Another ‘19 Kids & Counting’ Duggar Couple Arrested for Child Molestation and Endangerment

bada bing bada boop this is part four of the duggar empire fall and if you've been listening to part one two and three please do that before you listen to this episode because we've gone through josh duggar's fall of going through the 2015 in touch expose the ashley madison leak the danica dylan lawsuit and now we are finally headed to the final part where joshua duggar is arrested and thrown into prison and then his brother joseph duggar will soon be arrested and it all starts because there is sin in the camp wait when was he arrested 2021 so april 29th 2021 homeland security investigators walk into a car dealership and they have a federal search warrant for all of joshua duggar's devices the first thing joshua duggar does is reach for his phone to call his attorney but before he can be the agent sees it because the phone is now evidence then it comes the big question before the agents tell joshua duggar what they're even investigating he opens his mouth and he asks what is this about has somebody been downloading child pornography what it's the kind of question that answers itself but it doesn't even matter because based off of all of his devices the evidence is already there it is uncovered that joshua duggar used a computer bypassing covenant's eyes the software he and his wife have to make sure that he doesn't watch legal explicit videos featuring adults he bypasses that application goes on to the dark web to download hundreds of c-sam images law enforcement they track the images to a used car dealership that he works at and on his computer there's that evidence that he downloaded and watched these files multiple videos of full-on assault at least 65 photographs of c-sam where one depicts a child being locked in a dog kennel the victims are between 18 months to 20 years old and they're 12 years old he is charged with one count of receiving c-sam and one count of possessing c-sam just a few days before his arrest joshua and anna duggar announced that they were expecting their seventh child and he has now been arrested for downloading and possessing images of toddlers children being abused while celebrating the fact that he's going to be adding another child into his family the judge even later tells josh the ages of the children depicted in the downloaded materials are very close to the ages of your children there's a lot of reasons that joshua is nicknamed pest on reddit forums one of them being he just like won't go down without squirming and fighting and trying to take everyone down with him too how did they even find this is this all come from the 2015 stuff they just keep on looking into him or someone tipped him off or no so a lot of how c-sam is caught is they have this huge database where every c-sam picture screenshot thumbnail video is logged with a specific metadata code and that code is then shared with all the local police stations and all of the internet service providers and so if anybody's device downloads or sends out one of those codes even if they're using a vpn or whatever they try to do dark web it usually flags so then law enforcement get a flag in a specific area then they'll go to the isps the internet service providers and they'll bring a search warrant they're like we got a flag in this area so we need all of the ip addresses so we can see whose it is and then they usually come with an ip address and that leads to a physical location and then they go to that police station in that jurisdiction and then they go and arrest they work with the police station but it's a homeland security so this wasn't related to everything that happened no like no one was specifically looking into joshua duggar wow that actually is more terrifying because this is just like an off chance he got caught yeah this is not oh we've been building a case on him and this is the first time he's done something so we're gonna get him it's just this is just like a coincidence wow yeah this guy the first problem is the evidentiary hearing this is the day before the trial there is a three-hour hearing discussing whether or not joshua's prior molestation of his sisters can be admissible during the trial bobby holt remember joshua was courting their daughter-in-law and joshua was courting their daughter she's the wife of jim holt also weird politician she testified about finding out about the molestation jim bob is also called into court and his relationship with memory seems to be highly strategic he largely states that he doesn't remember much jim bob yeah the dad is like i don't remember it was just years and years ago a long time ago he's almost diminishing the severity of it the court even states the court found mr duggar's selective lapse in memory to be not credible he was obviously reluctant to testify against his son joshua's prior molestation of his sister-in-law it must run in the family because when joshua was interviewed before his arrest the way he responds to questions is eerily calm he's just asking you know i guess i have you know quite a few questions about it but i don't know how much can you divulge but i'm just curious you're saying there's images being uploaded or images being downloaded the ip address from this had a lot of ccm associated to it in a peer-to-peer software program he's like well i do have a peer-to-peer software program so peer-to-peer means that you can transmit files without going through a third party which would be a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of time and a lot of it would be like unencrypted or something like that i don't know i don't use peer-to-peer software programs like that okay not that every time you use a peer-to-peer software program you're doing something illegal a lot of people do it because they just don't want to be surveilled and a lot of people might need to do it because certain areas the surveillance is you know you get it but josh is like oh yeah i have that and he just