Alanis Morissette (Live)

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We reached out to our good-hang fans and asked, "Where should we go?" And you said Chicago and we could not be happier. This is the best city in the world. (audience cheering and applauding) And Chicago is where I started my comedy career. Well, I didn't get paid for it. But I did do it here. And I worked at a bunch of restaurants in Chicago. I started working at a place called Carlucci's. Does anyone remember Carlucci's? Yeah. Lot of cocaine at Carlucci's. (audience laughing) Not in the food, not in the food. On Chicago, we love you. And by the way, congratulations on a beautiful day. As we know, this time of year, it can go either way. The winter is coming, as they say, in Game of Thrones. And we love this time of year where you guys are running in shorts and you're just trying to get that sun for as long as you can. Until you get stuck in the dark closet of Chicago winter. Never to see the sun again. But congrats on global warming for you guys, 'cause that is better. But did anybody here write in to get us to Chicago? Like, did anybody-- Thank you. Thank you for doing that. We got a lot of responses, I should know the number. And Chicago won. And it does not surprise me because this city is incredible and it supports its artists. And I'll say that this city is a city that you can learn in. You can perform in. You can feel supported in. And everyone I love comes from Chicago. So thank you, Chicago, for what you have given me. And thank you for being here. We really appreciate it. We'd also like to thank PayPal. PayPal. Thank you, PayPal. Thank you, PayPal, presented by PayPal. Thank you very much. And thank you to Spotify and everybody who helped get the show up and running. So I never know how to reveal who our guest is. And sometimes, in this case, I think it was revealed online a little bit. But is there anybody here who doesn't know who our guest is? Exciting. Very exciting. Well, we always invite somebody on the podcast to talk well behind our guests back to give stories or a point of view. And we ask friends. Sometimes we ask family members. Sometimes we ask fans. And so we thought because today is a day where we're celebrating the good-hanging fans, we could also celebrate fans in general. And so our first guest today is a fan of our guests. And they're going to talk well behind their back because they love her. And then we're going to bring out our guests. But you know, I don't like to tease. I don't think it's nice. So you should know that joining me later on stage this afternoon is a Lannis Morris set. (Applause) I cannot wait to talk to Lannis and cannot wait to get into it. But before we do that, we're going to check in with someone a Chicago native. I've never met this person. I'm very excited. She's joining us. She was recently in marketing. But it's now a stay-at-home mom. And she's born and raised in Chicago. She counts herself. is a huge Alanis Morissette fan, and I hope a somewhat middling good hang fan. (audience laughs) Let's bring up Kelly Croyer from Chicago. Kelly, are you here? (hip hop music) This episode is brought to you by Subaru. There's something about being on the road that has a way of leading to those unexpectedly memorable little moments. And in the all new 2026 Subaru hybrid, it's like the destination isn't even important. It's the drive, baby. And let me tell you, I'm in that car, and I feel like a million bucks, quiet ride, comfortable. Love my Subaru, can't get enough. With up to 581 miles in the Subaru Forester Hybrid, and even more, 597 in the Crosstrek Hybrid, you can go further between stops and stay in the moment longer. Visit Subaru.com/hybrid to learn more. The Subaru Forester Hybrid and Crosstrek Hybrid, love goes the extra mile. (hip hop music) - Hi, nice to meet you. Have a seat. Kelly's here, everybody Kelly's here. (audience cheers) Hi, Kelly for Chicago. - Hello. - Are you nervous? - Just a tiny bit. - Okay, no, no reason to be nervous. Everyone, this is Kelly. - Hi everybody. (audience cheers) Kelly, you are an Atlanta's Morissette fan. - I am, I am. - Well, let's get into how much you love her, but before we do that, let's talk about you. - Okay. - Where in Chicago are you from? - I was born and raised in Chicago, we're actually on the north side, so if you flew into a hair airport, I am right in that neck of the woods. - What can we do about the ride from O'Hare into? (audience laughs) - Bear question, half of the reasons why I left corporate America, 'cause of that ride into the city? - It is brutal. - It is, it is. - But can we, I guess we could live near O'Hare, that we could. - You could, you could, yeah. Yeah, I take the train a lot, so I depend on the CT a lot. - And how long does it take you? Let's get into traffic. - Yeah, it's about 45 minutes, door to door. - Well, that's not that much shorter than the drive. - You get to, you know, work on some stuff. - That's true. It's kind of a train on driving and all that stuff. - But we hear it, good hang, love, global warming. (audience laughs) - Yeah, so that's not gonna work. (audience laughs) - So you're a Chicago girl? - Yes. - Excuse me, woman. - What? - And what do your parents do? Like what were you like, 'cause we're, you're a little younger than me, you're in your 40s? - A 42. - Okay, so what was it like growing up in Chicago in the 80s? - I was wonderful. Both of my parents were actually Chicago police officers. - Both, people? - Yes, both of them were, yes, yes, so. - That's cool. - I couldn't sneak out anywhere. (audience laughs) - You know, you don't hear a family where both were police officers. - Yeah, it was incredible. They had some great stories. - Oh yeah. - I was sheltered a little bit because of those stories, but he was fantastic. - But he was a little out of date. - I was, my dad wasn't really thrilled with it, but I was much later. - Did you, were you ever at a party that was broken up by one of your parents? (audience laughs) - Oh my gosh, no, but that would have been a great story if I was. (audience laughs) - No, I was very like, "G-rated kid, "I really didn't go to a lot of parties." - Yeah, I know, it's okay. You don't want to peak too early. - Yeah, there, yeah. - You don't want to peak too early. And did you ever think about going in a law enforcement? - Everyone asked me that, no, absolutely not. (audience laughs) I steered clear of that. My parents weren't too thrilled, but they're like, you find your dreams. - They wanted you to go in. - They wanted me, yeah, they thought I was, I mean, my mom actually had two careers. She was a flight attendant before that, left that, and became a cop, and it was, yeah, and she loved it, and they wanted me to do it and follow suit. So I did not. - Is there any flight attendants in the audience? - They're flying. (audience laughs) And I get it. But what I ask is that being a flight attendant and being a police officer, - Totally different things. - I was gonna say close to them ever. (audience laughs) - This is true, Ralph. This is very true. - This is very true forever. - This is true, this is very, very true. - Did you get your party on in college? - I did. I went to a community college beforehand where I got all that out of my system before I transferred over. - Yeah, 'cause would you guys agree that if you don't get it out in high school, then it comes out in college? - I think so. - I think so. - And did your parents break up any college parties? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I would have loved her, those stories. - And so what did you do when you left school? - I actually walked up and down a street called River Road by Ohio Airport to get a job at a front desk 'cause my parents weren't gonna allow me to sort of just not have one. And I started my now 22 year career in hotel hospitality, so I kinda just accidentally stuck with it. - Oh, wow, 22 years in hotels. I am sure you've been asked this question. But never in front of an audience. - This is first. - What was one of the more specific or strange requests you had in hospitality from a person in a hotel? - Ah, there's so many, I don't even know where to start. I see five. - Okay, five. - We had a guest one time that just hated our beds, but wouldn't stay anywhere else. And then they insisted on putting a board under the bed to make it harder. - Okay. - Even though the purpose of sleeping is to be comfy and not uncomfortable, so we found we had to get engineering up there, remove the whole mattress, put the board under the mattress for this man. - Did he pay extra? - I can't remember what he should have. - I bet he did. I hope he had a board fee. - Yeah, there should be. There's a minute of fees for everything now, so. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. He couldn't stay anywhere else, but he didn't like the bed. - Yeah. - Yep. - And it was a man. Interesting. Just interesting to me. So Kelly, how would you describe your musical taste? - You know, I didn't really discover music until I discovered Alanis early on, and she's kind of, her style of music made me sort of expand a little bit more. I heard this angry woman on the radio one day in like 1998, and I was like, I want to know more about her and hear more about her. And she really is my style is just, you know, get all those words out. Tell us how you feel. - Yes, I want to talk to, thank you for bringing that up, because I want to talk about even the word angry, because it's an interesting word, right? Like, there's, yes, like, there was this feeling when we first heard her that we were being spoken for, and we were being spoken for by somebody who really knew how to use her words. - Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, and it was thrilling. It was thrilling. - Yes, yes. - Do you remember, how old were you then? - I remember it was like freshman year of high school. I was like 98s, and I didn't know anything about anything, and I heard her music, and it sort of just guided me through the last next four years, really. - Really? - Yeah. - Her record did that? - Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm invited. It was really my favorite song of the time, and it was just-- - Yes. - It helped me through a lot of stuff, so yeah. - Yeah, what did it, you know, I feel like music can do that. It can articulate something that you can't figure out at the, you know, without certainly feeling like you have to get too personal. What was it connecting to you feelings-wise in that stage of your life? - I'm an only child, so I felt kind of very alone a lot, as most only children I think do, and I think it was sort of just like, I felt like somebody was holding my hand for the first time when I heard her music, and like, you got this, kind of giving a pep talk through the music, so. - Yes, so true. - Yeah. Well said, well said, Kelly. Do you play any music or do you-- - I don't play any. - Do you sing? - I do not. - Do you sing secretly? - I do very well in my shower, very, very well in my shower. - Do you sing along with Alanis' music? - I definitely do. - Really? - Yeah, how can you not? - I agree. It feels like this very, like, an incantation that we're all supposed to join in on. And I, you know, another thing that I do want to talk to about is the idea of, like, finding your voice and the power of a voice. Did you ever see her perform? - I did about 15 years ago when she came to town in Revinia, and I got tickets last minute, and I scrunched my way all the way up to the front, and I just didn't leave. And I loved it, every moment. - Oh, you were at the front. - Yeah, I did. - Were you afraid you were gonna get squished? - Uh, no, well, the front had some seating, and I was on lawn, but I found my way right up to that corner where I could just find my pocket, and even if I did get swish, I would have cared. - And do you remember who, was there an opener? Do you remember that day? - I can't remember most of yesterday. - Was it a fest, I know. I can't either. I really can't. Was it a festival? - There was an opener, or, I think she was the main act for sure, and there might have been a really nice opener. I just don't remember who it was. - And Revinia is like an outdoor-- - Yeah, it's an outdoor venue. Up north, it's beautiful. I'm sure a lot of people here know about it. You could bring your picnic up with you, and just sit on the lawn, and enjoy whatever shows happening there. It's amazing. Where is that from, O'Hare? [LAUGHTER] - Little too far. - During traffic time, how long will it take? - A long time. - A long time. And the last thing I wanted to ask you about Alannas as we talk well behind her back is, what do you think is the thing that we still, like, she's continuing to make vital, interesting, curious stuff. Many years after jagged a little pill, She's, she has one. 1,000 awards she has done Broadway, she has spoken in the-- she does incredible speeches about the idea of wholeness. She is the mother of three. She feels like a person in the world, as well as this big famous talented singer. What do you think it is about her that draws us to her as an artist? That's a great question. I mean, truly, I lean a lot on the fact that she's a mom, and she gets it, and she can share that time it seems like with her family and all these wonderful things she's doing with her music and her, like, any philanthropy that she does, she's finding the way to do it and showing us that it's possible, but also making her family probably the priority, so. OK. So we always ask our guests who come in to speak about our guest to give me a question to ask them. Do you have a question that you think I should ask Alanis? Today, sure do. So my question is, is there a song that you wrote early in your career that you understand differently now? Not because the lyrics changed, but because you did. And what does that song mean to you now? Wow. [CHEERING] Kelly Croyer, everybody. [CHEERING] Give it up for Kelly Croyer! [MUSIC PLAYING] Wow, Kelly, you're hired. OK, so let's get started with our podcast guest today. She has stolen our hearts since the minute we met her, and she always tells the truth a true bad-ass, grown-ass woman give it up for Alanis Mora said everybody. [CHEERING] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alanis? Hi! Hi. Should we just stare at each other? Welcome