Anthony Peake - The End of Time (Pt. 2 of 2: Holographic Diffusion) - PRE-RELEASE

All of our files are free and will remain free. If you like the show, you can show support by donating $1 to help with expenses. Just use the "peabling" on our webpage. Thanks. Welcome back to part 2 of our exploration of time together with Anthony Peakeer. That's great, great. And we left you at the cliffhanger. I suppose you do remember where to pick up the story? I guess so. Super, super. And cos' yeah, you were talking about these excellent reactments of ancient rituals. By the way, I want to clarify my background is in a classic asceticism where things are like semi-secret. So I'm so fascinated by this mystery drama cos we do these things still like temples, but they are in buildings, etc. But not to the way you actually went hardcore old school and reconstructed stuff people are still doing. cos these tools are still working. Wow. That's the thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, because these things were meant to be formation triggers. The initiates were all about overcoming death. That's almost what it's all about. Training to die so that you can retain your memory and you can reconnect a head of the curve and a head of yourself. Yeah. And rituals are so misunderstood and so underused in the Western culture today. But rituals are one of the four tools. It's like akin to meditation. Only meditation is individual and introvert. Well, this is interesting, you know, because do you know the organisation, the servants of the light? Yeah, absolutely. They are like a modern esoteric, but I have very respect for their work. Okay, cos I've been invited twice to speak of their events in the past. They are good guys. They are good guys. They don't have an unbroken, filial, or lineage back in time. But they are a decent reconstruction, much better, I would say, than Golden Dawn or Old Interesting. Because it became a very good friend of Dolores Sashcroff and a wiki. Exactly. She was such a lovely lady. And she turned round and she said, Tony, you're actually doing the science of what we've been teaching for years, which was a great honour. Really was. Yeah, really was. The Godler was a great, a Gareth Knight. They had many great initiates. What I was getting at is that Richels, if meditation is introvert and individual, and studying, and I don't just mean reading books, but all sorts of impressions, you know, there's many way to study, right? Or individual outrovert. Then colloquials are outrovert collective and Richels are collective introvert. Those are the four pillars of our spiritual formation according to the ancients. So it's so much I could talk about about this, but I know I've given you some nuggets that already sparking your totally. Absolutely. I'm going to be checking this out. But back to your story. Go on. Okay, sorry, this is starting now. One of my books came out in Greek. Two of my books are now out in Greek. Greek publishes a pick them up. So I started doing research in Greece and I found a paper from 1901 written by a Harvard archaeologist. I found where Plato's cave was. Wow. It's called the cave of, or it'll come to be in a second, but it's about, it's in just outside Athens. It's probably about 10 or 11 miles along the coast road. Okay, so it's the cave of Vari. Okay. In Vari on the coastline of Attica. And we're trying, we have been trying them because COVID came down and we couldn't really do it. But the plan was to get access to that cave and recreate Plato's cave in Plato's cave. But the difference is I was a few few a couple of my friends who have interviewed me. One of the guys is a top film guy at the BBC and he uses drones to film. He does stuff with David Attenborough, you know, we use drones to film animals. And he has this incredible, these credible set of drones and he's filming using drones in the past. And I said, you know, we could do here something extraordinary. And the plan would be if we could get permission, we'd have a drone on the Acropolis with a camera. This is how the program starts and the drone takes off from the Acropolis and flies out over Perreus and out across one of the inner. Islands and it then flies in and it enters the cave and it goes straight into the cave, straight into me standing there with purple robes looking straight at their face going welcome to Plato's cave. Oh, that would have been it. Did you do that? No, we didn't. We were planning to we're still planning to do it if we can get access. And they don't tell me COVID ruined everything was it did sadly. And unfortunately, you know, Sam would have been there as well. But Persephone now she's now she's recently got married and she's over in South Korea now. So she wouldn't be involved, but there's other people we could involve in it. And we'd have the Austrians come over. I mean, the Austrians brought their light machine to break the desert's fair, the UFO conference last year. I got them. The American version was brought over and it went down like a house on fire. Of course. Because this machine really puts you into all to state's consciousness. It's it's extraordinary. Right. Absolutely extraordinary. Very, very powerful. I describe it in my book, but that that that was the plan. So the whole links here, or you know, you see how everything just links into itself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And speaking of that, you said something about the artists that I need you comment upon because I realized then that and you probably have seen this maybe it was a British documentary about autism and savants. And there was this woman, I think it was a long time since I'm trying to not ruin the whole explanation, but she had this mathematical thing that you talked about this memory woman had. And she so I wonder if it was the brother of Rowan at Kinsmer's home. There was some famous person involved because he's a researcher. But what happened was that she explained how she could solve all these mathematical puzzles amazing like this indian child, but only this isn't telepathy. And this explanation has stayed with me because she said, I'm not actually doing mathematical operations. What I'm doing is I'm moving in a landscape, a visual landscape. Yeah. And I'm picking what I need. I'm just it's like everybody could do it right if they could see this. And when I saw that I was thinking, you know what? I think that she is tapping into the astral field. And you said something similar in your observation earlier today because you use to term a kashik. Yes. Which is I think is the same thing. So what they are actually doing is that they are moving their focus or consciousness to these ethereal frequencies where they can tune into the root cause of what will manifest as a mathematical solution. They are using the synesthesia where they are seeing colors, shapes, whatever, right, light, darkness. And somehow they are figuring it out. But bypassing like we are down here as the cuballium was there. We are here where the pandulum swings. They are escaping the pandulum going up to the root cause. And coming back with the manifestation or with the answer. Comment? Yeah. Well, one of the things that I have a whole section on Savant Syndrome in opening the doors of perception. And I interviewed a number of Savants and indeed chatted with a guy called Darryl Trefford, who is or was he died recently. But he was the guy that worked with Kim Peek, the guy that Rayne Mann was based upon. And we were discussing about mathematical Savants and they were explaining how that they see shapes, numbers of shapes. So literally if you multiply 17 by 24, they'd see 17 and 24 as shapes and they put the shapes together. And the new shape would be another number, which would be the answer. And, you know, again, funny enough, I was interviewed a couple of days ago by somebody else and she is the one that was scheduled after us, I'm supposing. Yes, it was. It was indeed. And Alexis Brooks, an American lady. And she started, while we were doing the interview, she started developing what I described to her as being a migraine aura. She wasn't aware. And then I discovered by asking her questions that she's a cynicism. And she was explaining about how different days have different colors for her. And I said, well, you were of the work of Daniel Tramert, who's an English cynicism. And for instance, his book is called Born on a Blue Day. Because he was born on a Tuesday and Tuesday is blue for him. But I'm all fascinated by him. For instance, I've written a lot about a guy called Solomon Cherinewski. - Mm-hmm. - And Cherinewski was again somebody who had almost fantastic memory. And he used to travel around Russia or Soviet Union, doing shows and memorizing lists. The problem was he could never forget all the things he'd done in the shows. So he went to Alexander Luria, who was one of the world's top psychologists. He was up there with Vygotsky and Pavlov. And Luria, this guy wanted to get all this stuff out of his head. Luria couldn't, but he worked with him. And he wrote an amazing book called "The Mind of a Memnonist, Mind of a Memory Person." Like "Memberson." Again, the term he used earlier about memory. And this guy, it's the things he could do were just extraordinary. But, and this is interesting, if you read his book and his descriptions, he was two people. He wasn't one, he was two. And I argue that with a lot of these individuals, they split into their Daemon and their Adelon. And they are actually a diad. And when they're a diad, it means that the Adelon, the everyday consciousness can acquire the broader conscious level of the Daemon. In which case they can access what we have passively called the Akashic field. And of course, the Akashic field, as far as Irvin Laslow's concerned, is the information field, the bedrock of the universe. The infinite. And this would be called a monod in another language, a terminal, as you can see. In a singular. What you call it, diamon? Yes, it would be. Exactly. Yes, it would have been out of, who was the philosopher at the Hatonats? Well, I mean, it wasn't Kant, but it was someone living at his time. Yeah. I forget now. So do I. But it has developed on its own like the Tiosophys used it. So it's not important. But Darren Brown explained one of his techniques was to, for memorization, because he, he impresses with that, was exactly to visualize, like he makes a room, and he puts it in a shelf. And it's an association game. I think he doesn't know it, but he's using synesthesia, because I recognize the synesthesia thing from LSD trips. When I did LSD trips, always I got synesthesia. Really? I don't know why, but maybe you know why, but somehow that triggers that. Yeah, I would argue that what's happening when you're taking entheogens, you're effectively accessing, again, the conscious of the diamon. Now, just to extrapolate on this, the final chapter of my last book, I went from the hypothesis of the diad, the Damanadalon diad, to a broader model, which it works for me. I