admits it very casually like doesn't everyone he's also like also i use tor which is how people access the dark web if you will and he's like like a tor browser we upload stuff for our cars and things like that so he's like i use the dark web for our car dealership i've had a friend of mine that came and set up like the file sharing so we could do more encrypted type stuff he just said it was like safer that way he got me into it to be safer and then the agents are like are you talking about torrent or tor because those are very different things and he's like i don't know i don't know anything so what is the scope is like what i'm trying to say is there something going on in my devices that there's like where there's been something's accessed or something's downloaded or something is this videotape or is this like a audio and the the officers are like well that's what let us hear he later says so casually i mean i don't want to say that i'm guilty or not of accessing inappropriate content at some point like at any point in my life which is crazy i mean i will say that i will google some crazy things for cases but i can definitively say to a cop i have never accessed anything inappropriate in my lifetime but he's like i can't say you know for sure i don't want to definitive like i don't want to put that in you know what i mean it's like what do you mean i think most people can definitively say that regardless joshua's history of molesting his sisters is allowed to be admitted into trial but the pest does not give up during the trial he tries to point the finger his attorneys basically do the whole this is a classic whodunit you know whodunit and downloaded the c-sam am i right they even bring in people from covenant's eyes to testify how the operating system only works on windows but joshua went and got linux linux i don't know to bypass any and all detection that the software could have the password used was allegedly the same password josh used for the family's instagram account so the same password that he used to hide the c-sam is the same instagram family account password and then josh and his attorneys try to suggest that a former employee who happened to be a sex offender probably did this but they don't call him to the stand because the judge is like well what are you going to ask him when you call him to the stand you can't just like point your finger at him and say i don't want to be a sex offender and say well maybe it's them well you're not allowed to bring up his previous connection if that's what you're trying to do like you're not allowed to bring up the fact that he was a previous sex offender they're like then don't bring him in which i mean the court quote surmises the only reason for calling him was to reveal his sex offense conviction to the jury the defense also starts arguing that joshua should be acquitted because there's no proof that he actually viewed the material quote mr duggar argues that the court should enter a judgment of acquittal as to both counts of conviction but the judge is not sure if the court should enter a judgment of acquittal because the jury was not presented evidence sufficient to show he actually viewed any c-sam basically saying that they need to show proof that he viewed it to establish needed convictions and their last throw it at the wall and see if it sticks is the most nonsensical joshua duggar is an apple guy there's no c-sam on any of his apple devices because it's not his during the trial it stated multiple times the files that he was downloading were quote torture and depicted victims in visible pain and screaming one of the downloads was connected to daisy's destruction and the special agent that worked on this case testified that it was in quote top five of the worst worst that i've had to examine the defense any conversation or investigation or anything about his kids no yeah okay the defense tried to argue that these statements should be excluded they want to exclude any opinion by law enforcement officers that certain c-sam images are considered worse than others i guess they're trying to say worse is subjective but the prosecutors they bring in proof every time josh would text his wife that he was going to be late from work or that he was being held up somewhere soon after his computer would download videos of children additionally through cell tracking towers the prosecutors were able to prove that one these videos were downloaded in the car lot outside of joshua's workplace and two joshua's workplaces were blocked joshua was the only one there at the time that he's downloading these files and three he's texting his wife that he's going to be home late else is there not another employee nobody it's also revealed during the trial that joshua would frequent reddit snark pages so a lot of people started calling him names for that reason how did they find out about that i think it was going through like the covenant eyes they were testifying of yeah his internet browser history oh wow he's obviously found guilty but during sentencing michelle of course writes a letter to the judge asking leniency for her our son our firstborn son in short it has everything that you expect it to have she states that she wants to share information about josh's character that may not be fully known to the court which i think the judge is going to have to do because he's going to have to do it right now i think the judge is going to have to do it right now he ordered the center leadership staff to round some girls up to start cleaning it was something that got there just wanted to see he didn't care that i would come at night and industrially clean the carpet and get rid of all the stains he wanted to see girls on their hands and knees scrubbing with rags and spoons and i think that it was maybe a recruiting tactic i imagine very specific types of people would walk in with their wives and their children and think now this is a good god-fearing church this is the type of example i want to set in my