. You know what? Joey Deef is going to go stuff some cookies, pause, later tonight, and they'll give him the 20 that they would give her. And he'll be the whipping boy. I remember that book. That's exactly right. In grade school. You're just a whipping boy. That's it. They're going to be like, all right, well, now that two people have committed the crime, bad girl, Phoebe. But Joey Deef will do the time for you. Guess I'm doing a hard 20. A hard 20. Pause. By the way, this is from Akash Gupta on Twitter. He laid out that cookie stuffing has already sent two men to federal prison. Sean Hogan made $28 million as eBay's number one affiliate before the FBI raided his home. Brian Dunning, the number two, took in 5.2. Both pleaded guilty. So they pled it down to wire fraud. They didn't go to trial. And they were given, I believe it was like, yeah, Hogan got fined. got five months dunning got 15 isn't that funny how the leader who made more got five months and his number two who made like one six of what he made got fucking 15 months isn't it funny how the girl who like founded this company is not going to do 20 years with some schmucks gonna do like nine yeah it's hilarious that's exactly classic biz so as a review what what i mentioned at the outset of the episode just so we're clear is that this company fia which phoebe founded with what's her name kiani keanu reeves yeah can we just get that girl's full name that she founded it with i forget but as a part of this bloomberg investigation that bloomberg shout out did a great job on kiani sorry sophia kiani yes is the other one and then it's phoebe gates okay so bloomberg did this great reporting and also a long time fraud researcher named ben ben edelman did his job on kiani and then phoebe kiani and then phoebe kiani and then phoebe kiani and then his own reporting as well and was really on to this but i'm gonna oversimplify it because some of this gets like a little technical but essentially their company fia allows users to utilize coupons to get deals on the internet they were putting cookies which are those things you have to hit accept and reject to that none of us ever think about what the fuck it is it's so through their internet navigation if you will to then automatically get credit for sales that they did not drive i am oversimplifying it but that is effectively what they did and that is what we laid out in bloomberg's initial reporting which was back in july at the time that bloomberg reported it the company fia went oh my god no this oh my god and they went in they're like no no no no we didn't do this oh my god there's some cookie stuffing going on we had no idea yep not a clue and i know you and i bought that yeah yeah they're like we just found out yesterday like holy shit and they turned it off oh they turned it right off they respect they were so blown away i respect and they went to bloomberg and they said thank you thank you for looking out for our company we never ever try to skim money off the top of thank you for pointing this out you have made our company a better place but bloomberg wasn't done there and apparently neither was edelman so again shout out to both of them and they decided to go in and take a deeper look make some calls uh it's not good they you know what they did joe d who'd they call you know what they did what'd they do they did a little door knocking oh they were just like old school on the ground colombo type investing and they went inside this company what i'm looking this way and that way exactly that's a hundred percent you got the old lady looking through the window going oh my god what's happening because she lives for the neighborhood gossip and she just sees them on the doorstep saying we gotta talk yeah right don't know what they're talking about but i believe can we check this deep they raised like 35 million in funding yeah was that right i believe so it was tens of millions of dollars they raised it from people like billy bieber i think a kardashian gave him some money yeah yeah definitely no one who's in any way a connection that she was able to meet through her father through you know because obviously phoebe's out there finding good money herself completely but yeah so they raised all this money and bloomberg was saying they were doing this cookie stuffing thing they say oh my god we weren't doing it so once they turned off the cookie stuffing because they couldn't believe it was even on they had no idea about it bloomberg was able to continue to investigate and see that their revenues immediately came down something from like 80 000 a month on this to in the neighborhood of 10 000 it is in this article from bloomberg you type in 80 000 find next yeah so i can get it right i want to make sure i have the figures that they got so after fiat disabled the features in early july average daily revenue at the company dropped from about eighty thousand dollars a day to between ten and twenty eight thousand the chart shows a slack message posted by a fiat data scientist on july seventh and reviewed by bloomberg estimated the cookie stuffing accounted for about fifty one percent of the merchandise value fiat claimed credit for selling in june so more than half of their company's revenue was coming from what do we call this joey beef scam fraud that's right that's right and you know what lazy fraud this is the fraud as as our friend matt cox would say this is this is sloppy fraud well look at she's twenty three years old that's that is some classic immature childish fraud she just didn't know now you might have to learn a lesson but you won't she she won't because joey deep has already signed on to be her attorney pay me some of that fear money joey joey that's that's right joey deep's gonna get some of the revenue come on now turn the turn the stuff back on if the if you're gonna pay for my retainer