can't, I can never prove this scientifically. What I argue is, there is the everyday self, which lives one life, which is called the idolon, which lives and dies. It's your kind of online, it's your in-game avatar. But that just dies. But the Daman is the game player who lives your life many times and lives many lives. But the Daman only ever lives your life. It doesn't live other peoples. However, I argue that then above the Daman is something I call the uber Daman. And the uber Daman is my equivalent of the young and collective unconscious. The world's soul? The world's soul, yes. Yes, the Veltgeist. So the idea is that that, so you can access the Daman, which will give you recognition and will give you access to information fields. But then-- I remember remembering your incarnations, etc. Correct. But then if you can access then the uber Daman, then you can tap into anyone. You can tap into anything. You can tap into, and this is, I believe, what happens when people do hypnotic regression to pass lives. Yeah, because everybody can't be clear part for an upholion. Correct. They can't. So what I argue is what happens is in a hypnotic state, because we know people are very malleable and they want to reach expectations when they're in hypnotic state. You bypass the Daman and you go immediately into the uber Daman. And then literally you'll have an embarrassment of riches. You can attune into anything. So you end up attuning into what you really want to attune into, which is being an ancient Egyptian or a red Indian prince or something. And this is why people bring this information back. So when people say you're cheating the ferryman thing is contradicted by pass lives, it's not. It's supported by. And then I argue then there's another level then, because I've contributed a chapter to a book on pandeism by a guy called Knuchi Mapsun. And he's asked me now to write a new chapter for a new book he's writing on, new anthology. And what I'm arguing is is that at the next level we have what I call the Go-Demon. And the Go-Demon is the equivalence of the Kabbalistic orane soft. It's the equivalent of Brahman. It's the backdrop of everything. It's the consciousness field. That's what the priest request will call the noise. Yes, the noose. Yes. Spot on, I hadn't realized that. Thank you. But it is, isn't it? So this is where I get very excited in that the ideas I'm coming forward here are ancient. These are the things people have known. Yeah, but you have this incredible ability to put it into a way that people today can understand and process. Thank you. That's quite amazing, man. That's one of the reasons I think you're-- I mean, that's your real forte, that among some others, too. Thank you. That's a talent in itself, but go on. Yeah, so what we have then is this information field. And it literally is information. It's information. But it's information in the way that people like David Bome would argue it. David Bome, the American Anglo-American quantum physicist. It's in formation. And information is in formation. And the Kabbalists say that the universe wasn't created. It is in creation. It's in formation as we speak. That's why you're a co-creator. I like that. I like that. So the idea is-- so for instance, David Bome has David Bome worked with Einstein. He was a friend of Einstein's. And Bome argues that reality is holographic in nature. And it's reflective. The whole creates-- it contains the parts and vice versa. Yeah. And Canville Burst's page 2 is-- we're not in a hierarchy. We're in a whole hierarchy. Yeah. Important distinction. Yeah. Sotal but important difference. So yeah. What's the idea, isn't it? That if you smash a hologram apart, holographic image, you just have a denuded-- each chart will have a denuded version of the whole picture. It's not like a jigsaw puzzle or like a normal painting. So in other words, when William Blake, of course, great, nostic thinkers had argued this, to see heaven in a wild flower, to hold the world in the palm of your hand. This is exactly what Nostics have long believed, that it's always the reversal. Now, what Bome argued? And he was arguing there against something called the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. But his argument is that everything is infolded within itself. And there's something called the implicator and the explicate orders. And the implicator order is the underlying reality. And the universe we exist within, our perceptual universe, is an implication of that. And it's explicate. So in which case, we are perceiving something that's deep rooted. But it's an information field. And in one of my books, I quote, there's a fascinating book by Max Tehmock, Professor Max Tehmock, called Our Mathematical Universe. And in this Tehmock does the maths of how everything is data. Everything is information. This is why, as I've said many times, the atom is 99.999999996 empty space. It's exactly. And what is not empty space are electrons and quarks. And electrons are point particles. So they have no extension in space. No, no, no, no, electrons. But electrons are point particles. And so-- With electrons, you also include-- I mean, they can be positively or negatively charged on neutrons. So electrons-- Well, electrons are always a negative, by definition. Yeah, so they all-- but you also have a pulsation. But you have a neutron. And you have a neutron. And the neutron. Yeah, so you have the proton and the neutron. But of course, the proton and the neutron are actually made up of quarks. So whereas an electron is a unique particle in itself, it's not made of anything. OK. Whereas the proton and the neutron are actually made of quarks, like two up quarks and one down quark makes the proton. Yeah, but you know, I realize that's a dogma. But in my book, any subatomic particle is actually not-- I think materialism stops with the atom. Yes. it's like it's frozen waves, right? So totally. So I don't buy into the quark thing. Yes, you can distinguish parts of the wave, but it's all just the ocean. But anyway, totally. I completely agree with you all. I'm okay. All I mention at the moment is that the standard model that we have at the moment. Yeah. Then we have photons, the bosons, the carriers of the the electromagnetic signal. And photons are weird. Photons are the things that we know we were discussing about hitting the retina and everything else. And the photons are the things that bounce off. So when we see red, the photons are carrying the signal of the red from the red coat into our retina, into our acquiescuma, then into the visual cortex. But isn't photo the only particle that isn't dual? Yeah, well, no, this is what is more interesting about photons. Yes, there isn't an anti photon as far as we're aware. But what is more interesting is that photons can only have a travel at the speed of light, only ever travel at the speed of light. Yeah, because they define it, don't they? They do. And they have no mass. So the viewpoint of a photon, everything is happening now. There are no times coming back again to our time thing, because we know at the speed of light time stops. Yeah, but you know what? A shell wreck, arguably speed of light isn't even constant, which makes the time perception even crazier. Yes, yes, it does. Because of course, what's happening is time and space. There's more time and less space. And you need infinite speed to get, not speed, but infinite mass in order to get the speed of light. This, I understand, right? But this brings me to one point I wanted to touch with you. And that's the fact that they say, it's the fourth dimension, right? You have the three dimensions of space. And if space and time, like, I understand, argue, are not just connected, but just aspects of itself, then I would venture that the sequence of space becomes what we call time. And this dovetails, we talk about because they say there's a reality exists of two different spirals or lines, but they are moving in spiral. And when they intersect, yes, actually, one is fire water, which is creating time. One is earth, air, creating space. And we live in the intersection of those two. That's why everything is a four-forward. Oh, I see. And again, to invoke the master from Samos, he said, he said geometry is numbers in space, music, I would argue sound, actually, is numbers in time. Wow. Pythagoras was amazing, wasn't he? He was extraordinary. I have to say. Was the cave on Samos? Yeah, the Pythagoras cave. Interesting. But there's two. There's one they give to the tourists, and then there's a real one. Interesting. But so would you agree that there are four dimensions to manifestation and that time, then, is the fourth one? I would, but only in the sense of, again, how I visualise the universe and the way time works. But I'd argue that there's also the fifth dimension as well. The U.A.P. kind of back door. Yeah, like I use the analogy here. I love making movie analogies and interstellos. It was such a great movie for that. Do you remember in interstellos thing called the Tesseract sequence? Evagely, yeah. Okay, it's where the main character has been communicating with his own daughter in the past by moving books in a bookcase. Right, right, right. And trying to send messages to her in the past. Yeah, the same topic was done in a San Rambuluc movie, some romantic thing where she did something in a mailbox. Yeah, the, all the something house, the lake house. Yeah, yeah. Yes. And it's the idea that if you were outside of space and time, what would you see? The argument is it's a Tesseract. Now, how a Tesseract works is, you have a point in space and you send it off at a right angle and you get a line. If you then send that line right angles again, you get a square. So that's two dimensions. Then if you then expand out from the corners into another space, you get a cube. So then you're into three dimensions. With a Tesseract, you then expand out from all the corners of the cube, but you get what's called a hyper cube or a Tesseract. Now we are closing into platonic solids. Exactly. And the idea is that the central character whose name escapes, he goes by his surname, my current name, his name now, the Matthew McConaughey character. Yeah. He is in that space and he's looking into the life of his daughter from a position from the fifth dimension, looking into the four dimensions, three dimensions of space in one of time. And it's extraordinarily well done because you see her moving in different directions at the same time. Because of course time time is different from that point of view. It's like Philip K. Dick called it orthogonal time. It's a time that's at right angles to this time. And if you move in orthogonal time, it means that you can see the future in the past at the same time, happening at the same time. And it's quite intriguing. It's quite mind blowing. When you start looking at the geometry of this, don't you? That's one of the potential by effects of the circus stage technique I mentioned earlier. Because if you every day, look every day you