‘Another 48 Hrs’ With Bill Simmons Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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This is our last rewatchables that is going to be a YouTube because the next one will be on Netflix on Monday. And we're going to do zodiac. We're going to try to do at least for the first couple months movies that are also on Netflix. So you can watch the movie in Netflix and then watch the pod. So we're doing the rezodiac next week. Yes, the reason I wasn't on the first one. You're not a zodiac guy. I mean, I like the movie. It's a good movie. It's very intense. But it's very important to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What is that? Because zodiac is a part of the reestablishing of the career of Robert Downey Jr. Oh, yeah. He's viable again, he's viable again, and then you have kiss, kiss, bang, bang in there somewhere. So he comes back kind of with like the singing detective, some movies like that. But we talk about it all the time whenever we have a conversation about him. If you try to think of somebody who Hollywood was out on or is out on right now. That's how out they were on him. He worked his way back. All right. Well, Eddie Murphy in a different point of his career in another 40 hours. This is one for us week. We did just one of the guys on Monday. Another 48 hours, a movie that we've complained about and talked about forever, and it's next. All right. So a couple of months ago, you guys were actually in the pod. I talked about the sequel ideas that made me the maddest in the history of mankind. And number one on the list was another 48 hours. Kyo becoming the iceman. And this is a movie that drives me crazy. And yet I feel like I've seen it 30 times. You know what? You feel the way about another 48 hours, the way some people feel about the end of Game of Thrones. It's like you're such a keeper of the lore. Yeah. You understand the landscape of the law enforcement and criminal underworld of San Francisco in the early 80s as told by 48 hours. And this movie betrayed you. This movie stabbed you right in the heart. And yet I keep watching over and over again because I like having my guys back. It's, I wrote down it's a karaoke sequel, Van. Same music, similar opening. Two bar scenes. There's a hotel shootout. Jack Cates says call for help now. Rips that off again. We have Eddie singing Roseanne. We have Jack shooting at Reggie. And Roxanne. Roxanne. Roseanne. I wrote Roseanne for some reason. It's Roxanne. Jack's shooting Reggie at the end. The letter switch ending and the bus boys. Yeah. So it's basically like all the staples. It feels like the same movie. It's not as good. And yet I always watch it when it's on. Yeah. Well, for me, this was another sequel first movie. I saw this one before. I saw the second one. It's always tough to come back. Yeah. But when you see this one. Not entirely sure. I'm not the same way. I can't remember. But I may have seen another before 48. Right. Because this came out in 1990s. And that's conceivable. You guys saw this first. So when you go back and watch the first one after you've seen this one. The first one seems like the fucking Godfather. It seems like a very serious. I mean, does. But this one is a movie that's like. It moves very fast. It's pretty fun. It's incredibly violent. Like when you're 10 or 9 or 10 years old in the 80s. Like I was at this point. These are the kind of movies that you're watching. And Eddie Murphy is such a gigantic star. Yeah. That he can kind of. Through gravity pull a movie to its end. When you go back and watch the first one. It's not as oriented around him. The movie takes itself a lot more seriously. It's a completely different. It's funny. But it's a totally different movie. And he almost got fired on the first one. After two weeks. And they couldn't really figure him out. He'd never been on a movie before. He didn't really know how to act. And then they figured out how to use his improvisation. Just like a cute cutie. By the time we do this, he's the first guy listed in the movie. It's built around him. He said seven number one hits in a row. This was the last one that became number one opening weekend. And he's the biggest movie star we have. And this is kind of when an NCR. Well, yeah. I mean, I think that this movie is an interesting what if. And an interesting kind of cross crossroads for him. Because we'll talk about how there is a lost version of this film. Yeah. And if this movie winds up having a more critically favorable reception. And if it winds up doing better at the box, I mean, did pretty well at the box on this. But if it has like a warmer reception, you wonder what is different about Murphy post another 48 hours. Can I ask a question like about what you guys think about this take, whether or not this. This is, I can't think of another movie. This is kind of the end of the Eddie Sons. But you can argue that it's the beginning of the Nolte Sons. Like, Nolte is already pretty well established. But like after this, you go Cape Fear, the Prince of Tides, Lorenzo's oil, the player. I'll do anything blue chips. Like he really goes on a run. Not before. Yes. You're these these movies that we all love through. Through future. This I love down on Beverly Hills might be my favorite. Nick Nolte was that I was like 88 down on Beverly Hills is 86. Okay. So I mean, that's three years. Nick Nolte is already a big star. But he goes up to another level in terms of prestige in the next four or five or six years. And it's interesting that they're kind of ships passing in the night. One more time like in this film. Yeah. And I think he cleaned up his act too, right? I mean, definitely. I definitely think that's because I remember the fit. I think that was Nick Nolte partied so hard that week he couldn't host the show. He basically called them sick. He looks a lot better in this movie than he did in the first one. He even said, yeah, I quit drinking. Anything in that. Any remarks he goes, yeah, what happened? Yeah, you're right. Because he does. Yeah, he didn't really have anything before this. And you're right. Prince of Tides was a big one for him. That's a huge one. I mean, he became people's sexiest man alive. Blue chips was kind of where the wheels started to go back up. Blue chips is way like a sort of four year run for him. Blue chips. I love trouble. And then he takes a big swing with Jefferson and Paris. Yeah. And that kind of doesn't really work. Yeah. And it's also like the movie industry itself kind of turns towards guys like Nolte and you have these adult dramas and adult comedies that are. He's capable of leading. And I think that makes a big difference. That's two thirds of it. The other third was the Julie Roberts movie that bombed. Sure. I love trouble. It was like one of the most famous bombs of the 90s. And they hated each other. I think he started to get a reputation. There's like a whole print soundtrack. Really bad. I think that really set him back. And he got passed by a bunch of white dudes that were younger than him. And we're grabbing the parts. It happens to the best. But once people think that you're sexy. Once people think that you are kind of like. Oh, he's got this grizzled sexiness to him. That's when you go. Take your shot at the romcom. And if you're going to take your shot with the romcom. At that point. You're going to take your shot with Julia Roberts. Maybe it's a little early. Maybe Meg Ryan. Maybe somebody like that. But you're going to take that shot. And it didn't work for him. Because he can't pull it off. It felt like in the 70s. Him and Jeff Bridges were vying to be like the biggest heart throbs. Going forward. And neither of them totally made it as that kind of actor. Yeah. I think that. Bridges had it had King Kong. Nick No, too. It was in Richmond, poor man in North Alice, 40. And just felt like he was going to come this way. It's not uncommon to see actors basically. Start out really hot. They're like kind of heartthrob young. And then there's like this middle period where they're just sort of like. Nobody's taking me seriously enough. It just happened to McConaughey recently enough. Right. I think he felt like he was sort of trapped in romcoms and adventure movies. And it wasn't until Dallas Byers Club and True Detective. And he had to lose 50 pounds. Yeah. Well, yeah. That happens after he's a rock star by the time interstellar comes around. So interstellar is before or after Dallas. And he loses the weight and wins the Oscar. Yeah. And then that opens up all this other stuff. Less than as always, if you lose 50 pounds and you could somehow still live and be in a decent movie. Great things are going to happen. Eddie Murphy. This is his seventh rewatchable, which moves him into the official like the standings in the newspaper. Uh huh. He's tied with Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Leo Douglas, Ethan Hawke and Renee Russo. Even Hawke. He was so, Renee Russo was seven. It's just trailing costner Hoffman, Julie Roberts and Hackman by one now. I'm underappreciated actress. We got you night crawler soon so we can get her back up. Get her numbers up. I honestly wanted to beef up his stats beyond argue about this movie and all the behind the scene stuff that I think's fascinating about it. But I sent Vann the spin magazine article. It was an interview with Spike Lee in Eddie Murphy. There's another Rolling Stone article that I sent that one to you. There's a Rolling Stone profile of him around then. This is the most fascinating time for Eddie where he's a successful. He's ever going to be. He's as wealthy. You know, he's set for life. Yeah. He's minted. He's the big, it's him Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson are basically the four biggest celebrities, I think and he's just miserable and he and it's it's the classic like everyone's against me what I would do now and it comes out in these two pieces. And he talks about this movie and he says he said this to spin magazine after the movie came out and he said the critical response to another 40 hours. I thought the movie was all right. And after doing a picture that was received both commercially and critically as fucked up as Harlem nights was after doing a picture that was viewed as a shitty movie. I should have done a movie that was great as opposed to movie that was all right. So he kind of knows it didn't hit the way it hit and there's real reasons for that. Yeah, but I also feel like this happens sometimes with musicians happens with athletes. We saw this happen a little bit on. And AJ Brown, one of the super bullies like I feel hollow. Might happen to Josh Allen right now. I can't. I'm doing great, but I can't win. Yeah. And it feels like you could feel it in that piece with spike, right? This was one of the most angsty revealing pieces I've ever read on a celebrity. I cannot believe I've never read this before. But between him and spike, there's three things happening. Number one, Eddie Murphy is dealing with being this gigantic star and the professional and social responsibility at that. Spike is there as sort of your straight man, telling Eddie Murphy at different times. What he thinks Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy's responsibility should be, right? And he had also been critical publicly of him before that. Spike has been, it has been critical of almost everyone. Yeah. Okay. But especially in 89, it was like, why doesn't Eddie use his power? Why doesn't Eddie use his power? He's like, Eddie, shouldn't you be getting more people hired at studios and stuff like that? And Eddie is talking about the fact that there is just a tremendous amount of weight on him. As a star, like fuck being as the biggest black star in the town. Sure. Just as a star, as an entity. There's business, there's expectation. There are deals. And he's talking about the family. There's family. That's family. He's talking about the fact that there's this. And then there's this whole other part of it that stars do not have to deal with like white stars, right? And at the end of it, he's like, you know, I just want to be an entertainer. I just want to be able to entertain. Despite asking why you got pictures of Elvis everywhere and like, what's wrong? What's up with you? And like, listen to him talk about it. I understand way better now while it why Eddie kind of went to the wilderness in the early 90s. Well, it's also interesting to think about in terms of like why he's never really come back. You know what I mean? Like he never really did the standup tour, the standup comeback tour. Never did standup again. Which at this point probably at various moments over the last couple of like 10 years or so. Could he have played so far? Like I don't know. Like Eddie Murphy could sell out any building in the world. There are enough seats in the world for him to step on stage and people not to come. Right. And so he and like his kind of decided to sort of go into a light. I wouldn't call it retirement, but he's basically doing like easy layup movies for streamers. It was a long time ago. Yeah, that's been the 30. I would say 30 years of that. And yeah, and Dr. Doolittle. We've probably been doing that for way longer than he was the man. Yeah. Because the edge that he