Andre 3000, LeBron James, Sexyy Red, Jerry Lorenzo, Jiaoying Summers, and Nigel Sylvester

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On this episode, myself and Mav sit down with our guy, LeBron James. - The worst thing that's gonna happen is you allow something that you have no control over, affect your inner peace. - The iconic Andre 3000. - I always say, never hate on nobody 'cause you don't know where they gonna end up. - Jerry Lorenzo. - When it appears as if I'm in my bag, I know that it's God. - Sexy red. - I know what I'm capable of, so it's just gonna take them to notice. - Zhao Ying Summers. - I can say whatever, they can't cancel me, they can't pronounce my name. - And Nigel Supester. - I'm coming around talking about I want to be a professional bike rider. Like, you're not way boy shit. - Listen now. - Like, like a native day addressing you. - They call me sexy. You gonna hear all of them say sexy. - Sexy. - Okay, okay. - All right, so that's cool, we say sex. - Yeah, that's cool, sex. - Okay, what if I say red? - Yeah, 'cause you said red. - Yeah, I just thought. - When she woke up, you said red, that's what I'm saying. - I said, what's up red? - I'm gonna be like mad, but like, I go about sex. - Okay, I say sex. - Okay. (laughing) - Think of your name. - Oh, this dude, we was trying to figure out a name for me. It was red, but we like, we all put something in front of the inn and he's like. - Oh, when you was becoming a rapper. - Yeah, to upload my first YouTube rap video. He was like, what name are you gonna play? I'm like, I don't know, and we was thinking the stuff. And he said, sexy red, I'm like, I like that. - Sexy red. - How long ago was that? - That was like six, six years ago. - Did you have a rap name before that? - Mm-hmm. - I had a red little name, it was trio red. That was my street name. - Trio red. - Trio red. - I mean, it's from the streets in you that call you trio. - Yeah, like your Facebook name is shit. - Yeah. (laughing) - Trio red. - Trio. - Yeah, that's calling my Facebook name. - What was your first rap name? - Black wolf. - For real? - Black wolf. - And big one was black dog. - How old were you? - Black dog, black wolf. 16. - And you guys had a name before outcast? - Yeah, we was two shades deep. - Two shades deep. - Like we were big, you know, a trial call quest fan. Like, so we was kind of like, the three word names were in. (laughing) - That's how y'all was in sync. - Yeah, yeah, that was, you know, the way. - How did y'all change it? The name of the group, and y'all, like you know. - 'Cause then somebody in our high school, man, they stole our names. They's a singing group, they gonna call them, like they shelf like, four shades deep. Like, man, you know what I mean? - That's why they called it their self four shades deep. And I was like, they don't stole our name. And we was kind of like, outcasts in the high school. We dressed different. - Period. - And so, yeah, we were like, we just gonna be outcasts then. - So I do got asked, we were asking what to call sexy. We figured out it's sexy. You yourself, it's three stacks. - It depends on what you're talking to. - Okay, what would you prefer to call me? - They call me, like, stacks. Three, three thousand. Dre, be it call me Dre. - Still. - Yeah, partners in a hood, they call me three, or stacks. - Which one you prefer, you answer, you know, it don't now. - Yeah, it's wrong. (laughing) - You know some side nicknames. You got some heart? - Yeah, yeah, stacks, stacks. - What's your nicknames? - Shhh, him. - Yeah. (laughing) - One and only, not two. - Yeah. (laughing) - Start like this. - No. - I'm gonna start. - What's her name, him? (laughing) - I'm the only one. - What's your nickname, that nigga? (laughing) - Hey, I'm taking a hat. - Hey. - That was for sure. And now, we got three stacks on the flute. - Yeah, yeah, we got, yeah. That's for sure. - I went to the show in New York. - She was incredible, too, by the way. - Yeah, wow. - That's crazy 'cause I ain't even show this. - Did he rap? - Yeah, yeah, it was a vibe. - Well, I also want to get some backstory. You were in New York for like two days, if I remember correctly, and on the group text, you're like, I have to go to this show. - No, I have to go, 'cause it was a small venue. So, you know, that's actually gonna feel a little quick. - The blue note. - The blue note, yeah. - Those were some of my first shows. We like stepped in the belly of the beast. Like, our very first show was like, we ain't kind of like a well-known jazz club. You know, and it was like, whoa. We ain't here. - Very famous show. - Yeah, very famous. - Like a lot of tables, plus coats to each other. Like, ain't much wiggle room in there. You want me to just sit down, since your ass down. Ain't no getting up. - I ain't even talking about your title spot. - What did you expect? Did you have an expectation? - Well, I mean, I listened to the album a few times. - Okay. - You know, so I just went in and just like, on some vibe shit, I want to just feel the vibration. And he had funny ass nigga too. I ain't know how funny he is. So, like, during his sets, after he get done with his set and shit, he's just popping off talking shit. Like, ain't my fuckers, I ain't about to be here. Rapping. So, if that's what y'all looking for, y'all going to get a body. Or, you know what I'm saying? I want y'all to make noise in here. I need y'all to ride with me. Like, he'd be on some funny ass. Shit, I ain't, I ain't know that. - Like, I just, I'd be trying to defuse it. - Yeah. - Like, I don't want people to think, you know. I love jazz music, you know, but I don't want people to be thinking that I'm trying to be a jazz musician. - Yeah. - Or anything like that. So, I don't take myself that serious as jazz. Musicians now, like, jazz is a study music. It's kind of like, just trying to humanize it, you know. So, even with some of the titles on the album, I was like, really trying to poke fun of it. It just, you know, have fun. - But jazz is also very inviting style of music. - Oh, for sure. - Like, if you like it, want to ride. - But it's so elitist, though, too. - It is elitist. - You know, in ways, because, you know, a lot of jazz cats, they went to school, man, like, they studied, man. So, you know, I don't want people to think that I'm trying to be a jazz musician. You know, I kind of, look at myself, it's just like a, a sonic displaced. Like, I don't know what notes I'm playing to be completely honest. So, I ain't trying to pretend like, you know, I know what I'm doing in a way. I actually don't know what I'm doing, and that's part of the art. - Cut, oh yeah. - It's something you want to do, so it don't matter. - Yeah. And I get real enjoyment out of it, and people do it as well. - Right. - It's really the freeest shit. - Yeah. - Because I ain't no freestyle rapper. Like, I don't sit around. I never have been like, if you put a beat on, I'm sitting around making up raps. Like, I'm a writer. So, this is the most free I've ever been like. So, I'm like, yeah, I'm loving it, you know. - Definitely it. - I'm just gonna follow, it's safe to say if, if Bronman to your show in New York, and then he goes to a show in Chicago a week later, he's gonna hear something different. - He definitely will hear something. So, even if you go, we were doing two nights. - Two nights in New York. - Two and a half nights. - At the show, Bron came to, and it was like, we'll do a 75 minute set, take an hour break, and then they'll bring in a new crowd, and we're doing a whole 'nother set. Those two shows in the night gonna be different. So, it's like, we really don't know where we gonna go. And it's kinda like, you have to fill it out. And it's really a exploratory thing, man. We just explore, man. - But you said, sexy, you don't, you're a writer too. Like, you write, you don't, you don't go into studio and just listen to a beat and start saying shit. - I'd have did that, and then it was like, the ones that everybody liked. Like, it was crazy. 'Cause I'm like, the freestyles be the ones that go viral on stuff. - But you're rather right. - I rather right though. Like, I want to come in and just go record. I don't want to be in there trying to think. - When you show up to the studio, you got your shit wrote out. - Sometimes, oh, I come and sit in there and I write it, and then I go in the book. 