wake up, you expect a sequence, right? The chronology of time. Yeah. Now if you train yourself every god am night to do the opposite, what you're actually doing is that you're creating or you're triangulating because when you wake up, you have the anticipation of the forward chronology. When you go to bed, you have the inverse happening. Now every day you program your mind like that. Suddenly during the day, because what I didn't say, there's something about this technique, about taking the essential things. Suddenly during the day, you will have a very weird moment. You could say, Deja Vu, but it can be stronger than that, where those two timelines meet. And suddenly your outside time and space is indescribable. It's like illumination or like a DMT thing. It can be expressed in words because words are super limited. Well, this now leads into something called the transactional analysis of quantum mechanics, which was put forward by a guy called John Kramer. And this is intriguing. And I've taken, I've expanded on this for what Kramer is arguing. But Kramer is arguing that there are two types of waves in reality. There are advanced waves and retarded waves. And advanced waves move, I never get this right, but just for arguments sake, it might be the other way around. But advanced waves move time like we do from the, you know, it's sort of moving forward in time. But there are other waves that are moving backwards in time. Because of course in quantum mechanics, it doesn't matter. Time flow does not matter. Time can flow in either direction. And he argues that the waves going backwards in time and the waves going forwards in time, at the point they interact is the present moment. And it moves as we move. But there must be an abundance of forward moving them. Yes, from our point of view, we're in a forward moving world. Because those waves are stronger or there's more of them. Yes. But there can be conditions where the opposite happens if you can, for example, time travel, you're manipulating those waves, aren't you? Yes. Right. And of course the thing is that I've extrapolated from this. I've said, well, they're mentioned what happens when two waves meet and get an interference pattern. Yeah. That's the world I was looking for. I said triangulation interference, but attention field. Yeah. And so that means the interference pattern. And of course, what is when you use interference patterns, what do you get? You get a hologram. Right. So I do argue, of course, that this reality we perceive is how the holographic nature and it's an interaction of transfers, transfers waves, advanced and retarded waves coming together to create a holographic reality. Of course. Okay. Now, obvious, no, you said you say it. And again, I think I'm the only person on the bloody planet who's made that link. And the only person as far as I'm aware, well, you are 90,000 more people now. Hopefully. Hopefully. I mean, how it works, I'm not, I, you know, it's difficult to expand on how it works, but it seems to make sense. Yeah. And absolutely. It means that we, and this again, then links back to the Copenhagen interpretation of the collapse of the wave function. That subatomic particles until they are observed or measured, don't exist. They exist as a statistical wave function. So imagine that the waves we're talking about retardant and advanced waves are actually quantum wave functions. And the quantum wave functions when they meet are collapsed by the act of observation of a sentient being. But of course, the sentient being doesn't have to be a human consciousness. The sentient being could be the uberdainment or could be good. the go-demon because there's always the argument of who hears a tree if it falls in a forest and there's nobody to hear it and there's a very famous poem by a guy called Roland Knox who was a Catholic theologian and it's really good it's written like a little memo a little question and I can't remember it fully but it goes along the lines of I don't know who is it if a tree falls in the quad I don't know dear God if a tree falls in the quad and nobody's there to hear it how how do we know it's there are we hear the sound yeah yeah and the response is dear somebody the tree it will continue to be because it's watched all the time by yours sincerely God yeah because someone has to watch it right so the consciousness that's collapsing the ultimate wave function is the God so there's then embedded realities so there's the the the the go-demon universe which is collapsed by that consciousness then we have the uberdaymon's universe which is collapsed by the uberdaymon which is the collective unconscious of everybody then we have the unique the demonic universe did you say demonic yeah as in demonic as in the as in the day not that's in diamond but there's an evil spirit no as in diamond so there's demonic reality then there is the idyllonic reality which is the individuated consciousness generated collapse of the wave function of each of us and each of us are existing within this collapse wave function but at the moment you and I are creating an egg what I call an agricultural reality in the sense we are now interfacing our consciousnesses are in resignation so our universe is solid and it should and that's what happens when you get in groups you collapse the wave function collectively yeah in anticipation and this is why things like the philope experiment happened you know whereby we can collectively create entities by our expectations of them but we're crawling them in from the demonic realm what wait a minute did you say the philope experiment no no the the actual philip experiment oh I'm not familiar with that okay this is this is fascinating it took place it's also known as the Toronto experiment and it took place I think in 1970 69 70 maybe maybe later I'm not sure but there were a group of academics and the wives and partners of a group of academics University of Toronto and they were playing around with Weagerboards and one of them said as the psychologist they said obviously one of us is pushing this but we don't know how we're doing it unconsciously to get the answer oh is it the one where they created an egg rigor correct are you told us last time sorry yeah yeah so what they did was they went out and they created a fictional character called philope ale slutter and they he then started manifesting so they tapped into which level then I'd say they they they they tapped into the demonic okay because you know in in classical esoteric and you see remnants in religion too there there should be seven levels between us and ultimate course the parabrama now of course like like a teacher of my said once it doesn't matter how many bits you divide the cake into it's still the same cake so if you operate with four that's fine but seven remember the holographic principle vibrations are based upon seven even quantum computing and that's because it's a reflection of that very fact so I would encourage you to try to locate the three missing levels because as I counted now you you operate with four that's interesting yeah have you heard about David serrida the name rings the bell is I was thinking of serrida we did a I think of the artist so no go and tell me more yeah that's right that's his name sick David serrida was a bit short yeah he did a really weird thing called piss christ yeah yeah yeah I remember which was a crucifix inside his own urine wasn't it yeah with this serrida is even rader you should actually have him on your show you have a podcast he was the first guy who alert made me realize you a piece are real I was watching his documentary called evidence the case for NASA UFOs presented by the blues brother guy what's his name job bullish no the other one the one still alive Dan aqua yeah Dan aqua does call a beret of it in many times and other famous people to anyway he cracked the code for how you a piece function I venture wow really yes and and he operates with he has his own terminology but he talks about chronons he talks about real time which is kind of what we've been talking about to in some segments today and then he talks about like perceived time which is what people think of as time and of course I realized when you talked about that was a clue to me like a bacteria for a bacteria we would be absolutely stones we would be mountains wouldn't we we would stand super still and then there's the space between and in my own rendition of his theory is how I would explain it that he shows how you can because he uses the holographic principle he he's created something called the cosmic clock you should interview him about this this is what the UAPs use and he has evidence for it in terms of filming this a NASA UFOs which are huge their football stadium sizes in the opera atmosphere between here and the moon and they were have been by norse TV before they had a sense to put in filters they were transmitting them from the UV scale and they are absolutely huge they look like Pac-Man's and he describes explains everything why they look like that what the principle is this is just my assertion you have to see yourself to understand I know you would take a lot out of what he presents because it dovetails I think I've seen I'm visualizing his book the book cover yeah so I have seen it's a Pac-Man thing so he has this cosmic look and he shows you how you can travel between these still frames because they are couldn't everything is connected is holographic right so when you enter the right time let's say seven o'clock on the cosmic clock you will come out and the same for space he says this these tension fields in time and space that works as bridges like like hyperspace kind of entrance right so as I'm understanding it then so we're arguing that time itself is quantized so therefore there are unique bits yeah and between the bits is no time that's time so if you can get between the quantized bits yeah you could effectively like a wormhole and you need that map called a cosmic look but you need his take not my very poor rendition of it okay you should totally invite him to to your that I can send you some links for his stuff so you can vet him before you invite please where is he based you know canada right okay he used to had the the test lines to choose he worked for one of the very famous American nuclear physicists he argued in congress about why we should use not cold fusion but some kind of clean energy blah blah blah he has tons of merits and he was big in a euphil but of course now that is become uap's all the old gurus out of the door and there's new people coming on the scene spin doctors for the most I would say yeah because of agendas but that's another matter if that's that's what I noticed you know as somebody turned around to me and said at contact in the desert you said you know that be careful who you speak to yeah because some people here are here for other reasons other than this exactly which I thought are they paranoid or is the more to it I mean it's it's such a used story that the