Aly & AJ: Disney & Dating Disasters (FBF)

what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy ally and aj welcome to call her daddy thank you you guys the last time we saw each other was we were hanging out backstage at my tour and you were the loveliest people and i always have these moments because i'm like i watched you guys growing up obviously i love you guys your music all of it but meeting you guys in person was so fun to be like oh my god you guys are like normal girls and we're all just hanging out so I'm so happy we're finally doing the same same so happy to be here so happy to be here okay if you guys are not like touring if you're not working if you don't have all the chaos of your life what is your most fun thing that you guys usually like to do together we're big like spa people and we kind of have been since we were young like we were like hanging out in a spa at like 10 and 12 and we were just loving it and our parents would be like I don't know they just like love hot dry saunas and getting massages oh I love this for you so like bougie kids so spa spa yeah you're going to the spa if you have a day off you're going to the spa yeah that's our number one that's our number one that or like I mean literally it's like a movie like just on AJ's couch just like ordering in yeah how like often do you guys hang out all the time yeah all the time like every day well no because now that she's a mom yeah uh-huh so now that she's a mom it's not every day and also we don't live down the street from each other we literally used to live I'm not even kidding you like me in my car minutes from each other driving to AJ's four minutes I could walk to her house in like 20 we how far now now I'm like an hour and a half what yeah I know what happened yeah well she had a kid I had a kid yeah she's like bye bye AJ well like really we moved for like to be closer to my mom my mom lives out in San Ynez so we were like okay if we're closer to her that will help with you know just like yeah child care or whatever of course and then having more space because the house that we live in in that we lived in in the canyon that we ended up renting out is like a super cool pad but it's more like it's for a couple it's not really for a kid so we we ended up renting a place that just had more space like so we kind of were just like we'll see but we still it's only an hour and a half I visit like every weekend yes but would you ever move I love Santa Barbara okay you're I'd move there in a second okay okay okay that makes me feel good I really would I'm not ready yet I really love where I am yeah but I think down the road I would I absolutely would and I think it's a beautiful place to raise a son do you guys play the typical like older younger sister roles do you feel like or is there anything that you're like I don't act like a younger sister an older sister in this way I think they were swapped when we were younger oh really yeah that's kind of younger sister and she was like older sisters and then it switched like we always joke how when I was young I was very shy and really shy I would have her just kind of you were like my translator yes she would like nudge me it's like and I'd be like she wants a turkey sub no um cheese and no mustard no mustard whatever and it was like literally I would speak for her she like knew it was very strange oh my god you got out of that though I got out of it and then I think it swapped to being like okay now you don't translate for me but yeah no no you're like girl you never did never but I think what's interesting is like obviously you guys then like at a pretty young age got into the spotlight so like you don't would be shy that then gets into like this industry when Disney entered the conversation were your parents at all like this is like too much they ever try to talk you guys out of it no at that point we were fully in like a SAG card in hand doing commercials well not you me not me because I got my first gig was still the future yeah yeah so like I didn't even have like I mean I knew the basics of like this is a mark and stuff but I learned like everything on that set oh my god wait your first gig was filled with future yeah that was that's like kind of the biggest flex ever wait what yeah it's funny yeah when you guys like I obviously was thinking before I like sat down with you I'm like when you look back at that era you think about like you think about you guys you think about Demi you think about Miley you think about Selena you think about the Jonas Brothers like when you were in the era that you were in because it shaped so much of our childhood I feel like did you guys realize it was that iconic in the moment or did it literally just feel like work I think once Calabelle's hit we knew yeah and I feel like when the music started happening on the channel and that was happening simultaneously with Phil I think that's when we were like oh this is really like clicking with people and I do remember going to I I don't know I think were we with Hollywood Records at the time I don't know I don't think so what if they signed a season two of the show it was season two but I think season one of Phil the future had been out so no we weren't signed yet with Hollywood but for whatever reason we were invited to I think the forum or something oh my god oh yeah and I think you were with me yeah and I I got mobbed at this concert and I was like yeah because season one it aired it was weird it was like the first real time I remember being like oh like people know me from this show and then it was just you know after that it was still very we had a very normal life but I just remember being like oh people are stopping me because of this tv show oh my god I've Hillary Duff concert like take me back oh my god because I was gonna ask like how your life changed with Phil the future because I feel like that was a very very very big moment and I feel like some shows popped some shows didn't that one I like feel like I watched every freaking episode and it was so good thank you it did pop but like we only did two seasons which people kind of forget what yes that's it that's it I know it's a travesty and then it got canceled wait but how many episodes were in a season 22 I think okay that's also so different like these days it's like sure episodes yeah yeah okay but 20 that's still a lot of episodes wait yeah so it's only two is this the unwell water no that's water that's real water you can then this is the unwell drink yeah you can try it okay I'm trying it give it a go it's good it's yummy yeah yeah it's yummy it's basically like a better ideally version of like pedialyte and Gatorade like that's really good it's good right it's not sweet it's not oh my god I did so many you don't have to tone it down with water like Gatorade the mango was my oh in college when I would play soccer I would have to literally dilute it and I would do like half Gatorade half water yeah my favorite currently is the mango that you're currently holding and this one is what orange hibiscus oh that is good it's good right I think I think the mango is maybe the mango is the best my favorite it's my favorite currently this is orange hibiscus I like the mango yeah it's great um okay so back to because I was thank you so much because I was thinking about you guys and like now that I'm like a businesswoman and obviously like you guys can share what you want but I was thinking about you guys and I'm like you were so young and you guys looked like you were at the top of the world but like when you look back financially did you feel like as kids you were compensated correctly I don't know if that's like a fair thing to say that's interesting um I don't think we would have known anything to compare it to yeah I don't think it's crazy when you have a job that young of course and in a strange way like any money that you're making of course seems like great but like I made like seven thousand dollars right per episode on yeah that's not good that ain't nothing like do you know what I mean yeah that is interesting like because I don't know what that would equate to today but like true right but I guess for a kid's show you're kind of like that's great that could go into their college fund like and how did you guys handle it with your parents because obviously I remember we were standing in the hallway of my tour and I looked at you guys normal and you guys are like so lovely I feel like you guys like my girlfriends from back home and the unfortunate side of the industry I feel like we've all seen is like so many of these kids whether it was like the parents were abusing the power and taking money the parents were forcing the kids saw it all the time the parents didn't help the kids so they were just kind of by themselves on set like they're just like dropped off and left with the teacher right yeah what attributed to you guys staying so grounded throughout this whole process well I can tell you we weren't the boss of our household that's for sure like just because we were working didn't did not put us at the top like we were the kids yeah um and then second like our parents were very very clear about like yeah you can go to this event you can promote this project but like you're not going to go to like some late after party with a bunch of adults when you guys are underage like I just feel like when you're younger you can kind of get away if you're in the industry but just rolling into every situation yes and you're like a little mini adult even though you really shouldn't be it's not really the time and place for that time in your life like you just shouldn't be at those kind of things at that age like a you know what I mean yeah I feel like our parents were very they were pretty strict and like our mom was on set with us like amazing if