‘Animal House’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

The rewatchables is brought to you by the ringer podcast network where you can find the watch with Chris Ryan. We watch in these days, CR. Widow's Bay. Oh, I can't, I can't, it just hasn't taken for me. One of the best shows of the year. And I really? Oh, yeah. And then I'm, I'm writing you for you out to the finish. Me too. Yeah. I like you. Thank you for your help. Have I done my room impression for you yet? No. Better than I thought it was going to be. Nice job. Craig's here as well. We're joined by special guest, Murf. It's a three-man pod. Hey, Murf. I've been waiting for this one for a long time. Yeah. One of the most influential comedies ever. The last one we're doing for Netflix is a joke month. It is still on Netflix, Animal House is next. See our heart to explain what this movie meant in the 80s. We just didn't have a lot of comedies. This is the only comedy about college. Probably had six, seven, eight. You would just rewatch over and over again. The lines, it reached the point, the famous lines from this movie. And then there's like a whole separate subsection of lines from this movie that you could just do shorthand with people. And I think this comedy had as big of an influence as any comedy that has come out in the last 50 years. It's Animal House. It's got like a crater where it landed and it starts all these different micro genres. It kicks starts these careers. Basically launches like three different filmmakers into the world with rightman, Remus and Landis had already worked. Obviously. It's important almost dwarfs its like entertainment sometimes, but I still really like enjoy having it on a lot. What was the movie you said is like putting on an old sweatshirt, Ghostbusters? Yeah. I feel that way about Animal House. Yeah. I've just seen it so many times. I know every section of it, it's Gapalushi who is right here actually one of my favorites of all time. You know what I wanted to ask you about was what kind of relationship you had to national ampune as like an institution outside of just the huge movies and this. Only knew it from Animal House. From all the people that kind of went on and then from reading the books about it. You know, when when she started reading though, like even the Bob Woodward book about Balushi, the center of live book that came out in 845, just in general, I had no idea until I started reading how impactful it was. I didn't know as a kid. It's just kind of fascinating because you know, it's not dissimilar from a lot of um, upstart media stories that you've read about from the last 20 years. Like it's not that much different than vice in some ways or something where it starts out as this like small time production house or, you know, like magazine based out of Harvard and then branches out into all these different things and takes advantage of. Yeah. Corporations looking for basically for lack of a better term content at that time. Yeah. It's like Grantland. Just these little underdogs. Yeah. Oh no, we work for you spend. It's a before after for comedy movies. Just felt like blazing saddles was what 74, 75 range. This movie comes out and it leads to two different eras because you have the Rambunctious comedy era, right? That's Animal House, meatballs, catashac, blues brothers, airplane stripes like big stars, big set pieces. It felt like it was for everybody who was 20 and older in the 70s and then people like us who were growing up after our jumping in. But it also ushered in the raunchy comedy era, sex comedy, yeah, which then porkeys really capitalized on. But we've talked about that in the patch of the nerds, zapped, class, losing it. This was like a whole cottage industry. So it spawned two separate industries of comedy. It also pretty much invents the modern college comedy. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't even really take flight until the 90s. I grew up with kicking, screaming, everybody wants some as later, but PCU was a big one for me. That is a really reliable subgenre of comedy. I feel like it was the first college movie. I'm sure there were others, but this is the first one I can really think of that I saw where it was like, is this what it's like to go to college? Yeah. Did you think that? Yeah, I was on a text thread last thing with two of my best friends from high school went to Colgate and they were in a frat and Colgate with two of my other friends who became good friends. And we were just texting about this movie and how much like they had seen Animal House for years. And they when they went into college in the late 80s was like, I want to be in a frat. You're just making the animal house jokes as you're in the frat. And that's just kind of how the 80s went. I have some takes on this later, but this movie was like, Sunday I'll go to college and I'll be like the animal house guys. It's hard to explain. I had met how I felt about high school with Ferris Bueller, where I was just like, I'm going to go to high school. I'm going to have my own room, you know, which I'd date I was only child, but like, I mean, I have like this universe within my room. And I like these are going to be my friends, but one day like, I'm just going to have like the coolest day ever, like in high school when I like cut in class. Craig, you, you're later than us. There's a million college movies that are out by then, right? Less than you think though. It's mostly high school more than college, but you're like, old school and so it's usually like joke. That's like neighbors, but those are more like plays on adults interacting with college less than college kids. Yeah. It's up themselves. So when you watch this movie, first of all, the movie takes place in 1962. Yeah. Well, this is like, it feels like a cajillion years ago. Crucial kind of thing that they did, which was made a movie about when I think, honestly, the writers were like, this is when America had its innocence is like before Kennedy, Kennedy assassination, but they were very, very, very, very, very like aggressive modern sensibility of like, launch, you know, yeah. And so they, like, they infuse it basically with like late 70s debauchery, but it's about like when everything was still innocent. So they catch lightning in the bottle when this movie comes out. The film in late 77 comes out summer, 78 SNL is on it that SNL is the biggest that's ever going to be because this movie comes out makes pollution even bigger star. You have all this national impune stuff happening where all of these people is like this comedy factory. Now they're all going out, getting hired by Hollywood. You have the 70s comedy movement in general, which is happening on two separate coasts, right? And that this is like the Letterman, Seinfeld, Jay Leno, all these people are in L.A. So, and then you have young people pushing against old people, which is a thing that's happening all through the 70s and finally trickles in a comedy with Senator live and some other stuff and just kind of people lampooning people older than them, pushing the envelope, trying to be raunchy, trying to offend people. There's one more thing. Let's go. You're starting to get late 50s and early 60s nostalgia because of America. So it's people who are probably in their late 30s or early 40s thinking about when they were kids and the music that was on and the way people dressed and the different archetypes of people that were around. Why can't that come back? Well, it does. I mean, we just do it for the 90s now or we do it for the early 90s. But are we doing it correctly for the late 90s? It feels like we should be in the stagic for pre-social media and what life was like. Yeah, I think that's due soon. We're kind of like there is like a kind of early 2000s like, you know, like that era, like nostalgia going on and we'll probably have a Craig coming back. I mean, people are wearing corded headphones again because it's cool and nostalgic. I never tried it. You never stopped. I knew people would circle back around it. But we were like Ben said that everybody likes the strokes now and stuff like that there's his age. That's another sign of that kind of thing. People are dressing like that. They run in these cycles. Yeah. A little bit with the with the JFK Carolyn beset, too, with the early 90s people going backwards. But it seems like music. There's a huge nostalgia movement now for that early 2000s stuff that we loved. And then the comedies is the other one mainly because we're not making comedies the same way we have, which we've talked about a million times. But that whole that whole appetite generation run and then the late 90s stuff, I feel like is as big as ever. So many running lines from this movie. And I think there's like levels of this, right? These are lines that just have become part of like the lexicon. We're in like in my everyday life from college on, like when when a flounder comes in and he's like, you guys playing cards? That was something we would just say and you knew somebody was doing a flounder, Major League Yabo's. We called boobs Yabo's a college because this movie. I had that what's at the best. And that foot is me. That was another one. You would just do it. Thank you Sir Mab, another, the toga, toga, like anytime like, should we have a party for tonight and just be like, you think we're having a toga party? Yeah, like toga. My parents used to make double secret probation jokes. That was that was this movie probably created that way. