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I just know if something came to my room at night, I saw lots of lights, and now I have a bump under my skin that my doctors don't know what's in there. But after spending 20 years writing the secret software that the U.S. Congress runs on, he began documenting the world of unsolved mysteries, growing his channel to 6 million subscribers with the help of his cartoon fish. Some of these folks are definitely being monitored. I doubt I am, I don't think anyone cares about the guy with the fish, but the NSA coordinates with all the mobile providers, so we've been watched every second. In this episode, we'll unveil the conspiracies he failed to debunk. Expose the ones he believes now, but can't quite yet prove. In question, if everything he's saying is true, then what are the things even he is too afraid to say? Do you think the government ever creates fake conspiracy theories to confuse people? Yes. I think a lot of what we're seeing in the disclosure is just a distraction. If UFOs are real, then pretty sure they are, it might have something to do with it. Aige in time. Welcome to the Jack Neil podcast. I was in intimidating intro, okay. Did it be a happy beer? Haha. Yeah, I appreciate you taking the time, man. Yeah. Good place to start here, Aige, on your show, The White Foggles, you spend the first two thirds of your episode telling a story like it's true, and the last third completely debunking it. I want to talk to you about the stories. You couldn't debunk. The ones you think could be true, and the ones you know are nothing but true. In 2007, the CIA was forced to declassify 700-page file of its own crops, assassination plots, spying on journalists, giving Americans hallucinogenic drugs. You covered it and said the thing you almost never say. Everything in this episode is true. What do you think is the most disturbing thing that the CIA has admitted to doing? Probably MK Ultra. MK Ultra, for those who don't know, I think everybody knows that Congress just re-upened hearings on MK Ultra. It's the CIA giving hallucinogenic drugs like LSD to people who didn't know they were being drugged. They were given to businessmen at brothels and videotapal was going on and all kinds of people. That one is disturbing because of all those CIA programs, a lot of it is about just American power, which I get it, I'm American. But MK Ultra is about treating people as disposable. I mean, it's even in the documents that they call them expendables. It's kind of gross and nobody signed up for any of that. But what's disturbing about the CIA is really the pattern, the sort of pattern of the laws don't really apply to us. We'll do it until we get caught and we'll just do a quieter, then we'll just destroy the evidence and keep doing it. I guess on MK Ultra specifically, what do you think is a specific part of that story, those documents that you don't hear a lot of people talking about that you've found particularly captivating? I don't think it's covered enough that most of the documents were destroyed, but I think it was probably started during the church hearings, it should be like 73, 74, where Sidney Gottlieb, who's, he's known as like the dark sorcerer of the CIA, he ran MK Ultra, about 150 sub projects across 80 universities and 12 corporations, it was a pretty powerful guy. He had all those documents destroyed and never answered for any of it. He retired peacefully when some rural area ended up like breeding goats and had a nice retirement and pension that we paid for and you know, he should have died in prison. And what do you suspect that they were trying to find because I don't think a lot of people touch on that part, they proposed theories, but a few different things, because like I said, there's like 150 to 180 sub projects, so you have, it was really about using chemicals to see if we can influence human behavior so that you'd have maybe a sleeper assassin that if you can trigger him to kill somebody, it maybe even against his will, so that would also go into mind control, but there's also manipulation and interrogation, like what kind of drugs make people open up and just tell the truth? What kind of drugs can we give them to make them lie? You know, if you can give an agent a drug where he doesn't even know he's lying, he's just telling like if he's being interrogated, that's, that's good stuff. So there's really all those different avenues of just trying to control human consciousness through chemicals. Right. Of every crime, the CI is admitted to in writing, which one do you think should scare Americans today? A lot of the bio warfare stuff is pretty scary. Like Operation Sea Spray, where they just put a bunch of bacteria all over San Francisco, just to see what would happen. They did the same thing in the New York subways, just to see what would happen. Actually, see, I, obviously, Ren Sea Spray ended up, Frank Olson ended up on a city sidewalk in New York. He, he fell from a, a 10 story window. That was about that big. I don't know if you know how his story, but yeah, it's working for the CI. So Frank Olson was a, like a scientist specializing bio warfare, aerosol sprays was his, his deal. And so he was part of Operation Sea Spray. So he transitioned from military to civilian CIA, he's working for city Gotley, but eventually, and part of the MK Ultra program, and he started to have kind of a crisis of consciousness. He just didn't want to do this anymore. So he checks in with, with Gotley, and his supervisors, and they say, you know, maybe you