family and the duggar family were very very close with the god-fearing church and they followed his teachings quite literally to a tee such as bill gothard would state when a young person listens to rock music like a rock song even a christian rock song they give satan a little square in their soul the soul is depicted like a chess board and you give up one of those squares to satan he's playing chess with his soul and we're just trying to survive in this economy he's also racist in my opinion okay jesus christ nobody is more cease and desist happy than a religious cult leader but i feel he is racist and then he's like and that's why he hates rock music his teachings read to the delinquency of minors the characteristic offbeat in today's rock music has been traced to the satanic rituals in the jungles of west africa it was this type of drum beat which certain tribe members were specifically trained for in order to open the people to demonic control so you can't listen to rock music but you also can't be a whore and bill gothard's definition of a whore is showing a shoulder if any sort of assault or bad thing happens to a woman it's because a woman was showing a shoulder and leading a woman to a wall and leading men astray but is being pedophiled okay with him? that is natural curiosity my friend i see just kidding i'm trying to get another one okay one leader of the iblp teaching states the problem is that men have a problem with their eyes the solution is to avoid eye traps the shorter the skirt the more vicious the trap so the solution right if you were to tell me that all men have a problem with their eyes which is not what i'm saying at all but if that were the case then the most logical solution would be to blindfold all men or gouge out their eyes that would make more sense in her logic if that's the real problem but instead she says it's the woman's fault They have in the wisdom booklet, which is their teachings, pictures of women wearing various different outfits, and people are forced to ask, can you identify the eye traps in these pictures? What could you do to alter them? But maybe it's not what you're wearing. Maybe it's that little eye twitch thing you do, like, you know, the spasm of the muscle in the eye, but they consider that winking, and only whores wink. Yeah, you can't wink. It's a very whorish thing to do. And, quote, those who fall to her whoredom are stripped of resources and vibrancy of life. And what do whores get? Crabs. Crabs. Quote, the public lice, often called the crab, is only one of several parasites which can be transmitted through immorality. I mean, the logic is sound if you have the genetic makeup of a russet potato. They've also said some other controversial things, such as, the abortions in America right now, there is currently a baby holocaust. Bill Gothard states, Ginger Duggar has since left IBLP and denounced Bill Gothard's teachings, and she says, I remember a story of being told to me of a young man who died in a car accident because he was listening to rock music, and somebody in the car turned on even Christian music with drums, and I would think, like, we're going to die for sure. We're going to get into a car accident, and we're going to die, and I would be shaking in the backseat crying. Jill says that whenever she wore pants, that was seen as a small act of independence, and quote, anyone who is making decisions for themselves that the parents don't give their blessing, that is seen as rebellious. One former member of the IBLP says, girls were taught that boys were almost unable to control their lust. It was our responsibility to help them control it by dressing modestly, and if we didn't, we just got what we had coming to us. One victim of IBLP says that when a man shows up in your life and decides he wants you, it's not up to you to say no. No. If you want to come back, you have to come to terms with it, because this is truly what God wants for you. Dangerously, the wisdom booklet teaches that in the event of unfaithfulness in the marriage, quote, allow for divorce and or remarriage is basically destroying someone's relationship with Christ and the church. An article on the IBLP's website reads, serve and appeal to your husband, and it gives these like short biblical references, but it reads, you must ask God for a plan on how you can serve your king in order to gain his heart and present your love to him. Your appeal. They talk about a woman named Esther from the book. It was from the place of service that Esther was able to make her appeal. As she served the king, she gained his attention. He was now ready to listen to her heart. And whoever is writing this article is a woman, and she writes, this area is a challenge for me. I tend to serve my children before my husband. To be honest, most of the time I'm so busy that my home becomes like a self-service gas station for everyone, which isn't good. Once again, ask the Lord what you can do to serve your husband as Esther did. Ladies, fast, pray, cry out to the Lord, surrender to him, and serve your husband. Now, the mind-boggling aspect of this is it's written under an article focusing on what to do if your husband is not sorry for having an affair. Or in IBLP speak, quote, what can I do if my husband is not repentant over moral failure? I mean, clearly, this is not a safe space for women with one former member saying, there was never, hey, what do you want? It was always God wants this, and if you don't like it, you need to submit and be broken. People ask me why I stayed. I was isolated with no one to help me leave. I was brainwashed into believing God would hurt me if I didn't do everything I was told to do. And unfortunately, Bill Gothard has been accused of SA by like 30 women. And I could just do another multi-part series on Bill Gothard because he has stepped down from the IBLP church. But I don't know how much money he made off with. At one point, IBLP was like a $90 million institution. But with that said, I mean, some Duggars