to Chicago. Thank you for coming here. Thank you for having me. Oh, my God. All right. They said I was objective, and I said, absolutely thrilled. You know, I've gotten to know you from your work, and I've gotten to hear you speak about your work. And I just want to say, so thrilled to have you here, because I know that you are a person that shows up and likes to get into the deep end, which is nosmalltalk.com. What are your favorite movies? Bridesmaids. But you're-- I listen to you speak about so many things, and you have this ability, I think, to synthesize really complex information in a way that makes-- welcomes us in, and I really appreciate that. Oh, thanks for saying it. Do it in your work, you do it in your life. And so what is the best thing about being the age you are now? Everything. Yeah. I highly recommend getting older. Yeah. Well, menopause is just magic. Yeah. It's just every stone, everything. Identity, service, value systems, relationships, who is God, how to talk to these parts, these billions of parts in here, be responsible for what this is and not make it everyone else's problem. Yeah. Two minutes in. Who is God? Alanis Morrison. I love it. I love it so much. Hi, Amy. I'm so with you. I mean, I love it because you're absolutely right, because the dismantling is the last part, like letting go of all the armor, all the stuff that we've all added on, the shedding of that, I think, is an interesting part. Yeah, I mean, if we're in the context of patriarchy, which we were and still are, everything's through the male gaze. The hormones we have in this body is the pro-creative imperative. But a baby and me, I'm going to tolerate everything. Then you get closer to menopause and progesterone. All the hormones are at zero. So you're all this sort of scaffolding of cotton balls and cozy tolerance. They go away. Yes. And what they used to do is a book called Shockty Women. They used to go up to women in the day for the town hall meetings. They would seek out the women who were PMS-ing. Because they would be the ones to lead the town hall meetings and tell the city what they needed to do. They were like, I'm going to tell you the truth. Who are we getting on the-- oh, those three women. Wow. What's your relationship to Chicago? I'm sure you've toured here many times. Spend time here. Do you have an impression of Chicago? It's been called the Sister City of my hometown in Ottawa, Canada. Very funny people. Very funny. Some of the funniest people I know are from Chicago. Diversity you said earlier, I live. I want to talk to you about your relationship to comedy, because you are a secret goofball. You're a goofball. Yes. You love comedy. Yes, I will do anything for a laugh. Yeah. And you come from Canada. So Canadians are really proud of their comedy. Are they? You don't think so? Yeah. You grew up-- I mean, we have this in common is we both did sketch comedy when we were young. You did sketch comedy. You were in a Canadian show. And you can't do that on television. For people who don't-- remember that show didn't see it? How would you explain what it was? What was that show like? It was a show written for adults, but it was for kids. There was a lot of innuendo and just a group of people that I entered into this fray. And they'd already had years of knowing each other. So I was the new girl in school. How did I get the job? I auditioned. It was a call. There were hundreds of kids. And I did the audition. Do you remember what you did for the audition? Red a scene or two, I think, with Alistair Gillis and Adam. And they said immediately halfway through my audition, they said, you're too tall. You can get out of here. So you're too tall. You're too tall. So I got out of there. And then they came running out of the building and chased me and said, we don't care that you're too tall. Get back in here. You-- auditions are awesome. Yeah. Honestly, I don't think I've ever gotten a job from an audition. And it's interesting you say you're too tall because I remember someone saying, oh, I wish you were taller. To you? To my face as I audition. Oh, so we both have a similar trauma. Yes. A high trauma. It is wild back then people would say, right in front of you, oh, if only you were different. That was my experience on dates, but only all of them. What were you watching as a kid? What was the kind of comedy that was on in your house? Three-s company. Oh, my God. Let's talk about these companies. Every episode I've seen 19 times. And when I first moved to LA-- John Ritter. --sitting right next to me at an exercise place. I was on the bike and he got on. And the blood went all the way down to my feet. And I didn't say hi. And then years later, I was at Starbucks at a movie theater and he walked right up to me and he goes, oh, Lannis. And I was like, oh, my God. And then he said, coffee? And I said, yeah, let's go for coffee. So we just had coffee and just loved on each other verbally. The whole time. And I heart, heart, heart, heart, heart broken. Yeah. What a loss. He wouldn't-- what a talent, John Ritter. What a person. What a person. I've heard just-- I've never had the pleasure to meet him. And what an amazing talent. And what a weird show. What a close show. Way before it's time. Totally. It was. It was strange. Every-- it was a farce. And everyone was just going for it. Yes, they couldn't stop. But when you were doing comedy, doing, like, on TV as a little kid, and then you start writing songs. And had you always been writing, you wrote your first song you think when you were eight or nine or something? Yeah. What was-- where was music introduced in your house? Where did you first kind of learn to write or make music? When I was younger, it was very multitudinous. So it was comedy and then drawing. I can't draw to save my life. But I still drew music, dancing. It was everything. And then music-- I was always writing songs. And I sent a tape, a cassette tape, to a friend of our family. Our-- our family, his name's Lindsey Morgan. He's passed away since. But he heard it. And when I went to visit him next, our family went to visit him. He had a track ready. And my brother said, told me I couldn't sing my way out of a paper bag, which they're want to do. Yeah. It's a brother's job. It's kind of their job to do. And so I said, who's going to sing it? And he said, you are. And then I did. And that was the beginning of much love. Wow. You started writing songs, and in fact started your own label at 11. Yeah. What are your kids doing? [ Laughter ] That hence the therapy. Well, you spoke about it a little bit, but I love the reason why you did. Why did you? Yeah. Back at that time, nobody was signing children. Now, my joke is that they crawl up the vagina into the uterus to get the signature real quick. [ Laughter ] Now they don't care. Then they did, so I thought, well, I still want to share this music, so we started a record label when I was 10 or 11. Do you feel like even then you had a sense of -- I mean, I don't want to ascribe this to you if it's not true, but it feels like you had a sense of how to navigate things that were much more mature than you were at the time. It's like a -- it's like being