Andrew Kolvet Blames Me For Erika PR Backlash | “Mormon Mafia” History Explained | Ep 364

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It turns out that most people in the rational world think that someone demonstrating repeat compassion for the man that she believes murdered her husband while displaying repeat anger at the person who's trying to figure out if that person, Tyler actually even did it, or if more people were involved, that did not go over so well with the public. So how did they respond? Well, Andrew Colbett, PR disaster, came out of the gate today swinging and attempted to blame me for the article, alleging that I colluded with the Daily Mail journalists to publish the article. In effect, I called myself a BI and a soulless ghoul so that I could then respond to the article on the show. We're talking about the Daily Mail. Go try to find a nice article about me in the Daily Mail or really anywhere, actually. They are running the PR game. Obviously, they've been very favorable to Erica. And I just have to say, that is an Olympic stretch. I mean, the stretchiest stretch of all PR stretches. I am telling you, that man is losing it. Andrew Colbett has officially lost it. This is going to backfire so badly to pretend that the article was fictionalized because heads would have to roll. People would have to be fired. They'd be forced to issue a retraction. So before we get into what he attempted to claim, before he was, of course, met with a community note on X, we first need to dive back into where we left off on Monday, the term Mormon Mafia. Who and what does that refer to specifically? Today is an episode where you have to take out your notebooks, students, because it is a lot to learn, but it is very important and absolutely fascinating. Welcome back to Candace. All right, so the Mormon Mafia, who among you has even heard of that term? So I gave you the context of my having first heard the term from Courtney Love, of all people, and I genuinely had no idea what she was talking about, what she was referring to. We were talking about Hollywood, and she was then telling me, everyone talks about Zionists, but you have to understand, you have to understand, the relationship between the Zionists and the Mormons, controlling everything in Hollywood and music and publishing rights. I was totally confused. I will be clear, however, that in my personal experience, I very much believe there is a Zionist mafia operating because there always has been one. I think Michael Jackson alluded to that before his death. Kanye West alluded to that after his gym trainer, Harley Pasternak, threatened to drug him and take his children away. What kind of gym trainer writes that kind of stuff? And I have to tell you guys, and this is not even a joke, one of the reasons, among many, that I was fired from the Daily Wire, a specific reason that they listed was I suggested that there could be a Jewish mafia in Hollywood in my coverage of Michael Jackson's death. It was deemed an anti-Semitic suggestion, the mere suggestion that there could be a Zionist mafia. But actually, it's kind of a simple fact of history that the Jewish mafia started Hollywood. I mean, we covered various aspects of that in our podcast. Now we're reading of Hollywood Babylon in our book club. But beyond that, Ergon, the underground Jewish terrorist organization that were operating in Palestine, ruthlessly murdering people to ensure that Israel became a nation. They just believed violence was the means to get what they wanted. And when I say murdering people, I don't want you to think that I'm just referring to Palestinians. I mean, British people, whoever and whatever was in their way, they were behind the infamous King David hotel bombing. They loved to use it. They loved to use bombs in Jerusalem in 1946. To be clear, the hotel at that time was operating as the British military headquarters in Jerusalem. They just bombed it, killing 91 people in one go in 1946. And yes, that gang came to America and manifested here. Zionist gang became known as the Stern gang. And they kept up political lobbying and bombings, which made its way all the way to the White House. Check out this article about what they did to President Harry S. Truman. This is a headline in the New York Times. It reads, Letter bombs mailed to Truman. And it tells us that the so-called Stern gang of the Zionist terrorists tried to assassinate President Truman by letter bomb in 1947, according to a new biography written by Mr. Truman's daughter, Ms. Margaret Truman Daniel writes, quote, a number of cream colored envelopes, about eight by six inches, arrived in the White House, addressed to the president, and various members of the staff. They were found to contained a powdered Gellignite, a pencil battery, and a detonator rigged to explode the Gellinite, pardon me, Gellinite, when the envelope was opened. But when the White House mailroom alerted to the danger of postal bombs, discovered the letters and had them diffused by the Secret Service bomb experts, Mrs. Daniel writes in her book, Harry S. Truman. Now, members of this Zionist gang, which began in Mandatory Palestine, were also Canaanites. Literally, it's one of the craziest things that knowing the history of the creation of the State of Israel is enough to warrant someone being labeled an anti-Semite. This is stuff that is just freely available for you to look up on even Wikipedia. Okay, take a look at this in Wikipedia entry referred to as Canaanism. It reads, it tells you that Ergun was a Jewish Canaanite. Canaanism was a cultural and ideological movement founded in 1910. In 1939, reaching its peak among the Jews of Mandatory Palestine during the 1940s. It had a significant effect on the course of Israeli art, literature, and spiritual and political thought. Its adherents were called Canaanites. Okay, and then it tells you that most of its members were former members of Ergun or Lehi. Look at the art that they created on the right side of this Wikipedia entry. It says, Nimrod. Okay, a visual emblem of the Canaanite idea. So they were creating art based on their beliefs. And who were the Canaanites in the Bible, guys? Ball worshipers. Okay, that's just a fact. It's right in your face. You wonder what's going on. Why are they doing what they're doing in Gaza and Palestine? Yeah, you gotta go back into the history. Anyways, point I'm making here is Ergun was a Jewish Canaanite gang. No one denies that it was a terrorist group that killed a lot of people. It was a terrorist group that killed a lot of people. One of its members was a man named Benjamin Emanuel. That is the father of Ari Emanuel, one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful man in Hollywood. His brother is Rahm Emanuel, one of the most powerful names in the Democratic