had, the way that Eddie made you laugh. Like various few people. Which is why I was interested in to see him chase the Oscar at times when he did. Dreamgirls or even coming back with Dolomite and trying to like Jenny that up. That could do what he could do that had that type of on screen charisma. Can make you laugh like that, but then also could dial it back and control the scene. And it weighed on him. Like it's if when you read this, he talks about the fact I don't even remember that coming to America wasn't critically well received. It's amongst the best comedies in the entire. I didn't know how true that was. It's funny because he was like probably in my top three all time favorites. And I never knew how angry he was in the late 80s. And now you look back and like he goes in the Oscars. And the 1989 Oscars and talks about how. How the representation was so bad with nominations, the whole thing. And everybody's like fuck did he do that for? Yeah. So what's up with him? What's up his ass? It was like kind of the response to it. So he does that. He does his Rolling Stones thing. Same thing. And then this. And all of it is about this to basically too much was on my plate too much was thrown to me. I thought this would feel better. I thought being this successful would actually be fun. It's not. And basically he's trapped in this little circle with like six people around him. He's not around people every day. He doesn't trust anyone. He said women try to sue him. He had the art book wild claim that it's still coming to America from him. And he's just bitter at everybody. And I think that makes sense when you see the movies that ended up doing the 90s where eventually he just retreats. And does like 90 professor and easy stuff where he can just play characters and. And a low ceiling stuff. When you close your eyes and you think of Eddie Murphy and you think of like the. The best moment of Eddie Murphy. What is the character or the movie that comes to mind? Prince of King from coming to America. I think Eddie would say that. I think I probably enjoyed the Beverly Hills Cop 1 Eddie the most because it was just felt like it was 22. Yeah, and it just felt like. You this was this was like going to be the guy. Yeah, like for years and decades and this the guy could do anything. I probably agree with you. I probably feel like at 48 hours it's like seeing like. It's like seeing Caleb Williams throw throw passes where you're just like I can't believe this like I can't believe this guy can pull this off. Yeah, and it's kind of interesting to watch another 48 hours and that lens through that lens and see like the brief flashes. Totally of when it comes back. Like when he's calling the guy for the money on the pay phone. Yeah, on the pay phone. It's like this should have been the movie we guys doing. But even the one of my favorite tell you he hates cops. That's right there. That's Eddie Murphy. Yeah, he's fucking with this guy the whole time and you think that he is going to end up getting Kate's a ticket. But really the joke is on the cop that any tells him in the cops who scared us. So look, when you look at the early 90s, we've done boomerang. Like, but if you look at distinguish gentleman and some of those other movies and then the abomination that is Beverly Hills cop three. Just like that movie is almost. Is that the one with the theme park? Yeah, like that. And by the way, in one of the interviews he's talking about I would never do Beverly Hills cop three. Like, he's like, they want him just throw many of me. I'm never going to sell out like that. And then five years later you sold out. Yeah. But one ring is to me like a perfect film. That was the first Eddie one we did together. Right. Yeah. But like even in that one, you could tell he's trying to be different. He's the straight man in that movie. He wants to be Kara Grant. He wants to be taken seriously. I think that's like a thing that happens to a lot of people who get famous for doing a particular thing. And then it's like Eddie Murphy also wanted to be a musician. And Eddie Murphy wanted to be a viable action star. And Eddie Murphy wanted to be, you know what I mean? And it's like everybody was just. And he wanted to be a singer. Yeah, he wanted to be a pin up like like old Hollywood star. He wanted to be Elvis. Yeah. It's a tough one because I do think he was among the most talented people. They'll ask 40 plus years. Like he was the most overqualified SNL person they've ever had. And will Ferrell is probably second. Everything went right for him for I would say seven years with his movie career, right? And by the time coming to America comes out, he's still like 28. He's not even really an adult yet. He's only six years older than Drake May. But he says in the spin thing. And this is after Tyson lost to Douglas in Japan, which is interesting parallel to Eddie because Tyson had the same meteoric rise. And so he says, what happened Mike Tyson, you get so big. People don't understand what happened. How can this motherfucker never lose with Mike when he lost and became human. In retrospect, I think doing something like the last two films I've done. Maybe it's good that it makes you lose a step. The pressure is off you to be this perfect motherfucker. And then he talks about his career. And he says. I was probably getting comfortable with my position, not appreciate. And the position I was in, I went through a thing I'd seven pictures back to back. So he was like a cutely aware of like. Nobody's done what I'm doing right now. Yeah. And he couldn't sustain it. But I think part of the reason you can't sustain it is. You, you just stop when you become that famous. You're just not a normal person anymore. Yeah. And also if you're a musician actor athlete, whoever. I also wonder whether with his style of comedy and when you watch him on SNL and when you watch him in those early movies. Yeah. You feel like you're like. There's no safety to it. I'm floating in. I'm, I'm, I'm, we're floating with this guy like anything can happen. And so once you kind of like grow past that point where you're. Connected to the things that made you who you were in the first place. I wonder if for specifically for standups. If it starts to become. A little bit like if you're not sign felt and making like. Creativity and observations about everyday life that everybody has. If you're Eddie Murphy and everything is energy and everything is. It's channeling a certain sensibility. I wonder if you can sustain that. I don't think you can as a standup. But I definitely don't think you can as a standup who is also a gigantic movie star. Yeah. Like they're standup is ever done. They're standups that get into their 50s when they are primarily known for that. And they're able to like pull the energy of their cultural observations. Like, you know, split them over three or four different specials over four or five years. Right. Man, when you are watching Eddie Murphy in a movie like Beverly Hills Cop. He is the comedy in the film. I mean, don't get me wrong. There are other people that are funny. funny things that happened, but every single scene is an incredibly heavy lift. It's a real heavy lift. Eddie's doing characters. Eddie's being suave and he's being kind of like a rascal, like all that, he's doing that in every film. And it comes to a head and come into America. It's all about it in that piece where there's legitimately a scene where he's playing for different characters. - Yeah. - He's playing off of himself. That's how insulated he's come. - And he was mad that one of the reviewers said he was lazy in the movie. He's like, "I literally put everything out of scene "for five minutes." - Yeah. - Right? And then he changed it, he wants to do less. And for four or five years, we don't even notice. Like we notice that the movies weren't the same, but we don't notice that Eddie Murphy isn't Eddie Murphy. - Interesting. I was curious what you would say about a parallel career like Robin Williams. - Now, Robin Williams probably never as famous as Eddie Murphy was at the beginning of his career, right? Like he does more Camindy. - I would say more Camindy was a bigger show than Sarah and Alive at that point. I think the audience was bigger for it. - But where people like Robin Williams is like. - They didn't know his comedy as much. They went right to movies and was immediately trying to be a movie guy. - And pretty quickly within the movies started doing serious roles. - Right. He moved to like World of Cardinal Garpe was probably the first one. I think the thing with Eddie, he's doing three things at the same time. He's saving SNL by himself, where he's also one of the only black stars. We talked about this in passpots. He's one of the only black stars on TV in the early 80s. So he's got the whole burden of that. He's replacing Richard Pryor as the guy as a standup, right? And Pryor's self-combusting and he blows himself up. What was he doing when he blew himself up? What was he smoking? - He wasn't crack. - He was free-basing. - He was free-basing, that's what it was. But he blows himself up. He's stopped that to be like, "Well, that could remember me." - What is the thing that you guys smoke when you're blowing yourself up? - Shut up. - What is he doing? - The Rockefeller was talking about it. - What happened here? - Stop. (laughing) - But he's also older, right? So Eddie takes that spot. But then he also takes the number one comedy movie, actor spot. And all these things happen in three years. Any person would be happy with one of those three things. Chris Rock only was able to do one of those three things. And we're like, Chris Rock, what is the career? - The generational comic. - Yeah. - It's like Chappelle. - Oh my God, generational. Eddie, that was one of the three things he did. And I think that it's just a lot. - Yeah, and it's also just like Eddie Murphy never had a good morning Vietnam where you translate your standup or your comic skills perfectly into a dramatic role. But good morning Vietnam was nowhere near as big of a movie as the least popular Eddie Murphy movie of the 80s. - Yeah, this movie made $150 million. - And it's reviled. - It was considered to be disappointing. - Yeah. - So he speaks-- - 19 on Rotten Tomatoes. That's crazy. It's not that bad. Like 19. - Yeah. - This movie's good. - I like this movie. - I like it. - He speaks to this in the piece though. - Yeah. - He talks about the fact because, you know, Robin Williams worked with our tours and different directors and stuff like that. Eddie talks about the fact that he didn't and really couldn't do that. He was like, he's talking to Spike Lee. And by the way, they promised to work together in this piece, they never do. - Sure. - It never happens. - It's so funny. They spend like, over there they're like, yeah, when we were in, never, not even like a tiny world. - And what he's essentially talking about is the, how the, the seriousness of Spike Lee, and who Spike Lee was as a black director at that time, the responsibility that Spike has, and the responsibility that Eddie has as being the guy that everybody likes. And it seemed like he was saying that he couldn't do stuff like what Robin Williams was doing. He couldn't take those chances. That wasn't what they wanted from him. He's like, they send in workman directors and to do some of these movies. And I'll do those movies with them. But like as far as me working with like, really important directors and that stuff like that, it's like, that's not what I'm doing. And that's kind of not what they want me to do. They want me to do any Murphy pictures. - Yeah, you read. There's like a burden. - I almost wonder like, 'cause he does the Oscars staying in '89, right? And that's this renaissance for, you have Spike, you have Robert Townsend, the Wands Brothers are coming in and there's this whole generational thing, hip-hop's coming in. There's this whole generational thing shifting. And you could almost feel like Eddie felt like he was over here in the mass market area of like belonging to everybody and was kind of, but I still should be over here too. And that's why he's speaking out there in these two years. And then it's over. And then he has the thing with the picking up the prostitute in 1995. - Sure. - After that, he stops doing interviews. I mean, he basically disappears after that. - And you only have some promotion for movies and that's it. - You'll get, every once in a while, a little story of like Eddie Murphy Quentin Tarantino something, you know, whether it was, I think Tarantino was like, he was thinking about Eddie Murphy for Pulp. Fiction or something like that, but then there's been a more recent story of-- - All the good directors. - I think they've been fascinated by him. - Quentin had like a Beverly Hills cop pitch that Eddie Murphy was like, that's actually pretty good. You know what? - Yeah. - He becomes-- - He can't think was in on him too, trying to get him. - He becomes that guy because like those directors obviously grew up on him, but also it's like, there was so much that he could do. And I bet that people looked at him and was like, yo, this guy is better than a haunted mansion. This is Eddie Murphy. He's better than a haunted house. - Well, didn't you feel