powers that be have to try to control it right oh the narrative because they genius out of the bottle there's no putting it back well well I was told I was told there was one guy that I met there who was an ex-American diplomat and there was another guy that was in the group who was the express secretary of president Clinton you know so there were quite high-powered people there yeah and the the diplomat was telling me and he said he said it's just a question of when they release the news because what they don't want is a repeat of what happened with the awesome Wells Mars attacks thing and they feel that that's what would happen because people would go into panic if it was just announced so what they're doing is they're drip feeding it you know slowly but slowly declosure is coming and my god the world certainly needed at the moment with the way the world is going the last few weeks you know we definitely need something to stop us destroying ourselves you know but the fact remains that these UAPs aren't just space travelers then they're all sort of time travelers yes and if space and time with just aspects of the same thing that would be expected yeah yeah you know not at all surprising and that would go on and I was going to say that would show why they can do the incredible maneuvers they do yeah because they're they're in court they're not they're not traveling in space in the way we travel in space they're also traveling in time which means they can warp time exactly it's a reader explained it as they are they actually placed in that other sphere and they just now I show myself here now I show myself there yeah in and out yes but there's one bleak conclusion to and going full circle now like time actually is or though I would argue your time is more like a spiral than a circle. But doing that then, we started to talk about how time increases, right? And it's so bleak if we're losing six hours every day because I can now understand if that is true. How there could be geniuses like Adavinshi, like Abaykin, like Apatagoras because they had two advantages we don't have. Number one, they had more of time, even though it's still 24 hours, there was more in those 24 hours. So that's a given. But they also had no distractions. We are bombard. Yeah. Right? So you just imagine having all the time in the world and having no distraction, obviously you become a genius. And also the third element I haven't mentioned, but which I believe is real, is that in certain periods of time on earth people lived much, much longer like all the ancient myths I've read. So let's say you had 300 years to your disposal, biblical ages, and you had no distractions and you had more out of every day. So you had more than 300 years. Obviously you became a genius. And the negative thing here is this is bound to mean that in contrast to what we've been trying to believe that everything is like an evolution and becoming more and more brilliant. We're actually becoming Dumber and Dumber. Yeah. Things are dumping down. Yeah. Comment? Oh, totally. I mean, the evidence of this is everywhere. You just need to go online to see how or how to do. The world is getting Dumber and Dumber. And it's worrying. But yes, that's inevitable. You know, it's always the idea, isn't it, every society, because there's a background on a historian and a sociologist, you know, by degrees and things. And it always intrigues me. You know, there's assumption made that because we are now, we're at the pinnacle of our science and we're at the pinnacle of everything. And of course, we've got no idea about that. You know, there are whole periods of human history where all kinds of things could have taken place and we've no idea. Yeah. If you started from scratch today, I don't think we will go far beyond their stone age. No. And the thing is as well, you know, I always wonder this that there might be information available from earlier civilizations that we literally don't know about. And I think, you know, for instance, you gave a CD role to a Victorian scientist. All the information that's on there, but he'd have no way of getting it off that. He wouldn't even conceptualize how it could be. Some argue that's what the pyramids are. Yeah. And who's to say? You know, I'm your Becletepe. It's codified in stone because stone will last through all the UGOS even. And I believe like if we live in the Kali, you're going to the last era, then we can take some consultants in the fact that all ancient mayors, Greeks, Indians, everybody agreed that yes, it's decay, it's entropy, but somehow it resets. And it becomes a new golden age. That have to mean that somehow the universe gets a new boost of these chronons or whatever it's called. If it's that's physical. Because that's a very interesting point, isn't it? You know, that the one thing that seems to run counter to entropy is evolution. It doesn't make sense to me that everything the whole universe is going in one direction, which is from organization to chaos, the heat death of the universe. And yet, evolutionary wise, we're supposedly getting more efficient through natural selection and everything else as well, which is almost a contradiction as if we're somehow an imposition. We're going in the wrong direction for where the universe is going. Because we are consciousness creatures, we have another imperative than matter. Yes, we, and to get back to the light. Yes, I think that's it. We do, you know, you feel, you know, I've used the analogy many times in my books when I say life itself, all that you really know, if you're a materialist reductionist, is that something perceives something for an infinitesimal small amount of time and disappeared. And that's not just you, but it's humanity, but something became a society or a species became sentient to just disappear. Because as somebody said, and I saw this recently, and it really astonished me, that the universe in terms of its organization and the stars and everything else we've got, for a trillion times of time, it will be dead. It'll wind down, an entropy and everything will stop, and it'll be a dead universe, but that dead universe will continue for trillions and trillions of years with nothing in it whatsoever. You know, so even our human achievements mean nothing. But in the overall lifespan of the universe, even an active life universe with stars and things will also disappear. It's only a second. And then there's nothing. Yeah, but I see your assertion about that, and I raise you with the following fact because the ancients said, and we can use the Indian metaphor, they talked about Brahmas days and nights, and the article I read to you said that eventually, everything will have expanded so much that it's dissolving and time collapses. That's the end of time. But there has to be a reset because according to the Brahmas days and nights concept, and this is, of course, lore from the much more brilliant ancestors we had in the Golden Age. So they probably knew what they were ranting about. At some point, the universe starts contracting. Is that the word gathering together and time then must go in inverse or something and then a new big bang if we should use that metaphor. And again, we are filled with these cronons. I take some consolence in that because it means it's not over. Yes, and it means effectively, I mean, going back to the writings of Philip K. Dick, you know, he had a book called Counter Clock World where time was running backwards. But if time was running backwards, you know, it would just be the way of things. We'd just be used to it in some way, which means we have a cyclical universe, which means we, you know, it's going back. I mean, it worked for Benjamin Button. It did indeed. It did indeed for Benjamin Button spot on. And you know, there's an awful lot of truths in movies, you know, that the movies are a representation of the Veltgeist and how things work or don't work, you know, because it makes no sense for sentience to just be and then not be. But that's, I would say manifest and then not manifest. Yes, that's an even better term. Yes, manifest just gives a better idea. And these are huge questions, but people like you and I and the people that I get myself involved in. These are the questions we ask all the time. Yeah. You know, but the vast majority of human beings never even consider them. They doesn't even register with them. Yeah, but I wonder how much is due to the fact that, look, if everybody, if we lived in abundance and everybody had a perfect education, like Steiner's schools and no hunger and you didn't have to run around like a headless chicken just to make it, I think because today we have organ and society in a way that utilizes the least of our potential. Yes. Despite the level we're at, if we lived in a society that utilizes the most of our potential, I don't think that would be true. I think there will always be about 10% idiots because it seems to me that in any given field we discuss, any given field, there's always 10%. But they're not always the same. Like Plato said, everybody is a genius, just on different matters. Everybody's an idiot, just on different matters, right? Totally completely and utterly agree with you on that. You know, there are things that I am completely an utterly hopeless act. And I don't know anybody that's good at everything because I don't because they don't exist. Well, what about this woman? I mean, wouldn't she be a genius? This woman you mentioned one of eight. She must be a genius. Who's that? The one who remembers absolutely everything. Oh, totally. Yes. I don't know how creative she is because that goes into intelligence too. But in terms of that other part of intelligence, these eight people need to be utter geniuses. Yes. Whereas, I mean, she knows things. But knowledge is not necessarily wisdom. No, that's true. And knowledge is been, wisdom has been able to put the knowledge together to use it in an effective way. You know, I find that because of the way my brain works, which is quite strange in itself, but I can pull together information from stuff I read 20 years ago. You have an overabundance of, I think, analogical connections. You connect different data bits just like that. And I believe I know why because I didn't have the die off of neurons, even though I said neurons are useless. But I was born prematurely. I was seizured. So there's a massive die off of neurons or brain cells just before the birth of the child. Right. And this happens about three or four weeks before. before the child is born, but because I was torn out of my mother's womb five weeks before. - Brute entrance. - Yeah, I didn't necessarily have that die off. - It's the first advantage I've heard about that kind of entrance to the world. - That's great. - Well, it also makes it quite strange because I've debated this as to why I'm so curious, because what happened was because my mother was dying of toxemia. I was put in an incubator and I had no human contact for the first six or eight weeks of my life. I was