Party in politics. He was the director of public affairs under Bill Clinton before he became his senior advisor. Rahm was also the chief of staff under Barack Obama. And then he became the mayor of Chicago when he became the mayor of Chicago. A lot of corruption in Chicago, as we know. Their father was literally in a Jewish terrorist gang. Okay, so I bring up that point only to underscore the absurdity of people trying to suggest that it's anti-Semitism to note the plausibility of Jewish gangs that are affiliated with Hollywood and within politics, especially when so many entertainers have died in mysterious circumstances. How many celebrities can drown in a bathtub before it gets weird? How many people die in a bathtub before it gets weird? How many people do you know that have just drowned in bathtubs in general? Okay, I believe Kanye West always have, always will, and based on my own literal experience in politics, I have been threatened, my livelihood has been threatened, and I have been gang-stalked by Zionists throughout the court system and beyond. But I digress, because you're probably thinking, what does Mormonism have to do with it? So I want to be clear that whenever we're covering any sort of mafia or gang, we're not suggesting that every person, of that race or religion or ethnicity, is a member of that mafia, because that's just dumb. In fact, in most circumstances, the actual gang members rely on people who are not in the gang to be outraged, because it gives them cover, right? Criminals benefit best when they can mix in amongst regular, hardworking people. There is corruption everywhere. Obviously, it usually exists at the top. So the term Mormon mafia, where does it come from? If you just Google it, you are going to learn that it is a, a colloquial term that is usually referring to, and I'll quote, the trusted Latter-day Saints inner circle of businessmen and accountants who were hired by billionaire Howard Hughes in Las Vegas during the 1960s. Okay, so Howard Hughes is the name that we need to reference. Who is, or rather, who was Howard Hughes? Howard Robert Hughes Jr. was one of the richest and most influential people in the world. throughout his lifetime. He lived from 1905 to 1976. He was so influential that Leonardo DiCaprio actually played him in the movie The Aviator. I have not seen that. I don't watch a lot of movies. I heard it was a good movie. But he was beyond just a businessman. He was an aerospace engineer, an investor, a builder, a film producer, you name it. We do not have time to go over every area and aspect of his vast wealth and empire. So I'm going to really just minimize it into three main characters for you on this graphic, okay? In film industry, he made his name as a film tycoon. He was a producer and an investor beginning in the 1920s behind such films as Scarface and Hell's Angels, eventually acquiring ownership of RKO Studios. To make Hell's Angels, he actually assembled the largest private air force in the world. He was also an aerospace engineer, in 1932. Howard Hughes founded the Hughes Aircraft Company, started off by renting a hangar within Lockheed Aircraft. Then there's Howard Hughes Medical Institute, okay? That was his charitable arm. He formed that in 1953 to fund basic medical research. He was also inspired, just so you know the backstory, to get into medicine because both of his parents died young. His mother from an ectopic pregnancy, and I can't remember the reason that his dad died young, of a heart attack, actually. And so he was interested in just health in general. He inherited, at the age of 19, his family fortune because both of his parents died, and that impacted him, obviously. Hughes Aircraft was eventually transferred into his charity, so people thought that he did that because it was this massive organization, and now it was, you know, protected by being inside of a charity, so he didn't have to pay taxes on it. Las Vegas. Okay, so this is interesting. Howard Hughes, in the last 10 years of his life, began buying up casinos and hotels and restaurants in Las Vegas, including the Desert Inn, where he would eventually become a reclusive. The Sands Hotel. On that last point is where it gets even more fascinating because Howard Hughes himself was not a drinker. He was not a partier. He did not do drugs. He was committed to his businesses. He was also, while he was in business, exceedingly paranoid about communists and their ability to infiltrate companies and take them over. Now, he was so paranoid, this is a fact, that he shut down his film studio after he acquired it, RKO. For six months, he shut it down to investigate the political leanings of every single employee. Imagine doing that. That was in 1948. He's like, okay, shutting this down. I need to make sure none of you are commies. Ironically, 1948 was the same year that Israel became a country. But I'm just letting you know that that was a major concern that he had always in the back of his mind. And that is, of course, what was going on in the world, the Red Scares. But of course, with an empire the size of his, you can only be so paranoid, right? You have to trust somebody. You have to trust your lieutenants, right? You can't be a one-man band worth billions. Howard Hughes thought for sure, okay, if I'm going to be able to trust people, I can trust people who live like me. How about a religious group that's forbidden from drinking and smoking and gambling? They live like me, okay? I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I'm going to trust the Mormons. One person who he trusted was a man named Frank William Gay. He was a member of the LDS Church, Latter-day Saints, who he initially hired just to run a subsidiary of his tool business. It was Frank William Gay who would then begin hiring people around him, hiring what became known as the Mormon Mafia, who would surround Howard Hughes during the rather bizarre last 10 years of his life when he experienced an entirely higher shift in his behavior. Like I said, he became a virtual recluse. He rented out the penthouse floor of the desert inn in Vegas. Then he outright purchased the hotel, casinos, all while he was kept holed up. He would see no one but these Mormon men who surrounded him. And then they started telling stories about his last years and why he didn't want to see anyone. Again, this was in stark contrast to the businessman that the world had come to know and love. The public was told that the reason that Howard Hughes suddenly didn't want to see anybody and became a recluse was because he was in pain from injuries that he had endured over his lifetime. So he began taking painkillers. He then developed severe debilitating OCD, which made him avoid all contact with the outside world because he was a germaphobe. And that was just