have remained religious, but just not following Bill Gothard. Others have spoken up. Some have been vocal. Others have found themselves in other scandals of their own. So I'm just going to run you through the major scandals. Jaina ends up getting charged with child endangerment. Nobody knew what was going on. There were all sorts of theories circulating because now Duggar and child endangerment, it seems synonymous with one kind of thing. And Jaina makes an online statement. I'm only sharing this because the media has been having a field day with it all. The raw facts. I was babysitting a few months ago when one of the children wandered outside alone. A passerby who saw the child called the police. This resulted in a written citation as well as a follow-up with child welfare who concluded that it was an accident and the child was unharmed. They recognized it was a case of a child slipping out of the house when you turn your back for a moment. It all happened so quickly. It was so scary. I'm grateful for law enforcement and those who protect and serve our community. I was certainly never arrested like some may have implied. In the end, I was just upset at myself that this happened at all. But so thankful it all ended safely and that's truly what mattered the most to me. Then you have Jill and Derek. They have been the most outspoken about the Duggar family and everything that they've been through. They've also had their fair share of critics online. They went through a missionary phase where a lot of people said that they just like kind of played white savior. So they would go into different countries and they recount stories of how they would treat their bathroom as the safe. There's this one incident where they hear this huge metal clinking. They rush Jill into the bathroom. Derek is ready to fight. Jill is messaging her family to pray. Turns out a shower rack fell down. But you know, it could have been one of the terrifying POCs out there. Basically. What? What is happening? Okay, this is maybe like the nuance of it is lost because I grew up in a church that would do missions and a lot of it just turns out to be like, oh, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. into americans going into countries typically in south america central america and then acting terrified for their godforsaken lives even though they are the ones that fucking wanted to go there in the first place but they're acting so terrified like oh my god how can i be here my life is at risk and then they're saving people at the same time i don't know how they do that how do you be so terrified of the country that you're going into and then save people at the same time who don't even need to be fucking saved okay okay that makes sense i get it now yeah so like all these stories that they're sharing is really riling people up because it's like you were that dramatic over a shower rack that fell down yeah like what were you expecting pocs to break in and what what like what is the stigma that you have in your head what are they going to do they also like do multiple episodes where they go on missionaries and they just talk about they're terrified for their lives like they could die at any moment and i'm like right are you like what's happening derrick is also deeply deeply transphobic um i don't know if that's present past but he was to a very high degree he literally targeted a young 16 year old girl a transgender girl named jazz jennings stating transgender is a myth gender is not fluid it's ordained by god a lot of people had their flabbers gasted by that tweet because technically you could argue that god is a myth i'm not saying that's what i think but i think it's a myth i'm just saying read the room a little before you start tweeting some weird nonsense he also just like continues to bully and misgender jazz jennings for no apparent reason other than being a giant transphobic person also i will say as someone who grew up in the south in a very religious area going to church all the time i can to some degree have some level of understanding for people who grow up in these bigoted spaces that then believe these things because they are instilled with fear and hatred and they're like oh my god i don't know what to do with this and all of these other tactics to manipulate children at a young age to believe these things until they become an adult but i just don't think he was 28 bullying a 16 year old girl like this is not like he's 16 and talking to other kids his age he was 28 years old bullying a 16 year old girl he also stated that planned parenthood was a hate group and he celebrated a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple they have since they haven't these are all on twitter yeah wow he hasn't necessarily apologized formally but they've kind of like in subtle ways walked back a lot of their views they've stated that they have a ton of friends now who are not christian are and are even part of the lgbtq plus community they say even if you disagree you can still respect and be friends with someone and i just think i hate that i hate that so much why are you disagreeing about someone else's existence like you shouldn't have a fucking opinion like what does that mean like i disagree that you're a real person that you can't do that it's just not rooted in logical anyway they also start saying that well everyone's a sinner anyway so i don't know if you can really call that like they're standing firm that being gay is kind of a so there's a lot to unpack there yeah and like i said i think with a lot maybe of the younger duggers it's easier to give not leeway no excuses but i think they're too damn old like i don't you could argue well i grew up in this type of situation where this was normalized you're too damn old to be doing this yeah like especially with the internet these days get online watch a video go help yourself get a therapist you're so damn weird jessa there is a situation on instagram where she had posted where she went to the