that way with distinguished gentlemen? - I remember when they introduced you. - God damn it. It's just like, it's a stupid movie. - But look, God damn it. How did we get to this point? - There are interesting films in there. It like, you know, Boomerang is interesting 'cause he goes all black hats for Boomerang. - That's the best thing he did that decade. - Absolutely. But then like, there's Bo Finger, which is an interesting movie. - Really like Bo Finger. - It's an interesting movie. It's a funny movie. That's Eddie trying to-- - He tries to do Metro, it doesn't quite work. - Doesn't quite work, doesn't quite work. And then he never does the thing. He never, and not until Dreamgirls, he doesn't have the goodwill hunting moment. He doesn't have sort of the Jim Carrey. - Like, could he have done training day? - No. - Could he have done, he got game. - No. - I don't think so. - You saw him shoot the basketball in this movie. - Well, great. - He could have done Truman show. - Could have done Truman show. - I think so. I think, I think. And this is gonna sound really stupid, but something like cast away. Like, there is an element of like-- - Oh wow. - What are the things that you, would you watch Eddie Murphy on his own on an island for an hour and a half? I would, you know, now would he, would it have the same gravitas? Would it, what would happen in that film? I don't know. But like, it is, it is a, it is a really sad-- - That's a great idea. - That is a great idea. - The thing to look back and be like-- - Can we just do that? - I'm thinking about most roles that Hank's played. You know, besides-- - Could he then sleep a senseiato? - Maybe. Maybe he could have done, like, sleep some horror. - He could have done big though. - He could have done big. He could have also done, like, not only in their own look, but think about Philadelphia, where Hank's is in the Denzel Washington part, and Eddie is in the Tom Hanks part. That would have been, that would have fucked people's head up. - What's, what's your Eddie relationship, Craig? You're like two generations removed. - Unfortunately, I think the relationship with Eddie is that I knew he was famous first before I had a relationship with a specific movie. I mean, to be honest, he made like Dr. Doolittle, and that's probably like the first thing I saw. - That's like most people on the 35th. It's pretty remarkable that for a guy as talented as him who was the biggest star in the world, his career does still feel like a missed opportunity a little bit. It's like Aaron Rodgers only having one ring. You're like, that's, he was the most talented quarterback I've ever seen, and he only has one ring. - He shouldn't have won at least one last time. - There's, there's part of me that is still like, if Eddie Murphy started a podcast tomorrow, it would be like the biggest podcast of all. - He's still, he's-- - Do you know what I mean? There's, there's like-- - Would you say the documentary? - I did. - Yeah. It was interesting 'cause it was all the good and bad of where it is now where it was a very safe, controlled documentary that was afraid to really go anywhere. But I was completely ribbed with the whole time. - And he's a good racon tour, yeah. - I loved it, and he told great stories, and it had a great time. - And you still want to love him whenever you see him. You know something else that happened? Now I think about it is Hollywood really split Eddie into like thirds in the '90s. - Yeah. - Like they took the charm of Eddie, and then that was Will Smith. Like almost anything that Will Smith was doing, you could have imagined Eddie doing it. They took the straight up-- - Like bad boys would have been Eddie, 10 years ago. - Bad boys, men in black, right? He had to play a little bit younger than him, but still, and then they took like rush hour. Like they wanted Eddie to be like in rush hour. That was supposed to be Eddie Murphy, but Chris Tucker was like occupying that space for a little while. But in the '80s, there was one guy at the top who could do all of that stuff that those guys can do like when you split them apart. - Well, yeah, he never was in like an independent stay or Armageddon, any of those type of movies, 'cause he was kind of too famous to be one of the seven guys. - Also, if you get trapped, you're like your own franchise. - Some of those movies started to do a little bit of moneyball where it's like, well, we'll get John Malkovich to be the bad guy in Conair, 'cause his price point's probably, and I can be as high as Eddie Murphy, or something like that. - Yeah. - Well, in this movie, in 40 to hours, one who's paid $200,000, and this one who's played $12 million plus points, he actually came up with the story and used the pseudonym for it, talked no tea into it, no tea called Walter Hill, the director, who we'll talk about in a second. And he said, "What do you think, Walt?" And then Nick said, "If we do one in its stinks, we're still badding 500." - That's funny. - But he said it in the nickname, no taboos. - That's good. - If we do one in its stinks. - Not a bad life lesson. - Yeah. (laughing) and Walter will set a lot of-- folks will say I'm just doing it for the money what I want to know is what I think why do I think they made the first one. So the most interesting thing about this movie is something we'll talk about right after the break. All right so we mentioned this is a complicated rewatchables because it's rewatchable but it is among the movies that made me the madness and I didn't fully realize that we did the research CR that this should have been a two and a half hour long movie. Yeah. That got cut to 120 and then a week before the release Paramount Panicked because total recall done really well and was short and they said we got to get this down to 95 and they just fucking brought the chainsaw out and chopped it and this is the reason the plot is so nonsensical and it's like wait how do they know and that's why because they just took out scenes that would have explained. Definitely chopped this thing to shit. I am a little curious how none of that has ever gotten on any DVD or on YouTube or there's never been like 25 minutes is like 16s. Yes. I mean the the conceit of the movie 48 hours that ended up on the cutting room floor as well. Yes. The idea that Jack has a deadline to find the ace man. So they cut out he and it's in one of the trailers. He tells Reggie I only have 48 hours. We got to find the ice man. I'm going to jail and going just gone. Yeah. Apparently Cruz Kio's buddy in this has a whole arc that's gone and the guy who played Kio explains the whole thing and he said he lost every major scene he had. It felt like any kick than the stomach. I was the third lead. I looked like a dressed extra. There's no mention of 48 hours in the film anywhere and this is just how it went. So when I read that quote from Brian James about playing Kio, right? Yeah. I thought to some extent they may have made that decision to maintain the twist of like who key of who ice man is and that's why they cut his stuff out. I mean it's not even a twist. Well, it would be like right now van was like I'm I'm the ice man. It's like what? It's just I've been writing JD faces tweet. No, it worked on me when I was a kid though. Oh, I didn't care at all when I was a kid. This is also you guys got to understand this is an era where I we didn't really pay that much to. Yeah. No, man. No, this like Tango and cash get set up in two scenes. They put it all together. They go to jail like whole trial happens. They go to jail and like we're just rocking and rolling. Yeah. I mean tell me the movie's about let's I mean, I was a sophomore in college and 40 hours is my favorite movie. Right. So you were and they do another 40 hours and it's like Kio is the ice man. I'm like, no. You fuck now with when I watched the first movie, he's helping Jack with Reggie and why would he help him if he was the ice man? Why would he help him in any way share maybe one of the scenes that got cut is is the ice man's late arriving like it's only after 48 hours that he becomes the ice man, you know, no, but that's not true because Reggie's like, remember that money we took 4,000 and took that out the ice man, the guy who bought your car. So that makes you the dumbest month of fucker and like that's so ice man had to be going and like, thank you. But is this red is this Eddie Murphy's idea if he does the story. Yeah. But maybe it made sense with the extra 45 everything. I think that it's more of a movie movie like in terms of the plot making sense and all of that stuff with the extra time in it, but it probably is lesser honestly. Yeah, it probably this movie. I don't know. This movie might be heat. We'll never know. This movie I'm like a man move. Well, you joke. But we haven't like said why we like this movie. Yeah. This movie is still a Walter Hill movie shop by Matthew Lee and Eddie just about to go to that. Fucking awesome movie is such a great man. It's got it's still well done. Banger James Horner's score. I haven't like oddly well directed real sense of tension and danger in these scenes. Great villains. Yeah. Great villains. Yeah. Totally fucking crazy guys that you are actually scared of that represent danger whenever they're around. Yeah. And it moves so quickly. I don't know how it would if it would move that same way if we had more time with all of these characters. Yeah. It's that the opening scene. It feels like it's like a fucking Oscar when I have that category coming up. It's really good. Walter Hill. This was his last. After this, he had trespass Geronimo Wild Bill last man standing CR and I trespass Geronimo and Wild Bill all have things to recommend about I like those movies. Well, I'm just saying none of them did well. Yeah, trespass. I really like. Yeah. A trespass. A treasure hunt in the hood. How have they not done that again? Trespass. I love that movie. It bombed. It did. Not in my high school. It's funny. We're going to enjoy it in your high school. Yeah, but like trespass was like the idea of trespass. We were like, this is the best idea we've ever loved. Loved trespass. I went and found the 1990 premiere magazines to see if they did another 40 hours than they only had a summer movie preview and they were doing predictions and they called Walter Walter over the hill. That's what he got in another 40 hours. Fuck that. CR and I met him the Rennie man screening. He was sitting right behind us and we were probably like 20 percent too excited. We were like, and then we did this. Yeah. Remember the warriors? I was like, Mr. Hill, if you spend the stream prejudice. Yeah, I think he was a flatter. Yeah, sure. Yeah. But yeah, so he did warriors in 40 hours. After that, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't. You come up with those too. What? What? He also did long riders, Southern Comfort. I mean, he's got so many good movies. Stan is the test of time as much as any movie man. We're bringing that back because when we did it, the first time in the rewatch most, we didn't have a lot of the categories, the reward. And then Shade didn't really like it. That was one of the only times I forgot to make sure. How could that be possible? Shade was like fine with it. I thought he loved it for some reason. And then he was kind of like the most shade serrano-coded movie, maybe ever. I was stunned. I just assumed that he loved it. And he was like lukewarm on it. So CR and I had to carry it. Shade got to carry Shade. We talked to him into it by the end of the pod. I think he enjoyed our enthusiasm. For sure. What a great movie. It's just like amazing. Talk about what did I say? It was 89 minutes. The rare sub 90. I mean, it might be for batting average, slash advanced metrics, pound for pound per minute. The greatest action movie ever. It's a piece of culture. They create entire universe. It becomes more. It's like a weird drugged out postmodern treatise on the crime written New York of the 1970s and gangs and all of that. It's like a beautifully fucked up dystopian novel almost. It is remarkable they did that in 90 minutes. It's also like we still in 2025, 2026 are like, oh, that's like the Warriors. That's so, like that's the Warriors. Like it's still a touch. You know what's amazing about the Warriors? They never fucked with it. Nobody was like we're remaking the Warriors. It was like they would have actually been riots in the street if they tried to remake that movie. It's like it's almost like remaking the Godfather or some of these movies. Nobody would ever have touched. Yeah. The Warriors is like that. And you would think that they would have remade that four times already, but stay the way. A bunch of that guys in this movies, we mentioned Brian James. Kevin Taggy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like from the Christmas adventurers and pants. On the double doose needed some help. Yeah. Yeah. He was a good. He needed to find the best cooler in the South. He was a good guy in that one, but he's got such a smirky fucked up face that when you see him in other shit, you're like, there's the God. It's funny because he was in emergency, which was one of my first favorite TV shows in the 70s. And he was just like a Noah Wiley type of 70s. Good guy. Should we address