ANDI AVALON & JOEY AVALON: Hotwifing, Sounding, & Getting Doxxed

(upbeat music) - And then little do we know, the maid of honor in my wedding, who hadn't spoken to in like three or four months, found out and sent all of our friends and family my links and my photos and my videos, his workplace, his parents, you name it. - He's got docs. - Docs, she was online, putting my kids' names out there. It was really rough. Welcome to the Adult Time Podcast. - Welcome to the Adult Time Podcast, everybody. My name is Bremill's and I am here with a very special couple. May I present the avalanche. Andy and Joey Avalon, thank you guys so much for coming down to the pod today. I think you are. I did have a lesbian couple on the podcast a few months ago, but you are my first straight couple. And I feel like I'm your unicorn today. - I'm a lovely inner. - Glad to be here. - Thank you for coming. - Yeah, no, I know that we have worked together on set before, this is our first time meeting. - Absolutely. - So it's gonna be fun to get to know you too and not just your relationship, but obviously what you have done together and individually in the industry. So yeah, it's gonna be a good time. We always start, however, with a little icebreaker. Kind of break the ice. And we're gonna play a game called Hot or Not. And we're gonna make this a couple's edition. - Okay. - Okay. (upbeat music) - As a couple, sharing a toothbrush, hot or not? - Not. - No. - No. - No. - No, I don't see any. - We have shared a toothbrush. - Yeah, in desperate times, it's there. At least, you know the person's coonies. Yeah, it's coonies nonetheless. - When you find out you still get pissed. - Yeah, I don't love it. - Yeah. - I might change my toothbrush after that. - Yeah, it's probably, you're probably not gonna keep using the toothbrush after. But what do you think it is about sharing a toothbrush that gives people the ick? 'Cause I mean, people share all kinds of things, right? They share towels sometimes. - Or like we can make out. And then, - Yeah, that's it. - One second later, we're using the toothbrush, but that's off limits. - Yeah, exactly, like why is that? - I think it's knowing like you've eaten food and there's something in there. And then like the thought of it not being rinsed and going in my mouth. - It could be like sharing toilet paper. - It would be like that. - Yeah, I think it would be less evil than sharing toilet paper. - Oh, the spectrum. - But on the spectrum. But yeah, it's the same thing. You don't wanna get any bits. - I don't want bits in my mouth. - You don't want bits in your mouth. - No, not those kind of bits. - No, exactly. All right, so as a couple, hot or not, using pet names in public. - No. - Yeah, I saw your name. - I just don't see an avenue for that. - So if you guys have pet names. - Are there a little bit? - No, no. - We don't. - No. - Yeah. - Definitely. - No, we don't. - I think that's something that you start with. And then if it continues in your relationship, and we never started with one stuff. - Yeah, yeah. - I think it's that simple. - You didn't pick it up, I don't know. - Yeah, it's your number of years. - All the people I know that you some started the first two weeks. - Do you ever, like if you were, okay, hypothetically. If you were to give Joey a pet name right now. - This far along in your relationship. - I think. - What would it be? - A pet name. - Yeah, I don't know. - Like a term of, like a faction, endearment. - Honey. - Honey. - Not really a pet name, but that's a food. - Honey? - Sweet. - Yeah. - Sweet. - Yeah, I don't even know that I would even be able to call that pet name, but probably be honey. - Yeah. - What about you, Jeff? - If you had to be. - Tell you what maybe he doesn't like. (laughing) - What would mine be? - Oh no. - Kittycat. - Kittycat. - I'm trying to think of a movie that's where I would Kittycat. - But you see, to use to drop Kittycat as a pet name. Like you have to, I feel, have a lot of confidence. Because that's something that, some of the people might like that. But it also could be something that would be very cringe. - Can you imagine being like, you have to deliver it with a certain sort of swagger. - That's true. - Otherwise it's just gonna feel really ecky. - You imagine being like at a restaurant or a bar and the person next to you, hey, Kittycat. - You're like, you're like, you could be sexy. - Yeah, like it could be. - It could be the person that's saying, like if I called my wife Kittycat, she would tell me to just like, she'd be like, what are you doing? That's gross. But yeah, okay, so hot or not. - Eating in bed after sex. I think that'd be kind of fun. I don't know if it's hot, it was chocolate. - What kind of, yeah. - If it was chocolate it'd be hot. - Yeah. - I've always wanted to smoke in bed. I don't smoke, but out of the movies. - Yes, yeah, that's right. - I just wanna be that guy. - I just wanna smoke. - Yeah, I'd love to light up a cigarette after a good sex. I'm like, okay, do it, he's like, no. (laughing) He's like, no. - You have to get like a smoking roommate hotel. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what he wants to be in the smoking roommate hotel. - No, but we would film that 'cause there are people that love that. - Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I can, I can, when you say that, I imagine like a giant subway sandwich after sex. - Yeah. - And you know, I'm like, no. - So cool. - Actually, I just flipped on that. I do think it's actually. - Oh my God, I would probably be like, well, because it is like, if you have a good lay and you're feeling really good, having a good sandwich could be good. But I mean, but the mess. Like you're still naked in the thing. - Yeah, but there might already be a mess after that. - So that is true, right? - I could just be-- - I flipped on this. - Yeah, oh God. - I'm going for it. - And you can share your two-thousand stuff. - Feel as you stay, after sex. - I'm gonna tag you after, yeah, there you go. Okay, so hot or not, role play involving costumes. The costumes ever come, I mean, obviously you film probably a lot of content that involves it. But like, you know, just kicking it back on a Tuesday night, do the costumes come out? - Um, no, but he would probably love it. He typically gets me in a robe. - I get the robe. - Yeah. - I mean, for him, he'll take it. - I get the back of your shirt and robe. - A costume I think he did. - Yeah, the back of your shirt. - So true. - That is the honey verded of our house. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughing) - All right, so you would be down for it. But, but-- - If he came out in a costume, I'd probably laugh, 'cause it's totally not him. - He doesn't even dress up for Halloween. - Yeah. - It would be something like a sailor moon. Something like that, like a costume. - You would like that, yeah. - Yeah, it could be fun. - I think that's what you'd like. - I think under that robe, one night Andy, you should just have that sailor moon. - I think it would be fun to talk to him. - And Rock Joe is more. - He'd come before I even got that man. - Yeah, he would need to touch him. He'd be like, "Yes." - And finally, not a bag of t-shirts. - And the sandwich. - Yeah, that's so true. - All right, tasting your partner's sweat after a workout. - For me and not. - Yeah. - I think it depends, but yeah. - I think he'd like it. - Yeah. - I think he'd like my armpits. - He's a big swok guy. - Yeah, he likes sweat. - Yeah, yeah. - I think he'd like that. - Yeah, but lady sweat. - And fell sweat. Those are different sweats. - Yeah, men's small difference. - Yeah, women. - One would not want a necessarily look-amounted. - Yeah, no, not for not to me. - That'd be a knot. - All right, so you guys don't use pet names in public, but how do you feel about PDA? Is that a hot or a knot? - Depending on where. - I can get-- - I can get-- - I have many drinks or cocktails, you might want. - Oh yeah, I've got a drink. I might be able to see. - He had a PDA kind of man. - He's