'Cause my team be like, go in there and just record it. I be like, no, I'm finna write it down, then I'm recording. Yeah, it is hard for us. - And then go that intention. - And for you, Jerry, as a designer, what he said I was thinking about you, were you at all intimidated like, oh, people study and lived their whole life doing this? And I'm just gonna fucking take it all and do it. - Yeah, I think a thousand percent you, you feel as if you're not qualified, right? And as you continue to follow what starts off is like having confidence. [BLANK_AUDIO] and what's missing in the market, and it slowly turns into a conviction. Um, your fears of what other people, how they see what you're putting in the world, kind of go to the side, and you're more driven by this thing that you want, I guess, we're inspired to do that, and to now something you believe in, and that doesn't require a title. Does it frustrate you when people say that to you? Like, "Oh, you're a designer. You're a fashion designer." Yeah, you're a merchant, you're a whatever, they say you are. I hate when anyone puts a label on me, and it becomes their prison of how they see me. You know, it's like the whole shut up and dribble, right? It's like, "Ah, this is just a part of me." This is just another element to all that, you know, God has designed me to do, so. Yeah, and do you feel the same way about, like, you know, we talk about, like, street wear. Like, it's fear God has street wear brand. Is it just a fashion brand? How would you characterize what your brand is? I think it's luxury, even if it is essentials, I think it's luxury. You know, I think what I'm trying to do is to free people up to be the best version of themselves, and when you're the best version of who you are, that's the ultimate feeling of luxury, whether it's a hoodie or a leather shit, head to toe, you know what I mean? When you come up, you come up emulating the one before you, right? So I'm sure it translates for you as well, like, embassable, right, emulating, and for you, you know, getting on to the game, for you as a designer. And then at some point, it clicks over where it's like, "It's more you than the person you ever. " Do you remember what that point was or how that happens, how you get to that point where. Well, I think, you know, looking up to people when you're growing up and trying to figure out what you want to do, it gives you kind of like, you know, that, you know, you're watching these people on television, or you're reading them in newspapers or magazines, or at the local library, whatever the case may be, you need a sense of hope, you know, you grow up in the inner city, we don't have much, it's not much inspiration. Yeah. One thing we do notice, we don't want to end up, maybe like our homeboy or our homegirl or something that happened last week or whatever the case may be, when we just seen him last week, now we're not seeing him again. So, you know, having that aspiration that's outside the city, I'm inspired to want to be like Michael Jordan, he's in Chicago, you know, I'm in Akron, Ohio, whatever the case may be, so, you know, having that aspiration to want to be something greater than what's going on in my community, that's when it starts to flow, you know, you start to be like, okay, he black, I'm black, he from Wilmington, North Carolina, seems like a very rural place that ain't got much going on there, I'm from Akron, Ohio, ain't much going on here. So, there's possibility of getting out of this shit. Oh, that's how it is. Like, if they can do it, I know I can. Yeah, there's hope. Who does that for you, sexy? Yeah. Oh, it was a lot of people, 'cause I seen like a lot of girls that was coming up, getting the rap game and stuff, and then I'm like, oh, so they like this, but I know that, like, what I got to say then, I'm like, why they ain't fucking with me then? Like, I ain't no way to take for them to, like, know this me. But once they didn't know this me, it was up, I knew it, I knew it. What you think did it, that people started to know is that a certain song is a certain demand, what were you-- No, I feel like it was just my time. I just shut down. 'Cause like, my baby daddy had got locked up, and then I was like, more focused. I was like, now I'm like, now I could focus. And who helped you develop your, as Drake said, like, develop his pen writing, like, sound? Usually it's a producer, it could be a producer, I think probably you, probably the dungeon. You also had a partner. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause a little bit, like, who helped you develop that sound? Nobody, me. You did it all yourself. Who else is gonna do it, man? Well, who else is listening to it all, like, 'cause I heard you one time say, I'm the female Gucci man. Yeah, I was like, everybody, man, like, I'm weird. Like, you probably, you probably wouldn't even think I'd sit in and just say, "Tonnes, my name's Drake." And you're like, "Hey, yeah." (laughing) Like, I be on weird shit, I be on weird shit, man. So, like, you never know when I'm finna turn on. Yeah, yeah. Like, I be in the crowd, my will be smoking, and I just go somewhere else. I will say to any artist, though, too, like, don't just listen to the genre that you am. No, I don't. Because, like, what expounds, or makes a genre better, is things coming outside of it, getting into it. You know, and you interject that into, like, if you listen to classical music, and you say, "Oh, man, I love that classical music," but people ain't really listening to that. But if I put that on with some drums, it takes it a certain kind of way, you know what I mean? So, I think, when you say, "I listen to everything," like, that's one thing about outcasts. Like, we was just, me and Big, listen to everything. Like, it was, and to that point, at a certain point, we felt like we can do everything, because we listened to everything, so. That's awesome. Yeah, I think music is just. You don't have to do one thing, you know, if you don't want to. Open the door and pull up the stuff for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah, like, you can go be in the movie, you can start a fashion line, you can be a chef, for real. Like, you can do whatever you want, so once you, like, end the game. What do you want to do with it? I'm what I sound like, I want to do everything, right? Like, when I was coming up, I used to make my own clothes. I got a lip gloss brand. I used to sell lip gloss. Like, I did her. I used to do her. You still, you still, you still, you still. Yeah, I used to, like, I used to be hustling this guy. Y'all want to tell y'all how I knew I was hustling. 'Cause I said back, I said, "Dad, I been hustling in my blood." 'Cause when I was a, like, a little kid, I used to go to school. I used to be selling Kool-Aid. I had the little package, like, the Kool-Aid. Yeah, yeah. I tried to kiss, so I was like, "I want a swag, give me my money here, I ain't got enough. I used to take the chips and the snacks from home, honey, buns, oatmeal, five, come to school, selling it to the kids." I'm like, "Mama, they be saying they hungry, so she let me fill my book bags up on me." Yeah, the community later. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure, we all had them. And then when I was in middle school, I used to do my own hair. And then I seen the girls need that they had to. So, they started coming to me like, "You do my hair?" And I'm like, "Sure." I'm in middle school. I'm just doing some shit. But it started like, and that's how I got me popping. And I was like, "I was knowing this, the hood, how this hurts, that was." Yeah, I used to cut hair too. Did you really? Yeah, I used to cut all the kids in the hood, they mom used to come bring. Period, that's how it was. Yeah, before, 'cause when you're an artist, really-- About the same. When you're an artist, like, coming in, it's like really big. 