she needed to be somewhere for you and I was like on set she would be gone to like get you to the audition and then would be like straight back on set you know that I feel like that's like the biggest key that when kids come out now it's like there's this like missing element which was kind of like the parental figures yes and like to give the parental opportunity to people that weren't the actual parents totally they are just looking at these kids like they're cash cows and really your own parent hopefully would be the one to be like no no no I need to have some guidelines for my kids right is it true that you were going to possibly be Hannah Montana I mean yeah I I mean it's funny like she had the offer I had the offer and it was Phil hadn't ended at that point it was like they knew that Phil I think was on the way out or it told us like you know we might not be doing a third season and and Gary who you know was the head of of the channel Gary Marsh at the time and Rich um yeah was like this pilot has come in and we think that you're really perfect for it um and I just remember reading it and being like wait but I'm doing music as Allie and this might be really confusing being Hannah and and being the character also playing Hannah there would be three of you it would be very confusing and I was like you know how does AJ relate to this and then they they I mean they literally said well then AJ could play the best friend part Lily Lily I think yeah so they were like why don't you have and I was like but it feels like it's my show it's not really like right Hannah and Lily show um and I think at that point too I was probably like close to being maybe 17 at that point um which is funny too because like we weren't on the channel for that long like I I booked Phil at 13 and then by the time it was over I was like you know whatever 16 and a half or something so I was like almost 17 I think when that was offered and I just remember thinking like I've kind of done what I wanted to do here on the channel you know what I mean in a way we've done cowbells the music music had aired a lot yeah on Disney channel cowbell I guess cowbells we were just starting to like dive into yeah exactly yeah I did you're right I mean I obviously like uh that was meant to be for Miley but that's so interesting how like those pivotal moments obviously like everyone was kind of up for certain roles that like it would have looked so different with you guys in that position versus her obviously um okay is it true AJ that you had your first kiss with Jo Jonas yes it's true in a bowling bring up all the old stuff I know I'm like we gotta go through it we gotta go through in a bowling alley it was so innocent we a bowling alley it was sweet that's so cute and did you guys like date for a long time we dated for a while I don't um I mean for like a young relationship like over a year is pretty good a year and a half something like that that's pretty solid that's a really long time yeah I feel like I was so curious like all of you guys were on such different shows but like this was kind of your high school experience yeah so like how did you guys all hang out and like meet on different shows like what was the social dynamic like we met on tour so the Jonas Brothers opened for us and that's when we started like there was like a spark and I was like oh this would be fun like we started dating on that trying to make like something happen with like me and Kevin Kevin and I was like it's not really vibing and then I mean bless but like yeah and then it was like no maybe you can like date the bass player Greg and I was like no it's still not vibing and I mean like again bless him too but of course but it just wasn't I was like no you can't it was a natural we were all buddies of course we were and it was a really fun tour um but I think beyond that so like for me it's like we were homeschooled our whole lives we didn't experience school dances we didn't but instead we had tour like at a really young age like to me I wouldn't trade yeah I wouldn't trade any of it because I'm like our experiences on the road were so cool and it's actually why I love touring as an adult yeah because I think it was ingrained in me at a young age that it was a really cool opportunity to have this moment to connect with your fans it's not jarred to like go on the road and I love it it's very natural like I think some people dive in as an adult and they're like I don't want to be on the road and we're like we love it bring it on but you're like this is all we ever know yeah yeah it's weird so anyway I wouldn't yeah there's nothing I would really trade back I just know no that's an amazing answer okay did you secretly date your phil of the future co-star for six years no no wait who said that that's funny is this like a thing on rumors online that you secretly dated phil of the future co-star for six years literally can attest never even kissed you guys didn't even it was always a friendship now although I remember like he's also older than you well and in that that age range felt huge like I was 13 and I think he was 16 I think and that is huge that's a big gap yeah but I remember during the test like when I tested for phil the future and I saw that he was the other boy that was up for I was like he's really cute yeah and then of course you meet them and then you're like oh now we're just buddies and like we actually became really good friends with his girlfriend during that show like he was dating yeah that is true yeah sweet yeah so no no no um okay we're clearing up all the rumors that is so funny years and years later okay um obviously we know disney was like very strict now that like everyone kind of like knows the deal were you able to experiment at all like normal teenagers like have your first drink and like go to parties at all or no yeah yeah for sure you did yeah I think we had a healthy like teenage life yeah but we were like not party girls like for whatever that's worth I think the channel got very lucky having us yeah I mean we should have been on for like 15 years because they would have been on for like 15 years because they would have been on for been like they're good we don't need to be worried no it's true going like yeah for whatever reason we just were not like rebellious types both of us and I think maybe part of it was because we had each other yeah so it was like we didn't have to act out and prove ourself yeah like our parents or it was just kind of nice yeah no you're right I don't even know what it is it's like luck I feel maybe it's just luck but also like Ali and I this sounds kind of ridiculous but when we got a little older but we weren't quite like drinking age yeah people like kind of in LA started like trusting us as the girls that would, like, go into Ledoux but not get hammered. They're like, let them in. They can have a, like, let me know if you're fully underage. Like, we knew some of the bouncers, and they would just, like, mark our hand, and they'd be like, we trust you, come on. They're like, give them some Red Bull. I'm not kidding. And, like, they're fine. Like, they're never going to be a liability. No, like, truly. And we kind of, I mean, and that was during the height of all of those girls, you know, where you see everybody coming out of the club messed up. But, like, we were just fine. We were like, hi. Hi, we'll just be, like, no problem in the corner. And it's not being, like, a kiss-ass. It was just, like, who we were. Who we were. Which I think is. Which I think then made people be like, oh, my gosh, you're so darling. The Meshaka girls. Like, they're just harmless. Sweet. Yeah. That is pretty funny. Everyone knows you guys as Allie and AJ, right? Like, everyone, it's Allie and AJ. It's Allie and AJ. Have you guys ever resented that package deal concept? No, I think we've always. Like, the duo aspect of it? No, we've never resented that. I think the only thing that maybe we've been like, gosh, I wish we had had, like, a different band name. We just didn't think it was cool. We didn't think it was cool. Like, as kids, we were like, why did we do the Allie and AJ thing? Because now it's just like. It's like, what's our names? Yeah, it's very memorable. But no, the duo thing didn't bug us. It didn't. No, no. Like, when you guys were growing up at all, obviously taking different projects. And if, like, one was having more success than the other at a time. Like, how did you guys handle that as sisters? Because I have a sister, and I don't care what we're doing. Like, we were competitive. We were competitive. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, like, we are always supportive of each other. But I do. feel like naturally there can be moments where it's like oh like you're getting the better parts or you're getting the better roles or like did you ever have moments where you had to like sit down and be like let's talk this out I think the only time where we felt like okay we're getting um asked to go out for the same roles and we feel really strongly that one of us is really right for this and would you mind standing down like I think there were a couple times we both got the same audition or but usually one of us would come to the other and be like I'm really not ready for this you should just go out for this and I'm just gonna and the other one wouldn't like that's happened before where we're like we've just like said okay fine you go for it like by the way it would never be but it would never be down to the two of us acting is so different yeah I think our ages our looks our energy like but we did get asked sometimes to go to the same audition and I think some of that was just because of like I don't know some some parts kind of would overlap yeah it's like you know 20 to 22 to 25 and we're like yeah but there was never a role specifically where I was like wow I really wish that had been me and like I kind of bummed it was out like never like for me it was like I thought it was so cool that she was like an easy a and hell cats and like she's done great work and it always felt like it should be Allie you know I mean that's and I always want to be her over anyone else so if I'm not gonna book it right I'd rather than be a family you know no that's such like a healthy way to look at it because anyone that has a sister I'm like I want my sister twin always and I think there's you're right there's like a natural also like aside from also very protective of your sibling being like I want her to do the best but I also think it's very like healthy that you guys are able to have that because I'm not in the same industry as my sister like I can't imagine at some capacity you guys are intertwined and there is a slight competition in light moments that but that's kind of healthy that you guys are like we didn't feel it that much no no and like if anything where it was I mean I guess you could call it competitive it would be like if we like the same guy oh yeah let's talk about that yeah that would happen every once in a while you guys had the same taste growing up yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah similar right yeah similar I would say yeah our tastes were very similar yeah look you guys adjusting now you're like I know I know adjusting wait stop so you guys at one point would like have a crush and how would you handle it well neither of us would get that guy yeah it was just like yeah neither of us yeah it would just be like we both liked him and both of us failed or like I remember this is funny that you asked us we were making a record in New York one that never ended up coming out and um we we have 10 of those yeah no just one but you're like one day maybe they'll come out yeah two um and we were we were feeling very cool that you were like you know living in New York for like a month no parents you know I don't know at this point we were like 21 and 22 and 20 right um and every night we were really obsessed with wanting to go out to all of these restaurants in New York we're like sometimes it didn't make sense where it's like girl that's way on the other side of town that's a 30 minute Los Angeles and you don't know shit love so you'll be like okay we're going to catch or whatever and we went to this one restaurant called Revel I don't know why I remember that how do you remember still around um and there was a cute guy that was our waiter and I left my number for him on the bill and I told AJ and she was like what I was pissed and she left the restaurant she was like I was like he was cute and she's like I know I left my number and I was like what like you mean I could have and I didn't like and almost like judging me that I had done that you know and like put my like put my neck out so dumb but obviously this guy never texted rude so you never called so right so then competitive because I don't need to worry you either we I'm upset and did you guys ever ever ever hook up with the same person at any point in your lives like overlap of like years later you met up with someone say like same kiss or yeah no no no there's been a couple like close calls yeah where was like i liked that guy kind of and then it was like oh no like aj and him are kind of dating and then it would be like over after or there was a moment where i like tested for something and the leading guy i thought was really cool and then ally actually ended up dating him later yeah yeah but it wasn't like i was also with him no no there's never been an actual crossover no thank god i mean that would be kind of weird we're so in matching each other's lives already i know it's like you're literally like one in that concept like when i talk about because my sister's four years older than me and we've never dated the same guy yeah but even you talk about it incessantly with each other like when you start dating yeah obviously so it's like i couldn't go to her if i knew that she liked the guy that i was right she knows all the inside how do you detail it out she's like i know i experienced all of it with a friend because with a family member i would be like katherine you need to get over it because i need to tell you everything she'd be like okay he was cute but now i'm over okay go tell me everything yeah she did one time help like literally held my hand while i broke up with a guy over the phone i'm not kidding you she was like i do you remember that it was in calabasas you were like i did i'm like on the phone with him being like i really don't this isn't right like i and i'm like you got it no that is like little that's also so i mean that just brought me back to that bedroom is that funny calabasas calabasas yeah no yes we were calabasas kids i know before i roll way before it was cool love that for you guys when it was a johnny rockets you know i mean like we're that far back i love that for you we breaking up with someone is the worst feeling the worst it's sickening it's so hard it's actually sick but that's why i like people whenever i'm like it's there's nothing better than having a sister and it's i feel for my friends that are like i never had a sister i don't know what it's like it's like it's a friendship on steroids yes you are literally going to kill for her it's different than a brother completely it's actually almost a diss to call it a friendship it's like no this is living on another level that's a great point it's like an extension of yourself yes yes it's so fun hearing you guys talk about your dynamic together and obviously so much of what you're writing also goes into like love and your life and your family and yeah but potential breakup song i just have to ask the one question because i think it's like i saw tiktok we're gonna we have to make this tiktok and it's someone being like you guys remember when those two sisters walked into the studio and they really said this like it's to this day still such an anthem what inspired that song no you're not not a real not a real person like it's actually the most like it's the most anti-climactic there's no real person i need to pause you guys because the way you both just pause i thought i was about to get like yeah no i'm sorry record scratch it doesn't exist it doesn't okay tell me though i think we just were like what if there was a guy that was such a like i mean at this point we were 18 and maybe younger 17 and 15 writing this song which we had but like at this point we had probably each had you would have probably two boyfriends i'd barely had one boyfriend because i was behind she was behind behind her okay so like i'm like she was behind she was still a lot of still a lot of the songs were like living in a dream world of what we thought a relationship was like because we were still really young yeah so to us it was like what if this guy was like so terrible that he didn't call you on your birthday and that you begged him to get your stuff back and he like wouldn't give it back and then you just had to deliver it in a box at your house literally that's like it's that it's literally like you two sitting on your bed together being like genius let's let's go but what's funny though is that no guy drive i do remember we were young we were young enough that we couldn't drive driving since there is no story behind it tell me both of your like most brutal breakups we've got a lot of girlies that listen how did you get through it what was your most like brutal breakup and how you got through it obviously like we're not naming names but just like the concept like have either of you ever been through it or have you ever been through it been cheated on i mean you age you go first yeah i was cheated on how did i found out the guy was like hooking up with our really good friend at the time no how did you find it like blew up the friendship and the relationship yeah i don't even know how it came out but it happened in the calabasas commons parking lot stop yeah and it was like it was and we were young so it was like obviously it hits hard no matter what age you are when you feel like wow i've been completely but this was like a friendship this was like a friendship a girl friendship that was was basically the breakup it wasn't like the guy if that makes sense it was like we had found out some stuff about her that made us feel like we didn't really know who she was and we have been friends with her for like a long time and that was truly the the worst breakup and it was a girlfriend break yeah that's now and then we meant it like we're okay now yeah like if we see her at a band or whatever we'd like we'll dm and stuff but we don't like hang actively which is kind of sad because it was a big part of our childhood but like that is so that was the guy that guy was like didn't even matter right you're like it's just the concept of what happened with the girl or the guy that's always the worst when like understandably people are like don't blame the girl blame the guy and it's like no no for sure but if you were almost closer with the girl than the guy that you were dating yes that's where it's like how do you recover from those moments and then it gives you like full trust issues because you're like how did i not know that and you could like hold my hand while i'm crying over this and little do i know i'm crying because of you yeah that's sick okay ali go um okay i'm trying to think gosh worst um you haven't been cheated on i haven't been cheated on that's nice which is actually good that is for you that's good i know that's beautiful that's good that's good i don't know i don't know what that's all clap for that um no trauma um yeah no trauma um i i'm trying to think of hmm i mean i've had guys