the fact that Neil Fisher emailed our email inbox to explain the last shot of Roadhouse to us? Oh, yeah. What was that? I don't remember that. Big fan of the pod. Been listening since the beginning. Loved the mail bag episode. And when I heard you mentioned Roadhouse and you looking for an answer, a question to a question. My ears perked up. I'm a filmmaker and author from Chicago. My first book was released in 2021. It was about Swazie. While writing it, I was in contact with a bunch of Swazie collaborators like his Lisa, is we know Lisa. And I became with Roadhouse alums, Marshall Teague. Yeah. And director Rowdy Harrington. I asked Rowdy if the skinny dipping scene was shot to be used in the middle of the movie since Cody is there or if it's something else. The blind guy. Rowdy says that always was meant to be the end of the movie. And he loves the final song when the night comes falling from the sky. I got this mail back question about how the blind guy was just in the skinny dipping scene. And it was like, did they skinny dip in front of cause they couldn't see. He couldn't see anything. But it's like a little Easter egg. Have we? There's one more that guy we got to talk about. Okay. Before Andrew Diboff who plays Gaines' brother. Yeah. Also the bad guy and toy soldiers. What a movie we did a couple years ago on the rewatch was being caught brand. And that's waiting for him. Wait, no, no, no, no, no. He also was wasn't he in. Okay. So we're talking about the guy with the logger here in the carry. Yeah. Like a low down dirty shame. Oh, remember a low down early 90s run for him. Low down dirty shame. He plays, I remember he says, uh, he's trying to get under Shane's, Shane's uh, skin, about the beautiful top tier gorgeous, uh, Sally Whitfield. Um, oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Shout out to Andre, man. But like he's, he's talking about it and he looks at Shane. He goes, yes. You know, she'd love to fuck. So he says, he goes, 'cause he's trying to get under his skin because that's his girl. Yeah. And he's like, he's going, I was like, yes, it was, it wasn't that she loved to fuck. And I was like, God damn. Tell somebody your ex, hang out. I'm with your girl now. Just let you know she's loved to fuck. It's a scene in low down dirty shame. He's in the movie. Horrible backscale, the century club for Craig, 100 minutes is, uh, that's the curve, one way or the other. We're at 95 minutes here. Craig, we're a plus five. I know plus five. Like, he could have like a 140 minute movie. He was psyched for the other. He could have given me five more minutes or something like that. But this is right in the sweet spot. Cut. Necessarily. 50 million dollar budget made 153.5 million Rodgerie, but two stars. Yeah. I can't, I can't, I can't fight back on this. Yeah. He said, you know how sometimes in a dream, you'll see these familiar scenes and faces floating in and out of focus and you're not sure they'll connect another 48 hours is a movie that feels the same way brought out lines, villains cops, all basic movie stereotypes. What exactly is happening here? If it does nothing else, another 48 hours reminds us that Murphy is a big genuine talent. Now it's time for him to make a good movie. God damn. He challenged him. I mean, I would, I would say he does boring. He was a great movie. Yeah. Uh, watch party out of all the possible scenarios. Five o'clocker for me. It's a, it's maybe, it's maybe a top five, five o'clocker. Yeah. It's exactly what you would want. You would go. Perfect. Back in the day, maybe you get three trailers. So say five o'clock movie starts around five, 15, five, 20. You're home and time for dinner. Home for dinner. Yeah. It's maybe a four, 55 start movie kicks in or five, oh, eight, you get out. You're out of there early enough for young bullsimmons to take you out and tell you all the problems with iceman continuity. You know, that would have happened. I would have been like, can we go get a Dunkin Donuts? I got to explain how I've done this key. Why didn't work for me? Yeah. Can we get an ice coffee? Uh, most remarkable scene. I, my first one is until 26 minutes into the movie. You want to go with the opening? I like the opening. I like the opening. I just have so many questions about it. Like who goes to that bar? Like who, who frequents that bar in the middle of desert nowhere for bikers or something? Where is it? Is there a desert in, where do you think that? Is there a desert in northern California? I mean, probably, but not super close to San Francisco. I mean, you could be up heading towards Napa, I suppose. With like those types of doing it. That's what they were. Where's Lampak or where's like some of the, I don't know. Okay. It's, it's almost like a fever dream. That scene that poor bartender, poor bartender gets killed two cops. Well, you're into the movie five minutes, two cops gone, uh, old timer bartender out of here old timer bartender probably bought proof vests to work every day. I would say, I bet he would, you know, can he go two days without getting more than one customer? Sometimes like that, that's a pretty far far far bar. Yeah, especially I'm guessing it wasn't like $15 for Jack and Coke. No, it probably wasn't a couple bucks. Jack gets attacked by the bikers and then Reggie's bus gets attacked simultaneously. That's also fantastic actions. It's really, this is 26 minutes in this movie. All of a sudden takes off. We get tear Reggie, sing James Brown. I wrote this down. This has happened a few times of movies, most famously and fast for the end. Prison transport bus is getting attacked. Yeah. Yes. Prison transport. I always like it. Whenever anyone carrying prisoners under attack, I'm trying to communicate with the prison transport bus like in Rebel Ridge. Oh, Rebel Ridge, a good one. Yeah. Next to his cousin. He's like, stay up. I'm trying to think when that hasn't worked. And then if you're the prisoner and you're being transported in real life, deep down, you're probably hoping, wait, does this not happen in both US marshals and the fugitive as well? No, the plane crash. US Marshall's plane crash. Yeah. The fugitive is the, is the, just a straight bus crash. Yes. Bus crash. Yeah. Yeah. It's not attacked. That's for as an intentional attack. Right. To free Vin Diesel. I expand on this and say that anytime the prison transport mechanism is in peril, it's good scene. Yeah. Also, the same guy is driving the bus in every scene no matter what movie it is. It's like the little bit of a fat guy. Looks like he's from Chicago and he's got a mustache. It would have been cool if that guy, if there was more of a budget, if shot collar had more of a budget for a prison transport, if we could have got a transport going. Yeah. Shot collar. Shot collar. Shot collar. So I had never seen shot collar, right? Until we did rewatch. Well, I can't remember. I'd badger you to see it. So like, I'm looking at that. And I'm just not going to watch Jamie Lannister as a hard ass. I'm just not looking at it. I'm not going to watch it. Am I looking at that? And then I watch shot collar. And what the fuck, man? Shot collar is way better than it had any business. Yeah. It's kind of what I wanted from Rip. The rip. Yeah. So for it to be a little, well, shot collar is way smarter than the rip is. The rip is a fucking dumb movie. It's a, it's good. All right. That's a stupid movie, bro. Why? It's just like, come on, bro. Like the, even them, that's a, it's a five cent twist at the end of the movie. It's like that I enjoyed the rip. I really didn't enjoy the rip. Yeah. But I said that I enjoyed the rip. I did. Right. It was worth the time. My review to CR was that the rip probably needed worse actors. It probably should, it probably should have had the denim thieves level actor. Yeah. In that movie. Then you would have felt like, Hey, I got more than I bargained for. But if you're looking at the two motherfuckers from Goodwill hunting, you're expecting slightly. I'm expecting heat when I see those guys and it was not heat, right? It was more in the debt really well done, denim thieves camp. But shot collar, when I was watching it, that seemed like some made for cable type shit. Now, the movie took itself very seriously. I didn't see what was coming at the end. It's like a legitimately good movie. I think he still is probably a miscast. You probably could have got people to take that movie more seriously if you did cast somebody else in the lead. But disagree. Sick. I thought he was awesome. I think you just took too much Jamie Lannister baggage into it. I probably saw. I didn't say it was a bad movie when I'm saying is to get more people into that film. If it had been somebody different, I just think they botched the release. I didn't even see it for three years. I didn't even know it was out. Yeah. Let's write a movie where prison transport bus gets attacked. I don't know what happens the rest of the movie. But that's just how it starts. Oh, I can tell you something. How about this? This will get made. So get made ranger films. Bring your films. Prison transport bus gets attacked by fucking vampires. Okay. This movie gets made vampires. They're fucking they've woken up from their slumber. They're hungry, dust before transport, dust before transfer. There. These are hungry vamps. They're on the fucking craze in on this. So prison bus. They smell it. But they don't realize that they fuck with the wrong bus, baby. These guys can handle themselves telling you. Could we do? I wonder why he didn't bring like my shit. Well, I'm still thinking about it. I need a great prison transporter. Could it be like any bus? No, like a gray hound? No, like the sixers are taking a bus from affiliated MSG. The bus is under attack. Oh, tyrie smacks. He has to save the day. Yeah. And he goes down at the first time. No, and B becomes a vampire and get to him. Yeah. And you know how we know that the vampires have gotten in beat because all of the sudden he's playing. He's playing. He's not getting hurt. Yeah. He's moving. He's moving around. But there's just a vampire walk around and sketchers. Yeah. I noticed you haven't really commented on his revival. Is it a revival? I think he's playing quite well. Okay. He wants Bill gets to take. He doesn't have to go back on. Yeah. Look at how long he's been playing. Well, like three weeks. Yeah. Okay. Time. The Celtics have been good. Great. Next scene, Reggie and Jack hit the hospital into Reggie's car blowing up, which includes Eddie just ripping off lines. Like, oh great. I get to spend my first day out with Arthur. Goddamn red neck. Fucking hilarious. Broke. But shout out. Was it a bus that flips 17 times? That's the trailer. That was that's the trailer. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my god. Is this what he goes? That's it. I'm calling to my fucking homies. I'm getting alone. This is the best movie you've ever seen. And then when he's calling the different people for the money. And they're like, no, I was there when you beat the bitch up. He's like, yeah. You become a Christian. That was funny. I was there when you beat the bitch up. All of this stuff, like talking about how bad the movie is. Maybe it's nostalgia. The bar, the bus, the all of this stuff is moving real quick. And it's hard not to be entertained. Yeah. He told me the cops ain't shit. And you just put seas that I like. And y'all said he's gonna park his car. And he don't care if it's a no parking zone. Reggie explains the iceman of Jack. The iceman bought your house, which makes you probably the dumbest motherfucker law enforcement. I also like the line. He makes - Yeah, and then 70, that's the same thing. seven years of prison. You remember every story about pussy you ever heard. Um, but they say we're cooking. It's starting to feel like 48 hours again. Uh, so like Reggie spots a pickpocket. I love anytime somebody says she's dancing at a bird cage up in North Beach. I know I'm in the right movie. That sounds great. Uh, I thought the band was just terrible. Um, we get a bar fight and we get him shooting somebody and asking if anyone else wants to limp. You like that scene? We love it. I mean, all of this stuff is from the trailer. Like that. Yeah. Yeah. The trailer itself. I remember as a kid was everywhere. A lot of promotion for this movie. This was like a big one, right? trailer goes through all this and shows everything that's happened to him. And then it shows him shooting the gun like this. Almost the same way he did. Yeah. Yeah. Like shooting the gun like that. It's like hilarious. Uh, Chinatown Hotel shootout. Hey, at the King My first of all, some good stunts in this. Some great stunts in that. That is an, that's an intense, desperate shootout. The hotel shootout is from a different movie. That's not normally the type of shit that you get. It's the same. All the stuff with Charium and Hickhawks is from. It's from the first one. It's from the other version of the first. Yeah. Cause he think about him. I fucking killed you. That guy ain't trying to be funny. That's like a serious fucking. He's pissed the fuck off. Have you ever wanted to jump into a garbage dumpster? Yeah. And then the big garbage bags like they do in these movies. I feel like in real life, you would do it and you just get