'Cause it's really sculpting, that's really what I mean. You're just sculpting, you know what I mean? And fade, it's just kind of like taking, removing material. Where'd you get the confidence? Not only, like, musically to do, like, you know, like, you would just talk about, like, out of the box, like, not just traditional. Or we've been used to, but also from a fashion style, like, I think I like, "Hey, y'all, I think I like the outfit." Like, where'd that confidence come from early in your career? Over time, my influences from, once I started producing on the second album, you know, I'm buying records, and I'm looking at the backers of albums, looking at all the groups that I'm into, looking at Parliament, Funkadelic, looking at Sly Stone, looking at those players who play with James Brown, Barbara Blah, and I started to notice the people that I were attracted to. And I was like, "That's who I want to be, like." You know, so a lot of my heroes from Prince to Sly, that's all in me, like, punk artists. I always went to, like, who looked like they having the most fun, telling them what's true. So, that's kind of, like, that was a big influence. And honestly, man, my crew, man, like, all the people, me and Big, and Sealo were the youngest niggas in the dungeon at the time. All my homies from Rico, to Gil, Kujo, Teemo, they were a little older than us, so they've been rapping longer than us. So, we kind of, like, sitting and watching, like, my first studio session was hanging out with Rico, then I'm going and. and Gip used to be in a group called "East Point Chang Gang." And so, my first studio visit was, hanging with Rik, they going to the studio to produce Gipnam. So, it's kind of, like, my whole crew, like, when you build a community of people, which is so important, we have crews. And the dungeon, it became, like, an island, and we developed our own lingo, our own slang, our own look, and you build confidence in your crew, where you don't give a fuck with nobody outside that's safe. And it's kind of, like, once you get that kind of power, you take it out into the world, like, same way, like, Japan wasn't fucking with nobody for a long time. And they cultivated themselves, and they became Japan, and then they opened up the doors, but they were confident in who they were, like, they were confident in what they offered to the world. So, I have to say, man, my crew. My crew built me, you know what I mean? Like, you know, Rest in Peace Rico, but Rico, there were times when, like, I would say "Raps" to Rico, and he would just get up and walk, he might be smoking the blood, he might get up and walk away, and it was so disrespectful to me. A kid. I was like, "Just another fucker, man." But to him, he was like, "No, that ain't good enough." And so, your crew make you harder, make you better. That's true, absolutely. And if you were. In a dungeon, it was a real dungeon where it was, like, dirt on the walls, like. Yeah, what was the. Yeah, tell us what the. 'Cause we all know Dungeon Family, but what was the physical place, like, 'cause it was a studio, almost, right? It was a makeshift studio. We had, like, house speakers and a few drum machines, and, like, car seats that were tow out of cars. On dirt floors, it was, like, a crawl space, and Rico's mom and house, and Rico was kind and visionary enough to let us all young niggas stay in her house. In the basement. That's crazy. If that. If she wouldn't have opened her doors and, like, it wouldn't be no dungeon shot out of his way. Yeah, it was. But it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, "Sometimes you gotta have somebody with a cool last mom." Oh, God, definitely. It's like, she was like, "You're free to the group, but you got a house, they got a house." Yeah, yeah, she left. I mean, we were never this special. But I was sure, from her point of view, I was safe. And she was like, "Yeah, damn, my house, and I know they ain't out there doing whatever it is." Yeah, I mean, I don't know if she would like a green, but we would be so alternative. Yeah, we would be so alternative. You know, downstairs, and so she let it happen. And so it was really a house with a family, I mean, like Rico's two sisters were going to high school every day. We beaten all night, beats like loud, like smoke all, and they got to wake up in the morning and go to school. Like, it was a house, you know. She must have believed in y'all. Yeah, take a, that's what you believe in. She'd never mentioned take a billion. That's what's up. Like Rico was a hustler, man. Like Rico had the vision. Like Rico made us believe, you know? Like so. RP Rico. RP, yeah, sure. You asked me where it come from. I'm only like a product of the genre, you know? Like, they gave me-- because I'm an only child. Like, I wasn't really confident in school. Like, it took me a minute to learn how to perform even. Like, I was a nervous kind of like-- like kid, so my dungeon niggas kind of like gave me, like a platform to kind of niggas go free. Go do yourself, you know? You had the same thing, obviously. Yeah, for sure. I'm a Jew. Yeah, yeah. I had the crew. Same type of thing. My mom was that mom though. Because all the homies always used to come over up my house. Because my mom was like, so, you know, shit. My mom was only 16 years older than me, so. I mean, shit. I'm a high school freshman. My mom's 30, so she ain't about to be in the house all day. She-- she doing her thing. I'm a-- I'm only child, too. So, like, I get it, but the-- all the homies always want to come over. No, no, that sounds like chill, too. Yeah, I know you're not going to let you have come. You the only child. Yeah, my mom was cool as hell. My mom was strict as a mother fucker. Yeah, my mom, man, she wasn't having it, man. Like, my mom was-- she did not play it. And I'm on the child, man. It was like-- and I think that's why I'm wild now, because she was so-- Your mom was strict, man. Growing up, yeah. She was so strict, man, like-- and you got it, like, I dropped out of school and told my mom-- Yeah, what grade? 10th grade. Like, 11th grade. Well, well, we was, like, smoking and leaving school. They kicked me out of school and sent me to alternative school. And that's when me and Celo met back up at the alternative school. And at that point, I'm rapping. I'm going to the dungeon every day. I'm like, man, I'm not doing the school shit, so I just kind of dropped out. Got it. And I told my mom, well, I'm about to do this reciting words over beats, and she's like, what? Reciting words over beats. Not about to be a rapper, sleep like that. I'm about to be a rapper. Boy, I feel good to answer the mind of you. I'm about to do this reciting words mom over these musical instruments. And so she didn't take that conley, man, like-- You thought you had that figured out before you-- Yeah, the word play, before you went to mom? I don't even think I said it like that. But I was just trying to think-- I'm trying to think how she's thinking. So you're going to say some words. You're going to drop out of school and say some words over beats. That's your plan. And so I can understand, from a mom standpoint, she's like, hell no. And so she went with it. Like, they wouldn't even let us sign our record deal. We could have signed early on, but my mom wouldn't let me do it. 'Cause you want me to sign? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had to wait. You need a guardian? Yeah, you want me to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a-- I don't know about you guys. It's like a full circle moment for me. I'm from New York, hearing you, hearing these stories with Dungeon Family, hearing you at 16. And then remembering the South got something to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What year was the '94 or '95? '95, I don't know. I got boo. Yeah, can you talk a little bit about that? Do you remember that moment? I totally remember. It was not planned. It looked brave, but I was nervous as a mother fucker. I was just angry, man, because we in New York, and we grew up on all New York music, man. And when they announced who-- I think the war was best new artist or something like that. And I think Salt and Peppa and somebody else opened the envelope. So best new artist is-- Ow. Like they ran it like that. So we were-- like, Dungeon whole crew there, man. Like, and I was just angry, man, and I just felt like-- I don't know, it just came out. And I just said that shit, like-- What'd you say? I said, and the South got something to say. You should watch this video, y'all. Yeah, I only remember the whole thing, but I just knew Niggas would hate on the South at that point. You know what I mean? It was a while, but I just remember just being really angry and driven. Because like, we've been creating this music, man. We've been in the Dungeon work, like-- and we just felt like, y'all don't get it. Right. You