i've i've had more guys probably break up with me than me break up with them okay so i've been broken up with probably quite a bit have you been blindsided by the breakups i mean i feel like i was blindsided many times yeah like not many but yeah but but a lot of times i've been blindsided by the breakups a lot of them it was like you know i was being broken up with because this person was like a professional athlete and was like i need to work on my job and like you're a distraction i'm like i need to work on a tour bus right now you're a distraction i need to work on my job yeah i know like ridiculous do you know where you're sitting in a direct quote no no that is the best direct quote i've ever heard a professional athlete telling you i have to work on my job we you know that i talk a lot about that yes yes we how long did you date it wasn't that long but it was very like um it was like a solid year maybe maybe a little i don't even know what sport hockey football football i remember being really heartbroken by that now i'm looking back on it being like no but to any of the girls that are like i feel like around new year a lot of people end relationships because i feel like everyone's like oh my gosh like i want to start fresh i want to kick this person to the curb or i want to like try something different like do you have any advice when you look back at those relationships when people ended things with you as hard as it was in the moment now when you look back like give us some advice of how to get through those horrible blindsiding moments honestly like having a couple really solid guy friends was really helpful like i would talk to them about this and they'd be like this guy's a total loser like absolutely not and and you know of course you could say that they want to get with you but these were like truly platonic even if they do okay but they were platonic relationships that were really like i would yeah i would be on the phone like talking to dan yeah i knew you were gonna be like i can't believe this and he'd be like this is an absolute sign that this guy is not right for you and like he was only in it because he just wanted to like sleep with you and be done and over and you're like thank you dan thank you yeah let's hook up no i'm just kidding yeah totally um okay daddy gang needs some advice and i feel like all i'm getting from this entire episode is you guys are very wise and you've always been wise and you've always been like little yodas no literally like you guys no but actually you guys have been like people would let you into the club because they're like ali and aj are gonna keep it real you guys didn't lose yourself to fame you didn't you guys have like seemingly like very normal lives and you're still so successful and you're still in the spotlight so we need your advice okay okay you want to end a friendship where you've been drifting apart do you have a breakup conversation with your friend or do you let it die out i've done both i've had more if i'm being honest i've had a couple die outs not conversations where it's just kind of like you kind of stop texting and then it's like they also do yeah and it's like you kind of are like we both know this isn't right yeah just kind of a form of ghosting it's not great i think you should have the conversation when you have the conversation bigger to do that do you think those were more extreme moments like did something yes it can make it too big of a deal but but it was usually because it was based on something that happened that i was like i can't really not see this now and it's here and let's talk about it and this is why i can't go forward as a friend but i think that's good advice it's like you kind of have to gauge where you're at if it's just like you never really see each other anymore but you have this like weight over you and they're not being that great to you you can maybe let it simmer yeah to me some some things don't need like a spotlight true sometimes sometimes it's not like this big huge fight sometimes it's like i'm seeing some things about your lifestyle that doesn't gel with mine or yes or that you know i don't know you weren't there for me in these moments that i needed you and i'm like i'm not and it's kind of like showing your true colors and that's okay we just part our own ways yeah that's like sometimes that's part of just growing up and being a girl i think that's what's like been so eye-opening as i've gotten older like growing apart from friendships is so sad and it's like horrible to look back at like some of my like high school friends that i'm not as close with anymore whatever or just also like recognizing like we really grew up and we are different or like we live our lives differently and that doesn't mean they're a bad person you're just like it doesn't mesh anymore but it sad when a part of your childhood in that way kind of dies you're like wait i just said bye to a friend in a way that i know i'm not really going to connect with again and i think it's like sometimes yes sometimes those are harder than actual breakups with men sometimes where you're like shit that hurt but I think that's a good like bit of advice is like you can do both but I think don't actively seek out a conversation if the person's gonna be like wait what are you talking about if something happens absolutely address it yes but you can also like let something simmer if that's like the natural course of where it was gonna go anyways yeah and it says a lot if both sides aren't really reaching out then it's like the natural course was for it to fizzle period that says everything in a way okay you find out you were accidentally the other woman do you reach out to her or do you stay out of it I'm the type that would reach out yeah we're both breathing so heavy we're all like I'm like yeah I think I would contact I think I would I think I would I yeah I'm the other woman I'm so sorry I didn't know um well what's funny is that we've seen one of our girlfriends girlfriends do that and I it was like I was kind of being like don't do this this is cringe like why is this a huge message you know I don't know if she did it right she didn't do it right I think there's a way you can I mean I've said that to her face like yeah yeah you didn't nail this too long oh she literally wrote like a paragraph yeah no no no and also then that girl is like uh yeah right sure honey you know and then making her look like then it makes her feel like the truth are you making this up that you're really the other woman like yeah you look insane yeah oh this is really interesting yeah I think a paragraph to ever start something off bad you gotta go in shorter and just begin the combo rather than hit it hard where someone's like oh my god I need to like read this tonight when I have time like and sit down and actually think about this but okay so you guys would both say something I would be like I'm sick I'm ill like this this happened I need you to know and I'm so sorry bye I kind of agree with that like I feel like if you were not again clarifying you didn't even know you were the other woman if you were aware like then that's a complete different situation that's like on you but karma's on you yes but if you weren't aware I kind of agree because then even if she stays on her you don't totally at least you had your moment to say like this moment happened and I said my piece and like I can live with that love this yeah if you knew one of your close friends was cheating on her husband who you're also friends with how do you handle that that's really hard that's really hard that's never happened thank god has that ever happened to you maybe not husband or I have known not husband but yeah I've known that there's like shadiness going on and you're close to both of them yeah and I kind of stayed out of it because I just didn't did it dissolve on its own with you staying out of it you know what's interesting is I'm not really that close with them anymore so I don't know what happened but I also think maybe that partially is because it was like bleeding into every part of their like when you're lying that heavily in your life it bleeds into every other everything you're in your she was more distant because she was being so cagey but and then I was kind of like I don't know oh wow yeah I think it depends on maybe who like who's the og friend is it is it her or is it a guy like I don't know if you met him at the same I mean if you met at the same time it's it's hard it's so hard I'd like to think I'd have the courage to say something or to be like I don't know like is everything okay like well I want to think if I'm the same woman who's gonna tell the person I was the other woman and didn't know until just now I'd be that same person to say this like I'd like to think those two ladies are the same person you know what I mean like bold I agree I think what's hard sometimes in friendship dynamics is like there's a lot of dynamics I feel like you start to feel as you get older and there's cheating involved I have found sometimes I'm not privy to all the information of these people's relationships and a lot of times I'm like oh you kind of knew that sure like I didn't get the whole side yeah so I'm like if I'm super close if it was my best friend and I'm fine I'm hearing something I'm telling her obviously and be like I love you so much and I support you I just need to tell you I know this and then I'm here whatever you want to do yeah yeah because I think it's half the time the judgment that people feel when someone brings that information they get so anxious like I have to leave him now or I have to leave her now and it's like I don't know sometimes I feel like I come off as judgy when you tell them so I also think your delivery has to be like I love you and I know this is so