‘Aliens’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

the rewatchables brought to you by the ringer podcast network where you can find the big picture with sean fantasy yes sir you can find the watch fucking car himself chris ryan wow game over man you could find craig horbeck we finally fixed this camera hey i'm not in the ringer fantasy football show um yeah we figured out how to not make craig look like he's filming a hostage video so that's good and it is the 48th anniversary the summer of one of the most requested rewatchables in the history of the rewatchables aliens a movie cr side-eyed me on many times yes just wondering when it was going to happen threatened to quit over i said i would definitely quit if he did it without me and i would quit if there were certain films that came before it but then we blew past that with with the summer of 26 well now it's the summer of cr it's the year of cr and aliens is next this episode of the rewatchables is presented by the movie mutiny only in theaters august 21st our guy jason statham stars in mutiny the new action thriller from the director of plane i like that movie when an international conspiracy turns deadly that always happens statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission i love one-man missions to take down those responsible and if you're a fan of the beekeeper the bag or the expendables guilty this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see statham in you've sold me one of the defining action stars of the last 25 years doing what he does best i agree with that think die hard on a boat that sounds great mutiny only in theaters august 21st rated r for strong bloody violence in language there you this episode is brought to you by angry orchard hard cider halloween's just better with a scary movie and something good to drink angry orchards limited edition glow in the dark thriller variety pack is the perfect companion it even includes a mystery flavor can featuring the iconic ghost face from scream don't get angry get orchard this halloween find angry orchard in a store near you or visit angry orchard.com angry orchard cider company llc angry orchard.com please drink responsibly angry orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors you go aliens so producer walter hill very fond of his work one of your guys yeah right there um he said james cameron said if if alien could be compared to a haunted attraction aliens should be like a roller coaster that was the premise it's also the structure of the film yeah it's like literally like how it feels watching that movie where that whole first hour it's an hour until you see an alien and it's going up it's going up it's going up getting to know the guys sitting next to him okay a pone okay drake frost whoever and then when it goes down it goes down hard and it then does a loop-de-loop and you get like one minute of like okay it's chill it's chill it's chill and then it goes down again and it's people are throwing up yeah it's relentless people are passing out and that's just roger ebert yeah weirdest review i think he's ever that i've ever read in 452 rewatchable it sounds like he was legitimately traumatized by the movie it really did yeah he was like that was amazing i never want to see it again i'm not gonna watch it again i'm not gonna watch it again i'm not gonna watch it again and think about it do you remember having that reaction do you see it in theaters i saw it on a date which is weird on a date really yeah did she express an interest in xenomorphs it was summer it was the movie to go see um everybody was talking about it and uh yeah weird date movie not a lot happened after you didn't get to set the base no you know ironically at the front door it is a movie about procreation and motherhood i know you'd think maybe she would have some ideas about what could happen afterwards over the shirt stuff maybe yeah i do remember i do remember where i saw it i remember everything about it and i remember just not being able to understand how they made a movie like this this was like i think we and we talked about this with other ones from the 80s like the terminator ahead of their time but still felt very 80s this is like there's no like there i wrote down movies they made in 86 like this is star trek 4 top 10 movies that made it to the top 10 movies that made it to the top 10 movies that made it to the Top Gun, Cobra, Hoosiers, Back to the Future was out the year before, but it still felt like we were in the 80s. This went into the 2000s, and I still don't understand how they made it. It still looks good. Looks incredible. Do you like the 4K transfer, or do you like when it's grainier with the old way they had it? I think he overcorrects Cameron with a lot of the upgrades that he does, and I guess he's been upscaling the stuff to make it look a little bit too clean and too polished, but there clearly are some scenes where they're using rear screen or blue screen behind, and that stuff looks better. When I watched that stuff on VHS when I was a kid, it looked fake. Yeah, the drop ship crashing looks like Jason and Argonauts. So that stuff looks better, but then there'll be stuff where you're watching just an individual scene of two people talking, and you're like, this looks too polished and shiny somehow. But generally speaking, the fucking sets and tech and creativity. The features that they built for this movie, all of which are hand-built. We had this conversation about speed. It's the same thing eight years earlier. It looks amazing. It looks so real and lived in and wet and gross. And well thought out. Yeah, it's just. Immaculate detail everywhere. I watched it on a streamer the first time. Not Netflix, although it is on Netflix in September. And then I watched the 4K the second time, and it was just so many things. The set was really what jumped out, and just the detail. It's nice. What's nice about the 4K and what's nice about watching it on a really good physical media copy is that I think the sound is almost as important as the visuals in this one. And the different effects. Just the fact that the way that the aliens now have an attacking scream or their banshee call when they're attacking people is so piercing if you really tweak it up a little bit. And the little girl scream, too. Yeah. Very good screamer, that little girl. Yeah. Yeah, her one and only screen performance. And yeah, and the same for the James Horner score, which is like where he creates this kind of sonic signature that means every time you hear that sound, you know an alien is striking or coming. And that also pops really well. That he made in 12 hours? Yeah. It's an insane story. James Horner, I feel like we just had him in another movie. Well, he's a big 80s guy for us. I mean, isn't he 48 Hours or is that Jerry Goldsmith? I think James Horner. He's done a bunch of them. And I think he did Terminator or no? He didn't know. That's Brad Fidel. We just did one where he was one of the people. Anyway, 10 best sequels ever. Yes. Did you make the list? I did. Okay. I have a list. I don't know if it's the complete list, but I want to hear what you think. Godfather 2. Terminator 2. Dark Knight. Aliens. Empire. Wick 2. Not a Wick 2 guy. No, I'm not a Wick 3 guy. My bad. Wick 2. Yeah. Lethal Weapon 2. I'm not a Lord of the Rings guy, but everybody says Twin Towers is incredible. Two Towers. And Twin Towers. Two Towers. That's an Oliver Stone film. Different film. Classic me, by the way. I'm not a Lord of the Rings guy, but everybody says Twin Towers is amazing. Before Sunset. And then the 10th spot, I have either Bad News Bears and Breaking Training or Taboo 2. I don't know. You guys pick. Taboo 2. Taboo 2. Considered one of the classic 80s. I have a couple of additions. The way I thought about it was best immediate sequel, which means it's the movie that comes immediately after the original. Okay, so not. So there's some urgency with the sequel. Right. But specifically I said that because I wanted to say from Russia with Love, the second Bond movie, which I think is maybe the best Bond movie. That's a good point. Nobody thinks of that as a sequel, but it's a sequel. I think that's the best one of that era. And. Who was the girl on that one? I can't even. It's Robert Shaw is the villain. A blonde lady. Robert Shaw. Hey, Bond, you fucking pussy. Daniela Bianchi? Yes, yes. And the lady with the toe knife. That's right. That's right. Did you say Empire Strikes Back? Yeah. Bride of Frankenstein? Which is an early one, but one I would include. You didn't say Toy Story 2, but I think most people would say Toy Story 2. One of the great sequels of all time. I didn't say Toy Story 2. I didn't say Rocky 2 either, which has the greatest last 35 minutes, but then you're plodding through the first hour and a half. And it's a little tricky with comic book stuff, but both Dark Knight and Batman Returns are both great sequels that are immediate follow-ups to the previous story. What's your favorite sequel of all time? The only one that didn't get mentioned is Friday the 13th Part 2, which I wouldn't say is like a cinematic masterpiece. Better than the original, I think. But it's better than the original. Best looking girl of all the girls in the Friday the 13th. Amy Steele, right? Yeah. I liked her in that one. I'd probably say. I mean, like, it's not complicated. It's Godfather Part 2. It's kind of a number one draft pick there. because we assassinated you a couple of weeks ago in Lake Tahoe I wanted to I wanted to talk to you guys have you have you revisited the film since we had that discussion no I haven't I was saving it for my next lake trip I thought it would be meta if I was watching that when Craig put a bullet in me were you nervous at all during the trip no not at all not at all look at what my guy Craig did for me you know that's true he killed me he assassinated me Craig why are you here that wasn't me um okay I guess most of those sequels that we talked about did what most sequels do which is that they take the premise of the movie and they just like repeat the story and amp it up a little bit this is the rare case where it they it's a different kind of movie yeah like it's a different genre of movie basically than the original I was basically what Terminator 2 did too true it took it and improved it the things that Alien does so well is that when it starts and especially I can only imagine what it was like to see it why like the first time when it came out it's like it's not abundantly clear that Sigourney Weaver is the hero and star of that film when you're watching it so they kind of give Cameron a little bit of runway there but he takes this franchise essentially now and makes it Ellen Ripley's story you know and fleshes out that character gives her motivation to go back to this planet like gives her all this baggage that she doesn't have and the first one she's just one of six or seven people working on a mining ship so it's just a huge aside from the genre shift it's a pushing all your chips in on this one character which the series itself the franchise itself has flitted back and forth between is this Ellen Ripley's story is this a story about an alien species is this about a mega corporation that wants to use that species as a bioweapon but Cameron was like I know how to do this I know how to make people care about characters and you need someone at the center of this movie that people are going to want to watch how many sequels were actually better than the original film which was also fairly iconic I only thought of five Wick 2 Weapon 2 Dark Knight Godfather 2 and Aliens maybe it's on both because you could argue Alien is as good as Aliens just because it was original I think we should hash that out at the end which we think is the superior film because there's an interesting case for both movies you know I tend to gravitate more toward originality but this movie on its own would have been awesome and I don't even know if it necessarily I mean obviously she has the baggage but I also think it completely stands alone whereas like Rocky 2 you need to see the first one and go through all the steps like normal sequels you need the baggage of the first movie yeah this to me is like an absolute testimony to craft yeah everything all the component parts of making a movie are at such a high level it's not a very original movie at all in fact it's not just the sequel to Alien but it's so clearly just like a Pacific Theater World War 2 movie it's using a very clear archetype from movies that were made 40 years before that and kind of just mapping it onto this sci-fi story but that's an ingenious idea and like that idea deserves a ton of credit but there's not when you look at like each individual character aside from Ripley there are characters you've seen before in movies the structure of the movie is somewhat similar it's just there's an invention around the creature and there's an invention around the way of making this movie because Cameron is I don't know probably the single most important genre movie maker of the last 50 years considering George Lucas hasn't really made very many movies I think you could credibly call him that I get definitely for all my issues with him I would definitely give you that I mean all your issues the fucks they are he spent 15 years making cartoons he spent like he's been directing Avatar movies flew too close to the sun what'd he do well I mean like he abandoned he made four iconic movies like I don't think he knew what to do with his life after the three Avatar movies have made like 8 billion dollars collectively he's obviously like right to do it like financially and lots of people like those movies it's disappointing that he never just made a normal movie after I don't know the mid 90s but you could say he was not making normal movies when he made like Titanic or True Lies like he was always pushing I mean True Lies to me is like a normal like Cameron movie but just like just make a movie where you're just directing some actors and you have some set pieces I feel pretty confident I would actually put money on him making a movie his next movie being a movie that's more in the real world I do I don't think he's gonna make another Avatar style film next do you like those Avatar movies I don't I do I don't Craig when did you see the Alien and Aliens I've seen Alien many times one of my favorite movies all time I have not seen Aliens I had been waiting to do the rewatchable oh man this is awesome are you a sequels guy sure yeah I mean I liked all those movies that you guys listed out I was happy we mentioned Dark Knight yeah I mean if it's done well sure there's been a lot of bad sequels too we didn't make that list that's the problem with sequels is they feel like money grabs or they're just basically repeating the structure of the first movie a lot of the third movies are just like really really really tough scenes I mean you could argue in this movie they do repeat the structure of the second half of the movie in all these different ways there are the same beats right they put Bishop in the tunnel they hit a lot of the same notes it's just left with her and somebody it's the cat in the first movie it's the little girl in the second movie there's a countdown James Cameron you call him Jim or James Jim Jimmy Big Jim Big Jim yeah I don't even know if he's that big was hired to write a story for Aliens in 83 because he had written scripts for The Terminator and Rambo First Blood Part 2 that kind of guy does The Terminator in 84 rips off Terminator Aliens The Abyss Terminator 2 True Lies and Titanic The Abyss is the worst movie of those six and still was a massive success and has a lot of Abyss fans I think they might like it more than that Big Swing no I'm saying the worst of those six it's a pretty high floor sure when that's the worst one he had no stinkers and I would argue if he had just made Terminator Aliens Terminator 2 and Titanic and just made those four movies that's as good of a four as anyone's ever made he's in the Hall of Fame we've been talking a lot about who you can compare Chris Nolan to after the Odyssey and the people who are taking on like these huge big tentpole things and I kept saying Cecil B. DeMille's name you know there's a very short list of people who are like what I do is I'm the biggest filmmaker at the biggest time in movie history and I'm pushing the medium forward on the biggest stage and Cameron was that guy for 25 years I mean for a really long period of time he was the single most grand stage filmmaker that we had well it's like when you guys guest hosted my pod you were talking about Nolan being the guy that pushes things yes ahead which is not something he necessarily thought he was going to do at the beginning of his career right so Cameron was the original guy and then basically passed the torch to him was there anybody in between