some of the very odd things and disturbing habits and rituals that they said that he developed. Here is an article describing the only men who had is this in Time Magazine? Yes, it's entitled The Keepers of the King. It tells us, this was published, by the way, in 1976, Time Magazine. It tells us they had no lavish corporate suites, no direct authority over other senior Hughes employees, practically no business experience. They did, however, have two striking advantages. They were, with a single exception, adherent to Mormonism, a religion that embodies Howard Hughes's aversion to drinking and smoking, and they had direct, unlimited access to the king himself. They also never talked. One reporter described them as men without mouths. They were Hughes's so-called Mormon mafia, the six gentlemen in waiting who were recruited by the Sumo Corporation. Bill Gay himself, a Mormon, attended the Croesus day and night and in eight-hour shifts. They were assisted by four physicians on 24-hour calls and five lesser functionaries, including Gordon Margillis and Mel Stewart, it goes through the names here, for their services. The six senior aides were paid as much as $110,000 a year each. They equipped his various hideaways, decided which messages would reach him. They censored his reading matters. In short, they controlled Howard Hughes and the public image of him. So how does this end? Suddenly, this big guy is not leaving anywhere. Well, Howard Hughes died, and I have to tell you, it was a remarkably suspicious death, not unlike Michael Jackson's, if you ask me. Officially, Howard Hughes died of kidney failure on April 5th, 1976. He was aboard a jet, actually, a jet that was owned by a man named Robert Graff, G-R-A-F. Now, that surname may have you wondering, because of recent news, is that like the newly appointed Judge Tony Graff in the Tyler Robinson case? Truly, I have no idea if there's any relation. But what I do know about Robert Graff, who owned this jet, is very interesting. He was the founder of Robert Graff, Inc., which became Duncan Aviation. His business partner was Donald Duncan. Yes, that Duncan Aviation, with the mysterious transponding Egyptian planes on the day of Charlie's assassination. That was Robert Graff's company, renamed Duncan Aviation in the 60s. Yeah, that Duncan Aviation that had that Egyptian plane take off for Delaware shortly before the assassination. It is just a small world, but I digress. Here are the facts regarding the investigation into the death of Howard Hughes, which the investigation had to take place due to a fight over his estate. Despite being OCD, he somehow didn't put together a will for his vast empire. It tells us that after 18 months studying and investigating, Hughes' drug abuse, a man who didn't do drugs his whole life and hired Mormons because they didn't do drugs, suddenly died a drug addict. It was discovered after this investigation that, quote, someone administered a deadly injection of the painkiller codeine to this virtually comatose man, obviously needlessly and almost certainly fatal dose. We then learn that he suffered from malnutrition and he was covered in bed sores while his kidneys were damaged. His other internal organs, including his brain, which had no visible damage or illnesses, were deemed perfectly healthy. X-rays revealed five broken off hypodermic needles that were inside the flesh of his arms. When he died in 1976, his body was so thin that observers likened him to a captive from a Japanese prisoner of war camp. That was the condition that that man was in. Beyond that, it was discovered that in the hotel room that he was being kept for years, unseen by anyone outside of the Mormon mafia. The blinds had not been drawn for years. They were rotting from no use. So we are to believe at the same time that this man had debilitating OCD and germaphobe for germaphobia, but so much so that he didn't want to leave, but also that his personal hygiene, he was absolutely filthy. Nails grown out, hair grown out, unshowered, bed sores, not even turned over. But don't worry, they brought in the psychologist to testify that that's actually something that we term the clean. healthy paradox. Okay. Okay. He thinks other, it's a lot to explain. You always got to bring in a psychologist to explain nonsense. In effect, during those years, his business was being run entirely by his LDS lieutenants, people that he trusted, every aspect of it. And after he died on Robert Graff's plane, the fight for his $2.5 billion estate began. People just coming in saying, oh no, I should inherit it. There was a mysterious handwritten note, which was filed by the Church of the Latter-day Saints, which they claimed was his last will and testament. That claim was summarily rejected by the courts. It was a 34-year legal battle until eventually it was decided that the majority of his fortune, around $1.5 billion, would be controlled by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, the charity that I told you he started. And that he had transferred the Hughes aircraft into. Now, charities have trustees that make the decisions on the board. And when he was alive, he was the trustee to his own charity. Of course, when he died, the trustee of the board became Frank William Gay, his trusted Mormon, who, it would be discovered later, was at one point working with the CIA. Now, today, that charity, the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, is a charity that's been working with the CIA for a long time. The Howard Hughes Medical Institute has an endowment of $24 billion. Billion dollars controlled by trustees. And the companies outside of the charity, of which there was many, the casinos, the real estate, the movie rights, all of that was placed under a holdings company, Howard Hughes Holding Company. It was a sumo company before that. And deals were made, okay? We can update you today to who owns all this stuff. Today, his Las Vegas Sands Resort, obviously, is controlled and operated by Miriam Adelson. It was Sheldon Adelson that had it. And, of course, he passed away recently. So, Miriam Adelson controls that. Steve Wynn controls the Frontier Hotel and Casinos and the Desert Inn, the place where Howard Hughes became a reclusive, never drew the shades. Steve Wynn eventually demolished that. And today, it is the famed Wynn Las Vegas Hotel. The real estate empire is still being operated with his name, Howard Hughes Holding Incorporated. American hedge funder Bill Ackman was and is the executive chairman of Howard Hughes Incorporated. He was, from 2010 to 2024, he was the executive chairman for, he retired for a couple of months, but then changed his mind last year in May of 2025. Bill Ackman made a $900 million investment into Howard Hughes Holding Incorporated, returning him back to that