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. There was stealth ones too like, wait a little Otis sees us. He loves us. You throw that one out. Otis my man. When we had Otis Nixon on the red side. There was like a whole bunch of Otis, my man jokes, 'cause every new animal house. There's one that I actually, from that, the Dexter scene that I really like, is, what Peter Rieger, I think, says, "You girls come here often." He's great. Yeah. This could be, by the way. Yeah. You mind if we dance with your dates? Fat drunken stupid is no way to go through life, sir. It was the one that became the biggest one along with, was it over when the Germans bombed parar, but he's on a roll, keep him going. Need or my dad became another famous one, and then the remain come all as well. But I mean, I just listed that's 12 lines from this, and they really did become part of the way people talk. There's also, I think, I was watching the Chandler Lovac movie Remates a couple of weeks ago, the Netflix thing, 20-year-old, it's basically an animal house. You know what I mean? The idea of taking a really good formative setting in someone's life, and doing it more in a vignette style, and having a lot of gags within gags within gags, and I think that there's a way that this movie feels like magazine articles in a way, or it feels like paging through a magazine, and it doesn't feel like one scene influences the next scene necessarily. And that is like kind of like Kentucky Fried movie. It's kind of like SNL and Lemmings and the other things that they were doing around, it's like Monty Python. It's very much like out of sketch and out of magazine reading. Yeah, and it's funny that all these people kind of indirectly or directly do each other from the 70s. These comedy people, and it didn't matter, like they know each other from second-city, ground lengths, Lemmings, SNL, they went to college together at Harvard, and they were all kind of interconnected. Like in this movie, Landis didn't know any of these guys, John Landis, this is his first big movie. Held Raimus, this is first big credit, and he knew, I think he was the one that knew Balushi from second-city, so he was like, "We gotta have Balushi's Bluto." I have Enrightman's first big movie ever. Another one, he might be taking the producer lead for us. Rightman. Yeah. Yeah. This is like at least his sixth or seventh one. I would bet Brockheimer's number one. Brockheimer, yeah, you're right, Brockheimer's probably one. Balushi's first mainstream movie, we'll talk about it in a second. Kevin Bacon and Karen Allen. Karen Allen about to go on, she must have been Raiders. Yeah. Meteoric rise for her. Tim Matheson, Bruce McGill, Tom Hulse. Yep. Bruce McGill just became a different human being, like 20 years later. Yeah, he became like the legendary middle-age character actor. Like that smirk off your face. You would have no idea he was D-Day in this. I have a lot of Tim Matheson thoughts later, and then Stephen First is Flounder. And then Maggie from Caddy Shack, who I can't wait to talk about later. Is that the 13-year-old? Yeah. Yeah. And then randomly, just three Donald Sutherland scenes for no real reason. Yeah, and it sounds like they basically needed him until we get the movie. They kind of had to. Yeah. It's like a world where Donald Sutherland is like, "I'll do it. That's what gets it over the hump." I was trying to think of the equivalent now to that, which would be like if. I don't know. You just got like Ryan Reynolds or somebody, probably we need to make this movie. I mean, it's not, I don't know if they're there. No, but it's somebody at that level who was famous enough that it was a big deal who was in the movie. All right. So Blushie only received 35,000 paid a bonus after it became a hit. They created the character as a cross between Harpo Marx and the Cookie Monster. I don't know the Harpo. I don't remember. Harpo Marx's work. Do you never did Marx Brothers? No. No. Does he like the crazy one? Yeah. I always like associated a lot of this comedy stuff with Stu just like a lot of the like. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Big exaggerated. Because he was doing comedy on stage forever and you had to do a lot of like dramatic. Did you ever see anybody who ended up becoming famous in a groundlings or a lemmings or anything like that? Second city. In New York, like back in the day, I saw a human giant, which is a Zee's, I'm sorry, and Paul Schulz group. Yeah. I saw, I was dating a girl who moved to Chicago and went to second city in Horatio Sands. Really? Was on the cast and I know he had it made us know yet, but was just clearly really funny. Right. And it was like, and then when he went to us, I was like, that was the guy we saw in Chicago. And then the other one, little different. But when the first time I was working for Jimmy's show, he used to have Zach Alfonakis on all the time. Really? He had this fake character. We all loved him. He was like a genius, and he would come on. I think he used to play his brother Seth, he had this fake brother. Yeah. And, but we would always like pitch stuff, like we got to get this and Zach. But you know, he wasn't famous at all, and then he became Zach Alfonakis. You know one of my favorite bits of reading about Animal House was, was reading about Landis going on Carson. I think was it Landis who went on Carson? And he did like a movie called Schlock, but Carson liked it. And like, just was like, I'm going to have this guy on the, and he does like a great performance on Carson. Really? Yeah. But like the idea that you could go on Letterman or go on Carson. And nobody knew who you were. But if he liked you and he had you on three times, people were like, that's a guy now, you know? Like, that's what I try to do with my podcast, Craig. Yeah. Yeah. And somebody comes on. It's like a, a, a, a, a, a, I feel like the modern version of like seeing her ratio of Sam's dude and probably something like that is now it's like being a fan of somebody's comedy YouTube channel. Yeah. And then like three years later, they're in a movie or on the SNL. I remember on it. Who's on SNL? Yeah. Yeah. I remember Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney, we used to love their YouTube channel, Good Neighbor Stuff. Yeah. And then like four years later, they were on SNL. We're like, holy shit. Yeah. That is the equivalent. So 78. Our guy, Belushi. Yeah. Um, he pulls off, we talked about this during the Blues Brothers pod. He pulls off one of the great tri-factors ever in the history of Hollywood. He's on SNL, which is the most important comedy show and, and probably the most influential TV show. He's in this movie, which finishes third for the year and is the biggest comedy movie ever. And then releases the Blues Brothers album. Yeah. And that goes to number one. And he has all of that going at the same time in the winter of 1978. And, uh, numbers. What happens when this happens? I don't know. What's going on here, Murf? You want to get down? That? You didn't like something. This is what happens when you work in the ambulance. Just not professional. Let him out. Uh, no. He'll lie over there. So, Belushi, um, he flew too close to the suns here. So to speak. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was it. Yeah. It was Belushi. He had already was prone to maybe having some, some issues. Yeah. And then, uh, this happens. And he becomes as white, hot, famous as anyone we've ever had. This is it. This is like, he becomes too famous to be on SNL. He gets every single comedy you could possibly be offered to you. And he's touring with a band in front of sold out crowds. Yeah. Too much. things is the he has to do like he does three days a week on animal house. He's flying an Oregon tail and all of them like all these like bits and jokes he's thinking of and then they would watch SNL on Saturday night and those things that he was joking about on like Tuesday would be on the show on Saturday. Well that was another he was allegedly clean when he was doing this movie and he moved there with his wife and he's he's living in some house he's not living with the cast trying to stay clean and thanksgiving yeah and he's like and then I think he went off the rails right after and that was that there's been a lot of stuff written about this but nobody really Farley is the only one like Belushi that I can think of like that you could just physical presence the pratfalls the facial expressions the comedy like the moment you see him you're just like I'm just laughing already has done anything yet and the same kind of thing that Farley everybody always does to say about Farley was that they would just do anything for a laugh yeah I wonder who else is would you say Danny McBride even though it was some physical like that it's a little like that or no like where you just see him and you're like I'm ready he can say anything in your laugh the physical side is maybe not as much there with him I don't robin Williams I feel like had a little bit of that yeah yeah that was but that was as much like I'm just gonna do 15 minute bits like off of one thing that you say um this was like I'll jump through a play class window and it didn't care if I'm that the Farley story about Chip and Dale Sandler didn't want him to do it because he's like people are just gonna laugh at you yeah yeah Farley was like I don't care there's something it's such a small group of people that have had this and it happens with athletes too if you just go to a game or a comedy event or whatever and you sit down and somebody comes on the stage or the court wherever and your eyes just go to them that's what blue everyone said that's what blue she had yeah like when he's the years before us and now every time he came on stage he just owned the stage and it's also like it has an almost Beatles-like concentration of like it was just a few years yeah you know it was it was not like this 20 year career it was like it was basically six years right pretty much I mean SNL 75 he's dead in 82 yeah um it had an interesting effect on SNL because it made animal house made the show bigger the fourth season of SNL which starts in 78 the 78s of the United Season the audience increased to the point that the Lauren Michaels and the writers kind of resented it Lauren called at the undeserved audience. It was like we were doing this. Where were you guys before? Now you're just here because the animal house. Well it's also like they thought that they were like hipsters essentially and now all of a sudden like all the squares were like I watched this you know. Yeah and there's a lot a lot of the research from this was once the animal house happens all these guys now can get jobs. Everyone's looking for the next blue sheet animal house. Everyone's looking for the next person or write that. So P.J. O'Rourke had this whole thing about a killed national lampoon immediately because everyone who wrote for it was now being approached to write stuff. Like how did I get a script going? Yeah and it just like demolished. Basically this counter culture thing they became the culture. Yeah although by the time P.J. O'Rourke is running national lampoon like it's probably like it's sensibility is more conservative than you would be. No question. You'd be surprised to find out like how conservative like their their worldview was I think. I was never a big national lampoon guy. I always probably like mad magazine was where is that is but spy was the first one where I was like finally a magazine. Yeah yeah yeah you know. Have either of you read that national lampoon like your book apparently. I looked at like some of the pages just online for this but it's a kind of ingenious. I'm sure other people had done it before him but it's basically Boone's yearbook with like notes scrolled and then there's some of the characters from the movie. There's a really good national lampoon documentary that was made kind of in the early days of when we were good at documentaries. I'm going to say it's like late 2000's early 2010's. I thought they did a good job. They interviewed a lot of