the cookie don't fit you must have quit that's right he's already got it ready to go i'm gonna need you to turn that back on because i got a retainer that's right he's you make sure just as long as he gets his retainer we'll forgive the fraud yeah you know and then i'll just blow the case you'll get 30 that's right that's right joey deep's got to raise some money in the influencer world out there there's a lot of aesthetic things that he's working on in his life buying a mansion with money he can't afford and this is how he's gonna get it yeah yeah help me out or on the i'm doomed you know doomed doomed anyway so their cut their revenue split in more than half after this occurs and what i meant by bloomberg going to knock on some doors is they went to employees engineers it sounds like sources within the company and they were able to get access to slack text that date all the way back to december damn and in the words of pretty much every legal textbook that i've been told about i didn't go to law school maybe my lawyers can help me out here this is where you find the quote-unquote smoking gun i don't even know if that's in legal textbooks but we use it in popular parlance yeah forgive me if i'm wrong either way you get the point it is made very clear in slack messages that bloomberg was able to review and verify that they also if you scroll all the way down joey deep they recreate at the very bottom go all the way down to the bottom of the article keep going keep going past the cookie stuff and keep going right there they recreate these different conversations from december 2025 where phoebe and her co-founder kiani that's how you say it right yep uh yeah sophia kiani are going back and forth with engineers where they are admit like i read through these and like it's a little bit technical but i read through them a couple different times and i'd like all of you guys to read through this as for yourself to see you know what your takeaway was which by the way this is this is one of those you can archive.is and see if it comes up because it's bloomberg which is you know another service so we mike ben's this and we were able to see it but from what i can see and what bloomberg took away is that phoebe and her co-founder are both acknowledging in these conversations that in this case phoebe and her co-founder are both acknowledging in these conversations that in they instruct the engineers to make sure that effectively and i'm oversimplifying that they continue it even when in one at least one of these conversations there was an engineer expressing some issue with this going hey i don't know about this guys and i think it was i can't remember if it was phoebe or her co-founder who said listen you know as long as we keep the revenue we got to keep the revenue above x amount a day because you know biz and you know however that has to happen let's make it happen because that's what they're doing and they're not going to be able to do that because this is now here's what i don't understand joey thief i i don't know what it's like to have a dad who's worth fucking whatever bill gates is worth 100 billion dollars he has signed a pledge to give away all of his money after he infects all the farmland around the world and apparently and money doesn't matter anymore right here this is a better time but i think what i'm what i'm getting at here is i think it's fair to say prior to starting this company phoebe gates was not missing anything else right i'm not worried about her being out on the street i'm sure she's got a very nice life she has no need to start a company at all but like hey you know you want to be an entrepreneur you want to go make something yourself in the world you know if you're using daddy's connections to go raise some fucking money that you don't have to risk because it's other people's money you do it neither here nor there you go out there you try to build a company joey thief i can respect that yeah it's when you do the fraud phoebe it's when you do the fraud as the bloomberg seems to have caught you dead the rights that's when i stop respecting it now this is another key moment where we are seeing in our roman empire symbolic life here yeah an elite situation phoebe gates you know through no fault of her own is born into that elite world and she seems more than happy to enjoy and reap the fruits and benefits of it including at the expense of the everyman you know the as in her customers this is where we are going to see whether or not the double standard plays out for the fucking trillionth time here because as far as i can tell and now i'm being serious joey deep if you or i did this we'd be in handcuffs right yeah for sure but if this report came out fbi open up and we'll open up yeah all right you got us lawyer okay and we're going to jail all right and all you out there listening unless you're phoebe gates or someone like that you're going to jail yeah but not phoebe gates right now so i'll hold my breath joey deep but i think i'm gonna be dead before we record the next episode yeah i think i could see that council's probably gonna make an argument of like a teenage fever dream in this case you know born in 2002 2018 the oceans 8 movie comes out that's the female spin-off of the ocean series so she's like 16 ish yes so she's a teenager that was probably one of her favorite movies and she's like talking to her girlfriends like we should do this shit we should do this shit that's right and then they started this business and she's like we're gonna be like sandra bullock like we're gonna be like rianne hathaway like we're gonna do this yeah and they you know they got they flew too close to the sun they did and you know we'll see if she learns a lesson now i think you cook there but yeah i think the count that's all that matters that's a great point joey deep that's all that