a cockroach. Okay. Same more. [ Laughter ] It's like just staying the course. I remember my manager of many years at the time said, "Alana, it's the only way you're going to get through this -- is if you stay on the train track, but just look down one step at a time." And that helped. That's good advice. I mean, the temperament I have is like a scared, tiny, shaky poodle, but my outward facing situation is often a black stallion, so they're at odds a lot. Ooh. Whoa. That's so cool. So cute. I'm so curious. So you're inside that body. Yeah. Yeah. It's very cool. I know what you mean, though. I often -- I can relate to this idea that you're like, "If you only knew the kind of circus music playing inside my head." Exactly. I think you have the over-excitable cognition, baby. What's it called? Well, they say it's over-excitable cognition, but I just say it's excitable cognition. The brand -- people often misdiagnose themselves, they'll say, "I have ADHD and they may well." Yeah. But often it's just a lot of activity, and that's how you were born. Yes. And then the idea that how you present is different than how your feeling is like the lifelong lesson that someone may seem one way, but they're feeling a different way. I know I'm saying it's so -- You're down to complex. Yeah. I know. But it's this lesson we learn over and over again, over and over with ourselves and each other, which is the way they seemed is not the way they felt. Right. They felt both, plus 17 other things. That's right. But the one that was picked up on was maybe the lowest hanging fruit in terms of accepting that part of a human. Yeah. You put out two records before a jagged little pill, and they are really well received, and you have this moment where you decide to make this record with Glen Ballard and you're 21. 19. Wow. You're 19. You're making this monster hit, and I just want to pause for a second to say not to bring my own story in here, but I'd like to, because we're in Chicago. At the same time, I just want to say I'm here in Chicago, I'm in my early 20s. I'm meeting these people and performing and doing comedy and sketch comedy with people who will go on to influence the next 20 years of my life. And you're making this record that will be, it will completely change the trajectory of your life. And I imagine, much like I was, you're just making stuff and feeling creative and not really even understanding what success could mean or look like, or- Or you're even how to define it. How to define it. How does a woman define success today? Amy? A 2PM show. A 2PM show. A 2PM show. A 2PM show. A 2PM show. Yes. For me. A 2PM show. And getting to talk to a Lannis Morsett. But, but my, I guess my question was like, when you look back at jagged little pill, which now, you know, so many years later, how do you look at it now? It's almost like a, it's like a child. It's like a friend. Yeah. Yeah. I see songs as snapshots of moments. Uh, and there was something about, I'll usually write about 25 songs for a record and then pick 12-ish. But they feel like chapters captured very semi-casually. The process is not casual. It may look effortless, but it's, yeah, effort very full. Um, but yeah, they're chapters of time. So that chapter of time, I felt like the feminist movement, the humanist movement was happening. I'm the one that, when someone says, who wants to volunteer for it? And I don't even know what they're going to ask in my hands already up. I just want to do it. Um, so I think the wave of feminism was happening without any of us really. And I just volunteered to get on the top of the wave. And then I was there. And I was being credited for things that may or may not have been appropriate to credit me for. But what I was happy to do was be at the epicenter of it and I was happy to be on the front and get my head shopped off. So badass. 1995, you know, that was when it went, when the record came out, '95. So you work on it, you turn 21, you're in your right. You really were suddenly like put, like you were in the front lines, there was a lot projected on you. Um, are you, do you know that? Or are you just thinking about that today? It's actually a really good question. Can you see it then? Great question. And I'm the interviewer here, so I think I could. I think what I felt at the time is I felt very seen by your music, very drawn to it. And I also realized that people were deciding how you were feeling about what you were singing about without your permission or consent. Yeah. That's fame. Fame is a giant screen upon which people project all their beautiful stuff to define themselves in accordance to you. And sometimes it's an accurate perception. Often it's an inaccurate perception. Sometimes it's a misguided one or an incomplete one. But that became an exercise almost to the point where I'd, I'd hear and I'd avoid it at all costs and I still don't really read any perceptions of me. But if I would read something, the first question I would ask is, if it triggered me, it meant it was some shadow that I needed to look at. If it didn't trigger me, it meant it was a projection of a kind or it felt accurate. Like, oh, I felt seen there for 10 seconds, that's cool. So it became like a psychological exercise, the press itself. Yes. But that, you're a young person, handling that and handling the also, like, not wanting to forget to have fun, that things are successful. Well, that, that, the touring, nomadic community thing helps. So a lot of people would see footage of me and say, all we saw was you laughing. I was like, oh my gosh, being on tour with my bandmates is the most fun thing in the world. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when, when I read or maybe I heard you speak about this, which I loved, another again, example of the lone wolf, the sheep, I forget what it was, the lone wolf, the poodle, the poodle. Yes. Holding steady at an age where it was hard, I think it's hard to do, where you wanted you ought to know to be the first single. And a lot of people didn't. Yeah, they thought it was a little harsh to receive anger from a woman. And I thought, well, that's actually the note to start on. Yeah. And then we go from there. Why is it? Why did you think it was the note to start on? I love anger so much. Okay, great. I want to talk on, okay, I want to talk about it. Okay. I learned about emotions from inside out. Up until that point, I didn't know, no, I'm just kidding. You were like, what am I feeling, mommy? Yes. Yeah. But anger is so delicious. Delicious. Is it your of all those, you know, is it the easiest for you to access? It's always right there. And I think what happened was anger gets such a bad rep because when we hear anger, we think destructive actings out. We think guns, knives, murder, death, you know, destruction. That's the actings out of anger. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about anger itself, the beautiful current that courses through you when it's appropriate. Even a boundary transgress don't you can't touch my stuff, you can't tell me what I'm feeling, you can't tell me what I'm thinking and you cannot touch my body without permission. And when those four, any of those four are transgressed, a little bit of rage. And that anger is an indication that there's been a transgression if all my social activist community are all raging. But of course we are. We know things. And when we know things as a collective, that anger is a propulsion to make effect, show up, change, support, shift focus away from this patriarchal house of card nightmare and turn it toward what we know is possible. Mm-hmm. So well said. So well said. (audience applauds) So well said. I mean, I felt like I'm here to remind you of the mess you left when you went away. (audience laughs) We'll go down in history as, you know, a beautiful witch's lament. (audience laughs) It's just divine feminine power at its finest, which is I'm not gonna let you forget because I'm here to remind you. Like beautifully said sung and we all sing that still. And we all like to scream it. (audience laughs) And it is a feeling of relief, it's release, it's release. It moves the current. I feel like we're imploders or exploders. I was an imploder 'cause fight, flight, freeze, collapse, befriend or appease. I have the appeasement survival strategy. When I found out about fawn, I was like, "Oh hey girl." (audience laughs) I was like, "I've got this one more now." There's one more app. Yes, oh, by the way, I'm particularly upset about the fact that fawn is the one that gets the bad rep. People are like, ooh, clingy, needy. I'm like, it's of the five survival strategies. It's the only one that's relational. It's the only one that reaches for connection. Okay, but because you're so smart and good at emotions and thinking, (audience laughs) do you feel, do you feel like you're able to? And I'm gonna ask this to you and I want us all to think about it here in the audience too. With like, with our like, with wisdom, with getting a little bit better, for those listening Atlantis is coming over to fill my cup. (audience laughs) In more ways than one. (audience laughs) Thank you. It's so panadian of you. You gotta water your women. Oh my God, this is straight vodka. (audience laughs) Here we go. I was on that down low. But you, but you, but because you're so articulate in this world, you work hard to try to figure that out. You pay attention. Do you feel sometimes like, there is, how, how should I put it? A grace, you have to give yourself and others. When you're sensing exactly what you just said, we all have these styles of talking and coping. Holding it together. Yeah. And we all come in with our ways in which I know for me, like obviously comedy is a way to like, just bypass. Oh, it's the best. It's the fricking best. I mean, if you have a feeling, make a difference. Oh, and then the feeling goes away. Yeah, sometimes you can sing the feeling and then you don't have it. Yeah. Can we do a song together in the next record? So what do you do? It's hard. It's like, I see dead people. Like you, you can see it well. And that's hard. But I'm not always monitoring psychologically. That would be fantastic. I guess it's what I'm asking. I'm actually, my first place is, can I laugh at this person? That's number one. Yeah. And if I throw the ball and it hits the drapes, I'm really sad. 'Cause there's no raparty or band-in. Yes. Because I actually think of all the billions of the intelligences that there are. And I love speaking about them. Comedy. I know people say music sometimes, but I think comedy is number one. I kind of do too. I do too. I'm sorry. I do too. Sorry. No, sorry. OK, I didn't want to be braggie. But can he be braggie, by the way? I think there's some, it's so, I know, it feels like my biggest wave of connection. It's love, yeah. And it is such a lovely language. If someone loves to joke, God, I love it so much. Such a pure joy. It really is. It feels, I mean, and I assume it feels that way when you're on stage. And when you're performing and singing where you're looking over at someone and you're playing and you're like, look at us. It must feel that way. It's rapture. That's the word I keep using. It makes me think about one of your old bandmates who I just would love to hear you talk about, which is Taylor Hawkins. Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about him and where you guys met? I auditioned a-- I think I was 20. And I auditioned tons of people. And he came in and he was just instant soulbrother. And then how he played was so reverent and respectful, but also wildly bombastic and uniquely him. And so he just became a mutually supportive championing force, up until just before he died. All I received from Taylor was regalings of kindness and mirroring and validation and just upliftment and menchie-menchie-mench. So great. Yeah. I mean, you were also like on tour. There were a lot of people that you met in different stages of their careers. You were with Radiohead. Did you tour with Radiohead? Well, I wrote all their songs. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. They played before me in whatever year that was. And I was obsessed. But you know, you've described yourself at a little bit here, too, as much more introverted than people would assume. And I know that's a flat term. And then you have this extra-- I mean, you really have to be up on state. You have to rock and just move and sing. And when you do that, what do you do to get there, I guess, is a question when you're like, oh, God, I got to go out there. I always tell my kids it's a combo between profound humility. So I'm always just praying and thanking and combined with confidence and full ham. Yeah. So they both show up. Yeah. And it is a deep bow. And then it's a submitting. Yeah. I feel like I just submit to it. And it takes me. It's such a good way to put it because nobody really knows what's embarrassing until we tell them. Tell me more about that. Well, I'm really into embarrassment as an idea-- Like on purpose? Yeah. Like slapstick stuff or what do we talk about? Well, I think that comedy and music, you just have to commit. You have to strong and wrong. What's that mean? Just strong, strong and wrong. Strong and wrong. Yeah, like just if you're going to embarrass yourself, go big. Yes, you can't go halfway. No. And I'm sure everyone here feels that feeling of when you see someone up on stage, it doesn't even have to be on. It doesn't have to be in a giant stadium. It can just be at your workplace when they're giving a presentation and your mirror neurons, when they are nervous. It's the worst. It is the worst feeling in the world. I'm always nervous. Really? No, people ask me like, how do I do it with my nerves? I want to do what you do and I'm like, oh, you don't. They are with you for life. I can't change my temperament. I would love to just pull this out, let it take a bath. Can you talk about wholeness? Yeah. And it's not wellness. No, wellness-- I think the wellness movement was well-intended. But that leaves out all the other parts, the so-called shadow darker, challenging parts. And I love humanity so much. I mean, I hate humanity too, don't worry. But I love humans. I do too. Well, any ground number are you getting your own? Oh my god, thank you. Guys, I want you to know that I didn't bring it up. OK, I didn't