In the 15th episode of the Med Pods podcast series, Major Hari Krishnan, a clinical tutor at AFMC, discusses the approach to fever in clinical practice. He emphasizes the significance of a detailed history and thorough physical examination when evaluating patients with fever. Major Hari stresses the importance of identifying red flag signs to assess the severity of the patient's condition and make decisions regarding inpatient or outpatient management. The discussion covers various categories of acute fever, including undifferentiated febrile illness and localized infections, highlighting the diverse etiologies that can present challenges in diagnosis. Major Hari provides insights into specific symptoms related to different organ systems and the significance of considering travel history, drug allergies, and geographic location in the diagnostic process. Additionally, he outlines essential investigations such as complete blood count, urine examination, and imaging studies like chest X-ray and abdominal ultrasound to aid in the diagnostic workup of febrile patients.
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Welcome back to Med Pods.
From the Department of Internal Medicine at AFMC, we bring to you audio podcasts on topics
of relevance to undergraduate and postgraduate students.
In the 15th of the series of podcasts that we've done till now, today we have a conversation
with Major Hari Krishnan, clinical tutor in the Department of Medicine.
Clinical tutors are senior residents who have just recently passed out of the MD program
that runs in AFMC and the reason they are part of the faculty in the department is because
they have come out with flying colors and so has Major Hari Krishnan.
He has been the man behind the podcast that you've heard till now and today we have him
on the other side of the mic.
Welcome Hari.
We've had a lot of requests from our students to discuss topics which are common in clinical
practice where they have to encounter patients and actually deal with them and the way we
teach medicine otherwise in our academics, we often miss out on common things which is
very common in our practice and these are the kind of patients we see day in and day
out and one of the commonest symptoms that we see in patients is fever and to be a good
physician you need to know how to approach fever and I thought the best person to do
that would be Major Hari, someone who's done well for himself during his training for post
graduation and is now teaching the young students and being not just a teacher or a mentor
and he's also a great role model for them.
So welcome Hari and let's have this conversation on approach to fever for our undergraduate
and post graduate students.
I'm truly humbled for that kind introduction sir and thank you for this opportunity and
greetings to all the listeners of MedPod FMC and unprecedented initiative.
This podcast series is sure to benefit a lot of doctors for which I thank again R. H. O.
D. Brigida J. Muthukrishnan.
So then for all the E3 batches who have started this great venture of being independent doctors
now an idea of F3 batches who must be enjoying the early days of their clinical practice as
interns.
I believe this session will benefit you mostly in your OPDs and emergency duties.
In this podcast, let us always keep the image of that OPD or emergency room where you're
attending to a patient of fever and let's not learn any definition here.
Let's not learn any table or charts.
Let's just talk about fever, one of the common sign and symptoms that you encounter on a
day to day basis.
The patient came to you with an acute fever can be broadly classified into one of the
following categories.
Here she can be a case of an acute undifferentiated febrile illness which is an acute onset fever
with temperature more than 101 degree Fahrenheit for lasting more than two days and the entire
disease course lasting maybe up to 14 days.
The catch here is there should not be any organ or system specific science at onset
of illness.
The common diseases which are associated with this AUFI is malaria, dengue, n-trick fever,
chicken gunia, leptospirosis, scrap typhus, etc.
The second category of acute fever would be an acute febrile illness due to localized
infection with system specific science.
You all know these cases when you can probably classify them as respiratory tract infection,
patients of urinary tract infections, intraabdominal infections, skin and soft tissue infections.
Then you have the third category which is beyond purview of this class, which is something
known as fever of unknown origin.
So generally means you have worked up patients on an OPD or IPD basis for some, all those
obligatory tests have been done and still you are not able to make the diagnosis then
you categorize the patient as fever of unknown origin.
This we will discuss in maybe one of the future podcast.
So what is fever?
You to know understand fever is just an elevation of a body temperature above the normal circadian
ranges and this results from a change in the thermoregulatory center which is located in
our hypothalamus.
You should know this.
There are specific objective definitions which we will not touch now.
So this acute fever or that patient sitting in front of you can have that fever because
of a myriad causes.
The diverse etiologies often overlap and present a challenge to you and all of us on a day-to-day
basis.
So knowing the fever and the way to approach fever in a systematic way is extremely important
lest you miss out on very crucial things that might have helped you in making the diagnosis
and that is exactly what we are going to attempt here, a systematic approach to fever.