matters as long as she learns her lesson and just doesn't do this again yeah we can forgive that right it's like remember like when your dad like infected was that her mother oh you know what well let's when you're doing the yeah just you could just pull that out i i believe in that old that's awesome that's just i forgot that it's just but you know it's just like you gotta look at the people around you in in like like if there's one great thing about being born into that world of the elite is that you're gonna see a lot of incredible wins and oh god the losses you're gonna witness in that world as a kid oh you're gonna see crazy losses you gotta learn you like you're gonna get the best education of the world possible when you're growing up in those circles because you're gonna see the best and the worst like on the the highest and lowest scale you would have they don't learn you would have thought they don't learn joey if you would have thought on that note yeah you know she watched it the debranding if you i don't know if that's a term but you know what i mean of her father the bad optics right of especially the last six to seven years right where he went from some people still respected him in society to fucking everyone can't stand him and you would have thought she would have been like you know what i may be young but here is the room and thou shalt read it but then you know what happened she came into the living room and bill sitting there in his little sweater and he's eating some larva and like drinking the green juice and she's like like what are you gonna do now like isn't this whore and he's like honey honey honey i still got all the money that's right i still got all the money and then your mother left me and maybe that's what happened she didn't learn the lesson she's like oh yeah he's right he's right yeah he disgraced his name yeah the brand is ruined but he's got the money he's got the moolah he's got the money he's got the moolah which can we scroll up to a picture of phoebe gates yeah real quick that's that's that's that's kiani no no not that one that's not as good there was one that was an older picture not that one go up oh you know what it was it was the one on the new york post go to twitter real fast okay because those are older pictures you know oh wait so yeah yeah that's that that's combining two names bill gates and his wife not the best aesthetic genetics going on there no no no offense she did all right i'll give her that i'll give her that yeah she's got a future well because it cancels out if both the parents that's right cancels out that's right you know like the right genes just well yeah they say hot people have ugly kids i mean she's not a 10 but like you know she's not a fucking five i will give her that but regardless of what she is she should be going to jail yeah sorry phoebes and that as they say is that so we'll continue as we said last time we'll continue to monitor that case we'll check it out looking at you cash patel f cash patel's fbl looking which way are you looking that's what i'm saying i'm looking at your right eye and i need that left one to come back over here that's hunting this one's fishing i need you fishing on both of them you know like in cartoons when they get hit and the birds are flying around like because they're days that's what i imagine he's doing every time he's just looking around he's just in his days he's seeing the fucking fractals he's doing something but we said out front luigi pled guilty and i said that i talked to lauren conlon so let's pull up the first article right there that has like an outline of some of the things he said in court because cbs was reporting this tmc was reporting this obviously it's news that happened in court but this one goes down where he said in court in the open i knew what i was doing and so his defense attorney came to court and he said in court in the open i knew what i was doing and so his defense attorney came to court in the open i knew what i was doing and so his defense attorney karen agnifilo who i believe karen agnifilo who i believe karen agnifilo who i believe her husband represented diddy he's he is her husband represented diddy he's he is her husband represented diddy he's he is very well defended from an attorney very well defended from an attorney very well defended from an attorney perspective you know she and luigi perspective you know she and luigi perspective you know she and luigi decided to file this decided to file this decided to file this plea today which apparently was seen to plea today which apparently was seen to plea today which apparently was seen to be coming in some circles talking to be coming in some circles talking to be coming in some circles talking to lauren yeah and so much so that the lauren yeah and so much so that the lauren yeah and so much so that the family members of brian thompson who is family members of brian thompson who is family members of brian thompson who is the former ceo of united healthcare who the former ceo of united healthcare who the former ceo of united healthcare who luigi mangione luigi mangione luigi mangione i guess is admitting now that he did in i guess is admitting now that he did in i guess is admitting now that he did in fact kill fact kill fact kill the family members were there to see this the family members were there to see this the family members were there to see this but i'm going to read this straight from but i'm going to read this straight from but i'm going to read this straight from what happened in the courtroom luigi what happened in the courtroom luigi what happened in the courtroom luigi mangione admitted to the cold-blooded mangione admitted to the cold-blooded mangione admitted to the cold-blooded killing of united healthcare ceo brian killing of united healthcare ceo brian killing of united healthcare