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I can't wait for you to see these things because they're absolutely insane. And the facts around them and the region they were found in are just as trippy. But you're probably already thinking, Jesse, these were already proven to be a complete hoax. Why are you platforming this ridiculous topic? To you, I urge you to, earnestly contend with these mind-bending facts. Top forensic experts in Peru, Mexico, and the United States have all investigated these bodies. After thorough investigation, they all think that these beings were probably once alive. They even looked for deliberate mutilation of the fingers and toes, which they found no evidence of. There's data to show that some of these bodies can be interpreted to be perhaps living organisms. It's not that they cut off, one finger or the other finger. The bodies are real. You don't think they were constructed at all? No, it would be very difficult. You need to be the best surgeon in the world to do that in replicate. Catastrophic Disclosure is happening in Latin America. Thanks to our amazing friend, Michael Mazzola, who's coming out with an epic documentary on the mummies later this summer. That documentary is going to be called This Is Not A Hoax. And please pre-order his book, Catastrophic Disclosure, which I am linking in the description. We got a front row seat to this entire thing. We were able to go to Peru and see three of the most interesting tridactyl beings, Montserrat, Sebastian, and Santiago. One of my best friends and fellow UFO freak, Amar Kandil, from the massive and very inspirational YouTube channel, Yes Theory, decided to join me on this trip. There's a mutation in one of those genes that could cause changes in digit development. It has a fetus inside. It's inside the body. Oh my God. And the hand and the feets of these fetus are also tridactyls. Never in the eight years I've been researching have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never. We are talking about humanoid species. Just from an anthropology perspective, that should be the most fascinating thing. Graphic evidence of tridactyly exists all over planet Earth. Everything is tridactylic. Everything came from a single place. This name comes from the word in the Nazca language. Laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done. These bodies connect. They connect with technology. But if I want to use the technology for reverse engineering, then I prefer to hide the bodies and use it for war, right? We have caught the Peruvian government and Ministry of Culture in multiple instances of bad, bad faith acting around this case. For some reason, they don't want this case to see the light of day. I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million. I repeat, that one is fake. I'm doing something real and important, and I'm not a liar. And if you watch this entire episode and wait until the end, you'll see how we're using state-of-the-art ancient DNA analysis techniques to definitively tell you the beings we're looking at. Maybe we can solve this mystery once and for all. Different parts of the brain have different activities. Well, you know that, don't you? Maybe you should interview me. Before the Incans, ancient Peru was home to other more mysterious cultures: the Paracas until 100 B.C. and the Nazca people from 100 to 800 C.E. The Nazca region in southern Peru is named after these Nazca people because it's where they primarily live. It's currently over 1,000 square miles and contains only around 80,000 people. Nazca culture historically has been known for a few different things: unique religious practices often involving ritual offerings, trophy heads, and shamanic rites, polychrome pottery with highly stylized mythological motifs, and, of course, mythological cave art. One of the most prominent archeological sites in the world, the Sites, is a petroglyph of what can be interpreted as a tridactyl. Three-fingered and toed beings are everywhere. Just look at this Nazca cave art and these woven fabrics. Then, of course, you have these massive geoglyphs known as the Nazca lines. This is the first time we've seen these geoglyphs in real life. The Nazca people are known for making these drawings spanning up to 30 miles long, etched directly into the desert floor. When you go to Nazca and when you see these drawings from the ground, they are not so hard to be made. The only thing that will be controversial is for whom they made these drawings. Why? Okay? Because the only thing for sure is that these drawings were made to be seen from the sky. They only make sense if you look at them from a different perspective. If you look at them from a different perspective, you can see that these drawings were made to be seen from the sky. If you look at them from a different perspective, you can see that they were made to be seen from the sky. They only make sense 150 to 500 meters in the air, which is far higher than any of the closest vantage points on the ground. So unless you have some aerial flying object, the line configurations and the figures they depict are literally incomprehensible to you. Anybody who says that this can be appreciated in its full form, the way we're standing right now, they're out to lunch to see the finished product is only from up there. Eric Von Daniken, author of Chariots of the Gods, thought that they were tributes to ancient alien astronauts, an extraterrestrial group that seeded human civilization. I have no idea if Daniken is right, and I don't really have any hard evidence to believe he is, but you have to admit one of these Nazca lines looks kind of like an astronaut. And another, in Chile, depicts a being with three fingers. Nonetheless, the question remains: why would humans build megalithic structures up to 30 miles long that only make sense a few hundred meters in the air, higher than the highest local peak? Why are there no excavation roads leading up to the main carvings, which presumably would have been necessary given all of the displaced earth, even if they were using modern civil engineering techniques? And then finally, why are there frequent UFO sightings in this area? The final thing that the Nazca and Paracas people practiced were cranial deformation, or skull elongation rituals. Cranial deformation is a deliberate reshaping of the skull using wooden boards, cloth bindings, or head frames, often done to infants, resulting in permanently elongated, conical, or flattened skulls. These rituals conferred status onto the recipients of the elongation. It often represented an initiation into a priestly class. It denoted nobility, and in many cases, it also seemed to be an attempt to imitate the gods. So, across cultures, how they have cranial deformation techniques to mimic the "gods" that are present. I mean, Echnaton, who was the first, like, king to call for monotheism in Egypt, he had a weird. The sun god? Yeah, yeah. And where does the skull elongation come from? We don't really know. We don't know why it arrived right then. So it's like this little period of time where the skull elongation shows up. Why does it show up? I mean, we don't know, but I mean, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know. Okay. So that's the backdrop in which in 2015, Echnaton, who had a lot of experience with the Echnaton family, got the skull elongated. And then in 2015, Echnaton, who had a lot of experience with the Echnaton family, got a gravedigger named Leandro, happened upon a cave with these tridactyl, three-fingered, three-toed, very gray alien-looking mummies. I was walking along the edge and tripped on the wall and then it fell apart and I could see this cave full of diatoms. I started to dig, to dig and dig, and big clumps began to emerge that when they melted revealed that they were heads and parts of the bodies. The cave contained over 200 body parts, isolated heads, limbs, and appendages, and in many cases, entire intact bodies. All