Always “Too Tired” After Work? 5 Shifts to Optimize Your 5–9 and Finally Build the Life You Want
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The episode emphasizes that the hours after work—often overlooked—are where personal transformation truly begins. Instead of blaming lack of motivation or time, the focus is on intentional, repeatable actions that build momentum over time. Key strategies include creating specific if-then plans for the first move after work, batching daily chores to save time, and taking action regardless of mood. The message counters the belief that motivation must precede effort, arguing that consistency builds confidence and competence. Life is viewed through seasonal cycles—some weeks are for growth, others for rest—allowing for sustainable progress. Small, daily habits—like reading, walking, or calling loved ones—accumulate into meaningful change. The episode highlights real-life examples, such as a creator who spent years editing videos or a young athlete practicing free kicks, showing how dedication leads to long-term success. It warns against escapism like doom scrolling, which offers only temporary relief and undermines recovery. Ultimately, the goal is not to do more, but to do what matters—repeatedly, intentionally—and to build a life of purpose, energy, and fulfillment through consistent, self-aware choices. This shift in mindset allows people to reclaim autonomy and build a future they truly value.
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This is the harsh truth.
Your nine-to-five is
not the reason you're feeling behind in life.
It's what you're doing
after your nine-to-five
that's keeping you stuck.
Because while your day job may pay your bills,
your five-to-nine
determines who you become.
Those few hours after work are where books
get written, businesses get built,
bodies get healthier, relationships
deepen, and lives begin to change.
But for most of us,
those hours disappear into
exhaustion, scrolling, chores,
and distractions before we
even realize it.
The reality is, most people spend their energy
maintaining their current life
rather than working toward
the future they really want.
You have dreams that you want for yourself,
but your daily routine
doesn't align with what it would take
to accomplish them.
Ask yourself this. Picture the version
of yourself that you want to be in
one year. Does your current lifestyle
look like the one that person has?
The truth is,
you're not lazy, but you're probably
stuck in decision fatigue,
cognitive overload, and with a nervous
system that's overstimulated.
And I think that's why so many of us
can feel frustrated with ourselves.
You genuinely want to change your life,
but keep falling into the same
patterns every night.
How many of you tell yourself that after
work, you're finally going to
exercise, work on your passion
project, cook a healthy meal,
reconnect with a loved one, read a
book, or try a new hobby?
And instead, you end up
on the couch, four episodes
deep into a TV show, wondering
where the entire night went.
You promise yourself, tomorrow
will be different. Tomorrow, you'll have
more discipline. Tomorrow, you will
finally just do the task you
said you were going to do. But that's
where most people are approaching their
five to nine completely wrong.
They're relying on motivation
instead of systems, reacting
to their exhaustion instead
of fixing it, and unknowingly
building routines that drain even
more energy from them instead
of giving that energy back.
Researchers studying decision fatigue
found that the quality of our decisions
tends to decline throughout the day
as our mental energy gets
depleted. By the evening, most
people are operating with significantly
less cognitive bandwidth than they
had earlier in the morning. That's
part of why passive habits become
so much harder to resist at night,
even when you wake up motivated
and ready for a productive day.
And unfortunately, most of
the systems surrounding us are designed
to make passive behavior incredibly
easy. Streaming platforms
autoplay the next episode,
your Instagram feed never ends,
and the cozy, comfy couch
is always going to feel better
in the moment than lacing up your
sneakers. Now obviously,
rest matters. I think one of the
biggest mistakes self-improvement culture
makes is treating every moment
of rest like failure.
Rest and recovery are extremely
important, but there's a very big difference.
There's a difference between intentional rest
that restores your energy, versus
the numbing out and feeling
frustrated with ourselves that we
tend to do on weeknights.
If you're just constantly resting
each night to reset for the next
workday, you'll realize a month
went by where you didn't even start
a project you were excited about.
Your goals start feeling like they
belong to some future version of yourself
who will eventually have more time,
more energy, more clarity,
more motivation. But you're
evenings, right now, as your
life looks today, matter.
And I'm going to help you utilize
them so you can be productive,
energized, and more fulfilled.
It's not about finding more hours
in the day, it's about resetting
the way you use the crucial time
you do have. You have goals,
you want to be productive, you want
to feel happy and well-rounded, well-read.
You want to spend time with the people
you love and who love you.