executive chair position. I should also mention that Frank William Gay, the trusted Mormon, he had a son, Robert Gay, who became the managing director of Mitt Romney's Bain Capital for 16 years. So, why am I telling you that? Because the story is interesting. It's just interesting to think about that. A man who lives his life, and then we are told in the end that he kind of reversed course on everything that he was. He becomes a drug addict, his empire gets smashed, divided, and the articles reflect that he was infiltrated, or heavily imply, of this Mormon mafia, as they termed it. That's where the term literally comes from. And it's interesting, and the reason why I came across this guy's name, truly, I am not a movie person, was because when I was researching one of the Maroon Boys, who I'm not naming at this time, I did discover that he was a relative of the Hughes family empire. I thought, oh, who is this? Who is this Howard Hughes? And then I was speaking to some LDS church members who were then telling me the story, and I started reading the articles and going, wow, this is super fascinating. It's also interesting because I have been consistently telling you guys before all of this, before I knew anything, that ostensibly Turning Point USA is an evangelical Christian organization. But in reality, it's a lot of Mormons. Like, half of the company, it's Mormons. Tyler Boyer, I have been telling you from the beginning, was the person that was in control of everything. The hiring, the firing. Charlie, he has described, yeah, he followed Charlie. Charlie did all the work. But Tyler controlled a lot of things. There are a ton of LDS church members who work for Turning Point USA who were brought in by Tyler. In fact, on the day that he was murdered, Charlie himself confirmed that. You don't have to take my word for it. You can take Charlie's word for it. At UVU, this is what he said. Take a listen. I'm an evangelical Christian. We're going to have fun with this. But I'm not one of those guys that eats on Mormons. Half my team is Mormon. He's telling the truth. And then he says, Andrew, he's not referring to Andrew Colbert. He's referring to the person that picks what stops he goes on to. And yeah, who runs the field program. That is a Mormon. And Tyler's a Mormon. He's talking, Terrell's a Mormon. Terrell's the guy who takes down the cameras, the Farnsworth guys. And all of these people knew Erica before Erica knew Charlie. These families knew Erica before Erica knew Charlie. Tyler Boyer handled the money at Turning Point USA. I have text messages to that effect, proving that he was behind Turning Point Action. He was the COO first of Turning Point USA, then became the COO of Turning Point Action. And yes, he brought in Erica of that. There is no doubt they have both admitted that. But she can't remember how she knows him. She told me maybe through Senator John Kill. Maybe that's what she told me in our face-to-face meeting. But she can't recall that specific detail of the guy who set her up to go on a interview. With the love of her life, apparently. I remember the last face-to-face conversation that I had with Tyler. We were backstage at AmFest, and I was telling him that Charlie should just debate Nick Fuentes. There was some stuff going on, as usual, at these events in the hallways. And I was like, just sit down and just have the debate. I think it's just worth having it. And he told me that Turning Point USA was never not going to be pro-Israel. It would always be pro-Israel. In retrospect, that's a weird thing to say. Especially a weird thing to consider, since its founder was quite literally going against Israel in those last months. Charlie Kirk wrote explicitly he had no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause. And according to Charlie, he felt that he was being morally blackmailed at Bill Ackman's house in the Hamptons by Seth Dillon and others. I'll be clear, he didn't say Bill Ackman morally blackmailed him, but Seth Dillon, he did say. I've been morally blackmailed by Seth Dillon, so I know exactly what Charlie Kirk was referring to. He was being pressured. And he decided, no, no more. It's a phone call from Bibi Netanyahu. We still don't know really what happened during that phone call, but we know his wife was by his side. We know that Charlie wanted to, seven days before he died, to establish a Doge audit at his company. That's a fact. He doesn't know, apparently, where all the money is going. I am told specifically by Turning Point employees that the money was missing out of Turning Point action. That is Tyler's arm. And yes, it may or may not be relevant that Tyler is sitting on the board of a company with Erica's mother, Lori Fronsfay, who had those relationships with the Mormons, like Terrell Farnsworth, before Charlie knew who Lori Fronsfay and Erica Fronsfay were. We are told that Charlie and Erica had an appointment to change his will, which was scheduled for the Monday after he died. He never made it to that Monday. He never made it to that appointment. He's then murdered in Utah. And then his wife assumes the reins of the company. The audit is magically cancelled. Turning Point becomes virtually unrecognizable. Ben Shapiro slides into Charlie's studio with a million dollar check in hand. Not even Ben Shapiro himself, or Blake Neff, could stomach the lie that Andrew Colvett tried to spin that Ben and Charlie were friends. They actually came out and told the truth, because I was gonna go like max on that, and I actually pulled back on dropping even more text messages when Blake Neff admitted, and Ben admitted that they were not friends. But Andrew Colvett attempted to tell that lie to the public, and that should terrify you, about the people that were surrounding Charlie Kirk. To be so willing to so quickly pervert a dead man's beliefs. Erika then goes on a Shabbat Shalom book tour immediately, first thing. She sits down with Barry Weiss, the New Yorker. Times, her and Charlie's home. And of course, it should be noted that Erica herself is very close with the Vegas casino families, flying around on their planes. That's a fact. As is the fact that one of the only times that Erica has ever responded to anything publicly and directly was when somebody alleged that she was dating Blake Wynn of the Wynn Casino Dynasty. I've never, just to be clear, seen any evidence of that. I have never stated that. I didn't even cover that. For the record, it appears that they are very close friends, but I never ever heard that they were dating. But she did feel the need to comment aggressively to that. All of this just feels a bit remniscient to me, right? A man living his life one way, relying on his lieutenants, not knowing what was really going on around him. And then suddenly he picks up his head and starts asking questions. And now we see the organization that he left behind, the one that he built, doing a complete 180 on virtually everything he believed. The very people that he trusted the most in his inner circle are doing a 180 on the things that Charlie believed. Anyway, it's all just something to think about. We'll be right back after the break. All right, you guys, the smartest investing decisions come down to timing and trust. And right now may be one of the best opportunities that we've seen in years. Gold is currently about 25% below its all-time high earlier this year, but prices may not stay there for long. Deutsche Bank recently projected that gold could double in value by 2031. At the same time, the dollar continues to lose purchasing power. That's why central banks around the world are buying gold at record levels and now hold more gold than dollars. When the institutions managing national reserves are moving into gold, it's worth considering doing the same. 