know, and sometimes you have to show people, man. And it is well, because I'll tell you full circle being in New York. But it gave you a drive, though. And I actually appreciate it now, because it made us full heart. For sure. But I'll tell you full circle being in New York. And you probably-- you guys probably heard this. It's like, there was a time when New York wouldn't play any Southern music-- Any West Coast music on the radio, right? On the radio, right? How many seven power all that? And then that shifted. And New York radio started getting flagged. That they were only playing Atlanta, South, music, all that. And that New York artist was starting to sound like a Atlanta artist. Yeah, sure. Like, what did that feel like in coming full circle where like the music kind of shifted towards, like, Georgia? I always say, never hate on nobody. Because you don't know what they're going to end up, man. But true. And it's just-- what's always on top, going to be on bottom at some point. So it's just a shift. Just wait for your turn, man. It's going to happen. She said it. She said timing. Yeah, it's going to be-- It's going to happen. I said that with you like that, too. Who did you like that? You said they-- I heard you say they-- Everybody's like, they still don't believe in me. So I just be like, I'm going to just show you. And like, she said, they don't be understanding. Like, we really can't hear from nothing. And then we be making a big achievement. It's like, that's something for us. And then they just be like, you ain't doing it. But for us, it's like-- And nobody's doing this, so it's-- You use it for fuel, hate or fuel, man. It's the best shit. It's free energy. I like when they talk about it. That's shit free energy, because that made me go. That made me go in. I love when somebody doubts you. Because I'm now finna show you something. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be back. Use it. Jerry, you being a black man and fashion, you must get that shit all the time, like gatekeepers. Oh, yeah. I mean, but I was going to say like, when we did that show at the Hollywood Bowl, the theme was, the South got something to say. And I was like, I got something to say. Yeah, man. And I think that moment and the realness at that moment, you know what I mean is what drove me to say, no, we're not showing a Paris. We got something to say right here in LA. And it's going to be just as eloquent, just as sophisticated, just as beautifully, just as beautiful, but still nigga, like every element, you know? And it's always a fight. Does anybody try and talk you out of that? Like, yo, you gotta show him Paris. You should be there. Nah, nah. No one tried to talk me out of it. I was too convicted going in. I tried to talk myself out of it a week before. Like, please, rain. Like, what the fuck am I doing? Because you got nervous? Oh, man, I was scared of death. I was like, the week before, I was like, what the hell did I get myself into? You know, but the collection showed up. We started styling. I was like, you know, we already did the work. Once I started looking at the pieces, I was like, the work is done, we just got to show up. But, um, with that moment, man, it was like, I remember that moment, not for me. I graduated high school and I'd be five like that. And, and I went to fam, and I just remember, you know, even some of the lines back then, like, you know, all you think we always, hip-hop is booty-shake, you know what I mean? Of course. And then, to like, be here today, and it's like, we are that, and we are that. And it doesn't mean that we want it as well, that's it. Yeah, that's it. One is better than the other. And it's like, the fight to be able to just be what you want to be. Exactly. You know, and I feel like that was the question that you were asking LeBron. It's like, okay, you were looking up to Mike, but you had, at what point did you realize, you can become something greater? Right. Probably was about 17. Period. 17. But you, I think I was a junior high school. That's when I think my summer of junior going into my senior year, I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. They had dubbed me the chosen one. And every tournament I was going to plan against the consensus, number one, players, or top 100 guys, I was just like, I was doing shit that sometimes was out of body for myself. I couldn't even believe some of the shit that I was doing. Yeah. And then I think at that moment, around 17, I knew I could be LeBron. But do you still-- Like, not Jordan, not Penny, not-- you know, I could still use them as inspiration and still get some creative from them by still watching and studying them, because they've done it longer. And I got to still respect in that. I'm still respecting that craft, because they are doing it, and they've done it, and they've won. And whatever the case may be, King Griffey, Jr.'s part of that, Deon Sanders. It's a part of that, you know what I'm saying? But I sort of feel like, oh shit, you can now-- you can be a part of that room at 17. And it's up to you to go get it. You still have out of bodies? Hell yeah. There's many hours of playing. Hell yeah. That's when that spirit working, man. Yeah, that's when that spirit worked. Yeah, it's kind of like when you transcend what you thought you could be. That's a great moment, man. I've seen it happen in my career. I've seen it happen in other rappers' careers, where I'm sure they were like, whoa, I didn't even think I would do that. Drey, when you make, like, going back through some of the outcash and then, you know what I'm saying? Have you ever wrote a verse like? I think this is pretty good, then put it onto the world, and the world would be like, "Oh, my, like, you didn't, "meaning you mis-measured it." You thought it was good, but then when you put it out for us, we was like, "Oh, this nigga just went." Like I said, he thought it was good, but it's great to be actually like that. - But it's like, it's normal to round, but to other people doesn't like that. - Or did you know, or this is one of them all? - Well, I didn't know, but even when you writing it, I get a sense of, man, I don't know what it's shit coming from. So it's like, it's happening at that time. Just like when you're doing a move and you like, "I don't know what, and it's happening." That's kind of like, when you, 'cause when you start flowing in and rapping, they know what I'm talking about. Like you get the rapping spirit where words start coming together like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh." You know, and it's kind of the thing that you're not, like I could have never thought of that on my human own. So at that point, when I say the spirit working on, whatever you believe in, you believe in God, you believe in Jesus, all that kind of stuff. But the spirit, there's something underneath like, these are earth suits. We just went in this shit to be able to talk and walk in. But the spirit in there, you know, that when we die, go somewhere else, the spirit, that get to work in, man. And that's what you're talking about. - No, give me, talk about things kind of shit. - When you channeling, like as a musician, man, musicians know it the same way, like it's really an alive spirit. And that's what you want to be. - I know from a listener's aspect, when I listen to music, I have a sense of, oh, that motherfucker was in a bag. When they was writing that, - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm saying that shit. I feel that shit, like you're saying how the words is just hitting on each other, like, yeah, that's that spirit. Like you like, oh, shit. - That's that spirit. - It's a little confidence in there too, that. - Of course, 'cause you put the work in, but-- - You put the work in, but it's definitely a feeling of, I'm not sure how I did that. It's the confidence in the work, but you clearly know that it's almost a humbling thing too, because you know, whoa, they're saying me. Some people can take it as, oh, I'm that nigger. But at the same time, you were like, I'm just a nigger. (laughing) - And it's happening, you know what I mean? - I was like, that was guy, 'cause I ain't no way. I was like, this guy, like, when there was something crazy, I was like, there was guy, yeah. - You know what I mean, that was guy. - It's something happening, man, and that's where, that's where you