of the bodies and parts were covered in diatomaceous earth, a desiccant that dried them out and preserved them. And technically, they aren't dead. They aren't dead. They aren't dead. They aren't actually mummies. Many of them still have their organs fully intact inside the bodies. The bodies have a range of carbon dating from 700 years ago to 1800 years ago, mostly overlapping with the Nazca period. There are three different dominant body types in the pile of 200 bodies and parts. Number one, the S-types, these small winged creatures that we're not going to focus too much on in this episode. Number two, the J-types, or as they're sometimes called, reptilians. These are skinny, two to three feet tall, oddly geometric or boxy bodies. And their faces look like the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Some even have eggs inside their bellies. We have 25 to 30 of these. The mummies I personally think are most interesting are called the M-types, or hominids. These look like hominid four to five foot beings. Their organs, tendons, cartilage, and bones fully intact. And they're not just a human being, they're a human being that was born from a human body. How many, how many bodies? Oh my God. Before we move on, a word from our sponsors. This was the hardest documentary we've ever had to make. On the way from Lima, Peru to Mexico City, I got sick as a dog. Hold on, let me, let me blow my nose. It's good. I wish I was in better shape. I always travel with Element Electrolytes. They are my favorite hydration brand. 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You have great independent researchers like Gonzalo Chavez, who helped set up Tridactyls.org, pointing out that the DICOM files made public. If you look at these CAT scans around even the J-types, the reptilians, you can see capillaries nourishing the eggs inside one of their bodies. I don't even know if the most advanced synthetic biology going on in the United States can fake some of this stuff, let alone a huacaro named Leandro who lives behind a chicken coop in Peru. We will link all of the images in the description below. We will link all of the medical imaging done on all of these beings on Tridactyls.org, which contains all of the DICOM files with CAT scans and other data, so you can look at all of this stuff yourself. We feel that some of the entities are worthy of further investigation. John McDowell, who is president of the American Forensics Association for a year and just won the highest award in the country for forensics, the Grand Wall Award, says this. There is evidence, there is data to show that some of these bodies, these entities, can be interpreted to be perhaps living organisms. McDowell saw the bodies in person. He was joined by Jim Caruso, the chief medical examiner for Denver and a forensic pathologist. A former medical officer in the Navy for decades, Caruso has dozens of peer-reviewed scientific papers. And has personally performed over 300 autopsies. Another person who isn't a stranger to autopsies is Dr. David Ruiz. He's the president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine, so he's kind of the equivalent McDowell in Peru. I have been president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine, right? It's equivalent to McDowell. As a doctor, as you call it, a conventional doctor, we see scans and MRIs and images all the time. I mean, we realize when there is something, something real or something unreal. He takes things even farther than McDowell, confidently claiming that these are non-human but very real beings. And that the Tridactyls have been visiting us for thousands of years. We invite the scientists of the world, the professors, the professionals from different universities to be a little more interested in knowing this. Never in the eight years I've been researching have I mentioned that there is something real or something unreal. Never have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never. We are talking about perhaps a hominid like us, a three-fingered hominid. The word extraterrestrials has been used by the scientists who do not want to investigate. The archaeologists who resist accepting this and try to discredit it. They call them fake extraterrestrial mummies. And then you have chief of the medical division for the Mexican Navy, Jose Salce. He joins Ruiz, but he goes even farther than him, saying not only are the bodies definitely real organisms, he speculates that the beings are so genetically dissimilar to humans that they might be extraterrestrial. In the big bodies like Maria, the DNA show us that there were 70% known DNA, but there were 30, 30% completely different. You're probably already thinking, Jesse, these were already proven to be a complete hoax. Well, the only reason you think that these are a hoax is because a journalist, remember the guy who was talking about UFO sightings around the Nazca lines? A guy named Manuel Cacero. Made wooden figurines that he glued together, dedicated to the Nazca mummies, to sell to tourists. These little trinkets, pieces of touristic art meant to resemble the real mummies. These were confiscated at the Lima airport in 2023. It's craftsmanship. Constructed, built. In early 2024, Reuters published this about the Nazca mummies. They're not extraterrestrials. They're dolls made from animal bones from this planet, joined together with modern synthetic glue, said Flavio Estrada. But that ridiculous conflation between these wooden figurines and these real anatomically consistent whole bodies was reported on by Reuters and other esteemed legacy publications. And it's the sole reason so many people in the Western world are so sure this story is fake. It's at that point that the story became a laughingstock. The real story is that this gravedigger, Leandro, found the bodies in 2015. So this must have been completely full of bodies. Leandro does shamanic tours in the local region. He lives behind a chicken coop and is linked with some interesting legends. In 2016, he met a French explorer of ancient Incan lost cities named Thierry Yamine. Yamine is an explorer from another era, a real-life Indiana Jones, in this case, trying to find El Dorado. Yamine and his Inkari Institute have been spearheading a lot of research around these three-fingered beings, or as they're known, tridactyls, since that time. So right now they're showing us the moment, the exact moment they discovered that she was pregnant when they were doing the scans because it happens live. So that's what they're showing us right now. Perhaps one of the wildest revelations, Montserrat, one of these tridactyl M-type hominid-like beings, might also have a fetus inside of it that is a three-fingered tridactyl being. This would imply a genetic match and phenotypic inhibition. An inheritance between a baby and a mother. So if you had the tomography, the x-rays, the 3D reconstruction, you had all of that, say, take out the 3D reconstructions, you just had the raw measurement data that you got. Yes. If you sent that to a normal doctor, you know, who is used to evaluating the health of a fetus in a womb of any mother, would they say, oh, that baby only has three fingers? Yes. Wow. Yes. They would be able to spot it, a conventional doctor. If that doctor has the curiosity to be very careful, he will say, this baby has three fingers in the hands and in their feet. So it would be easy for a conventional doctor to spot? Yes. Wow. When she passed away, was pregnant, she had a prominent belly, and of course, the amniotic fluid is water, and that is lost more. That's why it looks like her hands are in the air, but she was holding her belly. Oh, that's what I was looking at. I see, I see. And then it just like. Oh, it's so sad. Now, another simple explanation would be that these beings went through typical ancient skull elongation rituals, along with maybe some more unique hand and feet mutilation procedures. But the CAT scans don't really look like the hands