hard but I saw so-and-so at this restaurant and this and I'm leaving this information yes but I'm here for you if you want to talk and like whatever you do I love you I think now in my 30s that is how I would approach it but it would take me a hot minute to come to that yes like bravery of yeah okay we're doing this you'd call your sister first yeah like we would rehearse it totally we'd rehearse it I'd hold her hand while she says the conversation or we would go in person and I'd hold her hand in person yes um okay you accidentally send a screenshot of the conversation to the person you were gossiping about how do you play it off oh have you guys never done that you don't know oh my god I have done that in college I was talking shit about the guy that I was seeing and I was like texting my friend and I was sunbathing I was at Boston University I remember exactly where I was laying I was in my little bikini and it was so bright out and I was holding my phone up texting and I was talking to this hockey player he was so dumb and I was just like so over it to him I screenshotted it send it to him being like hockey player wants me to go on his boat later like I'm gonna have to have like a couple drinks and it went to him and then what he what was his response was he like um you see now you can unset so we're in a good era so now we're fine so now we're good and guys I literally responded I'm pretty sure like first I called my mom screaming like I you guys I am under the sun I realized I do it I'm pretty sure he responded like lol at first which is like actually yeah that's kind of he was probably thinking like oh that's funny how dumb this is a funny joke right yeah it shows how you're like yeah I'm like you're like I am hilarious yes no and then I was like lol I'm just kidding like I just can't decide if I want to come like what are you thinking good job you guys did he did he roll with it he completely rolled with it wow saw him later that night oh but that says even more you did start the conversation saying he wasn't smart so like completely also why did I go I don't know I was bored you know what I mean yeah that's an ego thing where I was like I have to see this man to like make sure that he actually forgave me like this is insane that he doesn't recognize that I was completely shit talking to him I would be more likely for sure to do something like that 100 it would be way you would oh way over me like I'm actually surprised that hasn't happened but it hasn't twice because you're just like you're gonna do some like clumsy shit where you're like how did I get in this situation like hello you're on the wrong group chat it's like oh shit there will be times we're all like sidebar chat to her and I'll be like just so you know you're talking in a way that if this leads to more this you're in the wrong you're in the wrong you're on the wrong track here and she'll be like oh thank you totally thank you yeah that is kind of like younger sister energy though like the correction officer I call my sister and I'm like are you okay and why are you sending that to the family group chat you we were just texting and she's like oh my gosh I don't know like yeah I'm kind of funny that is yeah that that that does track as younger sister it is it is it's like we we know everything like stay in exactly um okay do you guys ever go on double dates oh yeah yeah I mean with our people now with our guys I don't think in the past have we ever really done that in the past I'm trying to think um before Stephen and Josh no I don't think so I don't think so that's become more of an adult like yeah oh it's been like three-wheeling where it's like two people on a date and then I'm like hey I'm here hanging with you having a you know or that's true yeah let's talk about Stephen and Josh um so serious Ali you met your husband when you were in your early 20s yeah what made him stand out to you um I don't know I just got a vibe like this guy is just different like he's really deep he's very mature he's just like tapped into something we met on a set he was the DP and I was the like lead actor in this like little indie um and I don't know like I just picked up this energy from him that um like just instantly I was kind of like this guy is like I'm like safe with this guy like I can really be myself around him and he's like artistic and he really cares about this project and how he's talking about it and how he is on set he's has very much like a leadership kind of energy um even though he was very young and it was the first movie that he was you know a DP on um so I don't know it was just like it was a meant to be thing and at the time I was seeing a guy that I was in like I call it like a kept relationship um like I couldn't get out it was just like he was a guy who was older than me that I had like that I had lost my virginity to to be completely honest and I was like girl we gotta get rid of him and I was like I'm good like it's it's all good like this is a sweet memory and moment but like we're we're done you did break up and he and he was like I made you a woman like bad he said that he did Ali it's cringe no it's cringe really we know how long were you together with him uh like a year year and a like a year and a half yeah I mean oh I know I know well you had an okay friendship with him in the beginning in the beginning it's someone that should have always been like a guy friend yes never should have dated 100 we for a man to say that he made you a woman I will kill you I know I know I know I know it's but the fact that I was like kind of chill like almost kind of like a bro like yeah this is nice like whatever like who cares I lost my virginity it's like not that big of a deal and he like so sentimental he like had it in his diary that he was like very much a big deal like wow I'm excited about this how did you end a relationship with him because that's hard like to be like someone that's clearly he was more into it than you yeah you called it a kept relationship yes I know I know I mean you did end it and then remember he like convinced you to stay in it stay in it so I like I we had broken up and then we got back together and then I'm on this movie like hanging out you know shooting in Sequoia National Park we're all staying in these cabins at the base of the mountain so like after we would wrap we all would eat dinner together and hang out and like run lines or whatever and um I just remember like essentially like talking shit about him to people being like I don't know I'm like I'm in this relationship but like I got to get out of it like you know at this time it was like what it was like November beginning of November so I was probably thinking like you know I'm gonna try to wrap this up and and be on my way but I knew that I had I had agreed to do a movie that he was directing that was next it was the next film so I had to do this next movie with him as a director and I broke up I broke up with him at the beginning of the movie I was so but then had to be in it but had to be in it directed by him yeah and he would be kind of trying to be like no like we can make this work and I was like we're done I really don't want to do this wait you're so strong it was brutal it was not I do not recommend doing that I recommend just bailing out of the movie and not doing the movie true but also that's like your career where you're like yeah like do I do it that's tough yeah that's also like ladies listening I have been in that situation before when you try to break up with someone anyone whatever they don't let you go okay well literally won't let you and they won't let you that means it's really bad run it's kind of like firing it's kind of like firing someone that's like you're not yeah and they're not doing this I'm not leaving what but why would you want me now like if I'm firing you're not gonna be like no that's normal like there'd be like ups and downs like sometimes like you'll you'll be in and out of love I'm like no that ain't how it works no when someone doesn't want you listen to them and leave yes believe them oh my god okay wait so when you met Ali's husband like were you immediate you like no in the beginning I was like I think she was a little judgmental like hated there's some not hated there's some crossover that's happening here I was a little judgy I'm not gonna lie okay even though I knew Ali was gonna get out of it I was like you should have gotten out of it like six months ago and then you'd be like free and clear but whatever um but then I turned to my husband you know true he turned into the husband so I'm happy and he's literally become like my brother like I love him and I have so much respect for him as a husband and uh dad like to watch him as a father like it's really beautiful um but in the beginning I was like I don't know about this guy like he was really shy he was really quiet I don't do great with quiet people except for like when I was translating she's a translator but like in general like I'm like come on like let's go like let's have a conversation like I've got a really bubbly personality and he was just very quiet he's like an intellectual he's very he's super grounded super smart and I think I felt maybe like a little like okay here's this like Ivy League guy I'm not gonna be able to like carry a conversation with him he's probably smarter than me like I think I was intimidated I get that and again back to what we were saying with sisters it's like you're so protective and you have to look for her blind spots yes that's how I am with my sister like she's dating right now and I'm like no what is going on and what it like because I'm just like I want the best for her so naturally it is your job almost to be like I don't like you until you prove that I should like you yes and then he did and I was like I