Alanis Morissette's "You Oughta Know"

♪ Did you forget about me, Mr. Duh, blessed thee ♪ ♪ I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner ♪ ♪ There was a slapping ♪ - Duplicity, Mr. Duplicity, I don't think I'd ever heard that word before like, you know, I didn't even know what it meant. You know, I've been like. - Oh, not even in life, like, you're saying I think of pop music? - The word Duplicity does not show up in tag team, whoop there it is. It is shut up. (funky music) The luxury today, we're talking about a breakup anthem from one of the best-selling albums ever. This album has sold something like 33 million copies and it's been 12 weeks at number one on the charts. What's even crazier is that the artist, a 21-year-old Canadian singer-songwriter, was virtually unknown before she blew up. - That's right, Diallo. And today, we're gonna dig into the magic of the song that introduced her to the world. On the surface, it's just a pop rock tune, but when you listen closer, this song has elements of electronic punk funk and even alpine Swiss folk music. We're gonna be getting into all that in the stems. - We'll also talk about what happened in that movie theater. We're talking one song. And that song is "You Wanna Know" by Alanis Morissette. ♪ To the night, man ♪ ♪ On the cross side ♪ ♪ Where the chick could make you ♪ ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ♪ I don't know ♪ (upbeat music) - Hey, one song listeners. If you love our show, you should check out "Trap It All." The podcast where technology meets culture. - Each episode, "Trap It All Hosts" and founder, Dan Runsey, dicks into the strategy behind the media and technology that drives our attention. You'll hear "Trap It All" explore topics like YouTube's growing influence in music and entertainment. 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AKA the guy who whispers or sometimes shouts, "Interpolation." - And this is one song. - The show where we break down the stems and stories behind iconic songs across genres and tell you why they deserve one more listen. - You will hear these songs like you've never heard them before and you can watch one song on YouTube while you're there, please like and subscribe. - All right, Deala, when was the first time you heard you out of now? - I think like everybody else, I probably saw it on MTV, maybe heard it on the radio. But you know, the first time I ever saw Atlantis, and this is way before jagged little pill, she was a kid actor on one of my favorite Nickelodeon shows growing up, I used to love, you can't do that on television. - Oh really? - The show that gave us Green Slime. Every time I said, I don't know. - Did you know that her character was one that ended time in you with Moose? - Moose is the goat, as far as I'm concerned, as far as that cat. - I don't know Moose. - Yeah, look, I'm dating myself because this show was on Nickelodeon in like the early 80s, but I used to love it. It was basically a kids version of "Sair Night Live." And why don't we show a clip? Here's a clip of, you can't do that on television with a very young Lannis. - Did you give him a burger from across the street to get him off your back? - No, I did not. I gave my bar's burger to get him off my back. - I guess we won't be hearing from him anymore. - Maybe not the greatest moment that you can't do that on television history, but it was a very funny show. They were always just hanging out doing kids stuff, doing kids jokes. If you said the word water, they dumped water on you. And if you said, "I don't know," they dumped green slime on you. And the green slime has stayed on Nickelodeon ever since. - I was vaguely aware of this show. It wasn't quite my demographic. I mean, at the time it came out, I was a little bit older than you, my friend. But when you heard a Lannis more set and you ought to know on the radio, did you connect? - Oh, God. - This is the same Lannis right away. - Definitely not. I definitely did not think, "Oh, that's a Lannis." You can't do that on television. This video though, and this song, they were so, they were just huge hits at the time. And I think they kind of remain a quintessential snapshot of the 90s. And Lannis, you know, at that time like, her hair wasn't teased, you know what I mean? Like, she was wearing a t-shirt long before, you know, Billie Eilish made that cool. You know, like, it was just, everything was completely dressed down. I guess you could say it was like a little grunge, but like, it also just felt like the slacker 90s. You know, like, there was no heart barracuda levels of style in this music video. - Listen, I think one thing that's really interesting about investigating this song is that it really is a snapshot of 1995 musically, because it is sort of post-grunge. - And visually, yeah. - Visually she's able to take advantage of the fact that not take advantage in a sort of transaction way, but we're naturally coming into an era where we've just had grunge. We have sort of early proto-electronica also. - Sure. - This is a moment where we're starting to, because that's an element of this song and this record that can easily be forgotten, as much as, because we think of her powerful vocals and performance and maybe the band and the early footage with like Taylor Hawkins on drums. They're a rock and band, but in the recording, there's like, there are drum loops and drum machines. So this is sort of like a kin to what early garbage. ♪ I'm only happy when it rains ♪ ♪ I'm only happy when it's cold ♪ - There's some other bands. - Absolutely. Shout out to Shirley Manson, one of my favorites. - So early '90s, we had like EMF and like, unbelievable. ♪ You're unbelievable ♪ (upbeat music) - Right, Jesus Jones, Stereo MCs. There's this new experimentation with mixing electronic beats and rock guitars and in the pop song format. So when this record comes out, when this song comes out, it's right in the pocket of that. - It also had just a killer video. Let's take a quick look at the music video for you all to know. ♪ We got us money ♪ ♪ And then she have your baby ♪ ♪ I'm sure she can make for it ♪ - Excellent, mother of r. - All those r's are so distinctive. She's a very distinctive mother, her son of r. - Well, you're a pirate, yes. I forgot to add to the genre blend. There's a little pirate in there. This isn't the electronic on the punk funk. - By the way, we're gonna get into this, but the music in the video is slightly different than the music in the song. - That's right, we're gonna talk about how there's a couple different mixes, but in brief, if you buy the record of Jagged Little Pill, song number three is you ought to know, the kind of iconic canonical version, but there's a second mix, which up until COVID, basically, the video version used instead of the radio version. So these all of these decades of knowing the song, I've always a little bit be confused about why are there two different versions. We'll talk about that a little bit later on. - Absolutely, what about you, Luxury? When was the first time you heard you ought to know? - I remember I was working at a job, I had during school, during college. I was working at this company and it was, I think, popping out of the radios that all the programmers were listening to. I was working at this early internet company, basically, in Washington, D.C., when I heard it, it popped off the radio in a way that like, I can sort of remember the pull of the car over moments and when the song is so good that you're like, what is this? And certainly the previous version would have been Nirvana, smells like Team Spirit. I remember hearing that song and being like, whoa, pull that car over. What is the car over a moment? Crank it up. - I didn't say that's not a thing anymore. I feel like I can totally relate to that. I remember the very first time I heard nothing but a G thing. It was a, I know exactly where I was driving. - Right. - And