So the first thing is a thorough history.
Anyone can ever replace a thorough history when it comes to fever or for that matter
any disease in medicine, history can never be replaced by any of those investigations
that have come.
So a careful history which includes thorough chronology of the symptoms wherein a detailed
complaint of the patient with symptoms which have to be arranged in a chronological way
helps you.
In this you ask the patient about the pattern of the fever, the timing of the fever, the
associated complaints with fever and coming to knowing the patterns of the fever, these
patterns of the fever which you must have learned during your medicine classes, theory
classes as continuous intermittent and remittent fever had helped the doctors of the years
to come to some diagnosis.
However, with the inadvertent or unprescribed use of antibiotics, antibiotics, steroids,
etc. by the patients before they even present to you, these patterns are not as evident
in today's practice as they were in the past.
Nevertheless, knowing about them can give you some clues about the possible etiology
when combined with a thorough history and examination.
So history taking in febrile patients.
First is you take history for localizing from where the infection could be arising, what
infection the patient could be having and to start with you ask the patient for some
common respiratory symptoms like a history of sore throat, nasal discharge, then you
can ask patients for headache and pain on the face or the anterior or the forehead or
the headache pain which aggravates on bending forward, heaviness in the head etc. suggesting
a sinusitis, then you can elicit symptoms or lower tract respiratory tract like productive
cough, the patient can have breathlessness, tachypnea, etc.
Moving on to symptoms pertaining to the genitourinary system, you can ask specifically about frequency
of maturation, you can ask history of dysuria, any loin pain, any peri-euteryl discharge,
any vaginal discharge, these things suggest a possible urinary tract infection, pelvic
inflammatory disorders and sexually transmitted infections.
You can also ask history for intraabdominal infections, ask the patient about the patient
has diarrhea, if the patient has diarrhea ask if there is admix blood with the stool,
if there is presence of mucus coming with the stool, vomiting and you can ask history
of pain abdomen and these abdominal symptoms give you a hint towards a possible intraabdominal
cause for the fever which can be commonly gastrointritis, it can be any other intraabdominal sepsis and
in a long-standing patient with diarrhea and blood coming in the stool, you think of non-infectious
causes like inflammatory bowel disease, you think of a possible GI malignancy.
Now you move on to other systems like joint and soft tissue involvement, you ask the patient
if the patient has any joint pain, swelling, any limitation of movement and again skin
ends up to ask if there are any abscesses in the body, any redness involving the skin
with increased temperature, local temperature.
You also take a thorough drug history because drug fever is uncommon and therefore can easily
be missed, so the culprit drugs being commonly available to over the counter drugs like cephalosporins
can cause anti-tubricular drugs are known to cause drug fever and anticonvulsants particularly
phenytoin is known to cause a drug fever.
This history will help you localize to a particular system whenever you are taking history, apart
from these histories you should always ask for any recent surgical procedure or dental
procedure that your patient must have undergone, then you can ask history for any occupational
possible exposure to animals like brucellosis is known to be associated with exposure to
animals like mostly cattle drinking unpasteurized milk exposure to animals, this history can
help you in coming to some etiologies.
Another important history would be the geographic area of living like for India is having endemic
areas for various infections like for example the north is in part of our country is known
to have malaria then we have Bihar and the area surrounding Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal
etc.
The patient can have kalas are apart from that history of travel helps you then eating
from outside food and waterborne infection etc.
So these history points in history should always be brought out then other supporting
history points like presence of household pets then unprotected sexual practices, IV drug
abuse, prior transfusion or immunization history, drug allergy, these are things that should
be asked in history of any patient who comes to you with fever.
After a thorough history that you've taken now the next step in your management or approach
to this patient who is sitting in front of you would be to do a thorough physical examination
of this patient.
So starting with the general examination part where you start with the temperature first
you document the temperature it's not necessary that the patient might be having fever when
he is presenting to you but again make it a point to ask the patient if possible to get
the temperature recorded at home or maybe next time he has fever come to the hospital
get the temperature recorded that helps you document the presence of fever.
And then moving on to pulse, in pulse you can look for tachycardia which indicates one
of the signs of SARS and also make it a point to look for temperature pulse dissociation
also known as relative bradycardia whereby the pulse rate is slower for the expected
body temperature which can hint towards certain etiology.
Roughly for you to remember for a temperature of 102 degree Fahrenheit pulse should be around
110, 103 it's 120 for a temperature of 104, 130, 105, 140 so on so forth.