stabbed by a broken one bottle and die. It's like no way you survive it. Then it gets so easy. I know. This cushy fall. But, but the thing that I'm jumping into a Samsung TV. I don't think about getting that. I think about falling on somebody's old steak or some old gumball they threw out or being in the middle. Yeah. So many bad things are in the garbage dumpster. I just think you never in a movie. Hollywood's in crisis because you know there was like a day to a week of meetings about what should cherry fall on to when we finally kill him. Or no, the, the, the, the, is a cherry or is it the ice made who falls into the water bottles? No, that's cherry. Cherry. And it's like, he's going to go out the window, but she, what should he hit him? What should he fall on? And they probably were like, what would look fucking amazing? That would have cost 10 million dollars now. Yeah. You throw a guy out of a window. That's a real dude. He's like fully his stunt man. Yeah. This movie is crazy with the sense, we didn't even talk about the guy that for nothing scene, like a nothing scene, this gets torched. Son of a, I'm getting to that. Okay. Nothing seen. It's a whole set of him being set torched. Son of a, for no reason. What about the stunt going through the movie screen and the motorcycles landing perfectly? Yeah. Right between the aisles. Right. But that's not CGI. I don't know how they did that. Thank you. If you're a tiny bit over to the left that's, you're just hitting a chair. Are you aware that in 1969, the United States was able to successfully put men on a spacecraft and then get them to the moon? He also might be a little bit dubious about whether that happened. He might think that Stanley Kubrick did that in the back lot of paramount. What is that? I stand with Danny Torrance, this spaceship sweatshirt. The, I really like Bernie Casey in the movie, but I like when they go to visit him and he goes, you repay your debt to me and punches the glass. When I was a kid that used to scare me, he's in a different movie. Bernie Casey is the stuff that got cut out or just an explanation of that. Is he that Judd Nelson, you're in a different movie, but I'm really enjoying it. Yeah. Bernie Casey's in shot collar. He's not another for that. He's over here. He hates Reggie. Reggie's so scared of him. And then when he punches his whole, the, the punches a hole through the fucking glass, that scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. By the way, Bernie Casey, like pretty atypical role for him. Like this was, he's running Lambda Lambda and Revenge of Nurse and point the stuff. He was usually the good guy. He wasn't like the bad guy around this time or a little bit after this. I'm going to get you sucker comes out. Yeah. The pretty Casey ever played Felix later in any bond movies. I always stopped Bernie Casey. It was really good. He's the man. Anything he was in. But I always, I like a plus performer, whatever he was in. And then we had the club North Beach final shoot at the last one, Ridiculous Iceman reveal. We get to see a hostage taking in a stripper cage elevator. Signed me up. You sent me up and you were getting too close Jack. I like when people are trying to kill each other, but they're having like a conversation. He sent me up CR Iceman's got. So I mean, you were losing control of the ringer. That's like hiding. That's the Mr. Mrs. Smith where you're arguing while shooting each other. Yeah, um, Gantz's brother falls to his death on a water bottle truck and then Jack the, the twist. He shoots Reggie to get to kill. So he shoots Reggie with, I think of 44 Magnum. Reggie shit is fucked up. And Reggie's, yeah, Reggie's not. He's losing his arm, losing a ton of blood instantaneously. I don't know why they didn't. I thought they were setting him up to have him in a vest. They mentioned it halfway through the movie. Jack has a vest. He gets shot at times of the vest. I thought, Oh, this was a plan. They can conquer where he needs to be shot. He can be shot because he has a vest on and he's not in one. Yeah. I don't want to go all like, you know, lioness, ballistics, we can, we should have a whole park called ballistics where we talk about the guns in these, in these fucking movies. You get shot from that range with that gun. Your shit is fucked up. Yeah. Like that's the, you need to be in the hospital table on an hour. Yeah. And the 80s were a big gun. Fucking, I mean, the Gantz is carrying a desert eagle in this, right? Yeah. So they, they were a big caliber gun decade before you. Jesus, I didn't realize American sniper was there. I am serious. What? It would have been funny, though, if he'd shot him, where he shot him, and he goes, there goes college football. Oh, man. What do you got from us for watchables here? Well, I'll just do a shout out to the motocross scene because it is such unnecessary use of burning a stuntman near the death. And I also love Brent Jennings in this movie as, as bros. But it really, there's no real reason to have that scene in the movie. But it is awesome that they're just like, what I need is a motocross track, 25 experienced motocross bike riders. Then we're going to have a stuntman get lit on fire with a shootout. And all the motorcycles need to misknit, guilty by an itch. A little bit. Yeah. But my favorite scene is probably the, that let Eddie Murphy cook the pay. And it's Eddie Murphy just cook. Yeah. I agree. The pay phone scene is my favorite scene. Like it's the one that I most get excited to watch. I will say to your point about Brent Jennings in this, an underrated scene is when the two guys confront him in the room and they shoot his ear. Like, oh, Malcolm. Yeah. Not Malcolm. Yeah. Tyrone. Yeah. Tyrant Jennings in the movie, right? Yeah. Yeah. When they shoot his ear. Like that scene, once again, and he starts laughing. I think you're laughing. It's laugh. It's a, it's like from a horror movie. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's not the way it's shot is really. Yeah. They, it's like scary camera stuff. Yeah. It's, you start to see like how insane he really is because he gets shot in the ear. Then still delivers to them the message that he needs to so they can finish their job. Then they finish it. It's like when Trump got shot in the air. Okay. Now, I know you're on Netflix now, but yeah. That didn't make sense. I don't know what the correlation is for the paramount, maybe, but what's the most 1990 thing about this movie, C.R. I think unironically ordering brusquies and then having those beers be Miller genuine draft bottles. You know, I recently tried Miller genuine draft for the first time. That's not a great beer. Yeah. And then also just the ice man using an oozey. What do you drink? What kind of beer do you drink? Oh, he drinks Bicolab Ultra. Yeah. Sure. Light beer. I love Miller light course light. Okay. Yeah. Oh, a real American. Sure. There you go. You know, M.G.D. is not really round anymore. It's, it's not, it's certainly not around in LA. I do not see M.G.D. in LA. In case more like malt liquor. You know, these are the beers of my home. When I came out here, all the whites I knew that it was Paps Blue Ribbon. It was like, give me a Madello. Give me a San Angeles IPA or whatever. Like, when I'm from the ones that I grew up with, give me a Miller light, give me a course. These are the Americans I know. I'll hear things change. I don't even know who the Miller light people at the ringer. Who are they? Check this. Chang loves Miller light. Oh, that makes sense. That tracks. I drink Bicolab Ultra. I got it. We got it. Yeah. It's refreshing and something 90 calories. My most thankful to anything about this movie is just the stage of Eddie's career. He's kind of fat in this movie for him. Yeah, a little bit. He talks about like he won't, he hates watching this movie because he thinks he's fat in it. He's not here. He's starting to go a little bit. He just looks older and like, he looks pretty good though. Like outside of that big suit. Yeah. Where it's like, man, I can look. He looks handsome and in shape. Yes. You know, no, but if you watch the first movie, that suit is like tight on him. Man, my mama, when we watched this movie, she loved them. She would not stop talking about how much weight Eddie Murphy had gained. That's one of the things I remember. You really feel it in the suit. It's almost like a David Burns suit on him. But when I watch the gin, though, like, the suit is big. The suit is big for him. Yeah. It takes the best. Oh, hold on. I got to do my most 90s. But what is it? I was a convertibles in movies. I can think of so many movies where people driving around in convertibles. [BLANK_AUDIO] K9 people driving around in convertibles having conversations in the open air in movies. I was I looked it up Less convertibles in movies because less convertibles period. I know the convertible was phased out in the 90s I also wonder whether or not convertibles a better shot, you know, like you get like more of whatever even if it's a if it's a screen background Cinematically, you know what the problem is fucking scheme cancer That's killed convertibles. Did you didn't you have a convertible? Yeah, I had one for 25 years. I always had a convertible give it up guess what? No, I got a big belly bone on my forehead and that was it. I never had a convertible again after that No, I think I think people just would bake in the sun and convertible and not think twice about it And now the people are a little more sun careful. You're really free of generation You're careful about the sun just more careful about the sun It is a thing, you know, people put on sunscreen every morning. I don't do that But people that's a thing you're it's recommended for out here. Yes, like a part of your daily morning routine As you play sunscreen back in the 90s just put that top down fucking bake in the sun from red Yeah, the M GD then G days better times go to a stripped right with a stripper cage. Yeah Watch the strip stripper cage elevator going up and down to the days. That's what they were watching What sage the best what do you got CR ballbusting cop talk mm-hmm now Jack a cop is a guy and sometimes a guy steps on his dick This guy was obsessed with stepping on dick. Yeah, he doesn't think you stepped on your dick He said it three thousand. Yeah, I just love all the all the ball ballbusting that happens in the precinct And do it the same way anymore with precincts. We just lost the narrative. Yeah These chaotic precincts with a lot of sarcasm and a lot of insulting like doesn't exist anymore. We'll need each other's balls Yeah, we don't have ballbusting work from home killed precincts. I do Don't think of it. We know what we need at the ranger than care about some zoom calls You know what we need at the ranger we need a police captain at the ranger Just somebody who walks in here Get your mother fucking ass in my office. Yeah, we need to like our guy got cut out of this movie frank when Craig yeah The who was the yellow the sergeant yelling at them in the first movie Just out right I always need that guy in a if I'm gonna be in the company Because he's just inspector Todd, but in San Francisco. Yeah What do you have for what stage the best the animus between rule and metropolitan Americans I hear a lot of talking his hillbillies red necks all this stuff. Yeah, we had it then we have it now. We can't get on the same page It's tough I have uh Oh also an internal affairs internal affairs in the eighties scumbags. Yeah, hey, yeah, they fucking hated IA hated IA every single movie IA scumbags But now I love I love evil internal affairs guys or seemingly evil, but they're really doing their job And honestly like villainous biker gangs tell me when that doesn't work in a movie. It's good. These guys are just bad guys thing up bikes They saw they they villainous bad biker gangs kind of culturally expired But then I feel like sons of anarchy and task. Yeah, in a very different way though. Right I also had a fun action movie sequel gimmick is the dead guy's brother coming of exact revenge. It's fine by me Fine by me if a bus can flip and a pro with prisoners seem better And then uh any movie that has an exchange like this We're looking for a whore that works here angel don't work here anymore. She's dancing up in North Beach I'm probably in the right theater I meant to come see the new Colleen Hoover, but it turns out I'm right where I need to be You got to understand me. This isn't hamnet. I'm gonna close Koi Zhao Denet these Benihana word for scene stealing location and the Cape Cuddy pursuit of happiness where for best needle drop I'm giving to the bird cage, which was that strip club at the end which I thought was a really good bar scene You could also talk me into the first the same I got Sneaky sneaky candidate here is the king my hotel for me Oh, yeah, oh single room occupancy, you know, single lives of occupancy or our our per rental Um Great shot corridor where most cinematic shot what do you got here? There's a bunch uh Walter Hill is a G I had there's a great shot of them coming up The Hill and jacks caddy when they're pulling up to at a Reggie's car for the first time before it explodes That's why there's like for some reason there's like spotlights going at the bottom