I heard that I was like, well, this sounds like nothing I've ever heard before. And I remember, I didn't pull the car over. I think I was actually getting right across some train tracks. - Sometimes it's a metaphorical pulling up the car over, but it's the same way that you got to stop what you're doing. - Yes. - And just pay full attention to this incredible song. - Oh man, such a good point. That is a thing that used to be a thing. There's no longer a thing. I feel like because now you get things from the algorithm. And I don't know, it's just not the same. It's when you know that everybody is listening to the radio hearing the same thing at the same time. - That's a good point. It felt important, maybe for some reason. - It feels important, it feels, yeah. - It feels really hard. - Yeah, sure. - That's a good point of the show. Sam Sanders has said like, you know, we're losing monoculture and we definitely are because I can totally remember where I was when I heard certain songs for the first time on the radio. - I think monoculture is Sam's interpolation, isn't it? - It's a great word for him though. Like Brane Brown with vulnerability. - I always think it heard. - I don't know. - I don't know. - Where's the word? - I don't know. - It used to be chunky, but I didn't say that one. - Let's bring it back, chunky. - I love that though, a pull over the car moment. And why do you think it was? What about this song made you want to pull the car? - Well, personally, it was what I liked about the music. I was listening to at the time. It was bringing in elements of like I heard without knowing at the time that there was a connection to this band, which we'll get into. I heard the Red Hot Chili Peppers and the James Addiction, and the sort of post-grunge, grunge elements, some of them were sonic like guitars, some of them were dynamic, like the arrangement-wise, like quiet loud, like we talked about with the 60th Nirvana. - Absolutely. - That was huge enough, but then add another 99% for this insanely good vocal. The best, one of my favorite vocals, lyrically delivery, the emotions there, the Rhana. - Well, it has a melody. She has a great voice. - That's a good voice. - It's a different voice, you know. It reminds me of like maybe the first time people heard Mama Cass or Janice Joplin, you know. Like certain women just explode on the scene and their voice is so unique that it immediately becomes that thing that you can like do an impression of. This is so unique. - Yeah, she does have some distinctive mannerisms and ways of hitting certain like sounds or vowels or euconsonance actually in certain cases. We're gonna talk about it. about that when we get to her isolated vocals a little bit later. Well, yeah, also, I feel like we heard her emotion, right? Like there was a lot of emotion in this song. There's an authenticity that's hard to like pin down. That word, it does, it does a lot of lifting and it's hard. It doesn't really get to the heart of things. It's like saying the word cool. What does that mean? But there's an authenticity that you can't necessarily put your finger on, but you know she means it. You know this is so real. And it's so relatable. I mean, like, you know, I was just going to say that like, this is like, you know, a feminist anthem. But I feel like anybody who's ever felt jolted can relate to it. I was literally male female, whatever. You're speaking my mind, my friend. That was exactly what I was going to say. Transcends that it's another person. It transcends that other person happens to be female. Like it's just like this is my story too. I'm hearing this song and I can relate to it. Can I can I tell you though? I actually can't relate to it in one sense because I've never been dumped. I was never dumped. Okay. And here's here's the fun. Quite the flex my friends. Well, no, it's not. Here's where it is going. It's a good flex when I met my wife. We we laughed because she's she's never been dumped. Okay. We were like, neither of us has ever been dumped. So like clearly, one of us is going to lose eventually. Right. Like right. Maybe in death. If you if you're part of dies, you're effectively dumped. It's like the idea like one of you married up. But which of you married? I know I was just like, hey, what is it? Babe, one of us who's getting the better head there. Strieg broken is going to get the better deal here. It's been 17 years. It either one of us has had this. By contrast, I have been broken up with and I'm going to list all of those women right now. I had just been dumped. You're actually making me remember. There was a major dumpage that it happens. You've been dumped just moments earlier when this song came out because it was not only a dumpage. It was a double dumpage where it's like the girl that I had been seeing started to date my best friend. So I lost both of those people in one moment. It was a double dump. I'm sorry, my friend. You're just bringing back an old memory. So that is her name. Oh my gosh. Bleep that out. But use it. Let's back up a bit. We've gone really far in that direction. But I think we were both surprised to learn that prior to Jackie Lillipil, Atlantis had a totally different sound in the early 90s. At the time, she was in her teens. She was assigned to MCA. And she released two albums for MCA. Let's watch the video for one of her early singles. Here's two high. I love this song because I love Paula Abdul. I know it's straight up. I love Taylor Dane. It does feel very straight up. It's very Paula Abdul meets Taylor Dane, meets Bobby Brown, maybe. For those listening. And you really shouldn't just listen. You should really watch this on YouTube. But for those listening, it's styled like Paula Abdul. It's black and white. She's got like the checkerboard, you know, shirt tied around a waist in my face. It is straight up straight up. It's straight up straight up. Now tell me 100%. Yeah, that was that was that was good song. I actually did that song. It was it was dance pop. One of these days, I would love to do like a freestyle episode. Like a song that you know, because that's such a fun genre. I feel like whether it's freestyle or sort of like early 90s dance pop. Yeah, we've got some definitely a genre that I feel like is kind of left in the past. But like, there's, there's some gyms in there. I'm always, I'm always thinking about left music play. Like once a week, Shannon. Gotta get some one song, Shannon. And actually listen to the show. These albums that you did for MCA, were not a commercial success. And by 1992, Alannas was no longer satisfied doing the dance pop things. She was entering her early 20s. And her songwriting was moving in a more introspective direction. MCA did not like that at all. So they dropped her. And this ends up being a blessing in disguise. Because if that didn't happen, she might not have packed up her bags and moved to Los Angeles. So just for those of our listeners who aren't aware of how the songwriting process often works in pop circles. When I moved to LA, I was in a publishing deal, which meant that I was a track person that would be put in a room with a top liner, which is a lyrics and melody specialist. And the two of us would write songs together. This was my career for about four years. So what Alannas is doing in this moment is exactly that. She has a publishing deal, but no record deal. So there's a publisher who's motivated to have her write songs that they can, you know, financially benefit from when she gets a record deal. And she is in room after room after room, writing song after song and really honing her craft. She talks about that she would write like dozens of songs. Like she would have a session in the morning and another session in the afternoon, seven days a week, kind of a workaholic. But really honing her craft and getting good at writing songs quickly, which is really important because when she meets one of our