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I could do two hours on this as we know, but to move through it, let's do the top. Let's do the top 10. And then, you know, like you always do, take us in any direction where you think that's the most important stuff. But we start at the top with my homes getting 49 of the 50 tier one votes. And then I have to imagine your editors use that quote as my homes being a two at the top to get everybody to like go, wait a minute, what am I reading here? But at that point, we've already clicked on. Uh, so it's he and Alan Allen's 48 tier one, two, tier two. I just don't know how anyone can have it either of these guys. But I guess the bigger question is, have you felt like there is a, a very definitive my homes to Alan shift here, even though in this exercise, my homes is still technically number one. Yeah, here's what I think. Like, uh, if people are being honest, a one game matchup against Alan is a tougher matchup. Like, take away the knee injury for my home. Let's just say you had to play one game. Don't make it a Super Bowl where we start bringing in an okay playoffs and all that. But it's just playing a game on paper, Josh Allen's a tougher matchup, right? But does that make him a better quarterback yet? I don't think people are really going there. But they are looking at the chiefs saying, Hey, we understand no running game. We understand the weapons are bad. But, you know, can we have another, you know, we have a great season from this offense again. It's been a while. Even though they rank top 10 and they've won a ton of games, we know it doesn't look the same. I think people just realized with my homes, it's not like he's falling off physically. Other than the injury now, he's got to come back from that. But he's not end of career, you know, Peyton Manu can't sling it or he's not end of career drew breeze who lost his fastball. I mean, he's just a pointless career. I think as one of the people I talk to mentioned, you know, Joe Montana was there. He won two more MVP's and Super Bowl, you know, so no one's bearing him yet, but they're watching to see how it goes. Yeah, and we're also talking about the guy again had 49 of the 50 tier one votes. So it's not like he ended up fourth in this TV tears list. But I am of the belief he's 32, right? Or 31 in September. Excuse me. Yeah. There's no way this is it. But it is now three years of this. And I remember going into last year and listening to people talk about like Allen surpassing my homes. And I just went, look, I don't care what the stats are. Like we can't, we can't do that yet. Because for a game, I imagine my homes is still the most brutal guy that you have to prepare for. And that was after Super Bowl loss. Now, when you throw in what we just saw from both of them in this last season, I also think like on the other side of it, it's entirely fair. And it's kind of like a reminder, like my homes hasn't been my homes for three years. He hasn't had over 30 touchdowns of three straight seasons. I think this scramble rate that you bring up last year that is a 9% scramble rate. And it's like that's actually what he doesn't want to do. So then it speaks to the issues that they've had to tackle. It speaks to the issues that they've had to try to figure out any receiver. Obviously, with Kenneth Walker coming in, they feel like, okay, do we have like an actual running back? You can take the load off of this guy. So when I've watched the games, I understand why the stats have declined. And I don't think it's somebody at this young of an age where Stafford's 38. And I'm thinking like, do you really want to think that my homes is never going to be that guy again? Like, I can't get there, even if a year ago, I was probably way more defensive of the Mahomes Allen conversation where now I'd have more of an open mind about it. Yeah, I agree with you. I think, look, if they were both on a Hall of Fame ballot right now, then it choose one of them. We're choosing Mahomes. He's got the whole body of work and all of that. But we're also that three years matters, you know, and I think he's his scrambling and running around has been staining them. It's like the guy who's got his head above the water and underneath it's thrashing wildly to be there. There's a lot of stress. He's like, he's at the red line to be there. And you don't necessarily think he's going to go under, but like he's not walking on water like he was or in his career. And that's just the way that it is. So I, he did, he and Josh Allen did this too. They did these long-term contracts where they got great money, but they also did it to help the team in terms of structuring the money and that type of thing. And I think you'd like to feel better about something else on their team offensively that is differentiating. And I include Andy Readon that too, one of the greatest coaches of all time. But he does, he need to change gears too. We see so many, I think I can give him an example. Stafford, the last couple years, they have, you know, gotten back to a little bit under center, some run game, just some things that can give the defense, give staff a little bit of a break and not just have them run at the red line. And I feel like my home just doesn't have that. What's helping my homes? Right? It's like they're putting more weight on him. He's carrying more. Now they're going to have a really young defense this year too, which could take some time. So and he's coming off the injury. I don't know if I'm expecting a big sprint out of the gates where we suddenly feel like moms is back. Are you? I don't know what to make of the receivers. The kind of walker thing gets me excited. And, you know, they've, they've invested so much in this whole line. And we still, you know, have loved the interior play. But I look at my homes and I just see tackles getting worked. And then he's trying to make the most of it. And, you know, you can say, I'll post Thai re-kill. They haven't had that deep shot threat. They've tried with different personnel decisions. And I don't think anybody's necessarily really established themselves. But, you know, I was looking at his birthday again, again, 31 September. Like, so do you? Like, I am not of the opinion that the beginning of my homes statistically is a fluke and that we're just never going to get back there again, even if three straight years with some of these numbers feel like, well, wait a minute. That's not really that Superman shit that we're used to. And then being completely destroyed by Philadelphia is like the last big stage moment that we have, which is, which is something that's not supposed to happen. You know, it's like, hey, you can lose the playoff game, but we don't expect that to happen. And like, even the Tampa Bay Super Bowl loss, again, it was the outside guys, like my homes running for his life going a car, an entire offensive game plan is destroyed here. And I don't, I don't like leave that game against Tampa going, oh, this guy isn't all that. And by the way, look at the teams that are favored now, what they can do, the Rams, the Seahawks. If you're going to, if you're the chief, you're going to get back there, let's say they had a great year and got us a Super Bowl. Are they going to deal with those guys, those teams defensive fronts really well? Whereas my home's going to be on his back six times. I think it's the latter. Yeah, that would be the argument that Alan should and will overtake him because my homes can't keep scrambling around like he did last year. And we saw, like, I, when I'd watch him last year, I couldn't believe he wasn't getting hurt earlier in the season.
- Yeah. - So, you know, agree, right? It doesn't get better as you get older, you know? I mean, sorry, that's gonna leave him at some point. That part is going to decline. - Okay, so with Alan, I guess I'm being positive in how I looked at this, but then I'm focusing on the negative because he had two tier two votes, which again, I know you have coaches. It feels like the coaches can be really tough on the guys. Is that generally the history of this exercise? - Somewhat, I mean, the coaches, yes, in general, the personnel guys are gonna be more trade-space. It's the interesting, like, the coaches were way higher in air and Rogers than the personnel guys are. They like all the little things that-- - We'll try to help him do. - Even though we can't get out of his own way with his legs. So, they love a guy who, I think that's why Dak moved up too, frankly, I think Dak is kind of what quarterbacks used to be. Not that he's a great quarterback, but he's very good, running the show. The guy knows what's going on, everything out there. I think that can appeal to coaches. Whereas, you know, a personnel guy's gonna be like, on Rogers, he's gonna be like, the guy can't move, I'm scared to death. We don't have another guy. I'm not gonna make it into the season. And by the way, he's gonna go, you know, on McAfee and say some things, and my owner's gonna be, look at me sideways. You know, I just think that I think there's a divide in how they see some of these guys. Who do you think teams would rather have the next five years, my home's around? That's such a great question. I think it's close. I mean, they probably would still go my homes, but I don't know what I would do for the next five years. What would you do? I wouldn't even entertain the question 12 months ago. And I think I'd still take my homes because I feel like his command of everything, I just don't think that that's going to like not happen again. So I guess I would still take my homes, but I can't believe I'm even like having to think about it. - And the other thing about Josh Allen is, you know, he is, you know, he really does run a different way, you know, and I think that that will slow down for him too at a certain time. Is it in the next five years it could be? I mean, we saw Cam Newton hit a wall, you know, and he's as impressed as physically as any quarterback you'll ever see, you know, amazing. When you're on the field with Cam Newton, you're like, that is a different guy and he got to a point where it just wasn't there, his arm was banged up and he couldn't do it quickly. You know, he's Josh Allen going to be great at 3940. We'll see. - Okay, so the Allen part that I do get defensive for Allen on is the playoff stuff. And there's a quote that you have in there. I think it's from a coach where it's like, hey, you know, he'll win you one and he'll lose you one. That fumble in that territory against Denver, like he's got to stop doing that. And I read that and go stop doing that as if that's what he's doing all the time. And this is the part of the Allen conversation that drives me fucking crazy is you go, okay, so let's go through all the playoff losses. He's got four to Kansas City where they probably, like three of them are at Kansas City, so you're expected to win. The average points allowed in those four games is 35 points per game. You want to ding them for the Cincinnati playoff loss? Go ahead. But over his career, his completion percentage goes up, his touchdown percentage goes up, his QB rating goes up, his interception percentage goes down by half. He is a better player in the playoffs. And when he has these bad moments in that Denver game, it's sold to us as the