holocaust museum within 200 words she's able to express that the holocaust museum was depressing and sobering which everybody agrees with but then she goes to the holocaust museum and she's able to express that and she goes on to somehow state that racism is because of evolutionary theory And she ignores the fact that the Holocaust was the result of a deeply Christian nation, but then turns it around to say that we need to be the voice for those who cannot speak up. Hashtag pro-life. Then it's revealed. So because, and you know what? I think there's just so much with the Duggars. Like there are some people who have a level of understanding for them because maybe they also grew up in very strict religious environments where this was taught to you. And so you almost go down that route. But I think as an adult, there's really no excuse to self-educate. But also when you are so vocal, you're going to get shit thrown back at you. Like if you're throwing shit at other people, you better expect it's going to get thrown back at you. And this is why this becomes a whole topic. So it is uncovered that Jessa underwent a medical procedure, which is called a DNC. And if you want to be very technical in the medical sense, it is technically an abortion. Jessa and Michelle have made some really, offensive comments comparing abortion to the Holocaust, calling it the baby Holocaust. And Jessa has responded online writing, women have DNCs for many reasons, not all of which involve killing a living human being. My baby's heart had stopped beating three weeks before I had a DNC. Each person is created in the image of God, Genesis 127. And to purposefully destroy a baby in the womb is an affront to the God who created that life. There's a world of a difference between someone dying and someone being killed. To equate one to the other and to a mother grieving the loss of her baby, no less. Is severely distasteful. There is a world of a difference between a mortician and a murderer. Even a child understands the difference between the two. So a lot of people started dragging her about the DNC. And I mean, you, I don't know. You could just argue like, oh, should we have come at a woman in her time of grief of losing a fetus or, or she kind of deserved it? I don't know. It's up to you. And then Ginger and her husband, Jeremy have come out publicly against Bill Gothard and they have joined a. A different amount of denomination in Christianity that some also liken to a cult with a lot of people believing that Ginger traded in one cult for another. Her husband has also gotten into a little bit of trouble. He is an ex soccer player with a criminal history. He was drunk and he tried to assault a cop. He was not successful. So the officers were like, you're drunk, get your shit together. And then he grabbed one of the cops arms in a forceful manner. He was arrested, but he's now like a pastor and he says very weird things. Like there's a reality show about a family in California or something. And they've got all these kids and whatever. It's a show. But one of the little boys was five years old and decided he didn't want to be a boy anymore, but now he really wants to be a girl. And so the parents say, okay, well, if you're a girl, you're a girl. So they go along with it. Well, that is a sign that the child is ruling. The child is. The parents have no discipline over the child or no instruction of what's wrong and right. It's just whatever you feel you do. And now you've got a child who's barely come to the cognitive understanding of the world the last couple of years, determining that how they were created is wrong. And they're going to redo that. How do you lead as a parent then? He says, quote, He also goes on to like do a whole weird Instagram video about Kanye's new album, Jesus is King. He says he listened to the whole album and he saw messages from people saying, like, oh, well, Jesus would never save Kanye because Kanye is still the same filthy sinner that he's always been, which he believes is wrong because Jesus forgives all. What's his whole thing about there's a reality show? Yeah, he's just transphobic as well. Oh, that little story means nothing. Like the whole family and then the reality. No. And like, he's like, he is also doing a lot of logical fallacies of being like, here's a five. Year old basically declaring that they're transgender when they don't even know what that means. But probably it was, I would imagine maybe the five-year-old is like, I actually like wearing dresses and I don't like playing with toy cars. And he's all like, darn, transgender people. That's the vibe that I get. Jedediah, this one right here. He runs for office in Arkansas State Representatives 2020 standard. And he's like, oh my God, I'm going to have to vote for him. He's just like pro-life, pro-gun, pro-religion. In his vote for me video, he says, Hello, District 89. This is Jed Duggar running to be your next state representative. I'm a Christian and I will stand up for your religious liberties. I'm pro-life and I will be an advocate for the unborn. And I will always defend our Second Amendment with your prayer, support, and help. I look forward to serving you as a strong conservative voice in Little Rock. He gets like, he, they wipe the floor with him. He goes up against a, a Democrat, Megan Godfrey. And this is like, Arkansas is usually, the parts they're from are very conservative and mostly Republican. I mean, Megan Godfrey flipped her seat Democratic. And I think it was like 20 years that a Republican held that seat. She flipped it for the first time in 20 years. Yeah. How so? She's just fucking competent. She's like a PhD. She has a master's degree. I think she was a teacher. She just knows. She just knows what she's talking about. And you know what he does to this accomplished woman? He calls her liberal princess. And he starts doing all these ads of like, are we really going to vote for liberal princess over here? And then, so the Democrats are like, hey, bunk bed