All of these things are accessible
to you. If you do the five
to nine right. So today
I want to take us through the five
shifts that can completely change
your evenings and ultimately
your life. The first
shift is changing your first move
after work. Behavioral
scientist Wendy Wood, who studies
habits and automatic behavior,
has found that much of human behavior
is driven less by conscious
decision-making and more
by environmental cues and
repeated patterns. That's why
so many people sit down for five
minutes after work and somehow
lose three hours to
TikTok. The brain recognizes
the pattern before your conscious
mind fully catches up.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is
trying to fight the wrong battle. If
you know that going straight home from the office
destroys your momentum,
stop trying to rely on discipline
once you're already in your home.
Change the first
move instead. Go directly
to the gym after work. Stop
at a cafe before heading home and
spend an hour working on your side hustle.
Go for a walk after you park
your car before you head in the
front door. Meet a friend for dinner
straight from the office.
Interrupt the autopilot loop
before the decision fatigue fully
takes over. Psychologists
call this implementation intention
theory, creating
specific if-then plans
ahead of time. Instead
of vaguely saying, I should work
out more, you decide
if work ends at six,
then I get to the gym at 6.15.
Research consistently shows
that people are far more likely
to follow through on behaviors
when they've created a specific situational
plan ahead of time.
Most lives are shaped less
by huge dramatic choices
and more by repeated small
decisions that slowly become
your identity. My first
move after a work day is to dive
into a book. I keep books
open in different places in
my home. There's one by my bed
side, one in my living room,
one in my office,
and what I try and do is just
dive into a book immediately. I know
that if I wait to settle down, if I wait
to simmer down, I'll probably lose
the motivation. But if I pick up a book
that's already open and go back
to where I was when I finished off,
then already I'm reconnected.
Something I prioritize doing
every single night is having a meal
with someone I love without my
phone. I think it's so important to feel
a sense of connection. The second
shift is batching small tasks
so they don't consume your entire
week. I think one of the biggest reasons
people feel like they don't have time
after work is because
they're redoing the same basic life
maintenance tasks every single
night. Laundry,
grocery shopping, answering emails,
handling carpool, running
to appointments. None of these
things feel overwhelming individually,
but together they eat
hours of your evenings before you
ever get to the thing you actually
care about. This is why
batching your life admin is so
important to getting your time back.
Meal prep for two hours
on Sunday instead of spending
hours cooking from scratch every
single night. Do all your house
cleaning in one block instead of
scattering it throughout the week.
Pick one evening a week for laundry
and stick to it. Spend 30
minutes on a Sunday planning your weeknights
ahead so you stop wasting
energy constantly deciding
what to do next. The goal is
to reconfigure the free hours you
already have in a week to make
room for the things you actually want to spend
time doing. The more friction
you remove from basic life maintenance,
the more energy you have left
for your health, relationships,
creativity, and future.
The third shift is to stop waiting
to feel good or motivated
before taking action.
I genuinely think this is one of the most damaging
beliefs people tell themselves.
They think they should feel inspired
before creating.
Energized before exercise.
calm before meditating, confident before starting a new task. But that's not always realistic in the
chaos of our busy daily lives. In fact, consistency usually comes before motivation, not after it.
That doesn't mean ignoring your body or forcing yourself into burnout, but it does mean occasionally
whatever it is you want to accomplish in your life, you just have to do it tired. Go to dinner
with friends, even if you're in a bad mood. Go to a workout class, even if you're yawning. Open that
word document of the book you want to write, even if you're creatively slumped. Prove to yourself
that you can rely on yourself to do the things you say you're going to do, even if you're not in the
perfect mood to do them. Because the reality is, after a tough day at your nine to five, it's likely
you're not going to be in the mood to do anything but lay on the couch and start scrolling. So at
some point, you need to be okay with yourself.