people. Is it called Drunk Stone Brilliant Dead 2015? Yeah. Yeah that documentary is good. So this was based on Ramis's experience. Ramis's experience at Washington University. Miller. Chris Miller's experience at Dartmouth and then Ivan Reimann at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Not on my radar. That wasn't one of your safety schools. And then Doug Kenny who was you know one of the writers pretty legendary lampoon guy died in Hawaii with Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase and him were on vacation. Fell off a cliff unclear what happened. Big mystery. You know you're not. Doug Kenny thinks a really interesting one about this. Yeah big rabbit hole. He was involved. He was involved in Caddy Shack. Right. A lot of cocaine. Yes. And obviously in all kinds of ways and a death that they still don't know what happened and some people wonder if he killed himself or he did in it. Right. But anyway he graduated from Harvard. He was his flat experience was closer to the Omega side and the three characters from the yearbook you mentioned were Larry Croger, Mandy Peppridge, Vernon Wormer. Oh so it's probably Larry's yearbook done I guess. Yeah. Yeah. But you mentioned this earlier they picked 62 because they thought that was the year before JFK, the year before Vietnam gets going kind of the last innocent year in America. It's like but it's like almost like right around then because I remember my earliest memories of like the car radio are my parents listening to like big chill style oldies. Right. So for them this is like I'm almost like that they're freezing that time in amber and they're starting to make money off of happy days and stuff. So the original script and there was a lot more vomiting. There was a lot of crazy shit. They did like nine drafts and then finally got greenlit at three million bucks. And the National Impute Guy Maddie Simmons no relation. Said script silly little movie will make a couple bucks. Landa said he thought it was the funniest script he'd ever read. Really offensive. He said there was a great deal of project out vomiting and rape and all these things. Yeah. I don't even know what that meant for a comedy but they get Balushi and they're off. Three million dollar budget made $141.5 million. It feels like probably more since then. This is just well also $140 million of three million dollars is an insane profit. Craig they did it made 120. Yeah. They did the re-release a year later in 79 made another 21 million just because Balushi was more famous. Let me ask you this. Did you watch this? What had did you watch this after you'd seen Cattishack? I don't remember when I first saw this. I saw Cattishack in the theater. I don't think my parents let me see this in the theater. So I probably saw it after Cattishack but I love Balushi. So I probably figured out a way to see this at some point. This is one of those where it's like this movie's been in my life for 50 years. I don't remember when I saw it because other ones I do remember. It's interesting to think about this kicking it all off but a lot of people, most people who were listening to this podcast probably saw it in and around maybe even after they saw Revenge of the Nerds or maybe even after they saw Porkies or maybe even after they saw like PCU and days to confused. I mean, you might have an experience where it's always sitting there on the shelf. I remember really being drawn to the cartoon poster and that style of kind of caricature. I was just like, what is this? Well, the part I don't remember from the 80s is how we saw the unedited version because we didn't really have the VHS stuff until like 83, 84 range. So it was probably edited for a couple of years there on the different channels and then became unedited again. Well, this was definitely a sleepover movie. No question. I felt like everybody had a copy of it. Yeah, but if you remember when I was like, I must have been like eight or nine maybe or something and it was just like, we're going to watch Animal House tonight. My older brother got it, you know. Yeah. Top 11 movies in 1978, Craig. Grease, Superman, Animal House. It's our top three. Wow. Every which way but loose. Is that every watchful? It is for me. Say the word. Clint Eastwood and a ragged tank and a truck. Having can wait. Hooper. If we do August one for us month, it should be every which way but lose Lincoln. Well, there's so many one for us. Just who was seventh, Revenge of the Pink Panther, the Deer Hunter, Halloween and foul play. Deer Hunter. Top 11. Bring it up the rear. Deer Hunter. Crank it. Crank it. I'm a 50 month watchable. Come on. Oh, that's definitely that's not even a one for us month. No, no. That just came out. That's Russian Reload month. That came out on Steelbook. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Ebert. Four stars. Fucking loved this movie. It's anarchic, messy, filled with energy. It assaults us. Part of the movie's impact comes from a sheer level of manic energy. It's better made than we might at first realize. It takes skill to create this sort of common pitch. Probably caught Ebert at the right time of his life too. Yeah. I wonder if 1998, Roger Ebert loves it as much. He's coming in. He still has a little bit of like, Russ Meyer vapors coming at coming out. No question. But I do imagine if you saw this in '78, it would feel like punk rock. It would feel like he describes it as anarchic, you know. Well, we'll talk about it when we do rewatchable scenes, but there's seven minutes in the movie where Belushi just goes to another planet. Yes. It's like an all-time takeover, but we'll talk about the one second one. Take a break. The playoffs are here and you can predict all the action all the way to the finals with Fandall predicts. 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I can't wait to talk about Matt that said, I really like this movie. The pledge recruits sequence, when they're naming everybody, your Weasel, your mouthball. You're gonna be Pinto. Why Pinto? Louis Louis, I like, Belushi just probably looks, I don't know if he was really drunk for that scene, or the Louis Louis. They all look hammered. And then we go to the other frat for the thank you, sir, ma'am, another. All right, so those are two. Flounder kills a horse, followed by the demething holy shit. The cafeteria scene. Yeah, the food fight. The food, Belushi in the food line. First, he's eating out of the garbage, basically. Yeah. And then he goes through the food line. That's just like also a six minute buster keten scene. Yeah, it's silent for the most part until he goes, everybody goes and sits down with the preppy kids. But like all of that stuff with him. I like when the donut falls off the tray, he just keeps going, just grabbing stuff, putting things on top, eats the jello. And then he makes the horse sound of that guy. Yep. And then does the opposite, which I think for me at age 10 or 11 was the height of comedy scene. Yeah, it's the funniest thing of all time. entirely improvised in the cafeteria. And then they just kind of went. The Amazon thing was apparently improvised too. They didn't know that was coming. - Yeah. - Just a home run. But it's up there for me. It might be my most rewatchable. We do have the latter scene, which I guess there's probably a little problematic these days. - Yeah, but it's a little bit of a voyeur thing. - I mean, but that basically is, it invents revenge on the nerds and porcuses. - Yeah. - Yeah. - The turn to the camera eyebrow race, yeah. All-timer. - The ladder falling backwards is just fucking funny. (laughing) It just goes back. I had, so this seven minutes of Balushi just taking over the movie. I almost wonder, is this a new category? The Victor Wembudyan award from when somebody just completely annihilates four minutes of a movie or a game? - There is no defense for this. - Yeah, it's like what's happening? He just scored 12 points in two minutes. Black five shots, but that was just a total Wembudyan. Is that Balushi thing? It's still funny for your generation, right? - Yeah. - Okay, good. - What the Germans bombed the Pearl Harbor thing. - Just everything in Balushi, but especially the cafeteria. I just feel like that's, it's gotta be timeless comedy for whoever you are. - Yeah, I think, I think some people might find it like a little, it's juvenile humor that like hasn't aged in a like a clever way, but I still think it, it's really funny. - Okay, good. - The grocery store scene is underrated. - I really like the grocery store scene. - The blender just catching 15 things. - Also Mike, you come burrs bigger. (laughing) The flirting. There's something about those mid 70s horny housewives that they would have in these movies, like in slap shot or this movie. Yeah, they really did it for me. - Yeah. - Toga party. I like when Otter takes their coats and throws them on the ground. - There's so many good little like, just blink and you miss it. Visual psychags in this movie like that. - Toga gets demolished. We get shout. This is the kid cutting a pursuit happen. This word for needle drop. I think this is my most rewatchable scene 'cause I really love the shout performance. I love how it cuts back and forth with the audience. I like a little bit load or now. Like a little bit louder. - Oh my god, yeah. It's so good that wedding crashers was like, let's just do that again. - Yeah. They did the homage. The road trip to the bar to see Otter stay. Yep, Dexter's. - Way to Otter see us, he loves us. - Wormer reading the grades. - Yeah. - Zero point two. Fat drunken stupid. That guy has an amazing voice. - And he had like, almost like it seemed like a glass eye or something for you. - John Verner. - But I know he didn't, but he had a way of like, he just always seemed like he was about to say something evil. - Just like the way he says double secret probation. It's so good. - Yeah. - If you're a character actor in the '70s, you just are like, what I do is wear a suit and I do the same part in every movie. - Yeah, yeah. - So I just show up and I just nail it. - The big bluda speech, which I think is the most famous scene for this movie because it lived on in sports jumbo trunks for 20 years after. - It's kind of the first hold on, let him cook. - Yeah. - Yeah, you know? - Yeah. - He's like, they're like Germans and he's like, hold on, let him eat his cooking. - Groggy and Duggy and some of the other Hitler youth underrated line. Every part of that bullshit thing is great. The parade scene's fun. - The parade scene is like a precursor. - It's a mess. - Blue's brothers. - Yeah. - It's like, we don't really know what to do here. So let's have a giant set piece. - Blue she just climbs on top of a building for no reason. - I could have fixed it though, but that's in a category coming up. - Okay, great. - And