yeah of somebody who's just Peter Jackson half a decade ahead of whoever else was yeah that's a good call oh Peter Jackson that's definitely right and similarly I think evolved like the craft of movies and the way that like CGI looked and worked in those films and maybe got a little lost in his toys yeah and also made movies that people thought never would be made right you know the same way when you saw Titanic you're like I didn't think anyone could ever pull this off I wonder what the next iteration of that is I don't know I mean the thing about just people punching you in the face as you watch the movie Jackson, Nolan, Cameron, Spielberg is that for as much as they put a dinosaur on screen or put you know the Lord of the Rings on screen or put you know an atomic weapon goes off on screen they all have chops you know like they all to varying degrees know like how someone is supposed to move across a frame of film and how action sequences are cut and how action sequences need to build up and then release and there's just like just a lot of genuine filmmaking chops that go back to John Ford with those guys and a lot of action directors I think modern action directors don't understand that stuff like the most fascinating interviews I read about Cameron or with Cameron are when he's talking about editing action sequences by far because he's doing things that I think are on like kind of an almost other level than anyone I've ever read when he's talking about how he like flops the footage that he's cutting so that he can retrain his audience to not anticipate when cuts are coming I mean it's just like that's savant stuff I mean like to think about how the audience is going to respond to like the tempo and the feeling of like your editing of an action sequence is remarkable there's something cool with him too where he has the same background as all the new Hollywood guys that we revere like Scorsese and De Palma where like he got started with Roger Corman he worked in special effects and production design on movies like I don't know Galaxy of Terror and Battle Beyond the Stars and so he was like a hands-on builder of movies before he was a movie director did he work on Escape from New York? he did work on Escape from New York and solid movie so he knows how every piece of the puzzle works like he understands how everything fits together and kind of like Craig with podcasts that's true a host and a producer he's produced he knows how what every department head is doing that's right he's like the James Cameron of podcasts He can do everyone's job better than this. they can yeah and that's why he would um so i think because he knows how to do all that stuff so well peter jackson's not dissimilar like started out you know with a lot of like very handmade movies so there's a reason that these movies that there's so much attention to detail i feel this way about the avatar movies even if you don't like the avatar movies he's doing things right now that i think we're going to look at in 25 years and be like well this is the person who invented this and this thing that is much more common yeah and there's so many shitty versions of now the avatar films were paved the way for this and that might seem like a sin but it's actually going to be the best example of that kind of work also maybe the only canadian curmudgeon we've ever had well are there other canadian curmudgeons if the tariffs keep going this way we'll probably have some more curmudgeons you know like canadians are like famously good-natured but maybe after about 12 beers we're ready he is an old school this is not a democracy filmmaker i think when it comes to it comes to like i can't wait to talk about the stuff like it sounds like he's pretty collaborative in some ways but not with english people when it comes to yeah he does not like you must love that tea time this is i've never been more down with james cameron than doing the research of this the crew being like no this is a tea break in the middle of this this is where we take our tea break he's like what motherfuckers get to work um the other thing i really love about especially his early period and kind of harkens back to earlier era of a filmmaker all the scorsese and lots of people are like this so he has his guys then his guys are in his movies and he picked the right guys that's how i would be if i was a director but i would just have like who's like michael bean yeah i want to talk about michael just like i'm throwing oh james reamer flamed out i'll get my guy bean yeah here he is you do have your guys you got sal you got house you got jacko you got your team you got cr what about you what about christopher guest is like that too he's like i love fred willard every movie i make he's gonna be in it true and he was never wrong to do so bomb back with eric stolts i know no one has a bunch of his guys no doubt yeah but yeah i like who are tarantino's guys sam jackson who delivers sam jackson's too pricey now for him no he's more like tim roth sam jackson tim roth is a tarantino that's a good tarantino guy yeah yeah i mean uma thurman um did the two aliens movies change how we regarded outer space this is a theme i want to throw out you guys because i'm older than you and when i was growing up as a kid outer space was lost in space the tv show it was star trek um it was a little scary but not too much it's friendly we were in control of things out there um we landed on the moon maybe there's some stuff out there but i think we're okay and then right around here it's like there's some shit out there dudes well but right around here we're also getting et right that was what i was going to say too i think he was friendly he wanted to help us saying is like we're getting close encounters like we just want to study you guys and not hurt anyone i know i think that the alien franchise has this interesting relationship to spielberg and spielberg's conception of extraterrestrials because et feels a little bit like it's not a direct response to alien but it's like a bounce off of the fear that alien drives stokes in the glass half empty yes et and and this movie is kind of like the rejection of the warm fuzzy alien creature that comes more into the fore like movies like explorers and like there's a bunch of movies that come out in the 80s they're also post et they're like friendlier yeah alien life movies yes and this movie is a rejection of that but this movie i also think is so it jurassic park owes this movie so so so much because everything that you see in the stan winston creature design and the way that the world is built is and the way that the chases and the fear works like the i had never really realized how much the um kitchen sequence with the raptors in jurassic park owes to the chase sequences through the lab and the tunnels in this movie like when burke traps her with the alien in the med bay exactly like those and it's the same creature designer it's stan winston who's like a genius of designing these these creatures and putting them on screen and there's this interesting thing where this they can kind of go toe-to-toe with spielberg over this period of time and it almost feels like they're in this unspoken like one-upmanship game that i really like and on the other side you have like star trek 4 right where they're like beam down there and we'll just shoot some aliens and beam back up yeah we'll call it a day i think there's probably also one of the things i think is really influential about this iteration of the alien story is like creating a real cynicism about companies and about companies that get too big and companies that exist outside of the law and that's been something that i think the tv series that just came out on fx alien earth is very focused on is like why would a company want something like that and bring it back to earth what what's the hubris it would take to think that you could control that so i think that that also has something to do with jurassic park where it's like these guys who are like i can master the thing that can't be mastered and i can't master the thing that can't be mastered and i can't master you know would you compare this to how the fantasy guys did the fantasy draft order for our league this year you know honestly yeah as a shareholder in the fantasy draft thoughtless why were we not asked to participate we were going to wrangle 12 people to come in and swing golf clubs we're doing it on friday and you're not coming i had signed up it was until i until i knew my fate was going to be relying on dk shanking it into the pacific ocean he didn't know it was your ball it's randomized it's just literally random it's just a fun way to pick out of a hat like freely admitting he'd never swung a golf club it's off shameful what a shameful act kelly it was random hit for high fits right the balls were random we didn't know which balls we were hitting we all took four shots each we had no idea whose ball it was yeah same sin as last year when you hit mine there was a little bit of like luke skywalker put the blast shield down i felt you in my in my ear it's it's it's overconfidence in your own ideas there was no there was no vetting with the rest of the crew this is avatar yeah um that's right it's a cameron-esque move does your craig does your generation fear outer space or like it to speak for my entire generation 35 and under uh outer space to be honest glass half full or glass half empty well i feel like it wasn't until elon started talking about going to mars that that it felt relevant to us i feel like i was just gonna say that i was gonna say does it is it we don't think about you at all with space space has not really been a part of my my childhood am i experience yeah i feel like american culture just pressed pause on on space in general it felt like the 80s there was just so much conversation about it yeah what else is out there then the movie started well you and you just did apollo 13 and i feel like in the 90s there was this kind of swoon of nostalgia for astronauts yeah and then that is right when it kind of started to trickle off to me honestly culture didn't help yeah that's true i think we go at all the fact that all of the like mega rich dudes are the ones leading whatever space race there is now it just makes me feel like i'm either never going to be able to afford to go there or if i do wind up there i'm going to be mining on mars you know like i'm going to be working on some like farm for like and that's what these movies a total recall is about the same thing for sure you know but but like total recall is really important for this conversation too because that's four years later it's equally like really cool not as not as detailed as aliens but a really awesome movie yeah um but that's like now we're like okay weird shit's out there this could go really bad all that cynicism that chris is talking about is in the movie yeah and i think that's the thing that's the thing that's the thing that's in that movie too where it's sort of like you're just a cog in the machine and there's bigger forces at play that are controlling you and even if we have created a society where we can get to outer worlds and travel across the universe it's still the same old shit as it is here on earth you know what's interesting though with the books and the radio shows from like the 30s 40s and 50s there's a lot of outer space stuff and like war of the worlds and but i think part of the problem we just couldn't make movies and tv shows that looked realistic for what we would have thought like going to a planet would be exactly we didn't really have the technology until this movie speaking of total recall doesn't go anywhere it's here cameron had the whole cast read robert heinlein's starship troopers novel which i think was written in like the early 50s and then was eventually made into a movie in the 90s which is a movie that it owes like a huge debt to aliens and that was written by the same author that wrote total recall you like that movie oh no dick did no you're right you're right yeah but still same sorry same director is totally kind of speculative ideas about like yeah so it's all there it's all related and this movie is just like insanely influential in terms of like what a sci-fi action movie can be it is a it's a before after movie and there's different genres for that like even halloween is a before after movie it's like they make halloween horror movies are just different after halloween i think the same thing for this there's one other interesting thing that i never really considered until i was doing all the research for this about this movie that i just i met i wasn't smart enough for this i was like i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this i'm i saw it in high school but there's like a weird vietnam parallel to this movie this is very funny because like i was reading about i was doing my research and you know cameron's pretty heavy on this like he's like this is about like a gorilla force is an allegory for what happened and then you read paxton interviews bill paxton like i don't know about that shit but this was at the tail end of the like we did a podcast about this the kind of reckoning of america and vietnam which basically started out as a movie and then it started as a movie and then it started as a movie with movies when are we doing nom month would you be interested in Namath? Definitely. If we get that sponsored? By who? Who would sponsor Namath? You gotta consider two things. Sponsored by Michelob Ultra. I feel like this is a huge line of conversation about this movie. So, obviously he'd just written Rambo Part 2. Yeah. First Blood Part 2. And so that's on his mind as he's writing that movie because that's what that genre of Rambo character is about. And there's three a year coming out about we gotta go back, we have guilt about what we did. Missing in action. This is 86. This is the year of Platoon. Yeah. This is like, this is when this is all happening. And there's these great stories about these two guys who turned down parts in Full Metal Jacket to do Aliens. Yeah. And they're kind of the same movie. I mean, they're about many of the same things. We shouldn't go back. Why are we going? What are we getting out of this? This was stupid. We're trapped here. We can't get out. Basically the same thing. Pretty interesting. I missed it for 40 years but now I'm here. Yeah. It seems obvious but I think it's just as simple as launching you 100 years into the future and putting you on another planet and you get so swept up in that world that you're only viewing it about the consequences of the characters in front of you. All the coming out of the wall stuff. All the like, I was short. I was going to be out of here in four weeks. Like you could, you could take that dialogue and put it in a Vietnam War movie. Sigourney Weaver. One of the all time fearless, great action movie performances by an actress. Linda Hamilton. T2. Charlize Fury Road. Uma and Kill Bill. Sigourney. I think that's Mount Rushmore. Rushmore? Anybody else? Awesome list. It's like the four that stand out above anything else you could throw. It's the movie I always wanted Angelina to make and she never made. We were talking about that with Flops where it was like she has a couple where you're like she's scratching at it but she never got there. There's a six year run to Tomb Raider but she never had a movie like this but that's like once a decade. Yeah, I mean a lot of it is the filmmaker. This is the only one that's ever been nominated for Best Actress. That's the other thing is that this kind of performance doesn't get acknowledged in a wider way. It's kind of just like set to the dustbin of genre but she's in this place where she's this highly skilled actor who can work in a lot of different kinds of movies and a couple years later she wins an Academy Award for Gorillas in the Mist and she's also coming off of Ghostbusters. So like is there a more versatile actress in all of Hollywood at this time? Marlee Matlin wins for Children of Lesser Gods Sierra and I just did this for about last night. We wondered if Demi Moore could have snuck in there. I honestly thought you were just going to say we just did Children of a Lesser God on the rewatchables and I didn't know about it. I was like, holy shit. It was Jane Fonda Morning After, Sissy Spacek, Crimes of the Heart, Kathleen Turner, Peggy Sue Got Married, and Sigourney for Aliens. At the time, I don't think it was controversial and I think I think Marlee Matlin's really great in that movie. It's a tough one but I don't know who else could have been in this movie in 1986. Yeah, it's a historical Oscar win. There was a really good documentary about Marlee Matlin that came out a couple years ago and when you learn about what her relationship with William Hurt was like and what she was going through, I had a lot of empathy for her