touched by another human being. So whereas most babies are born or are originally put into their mother's arms and they have the warmth of their mother's body, I was in a blood incubator with a broken arm because the surgeon broke my arm when I was pulled me out and broke my arm. - Traumatic entrance in so many ways. - And I was what, three pounds, nine, three pounds, ten, something like that. - Yeah, you know Buddha said that it's basically the principle, what doesn't break, you make sure it's strong enough to paraphrase him. That suffering is gasoline for the soul. Now most people would think, "Oh, PTSD and you're ruined your life." But if you can overcome that resistance you had so early, it should be like a super booster because we know that the seven first seconds of your life is when you learn the most, then the seven first minutes, then the first seven first days, and so on and so on. And so those seven seconds must have been like a trampoline. - Is that what you call it in English? - Yes, you jump on it. - Yeah. - That must have been that for you. - Yes, I, of course everything subconsciously, but nevertheless. - I mean, I guess so. I mean, people who actually know me as friends, people who've known me for years know that I'm somewhat unusual. In that I believe I'm probably, I'm probably autistic to a degree. - On the spectrum. - Yeah, yeah. - On the spectrum, but effectively I'm also very good with people because I work for years as an employee relations manager, human resources, and subsequently as a consultant. So I get on very well with people, which is curious, and people, they end up fascination to me. - Now, if you can retain the social skills, then I would say autism can be an advantage to. - Yes. -. not normies. - Let's wrap up. - Okay. - I have some things. First of all, I think it was Liebnisch. - Ah. - The monodgoi. - Yes, it was Liebnisch. Well done. Well done. - Now, you said music. - I don't know if you touched that because we did touch the other pre-points that you asked me to remind you of. - Yeah. - But music, I don't think we. - It depends whether I discussed this last time, because it's one of my favourite interview stories about the proof of cheating the ferryman for me. - You have to go on. It's not ringing up, though. - Okay, okay. I'm a great music fan, so I have thousands and thousands of albums and CDs and everything else. - And I suppose you have a bunch of long plays, or is it CDs? - Oh, yeah. No, I've got everything. I've got my old LPs. I've got probably four or five hundred, six hundred. - Right. - But on my new. I've just actually purchased a new Super Dupa E-player. And I've got now around about 25,000 WAVs and MP3s. And I'm converting my MP3s into WAVs from the CDs. So my music goes right back to the mid-60s to the present time. - Yeah, you know you. There's no time to hear all that stuff. You know that, right? - I know. I calculated how much time it would be just to play the one by one. And again, if we didn't discuss it, again, there's a song and a link to a song, which proves my cheating the ferryman hypothesis, which if we didn't discuss last time is also extraordinary. - Okay. I think we. You mentioned I'd book frequently, but. - Okay. It was to do with a song called "Round of Blues" by Sean Colvin. - Still not ringing, I'm about. - Okay, well, I'll start telling the story and you can stop me if you feel that I talked about it last time. - Okay. - My hypothesis, as you know, is that we are living our lives again. And as our Damon remembers that we've lived this life before, and it's like a computer set. compute third person computer game of your life. Now, the proof for me was this series of events that took place over a period of years in the late '90s and early '90s. Oh, sorry, earlier, actually, sort of late '80s. So, what happened was, in a round Christmas, running up to Christmas, I think, 1991, something like that, 1991, I'm out shopping. And as I mentioned to you, I love my music. - I don't know. - I've got a massive collection of music. And I was in a music shop, and I was after. I was about to buy an album by an American singer-songwriter called Mary Chape in Carpeton. - Mm-hmm. - And I called, "Come on, come on." And I went into the shop, and the record assistant said, "Oh, if you want to pay another '99 pen" or whatever, there's a CD here, which has got tracks from the albums that this record label is going to be bringing out in the next few months. Would you like it?" And I said, "Yeah, of course. So I bought it." And I got home that evening, as with my ex-wife at the time, Jenny. And we were back home, we were living in a place called Colchester in the UK. Went home, and it was a Saturday evening, and Jenny liked cooking on her own. And I thought, "Well, I'll leave it in the kitchen so she can cook." And I decided to go into the living room and put the CD on the sampler CD. And I bought the sampler CD on, and I get to the third or fourth track. And it was like I'd been hit by a train. I knew the song. I knew the song so well. And I found myself calling Jenny into the living room, and I said, "Geni, can we go into our solicitors next Saturday? I want to change my will." And she said, "What do you want to change?" And I said, "I want to put in my will the song I want played at my funeral." And it's this one. And she said, "What?" You know, "You're mad. Why?" And I said, "I don't know. It's my death song. It's the song that I associate with my funeral." "Can we do it?" So she said, "Yeah, of course we can." So I went in, and I had it put in my will, I would do this. Now, Rollfall would sadly, Jenny and I, through my fault, nobody else is through my fault, split up, and I end up with my present wife. My wife, not my present wife. I hate using that. So it implies that, you know, she's on her way out. She's not. So there's always an eternal present. Yeah. And of course, being me, I just go for girls with the same name that look her like. So I left Jenny to end up with Penny. And as I say, the even look her like, which is quite weird. So anyway, end up with Penny. And the first thing I said when we got together was, just to be a word, that this is my death song, and I played it to her. And Penny is even more dismissive than Jenny of my weird ideas, came with this craze look and said, "What the hell?" And I said, "It's my record, you know, because Penny is a lot younger than me, so I said it's highly likely I will die before you are." So just be aware of this. So we get it put in the will. But I didn't know why I wanted to do that. Now, the song is called "Round of Blues" by an American singer songwriter called Sean Colvin. It's very upbeat, it's really fun. You can check it on YouTube. It's on YouTube, the videos on YouTube. It's a great song for your funeral. Okay. Interesting. Okay. So it's really good. And also because it's got this very jaunty beat, I was thinking, if I had Paul Berers, how would they walk to this music without the coughing falling off their shoulders? I don't just have this vision. Yeah, but imagine if I insisted on using the song, you can call me Al and the dance. Call me Al. That's a song. Exactly. You know, I usually say that to people, but they don't get the reference. Paul Simon. That incredible video with Chevy Chase. Yes. You can call me Al for my funeral. Yeah, absolutely. Very careful what you're predicting your funeral song. So anyway, I think nothing of it. Then I acquire something called an R-Cost MP3 player. And this had a driver of around about, I don't know, 80 gigabyte something like that. So I copied all my CD music onto MP3s and I had around about 16,000 tracks on this. Now at that time, I was an earring a human resources manager for Nuffield hospitals, which are a group of private hospitals in the north of England. And my job was literally to troubleshoot. So if there was a problem or an issue, I'd go in, I'd get parachuted into a hospital and sort out the problem. You know, I was there for if people needed to be dismissed or people who need to be recruited or people who needed to be developed or helped or whatever. That was my role. So I was driving round to the north of England all the time doing great amount of mileage in this lovely master RX8, Wankle rotary engine sports car, real beautiful car. All the time I was traveling, I would have the R-Cost MP3 player playing through the speakers on random play. So there was only ever a chance of 16,000 to one that any one track would come on. Right. Round of Blues had never ever come up. - Mm-hmm. - Okay. So it's late November, early December evening. I'm driving along the M62, which is the highest motorway in England. And it goes over the mountain, rich of the pen I mountains, and it comes in from Yorkshire over to Lancashire. And I'm driving towards our Chester Hospital to position for an issue I have to deal with the next day. I'm driving along, I'm in the middle lane, and suddenly Round of Blues comes on. - Mm-hmm. - And I go, "What?" And I found my left arm grabbing the steering wheel and turning into the inner lane. - I knew it. - Yeah. As it did so, there was a lorry in front that had a load of crash barriers on it. The crash barriers came bouncing off and hit the road and were bouncing all over the road. I screeched to a halt. It would have hit me. They would have killed me. It would have hit my car. It had gone through my windscreen. I'd have gone off the road, I'd have been killed. I'm sitting there, and I watch the guys get out of the van and they're putting those crash things back on the thing so that nobody sees them and they drive off. And I'm sitting there shaking. And then I listen to the lyrics of the song. I never really listen to the lyrics. On a lost highway, trying for a looking for a better view. I see the lights of fat city. I'm looking down at Manchester. I'm going round again. It's another round of blues. And my head is exploding and I'm going, "Jesus, that's my death song." It was the last thing I heard when I died last time. That's why I associated it. I remembered the song because I died that time. That's why I associated it with my death. Not because I wanted it as my funeral song. It's because it's the last thing I heard before I died. Yeah. Yeah, you can be forgiven to make that connection, of course. And I'm sitting there going, this is just extraordinary. And the interesting thing is I posted that a couple of times on various sites. And Sean Colvin, I think, is now aware of it because she's liked a couple of my postings recently. But do you ever remember the American singer on Sunrise and Suzan Vega? Suzan Vega picked up on it and she shared it on Twitter and said this is fascinating. And Sean Colvin and Suzan Vega are friends of each other. So that's an extreme synchronicity. Totally. Or maybe it's more than that, actually. It's also a memory. Well, yes, no, because you had no control over which song came on. No. And at that time, I'd started researching the book. But I was right at the early stages of it. We're talking about 