You know, when I'm struggling for motivation after work, but I want to work on my book or
work on a creative thing that I haven't had time for in my day, I just think about what it will
feel like in a week to not do it. I know if I don't do that thing that I creatively want to do
for a week, I'm going to feel emptier. I'm going to feel heavier. I'm going to feel like I'm not
doing what I was meant to do. And so future facing, the emotion that I'll experience,
impacts me to make a difference now. Another thing I want to talk about is an activity that I
don't look forward to or didn't used to at least was going to the gym. I always used to feel I don't
have enough energy for the gym. I'm not ready for the gym. Only to realize that every time I leave
the gym, I feel amazing and I feel so happy that I went. And I want you to realize that the things
that are good for you feel bad at the beginning and amazing afterwards. And the things that are
bad for you, they feel great in the beginning and not so great at the end. So I want you to
afterwards. The brain naturally gravitates toward immediate relief instead of pushing forward. But
over time, this creates a deeper issue. You stop trusting yourself. Every night becomes further
proof that you're okay with abandoning the things you said mattered to you. Eventually, you come to
believe that you're incapable of even accomplishing them at all. That's why even the smallest actions
matter so much. Reading 10 pages, going for a walk, spending 30 minutes researching for a project,
calling your loved one to check in. These actions seem insignificant in isolation, but over time,
they become evidence about who you are. It's easy to look ahead and get excited by outcomes,
money, success, transformation. But the real journey to your goals is just based on repetition.
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The fourth shift is giving yourself one meaningful goal each evening instead of trying to reinvent
your entire life overnight. I think ambitious people unintentionally sabotage themselves
in this area constantly. They get home from work and they expect they'll be able to work out,
cook dinner, clean the apartment, answer emails, see friends, meditate, read, journal, call family,
work on their businesses, and still get eight hours of sleep at the end of the night.
It's impossible to do everything all at once.
When you overset your goals for one weeknight, you're going to end up feeling guilty and
unproductive when you inevitably don't get it all done. This creates a terrible psychological loop
where your evenings start feeling associated with inadequacy instead of fulfillment.
What you really need to be doing is trying to win the week, not trying to win every single day.
There's been lots of times in my life where I've been close to burning out because I've been trying
to do everything I can to make sure I'm not burning out. And I've been trying to do everything I can
all at the same time. Think about the weather. Seasons. Seasons exist because even the environment
does different things in different phases at different times. Think about your life as seasons,
not as one season for the whole year. That's what really helped me understand the importance
of priorities. Some seasons are like spring. They're about new ideas, fresh growth. Some
seasons are about summer, joy, experience, going deep into immersive feelings. Some seasons are
like about shedding. And some seasons are like winter, about hibernating and just protecting
yourself. Not every goal needs to be worked toward every evening. Maybe a couple of weeknights are for
wellness and exercise. Maybe one is for friendships, one is for creativity, and one is for the practical
life maintenance you're now batching. A balanced life repeated consistently is where real progress
is made. And finally, the fifth shift is building evenings that actually give you energy back. Listen,
I understand that having a nine to five is taxing and exhausting. And your natural instinct is to
structure your entire life around maintaining energy just to survive at work. But we as humans
actually gain energy back in the long run when we're pouring into ourselves and into the activities
that truly fulfill us. There's a reason people often feel more energized after a workout,
a meaningful conversation, a walk outside, or after a productive hour of work rather than three hours straight
of scrolling. Your energy is like a generator, not a battery. It's not constantly draining until you
hit zero. Rather, you're able to revive, reset, and pull your energy levels back up depending on
what you choose to pour your time and attention into. The goal of your evening should not just
be recovering enough to survive tomorrow, to make the most of our five to nines. We need to
connect intentionally to something that is building us towards a better future. I love going
on a hike after work. I think being in nature, being outdoors, expanding the mind makes me feel
so, so energized. Now, I don't always want to go, but I've started to write down and journal
about the feeling after I hike. So after I do force myself to go on a hike, I'll write about it
so that the next day when I don't want to go, when I'm tired, I read it to myself or I listen back to
an audio journal, which is saying to me, don't give up, go on that hike, get out there. For me,
an ideal successful weeknight is getting to bed on time. I really believe that if we were all
sleeping seven to nine hours a night, it would take away around 50% of our problems because it
would give us the ability to curb our cravings, to work out, to have more energy in the day,
to feel better, to not be as irritable or as reactive to things around us.
So for me, a successful weeknight is making sure that I don't spend loads of time on my
to have a wind down routine and that I fall asleep by 10 PM latest. Now I'm not perfect. I make
mistakes. I sleep later than that. I have events during the week as well. This is not about
perfection. It's about practice and progress. At the end of the day, this is really about reclaiming
autonomy and authorship over your own life. You don't need to make any huge dramatic changes to
feel more productive. Instead, focus on small repeatable choices every day that slowly shift
the direction of your life.