then the closing credits, which I think this movie probably invented. - Well, it's certainly Apex Mountain for Zewant Neo title cards. - Yeah, nobody did this before this movie. - I had no idea. - And I feel like everybody's ripped it off since. - There's so many good ones. The Marmalard became a rural Nixon White House aide. It was raked in prison in 1974. Otter became a gynecologist, Beverly Hills, Senator and Mrs. John Potarsky. - Just like fucking home runs all over. - I like that D-Day's whereabouts were unknown too. - Yeah. - What do you have for most rewatchable? - The most rewatchable scene for me is the Toga Party with Shout. - Yeah, I agree. - That's just the most fun to watch. What's the most 1978/1963 thing about this movie? I think we have to go to 1978. - Well, I just had the prominence of National Improon as a comedy brand. It's like an umbrella that was doing all this different stuff and was launching all these careers. - I have a smoking pot in a dark room as a secret clean-design event. - And that you are afraid you might get schizophrenia. - Yeah, try that. I had that. And then Pinto's girl revealing that she's 13 is just insane? - Yes. - It was insane in 1978. - It's out of control. - That fucking crazy bill. - Go 16 or 17? - Yeah. - Maybe it's still borderline insane, but 13 is like-- - She's like, I'm 13 and he still goes 40. He's just like, I guess I am-- - No, no, no, no, no, it's out of the thing. But he asked he has to get married to her first, right? And she's like, hey, mom and dad, this is the guy that molested me. - Yeah. - I think doing in 1978, obviously nobody in the room or no notes or edits were like, hey, make her older. 13 is crazy. - Yes. - So when would I have died award? I would have killed myself after that girl said I was 13. - Yeah. - 13. Also, she, I mean, the real actress is probably like 20. I just-- - Let's hope. - I don't know if they thought 13 was funny or they'd be funny if she said she's 13. - I can't even say it. - I can't even do imagine. It is the craziest thing in this movie. - Because old school basically does, old school would dripped off multiple parts of this movie. - Yes. - But they do this-- - Old school is almost remake, yeah. - But they do the same thing with Luke Wilson when he's with the last year, Kuthbert. And it turns out she's in high school. - It's crazy. I mean, this girl is lying topless in this movie. And an hour later, she's working. - It's just, it's just nuts. - I don't understand that. - Yeah. - She was 20. - Yeah. - Actress. - It's just, I heard that you nailed that. - She looked like she was at least in college. - But I think they thought, it's like got a great scouts eye. - Yeah, you know, I sized her up. I think they thought 13 would get a big laugh. - Yeah. - Look, this is 1978. - Well, land just takes some big swings, man. - Yeah. - In terms of big swings, probably not as big as the Twilight Zone? - No. - No. - The Floyd Gondoli, Butter and My Ass and Lollipops and My Mouth Award for something I just enjoy. - Man, I just like Louie Louie and Shout. Those songs are undefeated. They still go really hard at weddings. - They still play Shout Out weddings? - Oh yeah, I think that was gonna make my, my category would have just been what's AIDS the best. I have not been to a wedding where Shout is not playing. - Okay. - You may think you're better than Shout, but every time you go to a wedding and Shout plays, you're like, this is the thing that really set the wedding off. - It is the single best moment of every wedding is Shout. It still plays. Live band DJ doesn't matter. Everybody loves Shout, getting on the floor. - Yeah. - It is still so fun. - The time when everybody's like, let's get fucked up. - The question for, I was gonna ask though, is did the wedding thing happen after wedding crashers or were people doing that in the 80s after Animal House? - After Animals. - Really? - Every wedding I went to from the early 90s on, they were Shout. - Yeah. - And I assume that was the case in the 80s too. - The weddings that I have been to have all had Shout. - But pre-wedding crashers. - Yeah. - Oh, fuck yeah. - Yeah. - Oh no. - Shout's a fucking wedding staple. - Yeah. - Well, 'cause I just didn't know if like, everybody liked the song watching Animal House, but that has nothing to do with the wedding. I didn't know if wedding crashers made it popular out of weddings. - No, Shout was, you would-- - Oh. - No, no, no, no. - No, it was a thing before. - No, you'd go to a wedding even in the early 90s and it was like, can't wait for Shout. You just knew it was coming. And you knew the band was gonna play it. - The thing is, it's the undisputed chant. - Yeah. - It's like, who's the best quarterback of all time? It's Tom Brady, there's no argument. - It's chocolate ice cream. There's very few people who are like, I don't like Shout. I don't wanna do that. Like, why'd you come to the wedding? - It's just like the most, it's a complete communal experience. Everybody knows the moves. It's the best. - Yeah, 'cause the fact that you have to go down to the ground and then come back up and get happy again is the key to shout. - Now, the question is, have you ever done Gator where you jump on the floor and shake it? - I don't remember what you're talking about. - Yeah, it's like, Shout's Michael Jordan and every once in a while a new song comes in and tries to be LeBron. And then we have an argument about it. It's like, no, no, it's still shit. My Afloid gondoli, I like when a movie gets made because it wasn't gonna get made until some random star from the time period agreed to be in it for two scenes. And then they're like, now we can make it. - Sutherland's here. - Sutherland, he worked for two days. He was offered $25,000 for the two days or two percent of the film's gross. - He took the 25. - And he took the 25, 'cause the movie was gonna bomb. It's amazing, we've done 437 rewatchables at this point, 438, so like that. It's amazing how many times the movies were like, right on the fringe of not being made until some random. - And then they got into it. - Yeah. - And Donald Sutherland, it's not like, it was famous, but even I said Ryan Reynolds before. He wasn't even as famous as Ryan Reynolds. It was-- - I think it's a different kind of fame. I mean, he's also like-- - It was a credibility phase. - He's still doing like three movies a year pretty much around. - Yeah. - And I'd have to look at like his actual photography, but those people like worked a lot. - Yeah. - And I love in the opening credits. I love when it says at the end. And so and so as Jennings. - Yeah, yeah. - And Donald Sutherland as Jennings. - It's great. - Well, I have him in What's H the Best, too, because I'm convinced. he's wearing just his same clothes from invasion of the body, invasion of the body statchers. It's the same outfit. He's wearing the same outfit that he wears for an hour of the movie and he was probably filming the other movie. He probably showed up in a corduroy suit and they were like, "No one, honestly, that's perfect." And he looks the same. He's got the same hair, the same mustache, that's like he just got pulled out of the movie. So what does he do? He does the John Milton speech. He does the My Novels, the piece of shit scene. And then he's in the last scene. Let me see his ass. He's in two and a half scenes basically. The biggest what's the age the best for this movie is Bluto speech became an incredibly impactful home game sports movie. Let's get the crowd going. There in this era that I think is basically over now, but from late '90s, I said like '98, '99 range through the 2000s. There was like five or six different movies where they would play the scenes. They would do Rudy, they would do Hoosiers. And this one always brought the house. I feel like 300, 300 is a good one. Gladiator, and like what's another one that's kind of replaced this as like a staple? But I don't feel like they do this anymore because people during the time I was just playing music. I feel like I used to have 300 playing when they would do this darn line ups. The Celtics would, they got to the point where they just wouldn't run the clip. They would just play the speech. They would do the speech, but they would interspersive with, you know, Celtic shit. They would like do like the next level recut of it, but Animal House was a major one. And you would just see blue. It was like, nothing is over. Have you ever heard this at a game? I don't think so. Yeah, they don't do it anymore. This was like a 10 year run. I have more, but what do you have for what's edge of us? The way that they depict the, what is essentially like Smith College, like the, the Seven Sisters schools. Yeah. The girl who dies in a killing explosion. Fun and honors like she was going to make me a pot. We were engaged to be engaged, but just the whole, that whole segment. It's not necessarily a rewatchable scene, but it's so nailed on like that whole like women's college thing. Yeah. There's somebody working at the front end. I have the same thing. Blue, she's destroying the acoustic guitar. I feel like I've seen like a billion times and like is still like, I think of it every time I'd ever go to a party and somebody would be like, there's a guy in the corner playing Dave Matthews. Like how funny would it be just smash this thing and so fucking wall and be like, sorry. I have a. I think Mathisyn is tremendous as I believeable this time on so good in this movie and it's like kind of looks like Craig, by the way, that's really a compliment. I don't understand why Tim Mathisyn didn't become a bigger star. I had him coming up, but we could talk about it now. Like he is actually the could have been Harrison Ford because he was another guy. Up for Raiders and like, he's a little like, I think he is like a Hollywood native like whole life like on Western TV shows when he's a little kid and stuff. But. Well, I wondered did he get it's in cast and what if I'll do one now where they try to get Chevy case, Chevy Chase for Otter and he ended up doing foul play. I wonder if he just got market corrected by Chevy Chase, which is hilarious because in Fletch, he plays the guy who hires Chevy Chase because they look like each other. But it's funny to watch him be Chevy Chase is straight man and Fletch, but it's just doing Chevy Chase in and I think Otter is so fucking funny and it's great man. His speech at the trial, yeah, where he's like, if the fraternity system is on trial, then the entire system is on trial. I won't have you besmirch the United States of America and he walk out singing the stars make a better. I love how horny he is, too, like he meets Fletcher's girlfriend, yeah, and he's like, here come over here. It's just like clearly going to try to get Fletcher's girlfriend to