were mutilated, and the skulls don't seem to have the stress fractures typical of head-binding rituals. If you had a closer look, you can see in the skull, the line who makes the pressure to deform the skull. Okay? You can see it in the skull. Ah, you can see it. You can see where the humans put something to deform the skull. Okay? In the school of Maria, if you saw the tomographies, you can't see any line of artificial deformation. And are we noticing that the skull is also big? Okay, so they are born big, then. It's not like a manipulation over the skull. Now, if that's not weird enough, there's a genetic mutation that dictates digit differences, anomalous numbers of fingers and toes. This genetic mutation does that in humans. This mutation was apparently found in the NCBI database, holding the genetic data on these Peruvian Nazca mummies. Just listen to bioinformatics expert Elena Hardy. On what she found. One of the things I did find, and I kind of stumbled across, was I actually went to falsify the hypothesis that there was a genetic mutation that could cause changes in digit development, right? So I went into the literature. I found a list of like 50 genes involved in the pathway. Sonic Hedgehog is the one that everybody has heard of, right? This is one of the Sonic Hedgehog pathways. There's a mutation in one of those genes, called GLI-3. Where a similar kind of mutation is associated in the literature with polysyndactyly. So like the fusion of fingers or extra digits. And so that's really interesting. It doesn't have anything to do with tridactyly, but it's like not a super common mutation, you know? It's like you wouldn't. It was enough to make me go, huh? And wasn't there a study of like a Chinese family that has this group as well? Yeah. Some of the members of that family who have that mutation. Have everything from like developmental disabilities to these digits, like disorders of digit development. And this was like a mutation that comes from like one side, like either the mother or the father. And so you can have this effect with just one side of the family passing on this gene. You don't need two copies of it, right? There are other like mutation, right? Isn't there like, there's some tribe in Africa with like ostrich feet. There are these mutations that are maybe even rendered adaptive in certain environments. And they sort of persist over time. And so it could just be that, which would be remarkable unto itself. I don't think this obscure genetic mutation is even widely known in the genetics community. And it's definitely not known by the Waqiro gravediggers who dug up the bodies in the first place. So if you could replicate the finding of that mutation, that would be a big deal. At this point, I don't think the question is, are these beings real or fake? They are clearly real. They are real beings. Seeing the mummies in person was wild, but I had been hearing so much about this guy behind this story. Jaime Masson, the supposed charlatan, hoaxer. Jesse, don't go to Peru. You're going to ruin your brand. Jaime is a known hoaxer. I can't tell you how many texts I've gotten like that. I needed to meet the man myself and see what he was all about. I honestly loved Jaime. Jaime is independently very wealthy. He lives in one of the most beautiful houses on the border of a national park right outside Mexico City and is on a quest to prove that extraterrestrial life is real. When we finish, I'll show you the sphere. I can't wait. So excited. My friend, you feel it. You feel it? This is not fucking real. This is something else. This is so crazy. A few days before visiting Jaime, he happened to have recovered an aluminum object, of which he had over four minutes of video flying around Bugo, Colombia. The object appears to drop below the trees and get retrieved on the forest floor. He said it weighs two kilos, four pounds, and then now weighs 10 kilos. Jaime is a bit more sure of this Bugo sphere than I am. The sphere is fascinating. It seems to be made of an aluminum alloy, three times the hardness of aerospace-grade aluminum. They claim it exhibits electromagnetic anomalies. I think there are some decent debunks here. Jaime's brain was already fully broken by the mummies, so write a comment if you have any hot takes on the Bugo sphere and we'll do a follow-up episode on it. But the point is, while I don't agree with Jaime on everything, I love his energy and I think he is actually inviting real scientific scrutiny on these things. He can speak in absolutes and isn't always nuanced as I might shake out on certain UFO cases. He doesn't like to engage in lofty theoretical conversations about this stuff. I'm more interested in weird science and abstract theory, but I didn't sense any cynicism or intellectual disingenuousness from him. If anything, I found him to be a boldly stated amateur explorer of a bygone era, just trying to show the public what he's seen. He genuinely believes that the Nazca beings are extraterrestrial, and I found him to be extremely generous, not territorial, and very open with all of his findings. He took the tomography scans of this ball and then gave us the information that it was a Bugo sphere. I don't know if that's a good thing, but I don't know if that's a good thing. I don't know if that's a good thing. And then gave us the password to look at the results the same day. So generous of Jaime to just give us the login and password. I'll find out. Help me. We will. He clearly just wants the truth out, and he doesn't care if it's out on his platform or others. I think the time has come to accept that we have been visited for a long, long time. Why do people say you're a hoaxer? Because I have the balls to present things, you know? It's so easy to be in the back and criticize everything. If you have the courage to present things, then you are going to risk yourself. You are going to expose yourself. Anybody credible in the scientific community, would you guys like to invite them to Mexico City? I mean, if you want this to be recognized by humanity. Yeah. Anybody should come. And I think the best experts are welcome. I don't want to welcome anyone who comes here just with the idea to destroy the thing, to construct, to find, you know? It doesn't have to tell us what we want to hear. They want to find out the truth. If they are looking for the truth, you are welcome. Anyone. Now I know what you're thinking. Maybe these people just want their 15 seconds of fame. But if you really want to know, you have to find out. If you really think about these people's credentials, they have more to lose than to gain. They're all fairly well off financially, and they're very credentialed. Jaime is now suing the Peruvian government for $300 million for defamation because of their claim that he's pushing a hoax. I really have to remember, I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million. Wow. Have you invested any personal money to keep. I cannot tell you. Okay. I cannot tell you. But, uh, but yeah. The Peruvian government was completely against this case, especially up until September 2024, when they've started to tacitly endorse research at the University of Ica that might actually indicate that these bodies are real. The point is, until then, Ruiz could have faced serious backlash for his involvement with the case. Just look at what the Peruvian Ministry of Culture did to Joyce Mantilla during one of the press conferences around the bodies. Well, we were down there. They raided the press conference. I don't know if you heard or saw about that, but they brought in federal police, federal prosecutors, and the Ministry of Culture actually took over the microphone while he was up on the dais getting ready to speak. I asked my buddy Pavel from the great podcast Tico Activo what his take was. Pavel, thank you. This episode is brought to you by. Hiring now? Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. I've been covering this for years, well before it's even started to be kind of more destigmatized. He's thoroughly documented the Peruvian Ministry of Culture's slow shift on the Nazca Mummy's case. The concessions they're now starting to make. They seem to be walking back their early hardline denials. When Jaime started doing the whole lawsuit stuff, that forced the Peruvian Ministry of Culture and the Peruvian government to take this a little more seriously. And just listen. Listen to what happened to Zalcay when he was working for the Mexican Navy when he got involved with the mummies. I spent around five days in jail because they said I was a liar and I was putting in risk the honorability of the whole system of the Navy. He saved me. Please do not continue the investigation of the mummies. And I say I can stop doing that. Because I believe I'm doing something real and important and I'm not a liar. So I have to demonstrate to the world that it was real. But what about the cave or tunnel where these bodies were found? Michael Mazzola admits that Leandra may have taken him to the wrong location. Do you think it was a different cave? Straight up. And there are plenty of financial incentives to keep this cave's location under wraps. My theory is he's been showing people this cave to make money. He charges about three grand a visit. For a tour. For a tour to go see this cave. We did not participate. Yeah, good. The cave that he's brought people to did not hold these bodies. There's no way. The cave's too small. There's no way to get out of this cave. A few different anonymous sources revealed to me that the actual source of these bodies is a large subterranean tunnel system. These sources, some of whom don't even know each other, didn't want to reveal their identities publicly due to fear of retribution from the local cartels. And to be honest, I found them very believable. I also think that made a lot of sense from a self-preservation standpoint. So while I don't always love anonymous sources making bold claims. I have to respect that. There are also a lot of people in and around these tunnel systems that say they see and hear weird things at night. Strange noises coming out of the tunnels, beings that don't seem to walk like humans, and other anomalous observations. So we might just have a live situation on our hands. And what about so-called Lazarus species? Species that the academic consensus thought were extinct and then get rediscovered. Some of them are millions. Some of them are tens of years old. One example people speculate about is the Orang Pendek in Indonesia. There's a thing called the Orang Pendek. Have you ever heard of that? No, what is it? They think, I believe it's Indonesia and maybe Vietnam, where people talk about these little tiny hairy people that live in the jungle. Whoa. And so these Flores things, there's a few biologists that believe these things are still alive. Interesting. They think even on the island of Flores, they might still be alive. And again, the Nazca region is over 1,000 square miles and currently contains only 80,000 or so people. It's the perfect place for a groundbreaking discovery like this to have occurred. This also isn't the only subterranean tunnel system in the world. There are subterranean tunnel systems all over the world. Some are ancient, like these ones in modern Turkey documented by the great Graham Hancock. This is quite a famous phenomenon in Turkey, that there are huge cities. They look like ant farms on an enormous scale that are dug out under the earth, hundreds and hundreds of years old. hundreds of rooms that huge efforts was put into digging deep beneath the earth and creating these shelters. We have this concept of this coming from another planet, but it might not be from another planet. Yeah. It might be from here, like the underground, those tunnels and caverns in Turkey, where they have this immense underground civilization, or city rather. And it almost felt like maybe they were hiding out from a cataclysm or something. And that's what they think it was. Yeah, so imagine if there's some break-off civilization where they lived, I mean, we're talking hundreds of thousands of years ago, but they're different than us. And, you know, sometimes they come visit. But there are weirder ones, surrounded by rumors of weird inhabitants or artifacts. Take the Teos cave system at the edge of the Ecuadorian Amazon. There's a legend attached to these caves, which involves a metalite, and it looks like it's a library made of gold. It supposedly contains an ancient alien metallic library. The existence of this library gained so much traction in elite circles that Neil Armstrong, that's right, the Neil Armstrong who was the first man to walk on the moon, was so interested in it that he took a BBC film crew looking for it in 1976. Why would Neil Armstrong look for aliens on earth after going to the moon? That's a question for another American Idol. But it shows at the very least that he had confidence that he might find something interesting there. There are also deep underground military bases across the United States, and sometimes one's rumored to house other beings at S4 Area 51 or Dolce New Mexico. These represent the more out-there myths in ufology from Phil Schneider, Bob Lazar, and Dan Barish involving an American space program that is co-run with the alien beings themselves. We went to another part of the. of the facility, went to another building. In that building, we went into an elevator, we took an elevator down, which. that was the first odd thing is that it felt like we went down significantly further than like you'd think you would. I mean, it was just awkward, it just stood out. But even if you don't believe any of those stories, there's a ton of real documentation of deep underground military bases across the United States from hardcore researchers like the great Richard Souder. But listen to what Thierry had to say about the general region that the mummies were likely found in. And there is a little book published in 2004 by a local author from Nazca that talked about various sites in the Nazca area. And it precisely talks about this area and mentions the name of the site where the discovery was made. And it says that this name comes from the word "Sach" in the Nazca language. And in conclusion, it means laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done. Now, how did they appear? There is no precedent. There isn't. There. are no. three-third hominids. However, upon finding that their DNA may have been mixed with genetic technology, if you go back 1,800 years, it's crazy. It is likely that a civilization more advanced than ours made that genetic mix. And it is likely its creators are probably from elsewhere. So were these beings laboratory experiments? Evidence of a hidden hand guiding Darwinian evolution? And here's where things get weirder. Many of these M-type or hominid beings contain implants. And it's pulling up the neck. It's squeezing. This is the x-ray. This is the neck x-ray. But here is the cervical traumatic injury. But the injury has been before. But the injury has been before they pulled that. It's not because of the plate. So the plate could have been to, like, repair or correct. These metal implants contain osmium and cadmium, which are extremely rare earth metals. Osmium is so rare that it's 1,500 times rarer than gold and 2,500 times rarer than silver. Only about 100 kilograms to one ton of osmium is extracted globally every year. For reference, 100 kilograms is roughly the weight of a newborn elephant, and a small car like a Honda Civic weighs around a ton. It's an extremely rare element. But perhaps the weirdest thing about osmium and cadmium is that they were only officially discovered by the Western world in the 19th century, but they're being found on implants in bodies that carbon date to over 1,000 years ago. The rare metal implants have organic. organic tissues fused to them in the bodies, indicating that the beings were