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Blake Neff went on to the podcast and said, yeah, no, Charlie had issues with Ben, but he did consider him at least an ally in the movement you know, he was constantly texting about him, making fun of him. Andrew was just going to keep it, keep it up and just tell an extraordinary lie, reverse the truth. Candace was an enemy and Ben was a friend that tells you Andrew Colvett's character. And so I am not surprised at what he is attempting today. It is, it is very stupid what he's attempting. It's unbelievably stupid because it's so easy to debunk. Of course, we showed you yesterday, another PR disaster from start to end. And it has been a disaster. It just has. Andrew Colvett has been driving that bus. She also told me they brought in crisis PR teams and these people are just not reading the public sentiment from the very beginning. What actually began this slide was that tour when she went on to Fox News and then did Barry Weiss. She did like a bunch of shows in one week. And then they asked her about the podcaster, Candace Owens, name checking me. And she'd stop, just stop. And people were like, whoa, you kind of demonstrated compassion for Tyler Robinson on stage. And we've got these evil eyes for Candace. What's up? Right. What's up with that? And the Daily Mail article reflected that stance. Compassion again for Tyler Robinson. They were using direct quotes throughout the entire article. Direct quotes coming from a family friend who I speculated was Tracy, because that is the only person I know that is friends with Erica's family who has been vocally speaking to people in the press. It was a guess. Anyway, and Andrew Colva comes out and says that I'm behind the article. He tweeted this. We never received any requests for comment. We are told that they attempted to send one, but we can't find it. It is strange given that every other outlet on the planet seems to know how to reach us, including the Daily Mail. That was the first clue that something very suspicious was going on here. Anybody who actually knows Erica knows this is not how she talks, which calls into question. Who this so-called anonymous source actually is. There isn't a single word that is an accurate depiction of Erica's views or comments publicly or privately. I personally never even heard Erica swear at someone. For starters, Erica has remained remarkably restrained, though she has ample reason not to be. The story was so bad, the Daily Mail had to make a major update to it once it was confronted with facts, including retracting their claim that the source was a family member of the egregious correction to have to make for a tabloid. It's unfortunate to see the Daily Mail doing the bidding of Candace Owens, who of course used it as rage bait on her show because she has no actual evidence to discuss as she continues this very lucrative investigation. Maybe she's the anonymous source. Okay, so when you have spare time, go onto the Daily Mail website and type in my name. They hate me. Hate me. Absolutely. The coverage of me, it's positively atrocious. I mean, the amount of times I have called out the Daily Mail on this show for the hatred that they have of me. And then do yourself a challenge and type in Erica Kirk in Turning Point USA, and you will see the exact opposite coverage. So of course, we immediately put up the email that we received asking us for comment, as it always is a few hours before the piece goes up, and which we responded immediately. And they said that Erica was coming after us in a piece, and here's what she was going to say. We gave a comment. The article was up a couple of hours later, and we covered it on the show. The idea that I'm colluding with the press anywhere. Where can Candace Owens get a good, fair article written about her at all? Everything is, she's demonic. She's evil. She's awful. Erica's a grieving widow, and he is now accusing me of having some sophisticated apparatus where I'm calling myself a BI and a soulless ghoul. So I challenge him. Andrew, this is made up, truly. The only thing that's made up is what you're saying, obviously. You're now facing backlash, probably under a little bit of pressure. Because this was a really dumb article to plan against me, and you guys work, have proven that you work with Daily Mail because you chose them and sent them the video of Erica Kirk being named by Charlie Kirk. The public's not allowed to see it, but the Daily Mail was allowed to see it. We know you work with them. So to pretend that you don't have an established relationship, anybody is free to see. And to blame me, that is the definition of somebody striking you while crying out in pain. That is Andrew Kovett right now, in a nutshell, striking me while crying out in pain because it backfires. backfired like every single one of their attacks. Erica name checked me when she was dressed like Janet Jackson. That backfired. That was a bad idea. Multiple. He acts like she's never come after me. She's come after me. She has come after me and name checked me multiple times. And every time she does it, it backfires. And this time you're now like actually every time say it's my fault. Right. This NCRI article that you were promoting a digital assassin. This is all you. I don't have a PR apparatus. Okay. Mitchell receives the request and he asks me if I want to comment nine out of 10 times. I say, Mitchell, you can say whatever you want. I don't care because I don't get any good press. It doesn't matter for me to try to clean up or correct or say anything. The press hates me. I'm at war with the press at all times because they are an extension of the state. And Erica is deeply protected by the state. Everybody can see that. So it's just incredible. Obviously, immediately my PR person dropped the