unsung heroes of this show, which we will now talk about, that's Glenn Ballard in Los Angeles. The two of them click as a writing duo in these circumstances of just sitting in a room, trying to get a song out without any thought as to how-- - And are they writing, I'm just curious, 'cause I don't know, are they writing, I mean, obviously they're writing songs that she would like to sing, but are they writing songs for other people? - That's an important distinction, you're right. There are circumstances where sometimes you're writing just to get the song out and who knows who will cut it. Maybe it's for another artist, you hope to get it cut by a big artist 'cause that's how you make money. But then there are circumstances where there are artists that are themselves writing for other people potentially. This song feels like a me song, I'll keep it for myself. I think in the circumstances here with Glenn Ballard and Alanis Morris set, they're writing ostensibly for Alanis. These are really personal songs. I don't know that there's any thought that they'd tried to, they'd tried to have it cut by a big pop star of the day by a Paula Abdool for me. Yeah. So a little bit more about Glenn Ballard, we've actually mentioned it before on the show. If you go back to our Michael Jackson Billie Jean episode, one of the songs that didn't make Thriller was a song that Glenn Ballard had written called Nightline. He was one of Quincy Jones' stable of in-house writers. He worked for Quest. So he wrote a bunch of hits including Man in the Mirror for Michael Jackson. He wrote Wilson Phillips, Hold On. He actually wrote for Paul Abdool. Her name has come up three times already. Just six minutes of this episode. So they were put together by a publishing company. They clicked and they wrote together starting in early 1994. As Glenn Ballard tells the story, the first song was "All I Really Want." ♪ And I really want it ♪ ♪ It's some patience ♪ They wrote it and recorded it all in one day, finished it that night, recorded it, played it for the publisher the next day who liked it, and that was the pattern that they, for the rest of the year they would get together and just have these really intense conversations about life, which would turn into lyrics. And then Glenn would go off and work up the music while Alanis would focus on the lyrics and melody record the song, move on to the next day. 20 songs in 20 days across a few months. So they would meet at his like Encino-based home studio, which by the way, in 1994, this is a new ability that you don't have to write out in an expensive studio. Basically, the songwriting process is starting to become potentially also the recording process. 'Cause one thing that's really interesting about Jagged Little Pill is that it's mostly the demos they made in his home studio in Encino. And in 1994, we take this for granted now. - We so take it for granted. - But it was- - This is the whole album of your closet. - He had an ADAT machine, which is a precursor, not even a laptop. This was sort of earlier digital recording technology. And because he also happened to be simultaneously a guitar player and songwriter, but he was interested in early electronics. We'll talk about it when we get to the sims. But he's using a Lynn 900 and he's using loops. So you have the ability with that, two people can make an entire song, an entire album, not to mention a hit record. There were overdubs. We'll get into that a little later. But for the most part, this record was made by two people in a garage with an engineer for some overdubs in Encino, California in 1994. - And you know what's funny? It feels personal and homemade, so to speak. - Yeah. - And what I thought was really interesting is at some point she left Los Angeles and went back to Canada and he was like, oh, I guess that's the end of this relationship. But then when she came back, he was like, oh man, she's only gotten better. - Yeah. - There's so much like mutual love and respect between these two artists. - 100%. - It's gotta love their relationship. - And again, going back to my experience in the room, I know the feeling of sometimes you get connected with somebody and you really have something. It's a combination of maybe your musical taste, but also just the rhythm and pace of how you work and how you think and how vulnerable one person can allow the other person to feel because it's a very vulnerable thing to write music together, to have something that isn't quite right yet. And maybe the other person, if you sense that they're impatient, you know what I mean? That can really put a damper on that. - Oh, absolutely, relationship. - Yeah, I feel like this is almost like the opposite of an impatient relationship. Glenn wasn't coming in with some big agenda or trying to shape her into anything. So Lannis had the freedom, you know, she had the freedom to write about whatever was on her mind and you can hear all that freedom on jagged little pill and songs like "Hand in my pocket." ♪ Hand in my pocket and the other one ♪ ♪ Let's give it a high five ♪ - You learned. ♪ We learned, we learned, you loved ♪ - And one of my absolute favorites, head over feet. ♪ Don't be alone if I fall ♪ ♪ Head over feet ♪ - And of course, ironic. Let's watch a bit of that iconic, ironic music video. ♪ It's like rain ♪ ♪ I'm your wedding day ♪ ♪ It's a free ride ♪ - So good, she's so good. She is so good, she's such a good artist. It's such a good record. - Everything about her is great. I love her. We like talking about people who are great. - I just, I'm so excited. I get so into this, yeah. I mean, it was crazy. I didn't even know how much more popular Ironic has stayed. It's actually her most stream song. - How ironic. - More than you, don't you think? I do, I do think. No, but think about it. Like if you were alive in the '90s, you would assume you ought to know way out of head, but Ironic has twice the streams. - Yeah. - It's crazy. - But I think that's because people come to it, and obviously there's always been that debate about, are these things really ironic or do they just suck? - I think it's a little easier to sing too. You ought to know it's really hard to sing. It's hard to like belt and hit those notes, and you just can't get that emotion. So it's like, "Why try?" - With Ironic, that's the crowd singling. That's the stadium sing-along. - Yeah. - This record I think. - I think you're right. So in that music video, it's a couple of Atlanta's says, Atlanta, I think we can call it-- - Atlanta sees. Atlanta sees, you know, there's one driving, there's one in the back seat being whimsical. - Yeah. - But they're all buds. They like each other. - They're all hanging out. - She likes all of her different selves. - I don't know where she's driving, but that looks like Canada to me. When I think Canada, I think. - Frigid. - It looks very cool. - Frigid road. - Yeah. You know what, it's funny. You're making me think that there's another element to her, like the genre blend. Like she has this sort of iconic beanie. Like her hair is disheveled and the oversized clothes, but there's definitely a post-grunge and musically as well. - Well, she has like almost like dreadlocks too. - There's a pearl jammingness to the music, I would say. And in 1995, like the, that was a few years earlier, it's still happening. It's still a pearl jam right now. But my point is, is that pop music tends to absorb other elements that were once more underground. And by 1995, we are fully absorbed. All the nirvana isms, all the electronic isms, even the punk funk isms of like the chilly pastries. - We were talking about this. - And pearl jamming. - In relation to this episode. And yes, I think that pop music always looks for a cosine from the underground. Like this is 1995. This is the same year the Mariah Carey does a song with Olderty Bastard. And that's like getting a sign off from Wu-Tang class. So she's going