just need to break, you know, you're stressed out, you come out to the, come out to the cabin, the CIA had like this cabin out in the woods where they, it's all women and all do all kinds of crazy stuff. So they end up dosing Frank with LSD and some other stuff. And he starts to get really paranoid. It's like he's, he's calling his wife, like they're watching me, they're following me. Everybody's freaking out. And he calls his handlers at the CIA, and they said, you know, you come see the therapist. We have a psychiatrist who can help you who's also MK Ultra doctor. They go to New York. This is 1953. And they go to a room on the 10th floor of a hotel and Frank ends up on the sidewalk. And the official narrative is he jumped or fell. But we do have a telephone operator who in those days, you would like call down like, hey, can I get this number? And they would kind of patch you through, you've seen that, like in movies. Well, the operators could hear the calls when they do that. So she's like, he called somebody and said, yeah, he's gone. And the other guy said, oh, that's too bad. And then he called the police. And they show up and he's in the bathroom and he's like, oh, my God, I don't know what happened. But it looks like Frank Olson maybe had blunt force trauma before the fall. He had no glass on him. The window was tiny. Like, he would have had to run out of the hotel, like, like Superman died out of there. It's really, it's, it's almost impossible that the CIA has never acknowledged any of this. But the family, for like 20 years, his kids were like, in their 20s and 30s, they were like, we wouldn't know what really happened to dad. They didn't get a straight answer. But in 1977, President Gerald Ford gave them $750,000 in money and exchange for an NDA. And to me, that tells the story, like, why would you pay somebody for asking what happened to dad? And this guy, he just to clarify, he was he like threatening to whistle blow on some information or like what was the note, he just didn't want to, he didn't want to dose people anymore. He just didn't want to give people drugs anymore against their will. That's all it was. Now, I'm not calling him a hero because he was, he was a pretty bad dude. You know, if you create bio weapons, which are illegal, they're illegal. You can't create bio bio warfare. That's been illegal since the 20s, but he was doing it. So not everybody, there's not a lot of victims there from my perspective. I go to the CIA pretty hard. Who invented the term conspiracy theory? Well, the conspiracy theory is that the CIA invented it, which is pretty, that it's just kind of, it's a meta, very funny, because there's a 1967 memo where the CIA uses conspiracy theory. And it was a way to, when they were doing the JFK investigations, the CIA is like, anyone who questions the official narrative, call them a conspiracy theorist and just try to debunk them and make it, just marginalize them. But the phrase goes back to like the 1860s. I think it first showed up in the New York Times in like 1863, something like that, where people thought maybe the British were helping the Confederates, which I think they might have been. And someone did a letter to the editor and said, "Oh, those are just conspiracy theories." And then it showed up in the Oxford dictionary, I think, in 1909. So it's been around a while. But they might have popularized the term. The CIA definitely brought it to mainstream. Do you think conspiracy theories themselves are weaponized? I think they can be, you know, if you use the theory to marginalize somebody, that's weaponizing it. You know, whether it's COVID, if you have an alternate view of maybe what happened, you know, how it got out, they will weaponize that against you. We saw them do that. That comes straight from intelligence apparatus. So I think that's a way to weaponize it. is you just marginalize the person. It's kind of the same formula that they do all the time is you try to debunk them and you marginalize them, then you attack them and then you just sense with them. It's just the same formula. And we've seen that going back to really second-more war, definitely during the Cold War, and then even during COVID. It's the same, it's the same thing. History just repeats. Right. I guess more so from the lens of that propaganda and someone like, you want people to go down certain rabbit holes and like, I think I heard a quote from some comedian. He said something like 50% of conspiracy theories are completely true and the 50% of the ones are like to distract from those. Like, do you see that ever in your research? Like, where did this one come from? And like, it's fishy all the time. What makes it even more since AI? Like, if you go on to any of the AI platforms and ask about a conspiracy theory, the models will literally try to talk you out of it. They're programmed. Well, first of all, they're trained on data. It's all kind of like state-approved. You know, it's mainstream media is where they're trained on, which is state-approved. So you've got this narrative. And if you ask about JFK or COVID or anything like that, it'll immediately start just bombarding it. In fact, you can do this right now. You can go check it out. And recently, there's been studies on this that that AI is specifically trained to try to stop misinformation, but that in quotes because who knows what that even means. So it's harder than ever to get to the truth. Because so many people are leaning on AI and that is all manipulators. I guess, do you think the government ever creates fake