continuation of the Allen playoff failure. When, in fact, there's still far more good, if not great, than there is bad. And yet people can't stop doing this. I'm totally, I'm, well, he did happen, they're sloppy. Sure, the last game did happen, but I'm with you. And when people ask me like, why, they asked you about tier one, and why isn't Lamar Jackson getting the benefit of that in the tier one. I think the durability of tier one hinges largely on how you perform in the playoffs, and then you're passing. Not just your running, but your passing. And I think Josh Allen in the playoffs just dialed this up now since I put it, I think since 2019, 29 touchdowns, six interceptions in the playoffs. Like Lamar is eight touchdowns, six interceptions. There's a little bit of a difference, right? When they get packaged, they'll get packaged the same way sometimes, like, I've seen the TV shows go like, I think how come we get on Lamar, but we don't get, and you're like, are you serious? Like do we need to do this? Absolutely, and yeah, absolutely. And even when I have, when I have the play, I'll just do it since, I think 19 will cover us, but if I do it here, since 2018, just to be safe, Stafford Mahomes and Josh Allen are all way above average and their EPA per pass play, like really good. Burrows above average and Lamar's below average, you know? So, to me, that's why Allen should not have a reputation as being a playoff choke artist. I do think though that he could be better in certain situations at protection of the football and just regulating, it was a hard thing to do when you're, you know, when you're that dynamic 'cause you wanna kind of go for it too, but I do think he, I do think that's an area he could probably help himself a little bit, and then obviously them as a coaching staff will do the 13 second game. So, you know, a lot of things are different with some things helping him as well. Stafford at 38. Love seeing him in tier one, makes sense, and considering we're like, hey, how long? Like, how many seasons have we gone in going? Like, I don't know if his back is gonna hold up. This was another one, then he wins MVP. And I think the best thing in the explanation of it and certainly watching is that vague knows you can kind of do whatever he wants with them. Like, they can change things, they can game plan, they can change personnel, and there's never any like, hey, we can't, we can't trust our guy to do this. Like, Stafford seems to pick it up immediately. He's frustrating for the defense because he can beat your pressure, you know. When the pressure's in his face, he may make with the great play, the great decision. He's very hard to fool. And I think MacVase did a great job the last couple of years. Some of this is with the 13 personnel, but just regulating how much you're going to just peer drop back past. I think he fell in love with that with Stafford. His ability to really just sling it and be from the gun and throw it around was refreshing for him after a golf who's good, but not on the same level. And I think he's just kind of reg that it nicely now to where making it somewhat easier for Stafford, but he can still do the highest degree of difficulty when you need it. Barrow is the only other tier one quarterback. So for this, he had 46 of 50 votes in the first tier. Is there, though, a bit of a reputation thing here, keeping him higher than you expected? I mean, a little bit. I'm surprised he wouldn't lose some more on the durability component, you know, he missed five games last year. I do think the 2024 season is the greatest argument for tier one, not only for him, but also the Marjacks. And two guys had really bad defenses. I mean, really bad. And had their teams in it in the Marjacks case, won a lot of the games. And in Barrow's case, he did everything he could, you know, I mean, he has, I think I put this in there. He has a 10 and 5 record in games where he scored 30 or more points. That's like the, you think, well, 10 and 5 is good. No, it's the worst record of any of the regular quarterbacks, because he's scored 30 or more. You're going to win 90% not Barrow. So people love his ability as a passer. And I think this, where he's at shows you tier one definition, carries his team every week. Yep, that's the Marjacks, that's Barrow. Expertly handles peer pass situations. That's Barrow more than the Mar in the Isle of People in the League. And doesn't really have a hole in his game. That's more Barrow than the Mar, according to people in the league, even though the Mar is at multiple time MVP, who is going to have a great Hall of Fame case, in my opinion. That's where Lamar enters the conversation. The top of tier two. So that's 22 first place votes, 28 tier two votes for him. And it felt like a lot of it had to do with the decline in rushing and that it's not just, I mean, if you look at the yards, they fall off a cliff from last year, this year. It's also four less games. But it almost felt like this vote was a result of projecting based on the lack of run game from him in 25. Yeah, like if he had had a Jo Barrow passing season in the absence of the rushing, I think he would still be in tier one. And really, let's be honest, we need to four people to vote him into tier one, and he would have made it. But he is still his totals in tier one or way down from last year. I think at 46 votes in tier one last year. So there's a big shift on that. And I think, yeah, he didn't look like he wanted the run. You know, and I don't think he did. I think he was banged up. I think we're also seeing more times with him where when he does run, he doesn't just automatically make a dynamic play. Somebody tackles him in the open field. There was a game last year against Cleveland early in the game. He's down, you know, right away. And you can see the frustration sometimes, right? I mean, he's almost like wants to throw the ball down. That shouldn't be happening to Superman. So, you know, where's this headed? I don't, obviously, people aren't, not enough people are betting on it being tier one. Herbert, sixth. Explain the divide among personnel, people, and coaches. Because this seemed to be significant. Yeah, this is a case where, typically, the personnel people are going to like traits more. And so you love the traits with Justin Herbert. He's really everything you would want just about in a quarterback. I do think coaches get a little, you know, coaches are like.
You know, it should translate more into the way that he plays. And so the way I phrase it with him is at what point do reasons become excuses for a player? Right? There's reasons why he hasn't won more in the playoffs or they haven't had the team success or even sometimes that he hasn't had a great season statistically. And there are good reasons in a lot of cases you lose your team. Your offense is built on your line with two tackles and you lose them, or the weaponry that he's had, or you're with an organization that's had scope rivers and Justin Herbert for 20 plus years and hasn't won the division since 2009. There's all these other things that you could kind of point to if you want to, but at a certain point, people are want to see the result and it looks like to me the coaches want to see him before the personnel guys in this case. Historically, who do you think has had the better read on quarterbacks in 13 years of doing this? Like who's better at it, coaches or personnel people? That's a great question. I would probably, if I had to trust one, I would probably lean towards the personnel and then make my own adjustments based on what their biases can be. Because I feel like coaches can give you more detail and more specific reasons, but they're also going to probably fall into a little bit of how easy would this guy to be to coach or is he a great fit with what I want to do? When the job of coaching, I think the best coaches do this is, hey, this is what I've got. How do I make the most of it? But when the coaches talk about what they really would like to have, it's not always what they have as much. That makes sense to you. They can be a little bit more finicky, especially as you get down to the, I'm talking, I'm talking, I guess, largely about offensive coaches. Say, offensive coaches are their votes can say as much about them as they do the quarterbacks more show than others. I think defensive coaches are different from offensive coaches in terms of who's harder to fend is a little bit of a different question. Yeah, no, that doesn't make sense, but I seem to, when I read the quotes every year, I feel like I'm constantly disagreeing with the coaches and I'm usually agreeing with the person LP, and I think Herbert's the epitome of that. Now, look, Herbert's resume is, it's tough to defend at this point. Like, I get it. Somebody goes, like, hey, if he's the guy and we don't have any playoff wins here, like, what are we doing? I thought they were a mess last year. Again, they can't keep their offensive line healthy. I think that impacted his play. And I would be happy. Like, if he were a free agent tomorrow, there's probably 27 teams. It would be like, okay, like, can we figure this out and make it happen? Absolutely. 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I think that's probably on the higher side for him. I think the tier three vote is laughable. Even if you don't like Dak, you can't have him in tier three. Even if there's some of the criticisms that I'll go, okay, I understand because statistically, the profile tells you this guy's like a tier one. I don't think any of us necessarily feel that way. But no, tier three, I was like, come on, man, that felt like a defensive coach. I thought it was an offensive coach. Was it? I think so, but yeah, yeah, I think I quoted him in there, I believe. Yeah, and you talk to 50 people, you're going to get, sure, you know, you're going to get some outlier opinions. There's some people that, but I'll tell you this, there's somebody, there's another person in this that voted on a two who a few years ago thought he was a three, a few years ago. And he actually texted me when he was doing his ballot. He's like, the guy was most impressed with, I've changed the most on his back. I just think he's really, he's really good, you know, and he did move up. He got almost as many tier one votes this year. It was like 12 or 13 as he got in his whole career before and I didn't really understand that. Did he do something totally new last year? But I do think in an era when the quarterbacks are younger and younger and paint by numbers offense, I think there's some respect for the guys who are in command of the show and run it and look like a pro quarterback. And I think Dak does that. Also, does it help him that he didn't lead his team to the playoffs last year and lose in the first round with a bad team? Does it, does it help him? There's distance between him and his last playoff loss? Because that's always been like he chose definitely off, but he hasn't in a long time. It absolutely has everything. I mean, it's like the Jalen hurts conversation. Like, once we get to him, you're going to go, oh, this is a bit of the correction on like, I guess we have to, because this guy just won the Super Bowl. We have to put him up here. When I don't know that anybody really thought that Jalen hurts as a top 10 quarterback. If we traded those two quarterbacks right now, the betting lines would change a lot and people would think the Eagles are going to be better and the Cowboys are not as good, right? Yeah, I'd rather have Dak with the Eagles, then hurts, even with the resume that hurts his hat. I don't even think that that should be a discussion. To finish out, the rest of the top 10, golf ties with Dak. So that's eight and then Jordan Love at 10. The Jordan Love stuff was really interesting, because it's kind of like, it felt like people were going back and watching the tape, and you're like, God, damn, is this guy good. But I didn't think I would like him this much. It just felt like a lot of the stuff that keeps him in this conversation where, I mean, you want to get on Herbert's resume, you could do the same thing with Love. Except Love had the big playoff winning against Dallas, which helped him. Well, sure. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not zeroes, but I, you know, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So it didn't feel almost like some of the support was kind of like reging like, hey, this guy's been productive for a few years. I watch him and wonder how sometimes, the guy forces the ball, pushes it down the field. And I think that shouldn't be working. Some of the stuff he does, and it worked. It's worked enough that like, I got to tip my cap to him. I think that was one of the comments in there. So he's somebody who like, I feel like if they, you know, strad is a little bit this way too, but way more exaggerated is like his offensive line was probably the thing that was talking about Love, you know, if that were to be improved this year, I think would help him a lot. I think that was probably one of their weaknesses. And so I don't know if it's going to improve this year, but if it does, I think he could, he could move up again. Do you think because of the access and more information to voters who've gotten smart on this, like Burrow is still up there because of the offensive EPA. The last three seasons was 29. So you go like, hey, you guys can think that Burrow and health is you take more of a thing, but like that's three years of one of the worst defenses in the league. I think there's some DAC stuff around him where this starts to feel like why I would always argue about Stafford with Detroit is you're going, there's harder, it's hard to find a lease or a less supported quarterback, run game defense special teams than the combination of what Stafford had around him in Detroit. And I think there's some arguments again for Burrow and certainly somebody like DAC when you go, hey, what's he supposed to do? He's supposed to run in a lead offense. They've been in a lead offense now for multiple years there with him. So yeah, I actually think I'm going to flip that around. I think that the coaches and the people in the league have been cognizant out of the years. I think the fans are getting smarter about it. And I think it's helping us because when I started doing quarterback tears, let's say 2014, it was around the time of is Joe Flacco elite. Remember that? Yeah. Well, no one in the league would be saying with all due respect to Joe Flacco, good quarterback who played a lead in the Super Bowl run. I mean, he's a good to good quarterback, but no one in the league would be saying he was a lead for the most part. But that was actually a debate in media at the time. So I do think that the public has gotten more of the public has gotten smarter about what really matters and seem the nuance in those things. Okay. A year later, we did the Caleb Williams conversation. And as a Caleb Williams guy, it shook me. I was shook for days. It was really, really negative. Yeah. And now he's sitting here firmly in tier 2 as the 11th best quarterback. What was the conversation like this year, especially with the people that really felt like they were beating up on him, kind of the person as much as the player? Well, last year, I think there was a great quote last year. This guy's heater going to be a two or a four real quick. And the implication was it depended on how he responded to a really difficult first year. And some tough coaching it was going to get with Ben Johnson. And I would say he responded pretty well. It was a really good reassuring season. People did like Caleb Williams coming out. Nobody thought he wasn't the number one pick in the draft. The first season was a negative one all the way around. And there were a lot of, I believe a lot of coaches on that staff or people that were there, fed into there was a super negative article that came out, not with the athletic, nothing to do with me, but came out for last season basically questioning everything about his approach. So maybe that would
a little heavy-handed with Caleb Williams. And talent definitely came to the fore this year. I still am not 100% sure how he held the ball even longer per play and didn't take sacks nearly as much. That's a hard thing to do, but he did it. It wasn't like he was throwing the ball away all the time. His complete percentage didn't fall off the charts. So I think people do feel now like he saved it. And we'll see if the consistency can be there to go into tier one, the talent is definitely there to do it. When you are that much of a magician running around, though, you're going to have less consistency in your game for better a lot of the time. And sometimes for worse. So 36 tier two votes, 14 tier three. I look, I got to just follow up a little bit more on it. Like of the people that were so negative on him going into this last year, was there anyone that was like, Hey, I like the talent, but I was wrong about him or this surprised me because I think the last images we have him, even with the playoff loss to the Rams, but specifically like that package game, you realize like, Hey, his ability right now can carry. I'm not saying he's those tier one guys yet, but there was a lot on him to solve a lot of their problems. I thought in the playoffs. Ryan, let me look at that because in what's top of my head, we've talked to that many people. The panel changes some. I off top of my head, I would have to look and see who said what last year and come back to it. That's probably a good thing for me to do. That's a great thing for me to do. I'll look at that. I like that because there's no doubt that first year left, you know, read a lot of people the wrong way and raise some amplified some questions about him. So you know, that's, that's a great, a great exercise. I just don't have it at the top of my head. Yeah. And look, there's still, when you look at some of the advanced stuff with him, you're right because the length of time he's holding out of the football, which is really about his scrambling. It's not, you know, that number's been packaged is probably one of the most misleading numbers you can see on a television broadcast. It's like, well, he's had plenty of time to throw. It's like, well, some of these people that doesn't mean anything. He ran around for 12 seconds and raised it by 12, you know, it might mean his protection is terrible. I think with Caleb in his first year, it was very predictable of young quarterbacks. It's like as soon as the first reason there, as soon as I'm feeling any kind of pressure like, hey, in college, I could just run away from everybody the entire time. Like this is what I'm comfortable doing. Young dual threat quarterbacks love to do that stuff. You almost have to coach them out of it. But there's always like a bad throw percentage thing with him. That's, that's, that's high. It's higher for him than the elites, not to say that there isn't somebody but like, you know, Alan at his best is like a 13% bad throw percentage. My home's like a 13, even though I think he ticked up to like 18 this past year. And Caleb's been north of 20, I think, both seasons where if you track that stuff, you're like, okay, well, that number, that number has to get into the teens here somewhere. And I would think he would, based on his talent, in what we saw the jump from year one to year two. Yes. To me, for him to get into tier one, it's some more automatic stuff in the flow of the offense, right? Balancing that out and just getting better within that. I think he did get better this last year. It probably helped him to have coach with a lot of juice and credibility to get his attention. I think that, you know, you could make the case that that wasn't, there weren't guys who could do that with him last year. And Ben Johnson did it and helped both of them. And if he can get, if he can do more consistency within the framework of an offense that's very well-schemed, I think that could help him and still have this spectacular play when he didn't play off the play against the Rams that we'll never forget, you know, that's still going to be there. But the coaches oftentimes don't like a bunch of unpredictability. The offensive coaches don't love a bunch of unpredictability when they're trying to call a game. And so be a little bit more predictable. Do you think more people would rather have Drake May than Caleb? I don't know about that. I feel like Caleb Williams' talent ceiling is higher. You know, his highs could be higher and Drake May maybe is, I don't want to say safer, but just a little more stable. Now, Drake May's sack rate is very high and stayed high the two years. So we'll see what the future holds for him, but I don't think people would be overwhelmingly Drake May. I think you'd get, I could even see Caleb Williams having more interest. Yeah, I mean, to run through it again, for anybody that's playing along here, Mahomes, Allen, one, two, Stafford, three, Borough, four, then Tier Two or Lamar, Herbert, Dach, and then I Drake May was tied with Gough at eighth. And that's what led us into Jordan. Love him to talk about Caleb here at 11 the entire time. So I kind of jumped over Drake a little bit here. I think the good thing for Drake is that he is someone that now feels like the personnel should be even better this year. Like this was a way ahead of schedule, Super Bowl appearance. The roster is completely overhauled. And when you overhaul that many roster members, normally we're not looking at that roster saying like, hey, that's one of the five best rosters in the NFL. Nobody would say that about the Patriots, even after they played in the Super Bowl. And bringing an AJ Brown and like after this year with May, you'd have to think that like it just has to get better because it's kind of remarkable. He had an MVP caliber season considering the lack of investment on his side of the ball. Yeah, I thought he, I thought aid was was pretty optimistic on him when you've considered how bad it ended. You know, he was obviously, I think it was hurt in the Super Bowl. And even before that. And so, you know, he was a went out with a third really and still got eighth. I thought that was pretty strong for him. All right. Who do you think is more respected, rock, party, or Baker Mayfield? Because they're right next to each other, correct? Yeah, they're right next to each other. That's a tough question. I think Baker is respected for different things. I think he's respected for kind of his journey and the way that he plays with with swagger and fearlessness and the way