to hip hop for a cosine. I feel like Lannis is going to like-- - The vision. - And alternative rock. So like, this song could have been produced by Butch Bink. You know what I mean? Like, you know, who's working with garbage and-- - At exactly the same time making a very similar kind of sound. - Yeah. - It should be said with like drum loops and then rock guitars. - Absolutely. - So there's something really interesting about that absorption. And I don't necessarily, I'm not, I don't know that it was like strategic or planned. I think it's a very, she's probably just into that music. - I think very much so, yeah. - And she tried, you know, she'd done the dance pop thing in her teens and she wanted to do something more authentic, more real. And this is the 90s. - Right. - So like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of growling in the 90s. You know, a lot of like, you know, like, "Ah, you know, I'm like, you know, that's what people wanted to hear tonight." - And also the reason why Nirvana and Pearl Jam and these Grunge bands were so important is 'cause they really did unlock this other available lane of vulnerability and in aggressive music. And so that's another kind of opportunity that the Lannis is like, this is what I want to be doing right now. And I think the writing process from Elle Accounts just unfolded very naturally without any sort of like record industry like strategy. There was a record label to speak of. - Right. - But this was something that she was naturally drawn to or I should say, it just came out of her in that way that maybe happened to coincide with what this post Grunge sounded like. - This is also the 90s. And the 90s is just like, it was such a good time to release really big albums. Like I think about Green Day, Duky, Nirvana's never mind. Like, they're just some really big albums during this period. And Jagged Little Pill is easily one of the biggest. - Yeah, and it's the end of that chapter probably in human history 'cause the monoculture is coming to a close with the internet as well. - It's like only five years away. - Yeah, about five years away from the end. But also, Lannis is part of like this generation of female artists. And it's specifically like alternative rock and folk that they are expressing themselves completely honesty. There's like another level of honesty. And I love it because it's like artists like PJ Harvey. ♪ Baby, baby ♪ ♪ And it's true ♪ - And Tori Amos. ♪ Ever was a cornflake girl ♪ - Today I need to Franco. ♪ I'm the first girl in the poster ♪ ♪ I am 30 to claim it ♪ - Even Tracy Chapman, I would argue. ♪ Get a fast car ♪ ♪ I want it to get too many ways ♪ - Like these are artists that are sort of walking so that Lannis can mainstream that sound and experience all the success. And because of first success, then you have the success of like a garbage or like an Avril Lavigne. I'm gonna say Billie Eilish again because again, this is sort of that first lady who was able to just get out there and just a t-shirt and some comfortable pants and rock out two millions. I mean like she's on tour for a long time, like millions of people all over the world coming out to see her and this amazing band perform. All right, we're gonna take a quick break, but when we get back, we're gonna hear Lannis's raw, isolated vocals. We're going to hear the original demo. I'm so excited about that. And we're gonna find out how two of the Red Hot Chili Peppers were the missing links the song needed. When we get back. (dramatic music) Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. Maybe it's Mavily. All right, welcome back to one song. So before we get into the stems, we would like to share with you the one song nation, the demo. - So bear in mind as you listen to this, that her vocal take on this is the final vocal take that got used in the final song. - Awesome. - But the musical bed is very different and we'll break that down after we listen. ♪ I want you tonight ♪ - Okay, so here's a part that's different. ♪ Like you gave them to me, wasn't able to make it ♪ ♪ But you did it all for me ♪ - You lost me enough time. I gotta say at first, I was liking it. - Okay. - I like that. - It's not a good tar thing. - It's just a tar thing, but then when it gets to the. - The build, the pre-chorus. - Yeah. - And that bass line is kind of. - Let's talk about that bass sound. It's a little bit silly. It's a little bit. It's got like a filter on it. It's got like kind of a parliament fun, like a Bootsie Collins. You kind of like, wow. - I don't know what to say. It almost seems to be so Bootsie Collins a little bit. - Well, that's, we just said the same thing. - Yeah. - Yeah, there's a little bit of silliness I would say. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - As opposed to serious rockings. It's like, so basic, like it's like. - Well, what's interesting is we keep those drums throughout the entire, those drums remain. That's a drum machine loop that is in the final version, but it was enhanced and, you know, overdubbed with a real drummer. - With a real drummer, which you feel, do feel that real drummer, yeah. - And one last thing, which is super minor, but like, or unimportant, relatively speaking, but the chord changes in that pre-the build are slightly different. And they go to the five, which is the dominance, which is like, you want your ear wants to go back to the one, but it's a little too on the nose. It's a little too obvious. - You know, I came across this quote from Flea about his reaction to the original bass line. Flea says quote, "That's some weak shit. It was no flash and no smash." I like that, no flash and no smash. But the vocal was strong. So I just tried to play something good. I showed up, I rocked out and split. - That's right. - So how does Flea get involved in all this? - So Gio Ciri at Maverick Records, who was Madonna's manager for many years, and actually Red Hot Chili Peppers and U2's managers for very many years. He might even still be the Chili Peppers manager, I believe. But he was the first label to not pass on this incredible demo that got shopped around. Everybody passed, every label was not interested. But Gio Ciri was interested. Gio Ciri knew a guy called Jimmy Boy. He knew a guy. He knew a guy called Jimmy Boyle. That's the name of a guy that, when you know a guy, that's that guy's name. Sure enough, Jimmy Boyle was another producer and an unsung hero of this episode. Because he did the alternative mix we talked about earlier. He did track 13 on Jagged Little Pill, which is a slightly different version, a slightly different mix of the same recording of You Out and No. So it's called The Jimmy, The St. Blend. ♪ But it's the best for you both ♪ ♪ I know the version of me ♪ And he's also the link in the chain that brought in Dave Navarro from Jane's Addiction. But in this moment, Red Hot Chili Peppers. Oh, that's right. What Gio Ciri gives him full credit. And so there's a guy called Jimmy I was hanging out with at the time. He kept saying, gosh, imagine what this would sound like with a stronger bass and guitar. Alanis and Glen were down to try it out and the rest is history. So we have some drum machine and we also have a live drummer. I've got to hear the drums. Well, the song begins with the live drummer and it goes back and forth and then they get blended. It's very interesting mix of electronic and live. It's Matt Laug is his name. He's a session and touring drummer. He's worked with everybody from Donna Summer to AC/DC for whom he's currently the tour drummer. Oh, oh. And he heard the same demo that we heard and added some live drums on top, starting with this at the very beginning. (drums beating) So he's playing the snare with brushes. Yeah, you can sit here. Kind of jazzy. (drums beating) And that's what's playing in the intro underneath Alanis' kind of otherwise acapella vocal. What's interesting, a little fun fact is that he'd