of the hill in San Francisco San Francisco is just such a beautiful cinematic city. Anyway, um as we will discuss in zodiac But this that was just a great shot There's a neat little shot when I think it's Reggie's getting out of jail To where they stop to talk and he shoots it from like behind bars. Yeah, you're at a low angle where it makes them look like they're having a conversation in prison Good shot. I had that one. I also really like the slomo Reggie getting shot And kio kind of realizing what's happening in slow motion as you see is Reggie sinking down and then turning back the jack It's just like good slow mo. Yeah very rarely do we have good slomo Uh, here's a new award The door flors door award for how much did that hurt? named after Marvin Dwarfler and midnight run Getting a basketball whipped in your face like that from close range, which hurts. He does them Broken and a nose. Yeah, you fucked. So might add them in the chin I just thought there's blood. Yes. Um, I think that would really hurt multi gets off pretty easy in this movie compared to what happened in the first one All I want to know is when he bleeding out of every orifice like by the end of that movie and this one he's just kind of like uh Yeah, uh, we'll take a break and then Sierra's got a flex All right, see our flex category. What do you got? I'm gonna do a double here But it's the same scene. It's the same. So I hope it's okay with you The Sean fantasy award for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm For essentially redoing the opening of once upon a time in the west With the bikers arriving at the bar in the beginning So spaghetti western opening and then the rich rick cacetti award Meet award read the whole thing please the rick cacetti guard meet award for most memorable death by a security guard or other Bystander from the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him Or her for the female cop that gets desert eagle In the heart. Yeah, and gets blown through a window And it's just like all right That's a great new word. I love who cops down. What about the poor bastard? Who's just coming out of his hotel room. Yeah. Yeah, it takes He's just getting a job. Yeah, what kind of yeah, he's in there. What a lady. Look how the rack is going on out here And then boom boom boom. He's dead. There's a great one. That was a mouthful. Sorry about that. Yeah I'm a cacetti or cacetti Okay, Rick. Let us know I'm gonna add here the Hans Gruber scale villain ranking Cherry Gants. What do you think five and a half six? I like him. Do we need more comedy from him? What was he missing? I just a little one known. I don't mean to dominate for here, but this this is my how to take oh do it now We got to get back to guys like cherry gants It was a deeply satisfying experience to watch it just a truly psychopathic bad guy Now, I don't have to worry about his childhood or what he really wants in life or who hurt him He's like you killed my brother. I'm killing mad cops until I get to you. He was an awesome bad guy So you go hi, you just sounds like you got like eight. Yeah, I love cherry So angry. I thought I killed you. Like so angry. He wanted him fucking I told you I killed you big. Oh my god. Damn, it's like an opera. We're really talking ourselves into this movie. Yeah Was there a better title for this movie? Do we like another 48 hours as a title? Uh another 48 hours colon Cherry's revenge. Oh I love a colon. How about 48 hours too? Well, I mean another makes more sense than that. How about 48 more hours? Well, if they knew that they were going to take the 48 hours part out of the movie, I would have just called it You know jack and Reggie jack and Reggie 48 hours too Reggie gets out Yeah, that works Which is girlfriend award week link of the film Um the plants and coherent and we covered all the reasons why I stored jack can't find the iceman for years But never suspects other cops. Jack is such a fucking idiot guy. She's funny. You got in jail. You got this the entire time Nobody asks guys. Jack is dumb. Yeah. Okay. Jack is dumb right every time I get close to iceman And Reggie realizes it's to Reggie's like hey Jack The iceman is a cop. I couldn't be a cop. Reggie like If you know you did ask like it's definitely a cop. You're stupid as fun. Reggie's like 29 and he's been in jail for 10 years And he figures it out in a house. Yeah, it takes him a day to figure it out. Also, why wouldn't they just kill jack It's like jack's getting close. Hey, how about this? Let's just shoot him in the head tomorrow. Great. Don't kill everybody else. Kill him Would you have for a week link? Um, I had the birdie Casey Tisha Campbell part just felt like it was stapled on at the end What about her Tisha Campbell is one of I have this argument about Tisha Campbell. Oh boy I think Tisha Campbell is one of the most important performers in black cultural history Yeah, she she she had a lovely lovely episode of the lowdown recently see Tisha Campbell has been so consistent over the decade Okay, you can pop on a little shopper horse. Look at that, Teach Campbell. Martin, throughout the '90s. - Boomerang. - How's party? - Boomerang. If you think about these fundamental parts of black cultural film stuff, she's there, pops up again, my wife and kids. Alone out, Teach Campbell has had a fantastic, amazing career. We don't appreciate her enough. - I just met randomly in "Dangering" this woman at "Dad David" for no reason. - He's taking hostage. - Yeah, I get that. - And also, like, doesn't. Cherry kind of puts that one together pretty fast. - Mm-hmm. - Did you have a week link or no? - The story's the weekly. Well, you know what I hate, though? There's one thing that hates that I hate in the movie. So, 'cause I know people. And I know people that work at places. Like, Angel? - Yeah. - Like, I know people that work at places, right? - You know, Angel North Beach? - I have known a lot of angels in the hood. - You know, that's not a different North Beach. - Except they're North Beach, Danson. - He comes up to her, he goes. He's $75,000. She goes, if it comes from him, it's probably got blood on it, I don't want it. That's not happening. - Taking it? - That's not happening, man. $75,000, hey man, how's my dad doing? I appreciate it. Give me the motherfucking money. Get out the goddamn store. Like, every time I see something like that, that's not, I know the grandmamas, the aunties, the baby mamas, all of that. The 75,000 is being taken. - Well, it saves the worst. - I have a special, what the hell were they thinking? Peace for this, where Jack goes to see Reggie and Jail who's playing basketball and the scene's not good. How is that not a great scene? That's your been the best scene in the movie? They haven't seen each other in five years. - What's age the worst is the gap between the two movies. This movie needed to come out in '87, or eight, or something, or '85. - Yeah, I think that's fair. Why have them sing Roxanne again? They just do, there's a couple of things they do in this movie, it's like, dude. - It's almost a, why would somebody in the set stop this or- - Why is he singing when Dump's Car Roxanne again? Here, he did that. - Do you think this is a movie that they made, and they were trying to make a movie where you didn't have to see the first one? And he's such a big star now, that he's got such an expand. - Yeah, but it wasn't like, it was like, I'm asking, like, you 48 hours everyone had seen it. - It's like 48 hours was Rushmore. - I know, but you see this movie at this particular time. - I see it was lazy. - I've seen there being lazy. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Partridge over acting where it clearly goes to the hotel clerk in the Chinatown Hotel. She doused it up for two minutes. She goes screaming. - I would also go for Cherry when he sees the Jack is dead. - He's going crazy. - Ben, you have a flex. All right, another list. The, another 48 hours award for Best Black Guy, White Guy, Action Comedy Duo. - Okay. - So we're starting at number five, Running Scared. That's a guy putting it in there. I think this movie is criminally underrated. People don't tell you anything. - We didn't know where you were actually watching. Number four, 48 hours, Reggie and Jack. These are just Duo's. - I would have that one, but go. - You'd have that one, yeah. There's only one one. - Okay. - There's only, there's a clear one. Number three, I slid this one in here. I don't know if I can actually use it. I'm going Vincent Jules from Pulp Fix and Counts. - You can use it. - Counting it. - The Pulp Fix, a little bit of a stretch. - No, not a stretch for me. - Okay. - Number two, this is not an action, but this is a comedy. And this is one of the top White Guy, Black Guy, Duo's and a comedy movie ever. And this is Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson, Sydney Dean and Billy and White Man, can't you? - Okay. - Okay. - This is number two. Number one is so fucking easy for the hours. - No, it's Emertone Riggs, man. - It's Mertone Riggs. The fucking over 48 hours. Why fucking mail did you do it? It's like, I can't believe that he did it. A whole child who would mail a mail through it away, let the weapon Riggs and Mertone by far, maybe the best Black Guy, White Guy, Duo ever and anything. - But the movie gets made because of 48 hours. - What difference does it mean? - It says the prototype. - Do you think Kobe's better than Emertone? - G-wiles, I never said that. - I do think MJ's better than Dr. J. - Kobe's better than Emertone. J. - Well, you think Kobe's better than Emertone? That's some of you who I said that. - If you put like three, - No. - Three past blue ribbons in it. - I don't think that's a problem. - Except that North Beach. J though. I think 48 hours is Dr. J and lethal weapon. - That's fair, George. - I'll accept the argument I disagree, but it's fair. - So you really don't think that Riggs and Mertone are number one. If you're gonna put it like that, I see it. If you're gonna make the 48 hours is Dr. J. - Do we do a weapon too yet for rewals? - Yes. - We have them. - We haven't done three. - There are a couple of horrible mentions. Django, Min and Black, a personal one for me that nobody cares about the last boy scout. And then we done the last boy scout. - We care about last boy scout. - Yeah, we totally care about last. I love the last boy scout. And then one that no one ever brings up is Money Talks. I really feel like in Money Talks, Chris Tucker and Charlie Sheen have fantastic chemistry. It was a really good movie to me. - I like it. - It's a good list. So you wouldn't put Men and Black in there. - Men and Black didn't make out. - Trying to think of what to take out for Men and Black. - I wouldn't put Men and Black in there either. Men and Black maybe bump out running scared, but I just think running scared is like a- - Were you a Richard prior to Gene Walder guy? - I was as a kid, but I don't think those movies have held up great. - Yeah. - Silver streaks, okay. I would have added Crockett and Tubbs to that. And then I would have been able to move into Confair on Jamie Foxx, which arguably could have been number two. - If you're talking about overall duos, Crockett and Tubbs is way up there. This was a movie thing. If you talk about overall duos, Crockett and Tubbs, it's certainly the best on TV. - I'm a theme for Mejitos. (laughing) It's a good list. - Good list. Appreciate you guys. - To see our thanks, Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word. He already did his, what do you got van? - No hot takes. - I have one. - What's it? - This is my number one release the cut movie. - Yeah. - Ah, see. - Release the Walter Cut. - This is it. What's your number one? Release the cut movie, the cut that we've never seen. Well, it got released. - The Snyder Cut? - Snyder Cut was my number one. - So you don't have a number one now? - Ah, now I have a number one. I think of all of them. I've kind of seen them light. But the number one was I wanted to see what Zach would've done. - Make us a promise right now. When you know where the finish line is for you, you're like, I think it's going to, I think I got a couple more years left. About 18 months out. - Where am I going? - I'm just, just, make me a promise. - You're on your side. - You use the platform you have to get the another 48 hours. - Why can't I do it now? - Well, I don't know. I have to juice. - Oh, man. - What is that? You're in the juice. - Wow. Chris, what the fuck are we doing here? - No, I ain't saying what he's doing. He's telling me a long time. - I tell you something now. You're, I know you've heard about this. We're in the midst of the ReApex. - Of Bill? - Yeah, you ever heard of this? - Prove it then. - ReApex, okay. - Oh, I know it was an impact album. - Bill Simmons should be able to get the Walter Hill cut of it. - The ReApex Bill. - ReApex Bill. - ReApex Bill can get-- - Chris just told me about this. - Craig, Craig, you heard about the ReApex? - I've heard you just hear from the news. - Paul Walter Hill and be like, name your price. - This is Brady in his late 30s. That's what you're running right now. - This is it, the last 30s. - Which Brady, like the 23 Brady? - Yeah. - The Malcolm Butler game through the Fowler's. - Yeah. - ReApex. - So the ReApex would have to include a release the cut. (laughing) - Are you getting it done? - My number two would be I as a wedge shirt. - Oh, sure. - Because I think that we have a lot of evidence that there might have been a different-- - A different-- - A different version of that movie before Kubrick died. And then God only knows what we ended up with. But I think that would be number two for me. What about anything else for you? - As far as director's cuts, I feel like more often than not now we get the cuts. - Yeah. It's funny, one of the ones I always wanted was 54. 