love him although two years later when he proposed I like sobbed oh yeah and you knew before yeah I got so not because I wasn't happy for Allie I literally felt like I'm like I'm gonna lose my sister I think that's like I had this weird unrealistic idea that a marriage meant that then the sisterhood would be over yeah like I literally went up we were living together in Laurel Canyon and we were sharing a place and I went upstairs I lived in the top loft and I like closed my closet door and I sobbed I was so happy for her but at the same time I was like I'm literally gonna lose my sister and it didn't happen at all of course here we are yeah here we are do you think that's really relatable like I've talked about this with my siblings especially like around the holiday season you get to spend more time with family and it is kind of like sad when you start to get older and adults and do all the things that adults should be doing and your core family starts to expand and it's like now you're creating your own family right and your own memories and traditions and it's so sad but exciting but I relate to that a lot of like as we are all growing older you're like we I want to hold on to my siblings and what we had in our core don't grow up and don't leave me yeah but really it's more just like there's now more memories and there's more fun yes yeah that's true and you mourn nothing dies no but I get why you would freak out because like I'm the same way you're gonna on the wedding night like god bless our dad but like he we were doing like a dance even though it was a father-daughter dance later down the road it wasn't my father-daughter dance you had had yours but I was like later dancing with dad and I was like this is a really sweet moment and dad goes honey how are you doing and I was like I'm really happy for them like I feel really good about this and he was like that's awesome you know what you lost a sister but you gained a brother and I was like what the huh I mean it was everything I had cried about he didn't mean my dad just our dad talks like that yeah like he and I was like huh you're like wait come again you're like dad this is why I've been mentally unwell for the past couple years yes unwell but this is also the same man love you dad shout out to dad and mom great people this is also the same man who like lost his father a few years ago and Stephen never got to meet him and literally at the funeral I wasn't at the funeral because I was working at the funeral told Stephen I want you to meet my dad and he was dead in the castle but he's in the like that's like we're not we're not like that verbiage is interesting it's just interesting you're like dad I want you to meet my dad it's no longer here shake his hand yeah I don't know how wait you were there to witness I was there you said that Stephen handled it as Stephen handled it so well he was like okay Mark Stephen's like Mark I am gonna meet your dad and we're gonna hit it off over here stared at the open casket but dads can say some really no you guys it's unwell you're like whoa the more and more they get older yeah dads yeah you have to smile yeah my dad has been saying some great love you dad some crazy shit lately I'm like huh love you dad love your dad like you gotta just laugh happy holidays happy holidays you're all insane yeah um okay AJ you have a boyfriend I do it's been six years yeah how did you guys meet we met at a film festival in Napa oh yeah um Ali and I I know it was actually bougie Ali and I had made a film with her husband that had gone to the Napa Valley Film Festival and he had produced and starred in a short film that was shortlisted for an Oscar that year that was also premiering at the film festival oh wow and it was an amazing short film and him and I met and like there was like a spark but at the time he was with his girlfriend there and I was dating someone in Canada classic I loved long distance for a while which was just really an odd phase yeah AJ was really on that kick um and and I just was like gosh I'm gonna know this guy for a while and I don't know how or why and it's gonna happen at some point but I remember he was wearing this like lumberjack red black flannel and I was just like this guy is hot and he's like salt of the earth vibes and then down the road a year later he was single I was single and we connected on Instagram and we needed somebody in our video for take me I had to be a victim in our in our video because we were playing vampires and you're like you and you were like can we kill you in a video hot he should be in the video like let's have him yeah wait what was your first impression how did you meet him when did you meet him I met him at that at the festival yeah I think you like with you because maybe was there like a panel or something together I think yeah yeah and then and then we did the the video shoot and he was like super down and then we had a couple girlfriends come and also be victims and they were like down to just kind of like hang out for the day when they started dating were you protective or no I don't know what do you feel like I feel like because you already had Steven in play for such a good chunk of your life right you've lost that because you're set and you're like sure she's got this yeah I think maybe when I AJ was younger I was more protective or more like who is this guy like yeah what are you after are you actually a loser and you're just like hiding it really well yep um but but I feel like I've always been on like good terms with most of the guys that you've dated I feel like you like kind of a friendly banter yeah maybe not as much where you've been like friends with my true in a way I've been more judgmental about who she's dated than the other way around yeah which again maybe is the little sister oh me I'm like you're a fucking loser you don't deserve my sister my sister's like Alex I've gone on two dates with this man and you just ran into him on the street in New York this wasn't even a planned meeting I'm like back off yeah he's like what um okay I'm like yeah that's a nightmare to have me your parents are divorced right yeah how do you guys think their divorce informed how you approached your romantic relationships in your adult lives if I'm going to speak for AJ I think that oh oh no that's fine don't speak for you speak for me yeah I think I mean we kind of do we speak for each other like maybe a bad habit but um I I think that AJ as the little sister vibes was more like heartbroken by yeah and shattered and took it really bad what age did they get divorced in 20 19 and 21. okay okay 1921. so like in a way you're old enough to know exactly what happened all the details like I I think there's a there's a positive and a negative to it but I think for us I was shattered it helped that I was on a TV show and I was living by myself alone for the first time out in Vancouver oh yeah and so I was just focused on that and you were like left at home to be at home with my mom still all of us at that point we're living together and you were kind of mourning the divorce a little bit with her so I think in a weird way you like carried some of that trauma with you where I was kind of like bye I'm off shooting the show for eight nine months but when you wrapped we ended up living together we lived with our mom while she kind of dealt with getting her life back together after the divorce like we it would end up being like a home of three women like yeah kind of it was like three's company but just just ladies yeah no that kind of stuff like I know can like you're right affects people in different ways literally down to like logistically where you were at in the middle of your parents getting divorced can play such a role and like how it genuinely affected you because you got to be essentially removed correct yeah do you a good point did you notice anything with like how that affected when you started to like engage in romantic relationships there was infidelity with what happened we're actually like super close with both parents and I was able to forgive our father and like I actually feel like we're in a great place now but at the time it was really hard for me and I think when I was dating people I immediately had this trigger that like they're gonna cheat up like they're gonna like because how could that happen it after 23 years of marriage like I feel bad talking about it because I love my dad but like it really was one of those things that became a trigger point that like didn't really need to be there like no one needs to be assuming you're being cheated on you just feel like you've seen it now so you're like it's gonna happen it's it's horrible I also think like that's such an interesting dynamic because I could be sitting here with someone that had their parents get divorced when they were like six and it fucked them up right I it is interesting hearing you guys talk about because I know this is a very very very relatable topic which like I have a friend that has a similar situation to you guys with your parents when you are that age and you're very deep and about to begin to explore your romantic adult relationships to have a foundation that was like pretty it seems like pretty solid yeah for your whole well people would be shocked you know to find out to find out like yes what the family they broke up so your reality was so like disrupted I can imagine that yes like then you're like we if I can't trust like my dad then I can't trust any of these men when really again it's like they're doing this for the first time too and that's their relationship or whatever but it affects you it does girls but I don't think it's like or at least I didn't feel like it turned me off from marriage or not believing in marriage for whatever reason no no I think we still like believed in the