teammates seem to rally around him. He's even being kind of fearless in this thing with the bucks where he's going public and kind of being salty about it. I think he's respected for that. Whereas, he's more respected for his efficiency, just his, probably his consistency. But they're always going to stay with him in that system. That in that system thing is always a part of it with him because of Kyle Shanahan. So, I don't think, I think it's just a different kind of respect. This is a good answer because that's kind of what I took from it. You could argue that May is it eighth based on the overreaction just participating in a Super Bowl. Maybe the way that we had with Hurts last year. But I was kind of proud of the panel on the Donald vote. Yeah, no tier one votes. You would have thought somebody was going to do it after what he's done the last couple of years. They win a Super Bowl, but maybe back to the better understanding of the support around him is that Donald's had incredible defensive support as you'd expect with this whole thing. Anybody that has a good defense, especially to go in that kind of run, like there's going to be games where you're going to have to actually be the guy and Donald has those as well. So it's not like, hey, we're throwing through our 120 yards and never want you to throw it past the line of scrimmage. He's had huge games that show off his talent. I was I was proud of the panel on this one. Not that I necessarily even think that he should land here, but that has top 10 written all over it in other years coming off the season. He just did. I totally agree. I think it's now I did go back and look when he was he was in this poll twice with as a jet and he was in tier three both times and we sort of think of that as this horrible time, which didn't end well and then it got that worse for him. But I think this is a perfect place for him because tier two is carries his team sometimes not every week like in tier one handles the pure pass. You know, we're both teams know we have to pass handles it in doses has a hole or two in this game. That is him because it's not like anybody right now off of last season goes, Hey, I think Seattle should just saddle up and run run their team and offense through him, right? We're not doing that. But in the championship game against the Rams when he had to do it. He did it. He can do it. You just don't want to ask him to do it every week. And that's fine. You can win the Super Bowl if you have a good enough team in that context. Perfect for me. Mid to lower part of tier two. That leads us to the end of tier two where Jaylen Hertz sits as 17th ranked quarterback in this piece. So ninth last year and you know, there's the Hertz is the Hertz is like a really tough bar conversation, right? You're sitting there and you're going like, I think he's like average, you know, and then you go, how do you say is that? But I think Hertz, he should, again, he's saying that like that can't win you a Super Bowl. Hertz, proof of concept to me proves that that could also win you a Super Bowl. And look, we've had, it doesn't mean you'd prefer to have the lesser quarterback. But you know, the Jaylen, I think opens up the conversation for some of these other guys that people get real definitive on where I'm like, that's a, that's a really tough final summary on somebody to see go, this guy can never win a Super Bowl when Jaylen Hertz is played in two of them. I was with him. I think he's in a great spot. I'm kind of glad he didn't like, you know, he's right at the bottom of tier two. I'm glad he's not in tier three because it would just amplify this even more. But he, I feel like he could be in tier three a year from now. You know, you don't feel like it's turning in the right direction. If you're, I think he's a great one to play the game with how many teams traded a quarterback for him. It's, it's fewer than you would think for somebody with his pedigree. And then Eagles fans, how do you feel if they did a top of the
the market deal with them right now and they were really cash, cap, committed to them harder for the next three years. I don't know if that would be the best move that people would want to see the make. And that probably answers your question about where he's at. Is there anything else that we need to discuss on this? Because whenever I feel like I'm being honest about it, I feel like I'm being negative when that's not what you're supposed to do with somebody with his resume. But like sometimes I think I feel like it's been three years of mostly negative. Given his due, grudgingly conversations around him, even with the voters, there's no one who goes, oh, yeah, I mean this guy does X, Y, and Z so well. You don't hear that about him. And I always say, sometimes the voters, you know, the votes say as much about the voters, but it's just something about I think the quarterbacks too and it's probably why he is where he is. I wonder how it's going to look without having to go ball guys on both sides of the field too. Yeah, no one thinks that Jay and Hurt just going to go out there and slice and dice you with a bunch of intermediates throws and and you know making use of the five eligible in that way, you know. So as his career goes along, he's not going to get, not that he's a huge scramble now, but his legs aren't going to get better over time. Does he have enough as a passer to be a later career successful starter on a team that isn't just absolutely loaded? Tier three, Bolognix at the top. He had one tier one vote. Says more about the voters in my opinion. Sometimes there are, I see this sometimes with like offensive coaches. Sometimes they'll be like an octave higher on everybody. And I think it's because they think if they got this guy, they could do great with them. And so you'll have occasionally you do 50 people. You're going to have somebody that has seven quarterbacks in tier one and one of them you weren't sure on, you know, and you're going to have someone else who has two in tier one and that's how Josh Allen has, you know, a tier two vote. So grain assault on it. I don't think, I don't even think that guy thinks that Bolognix is the same as my home. Sorry. Well, no, I don't, you know, you could still put tier ones on guys. It doesn't mean that you think he's, he's necessarily my home. I would say as somebody that doesn't have huge expectations on Bolognix, I think he had a lot of really great moments last season. And so maybe something to build on. So I feel a little bit better about him. But I think him landing at like 18. I go, how many other people in front of him? Do you really want to argue that he's better than right now? Yeah. I think it's a very reasonable range for him to be in despite like the look if they have been healthy at home with him playing like who knows? This guy might be coming off a super bowl bump in the tier rankings. Yeah. That's why I love doing the 50 people. It kind of evens out in the guy. For the most part, if if I did five guys, what if all those were the five that did put him in tier two, then you're like, wait, I mean, he's a tier two. You got to talk to enough people to get it to settle out. And I feel it's perfect. Okay. Two more quick ones. Rodgers with a tier one vote and a tier four vote. How often does that happen? Very rarely it. It's happened usually when there's a huge question about injuries. Like like Deshaun Watson maybe got a one enough for when he was, you know, coming off not just the injuries, but obviously the civil lawsuits and all that people didn't know really what to expect from him. You know, Rodgers is the by far the biggest divide of any one where the coaches are higher on them than the in the personal guys. It's the biggest divide. Did the tier one voter not pay his television bill the last two tier one voter is a prominent person who's highly regarded. And I think just I think it's a respect vote. I wonder to sometimes if he's like, I should look, is that guy playing in this year? And he's like, I don't want to. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not jinxed. He's going to light us up that one week. But there's no way. To me, that's just, you talk to you. You're going to get somebody who I got to give him the one he's there in Rodgers. Respect the hell out of them. C.J.'s fall seems significant. 37 tier three votes. He hit 13 tier three votes combined the previous two years. The league on C.J. Stroud going into this year. So he debuted because I don't have rookies in. So after his rookie season, he debuted in tears at number eight. And then it wasn't as good the next year, but he's still only slipped to nine. And then I think fell to 20 now. So two years in a row now of him struggling behind admittedly shaky offensive line, not seeming to be able to handle that well and seeming to be on the verge of developing some bad habits maybe from from the press release found leaves him in a situation where I think he could climb back up, but they've really got to have that offensive line settled for him. Maybe he has too much on his plate otherwise. And in this new offense, not new, but second year, that traditionally asks more of the quarterback compared to the one they had before, which was sort of the, you know, the the Shanahan offense, which can be easier for the quarterback. Trees out last thing tear four feels boring and void of hope. Yeah. Yeah, so let me just let me pull it up here to look at it. Yeah, when I went through tier three, looking for anyone who go to tier one next year and didn't really see anybody, I do think that Tyler Shuck at the end of that is the one to circle the end of tier three, because the people that played him, there's not that many people that played him. So if you didn't play him in sandals colony on this, you give him off tier four, none of that info. But he got four, four votes in tier two already, 21 and tier three for playing half of a season. People like him. So just circle him as somebody that like the wouldn't surprise me if he was a top guy from that draft class next year. Tier four, you're right. Willis, tough situation. Geno Smith will probably be better than he was last year, but still the Sean Watson scene, that movie, Pentix, not looking good. J.W. Brissette, end of the line. And then J.J. McCarthy and Shadoor combined for 22 tier five votes. There's not even a tier five. If you go to the athletic, there's no one in tier five. So some of the guys that over the years helped me come up with the tiers were like, why do you even have a tier five? You shouldn't have it. And I said the reason I have it is because I want to know, I want to differentiate from tier four, which can be not enough info. Or I think you're a solid third. Tier five is meaning a vote in tier five means I don't think you can play. And so J.J. McCarthy got 10 of those already. And Shadoor Sanders got 12. That's very unusual for young players. Usually you'd be like, Hey, the jury's out. We give them a four. Like the jury came back in like record time, which is never good for the defendant. Well done. Thanks so much for the time. If you want to read along, there's even more in there. You can even vote, which is a new option, which I was kind of having fun with this morning. Mike Sando the athletic to QB tears. It's out now. Thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it. I don't think there's anything worse than the feeling of missing out on Sunday NFL. 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[email protected]. I was looking at a map the other day and I was looking at some water access and then I started looking down at the Kipsey. The Kipsey is right on what is the same longitude as as Hartford? Well, yeah, that's an interesting fact. I thought you were going to go further east because you start looking at some of those longitudes from Europe compared to the states and it blows your mind. Blows your mind. But now also,