receipts, Mitchell, and showed the article and was just like, you're blaming us because you're terrible at PR. Here is the email that we received from the Daily Mail asking us to comment and we did comment. And so I am challenging. This is like, this is so open and shut. If the Daily Mail created an article of which actually secretly Candace was behind and attributed quotations, they have not removed the article. They have not issued any retraction. Turning Point USA could very well get them, get a lawyer to send out and demand that they retract it. They're using direct quotations. You can't do that. That is the clearest case of defamation ever for an article to make for a journalist, a senior reporter, no less, to make up quotations out of whole cloth that never happened. And here's what I will say. I am so sick of this. Now they're saying, I've never even heard Erica swear. I've never even heard her swear. Do you think we're dumb? Do you think people can't watch her during her pageant years? When she's trying out for every real, you know, reality and TV and Erica literally says she's asked a question. What is something you wish that you could say to your younger self? Advice that you wish you could give to your younger self? And she says, don't try cocaine. Well, that's weird advice to give Erica used to party. Okay. That's fine. By the way, the idea that Erica has never swore and doesn't swear again, is this bizarre caricature that they have been trying to build of Erica as like this strong, loving Christian who never does anything wrong. Erica really is a nun behind the scenes. I have told you explicitly she's nasty behind the scenes. She is. Any comment, Andrew Kovana, what I'm saying about her calling priests and calling people and telling them to pull out of a Catholic prayer event because I was going to be praying? I bet that had nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with you guys. Is that the sweet Christian girl that you're talking about? No, she operates behind the scenes. She has been operating behind the scenes and she works with you. What kind of Christian lies about a surgeon call? What kind of Christian would just say, lie explicitly, say, Andrew Kovana went rogue, the surgeon went rogue, and I had no idea about it. That's not true. Would you like to double down on that claim, Andrew? How about you do that? If I'm lying and she's so pure and innocent, then why don't you guys respond to that? Did the surgeon go rogue and violate HIPAA and speak to you one-on-one? Alone? Without Erica's approval? Did you tweet that without Erica's approval? Honest Erica? She's never told a lie. She's never swore. She's never used that language. She's just so pure. Who are you fooling? Who do you guys think you are fooling with this repeat act? I could have thrown in her time when she was partying, people that were reaching out, telling me about how she partied, people who partied with her. We left all that off the table because Erica was in her 20s and Erica was in her 20s. I could have thrown in her time when she was partying, I mean, I was not doing drugs and cocaine, but I certainly partied. I always tell people that I was partying in New York City. Catch me at PhD, the electric room, One Oak. So we left off the table. But the idea that you're now trying to paint her as so innocent that she doesn't swear so that you can blame me for what you guys not just did to me, have been doing to me non-stop, promoting influencers that attack me non-stop, go after my family. It's unbelievable, Andrew. Your PR strategy is a nightmare. So I am challenging you. I am asserting definitively that I had nothing to do with that Daily Mail article. I have nothing to do with any press that's being written about Erica because the press hates me. I'll go to court with you. You get them for defamation. If Candace was behind these direct quotations taken from a family friend, an article that has not been retracted, I am your ally, Andrew. That's really dirty business for a senior reporter to do. That person should be fired. You should actually pursue that. That would be a good use of your time rather than tweeting stupidity into the universe, as seems to be the full-time job of both you and Blake. Anyway, a couple of things that I did want to respond to from yesterday's episode. We got a lot of emails and tomorrow is when we are going to cover, obviously, who Ben Shapiro was allegedly lunching with when he found out and got the news and his security sprung into action and spoke to still don't know who on the phone in the car. A couple of people thought that the car looked like it was burned, that the panel was black and brown. That's actually, just so you guys know, you can get, that's just an option on a car. That one looks particularly dry, but you can get that option on a car. I've seen that many times. We're actually showing you that that is a full option on a car. That's not any type of conspiracy there, that there is black and that there is brown. I want to comment on people who noted that Mikey had two phones. We've been getting a lot of emails about this. Mikey having two phones in the news clip that we showed you yesterday, walking into the hospital. Also, it's a fact, Mikey did have two phones when him and Charlie walked into the event. The reason why I have not commented on that and also Blake Neff oddly saying, I put that phone away, that implies there's another phone. Everyone would just say, I put my phone away. And Blake that phone away. And I can show you that clip. Take a listen. I remember he calls Erica. I around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go. And I remember that call. And I, around the time I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy. Okay. I put that phone away. That's, that is strange. That is, you would say, I put my phone away. You would not say I put that phone away unless there was another phone. But we don't have, um, anything concrete. And what I mean is what I can say definitively is that when me and Charlie did events, a lot of times we would hand our phones to our assistants. So I don't know if Charlie had his phone. I've not yet seen, or I guess I should say I haven't myself looked to see if Charlie had his phone on the table in front of him because Mikey could just be holding Charlie's phone and Mikey could have taken Charlie's phone to the hospital. Um, I will look for that, but that's the reason why I haven't replied. And obviously Blake and F saying that phone isn't enough evidence to suggest that all of them had two phones. Mikey may have had two phones. That's, that is a plausibility, but it is also a plausibility that Charlie gave his phone, um, to Mikey just ahead of the event. Cause I did that a lot with Charlie would hand our phones to our assistants and then we would