ask. Are you an eight? I'm an eight. What's your wing? My wing-- I ate wing nine. Oh. The bear. So I tend to-- So you lead? I lead, but I like to collaborate. I'm not a monster. Oh, you're a nine. You're a nine. No, you're-- no, you're not a monster. My daughter's an eight. I love eights. Lead the world. Yeah, baby. I don't mean to be rude, but there's no one here. I would rather be the eight. No way. More than to be an eight. Love eight. OK, what are you? I'm a four with a five wing shocker. And I'm all thought I was a three wing, because three is more associated with public, but no achievement, but you're five. Yeah, that means five. I'm a five. I feel like to watch and think and observe and sit in it. Yeah. And wholeness is-- Oh, yeah, so back to wholeness. How do we work on our wholeness while still not trying too hard to improve? Well, the thing about wholeness is-- [LAUGHTER] You're asking for a buddy? I'm asking for all women. Because I feel like there is a tendency for our next expectation or a self put upon pressure. Yeah, that we have to keep getting better at things, where I would like us to stop. That's to be tricky. Yeah, I'd like us to stop. OK. We're good. We're good. We should wait for everybody to catch up and we should stop improving. [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] Yeah. And then I would like to catch up. So I think the movement toward better wholeness is this way, wholeness is coming home. Totally different direction. There's nothing to add. You don't need to be fixed. It's just remembering who you are and being in environments where people will reflect you accurately enough, just enough that you're there. And for those of us who are raised by narcissism and don't actually have a sense of self, it is not for the weak of heart this journey of becoming a whole person. It's not. It's a whole life life journey. It really is. And it's juicy. and it's so vulnerable, but it's awesome. And it's awesome as we gather. It's the gathering that makes it great for me. Can I ask you about meditation? Sure. Just by show of hands. And how many people here meditate? OK, Chicago, we got to work on that. Meditation is overrated. Oh my god, hot take, hold on. It actually worked. Well, for those of us who are in the midst of trauma or a traumatic experience that we're perhaps on the verge of beginning to heal, meditating is actually quite dangerous because you're left alone with all these protective voices who are attempting to protect you, God bless. But that could be really mean. So for some people, it's actually Peter Libyan calls it something like mediation induced anxiety. So what can happen, not for everybody, sometimes meditation is bliss for some. But for some people, meditating puts you straight in the middle of the pain, with no necessarily a developed resource, a person you can hold, or something you can imagine. So then I wouldn't actually recommend meditating at all. Yeah, yeah. But for others of us, it's a fun invitation and it's so much going on in here. I love what you've talked about. Like your inner critic, we all have it. And the idea that it shows how it shows up and when it shows up. And I related because you just said are protective voices. And I find sometimes like, I call them my bodyguards. But my bodyguards show up, they mean well. They mean well, but they really keep me from connection. I know. But they're so great. They're big burglars. And they are like, don't do that. Don't be lame. Don't be a loser. Don't say hi. Don't say hi. Yes. Don't say you're afraid. Get out of here. They get me in the car fast. And I'm like, thank you so much. You guys are all guys, sorry. But they are all guys. They are all guys. And then I get in the car. And I'm like, I'm-- I should've seen that. Look at how many friends I'm scared of. Do you do that where you think about parts of your brain as people? They're all-- there's thousands in here. Yes. And yeah, I just have to be responsible to them and listen. And as often as I can heed, there's some action they often ask for me to take. Often it's just slow down, Morissette. Slow down. Or I'll say, what do you need for me? What action can I take on your behalf? What wisdom do you have for me? What am I not seeing here? And often, they'll tell me. And then that's that. And then there's often about 12 parts trying to get my attention. So I interact with them like I would with my kids, which is I want to hear all of you just one at a time. The rest of you sit next to me. Yeah. And then I'm just going to talk with this one and maybe these two. It doesn't take long. I can do it at a stoplight in 13 seconds. Yeah. I sometimes picture my parts. And again, this is very inside out. But I picture the parts in my head around a table. Yeah. And this kind of table-- This kind of table? What part of my playing today? Wow. [LAUGHTER] Because they can be externalized. I feel very-- like, you're a lot of fun. That's not the first word people say when they talk about it. Really? I mean, my friends. I'm having a lot of fun. I am too. Yeah, OK, yeah, yeah. So that's why I'm here to have fun. You're playing the fun part. And I like when I look at the table. And I'm like, oh, somebody has been seated at the head of the table for a long time. And they maybe need a little rest. They don't want to drive. Yeah. And that person often is my like Tony soprano ego. Yeah, I've seen them see. Yeah, you know, that was out loud, right? No, I love her, though. I love that part. I need her. Oh my god. I mean, that part is incredible. I know. I know. I forget about it. And then in a kind of completely different version of things, you're releasing a holiday album. Yes. Well, first of all, why did you want to make a Christmas album? Every year, for a few years, we would just do one song. Just to kind of get inside the whole experience. I never cared about Christmas. And then my son was born Christmas morning and now I really care. Oh, Jesus is birthed. Yeah. Does he-- is he OK, sharing a birthday with Jesus? He is. He's very-- He's a person to share a birthday with. Yes, it's his birthday and Christmas. Yeah. Why didn't I talk it about-- Doesn't matter. Oh, no, because we're talking about-- So you would do a song every once in a while. Oh, yeah, Christmas. OK, yeah. So I would do a song every year. And then this year, it just became shall we finish it? Shall we make it all? And the answer was, hey, yes. Awesome. Yes. And so you have a really great collaborator, Brandy Carlyle. I mean, let's talk about Brandy. Let's talk about her for a second. And also, you guys were just on stage. I just saw a footage of you on my phone, which is where I get all my news. Your bad news? This one was good news. Yeah. And I saw you on stage just recently. And she's been covering your music a lot. And you guys have been performing together. What's it like to work with her? She's incredible. Yeah, she's the greatest person in the world. Yeah, I mean, and you both, you both, I would say, have these voices that feel like they're, I don't know, they just feel really otherworldly. And I like to ask singers this, when did you feel like you knew you were good at singing? Like, when did