'Cause I kind of liked that movie. But that, and it was supposedly like chopped to death like this movie. - Oh. - And then there's 54. - 54, the Ryan Flee movie. - My eyes. - My eyes. - My eyes. - It's on my eyes. - I'm about to-- (laughing) - You remember that? (laughing) - It's one of the funniest moments in a drama of all time. - This isn't a weird episode in the past. (laughing) - You don't remember that. - I do. - Get cocked. - Mike Myers. - For some reason I thought you were referring to the Roger Maris Mickey Mantle movie. (laughing) - That's 61. - Mike Myers freaks out and he comes on to what's his face? - He comes on the right. - He's counting the money. He's drunk. He's high. - Yeah. (laughing) - The whole, it was a drama. We saw it in Boston and the whole movie theater started laughing. - I got it. - It was like one of those. - It's pretty hard for me to turn down a studio 54 movie, though. - Well, that's why, so they do the director's cut. And if you can get on Amazon and there's like 12 more minutes and it supposedly ties together with the stuff, it's like a B-Minus. - I wish I'd never saw the director's cut. - The best director's cut I've ever seen is Kingdom of Heaven one. - Oh, well, that changes the entire movie. That makes the movie, the movie was already kind of fuck with it, but that makes the movie into a fucking time was epic when you watched the director's cut of it. - What a weird story, by the way. - How could something like that happen to Ridley Scott? - I know. - Well, I mean, it was to be fair, like a three hour and 10 minute movie. - Proof of life would be a good director's cut. Release the cut, too. - Well, we'd find out what happened with Russell Crowe McRyan. - Okay. - You're not even with me anymore, I'm proof of life. - I feel like Sean, it's like-- - No, it's like, oh, I gotta suck up the Sean. - You can't fucking say that. I was there with you on day one, stuff of legends. You know that I'm here with you. - You wouldn't want two extra scenes. - Of course I would. - Yeah. - Or were they shots? - No, I can't remember. - Oh, they were definitely shots. - Okay. - Those two extra scenes would explain the infidelity. do they happen on set? Well, they, no, that's why they cut them. They cut, okay, I don't know what's, I don't know this. So, you know, he saves her husband in the movie, right? Does this whole thing? But they, she, she says goodbye to her when they're about to save David Morse, the guy that she's married to. And they have this moment and they kiss and it's clear like other stuff has happened that they cut out. And then it's like this whole like love triangle, but we never saw the scene that led up to the love triangle. Yeah, there's like, no, everything got cut. All of a sudden, they have this tension. It's like, because on the set, allegedly, there was this, they started fair. That's the most enduring thing about the movies that David Caruso is the most enduring thing about the most enduring stuff. Allegiance, you know, fucking like they changed the public's perception of Meg Ryan after that. Every single week, I look at the just watch website to see if Kiss of Death is on a streamer yet. And the answer is always no, that's a crazy fucking movie. Casting what ifs don't really have any other than Frank McCray was in this and they come up, that's that guy word I can give you. You so you think the, you think Brent Jennings is not of that guy? I think Brent Jennings is that guy. I think Brian James is not of that guy. Brent Jennings, I have or the guy who plays Ben Cruz. Yeah, I don't even know what that guy's name. Yeah, he pops up a lot. Yeah, he's been in a bunch. I'm going Brent Jennings. Okay. Brent Jennings helped me in my career. Deon Waiterson. Really? One of my early successes at TMZ. Oh, got Brent Jennings on the, Brent Jennings on the street. I asked him about a kid in Arkansas. I don't know if you guys remember this story, but he was scoring too many touchdowns and they made him stop scoring touchdowns. He said, you can only score like five touchdowns in a game and then he had to drop. I asked Brent Jennings about it. He got excited. He knew all about the story. Where did you find him? He was like walking around Beverly Hills. I was like, hey, did you hear about this kid? They won't let him score any more touchdowns or else the team has to, it's called the Majre Hill rule, like based on Majre Hill, who had gone to Arkansas. This is big scandal. He knew all the body. He was excited to talk about it. Harvey was like, that kid's got it. Then he shot him in the air. Deon Waiters, the word Bernie Casey is the winner. Oh, I asked for the else. Who will have Kathy Haas for the bar stormers bartender? He's like, oh, you're going to tell me where I need to know or you're just going to bitch a little bit more. He's like, I'm going to bitch a little bit more. That's pretty good. I don't have Bernie Casey, but that's not bad. I can get you out there, Reggie. You will keep your word. I love him in this. He spoke like a Shakespearean, like, repay your debt to me. Yeah, with with dogs. I would, I would watch the directors cut five more scenes of them. Recast the couch director city. No, no, no, Walter Hill said just go non-negotiables. Craig Flex category. Book about medals. Malaydly best quote. I think there's some really good Eddie lines in this. I think he's very over the top angry. And then he balances that with some good like restrained anger. There's like a lot of talk about the wrongful conviction stuff. I think is good. There's a line in it where he says if shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes. Yeah, I thought that was a great quote. There's also a really good line where like he and Bernie Casey are getting into a fight. And they're like, what was that about? He's like old football bet. I like what he tells Jack to leave. He's like, we got to talk like people stuff. Yeah, it does. He is a lot of good. It's like secretly like pretty good advanced stats for Eddie in this. I know he's pretty good. And that's he. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Half as in research. So Reggie caused one of his friends in the movie in the guy's name is Willie Biggs. In the original 48 hours, that's what Reggie Hammond's name was going to be an Eddie asked them to change it to a different name because he thought it was like too intentionally black. Okay. So they sell it on Reggie Hammond, brought back Willie Biggs. So apparently there's some book called The Films of Eddie Murphy. And they have the original screenplay for this. What? And Jackson relationship with the female cop who later says she's wants to plan a gun at the racetrack to clear his name. And then there's some other stuff but that you can find out what they had in the original screenplay. I do not fuck those in the research. Apex Mountain, Eddie, no, no T. Getting close. Getting close to the no T. No T. Reapex. Yeah, the reapex. Brian James. Probably all that much to his chagrin. I remember I feel like I remember he was in a movie called Shocker. He was the star of the movie Shocker, which was a West Kramer movie or movie. Frustrating action movie sequels. Is there more frustrating but lovable movie than this? That's an action movie. Frustrating but lovable. Yeah. I'd say Predator 2 is frustrating but lovable. Oh, that's a good answer. But I got I'm in love with the fucking movie. Yeah, but it's like Predator 2 is it. I think we would have a great time doing Predator 2 is rewatch triple. Is this a pitch? Just saying Danny Glover and Bill Paxton. You guys, I know that these movies aren't critically acclaimed but these are these movies. These movies aren't bad. That's like that movie is fun as fuck. It's weird. It's all out there. I refuse to try to act like Predator 2 sucks. That's a good movie. You're talking to a guy who did it to our podcast and species. Who are you talking about? Walter Hill, no. What did we decide while Terriles Apex Mountain was? Not the Warriors. 40 hours or the Warriors. 48 hours probably. Yeah. Cruiser Hanks. We Apex Mountain for guys flying through windows after being shot by a handgun. It doesn't get any better than this. A lot of them in this movie. And they take off like 20 feet. You know, like you get shot twice and you're just like flying across a bar and out of a plate glass of window. It's like shake. Go just out of the under driving in the paint. Flying backwards. You're already starting the agenda. Yeah. Cruiser Hanks. Hanks as Jack's that we're talking? Hanks as Reggie. Cruises. I didn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. So we have to pick though. You do. Hanks as Reggie. Well, are we guilty? No, who we picking? No, it has to be the guilty part. I'd say Hanks. It can't be. Neither one of those guys can do that. It's got to be. You have to pick. I know. Okay. Well, I'm saying Hanks is ice man. No, it's got to be the lead. Okay. Dude, the fucking. That's what you can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what it takes. No, the whole point is who could be the lead of this movie. There's only one other time I've seen you like this fantasy fantasy football. And the podcast or I know like the whole fantasy football debacle that happened. Or you caused a crash. I know. I didn't cause the crash. The crash calls the crash. I just said a dissertation about a minor issue. Sean stormed out of the text. That fucking hysterical is like whatever what. Sean goes. Let me show you. Sean fitness. It looks the chat. It is one of his funniest movies. That was hysterical. That was hysterical. All right. So we'll go. Thanks. Scorsese, your Spielberg. Clearly Scorsese. Yeah. Best hang worst hang. Probably Cherry Gans for worst hang. I feel like I feel like the Brent, the Brent James character is the most like decent hang. Yeah. He's the most normal person. Could a Vegas with them. Yeah. Hey, man, it's angel. That's the best hang, maybe angel, best time. Angels, the best hangs. She's up in North Beach. I think if you were hanging out with Angel, you run the risk of running into Cherry. That could be got complicated. I think it's worth it. You always run that risk though. Angel. Worst hang, Cherry Gans. Yeah, Cherry's two intense. Hey, do you see the Philly's game? Terrible tattoo on him. Yeah. The tear drop sloppy tear drop. It's way too big. It's like kind of in front of his, well, he wasn't doing it quicks. He was doing it because he put bodies away. He's a body man, baby. Yeah, it was no IG likes back then, man. We've covered a lot of picking nits already. Reggie does shoot a guy in the knee at the bar after having just get out of jail. That's fine. Nothing happened. It feels like that would have been something. One of the nits that I picked here is one of the, there's one of the top nits that I've ever picked in anything, anything. There's a gunfight happening. I know that the Asian hotel clerk, lady. I know she's a handful. I know she's a piece of work. She runs up to bitch Nick Nolte out during the gunfight. People are getting one guy screaming, I'm going to kill you big. She runs like there's like a, they busing at each other going crazy. Yeah. She's still somewhat. You guys are making too much noise. She runs up there to bitch out Nick Nolte while the gunfight is happening. It makes zero fucking almost every revolver in this movie has 14 bullets. That is weird. So how many realistically? Oh, ask American sniper over here. How many can you realistically get off six? Is there an eight? Can you pull off eight with a gun? What are you talking about? Are there guns where there's eight in the chamber? At one point, cherry gand shoots 13 shots. Well, cherry's not. Cherry's got a clip. Jack or and he got one of those guys. Jack has a revolver. They reloaded a couple of times, but this was a trope in 80s movies. They just did not care. Now, like legitimately, you see John Wick walking through the thing. He cycles the rep as he reloads it. In the 80s, they just didn't give a fuck about that. Maybe that was the most 1990 thing about this movie. It's just never caring about reloading. Yeah. Yeah. So Brent Jennings shot to death in a police morgue getting ID like two seconds later. We lose all concept of time in this movie. No price. Isn't it the bike? The bike price. Yeah, no price. Yeah. So mac a price, stay IDM, all the setting we lose 10 hours. course. And there's no cut. Nobody goes to sleep in this movie. There's one of the scenes that got cut out apparently is like Nolte getting to Malcolm Price's house, I think. Yeah. Bill, he's just in the morgue. Nolte is involved in what the investigators think is a bad shoot and he goes to trial immediately. Normally there's an administrative