ceo brian thompson pleading guilty friday to thompson pleading guilty friday to thompson pleading guilty friday to federal stalking charges as the slain federal stalking charges as the slain federal stalking charges as the slain executive's widow cried silently in the executive's widow cried silently in the executive's widow cried silently in the courtroom gallery courtroom gallery courtroom gallery mangione drew glares from thompson's mangione drew glares from thompson's mangione drew glares from thompson's relatives as he walked into the relatives as he walked into the relatives as he walked into the manhattan federal courtroom with his manhattan federal courtroom with his manhattan federal courtroom with his hands uncuffed behind his back but his hands uncuffed behind his back but his hands uncuffed behind his back but his ankles shackled wearing a beige prison ankles shackled wearing a beige prison ankles shackled wearing a beige prison jumpsuit with a long sleeve white shirt jumpsuit with a long sleeve white shirt jumpsuit with a long sleeve white shirt rolled up to his elbows rolled up to his elbows rolled up to his elbows several of thompson's relatives several of thompson's relatives several of thompson's relatives including his widow sat in the second including his widow sat in the second including his widow sat in the second row of the courtroom i'd be accused row of the courtroom i'd be accused row of the courtroom i'd be accused killers he strolled in took a seat and killers he strolled in took a seat and killers he strolled in took a seat and intently read and then signed a intently read and then signed a intently read and then signed a document with lawyers mr mangione is document with lawyers mr mangione is document with lawyers mr mangione is prepared to plead guilty to the prepared to plead guilty to the prepared to plead guilty to the indictment at this time defense attorney indictment at this time defense attorney indictment at this time defense attorney karen agnifilo agnifilo told the judge karen agnifilo agnifilo told the judge karen agnifilo agnifilo told the judge let's go down let's go down let's go down to where he says to where he says to where he says all right so according to mangione he all right so according to mangione he all right so according to mangione he had quote emailed united healthcare had quote emailed united healthcare had quote emailed united healthcare leadership while posing as an investor leadership while posing as an investor leadership while posing as an investor requesting details to the conference and requesting details to the conference and requesting details to the conference and received received received an immediate response and joey d if you an immediate response and joey d if you an immediate response and joey d if you were telling me that you saw he had were telling me that you saw he had were telling me that you saw he had previously just emailed regularly and previously just emailed regularly and previously just emailed regularly and didn't get a response and then when he didn't get a response and then when he didn't get a response and then when he posed as like a really wealthy investor posed as like a really wealthy investor posed as like a really wealthy investor you can't go killing people in the street you can't go killing people in the street you can't go killing people in the street period i don't care what it is that period i don't care what it is that period i don't care what it is that doesn't solve problems i think most of doesn't solve problems i think most of doesn't solve problems i think most of us who have even slightly lived through us who have even slightly lived through us who have even slightly lived through anything that involves healthcare costs anything that involves healthcare costs anything that involves healthcare costs can agree we have a very broken system can agree we have a very broken system can agree we have a very broken system in this country and the companies like in this country and the companies like in this country and the companies like this are certainly at fault for that and this are certainly at fault for that and this are certainly at fault for that and the government as well and the system the government as well and the system the government as well and the system that's been set up that's been set up that's been set up that said it is also that said it is also that said it is also you know when you talk about like the let you know when you talk about like the let you know when you talk about like the let them eat cake you'll do what i them eat cake you'll do what i them eat cake you'll do what i tell you to do and pay what i tell you tell you to do and pay what i tell you tell you to do and pay what i tell you to pay regardless of what your situation to pay regardless of what your situation to pay regardless of what your situation is and if you die on the street go yourself is and if you die on the street go yourself is and if you die on the street go yourself like attitude that people put on like attitude that people put on like attitude that people put on a lot of these companies and i fully a lot of these companies and i fully a lot of these companies and i fully understand that understand that understand that you know obviously this kid was already you know obviously this kid was already you know obviously this kid was already upset about it with his own struggles he upset about it with his own struggles he upset about it with his own struggles he was going through but was going through but was going through but optically when he's not getting a optically when he's not getting a optically when he's not getting a response to things and then response to things and then response to things and then poses as someone wealthy and poses as someone wealthy and poses as someone wealthy and