idea of it and and I don't know I think we always felt like okay there is a there is a chance that you can actually have a successful marriage in this day and age you just got to really work on it and I think if I'm they stopped working on it yeah they stopped working on it if I'm gonna be the the little Yoda that yeah bring it bring it here we go that I am in my heart I love it I'm kidding I love I'm joking but I do love Yoda actually the child the child we love girl girl um I think that not working on the relationship between the mom and dad like is is the whole end of the marriage because everything was poured into me and AJ and that was almost like a scapegoat and then it was like oh we don't work on ourselves we're not going to be in therapy we're not going to do these things we're not going to make sure that you are flown out on tour every you know two and a half weeks instead we're going to pride ourselves being the parents that were really there for the two kids in the industry but then it's like but then your guys is like a part which then affects us right that's interesting I saw someone recently talking about um when people just become their identity as a father it's like you can't just be one thing like what's your identity to yourself what's your identity to your partner and that's how you lose yourself if you're just one I wonder like obviously how old is your child he's he'll be eight months I mean I guess when he's when we when this is out like oh my god you know almost almost oh my god yeah how has like that concept of like recognizing still needing to pour because you're in the thick of it right now like you've got basically a partner to make sure you guys are good even in the excitement of having like a new child and that's all you want to talk about well I think I think making moments where it can be the two of us or even if like our kid is around it's like okay well he's like asleep right now we can still kind of have like a little date night and go out to dinner and put him in his little stroller and like it can still be romantic or we can put a movie on or we can get away to our favorite place in Big Sur and it can be not just all about the kid you know no your son is so adorable he's so adorable he's so like when he was at tour I was literally like this is the most calm baby I literally walk into your dressing room he's here yeah you can see him I see him after yeah yeah yeah he's in a little he's not in a matching we couldn't get miniature but yeah yeah but you would have tried you would have tried yeah you know I'm obsessed oh my god we can't get that turned around they're like please calm down you're like okay fine um okay before we're gonna go through now I want to do new music and we're gonna play one last game because I think it's fun because it's sister dynamic okay ready who is the more bougie one between the two of you who likes the nicer stuff I don't know maybe maybe AJ she'll splurge on more like um like a skincare thing or like doing like like your nails thank you facials massages yeah oh yeah the spa the spa we both love a spa but I tend to like maybe do it a little too much I was gonna say that like the most like what is the luxury thing you can't live without the spa I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know yeah facials like every like three weeks well it's paying off like literally you have great you ever have bad skin like as a teen did you oh my god yes so like I will take all the compliments no oh my god you guys I had like full accutane when I was younger oh wow really but it was just like very hormonal and then like I got over it and then it was gone wow and now like here we are facials um okay who is more likely to take a secret to the grave me I probably AJ AJ yeah you just smiled so I was like AJ you're like give it to me that is true AJ I'm like come on bitch it's me but I'm pretty good at keeping it no you are but with each other like like got it to the grave together do you know what I mean like that's not to the grave that's not I know but it's like it has to be between the two of us who is more likely to pick a fight between the two of you I mean we both can pick a fight with each other pretty like quickly pretty quickly if it's the right subject matter you know the right thing if it's like we're disagreeing on something like how something was handled like AJ will be like you have to take a secret to the grave you have to take a secret to the grave a bunch of typos in this one business email I'm like who cares yeah I'll correct the correction officer like she's like she will she's like you're you're you're writing an email like you're texting you know like you're like this is sloppy this isn't good for our business I'm like okay I'm like sorry like that you know that's not even a fight but like I usually start something sooner I feel like than you that's probably true yeah AJ's maybe a little more fiery I love if you had to say what is your biggest pet peeve about each other I just like start a full fight on this oh my gosh I have it wow oh wow Ali started doing this in the last like year very consistently I actually don't think I have addressed it with you oh my god where she'll go maybe you could do that like yeah you're right it's me it's me she'll start a sentence that she's asking you to do something but instead it's like maybe you could get that bottle like for Jack or like maybe you could get that that's true you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah yeah I don't know how you word it exactly I think it starts with maybe you could oh interesting and it's like oh you want me to like you want me to or I could ask me the question and I'll do it okay so I should just be asking the question yes or just be like get me this can't stand it get me get me this I mean I'd rather you just say like do that get the burp cloth maybe you could maybe you could oh interesting oh that's infuriating that drives me nuts that's a good one drives me that is a great one okay your turn oh AJ um hmm okay we both are OCD and we know this about each other but AJ loves to reorganize an area that I've already kind of pre-tried to organize knowing that AJ doesn't like something moved like the shoes or something I'm like okay she'll like it I love things like moved and it's like the shoes are just in a different corner but they're still they're still on the ground and you're like I literally cleaned for you I'm like I'm clean for the OCD like just trying to get ahead that's OCD you can't it's a beauty it has to be your way you have your way it might doesn't make any damn sense but it's your way even if you there's nothing logical yep nothing logical it's like this pile of clothes you're lucky I did not reorganize this bookshelf I can't imagine what you're feeling in this room it's only in my own space okay that makes me feel good it's never in someone else's ever she's the first to usually apologize if you guys are coming back from a fight probably AJ yeah Allie I don't even remember the last time you said I'm sorry yeah yeah I'm not good at saying she does not apologize yeah that's okay no you said but you're you said you're usually lightly starting it and then you're ending it yes yeah love that for you I'm a closer um you guys your new music okay we're here let's talk about it you have a new album coming out and a single the single is coming out on January 10th love what is it called what it feels like we were supposed to do that at the same time but it's fine yeah let's do it again ready okay what is it called what it feels like wait fuck and five six seven eight what it feels like gorgeous gorgeous okay talk to me about this album what is the inspiration behind the music I mean this record feels like it's never been more us obviously every single album you're hoping to achieve you know that 10 percent better right each time just like you would with like each season of the show but I do feel like we've really stepped into like our womanhood on this album and I think part of that is is I think just seeing that this music um has been so informed by our live show and touring and playing songs to a live audience and with our band that we've now been playing with for a few years has really helped us identify okay this is the kind of music we want to put on a record and what we want to then go out and tour so I think it's looking at it from like the live show is the the top of the pyramid and how do we get to the live show um and I think a lot of this music was um created with people that we felt really safe with and was while I was like heavily pregnant I mean I guess we started writing it right before I got pregnant and then really the whole making of this album was like I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know either me pregnant and then delivering and then album is finished and delivered oh my god yes her water broke in like day two of like pre-production at her house at my yeah in the guest room wait at like 6 a.m that's kind of like I was texting with Stephen it was very it was like I'm like what's going on in there he's like I think her water broke I was like what we just started and then I got really nervous thinking OCD I was like she's gonna be pissed because this water is on her bed and on the ground not when it's like your child although that is pretty funny I was like clean it up get the get the rags wait oh my god we okay yeah how long was the writing process of this album the writing was finished so writing i would say the writing took a solid year yeah yeah wow before we really were ready to be like these are the 15 songs we want to record we're very like like just maybe just under maybe just under a year yeah this is a hard question what is your favorite song off the album that's hard i'm so happy with this record but