And any pulse difference which is lesser by 10 beats that means for a patient having temperature
of 10 to you if pulse rate is less than 100 then you label the patient to have a relative
bradycardia and the point is this is applicable only for an adult patient and the temperature
as well as the pulse have to be recorded the same time.
Now moving on from pulse you record the BP of the patient you see if the patient has
features of sepsis or shock and then from there you move on to respiratory rate look
for any features of respiratory distress or increased work of breathing in the form of
nasal flare you look for tachypnea and then again this indicates presence of SIRS and
also may hint towards possible involvement of the lungs and the pulmonary system.
After this general vital examination now you should make it a practice to do a thorough
head to toe examination in a patient who comes to you with fever this includes starting from
the eyes you look for any jaundice in this you can even find features like a conjunctival
pettice which may suggest a sinister disease like meningococcal meningitis jaundice suggesting
acute hepatitis then you look for in the mouth you can look for presence of for tonsillar
enlargement hyperemia of the tonsillar pillars posterior pharyngeal wall which may indicate
an acute pharyngeitis also look for presence of features of bacterial co-infection the form
of any pustule in the oral cavity you can also look for presence of candidiasis which
can indicate towards a possible immune deficiency in the patient and then you can actually do
a more focused investigation in that line may be sent for HIV testing in this patient.
Then another important aspect while looking at a patient who has fever is to look at the
skin skin helps you immensely an HR to look for an HR you have to see the patient so thoroughly
may strip the patient if required if you suspect a possible Rickettsial infection look
for an HR in hidden areas like the groin between the toes then the anal cleft and in the groin
it HR can be hidden by the pubic hair so make sure you're looking for the HR is very thorough
and make a note of the same in your in your case sheet or maybe the OPD book which will
help subsequent doctors to make their decisions from here on other than the HR also look for
other rash may be an arithmetic rash on the body which easily blanches on pressure gives
you a clue that the possibly patient might be having a possible viral infection measles
if it is company by features of upper respiratory tract infection conjunctivitis even any common
viral infections can be associated with a blanchable erudima a perpuric or a particular
rash which do not blanch on pressure can point towards possibilities of vasculitis again patients
with many gococcal septicine but these patients will be more sick then your diagnosis will
vary based on the general status and other supporting symptoms of this patients also
if you find a vesicular rash it may be caused by chickenpox a common infection in our country
then looking for enlarged lymph nodes another important aspect of evaluating or approaching
a patient of fever lymph nodes can be enlarged in systemic infections any hematolymphoid malignancy
chronic infections like HIV, TB etc. so make it point to not miss this part of examination
it should have come as a habit that any patient coming to your with fever you do examine that
patients for their presence of any lymphadenopathy also have a look at their joints look for any
redness or any swelling in the large joints any local rise of temperature you do not want
to miss out on and septic arthritis but again in such cases the patient will have specific
symptoms which can help you identify these conditions.
Now coming to specific systems in the abdomen looks for any tendon as any free fluid and
see liver abscess, cholangitis, cholecystitis etc. can be causes of fever and never ever
send back your patient without palpating the abdomen as a liver abscess can be easily
missed patient can have non-specific symptoms like fever with myalgia with reduced appetite
easily tend to think in lines of maybe a possible viral infection also since it's easy to miss
if you make this as a habit that you will definitely go and touch the patient's abdomen
before you send back your chances of picking a liver abscess increase and you can manage
your patient better then in the chest you look for a science of consolidation where you look
for a bronchial breath sound you can look for a presence of crackles and absent breath
sound can indicate a pleural effusion fresh onset cardiac murmur can be indicating endocarditis
or maybe an acute rheumatic fever and after this another part of clinical examination
which we almost always miss out and this is the per rectal examination very crucial part
of investigation a patient of fever and generally I would suggest you go ahead and do a peractal
examination if you were not able to find any localizing sign or symptoms in the patient
and then you do a peractal examination to look for a perineal abscess or maybe an acute
prostatitis and so these components of examination which on a busy OPD tend to get missed I would
recommend you to start bringing this to your practice so that you don't miss out a potential
killer once you've done this thorough examination of your patient now the third step in your
approach to your patient with fever would be you assess the severity and since you now
have the general outlook about this patient look for the red flags this helps you to decide
urgency of management and an important decision of inpatient vessels outpatient management