immediately gets a response that's not immediately gets a response that's not immediately gets a response that's not exactly helping stereotypes yeah i will exactly helping stereotypes yeah i will exactly helping stereotypes yeah i will say that part as an editorial say that part as an editorial say that part as an editorial but he said quote before traveling to but he said quote before traveling to but he said quote before traveling to new york i used a 3d printer to make a new york i used a 3d printer to make a new york i used a 3d printer to make a gun on the morning of december 4 2024 i gun on the morning of december 4 2024 i gun on the morning of december 4 2024 i shot mr thompson in manhattan and he shot mr thompson in manhattan and he shot mr thompson in manhattan and he died when i did so i understood my died when i did so i understood my died when i did so i understood my maximum sentence of life in federal maximum sentence of life in federal maximum sentence of life in federal prison if he challenged his plea and prison if he challenged his plea and prison if he challenged his plea and if he changed his plea from not guilty if he changed his plea from not guilty if he changed his plea from not guilty to guilty but said she would not be to guilty but said she would not be to guilty but said she would not be handing down a sentence at the friday handing down a sentence at the friday handing down a sentence at the friday hearing manjoni will next face trial in hearing manjoni will next face trial in hearing manjoni will next face trial in the new york state court on second degree the new york state court on second degree the new york state court on second degree murder weapons and forgery charges murder weapons and forgery charges jury selection is scheduled to begin jury selection is scheduled to begin jury selection is scheduled to begin september 8th so september 8th so september 8th so i want to relay some of the things lauren i want to relay some of the things lauren i want to relay some of the things lauren conlan who you should follow on conlan who you should follow on conlan who you should follow on instagram she does and and on x she instagram she does and and on x she instagram she does and and on x she does some great reporting i had her in does some great reporting i had her in does some great reporting i had her in here earlier this spring to cover the here earlier this spring to cover the here earlier this spring to cover the missing scientist case and all that she missing scientist case and all that she missing scientist case and all that she she does a great job but she does a great job but she does a great job but murder charges either way they got some murder charges either way they got some murder charges either way they got some serious charges knocked out and this serious charges knocked out and this serious charges knocked out and this charge was like stalking with the intent charge was like stalking with the intent charge was like stalking with the intent to kill and in pleading guilty as you to kill and in pleading guilty as you to kill and in pleading guilty as you can see from the transcript here a part can see from the transcript here a part can see from the transcript here a part of that plea i guess a part of the of that plea i guess a part of the of that plea i guess a part of the agreement maybe some lawyers can help me agreement maybe some lawyers can help me agreement maybe some lawyers can help me out as to how this would officially work out as to how this would officially work out as to how this would officially work with the paperwork behind the scenes with the paperwork behind the scenes with the paperwork behind the scenes that then leads to what he says in court that then leads to what he says in court that then leads to what he says in court but luigi is admitting that he but luigi is admitting that he but luigi is admitting that he shot brian thompson so he's admitting shot brian thompson so he's admitting shot brian thompson so he's admitting to the murder but he's pleading to a to the murder but he's pleading to a to the murder but he's pleading to a charge that is like charge that is like charge that is like not murder one in the this case as the court said he does face a penalty of up to life without parole what lauren speculated with me is that this is the kind of plea that he will get like 25 years for and now what's happening joey def there's a second article right there from cbs news is and this is what lauren was referring to when she was saying it was some brilliant lawyering is now luigi's defense team in avoiding this federal trial that was set for january they have that closed off they are now attempting to argue that the charges at the state level would be a double jeopardy type situation meaning he can't be charged twice for the same crime and this is where it gets way above my legal pay pay grade i've heard of that term before i've heard of i've heard of a term like that i think it's also double jeopardy maybe we can google this live now deep to where like when someone gets you know you get a penalty of up to life without parole what lauren speculated with me is that acquitted they can't get recharged with the same crime or something like that this double jeopardy was referring to that's that's double jeopardy that is under the fifth amendment so let's go to cbs news so i don't fuck this up but there's like a double jeopardy argument now in what he just did can we just do fine next double jeopardy because this is the first part okay the first part just goes through what we already went through so his state yeah go up to that first one so despite being a single this is what manjoni's attorney karen friedman agnifilo spoke after he entered his guilty plea and what she said despite this being a single isolated event mr manjoni