2003, maybe. Yeah. 2004, 2003, 2004. So that is the story of how, for me, I believe that my Damon remembered. It was my-- and of course, it was my left hand. Because I argued that the Damon is located in the non-dominant hemisphere of the brain. All right. Opposite for me, then, I'm left-handed. All right. So it will be opposite. So it will be interesting to see where your demonic consciousness is. Well, I can share my strongest synchronic. OK. Or one of those. Yeah, since we're on to a story, like, I'll show you my war wounds around the fire. So now, this is so extreme. I was a young guy. I was, I think I was in '18. I started my esoteric-- I started very early with this. I was very early when I-- so I had applied for membership in what's called the Rosicrucian Order. Yeah. And some years earlier, I'd been like a squatter, like a counterculture rebel. And so there were some court cases that were lingering on from when the police were throwing people out of the-- we were occupying a house to make youth center blah, blah, blah. This was what people did before the computer age. You're-- you started with the hippies, right? So these are the two elements you need to know, leading up to the story. So this day, I'm walking to my mailbox. I have two letters in the mail for you youngsters out there. That's how we used to get information and all this. It's where the mail-- where the way the email came from. So I took the letters in. And the first one was from the police or the courts. It was like the court referencing the court case. And it was like the court-- the number of the court case. It's one letter and four numbers, right? Then I opened the other letter. And it's my membership card in the Rose Crucion Order. And the membership number is the same-- Oh, really? Yeah. No, I get these two at the same moment. And of course, I become super paranoid because I've argued in my show that there's two types of consciousness. I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. Not consciousness, but two types of thought patterns. One is the conspiratorial. Where every time you see connections, you immediately think that someone doing it. And very often it is, right? Because that's how you can often uncover criminalities, corruption, et cetera. There are conspirators going on. As soon as two people or more come together to concoct something, it's per definition. So I thought-- Okay, there's-- It's actually to conspire. Yeah, there's-- You know, you know what the word means in English to conspire? Yeah, to breathe together, right? Breathe together. Yeah. So I was thinking there's someone working for the court system or the police in the order. They are breathing together, right? So they are now giving me a hint, like, see? We know about your past. Yeah. The other way of thinking is to immediately think that all sorts of patterns and connections are supernatural or the invisible hand. And this is what was happening this time. But then I thought it was, oh my god, I got paranoid, right? They know about it or no, they're onto me. But I think it's a poetic thing because they represent two different faces of my life back then. One was the past, which was being a rebel. The other was my then future, which was entering the spiritual world. So that's how I interpret that these two numbers were identical. And it's a synchronicity because they came at the same time. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The time was the connector, the binder of those two spatial phenomena. Wow. Yeah, I think it's pretty strong. I like that. Yeah. Now, this would have been a wonderful ending to the show. But I remember one more thing. We have to, I have to pick your brain on and then we can call it the day, okay? You have five more minutes. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So for the life of me, I can't remember the term right now. But in Tiosophie, they have a term for this. And this thing I'm going to describe to you is also a universal concept in esoteric. It's got a renaissance now that the theory of the, what's it called, the theory that we are in our movie in again, simulation theory. Yeah, the simulation theory has brought a renaissance to this. So again, I don't remember the term, but I've said it in many other shows. So my listeners will probably have connected the dots. There is this concept in esoteric. But when you, like, it's a Schrodinger's cat thing. I think it doesn't exist. It just potentially exists until you encounter it. That means that did you come into the school or not? It's not a given like people think when you open the letter. It's actually, it's, it's, it's, it's Schrodinger's cat, right? It's both. And as soon as you open the letter and as soon as you read it, that's when it's defined. This in concept exists in esoteric art. So it means that you need a player, a person to be there. It's the same in quantum, right? You have to observe it for it to be defined. Now in game theory, it explains how it can be because you have a game. And when you are out of the room, I think they actually discussed this the last time. When you, when you're not in a room, the game exists as potentials, ones and zeros. As soon as you're avatar, enter the room, it is manifested. Now how would time work into this concept? Hmm. Yeah, yeah, because if we're working on linear time here, aren't we? So that the, the, the, the, the arguments that, you know, Schrodinger's cat or the, the, the, the, the part wave becomes a particle at a point in time. Yeah. A meach at the after it's observed. But that happens in linear time. Whereas if you had the kind of time you were advocating earlier on, whereby there are cronons of time, there are periods where there is no before and after because there is no time. And what, what about the theory that there's multiple universes and when you decide, yeah, everything in other words, this is again, as it's become more sophisticated now in that the original was 1957, whoever at the third PhD thesis, which was his alternative to the Copenhagen interpretation, which argues that consciousness collapses away function to bring about a particular live or dead cat. And he argued that in fact the cat is alive and dead at the same time. And what happens is one scientist sees a dead cat and one scientist sees a dead cat alive cat. And in fact, the universe is split to accommodate the outcome of both. scenarios and interestingly enough, Stephen Hawking, in the very last paper he wrote with a guy called Thomas Hurtog called the top-down hypothesis and he argued that since the first moments of the universe the outcome of every decision that can possibly be made is already encoded into the universe but only comes into existence as that wave function is collapsed so that are not many worlds but there are many anticipatory or potential worlds but suffice to say whichever way you look at it effectively it means that every outcome of every decision is actually potentially a zero and one potentially zero or one yeah it comes down again to binary notation it's all over off it's zero or one so do we with our expectation decide how it might or at least influence yes why did the school say you got the spot when I opened a letter as in contrast you didn't make the cut yes that's the cruiser question I think the strength I think the strength of probably people who are very effective magicians is that they found a way to do that now you know that they know how to split the not not cheat the ferryman but cheat Kronos cheat treat Kronos yeah and always collapse the wave function yeah of the roots you want to go right but if but let's think about this though for a second then if the the Krona the Kronon model works that's how you do it you slip between the Kronons in order to bite the time well of course it's the wrong term you're not using the time you're not using the time it's non-time well you make the decision is made in all fun of all fun going all time and then you know which one which path to follow it reminds me you know of the okay ball guess is short story the garden of the forking paths which is exactly the same principle you know is knowing which path to tread and if you know which path to tread you can get through the maze you know for what yeah it said it said that when you have flow you are moving in the right path when it's neutral you are like in between and when you are obstacles you're on the wrong path yeah that could be a way to read whether you are doing the right decisions or not I think it's a very good very good way of putting it yeah I agree you know we sometimes we have that feeling don't you know you're you're in the flow and everything works I mean for instance one of the I did I was invited to give a talk in Switzerland many years ago and the guy that picked me up was a research scientist at Sir and he was telling me about how the universe works for him and he said he had a period where everything was right for him you know everything flowed everything was really brilliant and he said and as I suddenly thought how brilliant everything is he said I suddenly realized something he hadn't seen a red stoplight for months and he said the very next light was a stoplight yeah and everything changed yeah and suddenly things started going wrong and that stuck in my mind that right because he was in the flow but not a worry was in the flow because that's the whole point of flow is it's got to be instinctive yeah and I thought wow that is so accurate because you just know don't you when things are going well you just you're in the zone yeah and it's when I started this podcast back in 15 I still have flows but I've never in my life been in such a flow on so many areas of life that's why I never given up the podcast I've been close to many times but I know it was the right decision because of all the doors that just opened at the same time and this was one of them I went from zero to like 30,000 listeners in a matter of months wow but back to what we were discussing now so yeah he had literally doors open now this is the feminine way of thinking that if it's meant to be I'm following it like I'm passive and I'm just following the wind but there is a case to be made for the masculine way of thinking and that's that it's not always obstacles means you're doing something wrong sometimes obstacles are there for you to evolut because all growth is about extension it is to stretch yourself beyond your natural boundaries beyond your comfort zone and to conquer to seize it like a warrior so these obstacles exist for me to actually deal with and when I have refined whatever in me that made this an obstacle then I overcome it this is also important to assure because too many people then become like robots they don't like I think the masculine thing and a feminine thing has to be balanced sometimes it is about reading the writing on the wall reading the signs sometimes it is about actually getting a grip and lifting yourself up from the bootstraps you understand what I mean I do I mean very wise