i really think my number one is michael's song we wrote it about a really dear friend of ours that we had worked with in the industry for years and he passed away last year and we were like we have to write about that and we were on tour we were on tour during the funeral we weren't able to come our parents came on behalf of us which was really sweet we're really close to his daughter and his wife literally like a long-standing member of the alien like the longest running team member yeah for us like you know so it was like it was kind of almost like a father figure you know so it was very hard to come to terms with it and then we we felt like like this could be a song you know um and it's so specific like when you listen to the song and you read the lyrics you're like oh this is this is very specifically about like the very last time we saw him yeah not knowing of course it would be that it was like our last dinner but i feel like that's such a powerful message because everyone has experienced grief so they'll be able to like transport themselves probably when they're like the last time they saw whoever it was to them that they lost and they what is your favorite honestly it's kind of a tie between two and i think it's because it has to do with my son and then the fact that i was leaving laurel canyon to then live in santa barbara like a way from aj and i wrote i basically wrote this song with aj about um like moving into this new house in this new space and it not feeling like a home and feeling like i was kind of like summoning it to be this this place that i felt welcomed in and not not like it had like bad juju or vibes i just was like this isn't perfect and this isn't right and i want to change out this doorknob and my husband's just like okay and i'm like pregnant and like nesting and i'm just like frantic like fix this this needs to be fixed and it just and and i was like you know what this would be a good song like willing this to happen and to make this space a home and i really love aj's uh the way she sings the bridge um on on that song um the song is called i don't know what it is and um and i i think that song just whenever i listen to it it's almost kind of healing because i'm finally at a place where the home doesn't feel like a shell yeah like a shell it feels like oh this is a place that has good memories and i associate like my birth and i birthed in this living room right here and this is this wasn't traumatic this was all kind of what i hoped it would be oh um so that's beautiful yeah so i think it's like the the the end story of it is really great but it was very much me struggling to find my identity within the home and then the other song that's like maybe uh equal to that is a song called dandelions which is about jack and we kind of wrote this pre him being born which is crazy so knowing he was coming knowing he was coming and that we wanted him to like have this message of hope and like whatever dreams we're not able to reach he is more than capable of reaching them himself you know that is and hopefully each generation reaches more oh my god how crazy and cool that you guys like one day like your son will get to watch you perform a song about him live and listen to it and have it forever like that's such a beautiful gift i mean that is the power of songwriting yeah like it really is i think the other thing about specifically songwriting and it's funny because i'm learning constantly about music we've actually already written but i'm learning new things about what we've written after the fact like to me when a song takes on a new life but it had a different meaning when you wrote it yes like i don't know what it is now when i listen to that song and i picture your home which you've now created from this is so different than how we came at this song writing it thinking we're splitting up as sisters we're no longer going to live in the canyon by each other we're like what are we doing we're going to be torn apart and it's like yeah no we're just shifting into other parts of our life chapter right now that song is like shows your growth because now your house is a home and now you're so happy and this is what i love how songwriting teaches you something but you wrote it like in a year later you're listening to it it's kind of prophetic in a way that's really like it is perfect how songwriting is it is and i think with this record there was so much like feminine energy around it and i think part of that was me being pregnant but then part of that was us just going through the growing pains of like we are getting older and we don't live down the street from each other and we this like we aren't living in our childhood really anymore we're out of that and we're not in our 20s anymore which we just got reminded by an executive yeah literally stop no we went to have a meeting like i'm not getting like a label meeting and they were like last week the the note was like we love the record we think it's amazing but like we're here to break women in their 30s like we're here to break pop stars i was like so we need to be like 21 or something i was like i'm 35 i'm 33 i was like we're still young as hell and i was like now i'm reminded that we're not after the meeting she's like i'm sorry i just i have to kind of like like not after the meeting i had a process after we had heard that it was a no so it was like you know we did the meeting and then it was like you know whatever it was two days later it was like oh a call is coming you know and we're kind of going okay well i want i hope it's like positive and then that was the feedback and he was like i just need to sit with this for a minute because he's like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like i don't know what you're talking about and i was like is the music good or no right like what does that have to do with how old i am and it's like how many times do you think they've said that to a man probably never again we're not trying to break a what i know i know i'm like we're not horses and yeah yeah like you don't need to break us totally and we've broken and you know what i mean i think part of it was besides you know like you said that yeah the fact that it's maybe not ideal age for breaking an artist whatever in the music industry um i think part of it was also like the album was completed and done they couldn't meddle and change stuff because it was finished because it's finished it's not like hey here's some demos and they're like oh yes we love track one no to two three and six change this sound and then you're like no and they were like you know and we wouldn't maybe go down this route like sonically for you i'm like like us playing music and writing the music like what what do you mean yeah it's wild so it was though a blessing that you guys did it on your own and you don't want to work with someone that doesn't want to like doesn't want you in the way you are exactly at right now because clearly you guys said you have other records that you never put out this feels right to you yeah so go with so go to right it's it's it's a message that that is very pure and what it is there's no like a gimmick behind it so they're not like oh i can like it's harder to sell yeah it's hard to sell something because they're like what's the shtick and it's like but just we're sisters we play music we write we've been doing this since we were young but i think that's like the best part about you guys like i have to say growing up and listening to you guys you have such incredible voices but hearing you perform live at my tour i remember like pinching my best friend lauren being like their voices are so beautiful like literally you guys have like such incredible voices and what i appreciate about you guys and about this album is actually more like that it is real it is obvious when people have not written their music and when they're told to wear the certain thing and look the certain way just kind of like you guys are describing you would go into meetings and you feel people trying to shift and mold you into something that you're not and i think if people are looking for something in their life music wise that's actually going to connect them to the real that they're going through this is more of the album i think like people right now are more interested in than maybe who knows no but sure you can love pop but like i really think that you guys are connecting to something that people are loving which is authenticity so it's exactly what you're saying yeah and i feel like people gravitate towards that you know yes that's why this show works yeah like it's authentic speaking to the truth you can tell women talk and how we feel and how we communicate you knew that was a missing piece yes yeah was it really going on i think it's so exciting to see you guys like back at it and i think it also is such a testament to like your ability to be critical of yourselves to be like we didn't put out certain albums because it didn't feel right and we weren't ourselves and so the fact that like this is all you this was done at a very incredible vulnerable emotional time in both of your lives like i think that the world is going to be so so so excited to hear and they're going to love it so i'm so excited for you guys you are so lovely as human beings i know we haven't spent that much time together but like i feel like i now know you guys enough to be like yeah you guys are real ones so thank you so much for taking the time during the holidays and coming and sitting down with me you guys are the best happy new year happy new year you could be a little sister oh i'm putting it on you're an honorary you're the young we look like we're related you're the youngest sister you are you are i'm coming i'm coming in i'm going to put it on love you guys love you too you