life and experience but it's an easy one to be like, no one has seen Children of a Lesser God. It's a movie that kind of disappeared from the culture. Yeah, five-year Oscar, she probably still wins but I think if we go 40 years later Oscars. This is also a very cool story of Sigourney kind of betting on herself and being like, if you want me, you're going to have to see TC and I have some notes about what I think the characters could do. It's like what you pulled was see our year. That's right. Well, Rich was a very effective negotiator. You're like, I need my own month for the rewatch bus. I need LeBron James in a Sixers uniform. I'm just imagining. I need to do Aliens. Rich on Game Over doing like a whiteboard of like, here are all the places Chris can go. Also, the name of his show is Game Over, man. Max is like, so you're dealing with a talent like Chris Ryan. How much are you talking to him every week? Oh, you busted out your Kellerman. Yeah. Is it something where you go back and forth with Bill Simmons and then you talk to Chris Ryan? How do you handle that? Can I give you Sigourney's 79? Will you blind call Max Kellerman? I bring Max in later for the director's commentary. Alien, Ghostbusters, Aliens, and Working Girl. Were her four best in like an 11-year span, but she also had Eyewitness, You're Living Dangerously, Deal with Century, Gorillas in the Mist, Ghostbusters 2. You could only Deal with the Century is bad. All those other movies are good. And Eyewitness is like just a 10 out of 10 Tubi movie. See it on Tubi. Just press play. So at my birthday party that you were at a couple weeks ago, a friend came and he pulled the I'm trying to get you some physical media that you don't own. And he gave me three, three discs and one of them was a copy of Eyewitness, which is very rare. And I didn't own it. He nailed it. Was it Elon Musk? Well, it was not. He was not invited to my birthday party. So I didn't prep you for this. I didn't prep you for this and it's going to make you mad that I didn't. Okay, great. You can make a case that Sigourney won the 80s as for actresses. I'm going to go through the 70s, 80s, 90s, 0s, and 2010s. I think it's Meryl. Well, here we go. For the 80s? Yeah, because we just did this on the big picture. Hold on. 70s. It's Faye Dunaway and Jane Fonda in the finals. Yes. Diane Keaton's not in there? I don't think so. Diane Keaton's in The Godfather and Annie Hall. I don't think she's as big as either of those two. He doesn't get Diane Keaton. I do get Diane Keaton. I just don't think she was as big as Jane Fonda in the 70s. Can we slip Annie Hall into Vietnam? Jane Fonda was leading major movies for 10 years and getting Oscar nominations and winning Oscars. As was Diane Keaton. Yeah. All true for Diane Keaton as well. I would say, second half of the 70s for Diane Keaton all the way through for Jane Fonda. Maybe. Continue your list. Same for Faye Dunaway. Yeah. I think all three of them are in a healthy conversation. I have Diane third for that one. Okay. 80s. Sigourney versus Meryl Streep in the finals. Sigourney, more movies that would be on this podcast. That's what I was going to say. Meryl with the hardware. Yeah. Sigourney is in better films at that time, but having just watched Cry in the Dark for the first time, I'd never seen that. Meryl Streep's performance in that movie is astonishing. It is like, there's a reason that she is who she is. Is that Dingo Ate My Baby? And I'd never seen that movie. I mean, Silkwood. I was randomly watching Sophie's Choices in the 80s. I was watching Heartburn on Pluto this week. Heartburn's an awesome, great movie. She's fucking awesome in that movie. Yeah. I don't know what Jack Nicholson's doing in that movie, but it's enjoyable. I don't know what he's going for. He's playing Carl Bernstein. We might have to do that on Rewatchables. It's a really good race. It's a great race. 90s get interesting because there's no dominant, awesome actress unless you want to go back with Meryl, but basically, it's down to Julia, Meg Ryan, and Rene Russo, who I think actually, you could make a case wins the 90s because she's in the most fun movies. In The Line of Fire, Lethal Weapon 3. She's in Tin Cup. Yeah. Thomas Crown Affair. She's got bangers year after year after year. I think even, I can't remember if Major League was 90 or not, but she's just, all the way through, she's in everything. The 00s, I think it's Winslet or Angelina. And it's probably Kate Winslet wins. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, at what point, tough for one for actress. At what point does Kate Blanchett get into this conversation too? Maybe third place. And then the 10s, I think Emma Stone wins the 10s. Yeah. J-Law's in there, but not totally. It probably could've been better. But anyway, the point is, Sigourney's in the finals in the 80s. Wow. I knew this would blow Sean's mind. I wish I could prepare for this. I know, I'm sorry. A lot to take part there. I thought of it this way. This morning, as I was having coffee. No argument for me. I mean, it is an incredible run. It is really an incredible run. I like what you said too. I mean, she's, well, one, she still works with Cameron. She's in all the Avatar movies. And she's still active. She was in like three movies last year. She's in her 70s. And she can do any kind of part. She can still, she's such a unique looking person. There's no one who looks like Sigourney Weaver. She's in the friggin' Mandalorian, right? Yeah, she was. Very tall, very physical, but not like muscular per se, but just like imposing, but also very sensitive can be really deep. There's just great stuff with the little girl in this movie that is like, you know, that sequence where the little girl asks her about, did you have a daughter? And she tells him, she says she's gone. You know, like that scene is really, that's like a powerful scene. She gets to be a much different person in Aliens than she was in Alien. I mean, not just because of the 57 year nap, but because of like. Sierra, did you ever date anyone as tall as Sigourney? I only dated one girl taller than me. It was awkward. It was awkward. How'd that go? Awkward. Yeah. Say more. How tall? Uh, like three inches, I think. I thought you were going to say like 6'8". 6'8 volleyball player? Yeah. He had the climber. Three inches. I think so. Yeah. Did you feel like you had to wear like thicker sneakers on the bottom? No, but it was just, it just like, it was awkward in the way you would imagine. Craig, what's the shortest girl you ever dated? Maybe a 5'4". 4. Okay. That's the shortest girl you ever dated? Because Craig's like a sneaky 6'8". 2 1⁄2". Have you ever dated somebody you couldn't, like you'd have to date Candace Parker? My girlfriend in college was 6 feet. No kidding. No shit. Tall, skinny Irish lady. Wow. Lady? Yeah. She was great. Was she an athlete? No. Just tall. Yeah. You still in touch? No. Okay. I'm not in touch with anyone. This wasn't the aliens girl, though. No, it was not. Let's take a break and we'll talk about the one and only Bill Paxton. I'm going to look right to the camera for the break for this. For adults with Crohn's disease, or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramfaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramfaya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject Tramfaya, proper training is required. Tramfaya is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with moderately to severely active Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. 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I just wrote down, immediately goaded. His perception of this character was that it would be a person that the audience couldn't wait to see die. And I've never heard someone lack perspective on their own performance like this in my life. Yeah. One of the greatest crimes ever committed against America's cultural inheritance and legacy. Is that Hudson doesn't get in an escape pod and go off and have other adventures that we can have 10 movies just with Private Hudson traveling the galaxy. Yeah, we have that category, right? Could this movie, it's the Proof of Life David Caruso category. Yeah. Should this character have been spun off? Is there any movie that Private Hudson crash landing into and going, What the fuck are we going to do now, man? Like, wouldn't that make every movie better? Rom-coms, thrillers. Boogie Nights. There's a case that this movie has. Which has more potential winners of that category than in any movie that we've done. Yeah. Because there's so many people who you'd want to see on Intergalactic Adventures. It makes it. The reason this movie works is because you care about 80% of the people who get God. You're just like, oh, no, not this guy. Like. I was trying to think about. Not Worsbowski. That's Spongebob. We talked about it a little when he died, but I was trying to think of a non-A-lister who had a higher approval rating. I was just thinking about. It's a classic. Like, what person. Well, Dolly Parton was an A-lister, though. Oh, non-A-lister. Yeah. Yeah. He got close. Because he was in so many big movies. He was. He was in fucking Titanic, you know? Yeah. Yeah. He did Twister. He did Twister, Titanic. Yeah. He was real close. Because I never feel like he was like a Hanks, Costner, Cruise level. But he's like an A-minus lister. But like, all the way up to. Was Edge of Tomorrow his last movie? I can't remember what his last movie was. But, you know, same thing. Seeing him in that movie, I was like, this is going to be a good movie. Always fun to just see him. Yeah. Like, oh, Bill Paxton's in this. I was wondering, there's definitely a new rewatchables category for him. Just from this movie. We've danced around this for over 450 movies. Craig suggested it a couple times. It's better than a Dion Waiters because he's in the movie too much. So it can't really be a Dion Waiters. So it's almost like. I wrote down the Private Hudson game. I wrote down the Game Over Man category for kind of a full movie Dion Waiters. Yeah, it's like. It's almost like Belushi in About Last Night. It's like the sneaky star of the movie. Chris and I just talked about Tony on the pod. And Leah Woodall is in Tony. And he's like the third lead of Tony. And the way I think about it is the guy who picks up the movie and walks away with it. Yeah. The person who doesn't. Like, if it's not the right actor, then you wouldn't think as much about their character. But when you're watching Tony for 20 minutes, you're like, this guy's the star of this movie. And there's times when you're like. Hudson is the most entertaining person on screen. And he's on screen with the woman who'll be nominated for an Academy Award. And Michael Biehn, who's like one of the coolest action stars in the 1980s. So who's the basketball version of that? It's almost like Porzingis in the 24 playoffs for the Celtics. I couldn't care less about that. Come in and switch. I mean, it was OG Ananobi for the Knicks this year. Yeah, that's a really good one. He wasn't an A-lister. But there was a moment in the playoffs where he took over. And he was everyone's favorite Knick. And he was the one who was deciding games. Yes. Yes, that's a perfect example. I don't want to name a rewatchables category after a Knick. Okay, so we'll give it to the 2024 Chris Stapps Porzingis. Porzingis, maybe not either. I'll figure out a good one for this. But it might just be the Private Hudson game over, man. Yeah. It's like a full, it's like a Dion Waiters 2.0. Yes. He's playing like 35 minutes. He's doing all kinds of shit. Also, does he have all of the most memorable lines from the movie? I have, for my flex, I have 10 of them. Okay. There you go. We'll come back to him later. We also have Michael Biehn as Dwayne Hicks. Most unlikely Dwayne in a while. Kind of a Reggie Cleveland. James Remar is not a Dwayne. Dwayne Hicks is like the Browns took Dwayne Hicks. He's going to be a great defensive end. He went to the University of Miami. Instead, Michael Biehn is Dwayne Hicks. Paul Reiser is Burke. A lead film performance. We're in prime Paul Reiser territory here because he's between two cops. This is his first act. His first movie performance. Well, he was in Cop One, wasn't he? He was in Cop One. Very, very briefly. Cop Two, very important. Yes. And then eventually on Mad About You, a show that was mocked for years and years by people my age. Not bad. Very sappy. Sure. Lance Henriksen as Bishop, the android. Can't wait to talk about him. Carrie Henn as Newt. I think this was it for her. For one and only. Yeah. And then Mark Ralston as Drake. Yeah, Mark Ralston. I could be a friend to you. Anybody come at you yet? Oh, sweetie. He played Boggs in Shawshank. The head of the sisters. The rapist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. One of your favorite film characters. Well, no, you're really, you're going when I come in and Ralston's just like, last I heard he was eating his food through a straw. So he's in this. And then I don't know if you have any William Hope as Gorman thoughts. I mean, he was the other guy who was trying to decide between doing Full Metal Jacket and this. Never really fully happened. He popped up. He's definitely like a worker. And then finally, Jeanette Goldstein. Yes. As Vasquez. A casting that just would not happen. Our greatest Mexican thespian. Yes. Truly a cinematic icon. I think one of the most exciting, life-changing characters of the 1980s for many men and women. Yeah. And also a wildly politically incorrect choice. I got to say, I didn't know. I didn't know for 20 years that she wasn't Latina. You were like, I wonder who Jeanette Goldstein plays in this movie. I just thought like her mom was Mexican or something. I didn't know. No. I knew a lot of Jeanette Goldstein's on Long Island. I can tell you that. Were you attracted to Vasquez, Greg? I'd probably pick Ripley. Okay. Lean Ripley. You like him taller. Sure. I was attracted to Vasquez, in case you were curious. I love Vasquez. She pops. How could you not love Vasquez? A couple categories for her later. Just quickly, I don't want to go through all the details of how hard it was to make this movie, but we had, they're going to make a sequel. Alan Ladd Jr. is president of Fox. He leaves. Replacement doesn't want to make it. Thinks it's too expensive. The two producers from the first movie, Walter Hill and Gordon Carroll, start suing Fox for unpaid profits from aliens. So now the movie's dead. Cameron writes a treatment anyway. Studio, eh. They try to sell it, the sequel, to my guys, Mario Kassar and Andrew G. Boczno. Well, I still don't think we're real people. I think they were fronts for an Iranian movie company or something. They made some of your favorite movies ever. Right. Just two of the goats. Lawrence Gordon takes over Fox. He's like, what are we doing? Let's do this. He's like, I would have had Alien 2 up and running two years ago. Cameron's like, I can't do it yet because Schwarzenegger was making Conan the Destroyer, which he was contractually forced to make, delays Terminator for nine months. So now they're just on hold. And that gives Cameron more time to basically develop the whole story. So it turns out to be the best thing for the movie. He's got nine months to. Basically work on this. He wants to direct. They're like, who the fuck are you? You've made Piranha 2. That's not happening. Terminator comes out. They're like, you'd love to direct? That sounds great. He's married to his producer, Galen Hurd. They're not yet married. They're about to get married. They want a budget. Fox will abolish them. They quit. So now it's dead again. And then resuscitated. They want Sigourney Weaver. Fox is like, she's going to want too much money. Can't do it. They quit again. Comes back. They get married. Movie gets greenlit. There's one really. great wrinkle of the Sigourney negotiations that gets reported a bunch, which is that they're going back and forth about her salary and whether she's going to do it. And it seems like she's not. And they're hitting some sort of deadline. And Cameron calls Schwarzenegger's agent and is like, well, we're going to quit because it sounds like she's not going to do it or she's taking too long. And it leaks back to Sigourney's agent. And so Sigourney then is pushed. Was it that or was it they were inquiring about Schwarzenegger's availability? No, I think it was because like the threat he used was that like Newt would be older and would be the star of the movie. Oh, I see. And that they would get a different person and basically transpose a lot of Ripley stuff on the Newt. Rich, before CR, the year of CR, you made it clear to Barstool that CR might be interested in potentially leaving. How did you play that out with The Ringer and Barstool? If you went to Barstool, would it be it's the Chris Ryan show with Chris Ryan? Or would you like, how would you would you like