has been unfairly treated since the outset in every way and he has successfully fought off terrorism charges and the death penalty while also fighting at the same time two simultaneous prosecutions in two jurisdictions who are trying to punish him twice for the exact conduct and the death penalty and the death penalty and the death penalty and the new york law does not permit a person to be prosecuted and punished twice for the exact same crime under a statute that covers successive prosecutions it's also known as the double jeopardy law so there it is straight from the lawyer's mouth what lauren was speculating on the phone is two things number one this which is based on exactly what she was saying his attorney said which is that they're going to try to get that case removed because he can't he's already pled guilty in federal court shouldn't be charged for the same crime at state court but number two if he was charged for those crimes at state court this is where it was a bit confusing i'd love to have learned on the podcast at some point when we're covering some of her cases to explain this better than i can but if they did end up having to hash it out at the state level her suggestion as to what their strategy would be is that they would try to get a an equal charge to what he pled guilty to here to plead guilty to at the state level and then they would try to get to what he pled guilty to here to plead guilty to at the state level and then use legal maneuvering to argue that it should be that the sentences should be sure should be served concurrently rather than consecutively which if i could put some math on this let's say he was sentenced to 25 years apiece federally and state concurrently would mean that they're served at the same exact time so he serves 25 years federated consecutively would mean he serves 25 and then the next 25 for what he did the other thing to think of here and this is a commonly discussed thing whenever you watch any guys talk about their prison experience and things like that is he wants to serve time in federal prison not state prison yeah yeah federal prison is way better than state prison so he just pled guilty in federal court so he damn well don't want to do consecutive turns to where the second half of his term would be in a state prison you know go from bad to way worse at that point so there's a lot going on here interesting that this just kind of popped up though again on a friday i don't know i guess is that normal yeah i don't know i don't know it's just weird that a lot of things happen on fridays like who do i gotta fuck for a monday never you know like it's just i don't know that one's weird but i i've said this since the beginning and and i know i know how righteously angry all of us get at the health care system and we're not wrong it's it is a broken system in my opinion this is not the way to solve it i i i think this this sets things backward as simple as anarchy can be it gen generally in world history doesn't have a great ending i know you covered a lot of anarchy in the sacramento vanzetti case when you wrote that fucking play yeah i i went to i went to some of these hearings and was outside the court yeah i went to some of these hearings and was outside the court i forgot about that i was you were you were fucking promoting the play outside the hearings in character we're promoting well hold on i mean joey that's what it looked like to me it looked like you were promoting in an italian accent yeah i forgot all about that yeah i got some good good headlines which by the way a little breaking news here we haven't said this yet joey deef has completed and is and is finishing the editorials on a feature movie script are you allowed to say the name of it yeah it's billy benny and dean is the name of it and i will say and i say this is like a script snob it's fucking brilliant it is so goddamn good i think it might actually be your best work yet and you've had some amazing work thank you sir but also a little breaking news your boy has been casted let's go apparently i'm gonna be getting a fade for that one let's go i'm gonna try that out i got an interesting role in there i'm excited about it yeah so we're too we're looking to film that in october november right october yeah yeah all right so stay tuned on that there has been some behind the scene biz too we've had some great meetings yeah see like there's biz everywhere there's biz everywhere and i will just say this the film has secured funding you guys got the best fucking production set up already like it's unbelievable what pros you and and andy's and and and the team are with this and i think it's going to go really smoothly and i'm looking forward to it getting into the festivals because now it's got the right people behind it to do it yeah it's going to be great the next the next like year and a half is about to be i mean between what we're doing here and then that's going to be happening it's going to be a fun one fuck yeah but i'm working i'm working my way down to the fade here we're yeah it's going to be interesting we're halfway there we're going to get you in tight we're going to get you grills too we're going to put grills that's right that's right more on that but you know what we do have a minute here joey deef to go through my friends at flock i i said i would there's gonna be more next week because we're not going to get through all this but when i talked about garrett garrett's his name right yeah garrett ceo garrett craig or who i'm sure i don't know how it landed on craig or greg that's all right but whatever anyway so garrett i had referenced him not knowing how to read the room he doesn't even understand the irony of the visual examples that he thinks of when he goes to explain and defend what he does so i want to play the video you know what i'm talking about if you