alive when the implants were placed. This process of organic tissue fusing is called osseointegration. I decided to have a little fun and ask ChatGPT how, hypothetically, osmium would be used as medical implants. It did say that osmium, if oxidized, could be toxic. But underground, oxygen is much lower. So something like osmium would oxidize way less quickly. But then it came up. with the idea that osmium would make a great brain-machine interface material. I sat down with population geneticist Alan Izarraros, who had his own theory about the metal implants inside these beings. There's this thing called bioelectricity that can sort of modulate where genes get expressed, which location really precisely. And so maybe if I'm trying to be really exotic, maybe these things are modulating some sort of gene expression. To make the beings into what they are. It's fascinating. Maybe there's a chance that they're like minimally, genetically altered, and the rest of the alteration is at another layer of the phenotype, which is. could be this bioelectricity layer. Interestingly, osmium and cadmium have also been found on meteorites from space. But after we left Mexico City, another hearing took place there. This time with an American congressman present, Representative Eric Burleson from Missouri. According to Burleson, UFO whistleblower David Grush told him that the beings in Nazca resembled things that Grush had seen in classified settings. Whenever I spoke with David Grush, who was the whistleblower from the Pentagon that studied this stuff, I was actually probably not going to go because I thought that there's no way that that's real. And he recommended that I do because he said that based on the physiology of what he's seen in some of these mummies, not all of them, some of them are faked, but some of the mummies that exist in Peru, that based on the physiology, they are congruent with what he has seen in briefings in his former role. And remember the beings in Virginia, Brazil? Remember James Fox's amazing movie Moment of Contact? They also had three fingers. There are also very credible American UFO crash retrieval cases that have occurred, you guessed it, in Peru. Just look at the insane story of UFO whistleblower Jonathan Weygand documented by my buddy UAP today. Weygand was part of a UFO crash retrieval team in Peru. At one point, it looked half like green and half purple. Weygand, Allen, and Adkins observed a huge ship embedded at a 45-degree angle into the rocky cliff face. This is the craft. This is pretty crude two-dimensional drawing, but this is jungle here. This was the craft and it was embedded in the rock like this. Although no lights were visible from behind the hatch. Weygand did observe what appeared to be a four-fingered arm hanging limply from the open hatch. And listen to what Dr. David Ruiz had to say about these beings. Our interview taking a hard left turn. One of the government's most interested in hiding things is the one that does the most reverse engineering. And those have been all the things that happened during the Cold War era. These bodies connect, they connect with technology. If I accept the bodies, I will accept the technology. But if I want to use the technology for reverse engineering and have supremacy over planet Earth, then I prefer to hide the bodies, do hidden reverse engineering, and use it for war. Right? Okay, but before we get too excited, there are some real issues around this case. Number one, the provenance. This was found by a grave robber, a Waqero that probably does some other somewhat dishonest things for a living. They're likely the result of grave robbers taking these ancestral burial, these individuals from their burial sites and then using them to make. and sell these things on the open market. See, the tough thing about the involvement of these huaqueros and the global cartels they're associated with is that their involvement is simple. They want to make money. But what their involvement means is not. If the underlying bodies were real or fake, they'd want to make knockoffs and maximize profits by selling new bodies to elites all over the world on the black market, no matter what. If the bodies were real, they'd sell the bodies and make knockoffs resembling the real ones. And if the bodies were fake but looked real, they'd also sell them. So I'm sure these black market sales are happening. And that fact alone should give anyone making bold claims around this case a healthy dose of humility. But I'm just not sure that fact adds any signal to the noise. This crime syndicate involvement is the part of the case I was most afraid of discussing. It's awkward and adds a real element of danger for anyone covering it. But at the end of the day, if you're a walkero and you're. Hiring now? If you're watching this, don't be mad at me. All I'm saying is I'm genuinely not sure what's going on. And the price of these things are probably going up as we speak. If this is art, if someone made this, I need to buy one. How much can I get one for? I've heard seven figures. Seven figures? I've heard a lot of money. Jeez Louise. You know, it's a long hike up one of these small mountains into a cave that I'm convinced has nothing to do with it. And so initially he was saying, hey, I found this underground citadel, like almost like a temple and they were in there and they were inside a stone sarcophagi. That was the initial story. Then it changed to, no, they were found in this cave. Do you trust him? Did you get a good. No, not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. He tried to charge me $1,500 just to interview him. Yes, a week with that body. It was all up to the ceiling. Yeah, all was full, so he needed to like grab. Yeah, and since it's soft, with his hand, it's very soft. He didn't use any tools. Only like a rock to scratch. And the dust was like here, the wind. As you can see from the cave itself, it looks like it can barely fit one person inside of it, let alone 200 body parts, appendages, heads, and full intact bodies. Number two, one of the isolated heads that look exactly like one of the J-type bodies seems to have alpaca proteins all over it. A proteomics expert who I interviewed but chose to remain anonymous, given the controversies around the case and nascent nature of his findings, said, There was an early hypothesis that these could be an alpaca brain case. And there was a published paper about CT, showing CT scan data, showing these morphological similarities to an alpaca brain case. I ran proteomic analysis on these, got back these peptide sequences, which reflect the DNA sequences. Then I used a pipeline from a paper published in Nature two or three years ago about species identification of ancient bone sample. And I ran these, all of these bone samples, from the skull through this pipeline. And they all came back identified as alpaca bone. Whether the attached parts, the main body of the skull, all of it came back as alpaca bone. Number three, UFO researcher Steve Mara told me that two different finger bones of one of the M-types, Maria, were genetically tested in Sri Lanka. He said that one of the phalange bones came back male, the other came back female. If that's true, that obviously throws a wrench in things if you're looking for an anatomically proven result. But he also said that the DNA of Maria wasn't exactly consistent singular organism. Ancient DNA is very tricky. And they've done some DNA work on some of these bodies that come out all over the map. The DNA of Maria, we have two options, 70% known, 30% unknown. Okay? From this, that 70% that we can identify. From that, we identify three specific DNA, one from chimpanzee Bonobo, one from another type of chimpanzee from Africa, and one type from the South Asian human primates. Interesting. So what's the relation between these three different types of DNA in the DNA of Maria in the South Asian human primates? I'm already getting at it. So even in the known DNA, it's a combination that you would never see. It's so exotic. That's it. Number four, the signal, the noise with the genetics. A lot of people are talking about genetics who aren't really geneticists. Zalze, who's a forensics guy, is really basing his understanding of the being's genome here off of another guy, Dr. David Ronhell. My hypothesis is that Maria is a hybrid, but natural. What are the two species? It's a hybrid of what and what? What are the two species that created it originally? There is a great possibility that approximately 2,500 years ago, which is the new datings of human remains that have been found in Asia, that this early human, still wild, may have migrated to Africa. And in Africa. They encountered these organisms. 