seek your own kind of micro empire? Like, how would you want to do it? Would you be Barstool CR or Barstool Chris? I would just go to be Dave's Andy Richter. I think that would be, I think the learn the feat of the master. You're on the side when he's eating pizza? Like when he's doing emergency press conferences, molding the key light. Great one, El Prez. Well, they make the movie and it goes terribly during the movie. And people are quit. He fires his AD. Horrible shoot. I rarely in the rewatchables research, does somebody fire their AD and their cinematographer? We could just say he shot this at Pinewood in England. The deal with Pinewood back then, I don't know if it still is, but back then is you shoot at Pinewood, you use Pinewood people like the crews there that are there. A lot of the artisans that are there. And they're used to doing it their way. And so Cameron would show up and Dick Bush, great name shot sorcerer was the cinematographer and he was like, cool, like I'm gonna light this like you can have your ideas, but I we light things in a certain way. And I'm gonna and Cameron was like, what the fuck are you doing in my movie and finally got rid of Tim brought in Adrian Biddle, who's really Scott cinematographer at the time. He's not yet. He's not. He's only on commercials. It's a great story about Adrian Biddle coming in because Biddle was the focus puller on Alien. And so he's working with a camera guy. He was only the camera guy. He tries to hire the cinematographer from Alien and he's not available. So he hires this guy, Adrian Biddle, who was like a professional swimmer in the 60s and an underwater underwater photographer noticed his skills and hired him to work on on Her Majesty's Secret Service to take photographs. And then he gets involved in photographs, filmmaking. He starts working for Ridley. He's the cinematographer on the 1984 Apple commercial. No way that blows up. And then his first movie that he gets is Aliens on Ridley's recommendation. And then he goes on to shoot Princess Bride, Thelma and Louise, Event Horizon. He goes on to make all these great movies. So it's this amazing like sliding doors thing where also Ripley and Cameron have this like they respect each other. It's not like it's a little chilly. Yeah. But but he does give him Adrian Biddle. It's like he's making Aliens, too. You're kind of rooting against it if you're Ridley Scott. It is kind of weird. It's like we don't really see this a lot. I guess maybe the Star Wars sequels had a little bit of this, but we don't really see franchises that go up for grabs. Like usually someone's like, I fucking own this. Like Chris Nolan's like, I run this Dark Knight trilogy. Like this turned into like Ridley had been interested in making another one. He gives like a 1984. view where he essentially broadly sketches out Alien 2 would be basically what Prometheus winds up being. It's like the origins of the alien species and all the mythology behind it. And, well, I disagree with you there, but the point being. I just don't think that should have been Alien 2. But then, like, Cameron coming in. Well, I'll save this for later, but Cameron coming in, like, changes who's the author of the franchise. The truth is that the real authors, not authors, but the real controllers are Giler and Walter Hill. Those producers, those are the guys who have been allowing this to kind of continue to roll out over the years. And there's been a lot of. You know, Daniel Bannon is a figure in this, too, in terms of like, who really owns the ideas of Alien. Pretty big fuck-up by Ridley Scott. I'm not letting go of the Alien franchise. And he's not letting go of it now. Like, he keeps coming back to it now because it's such a big part of his legacy. He's gotten, like, multiple guys, like, let go from the sequels. Today it was announced that he's developing another Alien movie around David, the Michael Fassbender character from Prometheus. So. This movie took so long to finish that it barely got done. They barely scored it in time. They didn't even have time to test it, etc., etc. Doing a category before we even get to Roger Ebert. The Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Filming concludes at Pinewood. Cameron tells the crew, quote, This has been a long and difficult shoot fraught by many problems. But the one thing that kept me going through it all was the certain knowledge that one day I would drive out the gate of Pinewood and never come back and that you sorry bastards would still be here. That's how I closed the shoot. BS' last day at Spotify. Cameron! I mean, that really should have been my last day at ESPN. That's how Sean quit the Winger Fantasy League. I should have gone to Bristol and said that and left. Why didn't I think of that? Could have flown into Bristol. Guys, meeting. Amazing stuff. Alien universe. Two more sequels. Three in Resurrection. Alien Romulus. TV series Alien Earth. Prometheus. Covenant. And then Covenant. Just keeps going and going. Covenant. Have you seen Covenant? Do I need to? I think you would like it. It's really cool. And it's actually the one that is pretty close to this just in terms of it's like insane violence. How many years ago? And intensity. It's 2017, I think. $18.5 million budget made allegedly $183 million. I have to think I've made more than that. It's probably some just a shaky accounting. Printed money since it's had like 15 different releases over the years. That's the thing. You have what you allegedly made from the movie. But if you spawn 10 sequels, I feel like that's got to happen. I think I've accidentally bought this movie like eight times. Is this movie rated R? Yeah. I can't remember. If it is, it's got to be one of the highest degrees of I snuck into this movie. I think it was rated R. Ebert, three and a half stars. I've never seen a movie. That maintains such a pitch of intensity for so long. It's like being on some kind of hair raising carnival ride that never stops. The movie made me feel bad. It filled me with feelings of unease, disquiet and anxiety. I walked outside. I didn't want to talk to anyone. But then he said it is superb example of filmmaking craft. Raj, tough summer for Raj on the rewatchables. He's really been all over the map. It's interesting to read accounts from back. I'm not a fan of this movie because Galen heard has a story of like going into a screening of it somewhere and like a couple's on a date and the woman's gripping like the chair so hard that she breaks the armrest and I'm like, I think this movie is really intense. I find alien in some ways more like terrifying, you know, and more like difficult to deal with. I think the scene when the scene at the breakfast table when it comes out. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's scary. I think in this movie. But this movie is very scary. Yeah, it's an interesting question. I mean, it's not really trying to be scary except for a couple of key moments. There's the moment of the dream when she chestburster it hits her at the beginning of the first rewatchable scene. And then there's the first moment when they're sort of there. They appear the xenomorphs and they but like I guess when they're crawling through the ceiling a little bit. But generally speaking, it is really more of a war. The scariest moment is when the little girls in the water. Yes, that is the number one monster comes up. Classical. Yes, that's a horror movie. Most watchable scenes quickly. Ripley's nightmare. Yet again, proven that cats are evil. See how the cat act in that. Cats. Cat. Cats suck. I like cats. I do. Next one. We meet the crew. We get some Vasquez pushups. Pull ups. Pull ups. I mean, meet the Marines. Incredible scene. Did anyone ever mistake you for a man? She flips it on the guy. We get the knife trick with Bishop. And then Ripley finds out Bishop was an android. Not happy. We also got the a-pone giving the like wake up speech. She was like, all right, sweethearts. What are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed. The glory is here in the core. That was like a mildly racist 80s trope of the black like troop leader crossed with the black police sergeant that would just get mad at whoever it was. Yeah. But remember Bernie Hamilton was in like five police movies. He's like, Fancy, get in here. Yeah. You think this is Inspector Todd in space? Yeah. Memorably parodied in Last Action Hero, right? Yeah. Jack Slater's got one of those guys. Ripley just did not like that Bishop was an android. Not a fan. No. Unhappy. The next one. Crew finds the facehuggers and realizes the little girl's on board. Pretty good scene. You have one before that? I mean, I have a bunch. I was trying to narrow it down to like eight or nine. This is kind of a Boogie Nights potential of like you could go through each scene and be like, here's why this one's rewatchable. Next one I have is we've got a live one. When they find the woman in the cocoon. Kill me. Alien comes out of her stomach. There's about a 25 minute stretch here. Yeah. I don't know. I don't even know what to do with this part of the scenes. Ripley's making the deja vu face as she's watching from the monitor. It's the ambush. I would also say that this ambush scene. Something's moving, but it ain't us! I'm trying to remember what. Because I didn't know this at the time, but now when I was watching, I was like, is this the first found footage horror movie since Cannibal Holocaust and really the second ever? Oh, interesting. It's a great call. Seeing it from that perspective. You're right. They're watching it all through. You only get. There's a couple of cutaways but you mostly get it through their cameras. They're all around us, man! Coming out of the walls, man! Gorman. I wrote down he melts down like De'Aaron Fox in the finals. Wow. Yeah. Just repeatedly driving Carl Anthony Towns. Thank you for your service, De'Aaron. And then Ripley takes control of the Tesla SUV. First Tesla SUV. It does look like a Cybertruck. And then Boggs dies. Boggs does die. Yes. Among others. It's sprayed with acid. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, where's Bowski Frost? They all go down. Yeah, man. That whole scene is. This is when the movie's like. Oh, my God. Yeah. Bishop volunteers to go back to the transmitter. This is just. Paxton's just cooking. Maybe you aren't up on current events but we just got our asses kicked, pal. You can just count me out! And he goes, Yeah, man! Bishop should go! Good idea! Yeah, great idea! Bishop should go! He's so fucking funny in this movie. The, uh, uh-oh, here come the aliens scene when they have that little meter thing. What's that thing called? The trackers. 25, 24, 23. That's inside the room! Yeah. And they look over the ceiling. They're coming. This movie has great, simple tech. Yeah. Like the sentry scene, which I'm sure is coming up where you can see how many bullets are left. Where it's just like. Our dumb brains are just like, we'll go into zero. It's not good. The sentry scene's old. Is that only in Director's Cut? Or is that in the theater? I think so, yeah. And I watched the Director's Cut for this. Yeah. Which I think is the way to see the movie now. Interesting. It's two hours and 36 minutes. Hmm. But I think it is so much better. It's really interesting. I completely disagree. But that's fascinating. I'm a traditionalist. I like the original movie. Ugh. I think Director's Cut's so. There's so many things in it that I like. We can talk about things I like in it. We did a Director's Cut to this. I should have been like, Ah, man. We should have done five more Rich Paul minutes. I'm going to go back and re-edit them. It's not too late. Ripley realized the aliens are above him in that part where 15 meters, 12 meters, 10 meters. There's just no better gimmick than that. You're reading it wrong. Burt just goes full asshole. We're like, oh my God, this guy. I love when the bad guy, who is now revealed as the bad guy, does the thing where he locks everybody else out. Yes. But you know at some point it's going to backfire on him. Hudson has the bad guy. That's the best death scene ever. I mean, do you want to litigate this now? He's finally a hero. He's finally brave, right? It's nice and quick. The entire movie, he's been the scaredy cat and he's been the one that's just like, this is fucking bullshit. I want out of here. And then when he finally gets confronted by these things, he's like, let's fucking go. Burt dies and then Gorman blows up himself and Vasquez. And this all happens in six minutes. That's also a great death scene. I mean, the Vasquez and Gorman together. What did she say? You always were an asshole, Burt or Gorman. This has to be, at least for me, most rewatchable. The trackers and the dots is the best to me. The cut when. Craig, were you holding on for dear life during this part? Yeah, I watched this last night at 1 a.m. on my laptop. Just having a real time. When Michael Biehn pops his head into the vents and looks and very quickly, you see them coming out of the shadows. You see them coming. Especially for 1986. That's Gordo. So good. Yeah, seeing his eyes peek above. So good. With the sound. Quickie mentioned Newt dropping into the water. And you're like, just get back in the water. We're going to come get you. And you're just like, oh, man. That was what I had written down for Gordo, was the creature rising from the water. Great scene. This is 1986. Like, the fucking creature work in this movie is insane. It's so far beyond anything that was happening in movies at this time. Ripley goes back to save Newt. And she realizes she's in alien egg Erewhon, basically. Alien egg Erewhon. Oh, my God. The Hailey Bieber egg zone. He goes full Rambo. Bishop shows up just in time. Punch it, Bishop. And then the whole ending with Bishop getting disemboweled. Yeah. I have some thoughts on that. It's like a lobster claw. Get away from her, you bitch. The holding on while you might get sucked out of space. A classic. The airlock. Always wear a total recall of the same thing. A lot of movies have done this gimmick. I feel like every time you're getting sucked out, I don't think you're just like, oh, I'm going to hold on to the ladder. Like, it's got to be. And it's in 2001. There's a version of it in Project Hail Mary. Yeah, it's good. Gravity has it. And then Bishop saves the day with one of the great ideas in the history of any of these movies. The disemboweled guy. Grabbing the arm. Android, I should say. What do you got for most rewatchable CR? The tracker scene. All the red light. They're coming through. I would see that or the ambush, but I think it's the tracker scene. John? To me, it's the. The ambush. The penetrating the alien hive. And the genuine fear on the faces of these guys and women who are presented as the meanest motherfuckers in the galaxy. Especially after they're told they can't use their guns. Yes. It's a very Vietnam-esque, Vietnam movie-esque scene. Yeah. It's more on unknown terrain. We don't understand the enemy or where we are. CR, what are your top five movie disembowelments? The Hitcher? This is a big year. It's a big year for embelliments. There's not one that jumps to mind. I'm sure, like, listeners. It's gotta be this one, right? It's a great one. I mean, to me, he gets, like, twisted in half. It's not even. My gondoli was actually the sound that Bishop makes when he's torn apart, which is, like, between a pop and a thwip. Like, I've never really heard that sound in a movie before, but it's so burned into my mind. Also, the fact that, like, Android anatomy is basically, like, a bunch of milk with squid. It's disgusting. It's so gross. It's like a bunch of chowder just comes out of the guy. It's so good. It's such a holy shit moment. Most 86th thing about this movie. I was gonna say the Vietnam overtones for me. Mm-hmm. And then the fact that a female lead action character being a badass was considered to be this novel, amazing concept for a movie. Now it's like. I had Michael Biehn replacing James Raymar. That's a great one. In a major role in a movie. Because James Raymar had an incredible cocaine meltdown. Yeah, was he arrested? He was arrested for drug possession, but they said it was for family reasons. 86 was really the peak for terrible cocaine stories. Good, bad, people surviving, people not surviving. Those are two guys, too, where you're just like, James Cameron handed it to you, like, you know? Yeah, really tough. What do you have, Sean? Burke's styling, the way that Burke dresses, which is, like, technically this is supposed to be, what is it, 21? 