go on stage. So, um, I'll leave it at that. And I do also want to show you one more, um, email that we got from a seamstress regarding what was in the car. She wrote Candace and Baron. She CC'd Baron on this email. I am a seamstress for 20 plus years. That item clearly has a seam referring to the burned item on the floor. And you can see the precise spacing of each thread in the seam. I have included photos of the areas that I am referencing. I believe the larger portion of the cloth that we see that we can see is the outside of the shirt evidenced by the visible seam line on the top. It appears the shirt is folded. So the side of the shirt, I also included a photo of what makes sense to me of how that seam would fit onto the shirt. It would be on the lower portion of the sleeve. Then we would be missing the area where the seam joins into the armpit. Continued to another seam down the side of the shirt that is less clear to see the thread indentation. So maybe you have a higher resolution photo than my screenshot from today's phone, from today's show. Please let me know if you need more clarity. And here is the photo that she, which was, I thought it was very helpful of how she was describing that. She sort of flattened it. And is basically saying that it represents the front and the back of his shirt. It's interesting. Certainly is interesting. What she is describing. And she gave us this, the inside of the shirt, the outside of the shirt and the fold. Of course, I don't have seamstress eyes. I just told you guys that we got so many emails from people saying it's a shirt, shirt, shirt, and they are within the industry. So I'm inclined to believe when we get that many emails asserting something that it could be true. It could also not be true. But, you know, the more you know, this has been an open investigation into things because we can't get answers from the people who would know. Anyway, we'll take a brief break and I'll come back and read your comments. All right, you guys, have you ever felt like you are searching for real spiritual truth, but you're not sure who to trust anymore? I've been there. That's why I want to share something that I find incredibly valuable. It's a traditional Catholic book company called Loretto Publications, and their whole mission is simple, spreading the truth of the Catholic faith. 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You are keeping his legacy alive. Go Max, Mama. Well, I can tell you that because the press hates me so much and the government hates me so much. And really, the only place that I get support is from you, guys. Truly, that's the only place that I can get support. And that is the thing that keeps me going. So a standing ovation to you guys as well. Joseph writes, I would love a Candace Times, Dr. Taylor Marshall conversation. He was attacked for opinion on the SSPX that family is treated more harshly than non-Catholics. I see a parallel of Candace proximity to the conservatism. More harsh treatment would be expected for not accepting the conservatism du jour. I actually didn't see what his opinion was on the SSPX. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't SPX. So I'll have to look into that. Many moons ago, I was going to do something with Dr. Taylor Marshall. And then he sort of had to cancel. It was like during Trump election season, he was kind of doing stuff with Trump. And yeah, that's that. But then we never really rescheduled that or tried to make it happen again. He's a good friend with my husband, George. And we have hosted him here in Nashville before. Nemus Autis writes, Candace, thank you for being my voice that America needs voices. America does need voices. I agree with that. And I think it's building. I could feel good, feel happy, guys. It's breaking now into the mainstream. People are beginning to discuss this, all the aspects of the case. I actually think because of that, the preliminary hearing was a good thing. It was a good thing. That's what I mean when I say everything always backfires. What an atrocious idea if you're the PR team to have Erica invite influencers into the courtroom. What does that look like just on its face? Does somebody actually have to sit you down and say, no, actually, that's a bad idea? Because we're saying that the truth is on our side. The truth doesn't require influencers. It just does not require influencers to tell the truth. If the evidence is overwhelming, we're all going to be overwhelmed by it. You don't need influencers telling us it's overwhelming. And so that immediately registers the public as fraudulent. Unforced error after unforced error. It's not something that would be on anybody's mind if you're going to face the person who you allege you are fully confident murdered your husband. The last thing you would think is, well, let me call up Graham Allen and Benny Johnson and see if they're free to come. What? How do you think people in the public are going to take that? They're going to think that you need influencers because you're not telling the truth, because you aren't confident, because you don't think the facts are enough. That's common sense. That's not Candace making that happen. It's common sense. Please have a little bit more faith in the public than to think that they're going to be swayed by these influencer campaigns. They're so obvious. Like I said yesterday, when we were tracking, all of a sudden, they're all bringing up Sandy Hook. They're all talking about Sandy Hook. That's an obvious influencer campaign, which makes us believe that your next plan is going to be a lawsuit to try to bankrupt anybody who is meaningfully looking into this case. And the example, of course, will be me. Because that's what they're all mentioning me. Like, they're going to publicly hang me for how everyone in the world feels about this case, because clearly the facts aren't convincing enough. Again, that will be another unforced error. But we've just come to expect them from a Turning Point USA team who has reversed course in everything that Charlie Kirk believed. Zamit writes, you know, Zamit, by the way, you are always here. Thank you so much. We do have like repeat people who give every day. And I'm just really grateful for that. This person writes, to Charlie to have met you. I'm grateful that I met Charlie. We had such a great time. Like I told you, I am able to. To like laugh again and appreciate. And I'm just in a different space with it now. Like it took me going to Spain and shutting off. And I don't know, something just transformed. And I'm going, okay, like I can look at the messages and feel happiness, as opposed to like the deep, deep, deep sadness and searching. Like I'm remembering so many little things and just Charlie's character and the stuff that he. Like the real Charlie, you