conspiracy theories to confuse people all the time? Yes. What's the most prevalent example? Probably UFOs, UIPs, I would think. I think a lot of what we're seeing in disclosures is the distraction, like muddy the waters. The government's been doing that with UFOs since they became kind of mainstream in the I guess in '47. So yeah, all the time. We saw when before Elon Musk took over Twitter and all the Twitter files came out and you just saw the FBI and CIA was all involved with like tracking people's accounts and getting people to be platformed. Zuckerberg even said it on Brogan. Yeah, they were trying to get us to throw people off the platform they were saying, but they were doing that. I mean, I was a creator during that time. I would slip in COVID jokes, but I had to be very careful. I'm not Joe Rogan, especially when you're a new creator. You could turn off my whole life right now if I say the wrong thing. I mean, do you remember when you were doing storyteller, right? It's like, can I release this? Right. I made it like my old crime channel was I think at one point pretty much 50% of the videos were just getting debonetized and it was like flipping a coin and then I had a good friend at the time, Mr. Baldwin. He was like, "Jack, this is how you're supposed to speak about these things." I was like, "Oh, okay. I know what you mean." The government drive a guy crazy with fake information about UFOs. They probably probably quite a few, but you probably talking about Paul Benowitz, right? The Paul had a story. Yes, they did. That goes back to the late '70s, early '80s. Paul Benowitz was an engineer. He's working out of just an Albuquerque near Kirtland Air Force Base. He was an engineering ran a company. I think it was something really cool, like thunder, scientific. It had a great name, but all I really did was humidity monitors. Paul is working at a shop and it's near the Air Force Base and he sees lights and crazy stuff in the sky over the base. He just calls the Air Force Base and says, "Here's what I saw," and you guys maybe want to check it out. You know, like with the drones, we saw that that story just went away, so it was like Paul did that. We don't know what they were doing, but it was probably something classified. At the time, they task Richard Dodie. This is the Air Force Office of the Special Investigations. They task Richard Dodie with befriending Paul and telling him, "Yeah, maybe it might have been Aliens. It might have been Aliens, Paul. We want to keep this quiet, all of that." Paul was now getting wound up and he starts, he's like tuning his radio, trying to get signals. The aliens start talking to him and he's telling them at the base, they're talking to be communicating with me, but actually the NSA rented a house across the street and they were interfering with this signal. But Dodie kept winding him up and winding him up and just telling him, "Yeah, it's Aliens, man, but we got to keep this quiet." To eventually, Paul didn't know what was what. He was institutionalized a couple of times and his life was kind of ruined from it, and Dodie has become infamous for this story. He's still around, and now Richard Dodie says, "Oh, a lot of that stuff that I told him was fake was true, but some wasn't, but some was true." We don't know. I don't know if he's still on mission or not, but the task was muddy the waters, and Dodie was involved with injecting specific narratives into the UFO community to get people wound up about it like the Dolcee Base story. It's kind of a Richard Dodie story, because there is no Dolcee Base, but that story got a lot of legs and until Schneider got involved with the story and said he was in a laser beam fight with Aliens underground and they shot him up and he had all kinds of injuries, he ended up committing, in a weird way, the Dolcee Schneider. But that was what Dodie wanted to do, is just confuse people in the community, and we found out later on, maybe mid-80s, when this author Bill Moore, Bill Moore was a big deal in UFOs back then. He's the one who sort of broke the Roswell's story with his book. He had to broke that story, and he went and did an event. In the middle of the speech, he admitted that he was being paid by the government to spread lies through the community, and you could see this on YouTube, it's crazy. He's just booed and booed and like MCS to get up. It's like, everybody calm down. He's basically booed off the stage, and Bill Moore went from rock star to, you really didn't hear from him again. He showed up in like one interview and that was it. His career was over, because you can't trust him anymore. He took money. Do you ever worry about that yourself? Like maybe the conspiracies you talk about are fun distractions from real, intentionally hidden horrors done by powerful people? Or do you see it different? I don't know if I worry about it. Doing my show, the Y-Files, is different that, like if my interview show, I worry that, because I get a lot of outreach, like, hey, come on. And my team will say, this guy wants to come on. I'm like, he's an asset. So no, this guy wants to come on. He's an asset. So no. So I know who, I know who's who out there. And I talked to the other podcasters that, you know, get the same outreach. I'm just not going to deal with it. But when I'm just telling the story myself, there's no distractions from any of that. I just, I dig and I say, here's what I found, here's what I can't prove. It's up to you guys to figure it out. You know, I try not to inject my opinion, except if I'm attacking the