never husband. He gets some nervous or people are staring on him. It's not appropriate. - Yeah. - Depends on how much I drink. - Yeah, just kids around. - Yeah, there you go. - It is true, when you were out somewhere, especially when it's not the vibe, right? - But you're at a family restaurant and there's a couple in the corner grinding on each other. You do tend to pass judgment. - Yeah, absolutely. - You do tend to sort of, maybe it's not a problem. - And it depends on the type of PDA, too. Like if it's super sexual, it might be inappropriate, but if it's like cute and romantic, you're like, oh, look at that, that's cute. - It's actually, it's like-- - Okay, so sort of mixed back. - Mixed back. - Mixed back. - All right, and then finally, what we all want to know, hot or not, watching your partner masturbate. - Hot. - Yeah. - Hot. - Yeah. - One answer. - Yeah. - One word answer. - Double, double. - I love hot. - Double. - I love hot. - Yeah, sometimes it's like, it's like, just that close to the real thing, right? It's like, it's nice, yeah. - That's so true. We've had times where I was, she's like, just take care of yourself or something and then I start doing it. She's like, oh, it's really hot. - All right, thank you for your time. - I'm like, oh, I can't stand on the side. - I don't wanna do anything and he's like, all right. - You wanna, you know, jack up? I'm like, all right. And then I'm like, oh, it's kinda hot. - Yeah, yeah, it's usually a good way to like, just get the other person going. - Yeah, absolutely. (upbeat music) - Hey, step bro, why so gloom? Share about adulttime.com with a free week of premium adult entertainment. Using promo code ATPD. That's ATPD. You won't regret it if you're 18 plus, of course. Okay, so it's pretty rare that one, if not both partners in a, you know, sort of sex worker relationship, enter the industry together. But I gather that you two enter the industry together. Is that correct? Nice. So before we get into your experience being performers together, let's talk about how you guys got together in the first place. So can you please, I'm gonna sit back, get my water and I would like to hear your lovely origin story, please. - You would feel it to start? - Sure. I was a server at Masters' Steakhouse, a cocktail server. And I worked there for a while. And he was my regular that would come in and have dinner and then he would ask me out and I would say no. And this went on for like a year, come out like every weekend, bring his friends, family, everything. And then eventually he asked out my friend, which made me very jealous. - She did not like that. And I was like, wait. - I had to pull out my bag at the time. - Yeah, I was like, wait a minute. - And was that intentional? Was that a move? - No, you were a killer. - You were a killer. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was like, that's so rude. So then he texted me and he was like, do you wanna come pick me up? And I was like, yes. And so I went, I picked him up. And I was like, to come home and just literally drove him home. And we hung out for a little while, and then he asked to come visit me. You asked me to come visit you. - At the beach. - At the beach, just house the beach. And I said yes. And then he was together. - I think ever since. - Every day since. - Yeah. - I said that was the very first time. - Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna marry you. - Yeah, I told you this crazy. - And then he did. - Aww. - Yeah. So every weekend for a year, eating a steak and asking Andy out. - Yeah, it was in Palm Desert. My family's house out there. - Yeah. - And so I was going out there every weekend with friends to play golf. - To play golf. - And then half of my brain was like, well then I get to hang out there afterwards. And then it took a year, but finally it happened. - And what were the sort of like, so how many years have you guys been together? - That was 12 years. - That was in, 12? - Yeah, yeah. We got engaged nine months after that. - Wow, okay. So you've been married for over a decade. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Nice. And in the early years of your relationship, like when did sort of the idea of opening up your relationship of swinging, when did that kind of come into the picture? - Oh boy. The four years ago? - Three years ago. - Three years ago? - Okay, so this is a good chunk of time. So please, this is actually quite fascinating, right? 'Cause, you know, couples, especially couples who have been together for a long time, right? It's pretty easy to fall into complacency. So, you know, at what point did you guys decide to sort of shake things up? And how did that come about? - Yeah, we were totally monogamous up until that point. - Yeah. - And we were-- - We were staying at home mom. - Yeah, stay at home mom. Just living, you know, and we have every ups and downs. And it's not that our relationship was never bad. It was always pretty strong, but would you say it was the tough mother? - Yeah, we just, yeah. We did this thing called the tough mother. It was like an outdoor, I don't know, competition. - The competition, yeah. - And I got paired with this really beautiful girl. And we'd all been kind of drinking instead, but I was actually kind of cute, but I didn't really address those feelings. I was never really into them, so I thought, but at the end of that day, he pulled me aside. He was like, I think you like women. And I was like, no, I don't. And he's like, oh yeah, you definitely do. - Yeah, you're spidey-slicing on. - I was insecure. - Yeah, super-dustin. - That was a lot of fun. - You were happy, I know. - Oh my gosh, she's gonna leave me for-- - Yeah. - She was like, mother check, yeah. - And he's like, you really, I know you, I know you, like her, I know you, and I was like, I do. And he's like, yeah. And it was like a serious conversation. And then the next day, I think you came up to me and you were like, I want you to live your life and never have any, like never wish you didn't try something. - Yeah. - She liked women when you want to be with women. Like I don't want you to go on without trying something. - Yeah, there's more, but there was like seven years of us being happily married. And Donald, I know it, but the equitations, but like there's still-- - Yeah. - But she would always make, I was working and we were doing well. And she was to stay at home mom, three kids, all going to Catholic school. And she would always make kind of comments and they weren't bad at all. But she was saying, I don't, basically saying, I don't feel fully fulfilled in life. - Yeah. - Whatever that means. And it hurt my heart. Knowing like she might be stuck in this position that maybe she didn't sign up for. - Yeah. And as her partner, right? You obviously want her to feel fulfilled and you want her to feel fulfilled within what you all have together, but you have that nagging feeling that if you block it, right? You kind of keep holding her back, it's going to end up kind of brewing with that. - Absolutely. - Or yeah. So like how did, you know, you have that first reaction where you see her catching feelings. And like you said, it was insecurity. It wasn't a good initial feeling. How were you able to turn that around and be as logical as you were the next day realizing like, hey, I actually like, for you, but also for us, like you need to do this. - Yeah, I don't think it was like pleasure. Like you're-- - It wasn't fulfilled. It wasn't like, it wasn't unfaithful pleasure. - Yeah. - In sex, yeah. - Just in life and general plus that, I think I tried to internalize at first. Like what am I doing wrong to make her, like any human would do. And then I realized maybe, you know, there are things I could work on that's, but it's, that's life's taking its course. I need, don't need to get it in the way and let's communicate. Let's start the process of communicating. And it wasn't, she didn't come to music. I want to have sex with girls. I want to do this. It wasn't like, I'm just caged up. It