actually recorded it later in the song. Yeah. It was for a different section near the bridge, like during the bridge. But when the song was mixed, the final version, he was like, oh, cool. What a good idea to bring that to the front of the song as well. But you'll also hear it a little bit later, a little bit of an easter egg. What drum break does that sound like? Is that a man, brother? Which, which one is that to chat, to chat, to chat, to chat? Maybe that's that syncopated death to death. I'll tell you what I think it is. So there is a little moment in music history where there's a lot of like soup dragons and a lot of kind of the baggy like matchester adjacent where they used that beat all the time and it's boom boom ke ke ke ke boom ke It drives me crazy. That's my least favorite rhythm Especially when like a British you know white British drummer is playing in an Indie rock band. It always I don't hate it I mean, I don't know why I don't have a reason. I just don't like it But I hadn't noticed it. Maybe when it gets transferred to the brushes It sort of loses its matchester bagginess that always annoyed me a little bit But you'll hear that all the time in those bands. It's also funky drummer has a similar syncopation pattern. Yeah for whatever Classic breaks and we've always said on the show you can't really copyright a break. Oh god You know, it's a rhythm. It's a rhythm. Yeah. Yeah, but you're playing a pattern of You know, syncopated snare hits, but that's what I hear when I hear those what he's using the pressure That's what it evokes. I think it's a good call. Yeah, he evokes a lot of those like iconic breakbeats. So then right after this intro We get right into the verse and we move from live drummer to drum machine I'm gonna play you the transition because it's actually pretty abrupt But in the mix, you just don't notice it because you're so locked into the vocal. Yeah, but here's how that happens as we go From her singing best for you both this is underneath that part It almost seems like it didn't light up perfectly There's something to that in this song which I have been noticing just going through the stems There's a lot of loops that don't line up perfectly because we're not in a in a screen grid Pro Tools era. This is all done on ADAT, which is Literally on VHS tape. It's a digital recording technology where you don't have the visual So you're doing it by feel by luck by by hooker by crook to get things to line up and kind of incredible job That Glenn Ballard and Chris Vogel did collectively, but you know It's imperfect and maybe that adds to some of the humanity of the song. Do we hear what we're talking? You want to hear that again? I'll put the vocal in just so you kind of know where we're at. Yeah It's a little bit late. It's like slightly delayed. You know, maybe it's just because we have now just lived in the grid so long It's so funny how wrong that sounds But I would argue and I think you would agree especially in this era all the hip-hop all of the electronica Not all but like a great percentage of it has these little pre-digital pre-pro Tools pre able to in everything being lined up Moments that actually arguably give it some humanity. Yeah, yeah until it bothers It's like there's one line on a digable planet song where where doodle bug comes in so off and it just jars me every just can't do it No, what's the line? I need to know ruin that song for me my man do planets do it lovely and my brother's keeper Like I do it on the beat he does it. Oh, he doesn't off the beat. Oh come on. It's not lined up, dude And it's bothered me to spend doodle bug in his timing To to my dying day 1993 that that line has been off and I'm like did nobody else hear this long? Doodle bug. I got your back Just this a guy What is that word other episode can't you came anywhere So that drum machine is programmed by Glenn Ballard using a Lynn 9000 which was one of his favorite tools He loved it because you were able to use drum sounds but also other sounds So there's a level which I think he's using this almost as a sampler It's unclear to me exactly the tech I've listened to every interview and read every article to the best of my understanding though A lot of the programming is through the Lynn 9000 because it's not just for drum sounds But that loop and that groove-based writing is really starting to be a thing in pop music writing If anything it becomes the standard at this point And he's doing it for this entire record starting with a loop starting with a groove and then having that vibe Bring the rest of the instruments on top. He talks about how he especially like this is kind of a nerdy thing But on the Lynn 9000 the high-hat has eight different positions So you can have it closed semi-open big open That's going to come into play when we listen to the chorus drums in a moment because I actually wonder if this is a drum machine or a live drummer Or if it's Matt Loughg It's possible that in this next part what we're about to hear is the drum machine with just a snare on top Or it could be a full kit. I'm not really clear But it's Matt Loughg doing at least a snare drum possibly the entire kit Mixed with that same drum loop and here it is. This is the chorus and I'll play for you just this wonderful fill That's very human going into the chorus and you can hear the transition from drum machine to blend And talking about the imperfections notice in that drum machine that it doesn't quite there is a little gap In between the beats. I'll play it for you again. Listen for every bar at one two three four little gap one two three For see if you can hear that display Right? Yeah, it's a little bit of a stutter there totally because it's not Probably being played live. It's a loop to be clear Matt Loughg is playing drums over the loop But in the loop itself, it's not lining up perfect. You can loop a live drummer And I do feel like the reason you hear that gap is because When it comes back in so to speak yeah, there's like there's like an echo of something that came before Yeah, there's a reverb echo, which I believe is just the room where he recorded the drums Yeah, you can kind of hear that off. I think you can left channel a little bit And it adds liveliness to the feel totally and as I was researching the show There's one big fill in this song which maybe the favorite part of every drummer on it certainly is for me But it's the big fill that takes you out of the bridge and gets you back into the final pre-chorus So here it is and I will have to air drum this You got to get that double crash it. I love it I love that I feel like we've had a click on the show before oh heart barracuda has that cooking It also reminds me of a fucking of the bushes by oasis, which Has sort of very similar drums to little miss lover. Oh, okay. Can we hear us? Sure Oh, that's a hundred percent little miss lover with a great trashy SM 58 in the room Miking the whole kit sound. Yeah, that's dope. That's dope. And it's definitely Mitch Mitchell coded thousand percent And loud talks about mat lag talks about when he heard that demo He knew that there was an opportunity to go from that really chill bridge into this last pre with that energy He says when he heard that I heard the drum fill that I played on the record in my head And I thought that'd be a cool fill to place. I wrote it in my charts. I wouldn't forget it So when he first heard the demo he's like I know exactly what needs to go there And he was right because that's the moment that I got I got to pull my car over twice for that one Just to like air drum in and when I'm listening it to pull over twice I had to pull over twice Pull over once to listen and second time street and you just block and try. Here's what I do when I listen to Atlanta's more set I pull the car over I listen to the song And then right during the bridge I start driving again so that I can pull over right at the end of