already got it can you cut yeah we're gonna look at the meme after perfect can you cut to where he starts talking so it's at like the 15 second mark yeah a little back right there so this is garrett defending i guess like the good of flock and he seems to find as i said no irony in very openly i would say maybe even callously you know what let me let me pull back a little bit here unaware ignorant maybe just he is describing you and i you out there listening me and joey deef in here as five-year-old children let's play it sick people want to jump to let's just punish people not we'll teach them but if we look at our kids as a proxy look as a proxy the level of punishment whether you're in time out for five minutes or an hour doesn't matter to a five-year-old they they do something because i think they're going to get away with it and as soon as they find out that as a parent you've you know have all seeing eyes all seeing doing bad things and the the punishment has nothing to do with it and maybe it's unfair to pause it the punishment has nothing to do with it they just stopped doing bad things so we're going to film all of you and that's all we're trying to do we're trying to stop you from doing bad things and we will never we at flock i'm speaking for flock right now apparently i'm their pr guy for a minute we will never allow people to take advantage of that there will be no cops stock stalking their ex-girlfriends through cameras there will be no license plate reading that you know apparently hooks up to your bluetooth and and shit like that and then tracks you forever more on that in a second they're just you're just we are the children and flock is our father let's let him keep explaining this and dig his hole deeper to call an adult a five-year-old but that's generally how our brain works we operate on a boolean equation of like i get away with this so i do it if i don't think i get away with it i don't do it um and maybe you know one is stealing you know a gummy from a jar of candy another one is shooting someone so quite a big disparity there but it's the same same brain that's making a decision to totally agree with noah and i think i think the data is there the data is there and i think maybe we're known i disagree a little bit is i have a lot less anxiety on the downsides i think of course there's always downsides and everything he's got no anxiety but i think what where noah was going near the end is If you're a concern at a macro level is a oppressive, again, a little PR advice here. When these guys fucking talk about this shit and they use all these terms, I hated this here in this at, at, at the bank when I worked there, when they throw these $5 words on there, you know, and they're like, you know, basically like at a macro level, according to our data, it could suggest that it's just gay. Stop talking like that. Say what it is. You know what? In the spirit of you talking about five-year-olds, say it like a five-year-old can understand it. I like, I'm, I'm sorry to be like a little bit of a fucking old man, get off my lawn right there. But like, I'm just so sick of the people who are in charge, holding the strings on the peasant in society, talking like complete fucking loony tunes. Let's continue it. In state arising, in America, cameras are not the problem. The problem is people believe that's going to happen. And there's like 7,000 other ways that that could occur. I mean, they're not even hiding it anymore. Like just the, the, like the little laugh and they're not the problem. Like the little nerdy laugh and everything. It's just dark, dude. It's like, like that old famous quote. What is it? I always have trouble with this dyslexia, like in my head with this one. It's like strong men create soft time. No, strong, strong men. It's strong men create good times. Good times create soft men. Soft men create hard times, hard times create good men. Blah, blah, blah. That's right. We're in the good times created very soft men who now get to do very hard, awful things to people because they have, they have these positions of power behind a keyboard to do it. And cool, little fun VC. Investments from the Peter Thiel's of the world to have free reign and no consequences for what they do. And then God forbid you go remove one of their precious little fucking cameras. You're the terrorist. His words, not mine. Who's this guy on Tik TOK? I was referring to, is this Lonnie? Lonnie shirt. Now, hold on. I gave you the actual video. I texted it to you because I had to rip the, the song from the background. So it doesn't get ripped, but it's still Lonnie talking. He is full credit here. It's at Lonnie. I sure. I S S C H U R on Tik TOK. But he laid out what's going on with the license plate reading and what flock may have the ability to do here, which I, you know, Joe deep, I think it's kind of notable. Let's let it play. Fog cameras just got an update and you won't fucking believe it. We all thought they were just scanning license plates, maybe tracking humans a tad bit, but who would have thought it could get. That much worse. A developer was just walking around trying to figure out exactly what was going on with their infrastructure. And he found that the signal trace integration is already live. You're saying Lonnie, what the fuck is a signal trace integration? Well, it's a little cheap device. They add on to any existing clock camera that when it's scanning you or your license plate, it also pulls the Bluetooth identifier from your phone matches that to your profile. So they'll never need a camera to track you again. Pretty fucking cool. Right? Now, some of that could be like a little bit oversimplified as to how quickly it gives them full access to everything. But even the idea that you are tying together, like looking at this conservatively, tying together Bluetooth data and tracking