Jed, why don't you shut the fuck up? So they call him bunk bed Jed, because as he's running for office, he's still sharing a bunk bed with his brother. Jeremiah? I don't know if it was Jeremiah, but it was somebody. What? And he knows nothing about anything. It's like, empty up here. So, yeah. And then in 2026, like a few months ago, Anna Duggar has finally come back online. So she was largely gone from the public eye after Joshua Duggar's arrest and conviction later in 2022. She is now breeding golden retrievers in her backyard and posting on social media again. Netizens don't really know how to feel about her. Some people think, again, you're too damn old to be doing this and you have children. And I will say it is, always a parent and not a mom. And like, I think it's always thrust upon the mom, but it is also a dad's duty. It is always a parent's duty to protect their own children. So that type of criticism I think is warranted. But some people are just conflicted on whether they despise or not Anna Duggar. One comment reads, I just think this is all around sad. Maybe even a bit tragic in regards to Anna. Like she married this guy so young. And I remember the courting and early marriage stuff. And she was just so happy and it was cringy and culty and weird. But there she was. Marrying into fundamentalist Christian royalty and getting away from her family. She was like really all in on this. She believed in this. She was excited for this. The only time these girls get to feel special in their lives is when they court, marry, and have babies. And now what does she have to show for it? What can she do? Choking on the Kool-Aid as much as she is. Now with all these kids, she is utterly and helplessly dependent on the Duggars. When you're that brainwashed, there's no moment when the penny drops and you're free. Freedom can also suck. It's unfamiliar, scary, and expensive. People also believe, the Duggars will do everything they can to make her stay. They'll put so much pressure on her until she's metaphorically pinned to the ground and paralyzed by the crush. Anna is responsible for protecting her children, but tragically means something different to her than to us. It's likely Anna believes it is her fault for not being joyfully available and that at least with the Duggar Empire's help, she can clothe and feed her children. And even when Joshua Duggar comes out, he will not be able to have unsupervised visits with any minor children, including his own. We don't know if that's why she's staying or if she genuinely just still loves Joshua Duggar. I mean, when he comes out, none of them will be minors. No, they will. So she gave birth to Madison during the trial. Yeah, yeah. How long he gets? He gets 13 years? 12. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 12 and a half. Wow, that is actually crazy. Yeah, yeah. And then it happens again. March 18th, 2026. Joseph Duggar is arrested and everybody loses their mind. Like I think, you know, in 2015, when this was happening with Joshua Duggar and then later in 2021, I think most of this news, it did become mainstream news, but it really stayed within this Duggar universe of people who religiously followed the Duggars. And I don't mean that pun intended, but with this news, 2026 arrest, people are starting to feel like, okay, there is like something very nefarious happening. Maybe not even just in this family, but in the IBLP, like people need to look into everything. The charges stem from events that allegedly happened in 2020. It is alleged that in 2020, during a family vacation in Panama City Beach, Florida, Joseph allegedly repeatedly suggests that this nine-year-old girl sit on his lap. Who's this girl? We don't know. Some people have made guesses. I would say, but not, yeah. He had her sit next to him on the couch, covered her with a blanket and rubbed her thighs and grazed her private parts. She finally tells her dad about it as a 14-year-old girl. So in 2026, she's like, dad, this is what happened to me. Her father confronts Joseph and he confesses allegedly to the dad. And this is when the dad calls the police. The police are like, call Joseph again and have him admit it while we're listening. Allegedly, he acknowledges his actions once more. The next day he is arrested. This comes as a huge shock to most people. people because joseph has always been known as the quieter nicer brother he was relatively low key up until all of this he's also publicly condemned his older brother joshua for his actions so people on the family website you know joseph's page just reads i recently finished my real estate broker's license and i've enjoyed getting to work in the real estate industry we've also been building houses to sell i love getting to work outside with my hands so people are like what is happening like and i think it's so reminiscent of the crimes that joshua duggar committed against his own sisters that people are starting to wonder what's going on does everybody just know that this is a thing that's happening and then jim bob's previous remarks about how this is like a lot of families go through this so a lot of people online are speculating if joseph's wife kendra knew what was going on and if she did why didn't she turn him in and a lot of people who have been following the duggar universe i guess they have been pinpointing when kendra had stopped posting online on instagram she took a break and you know she's like i don't know what's going on and she's like i don't know what's going on and she's like i don't know what's going on and she's like i don't know what's going on people are wondering if maybe she took a break around that time in 2020 2021 because of everything that was going on in her private life like maybe she found out about it then but if she found out about it then why didn't she go to the police is it the same thing that jim bob and michelle duggar have been doing where they don't go to the police for crimes against children and alarmingly they have four children