wasn't at all. It was like-- - I also suppressed those feelings. - Yeah. - I was like, no, no, no, like I think you're wrong. Like no. But in the back of my mind, I was like, oh, maybe I, I mean, I do like her. Like she's hot and we had a good connection. And then you went and did the tantrum massage. That was her first step. Our first step was he looked up a tantrum massage where we both got to experience woman together doing this like erotic thing and it was amazing. - Yeah, it was cool. It was really cool. And we both finished with this woman. And it was very central for both of us and it like reconnected us. - Yeah, and it was the first time you two had done anything with another person. - Yes, in the room. And she didn't participate. Like she was one giving the completion, which was also unique. That was really fun. And then I think we went back and met her again, the girl that I liked. - Yes, yeah. And we actually both took her home. - Yes, okay. - So I got to be with the person. - Yes, and him and so to me. - Yeah, and was that something that like for you within your comfort zone was important in that first step versus say like Andy doing something independently? - Yeah, I don't think it wasn't like a control thing either. I think it had that happened organically. I don't know if it would have happened. - I wouldn't have done it by myself. - Yeah. - Like it wasn't something that I would have personally wanted it to be within the context of the relationship. - And then yeah, quickly after that, I was like, well, let's not stop at that. Like a week later. - Yeah, like you guys both, like you said, it was like a very reconnecting experience, right? - Yeah. - And it was great for me like to like be like, oh, it's okay if I have these feelings for women, like he's not mad about it. And I get to still like go there and it's hot and he doesn't look at me different. And I was like, I was really hot. You know, so it was a good thing. And then we moved on to a gentleman. - A gentleman. - For like a hot wife kind of experience. - Yes, yeah. - And how did that feel? Cause that's sort of a different vibe from another girl, right? - Yeah. - That's a different level of kind of feeling. - That one, cause it's kind of, I'm not gonna say mainstream, but it's, you know, couples often add a girl. - Yes, that's, that's, that's, it's more normal. - Well, or it's a bit more of like what you would call it. Like it's like it breaks the ice. - Yeah. - Like that kind of dynamic. - It opens up your sexuality. - Yeah, and there's less kind of sometimes, I don't wanna say like jealousy or competition, but I would have mad just jealousy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - In less time, right? - I feel like things could go wrong more with a girl. - Things could get in with your new to it. But no, then we added that guy. - That was obviously just for me. - Yeah. - And that was like, out of body experience situation. And then we didn't talk about it for like two weeks. - Yeah. - We just kind of like, we recorded it. I didn't watch it. I refused to acknowledge it. It happened. Like I just let it go. - Yeah. - And then eventually he's like, you need to like, let's talk about it, you know? And then I think that's when we started kind of, then he started introducing me. Well, there's these other things that we could try, which is like involve swinging, like other couples and parties and like, things like that. - Just the websites alone. - Yeah. - It was like, we felt deviant, but like, we really get together. - Yeah, we did. - So there's nothing wrong with it. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - And we kind of tiptoed into the swinging lifestyle. And it just kind of kept getting a little bit bigger, a little bit bigger, a little bit bigger. And then we did, we started a. - But that original gentleman, that was filmed. - Yeah. - And that kept both her face and I think his face was out of it. - Yeah, but who's the hero was it for the filming? - I don't remember. - That's a great question. - But it feels like, that didn't sit. - I don't think I would have been like, he was like, I think I just busted out the camera phone. And I didn't know how to do it. So I did it like this, like a home, like just a normal, and then like knowing now, like I should have, but that tells you how authentic it is. - Yeah. - Literally me going like this. - Yeah. And so you, so, so, didn't feel like, you know, 'cause that's your first experience watching your wife, like having sex with another guy, right? And again, a lot of people could feel very threatened by that or jealous of that. You'd started, like you were obviously kind of both very consensually into this, but it's the first time. Did you feel like having the recording in a sense gave you something to like focus on or put your perspective in the moment? - That's a great way to take a bit of it. - There's a lot of checking in too. Like I would look over on a big RU, okay? - But you were like in a whole other world, like. - Yeah. - It was like an out of body experience. Like, and so I kind of like, not blacked out, but you kind of like forget what's happening around you. - Yeah. - And then, overwhelming, I think you're on to, right? Like you're feeling a lot, obviously, the physical way of feeling, but also just like the whole thing. - Yeah. - It's emotional, right? - And then he did, you would do that to kind of participate in. - Kind of, yeah. - And you know, like, I was like, oh come on, watch you, like, once I was able to like check in, I'm like, hey, do you wanna like come participate? And like, we did for a little bit, and then it was like over. But yeah, you did, I think filming did help you kind of have control, I think. - Yeah. - I guess you're like kind of the director's hat. - Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know, like for me, like, I find, you know, that it gives you something, You're watching it and you're enjoying it. but you're watching it from a different perspective because you're filming it, right? So in a way, it helps you to kind of separate the emotional-- - Yeah, 'cause if I was sitting there like this-- - Yeah, just like, just like-- - Yeah, you never stuck. - Or I never-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, never stuck, he was always walking around and kind of-- - And I guess that is kind of what separates the different genres. - Of the wooden, in a hot way. - Yeah, there's more to it, but that's a really big one that I don't think people touch on a lot of his husband's like, the director thinking about. And so I took that foot or that content, and I didn't really even know what Twitter was at the time, just 'cause we were just, we were a fan, like parents, like-- - We were pretty good, yeah, I got it. - And I made a Twitter name and put it out there and it blew up. - People loves it. - Yeah. - And then I was like, whoa, wait a minute. It's this easy? - Yeah. And so what year would it this been? - This was 2022. - Okay, all right, so pandemic, it's pandemic was sort of, yeah. - We were late to the game for sure. - But only fans was there in existence, so it was a hot skip in a jump once you saw those videos. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wait a minute, maybe we could do more. - Yeah, and, but again, we weren't really talking about it. And then finally, we revisited that situation, and then she's like, well, let's do it again. And so then we kind of started a journey of that hot waifing, which I didn't know, but quickly found out is a huge-- - Oh yeah, we had no idea. - Yeah, well, 'cause I think it's the fantasy of a lot of people who might not feel confident to do it in their real life, but really fantasize, right? - Yeah, and we've learned that just from people talking, reaching out to us, saying like, oh my god, like you guys are doing what we want to do. - Yeah, we get a lot of that. - Yeah, yeah. So with, what would your advice be, a couple that had many years of kind of conventional monogamy, and sort of like you said, a kind of like very typical civilian, but not lifestyle, to a couple that kind of embraced, non-monogamy and like swinging and like hot waifing in some of these different activities. What advice would you have for a couple that's kind of still in this area, but is like thinking about wanting to explore? - We actually get this question a lot. Like a lot of my fans are always asking me, how do I talk my wife into this? How do I talk my husband into this? I really want to do it. I always just say, tread lightly, start really slow because just bringing it up, the question can be scary and soul-teens, somebody emotions will come up. I would say, bringing up in casual conversation, oh my gosh, I saw this couple and they were talking to other. Also, nowadays you turn on TikTok and it's polyamory. There's all the steps you're already exposed to it. So most people are gonna be very lucky that they're already familiar with what it is. And then you just bring it up so like, hey, I saw this couple on the head, did you believe so? And so is, they went on date with another couple and I would just do it really slow. - Yeah. - 'Cause you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings and there might be also your partner isn't ready, but planning the seed and giving it time will help them to kind of adjust to the concept. If you go right into it sometimes, it'll back to you. - It'll be a shock to the city. - Yeah, and it's not the solution to problem. It's not the solution. - This is just icing on the cake. - Yeah, this is for somebody in a very healthy relationship that just wants to have fun and sort of disassociate the whatever like, make you love. - Make you love. - Make you Paris and feelings from like, oh, as you came to realize, I want my partner to be fulfilled. And here's how I can help her live her best life. So she can be the best partner. - She also said that all of his insecurities, she's gonna leave me for this mansion, leave me for women. Now he doesn't have those. She's like, there's nothing, our love is strong. Nothing's gonna break us apart. And no matter who she sleeps with or who I sleep with, it doesn't hurt us. - So how do you get to that point? - That's a hard one. It's one of those things where I don't think I was even seeking it and it's just happened over time. Some people could say that unhealthy to me, it's not. It's taken away a lot of anxiety in life. 'Cause to me it was a financial deal meaning like, if I didn't make X amount of money, she was gonna leave me. That was the insecurity. - Yeah, and I've realized just throughout this whole journey, there's so much more to our relationship than being easily swayed one way or the other. But having sexual partners isn't one of those things that I think that makes me jealous anymore. I don't know if it ever did. - Yeah. - It was the thought of it was mainly, and once you see it instead of think about it, you realize like, hey, this isn't something I need to worry about. She's an adult like that. You're not gonna fall in love with your partner. - Yeah, that first thing, right? - That first thing, right? - But you said that you had to navigate. - Oh, I definitely had to have it. - So how did you get to a point where it wasn't tearing you up inside? - I think I just would look the other way for a little while and kind of just be like, well, if I can do it, and he trusts me, I know I can trust him. And the more I saw it, the more I was like, oh, it's not that scary. And same thing, we'd come home together and we talk about everything. I have almost every scene we talk about it, my way home, on his way home. We do content together, which makes it even more fun. - Yeah. - Just communication, I think. - Yeah. - It helped a lot. I still get jealous sometimes. - Yeah. - You know, most-- - The sonnate. - I do so get jealous. But most of the time, he's like, do you want to do it with me? And then I'm like, oh no, that's fine. And then all of a sudden, I'm not jealous anymore. It's like being included. - Yeah, yeah. - What's kind of knowing, always having those check-ins, right? And knowing that I can answer each other's primary partners and all that stuff. - That's funny, 'cause there was a scene where I was asked if I could pick any performer who it would be. And I like said the name, like-- - And he had the top of his tongue, and I was like, it really fast. I said the name. And she repeated to one of our friends and she was mad about that. - I was like, oh god. - And I was like, man, I should have waited at least five seconds. - And then I realized I was like, yeah, okay. - Yeah, I can understand it. - I get it. But it was just so like, you find yourself, even after a healthy marriage, and going through all of this, that sometimes you still feel jealous. - Yeah, it's normal. - And it's totally normal, and you just communicate, and you work through it, and I get over things very quickly. I don't hold on to anything like that. - What are the keys to communication? What are the keys to successful? And I'm asking this because this is really fascinating to have you guys on our podcast. And I guess a lot of, I think people watching are probably having either similar experiences or have thought about it. So what are the keys to having successful communication when navigating multiple partners in your relationship and not always together, right? - Yeah. - That's like, yeah, I'm really pretty sure. - And there's the professional stuff you guys do, but then I'm assuming too, there's also just the content side, or extracurricular rooms are like, so what are the keys to successful communication? - For us, I always like to know ahead of time what's going on. So we have like a joint calendar, and I love knowing. So I hope that I have a collab on this date, and I'll put the name in there, and then I have the ability to like look who that person, see if she is, or you know, and whether or not I have proof, it hasn't had anything to do. It just mean knowing what's happening, what's coming, the ability to just like communicate, like, hey, I'm talking to the school online, is that how you're cool with that, stuff like that. I think just being very forthcoming, and no surprises. - Mm-hmm. But, I think it has to do all with communication, not hiding things, like finding secret DMs, where I get the text messages. - Oh yeah. - We've never really had, we've never had it before. - We've never had issues like that. I would just say it's the ahead of time, so it should be like, I'm about to book a collab, are you cool with that? Do you have anything going on that day? Do you need me? - Yeah. - And if I say no, it's like, all right, cool. I'm gonna put in the calendar. So that's how we start everything. - And then afterwards, yeah, talking. - And then afterwards, we talk about it. - Yeah. - Which is fun. - So, and you like the debrief. - I love it. That's my favorite part. - 'Cause what about the debriefs? Do you like, what is affirming about the debriefs? - Just being almost being present, like, hey, we got there, it's what she wore, and so we did, it's the steps, how long did it take before you got to sex, how long were photos? - Yeah. - She's taking good reels, like, pulling me into the scene. - Yeah, things in common, like, - Things in common. - Yeah, like just-- - Like a battery went out, or, or like if it's a professional set. - Like I'm there, you know? Like, so when I see it pop up on X, or I see it pop up on only fans, or I see a picture, I'm not like, what's that? I didn't know that. Like, I'm like, oh yeah. Like, I already know. It makes it comfortable. - Yeah. Do you, are there any, like, boundaries you guys have set for each other that you'd become comfortable sharing as sort of an example of boundaries that you guys follow in your kind of non-monogamy? - Yeah. - The only one that I have said is I don't like to see still pictures of them kissing another girl. I don't mind seeing it in a video, or a real, like, I don't like seeing still photos. Like, if I open his phone and there's him kissing a girl, it makes me feel uncomfortable. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's like, we kiss. - Yeah. - That's like our thing. - Yeah. - No, obviously you're gonna kiss a machine. - Yeah, but that's what you don't want to see the still photo. - I don't love it. - Yeah. - And so there's not a few times where I was on, I'm like, I delete those. And he respects them. - And they're from like a club. It's not like, you know, it's part of a photo shoot. But you, I know what you're saying. - You know? Like, I could see like cheesy photos, cool photos. He could be eating the girl out. That doesn't bother me. - Yeah, it's the intimacy of the kiss. I don't have it. And so he's respect. He took him a couple of times to be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But even if he took him and like she wanted to post it, doesn't bother me. It's just the, in my view. Yeah, so that's the only thing I have. I don't know if you have anything. - At first, when she started to do a professional series about two years ago, it was off camera stuff. And I was always-- - Which I don't do. (laughing) - But then like knowing how a set works, like sometimes for the, for time, you need to be doing things off camera. Not like, not like, you know, pdA or anything like that. But like, so that's-- - You're keeping the chemistry going. - Correct. - And the batteries have changed. - Yeah, like you don't need to go have a chair, a spaghetti together, but like, so now I've realized like that's definitely something you should be doing for just, for everybody on the set. - Mm-hmm. And that doesn't even really happen anymore. I'm just-- - No, well, we don't-- - It's not like-- - I'm just-- - That's part of our-- - Yeah, and most-- - That's checklist. - Exactly most of what we do, you know, like we try to always keep it as, you know, professional as possible so that, you know, when people, when we do have to pause, it's not like we're like all taken off on for 45 minutes and leaving you guys that we're like, we're trying to get that action on the camera. - Right, and that's what's up with me-- - And I think you didn't know before doing maintenance. - Yeah, for a long time, it wasn't always like that, you know, and obviously not all sets are created equal. So they're definitely worth it. - That's true, not all sets are created. I wouldn't want to go in the shower afterwards or, you know, so I can understand where that nervousness would come from. - And then he did mainstream and he's like, oh, I get it. - Yeah, it's not fun. - It's not like that, it's not like that, yeah. And then since you guys, I think I heard this correctly, since you guys have begun both performing professionally in terms of your experiences with other partners, do you now pretty much keep that to a professional context and then private life is more the two of you, unless you collectively decide to do something? - Yeah, I mean, we do collabs. I like doing collabs with him, it's really fun. To be honest, we don't even do a lot of swinging anymore, mainly because I'm very careful with testing. And I don't like to put myself or my job at risk at any point. So we kind of stop swinging when I started really going to mainstream. I can't remember the last time we've done it. And some of you loved it. We both loved it, but I was just like, I can't risk it. - Yeah. - So we haven't done a long time, and if we do have part, we don't, we're having so much sex between mainstream and whole, there's no room for any of it, you know? - Yeah, sometimes like a swing party or a couple day. It's performing. Like everybody is at their highest level because this is the first time they've done it in a month or within another. So everybody is trying to impress each other. So again, you're not acting, but you're performing at your highest level rather than enjoying. - Well, and I think do you guys find that since making the switch from being just kind of an exploration of your marriage and your personal sex life to like your job, how has that changed the way you guys even look at sex now? 'Cause I know for me, like I can't, like sex is this weird thing that I'm always thinking of how to package up and sell. And you know, it does shift when you're thinking about your angles and your lighting and like, whether you could film this or not. - Right, so true. Because sometimes like if I'm working two or three days a week and those are long taxing days sometimes, I'll come home and just wanna have sex with him and I just wanna like relax and have like a real good orgasm. And in his head, he's like, this is gonna make great content. And so we'll be doing it and he's like, I'm gonna get my phone and I'm like, you ruined it. - Yeah. - And that's it. And then I throw a fit and he's like, okay, I understand. And then once we get into it, he's like, I understand why, because it's more of emotional connection. - Yeah. - But there's sometimes where I'm like, oh, if you're gonna do something crazy to me and you should probably turn on the camera. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And so it's a hard balance or something. They're just too tired, you know? - Yeah. - It definitely does. You could try and tell yourself that it's not gonna change. - But it does. - Yeah. - And it's not making it-- - And you wanna do just, you wanna do good old fashioned missionary sex? - Yeah. - That's how it all closed up. - Yeah. - I just wanna, you know? - Just like little snuggle. - Yeah, and I don't wanna put on lingerie and he really, you know, he's like-- - Yeah, you got the bag of shirt and the rug. - I got the bag of shirt. - Yeah. - Yeah. - All right, guys, we are gonna play a middle segment of the game and I actually have, I'm gonna go grab them, because I forgot them offset. I have a couple of whiteboards. So we're gonna do a couple's quiz. (upbeat music) I'm gonna pose some questions to you all. And I want you guys, you're gonna have a few seconds to think of the answer for each other. - Okay, so I'm guessing what he's gonna say. - I'm guessing what you're gonna say. And then I am going to keep a score of who gets the most correct answer. - Okay. - So what is there go-to comfort food after a long day on set? - My go-to probably be chocolate. (sniffing) - Oh, that's so bad. - I look at that. - That is this specifically would be only her shoes. - Okay, so what about what about what's Andy's go-to? - For me, wait, let me think, don't say rice cakes. - Is that what you're answering? - Yeah. - Oh, I was gonna say candy. - Oh, yeah, oh my god. - What movie or TV show do they secretly binge watch? - Secretly? Or just in general? Well, let's just put it in general. - Usually right now, it always changes, but it's either to mean 911 or Lucifer. - Oh. - She, all she watches is brain rot. - Ah, I didn't do much. - That is really good. - I heard that's pretty good. - And that's quite gay too. - It's bright out the shoe. - Right off the shoe. - Okay, good. - I have to watch that. - It's yeah. - It's pretty hardcore software. All right, so what about Mr. Joey? What does Joey like to binge watch? - Sopranos. - Oh, there we go. Okay, look at that. - That's easy. - Look at that. So, all right, so here we go. What's one hobby that they've always wanted to do, but they haven't done yet? - I would love to try surfing, but I'm scared of the ocean. - Ooh, feels like I got that wrong. - Oh. - But I have camp. - But not with me. - But that, okay. - All right, okay. - You're gonna laugh then. - What about you, Joey? What is something you've always, hobby, you've always wanted to try, but you haven't yet. - Skydiving. - That's a good one. - Oh, what's that? - Oh! - That's funny. - Well, I think, neither of you get a point, but I think that you should definitely go. - So how? - Go camping together. - Thank you. - I agree. - I agree. - I think that that's my instruction for you guys after today's podcast. - That's funny. - All right, so we're going for a best two out of three. Okay, so far we're one, one each. Okay, so if you could, ah, if you guys could go