Yeah, makes you think like you think there's somebody who's a flat Earther who's listening right now like the laundry. Yeah, no shit. How's everybody summer going? Well, there was some hesitation there. I was going to let Saru to go first, but go ahead. No, it's just great. I went to we had a nice weak family trip near a cancer around life. Two kids, one girl, eight, a ton of sand. She seems to be okay. She looks there. Gans it. I've had their beer. They have good sand. Yeah, it's good sand. Yeah, it is good sand. So that was fun. I've gotten a lot of shit about my take on the the guy who's in law. I was dating his sister, right? So that's been fun. He was just a content boy though. We didn't get enough in the meantime at all. It's always funny when we tape those things and then you forget what did I say? Because we tape it so long ago. I don't really remember. So I went back and listen and I'm like, was I that big of a tool? You took a real stance. That's all. I did come off as more mad than I wanted to be. So that kind of asked me out for a few days because I'm like, man, my mind just that big of a loser is not reading stuff. So other than that, it's been good. You got to stand for something or you'll fall for everything, right? No, what they say. So I agree with that, man. I don't know, but it's one of the important ones because it's stuck in my head. I've been doing a little Western kick. I'm doing the Resilla Book Club. I read gunfighters, which we've yet to drop yet. So you're going to it's going to fire you up. And then now I'm listening. You read it. I read it. And now how great is it? It's awesome. It's so good. It's like the perfect book. You know what I think? It's a great book for people that don't read. Nailed me damn, but it's so it's funny enough that I am now audio booking Lonesome Dove because you were loving it. And it's great. I got it through the library. Coach Yoast from remember the Titans is narrating it. So pretty good. Like 30% through that audio book. Yeah, I know you're going to have something to say about it, but that's all right. That's all right. I respect it Kyle. That's awesome. Yeah. And there's like a real actor doing it. It's not just like the guy who reads all the audio books. There's like four guys who you can like recognize if you listen to enough of it, but this is Coach Yoast, which is pretty good. And I'm back in deadwood. I just kind of slunk back into like a Western every once in a while. Like the West will take over my life for a little bit. So we're right in the throes of it. Yeah, I had mentioned to Kyle that I saw Spider-Man, the new Spider-Man. He also saw he was he'll look on his face. He was very disappointed. I was surprised. I enjoyed it. I liked it a lot. I wasn't disappointed. I was just saying at the last time I went to the theaters before that was Odyssey. And I left there like that was a movie. So that's all. It was five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine as a tough transition. Yeah. Now like watching threes company after an episode of the wire. So what a pull. Yeah. I almost went to the Odyssey when I was in France. And I was like, wait a minute. Is this going to be a problem? The best use of my time? Or is this going to be a French? I don't know. I mean, that was there like 16, 17 days. So I mean, you can't be you can't be dinners and exploring every single night. So yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I don't know most most every other night. But yeah, I was like, I didn't so I haven't seen it yet. Obviously, I'll figure it out. I would imagine 70 millimeter somewhere here in LA back when it was done Kirk. Because I remember I went with Bushman to interstellar. It was like a date to go to Columbus Circle, I think. And we were just like, Hey, and it's only running for this many days. And then we have to go. And then I think I'm going to dunk her by myself to fully get the 70 millimeter experience. Well, Odyssey kind of spurred that conversation. They put like a map of all the 70 millimeter iMacs. And it's like, you can count them on your fingers and toes and like eight of them are in Los Angeles. Yeah. I think our closest one is Danberry funny enough. But I didn't go to Danberry to watch. There is one at Danberry. I thought it was New York City. I don't know. That's what people are around here saying, but you know, that could just be an urban myth. Danberry's like, you know, big. Can we look that up? Because that doesn't make any sense. There is a pretty big AMC at Danberry. Let me see. There used to be one in at the Mystic Aquarium. Because I saw Dunkirk with Adnan there. Name two clips up. And that was no lie. I mean, Adnan being there was great. But that was the greatest movie experience in my life, I think. Does he talk during the movie? Not 70 millimeter. He did not. Not 70 millimeter in Danberry. I just had a hard time believing that the people in the 70 millimeter world were like, all right, New York LA, and we'll get one in Chicago. And look, have you guys heard about the Lids selection at Danberry mall? All right. Standard IMAC stuff. We don't have an IMAC right here. That's all. All right. Let's get to some emails. There are a million here for sorority. So I'll just read one of them. It did kind of fuck me up a bit, man. I can tell. Everybody wants that attention until you start getting some of that heat. Go ahead. I'll just read. I have stuff to say, but I'll just hear what they have to say. All right, sorority had a legendary bad life advice. I love the show, but after listening to how worked up sorority got on the life advice about the brother-in-law dating the guy's sister, I had to write it and tell you how badly you handled giving advice to the man, especially sorority. Basically, sorority is getting worked up with the thought of a sister dating someone that she is no way related to. Welcome to the world for all of us who have sisters. They often end updating someone. And if that someone isn't related to them, you generally just have to be cool with it. It's very strange, sorority felt so against this. As someone with multiple brother-in-laws, all I could hope for is a brother-in-law is that they're nice, fun to talk to, and no sports. The brother-in-law and the life advice segment should be thrilled with the prospect of having a friend as a potential brother-in-law or even just a sister dating somebody actually enjoys hanging out with the family functions. I don't know that I mean, again, we've read this. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Look, what are you talking about? At least if you're going to critique me and I'm not saying that I'm 100% right. Yeah, I have two sisters. This isn't like, "Hey, they can never date someone." This would be like if they dated my wife's brother. That's not the same as just dating a dude. Because I had to be like, "Well, they just date people. It's not your decision to choose. I'm not saying they can't do it. I'm just saying I find it a little bit weird." Your stance wasn't that way, and it's wrong to date forever. Right. Just playing around. Our guys should be encouraging this relationship for his own sake. This is not weird in any way. Again, they're not actually blood-related in any way. Welcome to the world where your sister sometimes has a boyfriend. Again, maybe I'm just. This could be totally my fault and I came off as arguing that it's because they're related. That's not what I'm saying. I know they're not related. It just fucks up. It could fuck up family dynamics. It's weird. It's strange. I find. And I don't think that anyone would be like, "I'm wrong because there clearly were some people who were very vocal to me that they would be super pumped about this. So I'm happy for you. I would find it a little bit strange." I said the thing to you, Ryan, about like, "Oh, what are you going to get married?" Which is a dumb thing for me to say. I shouldn't have said that because that's not even how I feel. You shouldn't have to go in this relationship thinking you're going to get married. I get that. My way was that if there's no end game and there's this bad breakup, then Christmas is for the rest of your life can be kind of weird. Somebody's not coming over or just being law or kind of awkward about stuff. You are putting that can happen though, kind of with any dynamic. Not some random guy as the other email or one or the other. Yeah, but the random guy could also like, I get your point on that, but if the standard is I want to protect fully functioning Christmas is moving forward, they could also be derailed for other reasons that happen. Okay, but we're not arguing about other reasons. I don't… I can't. One more of the email or we don't even know if that's fine. It seems like a bad faith argument email, but I think he's taking it to an extreme that Surrey was not exactly like he's assuming that a lot like Surrey wasn't saying your sister can't date anybody. I'm not saying this is incestuous, yeah. But I mean, I would say you're protective, you're protective male in your family tree. I would stop my sister's who would agree with that. Yeah, I think they would agree with that. There were some people that brought up the Italian thing that I actually dismissed the Italian thing and I was being the Hardo Italian loser who was just being mad for no reason, which I will say I was I did not like how I came off as angry in that. Don't write down that I was mad. I'm not mad. But that's not how… So that's on me. That's my fault. I was I got work… I think I got more worked up because I wasn't able to quite articulate my argument that I wanted to. I wasn't mad about the guy's scenario. Listen, dude, you could date whoever you want. I don't really care. I have the right to judge you and think it's kind of weird, but you it doesn't mean I'm telling you you can't do it. Going back and listening to yourself is usually not a ton of fun. It's something you definitely need to do a lot of if you want to be on the air in the beginning. Although if your instincts are terrible as a person, you might listen to yourself, be fucking terrible and then go, I'm killing it. There's a host I'm thinking of right now that guaranteed he has some of the worst takes imaginable and I guarantee if he listens to himself, he's just going nailed it again. Nailed it again. We don't need to read any more of the email. There was a lot of that. Good ones with any like legitimate arguments. I don't know. No. I don't think there was one that was like… But I knew I knew it was the same thing for me. I'm like, wait a minute. What happened? I did have a few people reach out and be like, hey, I have a I have this situation and I'm pumped about it because I have my sister dates, a guy I'm really good friends with and that's great. I'm happy for you. But I feel like that's not that you're the outlier probably in that situation. I look, I can at least understand if it's your buddy and you kind of know too much about him. Yeah. Keep it through the trenches. Man. So like, is any of this going to change? It's used to not be my business and now it's my business and I