Most people massively underestimate what can happen in a year of intentional evenings. Sure,
one workout will not transform your life tomorrow. Reading 10 pages tonight won't
instantly make you wise. Spending an hour on your dream after dinner won't immediately change your
career. But these actions, repeated consistently over months and even years, that's where the true
meaning of your life is built. I remember when I was working at a corporate company and in my heart,
it was a dream of what I really wanted to do. And my nine to five wasn't really a nine to five. It
was more like a nine to seven, nine to eight. And so I'd get back and then I'd work. I remember
spending four to five hours a night, five days a week to edit one five minute video. Now, if anyone
ever tells you it would take them 20 hours to edit a video, just know that is not a good amount of
time. That is way too long. But I just remember spending four to five hours a night, five days a
I spent that long because I had to teach myself how to edit.
myself how to edit. I was editing my videos. I was posting them onto YouTube. I was making
thumbnails. I was doing all of these things, skills that I had and didn't have in order to
live my dream. And I don't regret it at all. Yes, I missed birthdays. Yes, I missed events. Yes,
I missed hangouts. During that time, I missed so many different things, but I don't regret it
because it set me up for the greatest gift in my life, which is doing what I love.
I remember as a teenager, I read David Beckham's autobiography and he talked about how when he was
a young man in his teens, all of his friends were out partying on a Friday night and he was at the
park. He'd hang a tire, a car tire in the corner of the goal, and he'd practice free kicks until
he could get loads in a row. And he doesn't regret it because it allowed him to live his dream.
You are going to have to make choices about how you spend your evenings,
what you focus on, what you prioritize, what you build around in order to build your future.
It won't be easy. It won't be comfortable. I remember editing videos and putting them out.
And then my friend saying things like, Jay, the music editing is bad. The clips are too fast.
You talk too fast. There was so much criticism that came with it as well. Obviously, I wasn't
perfect. I was working a full-time job and trying to figure it out. I wasn't great at everything I
was doing, but I started to improve. I started to improve. I started even when it wasn't perfect. And I stand before you today, or I sit before you today,
because I was able to follow through on it, not because I got everything right,
not because I had a perfect plan, not because everything was perfectly executed,
but because I started. I want you to think about what your life would look like if you woke up a
year from now and you were in exactly the same place. Because all you did after your nine to five
doom scroll was waste time and not even rest and restore. I think that's one of the most
fascinating things. We usually turn to something to help us escape. We actually think happiness is
relief, right? We think of relief from pain and stress as happiness, but it's not. It's just
relief. And I find that so many of us think that just doom scrolling all night will actually help
us decompress. I think that's one of the
will actually help us rest, but it doesn't do that. It doesn't make you feel calmer.
I was with a friend a couple of months ago, and instead of doom scrolling or instead of just
wasting time, we decided to spend an hour in silence together just to help our mind and
bodies really decompress. It's almost like putting your phone on charge. You have to get off of it
to let it charge, to let it refuel. Think about your body and mind. We're so overstimulated. We're
so overwhelmed throughout the day. We rarely give our body and mind an opportunity to just reset.
For me, it's been such a powerful practice to ask myself, when do I actually feel rested?
What do I need to actually do to make myself feel rejuvenated? Not what do I need to do to distract
myself? Not what do I need to do to numb myself or escape? But what can I do that really, truly
makes me feel rested?
And I would ask you and challenge you to ask yourself that. What do you do so that when you
wake up in the morning, you don't regret it? How many of you stay up all night watching something
and then the next morning you wake up and go, I wish I went to bed earlier, right? That's not rest.
And here's the reality. I know we all carry guilt and shame around this. I do too. Like if I doom
scroll for too long, I'll feel a bit guilty. If I feel like I wasted an evening, I can feel guilty.
And here's the interesting thing. Guilt can block growth.
Right? If you force yourself into feeling guilty, it can force you to make a change,
but it can also block growth because it makes you feel more shameful. It makes you feel like
you're not worthy of working harder. So I want you to be really careful to choose things that
really help you rest, that really help you refuel, that really help you restore, not just distract
and numb and find relief. I want you to try and figure out what that is for you.
I wanted to address something else. I'm not encouraging hustle culture. I'm not encouraging
yourself out. What I'm encouraging you to do is to recognize that there will be a one to two year
window in your life where you're able to lock in in this way and it will positively impact the next
10 to 20 years of your life. That's what we're after. We're not after just doing this for the
sake of doing it. We're not just after doing it because we have to do it, but there'll be a certain
season and phase in your life where carving out this time will pay dividends for decades. I want
you to reach your potential. I want you to achieve the things that you're really, really excited
about. I want you to have an opportunity, but I also want to be real with you. There is no substitute
for the five to nine. There is no substitute for the work after work. There is no substitute to
the working on weekends. There's no substitute to planning and organizing your time better. There
is no substitute. We think someone got lucky. It just worked out for them. They got really fortunate.