anywhere for like a romantic weekend getaway, where would your partner want to go? - Okay. - Andy, what's your response? - Italy. (laughing) - I just went close. - I think in the combo. - Well, I thought you'd want to go to combo. You always talk to a combo. - You were so confident. You were so confident. - Okay. All right, what about you Joy? Where would you want to go for a romantic getaway? - Well, if I still drink wine, I would have said napa, but. - Oh. - Wine. - Italy. - Okay, well, looks like we're going to Italy. - Yeah, you're going to go camping in it. (laughing) - Okay, so. - We're looking at the next point. The next point that wins is going to be the winner. - Okay. - Oh boy, oh boy. - Okay, cause so far we're here. - We just dig in deep at this moment. - We're going. - We're going to, we're going to. - We're going to, you guys need to get a divorce after this. (laughing) - The first birthday answer is one question right. Get's to stay on the bus. (laughing) On the other one. Okay, so, oh, here we go. - That's so. - This is one you should know. What is the top app on your person's phone? - They can't live without. - Yeah, the one that they, that's the top of their, like weekly report. - Oh gosh. - Let's start with you. Joy, what is yours? - Okay, this, you just confused me. I was gonna say TikTok, but it's probably Twitter now. - Twitter. - Yeah. - Okay, all right, so Joy gets a point. All right, and what about, what about yours, Andy? - I'm gonna say my banking app. - Oh, and I said TikTok. - Oh, I can't believe that my banking app. - I can't believe that my banking app. - Everybody, Andy, Avalan, clearly. - You're banking apps. - If I didn't have my banking apps, our bills would not get paid. - Okay. - All right. - Practical. - Smart and practical. All right, the winner of this relationship, Andy. - Yeah. (upbeat music) - Hey there, Gooner. Want to edge to premium point? Go to adulttime.com and use the promo code at pod. That's AT, P-O-D, for a free week of adult time. If you're 18 and over. I promise it's worth it. - You both have mentioned, I think, you know, you both have mentioned in past interviews that joining the industry did cause some friction and conflict with certain friendships or family relationships. How did you guys navigate that? 'Cause oftentimes that can be the thing that shuts everything down, right? So how did you guys manage that, you know, that those challenges and has your sense of community evolved since being part of the industry? - That's a big one to unpack. - Yeah, you wanna go with this one? - I think I can, yeah. (laughing) I think what, when we first kind of showed her face in on Twitter, - We had that conversation like this is gonna change our world. - Yeah, and she said that, she's like, "Hey, I'm looking down on the pipeline on this." And like, this is, This is gonna blow everything up. - Yeah. - And we prepared for that. Like our world's about to flip upside down. - Yeah. - And she went through all the threats that could happen. And we were in a position where financially, like we needed to take a risk. - Yeah. - This no longer for pleasure. - Yeah. - I mean, it comes with pleasure. But like. - Yeah, yeah, it was becoming the career. - Yeah. - And so it was more of a necessity type of situation. And that's kind of how it started. And once I think heard the rising and everybody-- - We didn't realize how quickly it was gonna explode. We had a friend who told us, "Oh, I've been doing this for five years. No, my family hasn't found out. You're all good." And then I'd somebody else say, "It's gonna be very fast. Be prepared." - Yeah. - And then little do we know, the maid of honor in my wedding, who hadn't spoken to in like three or four months, found out and sent all of our friends and family in my links and my photos and my videos, his workplace, his parents, you name it. - He's got docs. - Docs, she was online, putting my kids names out there. It was really rough. And it was like, it was enough to shut us down. Like we were like, "Oh my gosh." But then-- - It felt weird. Like it felt like someone was in our house. - Yeah. - Like I had to like look out the window. - Yeah, I was like, "It's scary." - Yeah. - And then the call started coming in. - No. - Like even it, you know. - Little by little. - A lot of people started. - Word. - But that's where very quickly we lost all of our friends. - Yeah. - I would say 99% of all of our friends just decided not to be our friends anymore. And then our family, there was a couple of family members that took some time to adjust. And still I think they truly don't really love it. - Yeah. - And then we started realizing who the friends we did have for who they actually were. - Yeah, who they actually were. - The good ones, the people who were like, "Oh, I'm not judging you." Like that's your marriage. I think I was worried it was gonna hurt our marriage. Which is possible. - Yeah. - There was always the people that would say they were worried about our kids. - Yes. - But then they were the ones that were perpetuating lies and all of us making it. - Yeah, the ones that, you know, like he's threatening to contact schools and like, "Hellie." - And then they did. Then they did contact the school. They did get them kicked out of school. - Yeah. - And at the same time telling us they were worried about our kids. - Well, now you're hurting them. You're not hurting us. You're hurting them. - Yeah. - And the long run them leaving that, 'cause it was a Catholic school. And just being the best thing for them, they're thriving now. We realized, wow, we were stuck in a bubble. We thought was supposed to do. And how freeing it was to get out of that bubble was actually kind of like, just a breath of fresh air. - Yeah, hard to go through, but on the other side of it, you realize it really was for the best. - It's one of those, I don't think I would go backwards. - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause there's a lot of times where you're like, like I don't have any friends anymore, really. - Yeah, yeah. - And we have a few really good friends. - Yeah. - And sometimes I'm like, I still wouldn't go backwards knowing what I know now. - Yeah, and just how quickly, literally people who grew up with some stipers just turned their back on him. When I was like, those, we thought were your friends. Turns out they're not. - Yeah. - And it's incredible what the stigma of sex were. Like how deep that stigma is, right? - Yeah, and it really will cause people to like, have such a strong aversion to somebody they've known their whole life. - And meanwhile, they're all watching each other. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Watching each other. - Yeah, yeah. - That was the biggest thing was all the people who turned their back. So please, those are the ones that I have actually witnessed them cheating on this house. And to me, I was like, the nerve. (laughing) You know, we're open on us communication with each other and this is consensual. And yet we're the ones that are being shamed for it. - Yeah. - And that was the most hurtful. I was like, man. - Yeah. - So we still navigate it. - Yeah, there's always new people finding out. I think that, you know, but within the community, the small communities, whether it's school or extracurricular for the kids. Like when that group of moms find out, then that's like the whole new. And like some moms have like wanted to call the cops on us. - Yeah. - For no, like, what are you, 'cause they were so mad when they found out. - And you know what they always say? I wish you would have told me. - That's always true. - Yeah, I'm just gonna sit you down and say, "Hey, guess what? I do porn." - It's funny 'cause of my wife's a former performer. We have two kids as well. So, you know, you always have to have that like, when do I drop the bomb? You know, like when do I tell that, you know, new that this is my-- - Yeah, our kids are friends and like, we're not hanging out with them at what point when they're saying, what do you