know, not the Turning Point USA, but the real Charlie. And I'm just so grateful for that. And I'm so grateful for that. Was infiltrated and kind of turned into a workhorse. He was great, man. I wish all of you guys did know the real Charlie. Kai writes, stay strong. We love you and we have your back. Thank you, Kai. Brooke writes, you carry truth like it costs you nothing when we all know it costs you everything. That's what real courage looks like. You've given so many of us the nerve to think clearly again in a world built to punish that. Go Max, baby. Christ is king. Thank you, Brooke. That is really, really sweet. And it has cost a lot over this last couple of years. It definitely has literally cost a lot over the last couple of years. But we've gained a lot and we've gained more. I mean, we've gained friendships. And I was thinking the other day, like Tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college. That's why she shops at BJ's Wholesale Club, saving up to 25 percent off grocery store prices, beef jerky, microwave meals, laundry pods. Even they can't screw up. Home of the save. Join for just twenty dollars at BJ's dot com slash mesquite and save ten cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's home of the save. That sadness that I felt thinking that Charlie's last days were spent sort of waking up and realizing that everything in his life was a fiction, a play, a movie. Now I feel a swell of relief. Charlie, he never got to meet these friends, but Charlie had a lot of friends, man. He's still a trending topic and people are dedicating their lives to this. And what would Charlie say? He can see it. I have to think that Charlie can see it. And he's seeing the Baron Coleman's. And last night I was jumping in the chat of Lionel Nation and seeing how much people care about him. Like he did have friends and he has friends. And I don't know, I just I just wanted to say that, like that makes me feel better just to see, like, you know, if Charlie was not a real person, that was what he earned. That's what he was building towards. That's the account that he was building was that when he died, some people were spiritually impacted by it, that they've been staying on this journey to learn the truth about what happened. His death meant something. It means something. And that is only because he was such a good person. And he he lived honorably. So please do not accept the filth that Andrew Colbert is selling, that Charlie was some liar and secretly he hated everybody and was deceitful and working behind the scenes. That's not who he was. Natty Nicole writes, Candace, I saw a 15 minute compilation video of you and Charlie laughing together on YouTube and it painted such a beautiful picture for those who weren't around back then. How dare they attempt to erase that? I pray for you always. Where is that? Where is where is this? You got to try to find that sky. I have no idea where that is. Or Ashley, if you could look that up. I did not that that will I'm ready to see it. I was not in a place emotionally where I could watch the clips of me and Charlie. And I told you guys that instant like we laughed. Like no other like that. Just we had names for everybody names for ourselves. He made fun of himself. He was so self deprecating. Like I could send him people making fun of him and be like, Oh, this is so accurate. This is you. And he could send me things of people making fun of me. It's that which is the best quality when you can laugh at yourself and not take yourself too seriously. And yeah, I think I could be prepared to watch that. It was there were we went everywhere together. We really did. And it. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. There's nothing really else to say about that. But I look forward to watching that. Oh, you found it. Let's let's pull that up. I want to see what it's called. never be an option and also surround yourself with people like candace that whatever you're doing that can relate no i just want to see the first minute you say something that um they're going to tell you you know the truth and they're gonna be honest um but they'll also have your back and i understand this might sound um cliche but it's so hard to find that right it's so hard to find that kind of loyalty that um you know the kind of the old expression is you know when you're in a foxhole you want you want someone who is not going to tell you that there's no bullets being fired you want just to say where the bullets are coming from right yeah that's exactly right yeah you don't want someone in the foxhole with you being like well i want to get a hot dog like maybe a burger a smoothie you want to say no no there's a machine gun nest over there there's mortar shells coming from there right here's what we're going to do here's a plan of action to get out of this exactly right and and um that's the type of friend that you want and you definitely don't want one that's going to run for the hills behind you yeah and you're alone those we've had you don't understand like so i want to jump into some of these questions sure we could go on forever this could be a five-hour podcast we're gonna yeah we're gonna end up i'll watch that when we get off air i i actually i'm gonna watch the full 15 minutes of that that's fantastic whoever did that um at deseret it looks like thank you so much for putting that together i really um that's really meaningful uh i didn't have the heart to do it myself but uh anyway you guys we are we have merch available on our website as well as on our website at deseret.com as i always tell you it's the easiest way to support us the independent work that we do is to just buy a hat buy a sandus cup stop anti anti-candacism send it to somebody who needs to hear that who has been an anti-candacist we can't accept anti-candacism it's just it's it's eating away at our society it's a hate that mutates as we've seen it's crazy i love by the way this new account that's just calling out laura loomer is fantastic uh grab a t-shirt that's such a great color for a sandus cup by the way that's the best one i think that's that's my favorite color of the sandus edition um and by the way for people that own them all who have been with us on this journey from the beginning since we started like the kamala chronicles thank you guys so much um you know this podcast means a lot to me it's like my personal therapy it's a lot allows me to vent about all of the attacks that come after me that are you know these people that come after me and it seems unfair but i i also know that god doesn't give you anything more than you can handle you know god gives you exactly what you can handle and we are handling this and we are handling this and And yeah, it's okay. 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