of a patient few red flag signs that you should remember is severe prostration of your patient
that is the patient is unable to stand sit his severe patient has that sick look and
needs support to walk that's severe prostration please admit such patients don't send them
back then temperature say hyperpyrexia indicates hyperpyrexia presence of rigour indicates
possible again bacterial infection severe bacterial sepsis you should not be sending
such patients back respiration in any patient who is testing who stack ethnic more than
respiratory rate of 22 per minute has sinosis has a dip in saturation SPO2 less than 92%
in rumour and then you have systolic BP less than 100 the extremities are cold with increase
capillary free time in neurological examination you find that the patient has an altered mental
status history of convulsions you find positive meningal signs then in abdomen the patient
has persistent vomiting a severe abdominal pain which is disproportionate to your clinical
finding then any rash any purpura etc please admit such patients now that you have taken
a detailed history and have thoroughly examined your patient based on the clinical clues that
you got from it time for you to write some investigations for your patient for the preliminary
investigations you should be focusing on include a complete blood count in CBC you should look
at individual parameters which can give certain clues like for example anemia can be seen
in complicated malaria increasing hematocrit can be seen in severe dengue leukocytosis indicate
bacterial infection and should be augmented using a peripheral blood smear examination
in PBS supposed to look for a presence of toxic granules toxic vacuoles left shift band
forms all indicating features of sepsis next is leukopenia which can be seen in early phases
of dengue and also other viral infections lymphocytosis is seen in viral infections and may be seen
in rickettsial infections also eosinophilia can indicate parasitic infection like pylaryasis
coming to platelets thrombocytopenia may be seen in many acute undifferentiated febrile
illnesses with very little discriminatory value but with other clinical features it may point
to a specific etiologist like for example thrombocytopenia with splenomegaly can be
seen in patients of malaria thrombocytopenia with bleeding manifestation can be seen in
patients of dengue and other viral hemorrhage fevers next is urine examination which can
provide valuable information other than UTI it can also help in diagnosing malaria where
patient can have hemoglobinuria, leptospirosis where patient can have proteinuria, hematuria
etc. sexually active lady coming to you with urinary tract symptoms you may omit to send
urine examination unless the patient is pregnant another important aspect is UTI in elderly
where you won't find the classical symptoms therefore an elderly patient presenting to
you with fever with no evident localization or has severe disease you should always send
urine routine and culture biochemistry which include liver function test renal function
test should only be performed in severely ill patient or patients with possible organ
involvement hepatorenal involvement is common with tropical infections left scrub and leptospirosis
a history of pre-ictric fever with elevated liver enzymes could indicate a viral hepatitis
a common disease in our country coming to imaging performing a chest X-ray in all severe
patients or patients having tachypnea, tisnea, cough or other features of pluripalmin to
involvement should be thought in chest X-ray look for non-homogeneous opacities plural
effusion and medecine lymphadenopathy an ultrasound of the abdomen is to be ordered for a patient
who has jaundice abdominal pain or maybe a patient who has present to you in shock here
you look for hepatic abscess, plenic abscesses, cholecystitis, features of pancreatitis you
can look for lymphadenopathy features of cholangitis, acitis, presence of pleural effusion etc.
It's important to remember that biochemical and radiological investigation should not
be a norm in your assessment of patient with fever and should only be case based.
An additional point pertaining to a patient who gave you history of high risk behavior
IV drug abuse, commercial sex workers, unsafe tattooing, generalized lymphadenopathy on examination
go ahead and ask for an HIV test in such patients.
After all this it's time to treat the patient and when you have a patient of fever your
treatment should mainly focus on supportive measures and treating the underlying cause
and supportive treatment should focus on relieving the patient of the distressing symptoms.
For this you should prescribe tepid sponging antipyretics and speaking of antipyretics
ideally you should be prescribing it on an SOS basis because if patient is on specific
treatment like for example antibiotic for a bacterial infection.
It is important that you give SOS basis antipyretics because the presence of fever, the frequency
of fever that the patient has everything helps us in knowing if the patient is responding
to a treatment or not.
And again if you suspect a bacterial infection in a patient before you start antibiotics should
always send cultures of appropriate samples before you start antibiotics empirically and
then maybe change over to culture specific antibiotics once you get the culture reports.
The antibiotics may have to be stopped or maybe change subsequently if no bacterial infection
could be proved and the patient has improved and patient or it has to be changed to a better
antibiotic with better coverage if the patient has shown no improvement with the empirical
drugs that you have given.