you-- like, singing is so like any skill. It just-- you're always kind of changing and working on it. But there has to be a point of view that knows, I'm a good singer. Yeah, I think when I was entering into these talent competition as a young creature. And I winning, whatever winning means. But I won. And I remember thinking, oh, maybe my brothers were wrong. Isn't it funny that when you're young and someone says, hey, you're good at that. It's just like-- I was in church and singing very loudly in a woman taft my shoulder. And I turned around and she said, you have a lovely voice, sweetheart. Yeah. I think Brandy Carlisle told a very similar story that it was in church, that she got positive feedback that made her feel like I can do this. Yeah. Anything, anything exaltative and gospel, anything that is just god loving, I'm in, singing wise. Because it's rapture. It's the same. Yeah. You're also so incredible at the recent Daisy Chain fields with Olivia Rodrigo. Hello, yeah. So great. She's so incredible. It must feel really good to be around those young women who really have it together and are talented and smart. What was that experience like? Amazing. Standing across from her is just-- anytime I see Olivia, I just think everything's going to be OK. She's really doing it right. Yeah. And in your Christmas album, you have Steve Martin playing banjo. Because I had to. Because I knew he was so good. He's so good. And I remember promising myself at, you know, 22 that one day, me, Steve Martin and a banjo, yeah, are going to happen. Anyway, yeah, no, I'm so thrilled. I just can't stop smiling. Yeah. And Martin, short, also on the record. So he and I are both obsessed with Judy Garland. Who isn't? So he said, what about the Merry Christmas tune? And so now I have this thought that there's a funny music video with Judy. And so my wish is to frame by frame with Marty, I'm dying. Oh my god, recreate. Is there anyone funnier than Marty Short? He's so funny. Again, Canada. Oh, yeah. You guys, you have heavy hitters. When did you meet Steve and Marty? Did you meet them before you worked with them on this record? Like, was it back in the day? Did you? Funny. And I did a Shakespeare thing with a bunch of people, which was hilarious, and I instantly loved. And then Steve Martin, I ran into him on a grassy field somewhere. And I ran up to him and I said, hi, I'm a little bit worse. He's like, oh, hi. And then we all-- so same happened with Annie Lennox. I live for Annie Lennox. Oh, same. And I just thought, oh, this is my moment. We're at the Brit Awards. I'm going to hang out with her. She's going to bounce me on the yoga ball. I was so excited. And we walked up to each other. And I was like, Annie, she's like, oh, that is nice to meet you. You're lovely work you're doing, and walked off. Yeah. The intimacy, I thought, was possible. The club, Amy. The club, the famed club, I thought I would just be-- It's a combiying. Do you feel like maybe she just had to go to the bathroom? I know, but bring me with you. I can bring me with you. Yeah, I'll stand outside. I have done way worse. Yeah. Maybe that's what freaks you out of. And she was like, I have to go. And you're like, do you have to go to the bathroom? I'll go with you. I mean, I have to pee. Yes. [LAUGHTER] We can chat between-- Yeah. I know you mean, at SNL, the best part of the job are the heroes that come through the hallway. But-- -But then your heart is broke. -And also just, you realize, just people are regular people, and people like have to go to the bathroom and stuff. -I know. It's so not okay that they do that. -Yeah. Yeah. You get shy? -I don't know if the word "shy" is real. [ Laughter ] -Whoa. What the fuck? [ Laughter ] [ Laughter ] -Okay. Because -- -No. I get it. -I don't want to fucking know. -I get it. And I love it. -Shy is just pausing to check if the person is safe. -Interesting. Oh, we cut some claps. -We got some people in the bathroom. -Some people in the bathroom, because he's very shy. -He's not just about enough. -Well, someone who was kind of shy and then really rose to the occasion is our guest, earlier Kelly Crowyer. [ Cheers and applause ] And Kelly, thank you so much. And she asked me a question to ask you, which I think is a beautiful one. And I'm going to ask it to you now, which is, is there a song you wrote years ago that you understand completely differently now, not because the lyrics have changed, but because you did. -Oh. I think not the doctor. Because when I wrote it, it was very much like, "Hey, you know what? You take care of your stuff and we'll talk." Having been in very long committed relationships now, I know that ideally, in my mind, we are actively participating in each other's healing. So some of those lyrics, I think. -Oh, a Lannis. [ Laughter ] -Okay, I've got a little lightning round, if you're ready. -Oh, I'm scared. -It's hydrate. [ Laughter ] -Favorite song you've heard recently. Something you're humming, listening to or singing. I went back in time, "Keen Hamburg Song." -Keen Hamburg Song. I don't think I know that. It made -- Amazing. -And then -- -Nothing better than a feminine man or a masculine woman. [ Laughter ] -Indeed. [ Laughter ] -Well said. -A musician or a music or a song that your kids turned you onto. -Steve Lacey? -Yeah. -What's the most Canadian thing about you, Lannis? -The fact that I have had a really hard time learning how to monologue when no one's asking. So in Canada, I don't know if the whole country's doing this, but I wouldn't speak unless someone asks me something. -Right. -I wouldn't just -- of my own volition, just speak into a room. Now that's partly patriarchy and narcissism and -- But I moved to America. I moved to LA and I didn't speak for six months. I was waiting for someone to ask a question. [ Laughter ] And then the muscle I had to cultivate, which I'm really glad I did, because it's allowing me to speak with you right now, was just speak when no one asks. That was hard. -Yeah. But now I know how to do it. -I used to often be on conference calls and we would be getting ready to be done. And I would just say, "I'm just one more thing before we go. I just want to talk." Okay. [ Laughter ] -Those are my favorite things. -Yeah. -And what is your order at Tim Hortons? [ Laughter ] -The munchkins. -Mm-hmm. -The sugary and the chocolate. I mean, they're both so high nutrient. -Delicious. -Yeah. -You've run a marathon. -More than one? -A few. -My question is, "Running Why?" [ Laughter ] -It's hard. I mean, exactly why. I did it for charity because there was no way I was going to be able to train without doing it for charity, so some need a national eating disorder association. I did it as a way of saying, "This is an instrument. This is not just an ornament." And then, you know, marathon running. -Wow. -I won't be doing it again. -What was the thing? What is the thing that you really are proud of about that? Obviously, doing it and training. But what was in the experience of doing it? What was the most kind of surprising and satisfying part of it? -I would say mild 20 to the finish each time. And just the weeping after. I would just go in a cold water and just sob. It's