I promise you that.
Everyone you admire, everyone you look up to had a season of their life where they were dedicated,
immersed, and devoted to what you see them doing now. And guess what? When you're learning a new
skill, when you're building a muscle, you actually feel more motivated. You get way more excited. You
actually start to fall in love with the process. If you're just focused on the success and the win,
you'll actually be demoralized. But when you start to think that you're making progress,
you're actually gaining momentum,
that starts to make you feel better about your whole life. And all of a sudden,
you're showing up to work with more energy. You show up to your friend's evening with more energy,
and everyone's like, what happened to you? Where did this come from? And you're like,
because I can see myself growing. I can see myself taking steps forward. I can see myself
taking action. That's where confidence comes from. Confidence comes from building competence
and evidence that you show up for yourself. When you build your skills and competence,
and when you show up for yourself, you're building confidence. And when you show up for yourself,
repeatedly and build evidence, that's where you get confidence from. And confidence shines into
every area of your life. Here's the last thing I want to leave you with. You will never regret
working a little bit harder for something you care about. We already work so hard for things
we don't care that much about. We may have to do a job that we have to do. We may have to show up
in certain places because we have to. There are so many things that we have to do. We have to show up
in certain places because we have to. There are so many things you work hard at that you don't love
and don't care about. Imagine what your life would look like if you worked a little bit harder
to care about the things that are important to you. Imagine what you could achieve. Imagine
what's possible. And then do the work. Take that step. Take that action. Remember, I'm forever in
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The post-9-to-5 hours are critical for personal growth, as they shape identity and future goals more than work hours themselves.
Intentional habits, like a specific first move after work (e.g., going to the gym or reading), override decision fatigue through implementation intention.
Batching routine tasks—like laundry or meal prep—free up time and energy for meaningful activities such as creativity or relationships.
Action should be taken even when unmotivated, as consistency builds confidence and long-term progress, not just motivation.
Evening routines should focus on energy restoration through meaningful experiences like hiking, conversation, or reflection, not passive scrolling.
Life should be viewed in seasons—some weeks are for growth, others for rest—allowing for balance and realistic goals.
Small, daily choices compound over time, leading to transformation, as seen in examples of creative development and skill-building.
True fulfillment comes from showing up consistently for what matters, even when it’s hard, rather than seeking temporary relief.
Summary:
The episode emphasizes that the hours after work—often overlooked—are where personal transformation truly begins. Instead of blaming lack of motivation or time, the focus is on intentional, repeatable actions that build momentum over time. Key strategies include creating specific if-then plans for the first move after work, batching daily chores to save time, and taking action regardless of mood.
The message counters the belief that motivation must precede effort, arguing that consistency builds confidence and competence. Life is viewed through seasonal cycles—some weeks are for growth, others for rest—allowing for sustainable progress. Small, daily habits—like reading, walking, or calling loved ones—accumulate into meaningful change.
The episode highlights real-life examples, such as a creator who spent years editing videos or a young athlete practicing free kicks, showing how dedication leads to long-term success. It warns against escapism like doom scrolling, which offers only temporary relief and undermines recovery. Ultimately, the goal is not to do more, but to do what matters—repeatedly, intentionally—and to build a life of purpose, energy, and fulfillment through consistent, self-aware choices.
This shift in mindset allows people to reclaim autonomy and build a future they truly value.
FAQs
The hours after work are crucial for personal growth and shaping your future. They should be used intentionally to build habits, reduce decision fatigue, and create energy, not just to maintain the current lifestyle.
It sets the tone for the rest of the evening. Behavioral science shows that habits are driven by environmental cues, so choosing a specific action (like going to the gym) helps break autopilot patterns and increases consistency.
Routine tasks like laundry, grocery shopping, cleaning, and email management are batched to reduce daily time consumption and free up energy for meaningful activities.
Consistency builds confidence and momentum. Starting small actions, even when tired or unmotivated, creates evidence of progress and helps build long-term habits and self-trust.
Evenings should focus on recharging and building energy, not just recovering. Activities like hiking, nature time, or meaningful conversations help restore energy and create a sense of purpose.
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