via cameras on a license plate to then be able to monitor your movements and see where you are. If you cannot see how that is not a slippery slope to dystopia, I cannot help you. And we've also been living in a country to where since COVID, we've seen like a lot of the conversation about people having the ability to practice their second amendment freely is obviously become even like a left and right thing in many, not in all cases, but in many cases, it's something that people are like, all right, that's kind of important because we saw the government take too much power. But do you see that link right there? A flock at the gun range. I have seen tens of these this week of flock cameras being set up right outside gun ranges to be able to monitor all the license plates of people who are rolling into gun ranges and who's buying guns, who owns them, where they could be going, track their motions. So I don't know, Joe, if maybe I'm playing this out too far, we can get your very, very astute legal mind on this. But if I were looking at this for like the future of a government taking power to potentially be able to take away the second amendment, it would probably start with having good data on all the people who are openly practicing said second amendment and all their movements and where they're going and what they own and what they're shooting at all times. So that maybe I could, I don't know, hack into their life and take it away. Yeah. Sounds about right. Sounds about right. All right. Let's, let's play this video real quick. So this is over a hundred thousand of these cameras, tens of tens of billions of scans a month officers already caught abusing it. We've talked about that. They don't need your consent. They just need you to keep driving past them. And here's what this young lady found. So I decided to go to the gun range today, you know, like an American and tell me why there are black cameras pointing into the entrance of the parking lot. Not, not the streets. Not the street. Into the entrance. So they can read every license plate that comes in here. Yeah, no, I love this. I love this. I'm sure there's no ulterior motive behind this either. We live in a country where after awful terrorist attacks that still to this day have not been fully explained. And so we have a podcast coming on that at some point here, by the way, but after awful attacks in 2001, we were able to then, we, the government was able to not let a good crisis go to waste and pass things like the Patriot Act and allow for secret FISA courts to, to underground, allow things to get passed for mass surveillance on us citizens to where they took an example of people who did something bad and then subjected all of society to losing their constitutional rights moving forward as a result, because they wanted to do it under the guise of, we're just trying to keep you safe. This is the same exact vibes right here. You know, one time, sometimes someone does something bad at a gun range or something like that's horrible. You know, someone, they shoot somebody or, or is someone mentally ill gets on there and does something. Of course, we've seen things in schools where there's mass shootings. These are horrible things. No one's arguing that like, oh, we want that to happen. Of course you don't, but they will use those crises to then set up things like this and then get everything else that they want as a result. And once you give up ground on the slippery slope, you cannot climb back up it. This is exactly what Edward Snowden warned about. And that is a guy whose takes and decision that we've covered many times on this show in many contexts, continue to age better and better over time. Edward Snowden famously, as I've said many times before, had two slippery slopes. One slippery slope was he was going to break his oath where he gave an oath that national security. Secrets and things that he had access to, he would agree not to release because it was a matter of national security. And the reason that I have to say this as a balanced case, the reason that's a slippery slope is because the minute someone like him comes out for moral reasons and breaks that code, hypothetically, the next person could come out for moral reasons. It's something that's slightly less serious and then slightly less serious and so on down the road until anyone's leaking anything they don't like. That said, the other slippery slope was after at this point when he went to leak it over 10 years of the United States government fucking over the constitutional rights of you, me and everybody, he saw and went through things behind the scenes to try to get this fixed. He saw that it was stonewalled and that it was getting worse and that that slippery slope was way farther down the slope. And he said that that one was worse than the one that he chose. And I agree. And we're seeing it play out. So again, Garrett, you know, if the friend who reached out to my friend is to be believed and like that's a thing and he wants to come on, I'm happy to do it. Jokes aside, this format, as I said, is different. I will sit here and have a conversation with you. But if you do it, you better fucking be ready to go. And like I said, Tommy G will be here and he'll be ready to go as well. And if you're not afraid of what you're doing and you're not concerned about its implications on the American people and our rights and freedoms, then someone like you should have nowhere to hide and you should be willing to sit necessarily with me, but with anyone with any kind of sizable platform who has righteous questions about this. And if you're that confident, you should be able to answer them to our satisfaction. So open invite, right? That's what we do around here. Yep. Joey D, if I think we got it, we just had another very long week. 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