33 or something? It's years in the future. But it looks like he just walked off the set of Beverly Hills Cop with his weird blazer. Metroid? Did you play Metroid as a kid? I didn't. I loved Metroid. One of the very first NES games I ever got. And one of the amazing reveals was that Samus, I think Samus, the lead character for Metroid, who was like an astronaut who wore a helmet, if you won the game, it was revealed, or if you got to a certain level in the game, that Samus was a woman. And that that character in the video game was directly inspired by Ripley. That's not something that you would have seen in a video game before that. That's cool. That the character could be a woman. And I think that game came out in 86 or 87. And Samus was a big Super Smash Bros. character. And then you could change and play her as a woman or the person inside the suit. There you go. The Gundali butter on my ass while he pops my mouth award. What do you have, Sierra? Soldiers getting ready. Oh. All the, like, outstanding shit. Like, when they're all, like, locking and loading and getting ready to go in. It's just, it's never not cool. I have people waking up from pods in movies like this. Because I always think about what's realistic and what's not. Like, I just have trouble waking up at a normal morning. But if you'd been sleeping for 57 years, I don't know. What's your morning breath like? Well, your eyesight might have gotten better in the intervening time. I need my glasses. Yeah, true. Would my eyesight get better? There's a good version of this in Covenant. The wake-up scene. Everyone comes out. Everyone. They always, like, make them dress weird in these things. But I always think that's, like, a good scene. I had this in Picky Knits, but I can't believe they don't let these guys shower after a 57-year nap. Or however long they've been asleep. She was asleep for 57 years. I was thinking about the Borat Saganov rancid body odor award. You know, a couple of these people got a little gamey, I think. I think the breath would have been an issue. Yeah, the breath. Honestly, Ripley's apartment probably smells worse than anything we can possibly conceive of. It's an airtight, one-bedroom place in a space station with a cat and a chronix and a chain smoker. Oh, I didn't think. Yeah, the chain smoker. It's Grey Gardens in there. It's out of control. Never see her actually puff from the cigarette. She holds it like she's just always holding it, though. I wasn't impressed. Noticed an absence of cigarette-related categories. Not like our guy behind Sean. That's a good, our guy behind Sean. Sunny. That's how you do it. Todd Parker Award for Best Character Adjunct for Vasquez comes right out of the pocket. Pod? just fucking doing pull-ups talking shit it's like who's this love it alright what stage is the best what do you got I talked about this before but just the the rollercoaster structure yeah and the idea that you don't see a xenomorph for a full hour like you get the hint of it when they show like her nightmare you see it in the in the medical cage or in the medical you know test tube but the first action it takes an hour to get to that you would never get away with that now it's a good point you'd probably what you'd have now is you'd have a five minute segment from the middle of the movie that is pushed into the front any streamer we're flashing forward to when they're descending on the aliens and then we go backwards 48 hours the director's cut they would have had the colonists discovering the hive first you know what I mean and getting attacked or something which I think is such an interesting and useful scene in the movie but anyway I have a bunch of these I mean one timeless war film like hostile armed forces entering unnavigable terrain against an enemy they don't understand that's every foreign conflict the US has been in for like the last hundred years the physical production of the movie which we talked about you know the miniatures and the sets the tagline of this movie is incredible it was just this time it's war which like put that on a poster that's fucking awesome yeah pretty great the other one is casting a comedian as the villain which I couldn't think of an example of this before this but then you know you've got Robin Williams in Insomnia in One Hour Photo you've got Jim Carrey in The Cable Guy Dennis Leary in Judgment Night Dan Aykroyd in Gross Point Blank Monique in Precious you've got Steve Carell in Foxcatcher did you say Jim Carrey in Batman Jim Carrey as a Riddler like this is something that happens in those Batman movies that's a good one yeah I can't think of another one it's such an inspired idea like Richard Pryor never played a villain he did he did well not in Harlem Night a little bit a little bit that's the end of his career yeah like Don Rickles really missed it he could have been Burke in a different thing those are good ones I had a couple I thought you know we have when we do these sequels when we move into the second movie how they tie the first movie in like Rocky 2 they're just basically like we're just gonna play the end of Rocky 1 again Karate Kid 2 did that most sequels either do that or they try to do some this one is so organic they find her skipping out across the galaxy it really makes it feels like a continuation of the first movie which I think is like the single hardest thing to do Godfather 2 actually is good with this too where we just started the big wedding like we did with the first one but everybody's older and Connie's dating some schmuck and Fredo's wife is being a dick and you can see Michael's got but it feels like a continuation I think that's so hard this has always been one of my biggest frustrations about Alien 3 because it's like is that you know Alien 3 opens with basically the information that Newt and Hicks are dead and that Bishop isn't there and that was what I wanted it to be like when I didn't want them to be dead like Alien 3 is an interesting movie and a very flawed movie we can do this now I mean the vision for Alien 3 was to be part of Alien 3 and 4 at one point where Hicks was gonna be the star of 3 working with like space communists to like fend off an alien invasion and then Ripley was gonna come back big time in 4 Michael Biehn but more so James Cameron were fucking livid when I watched Biehn's podcast that Cameron went on about 3 they were just like you motherfuckers like we did two and a half hours of like showing why these three people mattered showing why what they do for each other gets them to the end of the rainbow and you fucking wipe out all of that equity we built up with like a title card in the next movie it's just such a mistake and it sets the tone for just how like for as much as like there's tons to admire in Alien 3 it is such a toxic like angry movie I only saw it once I don't even remember what happens it's a fascinating development story just because so many different people took a shot at writing the script so like William Gibson wrote the guy wrote Neuromancer wrote like a whole like screenplay you can read online about Hicks for Alien 3 they just they had something special with those three people and I I concur with Michael Biehn Ripley FaceTimes Burke in the beginning I think that invented FaceTime I was wondering about that too I thought it was Total Recall but I forgot it was Alien 2001 has a version of that the video call true remember when he calls his daughter yeah we did talk about that they got holograms and Star Wars I mean people were this feels like a straight FaceTime do they have this in Blade Runner 2 isn't there video phones yes like phone booths I think so every time I see Michael Biehn in any movie I want him to go I came across time for you Sarah I it's great to see him I I think I'm having him on the pot on Friday cause he's in this new movie that Chris and I saw called Onslaught which is very connected to these James Cameron 80s movies and his his career is so freaking fascinating to me he just never got over like that Hanks Costner hump yeah well he's like right underneath he's in I mean he goes up to Tombstone three of the most iconic movies ever yeah and then Tombstone and he plays an amazing villain you wouldn't call him Biehn you wouldn't call him Michael he's Michael Biehn you're gonna say his whole name that's right that's right but like Lords of Discipline Terminator Aliens Rampage Seventh Sign Abyss Navy Seals K2 Deadfall Tombstone 10 years all big Hollywood movies some good some not so good but some all timers and then like nothing yeah let's take a break we'll do more what's aged the best this message is brought to you by Apple Card with Apple 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like electrifying like combination of a guy of guys it's funny that it's in the same year as the phone Berenger and Platoon where like obviously neither of those guys are very funny but they are like alpha and omega yeah you're gonna do some quotes later right yes okay movie wasn't shot in sequence which I was like for what's aged the best and they saved that first scene when they're all hanging out for the last scene of the film because they all knew each other yeah I was like yeah I like when they do that this is just from from IMDB trivia Jeanette Goldstein little more buxom than the character had to strap her assets down and to have that not overpower her scenes and eventually went on to fund a clothing company that made giant bras for particularly buxom people it's ironic because one of my big takeaways when I saw this movie as a teenager was she's got a great rack I mean you know yeah it's not surprising her guns were even more loaded there was more ammo in the closet how do you think that conversation do you think Gale Ann Hurd took that conversation on or do you think Cameron went direct to the source probably not a Cameron probably that was a Gale Ann Hurd like hey yeah anyway here's some electrical tape we'd like you to look into and the 15 minute countdown at the end is exactly that exactly 15 minutes I always enjoy when they do that too yeah great chat Gordo what do you have Sean either the alien emerging behind Newt in the water or I do think when Ripley emerges in the power loader at the end there's a it's a thrilling movie moment I love being obviously going through the ceiling panel and the aliens coming at him there is a shot in a really random scene in this movie where they've got Burke dead to rights they've got Burke sitting and all the Marines and Ripley's Ripley are basically circled around him standing and there is one shot where it's like you see three of the marines and ripley's like telling them what burke did to them and how he was going to try and get embryos into them and then paxton just leans into the frame and he goes fuck he's dog meat you're dead and but it is like so much better than it needs to be where it's like this master shot of all the living characters and then he's just like he's dog meat this is his best performance right because it's it's a pretty loaded list so funny and true lies yeah so i really like him in one false move as like a different kind of performance but yeah this is fucking awesome because we did true lies were you on that one that wasn't sorry it's okay um he's so funny in that movie the the the scene when he pisses himself yes is unbelievable yeah great shot gordo award we did that we did not do the sean fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm i have like at least five should we get spring spielberg i'll try to keep it super tight one the knife game yeah that bishop plays is also played in dark star which is john carpenter's first oh yeah yeah um and that movie was written by dan o'bannon who also wrote alien was that a movie that was written by dan o'bannon who also wrote alien was that a conscious homage i think so i i think so um the second thing is there's a in the extended edition when we are learning about the colonists there is a little kid riding a big wheel that is a very conscious homage to the shining where the kid rides on the big wheel right past the whalen utani sign very much so um which funnily enough because kubrick's shooting full metal jacket in england at the same time that was minus 180 on fanduel for what you're gonna pick okay keep going you have three more there's a probe at the very beginning of the film when they enter ripley's little um escape pod that is a very conscious mimic of the probe that we see at the top of the alien spaceship in 1953's war of the worlds um the one that has a kind of almost like liquid gas going across them okay there is a very overt structural sands of iwo jima nod where you've got the tough sergeant the leatherneck persona the mission structure all the way to the end of the movie and then we have the first blood part two where all of the those specific beats are pulled directly from that movie i already did my adrian biddle bit um and then just the first blood part two and this movie being written simultaneously together are the perfect match of vietnam war storytelling got one more murdoch one more uh fantasy criteria orgasm is the dissolve from ripley in her sleeping pod to the planet during 2001 baby in space fantastic wow it's multi multi orgasmic many orgasms it's more like the sean fennessey jizz room in the criterion classic uh chess rockwell brocklanders were best character name i have a pwn one of my unanswerable questions is it is it a pwn or a pwn a pwn but when hicks is like when he's down hicks is like a pwn a pwn and so i guess gorman is he canadian like in is he a canadian actor an english actor i don't know okay well i don't know i don't know if he's a canadian actor or an english actor i don't know i like bishop that bishop is a good name for a good android name what about spunk my dog name spunk meyer spunk meyer is incredible fast guys is good too and except for the completely politically incorrect part that we're getting in a second uh was there a better title for this movie obviously no way cameron wait can i just can i pitch you a couple of ideas yeah um motherfucker asterisk or alien colon motherfucker yeah or aliens with the money sign like can i just cameron drew on the whiteboard yeah yeah he would do the uh the dollar signs on the s to make it clear that had to be think what do you got for a flex here i have the jesse eisenberg that's good you should be proud of that right there don't worry if you don't make it any further award for the best line reading which goes multiple times bill paxton as private hudson yeah right man bishop should go fuck he's dead you're dog meat pal what do you mean they cut the power how could they cut the power man 17 days hey man i don't want to rain on your parade but we're not gonna last 17 hours hey maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked pal we're on an express elevator to hell going down that's my favorite and then uh in the director's commentary when they use the sentry guns he's like maybe we got him demoralized but obviously the greatest one is all all the all the game over man drop ship crashes and and although how is hudson not been in the director's commentary category i know this whole time what were we doing he do you think that all the mans and pals that he puts at the end of every line were in the script or is he adding i think he i think he was cooking paxton cooking butch's girlfriend award weak link in the film let's talk about this so my line is uh burke's plan to smuggle a xenomorph back to oh you think that's a bad that that's the weak point i just think it's one of the worst plans in the history of movies i had that in picking what could go wrong let's let's bring let's bring this alien back who has been proven to inhabit other people and destroy colonies you can bring them back our way you could argue that's like the criticism of the brain dead corporate state is that that they would think that their emissary would think this is a good idea big thing for this is at what point did he come up with this plan was this always the plan because he knows we net we know from that scene and also from the director's uh cut that they know that this is happening up there so was he like sent up there on purpose to put embryos in whatever he could get into and then bring it all back or was that all of it's insane was that an audible he called at the line when things started what are they going to study the thing's just going to turn into an alien and fuck everybody up well they're gonna they want bioweapons they want to train it to make it a weapon but they can't control it terrible plan what was yours um this is in the director's cut but newt's parents like going to examine the crashed spaceship site but they bring their kids with them yeah what the fuck is that if there's like a loud noise at my house i'm not like alice wake up we got to go explore this what the fuck are they doing this will be a character building experience maybe they didn't have child care that night clearly they didn't but one of them should stay home i think the idea is that if they find it they get like a piece of the discovery why do their kids have to be there look i i would say how do you guys feel about newt oh shit we're doing this now what is this what's what's