hate it. Right. So, okay. Let's go back to a non-relations one. A lost dog versus missing workout. 6-3, 185 pre-goggles, Kirk Heinrich, player comp, Kirk Heinrich and Paul. All right. So here's a situation. By the subject, you can probably get the gist. I have a two-year-old, a five-month-old, and my wife is a physician assistant in women's health surgery. Surgery day, she has to leave by 6.30 a.m. sharp. No real wiggle room with that. Very similar to the life of radio host. Thank you. Prisoner of the clock, if you know what I mean. We do. I wake up at 4.30, get my run and then go lift. Cardiope before the gym, huh? Wow. This guy's after it. So no criticism whatsoever. This time, there was a Husky on the road and I turned into the gym and the dog had tags. It looked housebroken. Just a beautiful dog. I stopped rolled my window down and said, "Go home, girl." Then I kept it moving and did it a whole day. Am I a horrible person for not locating the puffs home and dropping it off or should I just keep believing the dog listened to me and went home after telling it to? Please advise. This happened to me a couple weeks ago and I saw someone else pulling off and I just got to turn my blinker off of what where I was going. I was going to do it and then I was like, all right, it's got this handle. So my book is okay. I'm a neighbor's dog. So our neighbor's dog likes to like once every couple of months just kind of wander. They have a electrical fence, but I think you know, she chases stuff out and whatever. And the first time we didn't know, the first time we saw the dog around, we'd like text them like, "Hey, like, you know, your dog is like missing." And like, "Oh, yeah, it's not a big deal. She just kind of does that every couple of months." You'll learn to figure that out. So maybe that's the situation. Maybe the dog was just, you know, on his escapade, making moves and you'll be fine. If it was easy to stop and pick it up and I didn't have to do something, I feel like, "Okay, yeah, you probably should." But if you have stuff to do the rest of the day, I don't know. It's not like you're just on your way out of this if you wanted to. Yeah. And I think he emotionally was like, I said something so I'm good. And if you could live with that, then I think you're fine. Yeah, I'm not super proud of it. I'm sure a two party situation would have been better to corral that fellow, but I saw one and I'm like, all right, this is handled. But again, that's me just bending reality to my will. So yeah, if you want to feel bad about it, you certainly could. And if you want to not think about it, you can certainly do that too. I don't think you should feel bad. Maybe some people think it's on you. I mean, there's a pretty good chance of dog is going to find its way home, even without your verbal direction. There's also, like, you ever seen a dog catcher in action? I remember the first time I saw it. I was like, easiest job ever. I got like pulled up. I was like, Hey, girl, open the door, dog jump right in some milk phone in there. And the cartoons, I was like, this seems far more of a hostile transaction with a dog catcher than a reality. But I'm sure there's somebody who is a dog catcher who's going to be like, Hey, it's not always that easy. And I would agree with you. Yeah, just the first time I ever saw it happen when I was a lot younger. I went, man, that was easy. I've never seen one. Maybe the big and the old HV. I don't know. I saw it. It's gone. I had a friend who found a dog and kept it. I think he was pretty lonely. Yeah, with tags. Pretty fucked up. That sucks. Yeah. Just kidnapped the dog. And he told me and I went, huh? And I was like, do you want me to tell you that's cool? Because I'm not going to. And then was it like a rare dog? Was it what kind of dog was it? I think it was a rock or a rare dog. Well, yeah, like, I don't know. I'm great. Like a pure bread. One of my stuff paid for this. Yeah. So I think he said he's like, I emailed whatever. And I didn't. I was like, how active were you in pursuing like a return of this dog? It seems like you really wanted the dog. It reminded him. Maybe if a dog we'd had in college. And then I went to visit him and I'm like, Oh, you got a dog. He's like, Well, and then he told me the whole story. I just kind of looked at him and that's where I was just like, I can't like I know I'm excited to stay and visit with you for a few days. But I going to be honest with you that can't put my stamp on this one, man. Sorry. This one seems sort of fucked up. And then he did follow up with me months later, or I guess he was walking it. And then somebody was like, Hey, I think that's my dog. And then he'd had new tags on it. And it was like, I had to come clean. And he goes, they kind of didn't care. So I felt better. So I went, OK, there you go. Full circle. So you could play that off. Like had tried. And then I just, you know, I thought it was great. And I adopted it. And here you go. And I'm sure they wouldn't ask too many questions. They're like, Oh, that's so funny, because I went to the pound. It's off. Anybody found one? They said, nobody filed a report. It's interesting. You have any evidence that you made a phone call? Yeah. So the email is instead it's called. Is it still named Brody? No, it's Pete. It's beat the dog. He only responds to beat now. Yeah. All right. That's their party. Inequality. Hello, gents, emailing in it currently 27 years old, five 11155 player comp, Davey on Mitchell, point of attack defender who can make you pay if you leave them open. Also, my childhood room was filled with Robby Hummel memorabilia. So it's been cool hearing him on the pod. Huge Robby Hummel guys here. Hopefully my question is short and sweet. I'm getting married in a handful of months in February. My groom's been her mostly comprised of long time childhood friends. My best man is planning a pretty elaborate bachelor party where we're flying to Florida for a handful of days. For context, we live in the Midwest. So Florida in the winter is going to be pretty nice. It's gonna be thick. My fiance, however, likes to keep to herself and doesn't have a huge friend group. She'd rather stay in the weekends and go out with coworkers or friends. It doesn't like to be on her phone. So she doesn't call her text anyone either, which is caused those relationships to slowly drift away because of this. Her maid of honor is a childhood friend. She doesn't get to see very often. We've only seen her once in the three years we've been together, who lives a few states away. The rest of her bridal party is made up of resistors or co-workers. She may as become closer with because of all of that. I don't think she's going to have a bachelor party. The maid of honor is also in the middle of law school and doesn't really have any relationship or connection with the rest of the bridal party. Should I feel bad and tell my buddy to do something more low key because of this quick answer no. I do feel guilty and hate the idea of going off to have a great time with my friends while she never gets to have that experience or self thoughts. Do we combine parties? Jesus do never. Do I reach out to a maid of honor or is that weird? I've asked her in the past. She's doing a party and she says she has no idea. It's up to her, which makes me assume no since no plans have ever been mentioned with the wedding fairly close. Kyle? I think this is a very specific type of person. If you let it become like an albatross, am I using that correctly? If you let it become a thing that hinders what you're going to do for the rest of your life because she's not somebody who either enjoys or wants to maintain those type of relationships, that's going to be a bummer for you. I don't know if it's super weird if you're just like, "Hey, he's getting married." I don't think it would be super weird to reach out to her maid of honor best friend and just ask if there's any plans. You don't have to ask what it is. If that would make you feel better about going, but I don't think you should hinder this. In a perfect world, this is a one-shot deal. You do this one time, so you should have a fun time. It's a matter of perspective. Her fun time doesn't look like what yours looks like. Maybe it's just a dinner. I don't know. I don't think it's crazy to reach out, try to get some intel, even if you don't want to do it directly. I don't know how you do it in a roundabout way, but I definitely wouldn't change the plans because I think her version of it could be way tone down that might not even show up on your radar or something. That would be fun. I would just try to get a little intel to see if they're actually going to do anything that counts. There's no right way to do this. I definitely wouldn't change the plans either. Yeah. As Koss said, this is like an awesome thing with your buddies that guys just don't get to do a ton in general after this. You know, you could say the golf trip thing happens, but like it doesn't happen eventually. Years go by and it's like, "Hey, we should do that trip and you just kind of never do." This is the one time that you could do that. I don't think you feel guilty about it. She has lived her life the way that she has got to this point. She's getting married so good for her and you've lived your life at this point where you've got these friends that you want to do this thing with. I don't know. Is there a way to make something special for her though? Either the lead up or after. If she's not going to have one, is there something that you can do with family? I don't know. I'm just spitballing. I don't have a great answer to it, but to make her feel special, but make her not feel left out. I'm sure it's probably going to be thinking about it. It's obviously going to be in her mind. I don't know. I don't want to say it's like a right-of-passage thing, but I think you deserve the huge trip to Florida. I don't think you should take that away from you and your buddies. It's something that just happens. I feel like she doesn't want to do one or she feels weird about it. I think this is just something that you do. This is a compliment to the emailer, but clearly you're a very compassionate person. Even a selfless lover. What I would say is you are so worried about her feelings that you're willing to sacrifice something that you're looking forward to. You absolutely 100% want to do. All of your friends want to do. It just starts to happen. You don't get to do any of this stuff anymore. If it's a priority, you have to make sure you do this stuff. Guys should be trying to figure out a way to do more stuff and guys suck at planning. You make a million excuses. Kids get involved. Half of your friends are going to have kids and be determined to never do anything fun ever again when it's just like I see too many parents where I'm like, these parents decided to continue to still do fun things and these parents decided to kind of like sign up for you.