go up to his room. He's always trying to have sex with whoever he's in the room with. But he's like, there's something charming about him. I don't know. That's why the gynecologist thinks so funny at the end. Yeah. It's like of course. It's terrible. I thought Maths and just killed it. Crazy college rotsie kids. Yeah. Neater Meyer when they're all on the thing like. That's also an already wash with those kids, yeah, Riger and Math is simply in golf. I just try to hit the, you don't think about it as work. Think about it as something you enjoy. This is a small one, but at the beginning when Flander and Pinto go to the thing to meet it, to all the people, like the basically the first scene in the movie. And he lets Pinto in and then slams the door on Flander and it's like a great, like it actually seems like he hit some of the thing, but it's just like just immediately sets the tone. When Flander goes over to Greg and starts talking to him and then Greg's like kind of guides him back to the four rejects and he's just like, some more. I've already met these guys and he's like, great, you'll have plenty to talk about. Hand jobs with late text gloves. You think that's age the best? Yeah. It's hilarious. Of Flander and Silent Rage, four years later, that is the one for us month. Silent Rage? Yeah. We're finally going to end up doing that. But Flander is Chuck Norris, his sidekick in Silent Rage. That would be an amazing collection of films as if we did, if we did Lincoln, Silent Rage, and we try to time it with Netflix, it was like, hey, so I'm not sure how you're going to promote this in the carousel, but it's one for us month, Toga Parties did become a thing in the 80s. I never, I was at the tail end of it when I was in college, I don't think I ever went to one college. You weren't in a frat. No. Did you, were you? I was in a fraternity for two years and we did throw a Toga party in college. Did you, like, you were in junior and senior or freshman and sophomore? Why'd you stop? And I just like, honestly, didn't like it. Okay. I don't know. Wow. Sounds like he got hazed. I did go through that. But it's just not for me. Yeah. We threw the Toga party out of house, senior year, actually, not in the frat. Was it fun? It's great. It's the best. Yeah. The Toga thing became a big thing for about, I would say, 10 years. Never got it. It's also like the easiest dress-up party you can go to. Like, it's everyone just wears a bedsheet. It's the easiest thing in the world. You got to wear, like, shorts underneath the bedsheet, though, right? Not me. Not otter. And then this is my high school buddy, Jim Grady, who went to Colgate and I think was president of his flat. He texted this yesterday, little known secret. I wanted to be rush chair at Sigma Chi just so I could say, hi, Jim Grady, rush chair and damn glad to beat you, not joking, apparently really did that. Oh my God. Yeah. This is a great, what's age is the best. So they had this bit in the original script, but they didn't film it with the JFK float. And they had the four people dressed like Jackie O'Nassus on the day he got assessed. Oh yeah. But they had this, they were going to have a car go through his head and it was going to be in the exit wound spot of when he got assassinated and then Landis was like, okay, we got to cut this. It's too offensive. So that's what he was like. We can't do that. But what if she was 13? Right. Somehow the 13 was fine. If they had had the car zoomed through his head in the exit wound, I think that would have aged pretty funnily in my opinion. Yeah. It's just like holy shit. They were really going for it in 1978, but they decided not to do it. And then you mentioned the other one's aged the best, Louis, Louis, Shyamalam, and Dindong. Shout. Music's great. I had one last aged the best. It's Sarah Hokeham's IMDB. Okay. Sarah Hokeham is collect the young girl. Sarah Hokeham is the, yeah, who ends up being Maggie and Catty Shack. Oh, thanks for nothing. She's in four movies and then apparently sadly had some issues and is that of the industry. Her first movie ever is Animal House. And her last movie is Catty Shack. Her second last movie is some movie called Happy Birthday Gemini. Okay. And then she makes one other movie and she's the star of Walk Proud. Do you know what Walk Proud is? I'll just read you what it's about. Robbie Benson plays Emilio Mendez, a young Chicano gang member in Los Angeles, who begins to question his gang life when he meets and starts to fall for a white girl who encourages him to try and leave. Robbie's saying the theme song Adios yesterday. No. He was a blue-eyed Caucasian real life but made up in dark face and wore black contact lenses so he would look like a Latino for the movie. And then all the research is this movie was reviled. This is considered one of the most offensive movies of all time. This is like a Robbie Benson passion project, though. Walk Proud. Yeah. That's it. It's Emilio Mendez. But if you're like, I'm also doing this song, like you got to be believing in the material. Do we do this for political incorrect month with Soul Man and a couple others? What if we did Walk Proud with Van but just like made known comment about how weird it was? Yes. I love this book. Walk Proud. Benson is just as it is back in this movie. So, but this ties back to them thinking it was a good idea to have a 13 year old. This is 1978. Yeah. The star of the cocaine era. Yeah. People are just, it's like, we got Robbie Benson, he's going to play Emilio Mendez. That movie was released by Universal. Yeah. By the way, Robbie Benson was like a star because he was coming off one on one. This was like his next big project. So yeah. That did not go well. Anyway, those were her four movies. Great check order award. Would you have? I had the freeze frame of when the horse has the heart attack. There's fucking nothing better. I would say this goes into what stage is the best, putting animals indoors. like large farm animals in doors when you see the four legs just open the guy bring to the chase car lives like I'm going to be their legs if you ever try to say he's measuring the doorway oh it's good kahuna burger for best use of food and drink it's got to be amazet it's a lot of areas yeah chest rock well Brocklanders were for best character name I could give you John Blutarsky what about Mandy pepperage it's pretty good I have Gregory Marmalade raped in prison would you have for a flex oh shit uh I had the dentist spec relationship test for otter otter as dentist spec with flounders girls coming in being like dentist back Los Angeles PD damn glad to meet you uh butch's girlfriend word week link of the film other than the 13 year old um I have minus the Greg Mandy babs love triangle is just the the hand jobs are funny I don't know if there's like five teams about this and I'm just kind of like all right guys like this is that domain to why I'm watching Animal the hand job seems to kill me yeah why is it soft and he's like sorry just there's Delta things on my mind it's 19 all you want to do is get late to the 19 um my week link was 1962 is now 64 years ago it feels like a fucking lifetime yeah I mean I it did them watch us uh Zoe Simmons my daughter who's home right now I it was on she was on her phone the whole time and thought it was too slow but they'd enjoy Belushi okay that was her review had she seen it before no okay no but yeah if you're remaking this I guess we did remake it as old school yes the Steven Skull shitting on himself for word for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual shoot yeah I'm going with uh so they filmed this at University Oregon and uh they weren't supposed to interact with the students but then one day these girls out of attorney invite them to a fraternity party all the Delta actors go they're greeted with hostility from the Oregon students guy widows who played Hoover throws a cup of beer at drunk football players and then I'm having a brawl and McGill gets a black eye widows got uh to eat some pets of loose teeth and then Belushi was filming us now came back found out about the fight and they had to like physically restrain him from going to find the football players and fight of them he's a fucking real one yeah uh I love the detail in the New York Times oral history I think widows says he was basically like hooking up with a girl whose dad was a dentist yeah so he got in at eight in the morning the next morning and get his teeth fixed the Ed Norton reverse dunkelward for did this movie need a random sports scene so can I can I get rid of like one of the two hand job scenes and just have like a intramural football scene here's a new rugby this is exactly what I was going to say which is this movie needed to end with a flag football game or a football get intramural football game to decide whether or not they could stay in college and I went as far as to just break down oh let's go 1960 didn't know you did this 1962 football positions so you got quarterback halfback fullback center garden and so otter sqb otter definitely qb probably a good qb incredible pocket presence yeah like little Bradyish yes or less you know sure kind of jimmy g a little bit yeah but like would excel in the McVase system unfortunately back then it was like 90 percent runs but yeah halfback you go boon um I like riger yeah he's crafty speed going between the tackles fullback obviously bluto center I go d-day kind of calling it all out Kelsey style sees all the competition I could see him as a tight end too yeah and then guard flounder you got to put him somewhere and then my wide receivers are Hoover and Stork Stork what is what don't say or no otter when he's like Stork when you came here everybody thought you were like you were brave david she's like that's the candy by the way yeah um now I don't know what the other team so but this is basically revenge at the nerds decided oh we should actually this will be our ending well I mean they just remade the end of the longest yard I would have been like that that's great yeah so you could have gone football basketball would have been weird softball yeah now because it feels like it's fall there it feels like it's it's it's so rugby would have been the other one I think or you could have done track and Hayward fielded Oregon that's true but they're supposed to be a Dartmouth right like this supposed to be the northeast isn't it yeah but there's a shot the ROTC thing you see Hayward field behind the big track dude what among the things that is aged the best is Eugene as a college town oh yeah and there are a few times recently it's so a seven v seven nineteen sixty two in chebrero football something to and it's like we'll let you stay in school if you win this pollution definitely scores you know what it also good old school does