where would it go otherwise first of all what little kid gives themselves a nickname oh yeah you're not supposed to do that ah i've seen it happen i've seen it i'm not in my family but i've seen it happen i'm just going my real name if you find me in an alien colony hiding from the aliens i'm bill bill simmons call me bs though yeah my name is sports guy i don't know yeah this movie is a little call me the isle of dr simbo what birdmester is this on lv 247 yeah there's a scene missing well there might be in the director's cut which scene do you think is missing ripley goes from zero to a hundred and he's like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die with i am now the mom for new yeah but in the director's cut you find out she had a daughter who died right yes which i think is so important to the fucking movie i don't know why they cut that out so maybe that is maybe that is what the director primary theme of the movie that changed the movie for you i still bought her motherly instincts with the daughter with newt but that would certainly help yeah of course i think when newt gets taken down by the own i'm like bishop we're getting out of here it was good to know newt but i'm out yeah no newt for like two days if you don't know that she's lost a daughter and that she's driven by that loss and that bonding with this little kid is replacing something that is essential to her being then the movie doesn't that's why i think the director's cut is the only way to go the colonists who bring newt along was ripley going on an off-world mining trip really the best use of her parenting time at that moment and alien one no of course not but she had to to make money that's the thing is she had to that that that character that informs that that whole idea of the movie which is like these are these grunts these workers who have to earn yeah so you're saying ripley's backstory it's like if you don't know that cr lost ben simmons that's right leading to how happy he was for jalen brown and lebron james yes without that backstory he just seems like a happy basketball player exactly right he doesn't you don't get the backstory of ben simmons melting down in 21 lebron comes to your team setting aside ai taking the sixers to the finals is your favorite sixers team of the wadala team that went to like the second round of the no it's it's the it's the first iteration of young sixers young process sixers that was like late 2010s michael carter williams no the simmons and bead covington jj oh yeah okay what's aged the worst uh vasquez which was jeanette goldstein's first feature film role um she gained 10 pounds of muscle she also wore dark contact lenses she also underwent an hour of makeup every day to darken her white skin to portray a chicano also studied Mexican-American gang interviews to vote for demeanor and accent. And Cameron has recently acknowledged the controversy and said, we would get crucified if we did this today. Yeah. A long and storied history of this happening throughout Hollywood history. All of the 80s is like Italian guys playing Cubans. You know what I mean? It's pretty frequent. Yeah, I'm not getting holier than thou about it. It's just a funny outcome that Jeanette Goldstein played Vasquez. I was trying to think, like, what would have been the worst movie for this to happen? And it's clearly the first Fast and Furious. Oh, if you had a white woman playing Michelle Rodriguez. But it was Jeanette Goldstein. And by the 6-1, people are like, what the fuck? Like, how do you not have. And they're like, ah. The other thing is it's so evident in Terminator 2 when she comes back, right, as the foster mom. And it's like, oh, well, that's Jeanette Goldstein. That's what Jeanette Goldstein looks like. Where she takes a liquid sword to the head. Yeah. What's some of your other favorite Jeanette Goldstein performances? I only know of two. No, she's in. She's in a lot of stuff. No, she's in. She's in the Presidio? No, the Bigelow vampire movie, Near Dark. Near Dark, yeah. Yeah, she's in. Her IMDb is extensive. For a What's Aged to Worse, you mentioned the backstory with Ripley. I think that is a What's Aged to Worse, that that seems pretty critical, that that's never mentioned, and that's why she likes Newt. And then James Horner not having to write the score. This is a good one. In the shooting script, there's a co-ed shower scene with the troops getting ready to kind of show that they're all equals. And a couple of the actresses were like, hey, can we cut this? But then they use it for Robocop. It's also. I think it's taken from Robert Heinlein, and they do it in Starship Troopers as well. I think a co-ed shower scene when I was on a date in 1986, I don't know how that would have played. I don't know. Well, I mean, your date would have gotten a look at Michael Biehn. She would have seen all of A-Pone. I think I would have killed over. Any other What's Aged to Worse? I mean, killing Hicks and Newt for Alien 3. Yeah. I just wrote all action movies since. Right? I mean, so few movies can hold a candle to this movie. Ruffalo Hannah-Ribnick Partridge over Acting Award. Do we just put Vasquez in here now? I wrote Paxton. It makes overacting an art form. Yes. Because he's the only one who's really doing it. How about Vasquez with the gun? Yeah, it's gestural. You say that now. What is she doing? When we were watching it then, I was like, this is incredible. I will say this. She's really going for it in every minute she's in this movie. The shot early on when she and Boggs are getting ready and she turns the gun up and the camera is lovingly photographing her guns, all of her guns, I think it's worth it. Camera. I was really into her, obviously. What do you have for a flex? Well, I had a couple. I had the Sasha Jenkins Award for Actor who you can't believe didn't become a bigger star for Michael Biehn. But also, the David Caruso Award that we talked about, Stuff of Legends for a character who definitely should have been spun off into their own sequel, also would watch a Vasquez immediate prequel. Like, what was Vasquez doing? Vasquez and Boggs? Yeah. Yes. Boggs and Vasquez? That just sounds like an ABC show from the 80s. Yeah. Boggs and Vasquez. Just bouncing from planet to planet, you know, terminating bugs. Isn't that what the video game is, basically? The Colonial Marines video game? Do you ever play that? Never mind. Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been in Harris' support house. Take a word. I'll go last because my take's an Inferno. Aliens might be the best Alien movie, but it was bad for the Alien franchise. Ooh. Like that. The first film was a horror movie. It's like a slash. Sure, action film, but the aliens were of inexplicable origin, and there was all this ambiguity and mystery around them, and it's like, yes, like you basically leave that movie, and you're like, that was a great horror experience, but you were also like, what the fuck was that, and why did it have a spaceship, and what was it doing in that chair, and all the stuff about it? And Cameron just basically makes it a Ripley franchise for what winds up being three films, you know, going forward, which is totally cool, but I think what should have happened is Ridley should have made his movies, and then there should have been like Ripley movies, but there should have been like Ridley Scott's 1986 Alien 2 would have been incredible, I think. It's interesting because it's sort of similar to Star Wars where they can't get away from the Skywalker saga, even though there's this huge world that they're creating and they're presenting, but people get so attached to those characters that everything kind of feels stuck. Like even Alien Romulus, which was a pretty cool kind of reboot, I think takes place between Alien and Aliens. Like they can't get too far away from that period of time. My hottest take, and I'm not sure if I believe this, but I'll share it here, that this is a better Vietnam movie than Full Metal Jacket. Now, it may not be a better movie than Full Metal Jacket. It's a good hottest take. Phil just did the Alonzo Warding GIF. Because Full Metal Jacket is one of the great training to be in the military movies, and then the second half of the film, which is excellent, but is not as good of a Vietnam movie experience. And it's obviously shot in England. Yes. Similarly to this movie. It's a pretty good one. Get Away From Here, You Bitch. Terrible line delivery. One of the worst parts of the movie. Wow. And it became super famous and iconic. That's just why you're you. That's why he's him. I think they need another take. And there's reasons they didn't have another take because of how they were filming it. Yeah. I think it cost her the Oscar. It's just bad. But it's become an iconic line. Sure. But I think she needed a second take. I think there's a reason Kubrick, Fincher, some of these guys, like, let's run that back. Sigourney, one more time. You didn't quite get it. I think it should have been way more down, more like, get away from her, you bitch. Like, lower. She's just, it's bad. I think Sigourney said that Cameron wanted Bitch to be low-key, not to be, because the delivery is get away from her, you bitch. And then he liked the take for some of it. And then he wanted it to be down. It's just bad. It's hacky. I like it. Thumbs down. Do you like the whole fight with her and the loader? Yeah. Yeah. Craig, I think from going forward, you have to be on hottest take since you're the king of the hottest take. Okay. I think you just have to be ready for this category from now on. Okay. Good to know. Do you have any hot takes? No. I don't think so for this one. Craig's like, he's like Chang. He needs to cook. He's there all day. He needs a sushi. He needs a chef. Yeah, he's got a marinade. Yeah. He needs a sushi. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. Reiser, like a six and a half. I think he's pretty high. I think he's eight and a half. Where do you put the mother alien, though? Well, she's just doing what biology wanted her to do. Not a villain. Just laying eggs and protecting the hive. Yeah, I'm sympathetic to the mother alien. Casting what ifs. You mentioned Weaver wanting a million bucks, which was a lot of money back then. Gets it. Bill Paxton lined up to be in Police Academy two, then got this movie. The role of Zed from Police Academy two goes to Bobcat Goldthwait. Yeah. What a fucking sliding door Zed is. Truly. James Remar, my guy. Right there. Gans in 48 Hours, Ajax and the Warriors. I love James Remar. Lives in my neighborhood. I've seen him in Larchmont, I don't know, 20 times. Do you think you would ever go up to him and be like, what's the alien story? No, I think this is going to happen. I think now that I know this alien thing, this will prompt me to be. You've never approached him before? No. I don't like bothering celebrities. Same. He's having a moment. Oppenheimer and the Odyssey. He's Tiresias, you know? I'm aware. He's back. Remar's back. Remar has never left. There are shots in the movie that you apparently can see his back. Apparently, he had a severe cocaine problem. Was arrested for drug possession during the filming. Is there any other kind? Well, so they're filming this in. I have a recreational. They're filming this in London on some weird set, right? How do you get arrested? Like, what kind of cocaine level was he at? It's probably. Like, partying in the streets. Buying cocaine from somebody he shouldn't have. Yeah, out in the open. Yeah. An undercover body. Yeah. Being available. Showed up within a few days. And then. It was like Friday and he was like, on the set on Monday. And it's so clear. Bean is perfect for this part. And I don't think Remar would have made as much sense. Remar is. There's something kind of hard and tough and, like, not vulnerable about James Remar. And Bean has got. He's courageous, but he's not the leader. Like, Ripley is ultimately the leader in the movie. So, I think it worked out for the best. This is a borderline cast of 1F, but Al Pacino is filming Revolution in the studio next door and came and visited the set. I had coffee with Macaulay! Half an hour ago! Only he would say Ripley. Can you do Pacino as Hudson? Could they fit Al Pacino in this movie? You dog me, pal! You're dead! You dog me, pal! Ripley, you know what you signed up for, baby! Yeah, Al Pacino is Burke. This species has a lot of financial value to the company! I think. - I think they could have made it work. - Yeah. Revolution that's a film Al needs to sell out more like in movies like this like I wish we had gotten Al as like the bad guy in Con Air you know like yeah that's why I love Devil's Advocate yeah that's where he's really going for it you know why you care about Ripley cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it Vasquez that should have been the special edition what are you doing with that tape now we're just yelling what if he was what if he was Apone oh yeah that would be good you know I listen he could have been in every part Joey Pants Award best that guy Mark Ralston we're done Boggs yes I do like Paul Maxwell as Van Leeuwen the guy from the company we didn't really talk about Waylon Yutani in there I guess it can come up in questions Mark Ralston Hall of Fame that guy you just see him you're like that's Boggs Dion Waiters Award I think I don't know what to do with this I have Al Matthews as Apone and also because we went to an aliens screening at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery like before COVID like 2018 19 something like that it was Grantland era early days and like all the Marines showed up to like hang out like to introduce the movie and it was so awesome hysterical screening Chris and I went with Eileen and Phoebe and I'm almost Chris and I were like sat up like stock still like perfectly in perfect posture watching the movie on the ground at Hollywood Forever and I'm pretty sure both Eileen and Phoebe fell asleep within 15 minutes Eileen fell asleep within the opening credits yeah yeah because we had been waiting for like four hours it's a fun date yeah but also I mean you've been on it but also like at Hollywood Forever you just like drink wine while you're watching the movie so they were just getting hammered and we were like Apone no like you know Jeanette Goldstein's not Mexican recasting couch director city Boston you know where would the queen be laying her eggs in Boston Southie yeah not Combat Zone Southie or Over the Hill in Charlestown what if Kubrick and Cameron switched jobs oh Sean well first of all they'd still be shooting aliens yeah they never finish aliens but Kubrick's aliens and Cameron's full metal jacket is an interesting it's really good we all like Michael Biehn yeah we're all fans can I offer you young Kevin Costner as Hicks yeah it's pretty good perfect time for him right it's a year before No Way Out hasn't really broken through yet doesn't have the Terminator baggage did he ever play a soldier like a proper soldier you would have felt like he might take not like yeah I guess that was it would have felt like he might take a crack at Ripley at any point during the movie because he's Kevin Costner uh huh then they wouldn't have fucking killed him in Alien 3 and I think they'd keep him for Alien 3 if it's Kevin Costner I'll do you one better Drew Barrymore as Newt oh that's great Firestarter era Drew Barrymore similar age yeah good one Craig Flex I got a couple with your own camera now first Flex with the new camera I kind of wanted to invent a new one for Bishop which is the William Dafoe this creepy looking guy turned out to be nice really good that's a really good one really good really good really good I didn't trust him the whole time yeah the second I saw him I was like no shot and then at the end I was like wow what a pleasant surprise that's like the guy in Silence of the Lambs who's like the butterfly expert you know yeah that's a good one is that yours yeah I thought you had two well the other one I wonder this is I get why they did it but it's a mini Marion Cabretti pizza cutting award why did they stop this on set so 57 years later Ripley's still just wearing like wife beaters and little underwear 57 years later it's just the same look there's Scott Purcell style I get that they want maybe it's swung back I get that they wanted to look like that in the movie for like you know just cause one of my unanswerable questions is what's what's up with lung cancer in this future because they're all smoking yeah they're smoking indoors they're smoking on spaceships kind of what's happening now in 2026 also the tech is like exactly the same but are we supposed to imagine that they've cured it and now everybody's back doing darts yeah they cured it AI AI figured it out figured out lung cancer I really hope I really hope that happens that'd be great half-assed internet research we've mentioned a bunch of this