want to be. Like, that's the best place to be. You know, and I think all I can do is be obedient to the call. And the more I'm obedient to the call, I know he's gonna show up. And all that does is give me the confidence that I'm in purpose, that I'm in his intention for what he wants me to do. And like you said, Dre, it's like, it's more humbling than it is, like, look at me. It's like, God, I can't believe you could show up through me like that. - We were having a conversation back about, money always matters, but at a certain point, it can't be the most significant thing in terms of like how you make decisions. Like, what is your decision-making process in terms of like, in terms of like, when you're creating what's driving that? - Peace. Like, no amount of money in the bank account can like, make me sleep better night that fear of God's gonna be okay. - Do you? - As long as I know that I'm doing what I'm called to do, that's where I find my peace. And that's like the lane I have to like stay in. It's like being right with him, you know? And that's like, you know, last few years, you know, I kind of fell off that track a little bit and started to think it was me. You felt that? - You felt that? - Oh, yeah, for sure. You should know. - How did you know you had fallen off and what stopped you like, oh shit, let me get in. - It was something happened. - Self-medicating, you know, with stress, you know, started looking everywhere except to him for direction. And then the dangerous thing is when you do that, you take on the weight that you're not supposed to carry. It's his weight, not ours. You know, there's no way I could run a company. There's no way I can make decisions if me and him are right. And sexy you as an artist, how do you balance out? Like, we gotta get to the bag now. We gotta get it versus like, you have a vision for your career and what that thing looks like, right? 'Cause it's not all created equal. - I'm patient. I'd be like, I'm gonna just wave my time. And. - That's awesome. - Yeah, like, I just-- - Where's their patients come from? - 'Cause I be knowing like what it is. I'd be like, I know what I know what I'm capable of. So like, it's just gonna take them to notice. So I'd be like, I'm just keep doing me like, I'm patient. Everybody got to say I'm on time, I'm like, but like you said, you do feel when you fall enough and you just gotta get back in mode and then you keep going, you feel it, you feel like, okay, I'm back, like. - How you know if you fall on all of that, of that trap? - If I don't keep doing the same shit that I was doing, like, to keep me where I was and then shit, get dry, you can just tell like, you ain't have emotion or something like. And it'd be boring too. So it's like, you need to stay busy and do something. - Stay engaged. - Yeah, stay. - You're a king of staying. This nigga, for an engaged his whole fucking life. You never knew. - I don't wanna worry about you. - I gotta do it too, bro. - Have you-- - You gotta do it yourself. - Yeah, for dead too. - All the time, like, am I still alive, I'm a shot. - And sometimes you gotta let people go that it's negative or bring you down, 'cause nigga, and if you be real, like, you can be a positive person, but nigga, people, they bring your energy, like. - For sure, are you a young too, like, you know, we, the older states, you know, we're here. Like you, young, and you gonna, I mean, for you to know that right now, and that's one of the hardest things in the world. - How do you do with that as an athlete on a team, if we're on a team, and there is a guy that's bringing negative energy here, but we're on a team. He's showing that the practice every day, he on the bus with you, on the point, if you were in a group, you could be like, y'all out of this fucking group, but on a team, you might be stuck with that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, you know, you were a big change. - I'm just gonna ask you, huh? - I'm gonna change it, we all see it. You high-sem out, or something, what do you mean? - No, I don't, I don't know if I was high-sem out. I just try to keep my own, now you gotta, now you gotta start tapping back into your own piece. - Exactly. - 'Cause the worst thing that's gonna happen is you allow, and you allow something that you have no control over affect your inner piece. - Okay, but I'm gonna show this, and we have a guy in the locker room who's bringing negative energy. You're able to go, okay, he's not gonna fuck with my shit, but you see he's fucking with PR, and we need PR to win. - Well, now I gotta go talk to Pete. - Okay, got it. - Yeah, I gotta go. Now I gotta, my direction in my energy is towards Pete. - Yeah. - You know, I would start with that individual first. - To try and move. - But if I know I can't get through to him, you know, at a rate that I need him to get through to, you know, now I have to, I have to shift it. - You can't save him. - I can't save him, I have to shift, I have to shift it to somebody else, maybe he's not, maybe he's not spraying through everybody. You know what I'm saying? - Because that shit is contagious. - But at what point do you say, hey, I'm LeBron James, and our goal here is to win a championship. - Oh, yeah, forget, yeah. - Yeah, I mean. - And to make a change. - One thing that I need to, your friend of ours, Jimmy Ivean, of one of our favorite quotes is when the shit gets bigger than the cat, you get rid of the cat, you know, and-- - That's the truth. That's in everything in life. - When the shit gets bigger than the cat, the cat got to go because at the end of the day, nobody is bigger than the, what is our main goal? We all come here as a team. We say we're a team. We set the main goal. And every time quarterly, you know, we say, okay, this is what we want to accomplish. And then out of fucking left field, you come in here and you're saying, no, I ain't going to the back door. I'm going to the front, this is how I want to tackle. But literally, the enemy is right there at the front door. Don't go through the front. We can go through the back and infiltrate through this way and be more tactical about it. No, nigga, this is what I'm on. I'm on this. I'm going through the front. - Then I know, Jimmy. - My nigga, go ahead, go through the front. - You got to be a team player. - Go ahead, go through the front. We respect the do your thing. The rest of us will go and tackle it through the back. - But that's what you want to develop, that's the-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, you know, you want to, when you're a young nigga, man, when you're a young nigga from the hood, you always feel like you want to be a part of drama. So if a nigga come in with bad energy, nah, I want to have bad energy. - Let's do that. - Let's get out of here. - What's up? - Drama with drama. - Drama with drama, that's all you know. That's all you know. Drama means drama, man, when you get older and shit, you know what I'm saying? You start having kids and shit, you know? - Oh my God, what sex do you sell like you already there? - Yeah. - Well, like, I know I'd be tripped because, like, now, because this I know I'd be tripped because, like, I get mad and go off on somebody. And if they come back at me and hit me with something, like, on some nice shit, then I have, like, oh, I was tripped. I'm sorry, my bad, I ain't mean to-- I'm sorry, you nice. I don't even want to be like that, I ain't mean it. - Drey was talking about earlier, listening to all different types of genres of music. You obviously just performed with Zach Bryan, man, right? How was that? How did that feel to get brought in by that audience? Were you nervous? - What's also country music for those that don't know, like-- - I've been nervous. I've been nervous to meet people because, I don't know, like, I'm a shy person. And I ain't know how he was gonna be, but they, like, he want to bring you out, so-- - Was you nervous because of him or because of the crowd? Like, was you, like, damn, or this crowd gonna know who they are? - I'm gonna be crying about, like, what people think about me. But, I don't know, it just was some difference. I'm like, why he want to bring me out? Like, we told all these different people, but they, like, he liked you. - And did we hear that correct? Sexy Red is shy? Is that-- (laughing) - I am, I've been here nervous. - Really, before shows or