250,000 years ago, there was still a reminiscence of both the origin of Pampaniscos and Pantroglodytes. Ronhell also says that a parasite that is only found in Africa was found in one of these beings, further corroborating his theory. And so you think she's a natural hybrid between Asia and African ancestors, what I don't understand is. You get three fingers and three toes, and an elongated skull, and different eyes, and the phenotype is so different. Due to the evolutionary history that this organism had in Africa, where what we are finding are physiological adaptations for arboreal life. It has three fingers, it has an extra phalanx that makes them longer, and this allows for better adaptation to grass. This is a very similar adaptation to what is observed in sloths, which also have three fingers. But here the interesting thing is to know how it was transferred to South America. If it was transferred 1,700 years ago, could there have been a cultural and commercial exchange between Africa and America 1,700 years ago? That is the question. It's a very complex question. The idea that Asia and not Africa is the cradle of mankind, and that Africa and South America may have had contact before the conquistadors in the 15th century, if you add up the chances of all of these being true combined, the theory in aggregate does feel a little far-fetched to me. Although I do not doubt Ron Hell's integrity for a second. Finally, remember Flavio Estrada, that archaeologist that conflated the wooden figurines confiscated at the Lima airport? With the mummies in 2023? Well, yeah, doing that was absolutely ridiculous. But he's gone on to do some more legitimate debunking after that attempt. They use cotton in the supposed joints. They apply these fast-drying synthetic adhesives, the uju. They use cyanoacrylate, and it gives it quite an interesting hardness, right? He now says that the fingers on the M-types were deliberately mutilated, and the remaining ones were lengthened. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether he's shown his hand as a bad actor with his original statements around the glued-together wooden figurines. I'd welcome him to come on my show. "The government of Peru, through the Ministry of Culture, is committed to confiscating the so-called Nazca mummies." Here's why I personally don't trust the Peruvian government, and think people like Estrada are just bad faith actors: many of these beings are currently being researched at the university. When the vice president of the university, Martin Alacrón, was interviewed, he said that the Peruvian government is constantly trying to take the mummies away from the university. He also said that the government has made repeated claims that well-respected scientists like Dr. Roger Zuniga, who's studying the bodies at the University of Ica, are themselves grave robbers manipulating human remains. a ridiculous claim that implies a clear, bad faith motive on the part of the Peruvian government. On seven occasions, they came first with police, with a prosecutor and all that. The intention, I don't know why, was to take these bodies. And the university had to fight for them to stay. First of all, these beings belong to the people of Peru. This is Peru's cultural heritage. And it's a shame that it's being denied up to this point by the Peruvian government. But that's actually changing. Another point in the direction that the J-types are fake reconstructions is that morphologically, they just don't look super adaptive, like they can walk super well or be very agile. Some are potentially real, warrant further investigation. And in others, I could take a look at them and very quickly tell you that organization. Organism, if it is an organism, couldn't walk, couldn't fly, was not mobile. There are all these things about this case that I think break your brain because you wish it was cleaner. Like, I think the very clean thing to say is that the large bodies are clearly real. Or they're clearly, they're not hoaxes. They're not even artificial fabrications from rituals. They're like, you know, organisms, biological organisms that are self-consistent. That are pregnant in some cases. At this point in the video, you might be wondering, Jesse, how do you personally shake out? Well, you have to think probabilistically. So I'd rather just list the facts around the case. And I'm just a dude on YouTube with no credentials to make any claims whatsoever. But if you really want to know my opinion, gun to my head, I'm just going to go out and say, I think the M-types are probably real. My guess is the genetics reading Steve Marigot with one female and one male phalange on Maria's body was probably due to human contamination. And Flavio Estrada and the Peruvian Ministry of Culture, I think they're just bad faith actors. I don't trust them at all. And there are really no other solid debunks on this. Very few serious people are looking at this case. And when serious people do, they're not looking at this case. And when serious people do get involved, they think these beings are real. Of course, on the fake side, these could be ancient humans that underwent traditional head binding and had their fingers and toes manipulated. But on that, I'll defer to the three different sets of forensic experts all looking for finger and toe manipulation and for human head binding. None of them found any evidence for either. Then on top of that, we're very close to a couple of very clear smoking guns from proving these are real. For example, if you definitively proved that Montserrat's fetus inside of it was also tridactyl, at that point, you'd be accusing gravedigger walkeros of cloning abilities that elite American researchers don't even have. Now, also at the risk of stirring controversy, I think the J-types are more likely to be fake or reconstructions. Maybe homages paid to the real M-types. The llama proteins found on the isolated J-type head, which are the most popular, are very interesting to me. And admittedly, I just have an instinctive allergic reaction to them given how stylized their faces look. But even then, you have DICOM files showing bones, veins, capillaries, things that are hard to fake. You have eggs inside the bodies of beings like Louisa. And here's where things get weird. You have the fact that the J-type beings look a lot like some other beings in global UFO and alien cases. Take the Russian snow alien case in 2011. Another case that was written off by quote-unquote experts as very fake. You see, back in 2011, Russian National Channel 1 aired a report about a supposed mass UFO sighting in the Irkutsk Oblast, a region in southeastern Siberia. That was February. A month later, in March, a video was posted of this UFO sighting. The closest to the strange lights was pensioner Nelly Stepanek, who is from the city of Novonovna. People are confident that these are the UFOs. The lights were hanging right above the top of the trees. Several spheres were breaking apart, and then they were merging back into one. Local children even managed to film what was happening. These same children were the first to talk about the strange smell. There was a little bit of smoke from them, and then an unpleasant smell, like from