stuff if you and I are doing rewatchables in 2035 and AI's cured lung cancer and we're just smoking oh yeah it'll be like Frost Nixon there's just a fucking ashtray full ashtray right there leading over what's this smoke gonna look like with these 4k cameras oh god the tea situation the tea breaks the brain breaks the British film industry tradition I just can't get over this it's very good it was my favorite half-assed internet research in a while another good one was they made a cast dummy of Newt because Sigourney Weaver had some back issues and couldn't carry Newt because Newt was you know a 10 year old girl or however old she was at that point so they made a light dummy and you can actually see it I look for it the second time there's some scenes where it's like she's it's like Naked Gun when remember at the end of Naked Gun when he's going down the stairs with Priscilla Presley and he's just swinging this mannequin it's a little it's a little like that I really liked the note about how Carrie Han who played Newt kept biffing takes on purpose when she's supposed to slide down right because she loved going down the slide and so finally Cameron's like if you just please like bathe yourself you can ride down all the rest of the day there's I mean this could be 20 minutes and it's not going to be but if you want to know about how they built the set how they used the replica the miniature stuff like it's all it's a pretty good deep dive I'm not going to do it here there's a four hour documentary called is it Aliens Expanded that you can watch with many many interviews of many many other people who worked on the movie including Cameron all the stars it's really good one of the things we talk about sometimes when we do these movies from the 80s and 90s is before CGI which Cameron talks about if I had CGI I would have done this this and this and this movie but they just kind of had to figure out shit so they're doing the alien and it's 14 puppeteers like moving the alien pieces around and now it'd just be a button yeah they said it was the largest marionette ever created for a film production the guns weigh 65 to 70 pounds which you can really feel like when they're trying to and it's like man have any of these people held a gun but it's because they were crazy heavy and then oh Lance Henriksen caught food poisoning from the milk yogurt and cream thing he had to spew up because the set was hot and the stuff like the bacteria got in and he got like super sick and then the alien nest set kept intact used in Batman yeah it's the axis chemical set and then a lot of stuff about Cameron and H.J. and then there's a whole thing about they had this whole reel the movie's like three parts of it three plus hours there's a whole reel of a backstory with Newt and her colony and all that and they couldn't figure out how to cut the movie down and then Gale Ann Hurd's like just cut that part and he did the thing where he took it out and watched the movie and it was like oh that makes so much more sense so it's just gone but it's worth noting that Sean's pointed out that the Ripley stuff in terms of her backstory with her daughter there's a little bit more stuff with Burke in the beginning all that stuff got cut out Weaver was really pissed about that Yeah She thought she did great work or like that was really important for the character and then Cameron was like when I watched Alien 3 a lot of the stuff that she had been asking for is in Alien 3 so she obviously was able to be like if you want me to come back ironclad I have to do X, Y, and Z in Alien 3 including die Right The film takes place in 2179 but then they've kind of retroactively changed that and made it 21, 22 57 years before Aliens so there's some for the Aliens nerds there's some Timeline stuff Some timeline stuff that does not fit Well related to that too there's a video game that takes place between Alien and Aliens that stars Amanda Ripley which is Ellen Ripley's daughter and she they get word that her there's like information like a log from her vessel so she goes out looking for her mom and that's the premise of the whole game that to me is like that also could have been a movie For sure It still could be a movie Yeah Apex Mountain Sigourney Two years after Ghostbusters This I'm gonna say yes Working Girls the next year She parlays it into Working Girl and Gorillas in the Mist in the same year and wins the Oscar for Gorillas in the Mist I think this is a yes Cameron no No Bean? Yeah Bean probably yes Terminator then this I think so If you're doing like Big Picture Exists 40 years ago and you're doing Biggest Male Movie Stars We joke about the Luke Wilson thing like he did have Harrison Ford juice to him for a minute there Yeah I wonder what you gotta ask him if you have him on the thing I am yeah Paxton no Twister? Is that what you would say? Yeah he's in Twister Titanic Yeah Alien movies? Of the Alien franchise or all Alien films? Alien movies where we go outer space No E.T. is E.T. is still better Alien franchise yes no so hard I think I'm back on Alien I think I was like oh wow I think for the most of my life it was Aliens actually you made me feel guilty that we hadn't done Aliens forever now you're back on Alien but this is still like the second best Alien movie is still a lot better than about last night see how real it is you know like unbelievable no I'm just saying you know how like as you go over in the course of your life you just are like sometimes you're a godfather sometimes you're a godfather too we do Hunt from Red October he's like I don't know I still like K-19 the Widowmaker a little more I would go Alien as well Jeanette Goldstein yes Asset strapping there's some other examples of this I'm trying to think some good ones I mean didn't Jon Hamm have to holster it in a couple things you think he taped it to the thigh there a nut sling I've heard some things he had a cock sling yeah wow well there's a Affleck's like tamed that thing up a little bit man gotta remember who the star of this movie is just one of the guys Joyce Heiser she does yeah she does she's gotta strap him down I mean we literally watch Brandon Teena do it in Boys Don't Cry that's like a whole scene in that movie Paul Reiser no it's coming though not Paul Reiser's Apex Mountain it's mad about you it's mad about you that show is being watched by 25 million people a week it's a massive massive hit but you don't like it I don't like it I never liked it I always used to make fun of anyone I knew who liked it wow thought it was a lame show yeah out on Pankow I was younger I was you know it was the zag was to not like that show I always liked Helen Hunt though on that show yeah yeah I mean it was it was like a bad Woody Allen movie stretched out to 900 episodes but like I kind of like bad Woody Allen movies do you know that they did like a reunion series that was like on Spectrum yeah like it was like directed TV they got Pankow back yeah mad about you had one of the best crossfire annihilations ever when George got whipped on Seinfeld by his girlfriend at the end and realized he made a mistake him and Jerry decided they were both going to get married but then Jerry backed out and then George stayed with his whatever and he's just in some room bummed out and she's like George mad about you starting and he's just like and then he kind of slumps over this was Susan right yeah Susan yeah but I always thought that was like unnecessary crossfire because that was an NBC show that is tough but that was the sentiment of mad about you it was like you're basically your significant other made you watch it do you think will you take the money for the 20 years from now Spectrum funded reunion of the rewatchables cast where everybody who hasn't seen each other in a long time is just like oh Van Lathan Kyle Brandt Craig you're all growns up you'll do it we'll do it it'd be great I'm never letting you guys go so it won't be a reunion what if you can't make my rate at that point by who what if you just can't make my rate at that point you can't hit my number that's true Rich when you realized Bill Simmons couldn't meet CR's rate anymore is that a per episode rate yeah okay Cruz or Hanks I had Cruz as Burke whoa I have I have Cruz as Hicks and Hanks as Hudson Hanks as Hudson yeah 80s Hanks that's pretty good that would be awesome but if you could only have one who do you have I think Cruz as Hicks what do you have I kind of like Hanks in this movie more I like Hanks as Hudson Hanks as Hudson's fun good backup they both would be good I just think Cruz going this is clearly an important species you know you're working on your Cruz yeah that's good 1994 Demi Moore 2003 Angelina 2014 Charlize or 2026 Zendaya for Ripley I had 14 Charlize I had as well I had Angelina and it made me think you made that that great point about how this becomes Ripley's franchise and I wonder if there was a way to pivot this after she dies after three because they try to give you like Winona Ryder in Resurrection you know Romulus is giving you Kaylee Spaney they never quite found Catherine Walker from Waterston Catherine Waterston yeah kind of like Zendaya Charlize is in Prometheus like you never quite get a real inheritor of Ripley's throne Zendaya has that secret height physicality it's just like 5'8 oh I think she's taller than that 5'9 depends on what the part is just a lot of her with the gun going making the Zendaya face yeah ruined space the rude face has rude face replaced shamid face yeah the Rick Cicchetti who is it Rick Cicchetti this is your category yeah but yes I know but it's a reader sent it in yeah I forgot what movie it was the guard beat award for most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander when you start doing this but you're like who is it Derek Derek Gray Derek Black Derek White right like when you when you lose the Celtics yeah we'll have to have an intervention okay whatever however you pronounce that name it goes to the helicopter crash Spunkmeyer and Pharaoh yeah can I also say Pharaoh just going to save some people all of a sudden there's an alien ripping through my heart drop ship pilot Pharaoh yeah throw my life away for her wow aviator sunglasses get out of here she's in the Dana Wheeler Nicholson category yeah it's a good good stretch for CR here 8586 if Pharaoh wants to fly me to the moon let's go yeah picket nets I mean obviously the first one is this is just the classic and it's a sequel device but nobody's listening to Ripley on this yeah she's more experienced and knowledge than all of you combined and they're like I don't know it's like don't go back there the colony and they laid eggs and yeah it's really bad and they're like yeah whatever it's one of the great gaslighting scenes in movie history that when she has to testify in the inquest and she's giving them all this information and there's the woman who's like did IQ suddenly drop yeah where like the woman repeats the thing where she's like so you're telling me that there's a species that ingests you know like that whole thing is so as the viewer you're so on Ripley's side our guy there our guy McClane that was like the next four diehards right so each time they're like yeah what do you know John McClane who's foiled five terrorists we have a Washington D.C. airport to run here speaking of that scene the sort of I guess deposition scene or whatever she's doing with the board members and that woman is like nothing has been documented like what you're describing and however many hundreds of worlds that we've surveyed but then when those guys the Marines are in the mess hall in the beginning of the movie they're talking about having sex with aliens so which one is it is it that there are aliens but they're nice and they have sex with you or that that's like a little bit of a mistake or more questions than answers yeah I'd say so Arcturian pussy that's what he's talking about they didn't have to scale back one of the things because it looked a little vulva-y one of the alien things they did not scale back it looks like I mean the plunge against the glass yeah would Ripley really get back to work after a 57 year hiatus or would she maybe think of some other stuff to do professionally I think that they've they've really jobbed her I think that's in the director's cut is like they're basically like you're not financially liable but we've like suspended all of your money making ability and you have no money I'll just say one more time if you're gonna re-watch this movie I encourage you to watch the director's cut how did the little girl survive by herself on the alien spaceship just kind of make and do I mean that point is made by the characters at a certain point you know it's like if she was able to do it then we can do it but put her in charge yeah why did Ripley blow up the eggs when they were blowing up the whole spaceship anyway or whole thing anyway I thought that just get the fuck out of there and then blow it up Ripley tried hanging on the rim at the end of the game there and I honestly like I just feel like that was a you have plenty of time here to get out of there so it was a breakaway and she tried to do the 360 dunk instead of just laying it in I I read that differently I read that as like she has this primal expression of revenge sure mom versus mom yeah like I have to take out this force that is responsible for destroying my life she Sophie Cunningham pointed at her she did she did she did with a with a she was blowing things up yeah fucking around that whole moment in the movie which we were probably didn't talk about enough but the way that the sound and score goes quiet as we watch the eggs get laid and then we it's revealed the shape and size of the mother alien like the tube yeah it is fuck and they built all that stuff it's really cool it's so cool it looks great on the the 4k too I think for picking it Ripley loses the last fight with her dumb contraption that she's in which she's exposed all over the place like alien tentacles can come flying in it's five minutes five different areas one thing I do like about her fight style though this is pure Pacquiao it's all anticipatory jabs like everything is like she's getting ready to clock the alien before the alien can even recover from the shot yeah you know where she's like you can feel her rearing back so that as soon as it recovers she can go in again what'd you think about this the giant what was it called just her fight strategy the mother alien oh the power loader yeah kind of avatar-esque also from Cameron there's a lot very visual yeah very similar little Rock'em Sock'em Robots-ish. Sort of a slow-mo Pacino and cruising dance. twice in one week for that my only other nitpick was that everyone gets sucked out at the end that airlock is just I can't even imagine the gravity I wish there was just one more beat to get this across but when Ripley doesn't let them fucking execute Burke when it's been kind of discovered that he's the one yeah just shoot him in the head yeah like Hudson or Hicks wastes that dude and she's like no we have to bring him back to earth so that he can be accountable for his crimes against humanity and Waylon Yutani can be brought down but I think they needed a little bit more explanation of that and I also think Marines would have been like fuck that this guy's getting smoked yeah especially he was taking insurance claims and he was supposed to only report 3% but he was reporting 40 Waylon Yutani bought the Dodgers he was taking loans against future xenomorphs yeah he really played it out he was playing the long game Waylon Yutani cost us the 2027 baseball season it's fucked up any other nitpicks we hit almost all of them I always found that for as much as it's my favorite scene in the movie and for as iconic as it is it's pretty stupid that they don't think about the ceiling in the tracker scene we're like where could they be coming from it's like just it doesn't even look like it's a ceiling it's just like poster board up there it's all drop ceiling everywhere yeah any nitpicks from you? I think I was just slightly underwhelmed by the skill of this marine crew I didn't feel like they were that different from the guys from Alien 1 which were not marines I felt like it was a very similar kind of strategy I think that's part of why it's a very good Vietnam critique because you know going into Vietnam there's a lot of confidence about the power of our military and it was quickly revealed that they were not well suited to that fight given the circumstances and so I feel like that's baked in that no matter how badass Vasquez is she doesn't really stand a chance do you feel the same? do you feel the same way about the guys who run the ringer fantasy football league? yeah yeah I think they're a little over their skis with all their all their rules and declarations and certitude about how things should be played I don't you know how about running