a big basically do a decaf one yes like a little bit Olympics yeah this movie is still huge at Oregon I mean they play shout at in between every third and fourth quarter oh yeah yeah what's age the worst I'm sure the Belushi Boyer stuff wouldn't go over awesome these days we mentioned that 13 year old girl and then the angel devil scene yeah I had that one tough one angel devil seeing statutory rate prominent Confederate flag on the wall yeah it's about animal cruelty the the angel devil scene really hits the jackpot of things that she would never happen again especially when we find out that oh young the girl is but I gotta say the devil's like fucker fucker I have one more what's age the worst which is a personal preference thing because obviously he was relatively successful around this I just would love to have seen the rightman or ray miss version of this movie directed I think landis is like this one in blues brothers feel so flat to me yeah and he loves to do like a big master shot where there's like lots of psychags and like recurring bits or whatever but I just wish it had a little bit more pizzazz with the direction and I like what he did with trading places so it's not like I don't like any John Landis movies and I mean don't you find movie it was still like the hardest I ever actually laughed in my life up until that point but these two like blues brothers and animal house are like kind of like a little too static for my tastes yeah landis I'm trying to think of like there's coaches over the years they get too much credit for the teams they had right the casey Jones was like this is like what a coach it was like he had bird parry well ball ball and then you know we've seen football coaches like this too or Mike McCarthy right right let's find out how dare you well Mike McCarthy that one year and it's like Mike McCarthy what a coach and then you know he's available and starts bouncing around and I wonder with landis the the people he had on animal house now I'm sure he gets credit for some stuff and he's been really good in the different books of spinning stuff his way making it seem I think even in the world history for animal house uh most people are bad he immediately started calling it his movie yeah and everybody was like what the fuck man like we like this is all of our life stories pretty famous for revisionist history stuff and it seems like a lot of the people that have worked with him aren't that flattering about him after the fact yeah like Eddie Murphy was another one that really turning out any work within a bunch I know but the last one coming to America he turned on him and then uh do you and just do like the the Beverly Hills cop that said it like Disney World basically the bad one yeah yeah yeah um so I don't know what obviously he was talented but I also feel like if if rightman or ramis had directed this I'm I'm pretty sure it's still been funny there's some some racism stuff that may probably make sense because it's at 1962 but that when you watch that you're like oh what's your major primitive cultures and then it just cuts right to odyssey it's like yeah yeah well and like the the mayor has the lawn jockeys yeah the confederate flag yeah um the only other would say to worse this inspired a lot of copycat stuff including the Mata's ABC sitcom called Delta House you ever see it no Dean Wormer was in it so was flounder McGill was in it his D day widows was in his Hoover Michelle fight for major acting debut and then Ludo's brother Blato played by Josh Mastell zero muscles yeah yikes uh then CBS decided to co-ed fever about all female backster college one episode and then uh brothers and sisters on NBC are frat and sorority sitcom three months I never watched any of these okay and in the late 70s I watched everything I was the only child I did not watch this the Hans Gruber scale villain ranking Neater Meyer Dean Wormer in the finals I think Neater Meyer is pretty iconic can I make the case for Dean Wormer please he hates these guys so much that he fails the amount of college and then says and I notified the local draft boards that you are now that's true that is like it's like actually gonna send you guys off to be murdered yeah sad vote for him uh Neater Meyer this tried to shoot somebody during the parade chaos I will give so then if you say that I'll do the Ruffalo Hannah Rubenecker word I'll give it to Mark Metcalf for Neeter Mire's Spiddle Champion, like spitting in Flounder's face during Ratsy. Well, he, they twisted sister had the, we're not going to take a video and they bring Neeter Mire back to basically play Neeter Mire again, yelling at D Snyder. And that, that actor Mark Metcalf basically, became Neeter Mire. He became Neeter Mire. Yeah. It was like, we've talked about, I think that's a rewatchable category actually in the flexes. Did you, can you escape this, yes, this character? All right. We'll take a break and then we'll do how to stake. All right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to stake award. What do you got, CR? Can we just talk this out for a second? Yeah. Is this movie, or is Blushie's career different if you place Flounder? If Blushie doesn't do like a Blushie, like mega performance, he saves Bluto for the next one. Yeah, or maybe like, and you do Animal House 2 and Flounder becomes Bluto or something like that. I know he's probably a little old to play a freshman. Yeah. But I would have loved to have seen Blushie, like try one different, like sort of speed. He does that in neighbors, which I saw in the theater, where he plays the straight man basically. Yeah. And you're just sitting in the whole time waiting for the Blushie to explode. The other, the only other one was like literally the Tim Matheson thing, whereas just like, this guy does this movie. He's got like, like literally like the platonic ideal movie star looks, goes up for Raiders. It's him, Tom Selleck, Jeff Bridges, and Harrison Ford just got marker corrected a couple of times. And it up like by the time we got to the 90s, he's in a lot of those lifetime type of movies. Yeah. I mean, it was attracted to the nanny is like later period probably highlight would be when he's the VP on West Wing, right? My, my how to stake, I think this movie caused more copycat damage than any other movie ever made. Damage. Yeah. I think it completely wrecked two generations of college kids trying to basically this was black out of the blueprint for like, let's go fucking crazy tonight. They would have done it anyway, but this movie gave them a map to be like, well, we could have a frat like the like all this stuff was kind of happening anyway, but I think this movie like was was the gasoline and the fucking match for the argument that even outside of animal house, like outside of the Greek system, there's some influence of animal house on interior design and houses lived in by like three or more than three or more guys, like where you have, we just put an air hockey table that we found on the sidewalk and hung it on the wall. Like, you know, like the TV is on a milk crate and we have three movies and we watch them on a loop. I think this movie killed more brain cells than any other movie ever. In terms of the impact it had on kids going to college in the future. Yeah. I think just kids being like, someday I'm going to college, I'm going to be like the animal house and just go and fucking nuts. Casting what ifs, the initial cast wish list, Chevy Chase's otter Bill Murray is Boone, Brian Doe Murray is Hoover, Dan Accord is D day in Belushi's Bluto. And Lauren wouldn't let that Lauren thinks not true. Okay. He never would have not let somebody do a movie. Like Accord has said, because they'd based D day on Accord because he wrote a motorcycle and he feels like he should be in this movie. But they're filming it during season three of SNL and Accord was like a huge part of the show and he felt like if both him and Belushi were flying back and forth doing a movie, it would hurt the show. And that's why he said he didn't do it. I believe that story more than I just don't think Lauren would be like, you're not doing this. I'm trying to see how I did now. I mean, I'm a little too old probably, but like I would love to try and do like by coastal potting and just see like if I could do, of see ours in New York, Monday to Wednesday. Yeah. And then I'm back here to do rewatchables Thursday. I'd be dead. Yeah. Like the rewatch supposed to be canceled this week is Bill died from flying back and forth. Chase turned down the film for foul play and there's of course, Landis and Chase disagree on what happened. Like just absolutely busting each other's balls in the press. Yeah, Landis, who I think does spin stuff toward his version of things. He's like, I didn't want Chase to be in it. I told him it was going to be an ensemble and then he felt like, yeah, I was like, you're not going to be the star of this movie and I jet I mind tricked him into saying no. And Chase was like, I was offered foul play with Goldie Haunt. Like of course, I think he was like, as usual, John Landis is full shit or something like that. His full shit, as it usually is, Raymus wrote the part for Boone for himself, but they decided he looked too old, which is funny because half the people in this movie looked too old. And I think that was another Landis call and Raymus was pissed off about it. Still mad about it. Yeah. Landis wanted Jack Webb from Dragnet and Kim Novak to play the Wormers and Jack Webb thought this movie was not funny. That's a good question is does Craig know who Jack Webb is? I don't. Did you ever see that Tom Hanks did Dan Acroid Dragnet? No. Yeah. Two generations removed from that knowing who he is. Brightman wanted to direct, but had no directing skills and they said no thanks. That's that guy word. Really tough because this movie came up 48 years ago, but I went with John Vernon. I think Flounder is the that guy. I think people know what his real name is. Yeah, I guess, but he's not in a ton of stuff. Yeah. Neater Meyer would be the other one. Yeah. Damn waiters. I could offer you Donald Sutherland for two and a half scenes. I could offer you Dean Wormers wife. I could offer you Otis Day or I could offer you Shelley, the girl who was Fawn's roommate who really wanted otter to feel better about this. The girl who Fawn's roommate Craig was right. She's really good. But I'm going to go with Sutherland just because it is like a classic deon waiters of like I'm in two scenes, everybody's like that's Donald fucking Sutherland. He's in mash and then yeah, I have Dean Wormers wife. You can get your finger out of my ass. You want a drunk witchy? I love drunk and witchy. Great stuff. Um, can I just for casting what ifs? I mean, I guess this is also casting couch director city. It's pretty