you know they hold the old statements if it anything that once it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger yeah like what happened with you and I think that is very very true I mean we all have obstacles to deal with in life you know because life would be really boring if if everything just worked all the time you know so I'm completely with you on that there's a astonishing wisdom you have shared here with this conversation I think yeah right that got you bro you know I'd like to think that obviously I was obviously but I'd like to think the people that have been listening in here have gone gone with the flow and found what we've been talking about to be fascinating and interesting because I certainly have yeah last time they said I had to listen to the show many times so that that could get all because we both talk rather fast and we both presupposes that you know certain stuff right yes yes we do and that's a clue to communication otherwise we would all be doing the ABC all the time yes so we have to like expect a certain level and that the listeners may be intelligent enough to follow everything but they may not be familiar enough so they have to go back and check their stuff right yeah exactly intelligence doesn't come into it's whether you've been exposed to a particular piece of information you know it's like when people are in quizzes and they say how did you know that well I know that because I'd read it somewhere you didn't have read it somewhere it doesn't mean you're stupid because you don't know it you don't know it because you've not experienced it you know it's completely different that's not intelligence no and then there's the theory in esoteric I think Steiner is one of them who asserts that when we reincarnate what like a most of you're not just born with that information somehow there is two explanations there one is the one you are certain today that they're tapping into a field but it's still into its fingers it's still into its manifestation the truly like he had the training the other is that in former lives and you made a case for that too right in terms of your synchronicity you reach a certain level of insight and if it's really integrated into you it becomes a part of you being a part of your essence and then when you reincarnate of course when you reincarnate you have to train yourself but it goes so much faster because you already know it you just have to remember it and then when you get to zero then start your real learning you understand yes I do that's very good I like that and that's I mean time here also is a factor because well I don't know reincarnation doesn't necessarily you know the theories about reincarnating backwards in time and reincarnating back and forth yeah there's no rules saying I never thought about that before I don't we sort of reincarnation as being linear but why should it be exactly why should it why should it be you can extrapolate from this to and that's in that's a temporal messing up of time but what about a spatial what if you can reincarnate on different planets yeah it certainly explains to some human beings out there it does doesn't it does doesn't it exactly did you have fun today I enjoyed I enjoyed it brilliantly it was super about the time is just flown by it's just like two guys sitting in a bar with a couple of beers and just think throwing ideas out brilliance absolutely brilliant thoroughly enjoyed and that's the definition of how I do my podcasts two friends yeah having a coffee and the listener is the proverbial fly on the wall so that means I can have you back then oh totally oh absolutely yeah I'll check out some I want those for our next chat I want me to actually have read the book we discussing okay I think that can bring bring even more juice to the conversation yeah winging it yeah there's something to be said for winging it because I'm in the same boots as my listeners right but to bring it even more forward I think I should be familiar with what you already put out there because I love the stuff you're talking about and I love the stuff little stuff I read you read in the classics that's very important well as we said you know if you read that you know there's a whole section on David Finkelstein and his cronons so it's it I'm delighted that our concept is now being reused yeah it's brilliant okay let's plug your stuff okay the book we've used discussing again. What's the name? Okay, it's called the Labyrinth of Time, the mystery of past, present and future, which I have to say that people have asked me, which is my favorite book of my books, and that one is, it is my favorite. I really like that book. It's the lowest seller of them. You know, it's, it's nowhere near Spellt, a set sold as well. I think it's around 10, 12,000 something like that. So it's not been a huge seller and it's, it's not gone into any foreign write deals, whereas all the other books are in multiple foreign languages, which I find very sad. Yeah, but you think it could have to do with that. It's easier for people to understand stuff like near death, but this may be more demanding. It was philosophically. It's philosophically a good, more demanding. I didn't put a lot of work into that. And that's why I think I enjoy it so much. So that's the book. And you can get it, it's available. You can pick up from your local libraries, probably if you wish. But it's also available and audible, which I had to audition to read my own books, which was, was great fun. I really enjoyed doing that. So that's, that's that one. Yes. So that's, that's the book we've been talking about. Okay. And you, you know, mention you had a podcast. What's that called? The podcast is called Consciousness Hour. It's, it's on the back burner of the moment because I've had problems with IT and with the arcons who have been playing with me a little bit. So I've decided to not give them any more fun for a time. But then again, I'm so heavily involved in the writing of my 13th book at the moment that I'm really focusing in on getting that done, which is deadline for the end of March. It goes, it goes back to the old truisms when man plan the gods laugh. Yeah. Spot. What about your YouTube channel? Is that the same as the podcast? It's not really a podcast. It's a YouTube channel, which I, I used to go out live. There used to be two that was consciousness hour and then consciousness now and in con. And I, the person who I do the show with is Sarah James, who's the young lady who did the event in Greece in Athens. She's, she's an absolute expert on you, you should have her as a guest on your show. I think you said that last time. What was it that she, there was something she had achieved that I should interview her about something about near death or out of the body experience. Oh, there's two. There's, there's two that I think you should interview. The first one is Sarah James. I'm, I helped her get a book deal with inner traditions in America. And her book is now out and it's about dream incubation. Lucid dreaming? Yeah, Lucid dreaming she's interested in, but dream incubation and also the, the lucid, the Greek mysteries. I definitely have her on. Yes, she is good. Make sure to send her me her or just introduce us via an email. I think she's, and she, she is brilliant. She's check out, check out online the interviews I've done with her, because we did them together. And she's very, very good. And the other person that I think you should interview is my friend Samantha Lee Treasher, who's now living out in South Korea. And she's got two books, two out, one within a traditions and one, two out with Arcturus. And I managed to help her to get both those book deals. She is somebody up and coming. She really is. I think you recommended her last time, but I've forgot the approach. What was she, she don't something that I could pick a brain for. We were talking about egg regors. We were talking about diamonds. We were talking about, did she do something in terms of astral? Yeah, she, she has, she has very profound out of body experiences, but she also has future out of the body experiences. For instance, she goes to a place she calls future Tokyo. Wow. Where she is and she sees herself reflected in buildings and things, where she's an android. She's a cyborg. And she, she works on on the sea cables. Wow. And she'll suddenly find herself out of the body and she'll be in this cyborg body, working underwater on on the sea cables. It's quite extraordinary. And she's effectively mapping out this environment. But she's particularly interested in cartoon entities. So, oh, I remember, I told you about my auto body experience, where I was looking into a mirror. Yes. And I think you said you would encourage her to run. I'll encourage. Yes. Call me back to you, right? It is indeed. And if, in fact, I should have mentioned that too, because I spoke to her this morning. So, yeah. And what I saw in a mirror to remind you is negative. Yeah. Now that she'd be fascinated by this because this is the non-standard things that people are, because she's very much into this whole world of youngsters now and the things they're doing in terms of astral body experiences and everything as well. And she's also shamanism. She's resummonism in South Korea, where she lives now. Right. Right. In terms of time, if that is possible, what she's doing, I would venture that in her mind, she goes between these frozen particles, these frozen movie pictures. And then here comes another thing, right? The potentiality of different universes. So, it's not like written in stone that even though she's doing the UAP thing, her mind going in between behind a curtains, behind a scene, still there are potential futures. So, it may not necessarily be the one we are. Yes. But then again, how do I know that you and me are not venturing out into two different branches of time, right? So, that's. Yeah, absolutely. It's intriguing. And of course, as I mentioned earlier on, Sam was the Persephone character in the recreation of Plato's cave. And, yes, just in terms of almost dual realities sometimes. And it's going to be interesting to see what feedback we get from this conversation, from the people who've been listening again. Absolutely. It'd be great to have feedback guys, you know, let us know what you think about the conversation and your own experiences of these things. Yeah. I sometimes check the comments and Spotify, YouTube, and it was really. It was really great last time. I'll allow you to sum off the feedback I get. Please do. Yeah, please do. Wow. I'll conversation next time. I'll not let it go many years. Yeah, absolutely. We must do it again soon. Thank you so much for today, Anthony. And you wonderful conversation. Yeah. Okay, Anthony, good bless you. Have a nice day. Okay, see you. Bye. See you. Bye. Thanks again to Anthony for revisiting the forum and blessing us with his many illuminations. Now, I'll quote in his book from an ancient philosopher, goes like this, "Whether time would exist or not, if a