together and then two days after joseph duggar's arrest kendra duggar is arrested and people are like okay that means she knew about it right what's child endangerment and false imprisonment and it's actually a lot um i think there is initially there was some relief that she was not arrested for similar crimes as joseph duggar or for participating or co-conspiring to like let him get away with it but it's bad locks were found on the outside of the children's bedrooms doors that is the safeguard bob did right yes when on tlc yeah on the tv show well not on the tv show but he did that to prevent josh yes so she had that and that leads a lot of questions and why exactly because it's not safe and it's illegal actually that's why she's arrested because in the event of a fire i mean you can't lock your kids in a room right is that is that the only thing they found just lost yes so far um well so far it sounds presumptuous like like i'm insinuating she's committed other crimes just yes but how did that even come about because they searched his house oh and then they found locks yes so she got arrested for that both of them have been released from custody both of them are not allowed around their children joseph's next court date is april 20th kendra's is april 29th and a little bit about kendra before we get into the jailhouse calls okay kendra is the daughter of a pastor she's a pastor and she's a she's one out of nine children her dad in 2014 distributed pamphlets claiming that there are no such things as homosexuals and when people are like why the hell did you do that he said that it was merely him trying to spread love i don't know what his definition of love is and also during kendra and joseph's wedding kendra's dad just keeps telling kendra that she reminds him so much of his wife aka kendra's mom and it was just like so repeatedly not the sweet like oh you have your mother's eyes but like why do you keep saying that it was just weird they're four children together that kendra is not a pastor and she's a pastor and she's a pastor and she's a pastor and she's a right now and then all of this is just blowing up in march of 2026 and then it gets crazier because emails and jail calls are released in emails between joseph and his family members anna duggar joshua duggar's wife makes an appearance she lets joseph know that they're all praying for him and that she deposited money into his commissary account and then quote just remember don't talk about anything legal unless you're with an attorney everything said in these messages phone calls and turned over to prosecutors joshua's experience at washington county jail was fairly safe anna talks about kendra writing an email to joseph she loves you so much and she was strong during our call except when she mentioned it would be a month before she could see the kids my heart aches for all of you i believe she will prevail in the end it may just take some time kendra is an extraordinary woman god's grace shines through her she is truly a treasure praying for you love ya anna is anna the one no a lot of other people are writing emails like family members kendra's writing emails that is crazy because you know your husband committed these crimes and here's joseph who's potentially you know like how how could you yeah i think it's the terrifying thing is it's become so normalized in certain communities that doing this okay for joshua it was normalized of natural curiosity of boy i don't know what logic they're using for joseph that's but this is truly just another way that certain communities and i'm not saying all fundamentalist christians or christians or anyone with faith-based religion i'm just saying like there are certain groups of people that will use religious text and genuinely good faith-based findings to just victimize women and children and that's it like i oh and then in another email anna duggar writes to joseph i'm praising god that we started getting closer to you guys within the last year and a half he knew that kendra was going to need help we will and are helping her what yeah jim bob is emailing joseph joseph i'm so sorry for what you're going through mom and i love you very much looks like you have a long road ahead of you but god will get you through you have made some terrible decisions but god has already forgiven you if you have asked him you are just going to have to accept this situation at this point and it's also fine to pray that god would have mercy on you but you're probably going to face major consequences for several years to come and he also insinuates that he should make lemonade out of lemons then there are phone calls between joseph and kendra duggar where kendra tells him that she has an attorney for her and you know he also has an attorney he complains that he's been in solitary confinement he's not really sleeping well through the night but it's good to hear kendra's voice i will say listening to these phone calls is so odd it's just odd this is like just feels illegal to hear no it's just the way they talk okay so first of all i can't imagine anyone talking to their spouse who has been charged with with a crime like that in the way that kendra is talking to joseph and it feels so distant and formal you think that's how they usually talk i think so he's giving her he is giving her religious advice and she's like praise the lord and i'm like what the fuck is happening yeah yeah yeah what is he saying like he's like how he's reading psalms and it's really getting him through they have like a light moment where they talk about how kendra mentions multiple times that she can't eat she can't stomach anything everyone is worried about her because she can't eat and she needs energy but like she just can't eat and she's frail and she's weak right and joseph duggar just didn't give a flying fork about kendra duggar i'm just gonna say that right now and i hope kendra is listening to people that are telling her that too because he almost sounds annoyed that she keeps