the exploded little bombs boys like to blow up. They lined up in the shape of a cone, and the light was reflecting from them. Two women ahead of us shouted, "Look, the UFO!" I heard a rumble, and then I saw a pink light. Everything was lit with a pink color. I thought it was an alien. Civil aviation specialists and employees of the Search and Rescue Center, the military, the FSB, and the Main Directorate of the Internal Affairs of the Irkutsk region, the Department of Internal Affairs for Transport, all joined the search. Scientists came to the aid of the emergency services. As always, they explained everything. "All this looks very much like a meteorite fall scenario," says Sergei Yasev, director of the Irkutsk State University Astronomical Observatory. But the villagers weren't satisfied with that explanation, nor were any Russian UFO researchers. Thanks to Steven Pearson, an amazing American Alchemy WAP community member, we know that this region in Siberia is home to the first UFO. Home to a lot of Russian nuclear assets. As it so happens, we know that the 29th Guards Missile Division is, and long has been, a live nuclear-armed mobile ICBM force in Irkutsk. Its nuclear warheads are stored locally at Object 644, not in silos, but in bunkered magazines. As you know on this show, we have documented the UFO-nuclear relationship ad nauseum. This connection is global and ubiquitous, and it adds to my conviction that this 2011 UFO sighting and This episode is brought to you by Indeed. Indeed-sponsored jobs can help carry the load. Cut through the chaos with Indeed-sponsored jobs. Get a $75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com/podcast. Hiring now? Then this is a job for Indeed.com/podcast. Indeed-sponsored jobs. Indeed.com/podcast. Indeed.com/podcast. Indeed.com/podcast. Indeed.com/podcast. Indeed.com/podcast. Here's where things connect to this Peruvian case and where things get weird. They filmed the body and uploaded it to YouTube. That video has 12 million views on it. The two guys who found this body were taken in by the police, questioned, and apparently confessed to hoaxing it with breadcrumbs, plasticine, and chicken skin. Again, we know a similar accusation was made about Manuel Cacera's fake creations. So could that too have been a cover story? And it's absurd. Just how much this being looks like the Nazca Peruvian J-Types and the beings from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a movie that Ronald Reagan watched in the White House and said there's a lot of truth to. And he said, "I want to thank you for bringing ET to the White House. We really enjoyed your movie." And then he looked around the room and he said, "And there are a number of things that are true. And there are a number of people in this room who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true." And he said it without smiling. But he said that. And everybody laughed, by the way. The whole room laughed because he presented it like a joke, but he wasn't smiling because he said it. And the chicken skin hoax claim sounds a lot like Manuel Cacera's tourist trinkets. I would love to tell you that I can definitively say that a video with 12 million views on it, on YouTube, of a possible alien body, is definitely a fake. I would love to tell you that a video with 12 million views on it, on YouTube, of a possible alien body, is definitely a fake. I realize it's sort of patently absurd, but I just don't know. The debunks on this video are almost as ridiculous as the video itself. I don't trust this quote-unquote expert analysis at all. It's super weak. Again, I think this video should be debunked, but I think it deserves a better debunk. And if you were part of the defense establishment, maybe CIA or FSA, you would know that this video is a fake. If you were part of the defense establishment, maybe CIA or FSA, you would know that this video is a fake. Obviously a ripe age for pranking the world to get YouTube famous. But given the similarities with the Peruvian case and the UFO sighting a month before, if anyone can get in touch with either of these guys for me, I would welcome an introduction at jessemichaelsatproton.me. The point is with the Nazca mummies and with this Russian snow alien and any UFO sighting is that the very idea of quote-unquote disclosure is just an appeal to authority. To tell you things that you have the ability to evaluate for yourself right now. Disclosure has already occurred for many people already. The evidence might simply be hidden in plain sight. The very concept of disclosure is a complete misnomer. If we had the ultimate disclosure moment, what would it look like? You saw some gray alien wheeled out in front of Fort Detrick. God forbid a tactical nuke gets activated in Ukraine or the Middle East, but again. The UFO shuts down the launch moments before the countdown. Does the world then start to believe in alien life all at once? Probably not. You'd have half the world demanding DNA samples of the body, material analysis of the craft, a flight demonstration with skeptical academics and aviation experts present. But even then, part of society would say that the video recording of this demonstration was an AI deepfake. That the genetic data was fabricated. Reality itself would splinter. With some point in time, we'd be able to see if the UFO is actually real. And an opposing faction digging their heels in with further skepticism around deep state deception. It took mainstream archaeology 15 years to accept Gobekli Tepe after Klaus Schmidt started excavating it in 1994. And that excavation itself was over 30 years after the site was initially uncovered by the universities of Istanbul and Chicago in the 60s. And that's just an anomalously old archaeological site. It doesn't wholesale overturn our understanding of the known universe. Now we get into the more interesting question that everybody should be asking. If either of these beings, the J-types or the M-types, are real, what the f*** are they? This is the stuff that's exciting to speculate about. Chilean researcher David Velasco speculates that this could be a global subterranean species. For example, the Hopi people, traditionally associated with Arizona, have a legend around the ant people. These beings, described as wise and industrious, are said to have helped the Hopi survive by providing refuge underground and teaching them essential survival skills. They also look a lot like the reptilian beings here. They are also traditionally depicted in cave art with three fingers and three toes. Could this just be what we're seeing here? Another possible theory is that the M-types, or the hominid-looking beings, are the hybridization of the reptilians and humans. They retain some of the more idiosyncratic features of the tridactyl reptilians, like the three fingers and three toes, but they look mostly human. Remember the local dialect's translation for the name of the region? laboratory for insemination and hybridization. An even weirder theory, and perhaps the most contrarian take, would be that the J-type reptilians are the real beings, and the M-type hominids were just humans who were deformed or mutilated in an ancient sophisticated way to imitate the J-types. Finally, maybe these beings are just the grey aliens that we see in all these abduction cases. Maybe the adult ones are the quote-unquote tall greys, and the kids are the quote-unquote, little greys. They definitely look like them. In fact, former American Alchemy guest and friend of the show, Whitley Streber, who claims a lot of contact with grey aliens and whose book, Communion, helped popularize them in the United States, is deeply interested in this case. In fact, he introduced me to a lot of the researchers. But people describe greys as being able to sort of manipulate their local reality. Well, maybe the osmium and cadmium implants in these beings, allow them to control their electromagnetic signature and be perceived differently by