lead day later. There's a whole thing. There's a hashtag. That morning, there's all kinds of shit but he goes to trial immediately. Two more pickin' it's for me. So Jack is a virulent racist in the first movie. Yes. And then he said he quit drinking. So did he also quit being a racist? Well, the two would be tied together is the implication, right? Or did he learn his lesson by the end of 40 hours when he apologizes to Reggie at torches? Now is it he was done with racism at that point or did it still see bad conditions? I mean, it's a different time, but it's conditional. It would have been interesting if they had done a movie in 1985 if he'd still been a racist. Bush Presidency maybe helped him. He's still turned his back on Reggie. Still left Reggie in the fucking slam but didn't even come to visit him. That's true. That's what you guys do. All right, my biggest pickin' name. Cherry Vance. Yeah. The fuck name is that? Yeah, I don't know. The other guy's name is the guy's name like Hacksaw. I imagine it's Brad Gans and he just cherries his nickname, but I don't know what that comes from. What's mean? Biker is nicknamed Cherry. Like Cherry Gans should be dancing in North Beach with Angel. Yeah. That's not like a bad guy's name. I guess the question is, if you saw him and you heard the name, would you step? Would you be like, yo, that's a bitch name? Look, cause he would just shoot me and I don't go back for it. Which is why you're not going to do shit, which is why he could be cherry. His His real name is Richard, Richard Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, Dick Gans, podcasts were canceled by Netflix the next day. - Sequo prequel prestige TBR black cast are untouchable. I would have done a third one. - Oh no, I gotta say something. That would be a mistake by Netflix. - Yeah, he's re-apexing it. - When Netflix should do is, they should, this is a whole whole whole whole whole whole. When Netflix should do is they should cut that, and then they should put, do you wanna know what movie Bill Simmons is talking about sucking cock hands? (laughs) - Monday. - Monday. - I would have done a third, four, eight hours, over a third Beverly Hills cop. - What if? - I think Nolte was hot as Van described earlier from 1993. - Yeah. - Cop comes out in like 94, the third one. - Also, there's-- - There's just an obvious, is you gotta put Nolte in the bin. You put Jack in prison. And he gets brought out for 48 hours, and Reggie is the one helping him. - I have, he's the next star, yeah. - I have something but that for an answerable question. - Okay. - But before we do that, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins? Fergie the Flores. By the way, Sierra Kyle, the brand love Fergie the Flores, so much. - Oh yeah. - Did it for just one of the guys-- - Fantastic. - In your honor. Or somebody else, who do you have, Sierra? - I got Tom Brady, analyzing Angel doing both of those guys. - Oh shit. - Well, KB first hit cock at his way with the Angel, and now you got a question. Does she have enough in the tank for Cherry? - You always run into that with Eskimo brothers. (all laughing) - Two talented lovers, KB excited to see what happens next. Just so impressed with her stamina, KB. She's been dancing in North Beach all day. Absolute talent. - KB, with the cold weather, you have to change how you dance in the cage. To use your tiptoes. Just one Oscar who gets it, the stunts. The stunts are great in this movie. - Stunts are awesome. - And I think it won the award for best stunts of 1998. - Honestly, we should make an Oscar for Best Motorcycle driving and it should be in for this movie. - Yeah. - Probably an answerable question. So sometimes they'll do this in a movie where it's like, Angel, she's the best. They did this in the Gold Club trial. (all laughing) Remember the Gold Club trial? They had the stripper in the Gold Club trial and they said it was the Michael Jordan of strippers. - Yeah. - I just always wonder how the reputation first gets earned and then spreads. - You do wonder that? - Yeah, I do. - Okay. - Like you really have to stand out. So Angel, just apparently, I didn't know if they had any thoughts. - What are you googling? - I'm something different here. Just for strippers? - Like what? - Angel's like, they're talking back to the prison. - What are the natural girls for strippers? - Like, I heard that they had a little angel. - But they're different disciplines, right? So if you're talking about a stage dancer, there's that, if you're talking about a lap dance, there's that, if they're talking about it, I mean, there's different disciplines, right? - Right. - It's like, they're five times a little extra. - They're talking a cage dance. - They're talking a little bit extra. Like what she does up there, but then how that translates to some extra curriculars after, you know, after hours. - Yeah. - But those guys are definitely talking about legitimately which strippers grind on you and get your shit off. That's probably what Patrick Ewing was into. - So here's what I would have done for this movie. Unanswered. Well, tell me if this would have been better. - 40 hours, too. It starts Reggie Ones, Romans. The Romans, the bookstore? - No, the bar in 48 hours one. - Oh, okay. - The bar when he meets Olivia Brown as dancing with her and Jack comes in near the end. - Yeah. - He's like, "Of course you don't know about this place. It's poppin' with the brothers." - He owns Romans, he bought it. He's down buddies with Jack. Jack gets framed for murder by Gaines' biker gang. Goes to jail. Reggie has the mortgage Romans for like 72 hours to get him out to find the biker gang. We flip it. Jack's the one in jail. Reggie has money. Reggie's not helping him, but he's got something like 'cause he mortgage the bar. I think it's a better movie. - It's not bad. - 100%. - I don't know that it's vampires and like. - That's insane. - So maybe that should have been three. - Yeah. - So you want to keep the Western brotherhood in the mix though? - Yeah, I like the biker gang. - Me too. - Yeah, I have to bring him back. - Well, piece of memorabilia with you. - Oh no, I have an unanswerable question. - So what do you got? - Which is a better movie. Lawyer and lace or flesh pot. - Saw that on the Chinatown porn theater. - Oh yeah. - Chinatown porn. - Probably flesh pot. - I mean, just think about it. - It depends on how much of a plot you got. - Well, I think, well, in the AVN that year. - Well, if you're into plot, then it's got to be lawyer and lace. - I'm saying, it depends on, it's really a tasting thing. - But if it's usually going to shake Gainesau? - Flesh pot. - Flesh pot. How would go Flesh pot? This is just Gainesau, you know what I mean? - The piece of memorabilia you'd want or not want from this movie. Probably the motorcycle. Gainesau's motorcycle. - Gainesau's motorcycle was cool. I loved Reggie's car, man. I know we're not allowed to pick cars, but. - What about the jacks? There's one brief moment where he's staring at that pen that has the naked woman on it. - Oh yeah. - He reveals herself when the ink goes down. - That's right. - That was kind of fun. - If this side of Reggie's walk man, all that stuff. - Oh, the lighter would be good. - Yeah, the James Brown. - I want the James Brown tape. Coach Finstack, Mr. McGee, Miyagi, where best worst life lesson. Craig already did it. If shit was worse, something poor people borrowed no assholes. Best double feature choice, 48 hours. - Sure. I got one tingling cash. - Yeah, spiritually it's probably more related. - Then who won the movie, Eddie Murphy? - Eddie One. Craig, what do you got? - This is not a complicated rewatchable at all to me. To be honest, I enjoyed this more than the first one. - Wow, yeah. - I saw the first one because you guys did the original like in 2017, really early, three categories. I was not pretty in the show. So I just watched it on my own a few years ago. I thought it was okay. I thought it was slow, not nearly as funny as it should have been for hell. It's quite racist, obviously, but I didn't think it was that funny. And I was just like, I don't really get the appeal to this. Like there's not even that funny. And this one. - It's quite racist, obviously. - This one cuts out all that. And to me, I thought it was funny. I thought it was really enjoyable. And it's just, as Van outlined in his like top five, you know, buddy cop thing, it's just something that works. If you get two charismatic people, it's a hundred minutes. They're in a city, they're running around. - What? - It plays all the way up through the nice guys. - What are we fucking, when's the last solid black guy, white guy pairing that we've had? - Oh, shit. - I would do that guy. I'm starting to really like the guy from who's on SNL now, Camp Patterson. - Camp Patterson, yeah. - You know what? - I saw a little glimmer of that I think. - No, we ain't putting them as a thing. - Somebody enter process. - But maybe he's the Reggie Hammond type role. - It could be Shane Gillis and somebody or something like that. - Could be. - Okay, I think Cam is fucking hysterical. So like what? - Shane gets Shane as a guy. - Oh, I got it. You put Cam with Timmy. Tim Robinson? - No, Shalame. - You put Cam with Timmy, Shalame. - Telling you, well that means you could put, that Shalame is the answer to every movie. - But the point is in this one, you're gonna put, you're gonna make either you subverted and you go like Timmy's like straight up, the straight lace when the Cam gets to go crazy. Or you really fuck with the audience. You make Cam play it straight and you let Timmy go fucking wild. And you put those guys together. - I think you've already heard of that. - No, T and Eddie Murphy were major stars. - This is why I was kind of thinking because of the actors on actors videos. - It was like Michael B. Jordan and Shane Gillis. - It would be Michael B. Jordan and James. - Michael B. Jordan's like having fun for a month on set. He's like, fuck it, I'll just do this. - See if it's Michael B. Jordan. But did you see Michael? be Jordan with Jesse Pondens and the actors on actors videos. I did. But might go be Jordan's funny. He's ever really unleashed that in a movie. Jesse Pondens is funny in day. Yeah. Yeah. So game. Yeah. Stars need to be more comfortable making movies like this because it's fun. Now do you do you go generational here because a lot of these movies that we're talking about besides the white man can't jump some stuff like that. There's an age gap and that age gap kind of builds into the comedy. So you could go if you're going to do MBJ, you can go a little older if you want it. What's right? Well, MBJ, Robert Danny, do we have confirmation on him doing Miami Vice? Yeah. No. Him and Austin Butler. I don't I don't know what happened. I really I really tried to wish that into existence and I don't what's going on. I'm not a Boston Butler works for me for that for Crockett. Yeah. I don't think so. Who who works? I need him a little older. I don't know if he's old enough yet. I also I need to know if Austin Butler is okay not taking himself seriously in a movie. Well, so he Crockett's kind of a I mean, he doesn't really take. Yeah. Elvis and like you think he takes himself seriously that he can really commit to. I want to see him like loose and have him fun. Oh yeah. Crockett's kind of a dour guy though. Like Crockett's not like Craig was an actor. Oh, I was. You didn't see my work. I haven't. Nationwide commercial. Do you have 16? Yeah. Drudent Grinder. Well, then why don't you fucking do it? It's you and B. J. I'm waiting waiting for the call. Bring your films. I got to think I got to think who it would be. But like they haven't done it in a while. Michael B. Jordan would be great. He's a big star. He's now more than ever. We just need people together and just make the same jokes. Make the jokes. Like make them. I remember white man can't jump. There's like a the whole thing is directly just to have have the fun. We know it's never failed for the people don't like each other for the first 40% of the movie and have to learn to work together. And then by the end they'll like each other. Yeah, I'm going to like that every time. I don't really care who the two people are. Just keep I even like the heat with with some McCarthy and Sandra Bullock. Sure. That was good. It's funny. Opsets do it right. The heat's good. You like the heat? Yeah. The other guys. Yeah. Works. That's it for the rewatchables. CR. Another great one from you. Yeah. That we all elevated each other. Yeah. You never see the surprise me. Make a prediction who's going to win the national championships tonight. Well, but this is running on Wednesday. I know, but like it'll be a nice little time capsule. I actually really think my aim is going to win. I don't know why. I just think the end of the open up this whole door to how long should somebody stay in college football with Carson Beck, who's I think my age at this point. Indiana's whole team is 25. Yeah. Every single one in a man. Extras in the first girls. Um, thanks, fan. Thanks here. Thank you. Extras in the first half in like the season girl. And Eduardo. Thank you. Eduardo. Thanks Eduardo. And Zodiac is coming up next. Yeah, but we have to watch it. Okay. See you guys.