past some more experienced men you know we can't get anybody to respond to our texts in the group chat that's what Berks should have said that sequel prequel prestige to be all black cast untouchable they basically did I mean we have to go all black cast because they've done everything else yeah they've done every other version of it seven sequels to this movie is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins Fergie the florist Zane Lowe Robert Evans Dr. Charles Nichols Ted Levine or someone else? Ripley you've been asleep for 57 years you lost a daughter you've been held liable for the detonation of a spaceship stop looking me in the eye and now you've you've returned to LV-426 but I think what's at the front of everybody's minds is who is this Ellen Ripley who we meet now what kind of music is she making? Ripley you've been asleep for 57 years you lost a daughter you've been held liable for the detonation of a spaceship stop looking me in the eye and now you've you've been asleep for 57 years you've been held liable for the detonation of a spaceship and now you've you've been asleep for 57 years you've been held liable for the detonation of a spaceship and i think they definitely messed with that um hibernation pods can we just talk about this yeah what's going on here do you want them or do you think that they're like if you could go into hypersleep and wake up in the future would you want would you want to experiment with that let's really talk about the mechanics here 57 years so no bathroom yep never wake up you're just out then you wake up do you immediately have to go to the bathroom i think that this is an incredible point because it would be one thing if she woke up and she had crazy amounts of tubes in there where it's like you couldn't even make it through this oxygen to pee an hour ago yeah yeah so is she like oh hibernation oh my god i have to pee so bad i to me i thought about hunger it's like do you just just need a hoagie as soon as you get out of there what are so you come out of the hibernation pad what's the first thing you're doing taking a shower i think i'd be on my phone just trying to figure out who won the last 57 nba titles oh my god i was like then i'm gonna pee what i would like to do 2044 the clippers they did it at the aspiration dome no less but they everybody seems so unfazed when they wake up in 57 years ago i don't think they're asleep 57 years she was asleep for 57 years because she was like she was lying out there yeah i think they went to sleep for like a year or something to get out yeah but she did 57 at the start and wakes up and she's like is my apartment still there if i have my stuff in in my version of aliens where i'm ripley i wake up and i look at the sports results over the last 57 years and i realized that i the jets did in fact win the title they won the super bowl so mad but then i realized it's a nightmare and a chestburster breaks through and then i wake up and then i check again and the jets still haven't won i would like to be the guy who basically didn't go to sleep and was like watching the ship for the time that everybody was asleep so that like i could get good at really good at one thing when you guys woke up i would be like oh yeah i can i can draw a golf ball now i'm actually a plus five let's go to the range i want to show you something yeah my short game is basically like airtight you can make a movie about somebody just waking up from the hibernation pod in their next 90 minutes isn't there a comedy about that rocket man isn't that what the premise of that movie is i think you're right i like that harlan williams movie yeah that was funny i don't know if i know that movie yeah the guy who's like squirrels sitting on the nut the guy from there something about mary um worst ways to go in a movie being cocooned i would be tough would you rather get cocooned or torn in half torn in half because you die immediately yeah unless you're cocooned is like that's i feel like it's being implanted oh and having the alien pop out that's even worse to me yeah because it's happening right away observing it and then you have to bleed out the cocoon is a slow death though yeah that i mean it could be like 11 days that was actually so in the i don't know i don't know if it's in the director's cup but it is a deleted scene where burke ripley comes across burke and he's been cocooned but they were like we can't do that in the director's yeah they were there was like a whole reason why they were like timeline wise he would not be cocooned at this point i think the worst way anyone's ever died in a movie is the guy from seven who got starved. Yeah. And then they went, they thought the guy was dead, but he breathed and they got. That guy had the worst death of any movie ever. That's when John McGinley's like, Dicks! That's my favorite line reading in that whole movie. My only other answer, bro, was, what do Bishop's next few years look like? He's just basically a torso and a head. Well, they connected him to the prison planet. Yeah, he's rebuilt. And then at the end of Alien 3, Bishop's creator, who looks just like Bishop, shows up. Oh, so they saved him? No, it's just like, he's like David, where it's like they're made in the image of the person who made the android, kind of. You don't think they just wheeled him around for the next couple years? It'd be fun, yeah. Put a little burlap bag around his intestine so they didn't leak? Bishop, can you still do the knife trick? I mean, it's just like C-3PO in the Star Wars movies, too, right? He gets torn apart and then provided. He gets torn back together. Memorabilia you'd most want from the movie? One of the armored plate vests that they have. Ed Vasquez's headband. Nice. Oh, that's really good. Not Vasquez's tape. Well, I'd take that, too. I think one of the guns would be pretty cool. Yeah. Like the fire gun? What would you want, Craig? A gun is cool. A 60-pound gun, just like up here in the studio? Just like putting it right next to Gabe Kaplan? Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, we're at Best Worst Life Lesson. Don't go back to your personal hell. Mm-hmm. Seems wise. Sometimes you just got to nuke the site from orbit just to be sure. I think I'm just out on cryosleep. That's a takeaway. Just maybe don't participate in that. Because you just never know when you're going to wake up. I don't want 57 years to go by. Yeah. Best double feature choice? Alien. I have Alien. I have Alien as well, but also Platoon. Really? I like the Vietnam bit today. Nice work by you. Thanks. Who won the movie? I think Sigourney Weaver. My gut is Cameron because he elevates to the highest class with this. I mean, is there a more blank checky movie than The Abyss? It's like a crazy, weird premise idea and like he getting to do. And you know, it's like it doesn't totally work, but it allows him to go on and on and on. He's like drowning his actors. I feel like it's Cameron. My argument for it is that Ripley becomes like a much more iconic character after Aliens than she did after Alien. And that like I think Sigourney Weaver, is associated with this giant blockbuster franchise for most of its existence until Ridley comes back. So we have one Cameron vote. One Weaver vote. What do you think? I vote Cameron. I think Weaver short term, Cameron long term. I mean, on a personal level and on a like, every time I rewatch, I get excited. It's Paxton. But I think, objectively, I think it's either Cameron or Ripley. Did you? Paxton was the late 80s, Zag take like when people thought the replacements were better than R.E.M., same thing. Settled down, settled down. Just saying. This has been a very friendly, cordial, entertaining podcast. Just saying, it's like Paxton won Aliens. It's like cool. Yeah, he's getting a little afraid that we're going to leave him. I know. So he's going to, he's going to play a little poke. The pod, a little poke. Where are you guys going? I'm going anywhere. Spectrum has made a really good offer. What's happening? Yeah, yeah. What, tiebreaker vote? In the movie itself, I like, I like Weaver. And now it's 2-2. Did you ever put who won the movie to like a public vote? It would be an interesting, in instances like this, where it's like you've got two clear icons coming out of this movie. We used to do polls in the past, but sometimes it was like an easy answer, so we wouldn't put it up. But when it's a true split, we should do it. This is a cool one. It's a good debate. I'd like to know. I'd like to know that. Also, same for Alien or Aliens. I'm just going to say the same thing, yeah. It would be funny if we do this, and then it turns out like, with the WNBA, when people parachute in because they can- Oh, yeah. Criticize it. You think Ennis Cantor's going to weigh in on this? Ennis Cantor's like, "We've got to protect James Cameron." He's going to be outside your house. He's won the movie. But all the MAGA people are like, protecting Jeanette Goldstein's right to portray Vasquez. Cantor identifies as a xenomorph. Craig, you've never seen this movie. No, I've been waiting a long time. I loved it. I love that they feel separate, Alien and Aliens. You don't have to choose because they're such different movies. It's a little bit of like Dune and Dune II to me, like the quiet opening story, and then like the full-fledged action movie in the sequel. I think I lean Alien. I think Alien is like perfect. Interesting. Can I ask you, do you think it had anything, did you watch Alien also on a laptop? I've seen Alien multiple times on my TV. Last night I was strapped for time. I couldn't blast Aliens at like 1:00 AM in my apartment, so I had to watch it on my laptop. So maybe that hurt it. We fucked up because they just ran, Aliens on 70 at the Village Theater, I want to say, all the way on the west side. And Cameron went to it, right? And Cameron showed up. And Cameron introduced the movie. And then he sat down in like the third row and watched it with everybody. That's the kind of shit I would do if I was a famous movie director. Just show up at your own screenings. Like what better feeling could you have? You can still do that. You can come do a Sixers game and watch Jalen Brown. You know what's crazy about this movie? I was looking at the budget being $18 million. It's like, sure, it's the '80s. If you adjust that to now, that's only 54. I'm like, a sequel to a movie like Alien now, like if you were to, it would have cost $200 million. I can't believe that even in 1986, after a follow-up to a hit, they only spent $18 million on this movie and it looked as good as it did. - We just had this with Speed. Speed was 31 and they blew up like five parts of LA. - But at least Speed was original. And so like, you didn't know if it was, I mean, the fact that this is Aliens coming off the director who made the Terminator, and it's only $18 million to me. It's just crazy the scale, like how much it's jumped. - I think some of it had to do with cast. Like it's, they're not using $20 million movie actors. Like Sigourney Weaver has to fight to get a million dollars and some box office participation on this one. Michael Biehn and Bill Paxton and, you know, Jeanette Goldstein are not major movie stars. Paul Reiser's- - It's also an, it's a sci-fi horror movie, which there's just not a track record of big box office. - Yeah, but like this was gonna be a big movie, right? Like people knew. - Well, you said at the beginning, it was one of the biggest movies of the summer and one of the biggest movies of the year, but it was not, there was not no expectation that it would be a franchise because it has such a, it's kind of a bummer of a movie, the original Alien, you know, it's a very kind of sad, contemplative. - Pretty early for sequels, just in general. This is only like a 10 year run of us wrapping our head around a sequel might actually be good. - Well, it's also that classic thing of like, you mentioned Alan Ladd going out at the studio and the guy coming in, and the guy who came in just didn't get it. He didn't, he wasn't a part of Alien the first time around. He didn't have any vested interest. - Doesn't get the win. - Yeah, exactly. - And that's like, but you know, Cameron's big thing was, I can't remember who told him this. I think it was Julia Phillips, but it was like, you shouldn't do Aliens because if anything goes right with it, people will be like, well, Ridley Scott, that's all Ridley Scott's idea. And if anything goes wrong with it, you'll get blamed. But so it is like a real risk for him to do this. - This is the rare. - Like Chris Connolly. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Spicy, I like that. - Indeed. - Yeah. - I, can you think of another example of a franchise where the first and second movies are arguably as good as each other and they're made by different directors? - No. - 'Cause usually what you get is. - It's basically impossible. - You get Batman Begins in Dark Knight or Batman and Batman Returns or. - But you never want that. - Toy Story, Toy Story 2. - You always want the same director to handle the trilogy. - Godfather, Godfather 2. - Yeah. - Sometimes it would have helped. Like I think Escape from L.A. would have been better with a different director. - Oh, interesting. - Yeah, I mean. - And I love John Carpenter. - I really like Die Hard 2, but in no way is it close to Die Hard 1. - Yeah, yeah. - Like that's a new. - I mean, you know, the Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back is they're different filmmakers, but it's all from Lucas's. - I guess Taboo 2 had two different directors. - Interesting. - From Taboo 1. - That's true. Top Gun Maverick. - Oh. - Yeah. - Albeit. - Yeah. - It's been a long time after Top Gun. - I mean, I prefer Maverick to the original. - I've been cranking it. - Cranking Top Gun Maverick? - Cranking it to Top Gun Maverick? - It's on a lot. - Yeah. - It's on, I think. - On what? - The four Showtime channels. - You, I can't believe you're still doing this. - I love the guide. I love jumping into movies. - Do you still do this? - I have it. - But do you like go what's on the movie channels right now? - No, I did for a while. - I still love it. - And then I think like the amount of DVDs and also just like just work watching. - Yeah, you guys are missing out. Showtime's basically just showing both Godfathers and Top Gun Maverick and they're just on all the time. And it's amazing. - What does that tell you about what people want from them? - Yeah, they know. - Yeah. - They know what's going on. - That's so funny. - They know the drill. And then HBO3 is now just doing marathons. - Of their shows, right? - They're just like, we're running the wire this week. - Yeah, I saw. - We're running the Sopranos. - I saw Thrones was on for a while. - We're doing Curb. We're running the whole. I like what's happening. Cableguides are back. Pluto's back. Tubi, like the whole like, let's jump in and you're picking the stuff for me. - When is the CR and Joanna Sopranos pod happening? - What's that? Oh, 'cause we haven't watched Sopranos? - Yeah, start to finish. - It's unforgivable. - I've seen the Sopranos. I just didn't watch it contemporaneously and I haven't seen every episode. - You dropped a Vito reference on the pod this week and you were like, you guys haven't seen Sopranos. Like, we can't let it die. - I've seen Sopranos. Heifetz hasn't seen Sopranos. Or he watched it out of order. - Heifetz just did his 40-year-old virgin smile when I brought that up. It was very nice of him. - Next week on The Rewatchables, I'm off Craig is Captain Phillips-ing it but not with Captain Phillips for Captain Phillips? no he's the fantasy guys they're doing Talladega Nights next week oh nice yeah get us ready for football season yeah I'm sure the Mavs would fuck that up too just like they fucked up the draft yeah you're entitled to feel how you want to feel and then we'll be back we have some good ones good ones we have a kind of planning a horror movie month right now for October that I think is going to be pretty spectacular exciting in Red October we're going to do that? listen what else do you want from me? well Rich comes calling again if we don't get Red October we're going to have big problems over here we did Sicario we did Aliens what else do you want? what about last night? what's left? the names are coming off the board now though I know like it's getting whittled down all the long time requests yes I still have my list but yeah yes after Hunt for Red October is there anything? Apocalypse No somebody asked me on a pod we have some good ones Scarface is left yeah somebody asked me this week if I could do any movie what would I want to do and I said I want to do The Master but just me and you The Master? yeah wow anyway CR thank you Fantasy thank you thank you Craig thank you thanks to Gahow as well and we'll be back next week with Talladega Nights we'll see you then