different people. Again, who knows? And what about the least crazy possibility? The idea that maybe we've just found a new terrestrial species or a new branch of hominid. Well, you can actually look it up. We know that anywhere from 21 to 30 hominids have walked the earth, depending on how stringent your classification system is. Only human homo sapiens exist today. But guess how many hominids we've discovered in just the last 10 years? Again, depending on your strictness and definitions, anywhere from 5 to 10 have been found in just the last 10 years. That's a very high percentage of overall hominid beings discovered in just the last decade. This is the problem with fossils, right? Because when things die, they don't really create fossils unless it's a very extraordinary instance you know like something unusual has to occur you gotta get trapped in mud right now that's how so most of the things that have lived we don't have fossils of which is if this thing was a small percentage or small population small percentage of the the living humans and some of them are like that and they just died off like 500 years ago and these years ago and these ones got saved because they were around a diatomaceous earth mine, which preserves their organs and their whole body. But it's got the stink of a hoax on it, so people don't want to go and study it. The issue with the hominid thing is that hominids usually don't have three fingers or three toes, but some mammals like sloths do. But some anthropologists, like Roger Zuniga at the University of Ica, like to make a very important distinction. They say the M-types are very likely not hominid, given their unique tridactyl features. They are more humanoid. They just appear human, but are ultimately genetically and phylogenetically very dissimilar. And another thing, not everyone died at the same time. There are specimens that range from 1,800 years to 700 years ago. Wow. So over a thousand years span difference. Wow. That makes us journalists and those of us investigating think that there has been coexistence of these species with humans, our ancestors, for more than 1,000 years. The main issue with this entire case is that it has a stigma, a stench. Because as soon as you hear the term alien mummies, half the population is zealously willing to believe anything, and the other half will believe nothing you say. There are very few adults in the room, conventionally credentialed people, willing to earnestly look into this. I want you to make a two-by-two quadrant. Credentialed people is the x-axis, and open and closed-mindedness is the y-axis. Almost everyone is either in the credentialed closed-minded camp or the uncredentialed radically open-minded camp. We need more credentialed people willing to make bold moves and investigate mysteries like these. Basically, we need more people in the credentialed open-minded camp. People like John McDowell, Jim Caruso, Dr. Jose Zalce, and Dr. David Ruiz. I really appreciate that you take the effort to come to my country to investigate this closely. What you are doing hasn't been done by the scientists. The archaeologists have not done it. Neither have the YouTubers, nor the communicators, nor the journalists have done what you are doing. And I wish that our community back in the U.S. would pay more attention to what's happening here. I'm sick of like arguing about the Wilson memo and it's like, who cares? We've anointed these high priests of ufology, these people who, I won't name them, but we all know who they are, who all have security clearances. And like, we're expected to just all line up and wait for the next, you know, little drip of controlled disclosure. And for me, that's not what I signed up for. Like when I got into this, this was a very anti-authoritarian movement. This was very grassroots. You know, the people with security clearances were the enemies, unless they were becoming whistleblowers, you know? Right. I thank you once again for coming here. I hope you have a good trip, and I want to dedicate to. To dedicate to his grandpa. Oh. He's going to be, in a few moments, his grandpa. oh no we were in the middle of recording and I was informed that my grandfather had died I saw you walk over and I my heart went out to you I felt like we needed to pause and you just continued on and and so so so grateful for you man and for all your work and I know your grandfather is watching over you We're incredibly proud of all your work, and he'll continue to guide you. - Although it's clear that forensic experts in various countries, seem to think that at least the M-types or hominids are real. We're just not getting a clear sample from the genetics. Because of that, I decided to hit up my buddy Ben Lamb at Colossal Biosciences. From its inception, Colossal was advised by George Church at Harvard, maybe the top geneticist in the world. They've also single-handedly de-extincted the dire wolf. They've literally brought it back from ancient DNA samples. So they are going to run tests on these Nazca mummies. And hey, if Colossal brought the dire wolf back from extinction, maybe they can bring one of these beings back too. I'm half-joking here. I've seen Jurassic Park and I know how that story ends. But another part of me thinks that the gatekeepers won't accept the reality of these things until they see one live walking around. There's only one gate to get through. They need the permission of the Peruvian government. If the Peruvian government won't let a top American biotech company, a company advised by maybe the most famous biotech company in the world, be able to bring one of these beings back, use their proprietary ancient DNA testing techniques to test these mummies, then I don't know what else you need as far as their orientation towards the subject. Us reaching out to them and their reaction will be a clear indicator. It will be a forcing function. Are you pro-openness, humanity, and science? Or do you want to be a gatekeeper and keep a lid on this thing? Again, this is Colossal asking for permission to take samples of these bodies from Peru, to the U.S. If that doesn't work out, I will also put up all of the money to personally fly any expert in genetics, any paleoarchaeologist, any proteomics expert to go down to Peru, go to the University of Ica, and study these bodies firsthand. I think that there are a lot of different steps that need to be taken if we're going to realistically examine the specimens. And that would include, and I hope I'm not going too far, a field here, but if these are tridactyl organisms, the DNA here ought to match the DNA here, ought to match the DNA here. And interestingly enough, the DNA is most likely to be preserved in a tooth. And so if all four of those, or five of those, or more areas match up, then you've got an entity. If they don't, that's not the same organism. The definition of a grifter is someone who wants to keep these things in a liminal space. They don't want any of these cases collapsed into true or false. I could just make these videos and tell the world that these things are definitely extraterrestrial, which I can't say for certain, and just move on. But I don't want to do that. I want to actually figure out what the hell is going on. So the mystery continues, but we will find out soon whether this is a crazy, sophisticated hoax, or we have a new species on our planet. Until next time, I'm Jesse Michaels, and this is American Alchemy. He has a little eye issue. I think that the ocean would heal it, because it would be antiseptic. I'm sure your editor is going to fucking love having this footage, where he just doesn't even know how it's connected. No, we're going to include it. It's humanizing the story. Should we just take this? Chat GPT Reasoning told me that viewers get smart man fatigue from my shows, because it's too many facts. So I've got to show more personality. Interesting. So we're doing that. 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