legitimate research that this movie was offered to a bunch of major directors. Yeah. So John Sleshinger who did midnight cowboy. Yeah. Did you believe this? It's in the New York Times oral history. Yeah. So I was kind of like, maybe this is true, but it went out at least to Sleshinger. Alan Prokula, Mike Nichols and George Roy Hill and Bob Raffleson. I didn't understand that at all. That's a major director. George Roy Hill directed this. Well, I mean, he was probably made directed slap shot. It wouldn't have been completely out of the question. I just can't imagine why any of those people would have done this. Which of those directors do you think would have been like, so the 13-year-old? Prokula. Prokula. What are we doing? Yeah. Do I hear 15? I forgot to mention Shelly, two IMDB credits, which is the other one, an episode of Charlie's Angels. Okay. That was it. I thought she was good. I thought I'd like to see no more stuff. She was Robbie Benson's Chicana girl. She dated Emilio Mendez before somebody else, recasting couch director city. Good job. I would do director. I'd like to see rightman do this one for director. Yeah. I'd rightman as director. Craig Flex. Jamie Lee Curtis, a necessary nudity, but I think all of the nudity in this movie is defensible because it's all at the service of these like loser, horny college kids. Yeah. Sure. I actually think all of it's fine for 1978, and it's totally fine. There's one scene where I'm like, Karen Allen's just bare ass and now one scene, just I don't know why that's in the movie. And that's why Sutherland's ass is out is apparently he was like, I, if she was going to have to take her pants off, I was going to take my pants out like a, like a, in solidarity. Sutherland. Yeah. Assault. Because the rest is like, sure. Blue, she's a creep. He's looking in it. All of it actually kind of works. And then there's just the beginning of it. Karen Allen's just putting on a dress. We haven't really talked about her and Riger in what sense just as like they're like in kicking and screaming in this movie. Like they're in the most like relatable, normal relationship. Could he use like one more scene with them? Yeah. Like Karen Allen. Karen Allen. She looks great in this. Looks great. Really one of a kind. Yeah. Something really just like fetching and approachable. Did you have a girlfriend in college when you were like, I love the Boston Red Sox and drinking beer and hanging out with my friends who was just like, when are you going to grow up? Yeah. Yeah. Her like pouring beers at the beginning of the movie behind the bar at Delta, you're like fuck. But he's all, yeah, like like that was also, she's also like the coolest thing ever. Yeah. That's what I like about the character is I'm not positive. She exists in real life. Sure. Trying to think of any friend girlfriend I had who she's like the platonic ideal of a woman in that. Yeah. Half-ess in her research, we mentioned University, Morgan, allowed them to use the campus for 20K, but they were like, don't mention us. And then all these years later, they have like a tour when you go, yeah, here's all the filming locations that you shout between the third and fourth quarters of her football game. Just don't watch the movie. Yeah. We were in it. Black extras had to be bust in from Portland due to the scarcity around the college campus. Christ. Wow. In '78. Yeah. Landis brought the Delta's five days early so they could all bond. Yeah. And they all bond. And the Bruce Span-Gill's room became party central and then the Omega's were in another part. And they all didn't really like each other. It's weird that on a movie like Animal House, they're doing like method acting rules. Yeah. I think I read that like Greg, Greg wanted to party with them, but it was like, you know, I couldn't really so like it just put me more into character and I was like, come on. Do you think they took movies more seriously in the 1970s because we made less of them, right? So if you're in this, it's like, this is a big deal. we have to now I just feel like I'm like yeah I'm an animal house then I'm going to do a thing on friends and neighbors and then you're just kind of bouncing around. I don't know I think there's also something about like you know this these movies back then like also excelled it like finding unknowns and so people were probably like this is my big break I'm going to take it seriously even if it's animal house. True. Belushi went to local nightclubs during filming checked out bands became fascinated by a musician named Curtis Elgato who wore sunglasses and loved the blues and it became the blues brothers. They almost did a sequel Craig it was going to take place during the 1967 summer of love a reunion at Otter's wedding yeah which is funny in itself Otter was going to get married but then when more American graffiti bombed the box office I saw that movie in the theater universal stalls the project Belushi dies and they're done. Yeah I this would have been it was going to be said at hate ashberry I don't know if it necessarily was kind of into the idea. Yeah yeah but I it's like it's a different sensibility than the one that was in this one this kind of like Ivy League prick sensibility. The Wayne Jesse played Otter's Day is my favorite piece of research purchased the rights to the character name they made it up and became Otter's Day in the night. But he doesn't do the music in the movie he's lip-saying yeah and Landis finds out like 25 years later that this guy has been just touring the country doing Otter's days like good for him I guess. Yeah Steven Bishop no relation to my buddy Bish who is also named Steve Bishop. This is a running joke for us that there are two Steve Bishups. Yeah. He was the guy with the guitar. Oh okay. He's had a career in his own started dating Karen Allen after they met in the set dated for years wrote the song separate lives based on their breakup that became a hit song for Phil Collins and Marilyn Martin. Huh. And was in the movie White Nights. I remember because of it. Yeah emotional. Not a great karaoke song. No. Bruce McGill and Tim Mattson started in Black sheep. They're the only actors to start with Chris Farley and John Balushi. Oh wow. Yeah. And then Universal's film president Ned Tannen wanted them to cut the entire black bar scene. Thought there would be rides across America. Big argument back and forth. They sent the movie to Richard Prior and he sent Ned a note saying animal house is fucking funny. Way people are crazy. And then I'm saying is this movie really really hit the gambit of weird things to touch Apex Mountain Balushi. Yes. Yeah. Tim Mattson. I'm gonna say yes. I felt like it like the world was his oyster after this movie. Yes. Cafeteria scenes. Is he also in 1941 with Balushi? Is Mattson? Yeah. Cafeteria scenes. Spent some great cafeteria scenes. Uh yeah dining hall scenes but this is probably up there. This is the best food fight I've ever seen. Yeah I think at narrowly edges just one of the guys that make Greg Tolen. Greg didn't like that one. He just beat it out. Yeah barely. John Landis. I think trading place is personally. Yep. I agree. Handjobs. Why is it soft? I kind of want to google greatest movie handjobs but I'm a little worried this is working for you. Yeah, don't do that. Steven first. Yeah definitely definitely. It goes on to play Dorfman again multiple times right? Yeah. Peter Raggard? No. But I can't off the top of my head think of what it is maybe I think it was Animal House for years but now I think it's Sopranos. Okay. He dates the Russian hooker. And then Tony beats the shit out of it. Cross Atlanta and local hero with the two dying memory. Yeah. College movies. I'm gonna say yes. Toga part is yes. Do you have a second favorite college movie? Old school. Do you have a third favorite? Road trip. I think road trips excellent. I really like that movie. I think everybody wants some is like way up there for me now. It's getting there. Yeah. It's it's aging really nice. Were you ever a PCU fan? Never really. I never really loved Piven. Okay. Yeah. You've only watched his his television series nine. Lloyd. Lloyd. Crews are Hanks. Hanks. I think Hanks. I think Hanks could do Otter. Scorsese or Spielberg? This is really tough. Neither of them obviously it's two different entirely different things. I think it's definitely Spielberg. He basically tries to do this in 1941. Okay. Right. Scorsese would be like there's cocaine. There's all kinds of shagging. Yeah. It's like that when blue she's on the ladder. He's just like scary. Yeah. Pick a nits. I have a few. Just Dean Wormer really need to go digging into the school's constitution to find a reason to expel these guys. They're clearly like they don't go to class. They're all good at zero points. Yeah. We got to put them on probation. We have to look for all these reasons. Yeah. Just fucking kick him out. Yeah. A few of the actors too old for college. No question. But I think that's part of the joke. Wouldn't Mandy hear Bluto in the ladder or see him? Yes. He's moving the ladder over. And could you actually even do that? It's like a 12-foot ladder. Could you jump it up and move it like that? If Flaounder's brother was also had been in the frat, wouldn't he kind of understand if his car got destroyed on like a frat road trip weekend? Yeah. True. And also like I'm not sure I totally understand why Boone's being such an idiot with Katie. Like guy Karen Allen, man. Yeah. Just like that. I got to go on a date with a bunch of like Smith college girls for a weekend. Mrs. Wormer goes to the Delta Party. Yeah. Insane. Just no way that happens. Just like get me a drink. Fondas and a kill in the explosion. Awesome. What? I just need more information. That's where you hire the pods. Yeah. So you do your you do you shape the clay and everything. You put it like a lacquer on it. It's just exploded. But it's like fucking super oven. Yeah. They used to have those in my like arts and crafts class and more information. And they would always be like it was really weird now that I think back about like shop and arts and crafts class when I was a kid because we were around like table saws and kilns and all these chemicals for black rooms for for dark rooms for photos. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, you guys just don't drink that. And don't put your hand in the oven. Right. Why don't we see Flounder Puk on Dean Wormer? I don't know. Big miss. I think at this movie is made 20 years later, we see the puke. Yeah. He's like just covered in puke. They'll figure it out. Can you really just buy 10,000 marbles? Flounder buys 10,000 marbles. I think how many marbles that is? I love that that scene is literally one second long. He's like 10,000 marbles, please. And would a store have 10,000 marbles? Can you go to a store right now by 10,000 marbles? How did they see out of the the float car? They eat me float car. It was like a it's like a tank basically. I don't I don't know. Every time they cut to it, it's just completely covered with float stuff. Yeah. And their Bruce McGill's just just driving and around. That whole that whole sequence is so nuts. Yeah. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast or untouchable. I think a sequel could have worked if Balochie hadn't died. Yeah. I think a reunion thing would have been really funny. I think they could have just like this could have just been a franchise where they just kept making animal houses set throughout the decades. But big mistake. I guess they just like. I mean, we had four American pies. Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergoye the Flores, Zayn Lowe, Robert Evans or somebody else? Boone, here you are, man. Hiya education. But we find you at an all-time low committing statutory rape been drinking, not taking a study seriously. My my Zayn is rusty. I'm sorry. I should probably where do we go from here and where's your 13-year-old child bride going to go with you? We were inspired by Jerry Lewis. I had a I had Dr. Charles Nichols. You'll have to excuse my friend, John Boutowski. He's not feeling well. It would be good. Just one Oscar who gets a blue sheet. I guess so. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Probably an answerable questions. Did this movie create double-sync repurbation? Yeah. Was this a term that existed before this movie? I'm going to say it did not exist. Maybe it was taken from like their college experience, but it is very funny. Yeah. What'd you have? Did this movie invent not only this ex-comedy, but the college comedy, and what were these guys majoring in? Communications. Was that a major back then in 1962? It would have been funny. And Bluto was a big political science guy. Well, that was at least, man. Stuff's happened there. Well, he's pre-med, right? But pre-law. Same thing. Did the Omega's create the Illuminati? The Frat Hazing was pretty, pretty soft. Pretty. It's really real, you know. Kubrick got his wide shut from that scene. This is my big one. Was Greg Gay? I guess so. I do know where it's possible. Two of the hottest girls at that. Mandy and Babs? That's those who were hot. What it was against pre-marital sex, and could barely get it up for a hand job in the car, or kind of thing. Just have some suspicions. - I think we're really, really interested in shooting with the Delta, I don't know, Craig. - Very repressed. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Something's going on with him. - The memorabilia you'd want from this movie. So many choices. - Oh, this is easy for me. It's the fish bowl boobs from behind the bars. - I had the college sweatshirt, Balushi World. - Yeah, that's a great one. - That's a good one. - You can get, I mean, everybody ripped that off sense. You can buy that. I was actually gonna try to speed rush that to wear that for the party, couldn't figure it out. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, Best Life Lesson, don't get mad, get even. - You know, I had your only young ones. Double feature. - Old school. - I have Revenge of the Nerds. - I've never seen Revenge of the Nerds. I don't know if that would ever be a rewatch post, you can find. - Hard to find. - As soon as it's streaming again, it's gonna be a rewatch. - Come on, Ted, sorry, Ted. - Come on, Ted. - Do the right thing. - You love comedy, right? - Yeah, if they comedy, Finn. - What do you have for Double Feature? - Uh, God. - I guess it's old school, yeah, pretty old school. - Another one would be Project X. - Project X for the debauchery, yes. - You can go neighbors, I guess. - It's a great one, but yeah. - Fucking Ben had a Project X party at our house. - He did? - Yeah. - What was that, what do you mean, though? Like a team party or it was like a project that happened? - It was supposed to be 125 people and it turned out to be 400 in the waste game. - What did this happen? - Eh, two months ago. - You fucking kept that under the rug, really? - Well, I was mad about it. And Ben was, and Ben was not happy about it. And then six months later, he's like, it's like, when I had my project, I tried to do this. - Wait, did Ben try to do the mother fucker? I was trying to do the look dad. No one's more disappointed about this than me. - He did. He played all the fucking tricks. - I thought it was gonna be 100. - Kids from other schools started showing up and he was back. - Oh my God, that fucking amazing. - The disaster. But he spent some master man. I think he did all of it. - But did anything go wrong? - Did anything burn down or did anything go wrong? - There's nothing burned down. The cops did come. - Are you still finding like cigarettes in random places and stuff? - It's the maddest I've ever been in him. But I shouldn't know. But the thing is, he can never have a party here again. - I should have showed up like the Dean's wife. - You probably, I honestly wouldn't have been surprised. - It would have been amazing if we were like, I heard about this party tonight. Weird, it's a bill. - Who won the movie? - I'll pull you she. - Pull you she. - Craig, give us your thoughts. - I love this movie. I like it more now than I ever have. When I watched it, whatever, 10 years ago, closer to Zoe's opinion. I was like, okay, it's a little underwhelming maybe. It's a little boring. - The pacing is just different the way it's cut. But I don't know why watching it. I had an absolute blast. It's such a great hang. 'Cause it's a hang movie, which is rare now. It's not really, there's not like a lot of like hard jokes, punch lines in this film. It's more like dirty, dazed and confused. You know what it is, too, is it's just short stories. So, like until the last 30 minutes, there's basically no coherent. It's not really a plot. You know, it's like, here's all these funny things that happened to these guys in college and then at the end it's like, they have to stay in college. So there's gonna be a parade, yeah. - It's just more about the hang. And this movie, for all of it's, you know, it's like it has an age well in certain ways. But it's just like your fun drunk uncle, who is hilarious. And you just put up with like a lot of things. - When was the last time you'd seen it before you watched it for this? - Every couple of years. I'll jump in. I like the interplay between the guys. Like there's real friendship in this movie, which I think a lot of movies have borrowed since. - I think it's actually just quite well acted. I think it's underratedly well acted across the board for how dumb this movie seems like it is. - Yeah, Matheson, the record's great. I think he's really funny in this. - And I think movies back then, compared to comedies now. Like I don't know, even though this movie's about a lot of stupid stuff, like there are a lot of commentaries on society and what's going on across the country. And now, I think comedies are a little bit more siloed in what they're trying to say. And they're more just about like the punchline on the screen. - There's also like comedies are a little bit more high concept now. So it'll be like, this is a comedy about how like a guy will die in five days if he doesn't meet the love of his life. - I just watched a college movie on Hulu Pizza movie, which is starting a stranger, thinks kid in a cell, but like a kid in a dorm, who takes drugs. - Oh, yeah. - And I mean, it is what it, but it's like, it's not saying anything, it's just a fun, crazy comedy about a guy taking drugs in college, but it's not, it's not wider than the very narrow scope of the movie. - Right. - And these movies back then were just, were different. - They're actually doing good. - They're thinking some Watergate Vietnam, this and stuff in here too, in smart ways. That's not over the top, like what we have now. - Yeah, and I think that they're sort of umbrella excuse for the way that this movie, and the 13 year old stuff is almost so beyond the pale, but like, they're like, it was an equal opportunity, we made fun of everybody, you know, kind of thing. - I also think sometimes when you have to work within parameters, the movie gets better. Like, you know, the script was apparently way, way, way, rancher than it actually was, but universal kind of putting, like guardrails on the movie, I actually think ends up, you have to make it work and actually make it funny for it to validate being in the film. And it can't just be raunchy for raunchy sake. It's just like rape scenes apparently that they cut. - Yeah, so I think sometimes when you have kind of, the off the wall style, and you pair it with a studio, and you have to kind of land in the middle, sometimes it is the best outcome. It's a classic. - It's a classic. That's it for comedy months. We ended up doing four quote unquote, political and correct movies. - Something about Mary Tropic Thunder, Borat, Animal House. - Yeah, four movies that definitely push the envelope for different ways to go back and revisit, which is the one that you feel like. - Honestly, Borat, I was just, you missed that episode. You were at a hypothesis wedding. Borat just, I was on the treadmill, and I almost fell off like four times. I don't know why it just fucking kills me. - It's really, but all of them I thought held up really well. I think there's something about Mary is, we've been with that movie now for 28 years, so you know all the bits, but it's still, Warren still makes me laugh. Especially when Warren came back in the last survivor episode, just see that. Jonathan's brother came back dressed like Warren. - That's right. - It was amazing. Comedy month though, pretty fun. - What's next? - So we're doing, we're gonna do summer from hell, starting next week. All movies that are dot, dot, dot from hell. We've talked about this for a long time. - You announced the June 1st movie or no? - Yeah, so the first one is gonna be 2001, computer from hell. And then Netflix, Netflix licensed a bunch of movies for this, so it's gonna be, and I don't know if we're gonna do all of them, but hand that rocks a cradle, single way, female, good son, Pacific Heights, which I don't know if they're able to license. - That's the one I was most excited about. - I was most excited about that one. Domestic disturbance, which is in the running for funniest, unintentionally funniest movie of the 2000s. And a bunch of others, so they're all on there. So from hell, it might be last longer than a month. - Okay. - Might be like a month and a half. - What a way to ring in the World Cup. - So mail bags as well, yeah, in honor of our World Cup people. All right, thanks Craig. Thanks to how, thanks Chris Ryan. See you next week in the rewatch, later.