do? - Yeah. - Do you stop being really vague? - Yeah, you can't be vague anymore. - I'm in production. - Yes, I'm in energy. - And that's what we talked about. I was like, most of the people who hurt us the most, they were upset, they didn't know. Like, they knew us all this time. - Yeah, yeah, they felt like they were alive. - They felt that they were lied to and I was like, but it's not, in my opinion, I was like, that's my personal business. I don't even share it, but to them, they were like, no, we are like this and I didn't know. - Yeah. - I think that the hurt is what made them turn on us. - Yeah, yeah. And it's, the rule of thumb that I always try to apply is, it obviously depends like you read the room. Some people you know it's gonna be cool to tell them. - Yeah, some people you're like, I might not ever even like need to tell them. - Right. - Because it's not, I always feel like once it's gotten to a point where like say we're friends with a couple that are also parents. You know, if we hung out a couple of times, if the kids are clearly friends, if like it's clear that it's gonna go towards a friend circle, better to get it out. - Better just to get it out so that if they do have a bad reaction, it's not gonna be. - Do you say like hey, by the way? - So it usually will come up where people will ask what, 'cause like I said, my wife doesn't perform anymore. - Or? - She did have, like she does have an Oli fan. She's not super active on it, but pretty much it's just been doing the stay at home mom thing for a long time. But me, I'm obviously still very active in the industry and I'm not in front of the camera, but I'm like a big, yeah, porn producer. So people will ask what I do and I'll usually say, I work in production as my first opening line. - Okay. - And then when they ask for their questions, then it, oh, I work with a lot of creators. - Okay, that's true. - It's a good segue. - It's like segue into. - But if it gets past that point, I'm just gonna be honest. - Yeah. - Well, actually, I work within the, mostly within the adult space. - Yeah. And that's, I have received, we have been very lucky where we've received way more positive, like just support. And it's funny 'cause my wife's, one of her best friends is like a full, Mormon church going, you know, like, you know, think her husband is like afraid of porn, you know? And like their best friends and like, she's super cool and her kids hang out all the time. And so like, you never, you also don't wanna like, judge back. - Absolutely. - But, you know, we, we just sort of take the route where like, if you're not gonna be cool, then we're not gonna hang out anyway. - I think now we would do that with like, new friends. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We were just so deep in the relationships. - Yeah. - It's a different thing when it's like coming out to, you know, your existence. - He said he's like, it would be easier to tell our family that he was gay. - Yeah, that's what someone would be. - And my wife said, yeah, it would be. - Yeah, yeah. - She said, like, - He's like, so you'd rather, she's like, I would. - Yeah. - And we were like, out. - Yeah. - You know. - It's gonna say that's an often heard. - Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it just, it was rough and we still navigate it. But we've been lucky enough to where I always tell him now, given time, people realize we are still the same people they've known forever. And if you give the time to adjust, and like, it's not such a bee sting. - Yeah. - They come around eventually. Like, it takes a long time, like months. But eventually they stop looking at you weird. They start forgetting that, 'cause they see you every day, like, it just doesn't add up. - Yeah, they're not defining you only by this image of you as like porn star. - Yeah, and I tell people, had someone not told you, you would never have known. - Yeah. - And they're like, good, that's a good point. If you weren't, someone would have come to me with bad intentions, I wouldn't have had those bad thoughts. - Yeah, yeah. And it's pretty shitty that people that like, doxie, like, that's just rough. - Or just, yeah, all the rumors that start, like, there's been some weird, weird, why? - Yeah, like, like, where you're just like, why? - Yeah. - And I always say, like, if I don't care, what we do is crazy. Like, in most cases, it's immoral. - Yeah. - In other people's visions, right? But just don't do negative things proactively to us and our family. - Yeah. - Don't do that. - Well, and especially since, too, like, you guys, obviously, again, you've been together. It's clearly an established committed relationship. You have a family. You clearly love each other and your family. You're like, you're living your life. You're paying your taxes. You're like being good citizens, right? Like, at the end of the day, it's just that stigma of, like, oh, because it's porn, there it's more, you know, like, it's crazy. Sex parties and, like, irresponsible behavior. And you're like, no, it's just, you know, like, it's work groceries and like, yeah, like, my work is in LA and my life is here. It's very separated. It doesn't cross paths. - Yeah, yeah. And I think that's important, too, and having that little bit of separation, too, between, like, you know, work life and then home life. And it keeps the person and the persona with a little bit of distance, which I think is an important thing for people in this industry. - Absolutely. I think that's the thing that keeps you the healthiest. - Keep me, yeah. - You don't, you don't, you can't surround yourself or fully immerse yourself on this thing. You gotta get out. - No, no, there's been plenty of people I've seen over the years where you can look at them and you just don't know if the person that's left in, inside the room, is just all the persona and that's a sad kind of a sad. - Yeah, absolutely. - I always tell them like if I'm having, if I've been working a lot, I'm like, I need a week, I'm just gonna block off my calendar. I don't wanna think, talk about, that doesn't exist for one week. I just need to like decompress. And then I'm back at it in a week and I feel healthy and my brain's going and I'm in it and I'm like, "Hornie again." And like, I just need that separation sometimes. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't need to stop. I just need, I'm in. - Yeah, you need to, you say sometimes you need to stop performing. - Yeah, right? - Yeah. - And it might not just be the sex, it's like the long nine hour day on set, right? - Oh yeah, I'm just having to be on all the time. - I'm having to be the character. I don't even open my Instagram or my Twitter, I just don't even do it. - Yeah, yeah. - And let him handle it. (upbeat music) - You've been a very, very naughty boy. Get even noddy or at adulttime.com. Sign up for a free week of adult time using promo code ATPOD. That's ATPOD as long as you're 18 plus for unlimited access to premium adult entertainment. - So what is in the future for Andy and Joey? What's on your bucket list? - Oh. - For the coming year. I just wanna keep working hard and hopefully win some cool awards. It'd be amazing. Grow and maybe just show people that you can have a beautiful, normal marriage, healthy, beautiful family and still being the sex industry, you know? And adult industry and just enjoy it. It doesn't have to be all work. It doesn't have to be all pleasure. It can be a healthy mix of both. And I wanna see him grow too. He's amazing. - Yeah. - You know, I've done it. I'm there and I love to watch his growth now too. And I'd like to see us both do something amazing. - Yeah, I mean, look, poor needs a good new power couple. - Yeah, absolutely. - And what about you, Joey? What are you looking forward to in the coming year? - Continued success. I think that especially Andy has been growing organically at a great pace. And I like the journey. Sometimes you wanna be at the top fast, but we're kind of like in the middle of the journey right now. And it's