the bridge to play that fill It's just who I am. You're not a safe driver No, do not don't drive behind me or next to me Or in front of me a lot of cool stuff happening with the drums there I really want to talk about the bass a guitar on this song a scrucial Crucial bass all right. Let's listen to Michael Balsari aka flea play f sharp A lot of f sharp in this song in the verse and into the pre but let's listen So he's just riding that f sharp pedaling During the beginning of the song he gets a little more fun a moment later And I'll play you where we are in the song a little vocal for context I make it out of fire to be open wide No That's trading the pre-chorus and what's cool about that is that he's really just rooted on that f sharp That is the root note the tonic of the song and we're hearing a lot of other notes a lot of playful funk bass or punk funk bass But what's happening on top of that is different Dave Navarro is not playing the f sharp. He's not playing the root. He's playing the three to the four to add some contrast I'll play it for you. So here is just isolated what Dave is playing on top of that with one guitar So he's going from the three to the four Very a lot of tremolo a lot of chorus effects. Love that There's a second guitar and then I'll put them together and then I'll add the bass back The second arpeggio is a little bit different sounds like this. It's really beautiful But now you've forgotten what key you're in. I'll bring back flea Here that contrast So there's a lot of tension you built because they're they're playing different chords essentially Please playing the one the f sharp and the two guitar parts are going from three to four the three two the four I should say from a to b So when you hear them isolated it's almost like you're hearing two different songs And then when you bring them together at the end they mesh so well They mesh so well, but they're adding this extraordinary tension which is about to break three as I literally ended it as we get to the chorus. And then they lock in together, and we get the four chords, and that's the pop chorus. Here's what it sounds like in the bass first. Just eighth notes playing the root notes of the chorus. [MUSIC] And at the very end, he does something to map to her vocal. [MUSIC] You, you, you, you, just my favorite people. He's incredible. It should be noted. He's, but he's also one of the first people who made me realize, like sort of like in my late teens and 20s, that, oh, I like it when the bass is doing something inventive or different, or like sort of stand out because that doesn't happen too often. He's one of my favorite bass players. It should be noted that they are playing to the demo with, I believe the instrumental parts muted just the vocal and the drums. Really? I think that's what's happening from the telling, from the like quotes that are out there. So they are reharmonizing the song to a certain degree. It was their choice to retain the F sharp, but have the chords go from the three to the four on top, the A to the B. That was new decisions that they made. Remember how before with the silly bass? Sounds totally. We were going in the pre-chorus to different chords. So they've simplified it. We're not going to that five. We're not going to that dominant. And the other thing I wanted to point out, as you mentioned, is that he is emphasizing that you, you, at the very end. Because that's already there. That's already in the track. So that's this section at the very end. I'll put Alanis back so you can hear they work together. ♪ To make you hear your heart and love ♪ You, you. So he's like, do, do. Do he's matching her rhythm basically? Remind me of all of this when we get to the splits because it's going to be very interesting conversation that you can bet. And listen, just because we're talking about Flee and Dave, this is maybe our stealth, Red Hot Chili Peppers episode. Because this song musically is a very high percentage to your point, Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm so glad you said that. What we're hearing is the non drums and vocal part of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It's just a band with two music instrument playing members. Until we started doing this episode, I didn't even know that these guys were on the song. You know, you could have told me it was her touring band who's all in the jagged documentary. For those listening, if you really want to go on a super deep dive on the album, the jagged documentary is on it. It's great. And it's a really good dive. Apparently she's not a fan of it. Lannis had some issues with some, I think she had some issues with some of the things that she said in the documentary is my theory. Yeah. You know, because it's it's a little bit of a words and all documentary. But yeah, very good documentary for those who want to like know how this album came together. And Flee's doing some fun fills all over the song and adding like bits of color. Look, it's a punk funk song, punk funk, by the way. This is a very forgotten subgenre. There was a moment where there was like fishbone. The loniest monster. Another big LA band that never quite broke out of. But everyone talks about. You know, Primus kind of fits in there. I have to admit, I used to see a lot of Primus shows. When I was in high school, I had a fake ID and I would go see Primus. It was all punk funk in that moment. I would see Primus and the Limbo Maniacs and Fungo Mungo. These are bands that only people who lived in San Francisco in like early 90s would have known about. But like that was a huge scene. You know what? Faith No More, frankly, is in that genre, I would say too. 100% Faith No More. There's like a hard rock maybe edge to them more so than some of the other bands. But it's funk rhythms and certainly like literally that he's popping and slapping that basically. I can't say that. Think about Epic. Boom. It's like hip hop. I think it's the best ending of a song ever. It's the best ending for any song ever. There's some really cool moments that I always notice in the song where Flee is 100% like having his bass playing match the vocal, match the lyrical content. I'll give you one example of that. I'll play Flee and I'll play Alanis Isolated Together. There was a slapping in the face. Right here. I always think of that as the slap in the face. This is a Red Hot Chili Pepper song with a drum machine and Alanis Morrison singing it on top. That's the musical content that we're hearing in the song for the most part. And it feels like it too. But this is the only song on this album that has Flee and they devour it. That's right. Right. Imagine setting your makeup. No tightness. No stickiness. No residue. Just plum. Do we hydrate it skin? That still feels like your skin. Maybe it's Mavily. And then at the very end, we have this wonderful wailing solo. Let's listen. It's like a battle between like Alanis and this like wailing note. And she wins. She wins. She wins at the end. The wailing note ends before she ends. So it's like kind of a purek victory. That's funny. I hear a battle too. But I actually hear this crazy note supporting her. Yeah. To me, it's like her banterman. Yeah. You know, like chapter she's won this battle. Her banterman come out and they've got these like, you know, Floyd. You've played some vocals. It's like the audio version of the steam coming out of her ear. Absolutely. Absolutely. The structure of this song is just so good. Because now you like, you appreciate that sound at the end, because that's letting you know, like, hey, this is all coming to a climax. I love her vocals. This sounds so good. Hearing her vocal isolated. Can we hear a little bit of a verse one? I want you to know that I'm happy for you. One thing I want to point out. I'm so happy for him. I know. I don't know if I take it at face value, what you're saying on it. One thing to point out is we're listening. You can hear the bleed in her headphones. And now that we've heard the demo, listen, is that guitar riff that we all heard? Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. As I continue to play the rest of this, listen for that. I wish nothing but the best for you both. Right, do you hear that? By the way, this is the only time Alanis ever sang it in the studio. This is one take and it's her first take. All the vocals were the original vocals. There's something about those first takes. I don't know, you know, even when we're on set, we're shooting a scene. I'm always like, shoot the rehearsal because sometimes it happens and you never get it back. It has a special vibe that like you, the more you refine it, the worse it gets. In fact, Glenn Ballard said, there was some talk about refining things and redoing them. There was something about the moment of creation when we did it and she was right. Because some of the vocals here at Isolated are in the red, they're like too hot. So it's distorted, but it only contributes to the overall vibe of the song, the energy of the lyric. Let's hear a little more of verse one, an older version of her, maybe? Another version of me is she perverted like me, which she goes on you in on theater. I like that. The 90s had such inventive ways of like editing. Yeah. Well, especially because like why are we editing out down on you in the theater? Like I said, the first time they played this on K-Rock, everybody was calling in. Everybody wanted, I think when you fuck her, it was edited, obviously. You can't say that, but I'm pretty sure that they play and go down on you in a theater, playing out. That's one of the things that hooks you, it grabs you. But I guess once the song blows up and it's major, you do need a radio edit because sometimes people are driving into work at 8 a.m. and it's just like, going down on your theater seems like so. Or the kids are in the car. You know what I like to talk about it right now? Maybe a little later. Maybe years from now. They're actually informing me of obscenities. And I'm like, wait, that's what that means. And just to call attention, because it's throught the song, we have all these elanacisms, sounds and a moding that aren't necessarily lyrical or melodic. But listen, here's one at the end of that line. Let's just point out the a. Well, now that I hear it, it's the whole word has like so many elanacisms in it. And you in the a.m. of the a.m. double a.m. they're double a. That's such a thing. Let's continue into the pre and you'll notice that what we had up the middle as a centered vocal is now split into the left and right channel. It's actually two takes. Okay. I think this is the one section of the song that isn't a single, not doubled ie multi attract vocal. Happens right here. So you hear two elanacisms here. And every time you speak her name, does she know how you told me it helped me until you died. Till you died. But it's still alive. Okay. The line. So good. But you're still alive. Yeah. It's so funny. It's so. I love that line. It is really funny. It's really funny. She's mad at him that he's still. That's a great line. You're right. It is. I love that line. I forget that. It's a fucking bomb. It's so good. I know. I'm on a green. Yeah. Across hyper. But like that's that's a line I heard from the very first time. I was like, wow. She's singing lyrics like every now and maybe it's the writer of me. Like certain lines. I'm like, how did you get those words in there so wonderfully, so beautifully like to work that phrase into a song is like a mega hit. Yeah. sometimes like there are a couple of like, you know, oceans of violence and blue, you know, like, It's like, oh, that's fucking poetry. And I love the line. It's not fair to deny me the cross I bear. You know, like it's such a great line. ♪ It's not fair to deny me ♪ ♪ Of the cross I bear that she gave to me ♪ - I almost apologize in advance for trying to explain it 'cause there's no explanation. She was born, the way she was born, a creative and incredible soul. And she has her 10,000 hours by this point. She has been writing for years and for forming. And she has honed her craft. And she has innate gifts. And there's probably other things that contribute to it. But this is genius lyricism. It's genius delivery. It's the first and only take of the vocal. And they've kept in all of these breaths and everything. This is also a moment where like how risky, how daring, I mean, at the time they were doing it, they had no record label. There was no sense of like someone waiting for some polished final product. And then when they're taking it around, nobody's interested. - Props to Guy Osyrian Novrick for keeping it this sort of like raw demo. Like it's wonderful that they kept the rawness of the sound. - Guy had an ear. - You know, he was like 19 or something. He was really young when he started an opera. - Yeah, by the way, this is one of those songs where every verse sort of has something very memorable going on. - Oh, absolutely. - I really want to hear verse two. ♪ Did you forget about me ♪ ♪ Mr. Duh, blessed day ♪ ♪ I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner ♪ ♪ There was a slapping ♪ - Duplicity, Mr. Duplicity. I don't think I'd ever heard that word before. Like, you know, I think I'd be able to do what it meant. - Oh, not even in life. Like, you're saying I think of pop music. - This is the '90s. I definitely had never been to therapy. Like the idea that like, you know, co-dependent relationship, you know, duplicitous behavior. Like, again, these are words that you would not expect to be slipped in. - Right. - But this is all part of her lyricism, bringing just a new rawness, a new honesty. - You're right. - I might honestly, you know, therapy words. - This is introspection language that we hadn't necessarily heard on the radio to this degree. - Yes, no. - With this poetic degree, for that matter. - No, this, this, the word duplicity does not show up in tag team who there it is. It is shut up. But I digress, that's a different episode. - I also really love this line about, you know, I hate to bother you in the middle of dinner. - Bug you. - I hate to bug you in the middle of dinner. - Oh yeah. - Another favorite. - This is a famous line. And we, let's talk about this. Because this gets to the heart of like, is this song written about somebody in particular? Any time I brought up this song with friends this week. - Yeah. - They're like, "Oh yeah, that's Dave Cullier." And obviously, Dave Cullier, Uncle Joey, from Full House, you know, he has told this story about hearing this song on the radio for the first time. He's driving, it comes on. He knows him and Alannis used to date at some point. And as the lyrics of "Foties" starts to you wait. Is this song about me? He points specifically to the dinner line because apparently Alannis once called him while he was at dinner after they had broken up. So he felt like that would hit a little close to home. He's never really addressed the movie theater line, the famous movie theater line. Probably smart on his behalf. And Alannis, I want to point out, has said many times, she loves to hear people talk about, oh, this song's about me, this song's about, because she would argue that it's not about Dave Cullier. It's not about, you know, she's never confirmed or denied that this song was about any particular person. I actually do think it's probably her singing to a composite character of many people that she's dated. - Yeah, and I think she's been very consistent about the idea that the song has more power when it's not revealed who the person is. And it doesn't really matter. And probably would break some of the song's power if it was too closely associated. - Yeah, this is why we have Carly Simon, you're so vain, it's the same thing. - It's the same thing. - I mean, people have kind of sleuthed out over the years, some very strong candidates, but like, there's something nice about the mystery. And I don't think we need to know for sure. - And I think it's, I think it's, it's classy on her behalf. And I think it's also funny that every time somebody new says, "Oh, this song is about me." She's like, "It reveals something about there." - Right, oh yeah, why do you think that? Yeah, and just to be clear, 'cause we mentioned it before, the whole like Swiss Alpine thing. - There's a Yodeling there, yeah. She's doing what's basically going from your body, your chest voice to your head voice, and back again, really quickly, which is the essence of what a Yodeling is. I'll just isolate that for you again. Here is Alanis Morissette, Yodeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One more time. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's what to do. That's a skill set she has developed. - That's so fun. - All right, so now that we've heard the song, and you've told us, you know, the contributions of all these wonderful musicians that I didn't even know about, how do the splits break down? - So the splits of this song, the publishing splits, are 50% Alanis Nadine Morissette. - I know. - 50% Glen Ballard. Oh, how does Flea and how does Flea feel about that? - You know, it's a 50/50 split on the songwriting because songwriting, just the way copyright works. And it's kind of also just how it has been. It's one of those, this is the way it is guys. But at the same time, I think Flea and Dave were really just brought in a session musicians. And we talked about this many times in the show. - Yes, sometimes session musicians bring a lot. - Sometimes they bring a lot, and they're subject to literally the power dynamics of the moment. If they were brought in and said, "Hey, you want the gig, I'll give you 50 bucks." Then they take the 50 bucks and that's the way it works. And that's capitalism, that's power. That's a whole other discussion. The whole other podcast, whether that's fair, I think in these circumstances, it's Flea, it's Dave from the Chili Peppers. They're doing their body. They're doing their butt solid. And they're having fun. And I don't. - That Flea's on the beach. He's like, I did a nice split. - He did a nice split. And what they're contributing is obviously hugely important, but it seems as though they aren't feeling left out as something they felt like they deserve. So how many boats can you ski behind, bro? - Wait, who's ski's behind boats? - That's a line from Wall Street. - Okay, so how much is it? No, how many boats can you ski behind? - My sense is that Flea and Dave never had expectations of anything greater, but they also may not have had expectations of 33 million units. - I know, seriously. - So that might be a tricky thing for them to have managed in the moment, but I think they'll be all right. - I'd like to imagine Flea driving down the road and hearing that for the first time. I'd be like, oh yes, me. - Yeah. I did that. So you ought to know is the beginning of this whirlwind, a successful ladder. She wins five Grammys, and she goes on an insane 18-month tour across the world. I can't imagine the pressure she was under. The creative pressure, you know. Now you've put aside the commercial pressure. Like creatively, how do you capture something so lightning in a bottle twice, you know? And I just, I feel like it's unavailable. The position she was in, given the success of that album. I mean, like we've talked about, you ought to know, all those songs were hits. Like that album produced like five or six huge songs, you know what I mean? So like to come back with another album, I can't imagine. - That's another-- - I'm so glad you brought that up 'cause she's already navigated so much in her first 19 years of youth, right? Because the songwriting, when she wrote the songs on Jagged Little Pill, when she's 19, turning 20. - Yeah. - And they are so filled with such a human journey. So many, we know without her telling us that a lot has happened to her and she is navigating her way through it. And then this other kind of version of a thing to navigate, which is success and fame and pressure from record labels. And internal is another thing to navigate. I look at Alanis Morissette and I think what an incredible person, what an incredible human. And she has navigated so much, but sort of showed her work along the way, which is such a gift to the rest of the world for us to be able to share in how challenging it is because that allows for us to be more vulnerable because she has been telling us this whole time that she is trying and it's difficult. She has had challenges, but rather than hide them or be ashamed of them, let's put them in the open and see what we can work with and see if we can't work through this messy humanity together. - I mean, I think you're absolutely right. I think that goes towards her legacy as an artist. What do you think the legacy of you ought to know is? - I could not believe how excited I was to listen to it in the car driving over today. It joins the ranks. It might be in my top three of on the day of the show we're taping episodes and I'm driving over just how pumped I was because it's such a belted, it has so much energy and thank God for music, thank God for recording technology, thank God for memory. I was really feeling all of it. - You're going to be grateful. - I was feeling all the feelings. And the legacy of this song for me personally, beyond the like global success of it for me personally, it's a reminder of just the power of music. It's so trite, but it is the power of music. It's the power of great songwriting, the power of a great vocal delivery. And the power of just the chance coinciding of Glenn Ballard and Alannis meeting up and writing music together. - We're really happy that they did. - Okay, Luxury Cypher, one more song. This is the segment where we share a deep cut or a hidden gym with you, the one song nation and with each other. You go first. - All right, so I talk about Stoner Rock a lot of the time. One of my favorite genres is by don't play nearly enough of it in the segment. - Brand new Stoner Rock, this is a band called Earth Tongue and the song is Dungeon Vision. (laughs) (upbeat music) ♪ Wake up trapped inside ♪ - That is so mean. These guys are from New Zealand and there is a two piece band. They call themselves a heavy psych rock two piece, but I mean, that's Stoner Rock, that's the good stuff. - Stoner Rock is one of those genre names where I'm like, I don't. know that I see the sonic through line. Yeah. Every time. But I tend to let you know, I've talked before I like and you'll notice by the trailer then. Yeah. I love Fubanchi when I played it in the car that time. I love Fubanchi. I think a stoner rock maybe is a little slower tempo. Like the halftime part was the stoner rock part. And then it became psych rock when it was like double time. So it's a couple of genres in one song. Absolutely. As they always are. What about you, Diola? What is your one song today? You know, for my one more song, I'm actually going to go with usually I try to highlight artists who have not already made it, so to speak. But there is a song that I really, really love right now. MJ Cole just came out with a new version of his classic sincere. If you don't know MJ Cole's sincere, then what are you doing? Go out, listen to it. He just re-released it with a new verse with Pink Pantherous. And the song is called Still Sincere. And it's just it's a banger. It's a 133 BPM hit us with it. Oh, that song does something to me. It's like when it goes when it goes minor there, like just like off. We love him, Pantherous, man. The original. He's got such a sound. She's got such a sound. I like her. I love him, Jay Cole. He's one of the reasons I got into UK garage back in the day. So yeah, check out. If you don't know, sincere by MJ Cole, do it. 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