Having said that it is important to remember that antibiotics should never be a norm and
treating a patient with fever.
By now you have done your job the possible outcomes in your patient can be either your
patient have recovered spontaneously which might suggest a possible etiology of viral
illness that your patient might have had then you might have actually found the diagnosis
of the patient and started the patient on definitive management.
And third possibility is that the patient has not improved and the fever and the disease
persists is then and if the disease has lasted for more than three weeks now you can label
your patient as a case of piracy of unknown origin or fever of unknown origin and feel
free to refer the patient to higher centers if you haven't already referred the patient
for a severe disease or the patient had specific diagnosis for which you needed an expert advice.
This part is for the undergraduates and medical officers for the medicine residents.
This is where our job should start unless you have already treated the patient or started
the treatment for maybe a severe disease.
Before I close this session I would like to give a few do's and do's or maybe take away
a point from this session one is that antibiotics should never be prescribed during strong suspicion
of viral fever and it is important to draw two sets of blood cultures before the start
of empiric antibiotic therapy.
Start antibiotics for a presumed bacterial infection promptly but adjust the dosage
and duration switch or end antibiotic therapy when result do not support or justify the
need to continue.
Check the situation within 48 hours based on test results and patient status.
Supportive therapy with paracetamol is advisable along with rapid sponging and adequate hydration
of the patient.
If orally tolerating ask the patient to drink plenty of oral fluids and if not consider
giving intravenous or parenteral fluid high fluids to the patient.
It is very important to avoid indiscriminate use of antibiotic agents, non-stored, anti-interpremented
drugs or maybe seen in practice patients are also exposed to steroids when no diagnosis
is reached.
So these are the things that you should keep in your mind when you are approaching a patient
of fever.
And I would like to conclude the session by once again thanking Brigade J. Muthukishan
for this opportunity and from all the listeners I am looking forward for your valuable feedbacks
and will be extremely happy to hear back from you all.
Thank you.
Thank you Hari.
I think that was a very simplified and extremely practical approach to fever that you have
discussed today and I am sure the students will benefit a great deal and more than the
students who are right now in college I feel it is those students who have recently passed
out and are now working as interns or medical officers in various hospitals who will benefit
a great deal because I am sure while they are doing their duties in the hospital they
are frequently seeing such patients who are coming to them with fever and to approach
this very common problem properly can ensure that we can deliver at the very effective
healthcare that is required in practice and often diagnose conditions which we if we delay
may be detrimental to our patients.
So thank you very much for sparing your time and I am glad that we have started this new
concept of bringing young teachers and role models into our podcast.
Thank you.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Major Hari Krishnan, a clinical tutor, discusses the approach to fever in clinical practice.
Importance of thorough history and physical examination in evaluating febrile patients.
Red flag signs for assessing the severity of the patient's condition and determining the need for urgent management.
Summary:
In the 15th episode of the Med Pods podcast series, Major Hari Krishnan, a clinical tutor at AFMC, discusses the approach to fever in clinical practice. He emphasizes the significance of a detailed history and thorough physical examination when evaluating patients with fever. Major Hari stresses the importance of identifying red flag signs to assess the severity of the patient's condition and make decisions regarding inpatient or outpatient management.
The discussion covers various categories of acute fever, including undifferentiated febrile illness and localized infections, highlighting the diverse etiologies that can present challenges in diagnosis. Major Hari provides insights into specific symptoms related to different organ systems and the significance of considering travel history, drug allergies, and geographic location in the diagnostic process. Additionally, he outlines essential investigations such as complete blood count, urine examination, and imaging studies like chest X-ray and abdominal ultrasound to aid in the diagnostic workup of febrile patients.
FAQs
Understanding fever is crucial as it is a common symptom with diverse causes, requiring a systematic approach for accurate diagnosis.
Physicians should start with a thorough history and physical examination to assess the severity and look for red flags indicating urgent management.
Acute febrile illnesses can be classified into undifferentiated febrile illness, localized infection with system-specific signs, and fever of unknown origin.
History-taking should focus on localizing possible infections, identifying common symptoms related to different body systems, and inquiring about recent exposures or geographical factors.
Initial investigations may include a complete blood count, urine examination, biochemistry tests, and imaging like chest X-ray or abdominal ultrasound based on clinical findings.
Assessing severity and identifying red flags help in determining the urgency of management, whether the patient needs inpatient care, and guiding further investigations.
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