for a life where they're like, I don't want to call it a jail sentence, but it's weird. It's kind of like your buddy, buddy, the first guy in your group that wants to be old, and that guy drives the fuck away. - Revolving the sacrifice that they were like. - Yeah, man, we're just old. It's like you're fucking 28, shut up. Like sorry, your knee hurt this week, but. - Yeah, the young guy talking about pain is really annoying. Like the young guy being like, oh, my back, and you're just like, all right, dude, you're not, you're not dead yet, like relax. - Yeah, or even socially, like, oh, I'm just getting old. And you're like, you know, you're not. Like, and by the way, don't be in a hurry. It's going to happen. I promise. - Drink a lot of water through what happens, man. - So there are, there are parents, whether it was younger parents or, you know, older parents now, where I think it all, again, kind of gets into like this subconscious selfishness that I think that we can have, where it's like, that person actually wants to shut it down. That person doesn't want to go on trips. They don't want to be, and that's fine. I mean, I'm not even criticizing it. But your wife, or soon to be wife, clearly, it's not a guilt thing. She doesn't like to do stuff, okay? I mean, if she's not even texting anybody anymore, then she's not a very social person. And that's totally fine. You lover, you want a barrier. And maybe because you're even thinking about her is what made you such an ideal partner. Because she knows how much you care. So like that, all the important stuff sounds like it's really, really good. But because she, because this is the cool part about this, is you can actually have some different personalities between the husband and wife, because she doesn't care about any of this stuff, and it's not a male or female thing. It doesn't mean that you then also have to not care about any of these things to sort of follow her pattern. And that part makes me think, like, is there any chance that you're not just caring and not just selfless and that maybe sometimes you're a bit of a pushover? So, dude, late 20s, Florida, from the Midwest, everybody wants to do it. You clearly want to do it. You having some sort of guilt trip because your wife has decided at the same age that none of this shit matters to me, which good for her, it's not even a criticism. She's not prioritizing any of that stuff. Because she isn't, doesn't mean that you need to start figuring out a way to. Yeah, if you got a weird conscious about it, know this. Weekends are probably going to slow down after the wedding. You're probably going to do those plenty of boring shit. - Plenty of nothing. - I had a view. Yeah. - It's kind of like the inverse, I love you man situation, right? What's up, Joban? Like, she has all these friends, right? And they're like, worried about him not having friends, so he has to make a friend. Like, it's, it's, but you know what's funny about that too? I don't think dudes care. Whereas I think girls would care more about a guy not having friends than dudes would care about a girl not having friends. Am I right there? A girl who has zero friends? Zero. Not zero, but. Yes. Not zero, but one that like lost him, you know? It's like, in my experience, if you find somebody who like puts this on like their Facebook wall and if she says like, I do everything for everyone and no one does anything for me, it's like poison. That's bad. That's not good. If you ever say that out loud, it's bad. That is definitely true. I did date this girl who she had trouble keeping friends. And that was a sign for sure. It's a sign. I'll leave it at that. We right back after a quick word from our sponsors. Football is back. And with Draft King Sportsbook, September comes with a boost. All September long, opt in and get a 50% profit boost every game day with the Draft King's Game Day boost pass. New Draft King Sportsbook customers sign up for the code BSS and get 50% profit boost every game day. That's code BSS and partnership with Draft Kings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER. 1-800-MyReset, Connecticut call 888-789-7777. Visit ccpg.org. On behalf of Boothill Casino in Kansas, Wagertax pass through may apply in Illinois, 21 plus in most states, Void in Canada, one football boost per customer, maximum bet limits and wadering restrictions apply. Tokens are single use and expire at the end of the final select game each day win offered. Terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. - Okay, we got a mid-life crisis one here. Hey dudes, six, two, two, 15 basketball comp in my prime, better shooting Alex Caruso in my 40s, Vinnie the Ryerson. I've got a good three minute spurt, but then I practically die on the court from poor conditioning. This guy apparently can shoot. But I had a 22.5 in high school. All right, so this guy's gonna get a bit of a resume here. A 15 point quarter. So maybe I was just always Vinnie looks comp. We don't need to start doing this, but I'll read it. Guy came up to me club in Vegas once and Sora was Tom Cruise, a lady at a fried catfish counter in Baton Rouge, thought I was Matthew McConaughey, Lincoln lawyer version. - Huge height disparity there by the way. That's crazy. That's not even believable. This is not even believable. Those are two totally different looking people. - McConaug had pushed in six foot, right? I mean, well over six foot, I think. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's six feet. - Yeah, okay. So on a few occasions, I was told I looked like Luke Wilson, Royal Tenon Bombs version. Are you just naming cool people? - I will say there's some guys that look like famous people just the way they dress, but those are just, I mean, I guess Luke Wilson and Tom Cruise, I can kind of, but the McConaughey one is just a total wild car. - I was at this dinner in France, it reminds me of this dinner I had in France. - Tell us more. - It's awesome. Come back loaded with those. - Yeah, and there was a doubt. - That's right. - He just had this look down. And then the nannies were like, is he a famous actor? And one of the nannies, well, I'm just gonna tell you on the pod, it's discussed just ridiculous, just absolutely ridiculous. And then my buddies like, yeah, they thought it was like a famous actor or something. I was like, well, will someone tell that nanny that I'm the famous one? (laughing) - I think that's bullshit. - Have you ever seen the shield? - I'm just kidding, that was this fucked up. I'm sorry. - Yeah, it was. - Yeah, I was just trying to run through guys in my head, but I can think of it. - I loved the shield, loved it. And I don't know how I would do in a rewatch of it. I did watch it a second time after I read difficult men, one of my favorite books ever. But when Chiklis started doing the promos for Nesson, when they won the World Series in 2004, just didn't feel something fell off with Chiklis. And he's like the 2004 Boston Red Sox World Champions. How does that just sound? So I was like, man, are you from New Hampshire or something, what's going on? All right, I don't know. That could be entirely unfair if Chiklis is listening. I've thought about it for 22 years, obviously. So I'm sorry. Maybe, maybe a little 21 plus. I thought I had something else. Oh, there was a girl speaking of a girl with no friends that she was like, oh, everybody says I look like Gwen Stefani. And then it was like, everyone thinks I look like the girl from the card against. I was like, you're just naming hot blonde girls. Those two look completely different. Cardigan still holds up, by the way. All right, so turn 50 this year. Pure Gen X have solid genes that you get me to my mid 90s, right? This guy's really mapping out the next category. But possibly ruin those with binge drinking and ecstasy and collage years and beyond. I look like I'm 40 or slightly less. Personal life is fucking awesome. Hot wife, great marriage. Two smart, beautiful young girls. I'm all good with 50. But holy shit, since the calendar turned to 2026, I think I'm having a mid life career crisis. I spent the last 19 years in corporate banking, like, right, money, you can't retire yet, extremely autonomous. You can manage my schedule to be at all my kid's stuff. I've had fun and enjoyed the work until now. I've been a top performer of my roles for a long time, but I can, well, I can seem to think is what a crock of shit this all is. Like I've literally turned into Troy, Dyer, Ethan Hawke from Reality Bites. There's no point to any of this. Wow, you are thinking about stuff, my man. - Scott, I don't think he's about to open a bakery or something. - Yeah, it's going to be equal beans, coffee shop. All right, I'm not excited. Peer, that's the sentence. I'm not excited. Not doing anything to benefit the greater good. All that shit couldn't be more cynical right now. Maybe the world is delusioned. We went through a bunch of reorgs and I got moved from a team that I love. And my boss was like, oh, I respect it. I moved to a well-respected team and make more money now, but the team dynamic is definitely worse. So maybe I'm a bit off from the change, which normally wouldn't bother me, that could be part of it. I've thought about other ways to make money careers. They move to and for every single one, I'm just like, that would suck too. Or I would have to completely start over and not get paid shit. It's hard to look past all the perks of my existing situation, paid benefits, autonomy, et cetera. Feels like I'm trapped. Any other situation would be worse seemingly. If you held the gun to my head and said, well, what the fuck do you want to do, idiot? I'd say coach basketball. I've been coaching my kids directly games for the past five years, and all caps love it. Basketball is my first love. Can't get enough of it. I grew up under really tremendous coaches. I didn't play in college. Too bad ankle injuries before my senior year, but took every basketball elective don't laugh. I'm not laughing. I'm taking you entirely seriously. There was any elective there was, including advanced theory of teaching basketball under a Hall of Famer with multiple maddies. I took coaching baseball. So, you know.