manifested consciousness did not exist, is a fair question. For if there cannot be someone to count, there cannot be anything that can be counted." Now, this is a version of, if a tree falls into forest, but there is none to hear it, does it still make sound? Well, as we have many times concluded in former shows, indeed, if there is no one to experience it, the tree didn't really fall. Let alone make any sound, rather there has been a change in the quote unquote programming code that generates the image of a tree, such that next time someone is in vicinity and perceives it, and thereby invokes its scene, it appears to have been fallen. In the same manner, well, where no one exists, there is no time, because time is consciousness experiencing a sequence of images, or more specific, the sequence of space manifesting from moment to moment. This then is related to the particle versus the wave problem. And my view, you already know, existence is made up by waves, which if you zoom in on it, a specific space and time become frozen, quote unquote, an apparatus as particles, which still are but parts of the same overmoving waves. When the clock hit midnight, it's still a frozen moment, or a particle of time, so to speak, but time itself is an overflowing wave in itself, but is experienced as an unfolding cascade of linear now, once there is consciousness interacting with it. So there is a programming two time, whether we call it chrono, so something even more mythical, but just like in a computer game, if you do not enter a room, it is unmanifested as raw data. And once you do enter it, you trigger its potential into existence, where the order of its ones and zeros appears to you as a room. Likewise, our interaction with the vibrations making up existence, is what is needed for the programming of time and space to become the conscious experience of time and space. By themselves time and space are infinite. We know that the only way space has any meaning is if there are objects in it. It allows us to measure space as the distance between them. And without anything and anyone in space it sees as to exist the same as true for time. As time is just sequences of space or like in Antony's example many still photos in a row appearing like a moving film. And the spiral movement is in the direction of entropy and neg entropy. But what is it that moves space time? Why isn't it just a permanently still image? Why isn't everything just constantly frozen and motionless? Well, according to the esoteric terminology it is fire, the primordial force in cosmos. And fire is intimately bound to our minds. Without light space time ceases to exist. A materialist may insist that time is real by defining it as something measured by a clock. But what is it that the clock measures? Time. This is a circle argument and a philosophical cul-de-sac. Does not that day exist? Certainly not the whole day because the beginning has vanished before the end appears. The same is true for an hour and likewise with a second. The only space of time that can exist is that where the beginning and the end come so close to each other that they merge in other words a quantum of zero time. We cannot put yesterday on the table or any other place, but if we finish and we have no time in a physical sense, what we have is psychic time. Time is what appears more real than anything else because it is something that is generated by our minds. In actuality it is just non-time that can have a real existence. We cannot have any experience that is not directly measured in the categories of space, time, and causalities because they are the very structure and fabric of experience. But we must not conflate these methods of conceptualizations, interpretations and comprehensions with reality. So let's discard the illusory concept of physical space-time and let me finally rather move on to muse around the consciousness aspect of it, which is the true nature. Anyone who has preserved in their soul some of the cosmic heritage we naturally all have in their unconscious are prone to be in touch with eternity, the essence of existence, at least potentially. For everyone who has a mind for the invisible and not only for that which can be sensed, who is not blind or deaf because the eyes and ears are in their way, but can feel newly born in infinity and sensed limitlessness of time as a rush through them to them the sacred words of the ancients are written. Let us count our days that we may gain wisdom in our hearts. They will not misunderstand. No one is given to be able to count to the days of life we have ahead of us. And the ones left behind are of little help in having counted except in so far as they indicate that it is decreasing with the rest and giving a healthy reminder that we are rather infants on this earth. Even if we are almost 56 years or 70 years old, a 50 year old has 18,000 days of life behind him, and a 70 year old has 25,000 no more and all less. None knows in advance whether she will achieve that money, but if she has been granted them, she knows that she can count to the rest with slim digits. Yes, alas, it is the destiny of man to pass on, young or old. It is the only single thing in life we all know for sure that awaits us. Brave atheists, humble agnostics, frank religious people, we all share the same fate and destiny. Death shall lay the pious and the grave, side by side with the children of unbelief, and shall deprive the rich of his wealth, and the poor of his misery, the mighty of his power, and the celebrity of his fame, and shall shut the mouth of the learned and silenced the tongue of the scoffer. Life from generation to generation rolls like a wave, where each person is a particle, across to see your fraternity and lifts us up into the light of day for a short while, only to let us sink back into the same depth of fraternity from which we were lifted up. Because the number of days is so limited, therefore we shall count them as precious gifts. In other words, we must take care of them, use them wisely, while we write each life's saga on the tablet of time. Because we don't have the opportunity to scribble a tentative draft that we can rewrite afterwards to get order and coherence and good sense in presentation, is like being up for an exam and having to hand in your assignment without being able to do drafts. Because there isn't time for it, or not enough paper, or the pen empties without being able to get it refilled, etc. And then it's silly to sit and cross those scribble mindlessly in order to get the sheets out of the way, passing the time as they say. No, the days are some precious sheets that must be filled once and for all, and handed in as they are without revision or altered. And even if none in heaven or eternity shall ever read or use them, they nonetheless are inevitably archived by time, not in libraries or archives or museums, but in living life, and in their unpredictable consequences for lives and faultment through time. Therefore count your days before it's too late. When you are time to sigh, you have received your last one. As the day and the hour inevitably draw closer, it sends more and more strongly that the young life is leaving us, while everything that was ours is fading away in the fleeting time. The world of youth is no longer what it was, it becomes more and more alien to us with all its advances, with or without quotation marks and improvements, same. It changes in new customs and views, expressions, tastes and preferences, new problems and discussions that we cannot pay attention to, and even if we can, there is rarely anyone who bothers to listen to the old man. Because he has nothing more to say when he has "fall in pasta age limit" and the young has taken over the world. He is like a ghost on old plots for the rest of his days. More and more of those who wear contemporary faces and voices are gone and silenced. No future awaits us in the world. And all the past is gone with all its joys and sorrows, defeats and triumphs. There is less and less left of us, and less and less left for us. Finally, nothing. The same fate and share awaits those who come after us. And perhaps that is the only or most important reason why the elder is tolerated as a pensioner or patient as a, like some kind of scarecrow or memento to the youth of what they themselves can expect. And if you have not used your young years to do useful work, create or to speak your mind while someone still wanted to listen, then you have lived in vain. Yes, even those that made use of their time and perhaps did great achievements and coughed up triumphs and can be happy that things are growing off to them. What is there so left when they have to give everything up? Well there is actually something and perhaps the most important. Because as we face the last day, the question arise more and more presently about what might await us when death has closed our eyes, an expectation of eternity or perhaps a fear of it. No one can feel safe. Even if you try very hard to suppress your thoughts and emotions and wave them away like troublesome mosquitoes or drags on your peace of mind. No atheistic opium helps against them. And the materialistic mind-spin has become a pathetically fragile mosquito net against troublesome thoughts of eternity. After quantum physics has torn it to shreds. How many bold atheists or agnostics there may be who quietly search and fumble through the holy books for something to strengthen their soul when life abs no one knows. And there is none who can blame them. Because on the border between life and death it tends to dawn upon anyone that man is something more than a high-ranking mammal, something more than an ape man, then we tend to become quite human and can fold our hands a little, which no monkey has yet been able to do with any significant reverence. But if there is still the occasional intellectualist who holds his ground like a steadfast tin soldier right up to the threshold of death, then he has only a single and extremely miserable hope left, that it cannot be worse to be dead than not to be born. And what that is, he imagines to have some idea about from the trillions of years the stars have existed, or the hundreds of trillions of years the universe has found its way without his help, even without him feeling any lack of existence of sorrow for not being born. But he still does not really dare to trust this poor hope. So there is actually a certain difference between having woven, once tiny thread of life into the motley fabric of life with all its unpredictable consequences, and, on the other hand, never having seen the stars or sensed lives joy and sorrows or experienced its suspense and mystery. And with that, our time together is ending for now. Thanks for all your support, reviews, comments, likes, shares, follows and subscriptions, all keeping us afloat. I've been your host Al, iterating that time isn't a bundle of milestones, but a sequence of valuable moments. Be seeing you, seeing you, seeing you, seeing you. [Music]