before what? - Before shows, just period. Like, if I got to meet people, like, I don't mean, I don't be shy. - Where's that, so me as a regular civilian person, I look at you guys-- - Yeah, very regular, huh? - Regular. - Yeah, very regular guy, yeah. - Like, I look at you guys as, like, the guys at the pinnacle of, like, what you guys do. To hear that your nervous bugs me out. Like, you got nervous still to think. - He had a full shan, at home in my, yeah, Colors New York, he was like, 'cause sometimes before shows, we're in our huddle and I'm nervous. Yeah, I get nervous every time we buy the perform, even outcasters. But he was like, oh yeah, you're full of nerves. Your body's full of nerves. You're supposed to be nervous. If you're not nervous, it's almost like a checker to make sure you still lie. So, nerves is let you know, I'm a lie, you know? So, I treat it like that, like, yeah, it's just let you know, get your body ready for, we about to go into something. - Yeah, for me, the nerves, for me feel like I'm still, I'm still in it. Like, I'm still in it. The fact that I can still get nervous before a game or a match or whatever the case may be, no matter if it's a random Tuesday and Milwaukee, or if it's a. - In season 20, you still can have us for a regular season game? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Soft Tuesday. - Yeah, yeah, because, I mean, that's a lot of pressure. It's really gonna be in the stadium that night, man, 20,000 that maybe have never seen me play before. So, like, I'm thinking about that type of shit, like, how my performance is gonna be. I can't shit the bed tonight for this person. That's for the first time coming to see me play. Like, you know, that's nerves. And then, you know, maybe my baby girl tonight, maybe she stayed up late, you know? Maybe Zuri stayed up late watching her dad play tonight, you know? 'Cause I didn't come home before. And she's like, I didn't come home before, and Zuri was like, Dad, you know, I can help you, all right? (laughing) Dad, I just need a uniform bed, and I can help you off, for sure. But, like, you know, like, I think, you know, back to what stacks we're saying, just like, it's a sense of just, like, feeling alive and just being present-steel. You know, you just feel present, like, even though, shit, you can feel it in your stomach, though, no more shit. - But you still also get, think about it, not necessarily get nervous, but, like, like, the feeling of, like, 'cause one thing about sports, when we were talking about sports earlier, like, I'm gonna dominate my matchup. The guy does matchup with me, I'm fucking here to dominate you. You know what I, that's not necessarily nervous, a little anxious to do that. - Yeah, yeah, that comes after the nerves, kind of. - Yeah, yeah. - Let's go away. - Have you break your sweat? - Somebody's trying the same way for y'all, like, when that month, like, being dropped, and y'all finally get, and y'all see the crowd, and you're like, "What about the dominate? It's more for good." - Yeah, you gotta get in my way. - You said that, and stacks grab the foot. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I was just gonna say that, 'cause we're in my friend, we compared, rapping to basketball, like, we be like, like, this person was new in the game, and it was the hottest, and it was that, like, we always come back to basketball. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. - And they, like, it's okay, you guys, as you guys, I'd be sipping water, like, somebody passed me, just, they, like, calm down, calm down, and I'd just be sending our choir, like, then, as soon as they, I'd come up, they're like, "Yeah." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm just gonna say, y'all ain't gonna know I'm nervous, baby. - And you talk about Hollywood Hall, being nervous, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Like, same thing, like, you're nervous till lights and music plays, and then you're in it. - Yeah, but, I mean, I think for us, or fashion, like, we in it, when the collection shows up, when we style it out, getting ready for it, it's like, all right, it's on, it's game time. I mean, I got two questions for you, man. It's two verses, stick out in my head. - It's two. We're in the shop. Maybe let's get to it. - The shop. - One verse you did, what, I think that was, I think it was T.I. song. - Sorry. - My favorite. - Yeah. - Oh my god, we're talking about a pocket. - Before you go, these two gotta go. - Yes. - Okay, okay, okay. - Okay, thanks a good one, let's buy that. - LeBronz! (laughs) - Bring it. - Keep it on, big sexy, need your tank. - Thank you. - I'm gonna go smoke, yeah. - Keep going, yeah, keep going your tank. - I'm sexy. - Hello. - Hello. - Hi. - Oh man. - Oh man. - What are you doing, can you see you? - Hello. - Hi. - Hi you. - Hi you. - Hi you. - Hi you. - Hi Andrew, thank you for having me. - Of course, of course. - Hi you. - You're so fair, okay. - You're not having me. - Sir, how you feeling? - That's kind of amazing. - I'm just a investor. - Okay, that's good. - Well, I'm gonna do, surprise you. - Good to see you. - I'm gonna do a max with you there. - You wanna know that one? - But I wasn't about to tear. - You should have put it really right to the show. - I'm gonna park it right here. - You should have pulled it right to the movie. - Next time, next time. - So, go ahead, see you there too. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we was on the conversation. We was on the conversation about when you and his own, You know you was in a zone. - Okay. - Sorry. And then what's the track that he did with Devon to do, when he's explaining to the college kids? - That's the, that made me the best verse ever. - What's the, what's the, what a job? - What a job. - What a job. - What a job. - There was a sleeping devil. That was a slept-on song. - Oh my God. - Man, I forgot all about that one. But what's crazy is a lot of people don't-- - 'Cause you talk to the couple and they be crying and you-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The whole thing is you like, this is why I let his job. - Yeah, man. - We sent him around the beat like a cat fire. That's crazy. I'll be forgetting about a lot of that stuff, man. But what's crazy, a lot of people don't know the devil, the devil to do was very inspirational when we were kids, 'cause he was in a group called Art Squad. Art Squad was a group from Houston, I think, or Texas. And they used to have this song called, "Fuckin' Up Your For Shope" to try and get some hope. (laughing) - That's a classic devil. - Man, man, man. - We used to be kids, rockin' out to the show. - That's a cut in the devil. - He wasn't going to the show club to get the fool. He was, before he was devin' a dude. And so I was like, so happy that he reached out for me to get on with the job. 'Cause I was like, man, you understand how much me and being, like, you should have listened to. Art Squad. - Yeah, I think they were signing the rap a lot. - Yeah, but that was a rap a lot. - Yeah, you rap a lot. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So, but, and then "Sorry" verse is like a very, almost like, it feels like therapeutic for you a bit, like you say in some shit that you had been, to me. - Yeah, put me on that song. - Like, you had been holding this in, and you were part, like the song's so sorry, you apologized to some people about, some shit you had been going through. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, for me, like, as a rapper, man, I grew up in the most effective rappers, they talked about real shit and their life. And so, when I became a rapper, that's kind of what I wanted to do. So, a lot of times I'm just letting people know that I'm human and I go through things. So, the verses be real for me. You know, they not just, you know, rap, I'm that nigga, Braggadocio, which, I mean, that's cool too, but I've been wanting to, like, to connect with people. - Yeah, I mean, like, hit them. - I know you ain't on your rap shit right now, but I'm definitely listening to those two versions of my rap. - Me too, me too, me too, me too. - I swear to God, I got to. - I hadn't heard them in a long time. - I got to, I got attacked, you know what I'm saying. - I'm gonna get mine in, so to ask about verses, the UGK verse. - Oh, of course. - Which, to this day, they played out wedding. - Yeah. - First of all, at Dremont's wedding, we went crazy. - That was the entrance, did it? - Yeah, there's the entrance. - I don't know if you know that. So, Dremont Green got married. - I did not know that entrance. - That was the entrance, they walked into that shit. - The dichotomy of Drago and then the beat dropped. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Well, okay, so I got a funny story about that. - But, you know what I'm saying? - Play your part. - Rest in peace, Pemp, but I got a story about that. Pemp was so mad at me because they sent the beat and I, you know, wrote my verse, put my words down and I took the beat out for me to rap. When I sent it back to them, Pemp, like, man, this motherfucker, motherfucker, man, this nigga don't got that. You know, and just nigga don't got that name. Take my beat out. - Why, who the fuck he thinking? - He was really mad at the choice that I made to take the beat and I think I don't know if it was a bond or somebody that was like, nah, but you understand. When that beat dropped, no. It said it off, so it's almost like a set up. - For you, it's for him, so it worked and once he got there, he was like, okay, but he was so mad at me. - I think the song is going international players at them. The song, Pemp, C, go second. His name is Pemp, C, first song. Second of all, he's one of the best rappers I've ever lived, but his rap is about being a Pemp and being a player. Drain's verse is about, no, I'm actually ready to get married. It's, you wouldn't think it works, but because it's real, you were real and Pemp is real. And then everybody else, it really fucking works and flows. - So good. So good. - Then you're just trying to find a way to contribute to a song. You know, like, okay, like, okay, like, I know ain't no Pemp has nigga like that. So, but my homies are, you know, so how can I display a situation that makes sense for the song? And so you just set it up and where I was in my life at the time. I wouldn't, you know, trying to get married at the time, but I know I wouldn't know Pemp has nigga either. So it's kind of like that setup or that story made, what being and everybody else doing makes sense. Even like the Kanye song, like, I knew that subject matter because my mother had died, his mother had died. So it's like, okay, how can I set Ye up for it to talk about me? It's down to Heyman's down to, you know, so it's my mom talking to his mom, but it's like, you figure out how can I make a useful contribution to the song? - Yeah. - And even what a job is kind of like to explain what a job this is that I'm doing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So you try to make this sometimes. - You listen to what a job goes. It's one of the greatest purposes I've ever had. - And since you're right now, I got my phone. I think so. - I can give these guys. - Summers, you gotta go home and listen to all this shit. - I love your song, Heyya, it's also my cousin's name. - Oh, oh, thank you. - I'm not saying, but that same thing and what he's saying. - Heyya. - Heyya. - He's a thing in comedy that you do really well. Your comedy is like some real shit. - Oh, yes, you do. - It's so real about your experience growing up and who you are. Some comedians choose to talk about their personal things in their life and some talk about what's happening in the world. You choose to make it very personal. - Yeah, because I can say whatever. They can't cancel me. They can't pronounce my name, you know? They're like, "John, yeah, yeah, yeah, "mailing from police press. Who is that?" I basically went out for-- - No, she's talking about her parents almost-- - Oh, yeah, I see. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. - They got on my-- - She was missing. - Yeah. - And doing the dumpster. - She said, "Yo." - Also, Andre, you saw me coming so you got a traffic cone. I'm not driving right now, am I? - No. - No, I just like traffic cones. And I just, I saw one outside. I was like, "Hey, can I use this and put it right here?" - Yeah. - I used to make very, her comedy is very-- - Oh, she got her. - She got her. - She got her. - And you know, you love that feeling. How would you be if you went to China? In China, do they accept you and your children? - No, they don't like me because I talk. (laughing) Yeah, I'm not a popular-- They like me, but they just think I talk too much. And that's also why my husband left. They don't know me. They're like, "Oh, she talks. They can't mute me." - What was your husband from? - I don't remember. I think the first one is Russian. I didn't know his-- I didn't know it coming. He just immediately one day. I'm like, "Okay, he's here." I was-- I went to Kentucky. LeBron, I know you are from Ohio. - Oh, yeah. - I went to Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky. - How did you start doing comedy by that? - Actually, I was auditioning, trying to get a book to better my accent. You know, I can't speak English. You don't like my accent. I couldn't get a job. But then one day I was auditioning for John Singleton. His TV show called Rebel. It is a black girl, she's a cop from Oakland. And then a Chinese girl is a sad kick, has no Kung Fu. So that's the rush hour on my budget. - The rush hour on my budget? (laughing) - Yeah, shoot. - So I forgot my lines. I started doing improv. And John Singleton just started laughing. He's like, "You're very funny. Do you know who this is? This is Ali Wang. You should do stand-up comedy." So I'm like, "Do I have the job now?" He's like, "Hell no." I don't understand words with that bitch. But he got me into open mics. And I started doing open mics. Then I bought a club in Wormons. - Wow. - To me that's very awesome that you bought a club because you kind of like made your own space for you to try out your own jokes. - Yeah. - Like, "Man, that's entrepreneurial." - I knew I wasn't good. And I knew 10,000 hours. And nobody wanted me on stage because when you are not good nobody wants you on stage. So I bought a club. - What? - And Melrose and Kahunga is right there. - That's hard. - And that's what happens when you don't make a phone call. - Invest in yourself. - Yeah. - But I can't stand outside though. I have a Mexican working for me because if I stand outside, people always won't get a nails done. They're like, "Oh my God." - Me, oh. - Jesus. - You know what I love about comedians? Like, it's the same thing as a kid. What I love about rappers. Like comedians, they can say what the fuck they want to say. - They want to say. - And it's real, but it's like an accepted way because you laugh and we're rap. You rock into a beat. So I can say whatever the fuck I want to say. So it's kind of like, I think there's a certain realness and I think comedians are the realest motherfuckers out. - For sure. - You know what I mean? - But they try to hush them now though, right? - Which I think is horrible. - Which is horrible. They're supposed to make fun of society and what we go through. - Yeah, like we're getting too touchy, man. - I agree. - My two favorites in the world, they don't let nobody sound as them. And that's Bill Burr and Dave Shapale. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Those are my two favorites. I know I can get a good ass old school when I was growing up laugh 'cause they're not letting nobody. - Yeah. - They're art form, it's art. It's like art, it's realness about what y'all do. And to be able to say y'all truth, but also have an ability to make households laugh is something that should never be taken away. You know, that shit when we was growing up, you already know we all, we wrote sessions all the time. - Yeah, that made you talk. - That made you talk, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We call it Johnny. - Johnny. - Yeah, you don't get junked out. - Yeah, for sure. - Also making black people laugh is the hardest thing. They don't give you pity love. If you're not funny, they're just like, I did the Apollo Theater last year. - Did you get through your set? - Yeah, I did the one hour. - That's a win, oh, that's a win. - And it was very scary because you can't, black people don't give you pity love, you know? They're like Chinese moms, they'll tell you why you suck. And they don't make sure you understand you should die. - Black people show up in the show. - Just like crazy. - Shame about the made me laugh. - Right, right. - You got to work really hard to make me laugh. - Yeah, make sure you're up, make me laugh. - And pay for tickets. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What is your mom thinking of your comedy? - Oh, she's like just because you're ugly, doesn't mean you are funny, you know? Not ugly if you are funny. I said, "Mom, I was not ugly, I was mischined in 2014." She goes, "Now you're older, you're mischined in town." - Damn. - You're mischined in town. - You're so shy, mischined in town. - You're so quick on the goddamn drum. - Oh, quick, it's a problem. - She's like, "Yes, she says you mischined in town." - So one of the things Stax mentioned was that he respected of you being entrepreneurial. I mean, we have a young entrepreneur here, young Nigel Sylvester. I've always known, Nigel and I go back too far at this point that I want to share how long, right? But I've always respected that when you ask who Nigel is, it's like he's a BMX star, but you don't compete. Right, you literally created your own lane. Talk a little bit about that. And I had to come up in the game for me, man, like it was all about content, right? It was like, ask my mom to get me a little Sony handy cam. And I remember that Christmas about the time I got the camera working. It was too dark outside. So I used the Christmas lights on the house to light up the frame to shoot content. 'Cause I understood, like, I needed to create these videos. This is probably to the internet, right? There's no social media, there's no YouTube yet. So to get sponsored, which was a dream for me to go pro, I had to make sponsored me tapes. So I was shooting these videos and kind of sending them out to different brands. Nobody sponsored me off of that, of course, like, it was the thing. But that's what I got into. And from that point, I was like, okay, I know I need to be self-sufficient and build, like, to build my brand up. And you always knew that you wanted to ride, like, you should do that shit when you was a kid. 'Cause I mean, obviously, we all used to ride bikes, I mean, shit, you know, just doing it with the homies riding around and shit, thinking you can jump and spin them off like that. Yeah. Hand the bars of shit, fallin' shit with like, "Honey, I'm fucking new, like, I'm nice with this shit." You know, for me, like, it happened I was four years old. It's a four? Four years old. So, like, so, I was, I'm a grandmother's house and I was a kid. She had a daycare. And she always had kids around and toys and everything in the driveway. I came outside one day and there was a tricycle in the driveway. For some reason, I was like, I'm gonna get on it and rip it around the driveway. And I'm pelling super fast. You know, tricycle has the pedals on like the front wheel. And for some reason, I decided to lock up the front wheel and the back of the tricycle spun around. And my older cousin was like, you know, do that again. So, I did it again. He was like, oh, that's crazy. So, he set up these cones. Similar to that cone right there. Yeah. He set up these cones in the driveway. He was like, do that around those cones. And I started driftin' on my tricycle as four years old. And I fell in love with bicycle riding that day. I love bikes. So, you been riding bikes since then? Since then. And you wanna do it the rest of your life? I knew it's in that point. Like, I love bike riding. At 12 years old, I realized, okay, I can do this pro. I seen it on TV. I was like, I've seen guys with their helmets and their chest pads, all the stickers on. Going on in the ramps, I was like, that's what I wanna do. Yeah. And Nigel, we sit here knowing the success you've had and the brand you've built and all of those things. But take us back to when you're in Queens. Right. And you're telling the homies, I'm gonna be a BMX. Right, I'm like, what are you even talking about? I mean, listen, I grew up in Lawrence in Queens, right? predominantly black neighborhood. So I'm coming around and talking about, I wanna be a professional bike rider. Like, you know, that white boy shit. Yeah. Like, that's what it was, because at that point in time, our experience was, it was just seeing young white men creating, like, having success at BMX riding. We didn't have any skate parks. There was no media around, like, how are you gonna do that? And I sorted out, man, like, I had to go to the city. I had to go to Manhattan. And I had to feel like a bunch of riders from like Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, whatever it would, like, congregate. Black and white. Black, white, everything. Everything, everything, everything. That's what I started to, like, that's why I met my tribe, was that? That's when you, yeah, I got it. Where you gonna be with. Right, and I started to be different photographers, different videographers, who put me onto the game. And that's what I started to get my name out there, man. That's dope. No, Dre, one thing I wanted to ask you about is, like, we had LL on the show, who's having, he was like, I'm about to put out another album. And we started talking about you. I don't know if you saw him, but we said, of course, I saw him. Of course, we started talking about you. And he was like, fuck that. I wanna hear Dre rap. Like, it's cool to be older rapper. Like, people are losing, like, trying not to be like, as you get older, not rap. What's your thoughts on that? But to be clear, he was like, I don't wanna hear him play the flu. I wanna hear it, for sure. Yeah, yeah, and to me, like, I feel like, if it's in you, 'cause like, I still got home with my agent, older than me, that's still rap. So I'm like, if it's in you, you should rap until you die. You should perform until you die, like, if it's in you. But what I'm saying is what it takes for me to do it, I'm always looking for the next. I'm not trying to uphold a thing that I've done before. Like, I'm trying, like, of course I have things to say now, but if I can't say them in a fresh, innovative way, like, if I feel like I'm just hanging on to something a sane flow that I used to do, or it's not enough for me. So I can't talk for another rapper about what they doing. I just say, man, go for it, like, if it's in you. You still get people sending you tracks all the time, I'm sure, right? Like, if you do this, is it hard for you to say no to this, people? Nah, nah, it's not hard because, no, no, it's not because, I mean, I, and what I always say is, it depends on the beat, because sometimes somebody can send me a beat, and I go right in. You're feeling good, come on. Yeah, and then it may not be like a popular artist, like even the walk it out song, he was a local Atlanta guy. Like, I didn't, he didn't have records, but my homies sent me to beat. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm on this. You felt it? Yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO] I feel it like in the minute you put on, you're gonna listen to it a couple of times. - I can know that I wanna get on it as soon as I hear it. And there are songs that I wanted to get on so bad. It was a very famous Wayne song. And I think Juicy J was on it. What's it? - "Bans and Maker Dance," that's Juicy J. - "Bans and Maker Dance." - "Bans and Maker Dance." - "Bans and Maker Dance." - "Bans and Maker Dance," that's Juicy J. That didn't sound right, like did you record anything? - No, 'cause I'm a writer. I'm not a freestyle, like, I pan thing. So I do try out things to myself, you know, in my head. See if it's working, and I couldn't get it working. - You make it stacks on that, a verse on that. - "Bans and Maker Dance." - Man, I wanna be on that so bad, man. - That's amazing, man. - That's why I tell you one thing, it's a billion motherfuckers, artists, hoping they pull something on you. - They say, "You should." - Well, for me too, like, it's therapeutic. And for sure, to go, you know what I mean? Like, it's a blessing to go. A lot of people think, like, I'm holding rap, so it's like, I'm fucking with rap. No, like, rap is awesome, like. - Yeah, since when on that topic, talking about like, new shit that we working on, I got this new album coming out soon. (laughing) - You guys are sitting there, man. - Yeah, so I'm trying to get the ranchers, get it to you, and now I'm sad. I mean, if you fuck with it, cool, but I don't even worry about it. 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