It comes pretty natural, it's fun, I can make solid contribution to the kids. My son plays in travel org and I almost want to apply for a job there. But this is where myself and you guys are like, well, good luck with that and good looking paid and good luck being free to do whatever you want. Do most people love their jobs? I hear people work at work at all jazzed up and excited and I just want to be like, get a fucking life dude. How can I shut all this down and refocus to just zombie my way through the last phase of my career? And I ignore this shit. Is that unhealthy? Should I meditate every morning? Breathe in. You love your job. Breathe out. You love your job. Well, you can't do that because you know, you don't love your job. You all have cool jobs. You probably can't relate much love for your thoughts. Well, I can relate to the thought process because that's what I told myself prior to venturing out to pursue the careers that I wanted to pursue was that I just know I knew there was no way. Like there's absolutely no way you will be a healthy, happy person. I knew I would be fucking miserable if I took a normal corporate job. Although once I started learning more about VC stuff, I was like, maybe I would have maybe that would have been better. Yeah, maybe I'll just be a top dog. That'd be cool. Yeah. I just feel like, Hey, I'd like to run your hedge funds, sir. Is this your lifeguard training in seven years of French sold? I don't know. I don't know if you guys like are you guys too young to start to go is this it because I think the thing that I've learned is is whatever your thing is for the most of us. And even me, despite, you know, people looking at it being like, Oh my God, what a great job. Like, this is kind of it, this is kind of it. And I think in a lot of times, and I know I do maybe not everybody, but I think our email editor is like we make up all of these scenarios of like pure raging happiness that are probably a little inaccurate and fanciful. Hey, homie go, uh, so he's like, I'm giving my two weeks, no, no. I think I, I've always looked at this job, like, I don't know that I'm going to be doing this when I'm 50. And I don't know what is after this, like where you shit, man. Yeah. And I thought I think about that a lot. You know, I obviously thought about that in the move that we made and just different things, you know, I've got two young daughters and I've got what, at least 20 plus years of working life. We left in me more than that, likely. I don't know. I think about it all the time. I like where I'm at now. It's cool. I'm happy. I think, although I don't love the way the industry has gone in some ways, Brian, I've talked about it. I mean, I don't know. It's like, hey, list this. Everyone's kind of doing the same thing. And it's like not as, I guess, fulfilling as maybe it was when I first started or when the industry was a little bit different. Kevin Durant said the sixers are just as good as the warriors. And it's like, okay. Here we go. We got two days of shows. And he just goes, that what we used to do, because I don't remember that that's what we did. Yes. I think it kind of was, but just for some reason, it felt more fun back then it wasn't so like everything is so like to be fair. It's almost a time for ex-girlfriend quarterback comp. So that should probably light a fire right on you. I mean, I'm ready. I'm ready for it. I've been ready. I know. I stopped doing it. That guy from the Wall Street Journal is going to be like 2019 and we're still doing this really. Yeah, man. I don't know. Yeah. It was funny. I don't know. People seem to like it. Yeah. So Tietz is the guy's question like, yeah, of course, I've definitely thought about it. It has to be a strange feeling. I don't think I'm not where he is right now, but he's, I mean, he's 50. He doesn't have that much time left. That's, I guess, what would be my point is. Dude, great. Is jeans. Yeah. Well, he's got, I'm saying he's got, he's got much time working left. Like he, can you, how soon could you retire or the things you want to do? Do you want to want to boat? Do you want to have a beach house somewhere like is there something that you can like fixate on as a goal in the next five to 10 years that you can like channel all of this like un-fifilled energy into? Because like your job is your job, but you're going to have to, like most of my friends have jobs that they do and then they just have stuff on the side that they want to do. And, and there's just a balance in that and how much fun could I have without, while making the most money and filling the safest I can and at least moving upward in a decent way. For you, like, do you have 15 years left? Like, do you retire around 60? Like is there something that you could do to look forward to? Your kids are going to be graduating likely from school. So like I think, I think you just have to channel that energy like your job is likely never going to change at this point. I mean, it could, like you could take a grand leap and change everything about your life and it can be great or it can be miserable and that's a huge risk that you could potentially take. I wouldn't do that at, at your point in life, but it just feels like you need to channel your energy to something different, have something to look forward to do something on the side while still keeping what seems to be a pretty good and lucrative job for you. Yeah, this shouldn't come as like a shock to either of you, but I'm more of a work to live guy than a live to work guy. So I think that's maybe a perspective you should try and think. And the other thing that I, it's rattling around in my brain is this guy said he did 19 years of feeling good to at least better than indifferent about something like this isn't something that like you get like when we hear some guy who just got out of college and he's starting in this thing and he's like, this is soul sucking and I hate this. That's the guy where like, well, fuck it, cut bait and like figure it out. This is not the same. I feel like you are in a bit of a bummer phase. So that's why I don't think like the big, the big pivot at this point. It's like it's probably more of a state of mind than like actually what the job is. It's like he's, he's giving all these bullet points to like, well, I had a sick manager. He's gone. I used to have a great team. Now it's bad. It's like you're in control of maybe changing the vibe on your team. If you're like one of the senior people, like you could put some energy there. Maybe even a different firm. If you're like, you know, if you're a guy who is hot shit and could go somewhere else, like I think there's, there's smaller incremental changes, whether it's like the situation you already have or looking at a, at a different one. I think you're just in it. You're a little bit bummed out right now. This could all be a matter of perspective. I think if you spend a little bit more time, what are you working for? Are you working for this awesome family that you have? And maybe some cool hobbies that you don't quite have yet. Try pickleball. It's sweeping the nation, dude. I don't know. I think there's a, my mom is going to shit you could try. So I feel like this is entirely normal and it's almost predictable. I wouldn't even think of it as like a midlife crisis. Like I kind of like looking at stuff is like, well, what else could I do? What else? Like is there any seeds that can be planted to, you know, even if they don't grow, right? Are there any things that I can, like things that I can do where I'm like, okay, maybe this is a pivot or maybe this is something like that. But I mean, really this comes down to something really simple. Like you have this family, you've probably made really good money. I don't know, obviously based on the email what your financial situation is, but like how important is money to you? My guess would be that you can see you're in the corporate banking world that at some point you wanted money. And for somebody like me who didn't grow up with it, who didn't have it for a really long time, like it became pretty important to me the rest of the way. So you can sit there and make moves and do different stuff. And then you go like, okay, well, now that I've done this, this means I have to make this much money moving forward. And I'm fine with that. Some people look at it like, you know, somebody else might say, like, well, that's a lot of responsibility. Like, I don't want the man to keep me down. It's like, all right. Well, cool. Enjoy your fucking van, dude. You know, like I don't, you know, we're not too many vans, too. Yeah. So I don't, like if you're happy with all that, I admire that you're happy with that. This is what I wanted to do. What you're probably doing right now is a very predictable thing of like, hey, I, it's just going to be over. And then this is going to be it. But I would push you to do what I don't know that it's a year off because then I would say how talented are you, how great is your network that you can take a year off, really test yourself and then go, you know what was kind of nice every two weeks get a nice big check and not having to worry about sending my kids to college and all this different shit, right? You could, you could try that hard experiment and then you'd have your answer. It's like when I tell young people to move and be like, always move because that way if you come home, you'll appreciate home better. If you went somewhere else is opposed to always wondering. So maybe there's some parallels there. But I have to think that there's some way to scratch the basketball itch that allows you to still have the nine to five man, like a town team. Right. There's got to be some non-travel thing or you just go to your, you're like, how important are you to this company? Like what is your status there? Do you have enough juice to go in and say, Hey, here's a deal. I grew up. I got hurt. There are points in a quarter once in a high school, I'm fucking, I'm hot as can be. Everybody thinks I look like celebrities. And based on just the looks, bias we have in the world, maybe you're so hot, they're going to let you do whatever you want at the company. You say, you've got me. I'm totally invested before me in some sort of like reset at 50 years old. I have to have some basketball outlet. I need this. And I would imagine if it's another guy, especially an older guy that's overseeing you, whether you have a great relationship or it's, it's just surface level, he might completely understand. He may have gone, he likely has had these thoughts. So there may be some way where they can accommodate you as you're getting your work done. And it doesn't have to just be like, you know, this completely different person because you're feeling some shit right now, feeling stuff, which I think a lot of people feel because it's normal because you kind of go through life and you're like, I thought there was going to be like all this other stuff and you're like, well, there is, but there are a lot of it's just kind of getting through it every day. All right, that'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Saroodie. Thanks Tom. Thanks to Kevin. A bonus show for you this week. And then we'll have the France travel log out soon as well, which are our second author on Thursday. Gunfighters. Gunfighters. Gunfighters. And then we'll do France.
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