fun. - And financially it makes sense too. We're not too big to where it's taken over our lives. I think this is that golden hour that you just need to enjoy. And I wanna keep that going for another year. - Yeah. - You know, see how that goes. - Nice, nice. Well, I wish you guys the best of luck in the year. - Thank you. - And hopefully we'll get you in some good at-all time projects. - Yeah. - Since you're all right. - My favorite company. - All right, so good. That was not a pain. - It was not. - It truly is. - It truly is genuine. - Okay, so we're gonna end today with our final segment, which we call Rapid Fire. So these are clickbait questions. - Okay. (upbeat music) - So my first question is, if you two swapped bodies for a day, what would be the first thing you would do in a separate spot? - In a separate spot. - You want a weiner. - I want a weiner. - You want a weiner. - I want a weiner. - I want a weiner. - I think I would, I would, - Yeah. - Oil. - I would do that. I think I, that's the first thing I would do for a while. - Well, for a while? (laughing) - Extended amount of time. - Very good. - There could be a great scene out of that. - Right. - You know? - She's some good content. Have you two ever gotten, oh, this is, I think perhaps a, you know, an obvious one, but have you two ever gotten off to a video of yourself? Do you like to watch videos of yourselves? - Yes. - Yes. - Yeah. - I was getting one together right now for a Twitter post and I was like, just normally doing it with not even thinking about it and I was like, whoa, whoa. It was an oil scene just with you and someone else. - Well, I think I know what Joey was doing. (laughing) - He likes the oily boobs. - Oh. - What's, if you could design a sex toy, what would it do? Something different, that's not, hasn't been invented, oh boy. - It's hard 'cause the sex toy business is-- - It's pretty big. - Trailblazing. - I don't even know, I don't know. - I don't know. - No? - I don't know. - I don't either. I think I would leave that to the sex toy business. - Everything's been made I think. - Yeah. - Okay, there you go. 'Cause we're gonna leave that to the sex toy business. - Yeah, sorry. - They think the things I've never thought about. - But whatever it is, you should be able to put oil on it right now. - Yes. - As long as we're putting oil on it. - What's the most surprising non-sexual skill that you have picked up from working in the industry? - Acting. - I have learned acting. - Do you enjoy it? - I do. - I do. - I couldn't, I hate speaking in public. It gives me, makes me so nervous. And it's taught me how to not be so nervous. And yeah. - Yeah. - It's been fun. - Yeah, I know, it's stressful. - Yeah. - But I think I'm getting it. - Your own thing is, I mean, you're right. I'm there for a girl. - Tell her what kind of oil. - Oh, no, no, no. My lines are like three words. - Well, you know, like I said, you just did the right script. - So someone you get a script like within an hour. - Yeah, yeah. - I can learn this. - What about you? - My tolerance for energy drinks. - Yeah, of course. - I didn't know I could drink that many energy drinks. - Red Bull is the unofficious sponsor porn. - Yeah. - Literally, yeah. - There you go. - Let's have two or three a day. - If you could create a porn genre that doesn't exist yet, what would it be? - I guess mine would be, it's like a mixture of free use. I really like poker or anything like gambling. And I want a guy's, and we've talked about this with SheaSites husband, that we are literally legitimately playing poker, but then like a different girl that we don't choose that are there would then just come up and start doing things to you. - While you're playing. - And you have to continue playing. - Right. - And I think Reagan and Fox is on this too. - You got to pat that, yeah. - And so that's like, like I said, and there's actual money changing hands. So it's like you really have skin in the game. But you're also like what's good, you know. - And you can't really get too distracted. - Because it's free. - It's playing a game. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Exactly. - Yeah, yeah, you can't like, you necessarily, yeah, we're free to see you. - Yeah. - And it's still focused. - Exactly. - Which becomes challenging. - And when money's on the line, like. - Yeah, okay, I like that. Yeah, that's a good one. - I don't think go with that. - Yeah, that sounds amazing. - Yeah, that is a good one. - Okay, that's a full. - I like to see what makes you tick. - Default to my aunt. - I'm gonna be in the game. - Yeah, she's sorry, cast or something. - You're a fluffer. - I don't fluff. (laughing) - Okay. - That should be a good genre, sorry. - Yeah, no fluffing. - No fluffing? - Yeah. - No. - Not my favorite thing. - People act like it's a thing, so we should make it a thing. - Make it a thing, right? Let's make a fluffing on it. - Like do a big, - I know there's a lot of that. - Well, they love to be a fluffer. - They love to be a fluffer. - Right, yes. - And it's not too often that you see a guy get hard on camera. So if you did kind of a fluffing, - Mm-hmm. - See where that whole point is just to see the guy getting hard. - Yeah. - Then it could be something. - Okay, that's can be your, we'll just add that as a first honor. - Yeah, thank you. - Okay, last question. What's one kink that you didn't understand until you tried it? - Like one kink, you didn't understand until you tried it? - I think I know. - You wanna go for it? - Yeah, it was a while back. - It was sounding. - Oh, yes, sounds cool. - Oh boy. - Yeah, is that how it is? - I like it. - I like doing that. - Oh, I don't know. - Woo. - And that was, we both have done it. - Yeah. - I like it. - It's like intense. - Yeah, I was gonna say, it makes one squeamish. - Yeah. - That was like 15. - Yeah. - And for you. - Now do you like getting pissed? - Do you like get it, do you, have you ever given a fist? - No. - Without be cool. - Yeah. - I like to try that. - Right that down on your bucket list. - Yeah, that should be on your bucket list. - Giving a fist is like an achievement. - Yeah. - You're like, whoa. - I feel like it's an achievement when it comes in me. I'm like, whoa. - It's an achievement either way. - Yeah. - Maybe it feels like, as a giver, it's always an accomplishment. Where you're like, I did it. - Yeah. - Like climbing. - I did it. - You say, whoa. - You're like, whoa. - Yeah, yeah. - Like it's you're like, whoa, I can't believe that. - Yeah, I am it, right? - Yeah. - Okay, so fisting and what was the other thing that was sounding. - Sounding, that's right. Yeah, there you go. - Excellent question, excellent answers. - Love it. - Very good, I love talking to you guys. Thank you so much for coming on. - Absolutely. - Thank you for having us. - Please let everybody know where they can find you. Plug all your links. - Andiavalon.com for me. Everything is there. Instagram, Mrs. Andiavalon. Twitter. Same. I mean, X, sorry. I gotta use to that. - It's all the same. - Yeah. - And then I'm Joey Avalon X on all of the socials. - Nice. All right, and you can also find, I don't know if we've had Joey on adult time yet. Maybe we have. - I just had one release. - Sweet, all right, excellent. What was the series? - A blow pass. - Oh, a blow pass, yeah. It's okay, great. So yeah, within the gamma, the gamma, the gamma, the speed again, excellent. So you can see both Joey and Andi on adult time. Make sure to check us out. We are on social pretty much all the platforms at either adult time HQ, adult time comm, or cornup close on TikTok. And of course, adulttime.com, we are your leading streaming service for adult audiences. Thank you to the Avalons. - Thank you. - I appreciate you guys. We did it. That's our app. See you next time. - Woo! - We're not very good at this. - I gotta just need to get up to four. - Yeah, after this. (laughing) - The first place we need to enter is one question, right? Get it, stay on the line. (laughing) - And the other way. Okay, so, oh, here we go.