part of the over-functioning thing. -It sounds so fun. -It sounds terrible. Every single person that talks to me about running, it just sounds worse and worse. -But you're still intrigued. -No, you're dumb. -Oh, my God. -No, it's quite beautiful, actually. I love running, but I won't be doing much more of it now. -Joan Jett. -You performed with her? -We were on tour together. -What was that like? -It's the greatest. I can't even believe sometimes the joy I get from being around masters. Whether it's musical or comedic or professional or directors. I just feel like I can't swing a dirty sock without hitting masters around me. -Joan is cool. -Joan is the greatest. -She was definitely one of the many artists when I was growing up. And honestly, you were one, too. The minute you see them, you're like, "Where did they come?" "Where? Who is that?" And Joan definitely has that, too. She just arrived and was like, "I'm your favorite now." -Thank you. She imposed herself into our souls. -And Alanis, you did that, too. -Oh, thanks, Amy. I just love the idea of picking women who will be around me when Armageddon hits, which is like yesterday. I just feel like Joan would be in that gaggle. -Yeah, yeah, she'd be tough. -She'd be like grabbing the wood. -Yeah, definitely. -Lighting fires. -A lot of people don't know you're a twin. -Yeah. -What's the 20th thing about you? -I think just the straight telepathy. -Do you have it? -Oh, yeah. -So can you give us an example of that? -My twin and I would be camping on some Myland in Canada and there'd be a few people around, firecracking, and we would have an entire conversation that was quiet. And then once in a while I would finish it with a verbal like, "Yeah." And everyone else would be like, "What?" And Wade, my twin would go. So we talk all the time. And I know I have a sense of what's up with him and he knows what's up with me and a lot of comedy, though. -Yeah. -So this is the number one for us. -Yeah. -Yeah, a lot of laughs. -What do you think he's doing right now? And then we can cross-check it. -He's in the bathroom. [ Laughter ] -Oh, really? Funny bit. We're like a psychic to be like, "Okay, I'm with you brother." -He's-- -Right now he's pooping. [ Laughter ] -Can you contact him? "We spent so much time in the bathroom." Of course, there must be a time when someone's pooping. -That's just a guess. -Oh, God. -Okay. -And you're hair. [ Laughter ] -Right. -Congratulations on it. -It's incredible. -It's incredible. -The fifth beetle. [ Laughter ] -It is its own-- your hair got in your way. It covered you. -Thank God. -You know, it also like-- it spoke for you. It was this--it was really such a part of when we were first seeing you. What do you--what's your relationship with your hair? Like, it's--your hair is so powerful. -Oh, lovely. I love it. It's a security blanket, for sure. Because when--when onstage, as the light-- -Yes. -It's slightly ceaseless, which is not great. So I can hide, hide, hide, hide. Lots of hiding. -Anywhere. -Hair is great for hiding. -Hair is great for me. It's the job of femme for me, because I like to dress like a 14-year-old boy. -Yeah. -Someone like you do the femme stuff, and it does. -Yes. -Did you shave your head once? -I came, like, close. -He did. -It's a right of passage. -No, you know, this is only for people who have good hair. [ Laughter ] -We're not shaving our hair tomorrow, Amy. -No, I'm just--if you have fantastic hair, you can just be like-- -You're all shaved. It'll come back. But for those of us that are hanging on by a thread, you're shaving nothing. You're shaving. I am extra herring. And do you air dry it? -I have never used a wig almost-- -What? -I mean, other people have used it on me. -Okay. But I can't. -So when you get out of the shower, and sorry, but this is what the people want to know. We're going to wrap this up. But am I wrong? [ Cheers and applause ] -When Alanis gets out of the shower, how are you combing through your hair? Do you even comb through it? -Yeah, I have to. -Okay. -Yeah, I have to. -We're using a nice brush. -Oh, we're using a super-overpriced brush. -Yeah. -Great. -I was super-overpriced. -Yeah, of course. -Well, you know whatever. -Because we-- I mean, we work hard. -Thank you. -But everybody works hard. -You use the pry-- hold on. Let's get back to your hair. -We have access, Amy. We have access. -Okay. -We get through the brush, then we put a product in it? -No. -No, incredible. -I'm very. -God, the hair privilege is unbelievable. [ Laughter ] -Yeah. -I'm sorry. -It's incredible. -We added this whole thing out. [ Laughter ] Yeah, I don't know what to say. Yeah, incredible. Yeah. And, okay. And with, as we wrap up, 'cause we landed on the most important thing. We landed on the most important thing. Well, I don't know much. I mean, I actually think, and, you know, like hair is political, and it is so interesting. Yeah. And it is, you speak of it, but it did feel at that time like it was a security blanket for you. Oh, yeah. It was like saving. Yeah. It still is. And it's so cool. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, hair is cool. But then when we're dead on the deathbed, it's not going to matter so much. Why did you have to bring that up? Because on the land, it's on the floor with a five wing. God damn it. It's so heavy. Death to spare. Death to spare. Destruction. I love you. I love you. I love you. Everything's going to be okay. I love you. Oh, my God. I love you. I love you. Okay. And we'll end this way. What's making you laugh these days? You right now. Oh, my God. Boy, what do you go to to like laugh to have fun? Where do you go for release and release? Patty Guggenheim. Same room. Same room. I mean, you know this one. Collaboration. I'm going to start crying. Like it's the greatest thing in the world. The one plus one equals 14 and you're just laughing the entire time you're writing, even when it's harrowing. It may be laughing harder when it's harrowing. It's just the sweetest relationship. It's the unsung relationships are the friendships and the collaborative, profound intimacy. Yeah. It's an unsung relationship that I live for. Yeah. That's a really nice thing about getting older and also that your friends know you really well and they still like you. Oh, my God. And they love you maybe more. Maybe love you. That's weird. I know. It's like, wait, you know me really well and you still like me. That's awesome. Well, I don't know if I know you really well, but I really like you. Oh, I like you too. And I knew I would and I'm just so grateful that you came and did this and that I'm grateful for your work. I'm grateful for the way you speak about your life and your work. And I'm just so thankful that you came to Chicago to do the show. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. You've been listening to Good Hang, the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Ringer and PaperKite. For the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalaine, Kaya McMullen, Alia Zeneres, Bridget Kearlings, Paige Garberini, Bell Roman and Drew Van Steenburgen. The PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weissberman, Original Music by Amy Miles.