mentioning this he's like well you gotta eat i was reading psalms and she just keeps bringing it up bring it up bring it up and he's just like yeah i'm having a hard time eating too and then they joke about how they're both gonna lose weight and they're like haha kendra says that she's being ate she's like yeah i'm just gonna eat and she's like yeah i'm having a hard time eating too and they joke about how they're both gonna lose weight and she's like yeah i'm having a hard time eating because i know god's been so good i've been writing down some of the things that i'm thankful for that we've gotten to do i was thinking about our vacation we got to do as a family and our trip before so i'm just trying to write down all of that today he keeps preaching to her about how to listen to god let god's voice take over and read the book of psalm psalms yeah and she says that um she's just like yeah yeah and uh there is this point that people have a huge a lot of people online have brought it up but she says that she's working through the list that he gave her on his ipad and she's trying to coordinate how to get his phone out of custody because when you get booked into jail they take it into custody so that she can go through his phone so a lot of people are concerned that she's trying to delete evidence further jail conversations talk about how she's getting passwords i'm assuming to like banking and business and stuff like that so she's trying to get his phone out of custody so she's trying to get his phone out of custody so she's trying to get his phone out of custody but they could be the same thing they could be different things we don't know but a lot of people i think just from the recollection of what happened with joshua there's concern that something is happening there yeah but nothing nothing is as blasphemous as joshua duggar's statement through his attorney when joseph duggar is arrested the attorney says that josh said that the allegations against joseph have deeply saddened him and that joshua understands the stigma of being accused and that joshua understands the stigma of being accused and that joshua understands the stigma he lives with the painful reality of how false accusations can destroy a life he understands how the targeting of a person for publicity can twist the truth into sensationalized fiction calm down you were not that famous you were not targeted and that is currently where we are with the duggars we're waiting for their court dates later in this month of april and we're just gonna see where we go from there but i think this is kind of so this is gonna be it could be really really bad right yeah - Yeah, yeah. it a little shocking that kendra is just like arrested yes it is very bad that you are locking but i feel like if kendra could have been oh no joseph put the lock on or something i don't know what what do you think it made them charge her that quickly do you feel like there's more things no i think you think that's it yeah there's lock on the door yeah i think you would charge both parents immediately because it's just like that illegal right okay you know i mean i think maybe because that is true yeah why would they do something like that so abnormal because i mean my sister even had to watch out for the locks in the door when the kids were young because they would lock themselves in a room so to have a lock outside the room is just okay right what's going like yeah i guess something's going on something's going on in this house yeah and it's not dark safe like you cannot be like kendra cannot be alone with her kids anymore i don't even think she can see her kids right now until april 29th i think there will be another judgment but it yeah something really dark is going on and i imagine that it was not because you know like maybe you could argue there's like a lock that locks from both sides i'm imagining it was like very clear as day for the officers what that lock who else wrote letters or emailed joseph and kendra in the family do you know it was mainly them a lot of the others have spoken out i mean interesting enough jill said that she learned about joseph's arrest through the media she did not know from her parents and so a lot of siblings have spoken out publicly that they are condemning what joseph has done oh or some of them have given slightly more pr friendly remarks of like you know victims my heart breaks can't believe it but like not definitive like oh my god fuck that guy fuck my brother you know so anna is supporting yeah jim bob michelle and kendra is very much supporting her husband in this interesting i just yeah a lot of people are having a hard time swallowing all of this and i think there will probably be more that comes out as time passes but what are your thoughts on this case i feel like nobody i feel that the duggar family has their arrest recently has caused a lot more eyes on joseph and kendra and i think that's a really good point because i think that's a really good point because i think that's a really good point because i think that's a really good point into even the past of all the duggar family members and i think it's just there's such a high barrier of entry to get to know the family's entire digital footprint and lore because there's just so much information out there and all of that information i mean i was even scared to research this case because with a case like this of course you're going to have opinions from people who grew up parasocially with the family or people who have grown up in similar conditions and it's just a lot of even ideological of even ideological viewpoints that you have to sift through to get to the root of like who these people even are and it was just like a tremendous amount of content out there but one netizen comments is 19 kids and counting the name of the show or the sun's rap sheets so with that being said that is where i leave you with part four let me know in the comments what are your thoughts stay safe and i will see you in the next one