government. I just try to, here's what I can surface. Here's what I brought up. And it's really up to the viewer to go figure it out, because I make mistakes all the time as people remind me. But I believe there's a lot of stories out there are probably just designed to get us our wheels turning. Which ones? I don't know. How would I know? Do you have a framework for, like yourself, which ones you're interested in at the moment? Nothing specific. I mean, I do a lot of UFO stuff because it's in the, it's in pillar interest that right now. And, you know, there's hearings all the time. The video dumps, the document dumps are really cool. Did you see a disclosure day? No, I'm not going to go see that. I'm not going to go see that. Did you see it? I did see it. And, well, now I think aliens are real. No, you didn't like that movie. You didn't like that movie. I heard some early reviews from, from people I trust. And we had a couple of events planned for disclosure days to like sync up with the movie release. And I called the team like, no, no, no, we're not associating with this movie. No, this is not. All right, so imagine you need relationship advice. And you ask your friend who hasn't been on a date since COVID and has three matches on his dating apps, even after paying for premium. Like, how would you do that? There's a reason you wouldn't ask that guy to handle your love life. Just like there's a reason Morgan and Morgan is America's largest injury law firm. Not all law firms are the same. Hire the wrong one and you might be beat before you even star. Morgan and Morgan has been fighting for the people for over 35 years. They've recovered over 30 billion dollars for their clients. And hiring them is like hiring your own army to go into battle for you. They've got more than a thousand lawyers in a hundred offices nationwide. If you're injured by someone else's negligence, you deserve to be paid. And their fee is free unless you win. So if you're ever injured, you can check out Morgan and Morgan. For more information, you can go to ForThePeople.com/JackNeil and see if you have a case. Again, that's ForThePeople.com/JackNeil. But anyway, guys, back to the podcast. No, this is not. I'm not doing it. To transition a bit on UFOs. Yeah. In 1977, on a Brazilian island, villager said beams of light were coming out of the sky and burning them. The Brazilian Air Force then launched an official mission and took real photos of what they called the Chupa Chupa. You said, quote, there's nothing to debunk here. It happened over and over again. What do you think is the most convincing story you've read about UFOs? There's a lot of stories that are just sort of urban legends. where it's like an alien, it's a lizard person, and it's like, well, I can't debunk it 'cause it's an anonymous source, it's an inner legend. So are there lizard people, I don't know, thinks so? There might be, that's not, you know, I'm not here as a spokesman for the lizard people, that's for you, but I can't debunk something that's anonymous. That incident that happened on Calarice Island in Brazil. That's all documented, the injuries are real, there's photographs of them, two women died, and the story is they're on the small island, so it's pretty primitive, like even like huts and stuff. And one story is they would see the ceiling of their hut or their cabin just kind of vaporize, like phase out of existence, and these lights would come down, usually on like the left chest or left breast, and be like just a couple of dots, like you see the, you know, shining a laser, like one of the laser dots, but this is back in the '70s, and then they would paralyze, and they would feel the blood being drained from their body. So that's where they call it chupachupa for sucker, sucker. And these women were taken to a larger hospital near the island, which I think is called Bell M, but I could be wrong, I'm gonna get a lot of things wrong today. And they saw that these two women did have low blood count, like it was reduced, and they were sick, and they didn't know what was going on with them. Like the things wouldn't heal. It was like the injuries wouldn't heal, and they died eventually, a couple of days later. So the mayor on the island is freaking out now, 'cause the whole village is going crazy, 'cause these things are going, it's every night, they're just terrorizing the island, and people are getting really hurt, and it's usually women. And the mayor calls the Air Force, and they're like, we'll send an investigator down. He's like, no, you need to send guys with guns and fighter jets and stuff. This is, we're under attack. So they sent an investigation team to look into it. And the investigation team took like 500 photos, they're like, yeah, this is definitely real. Have all the reports, Brazil eventually declassified all of this, but years in the '90s, they released it. All these reports, and they would see these orbs, come up out of the ocean without disturbing the water, go over the village, do stuff in the village, then go out into the jungle, come back, and eventually they were following the military around. And they said, we didn't know if it was intelligent or not, so we just sort of moved our base a few miles, and the craft just followed them over. And the photographs were all overexposed. They didn't really know what it was. But then when they looked at the negatives, they saw little objects in there, and eventually got like infrared photography, and they saw there's like these little cylinders. They even have film up there, all this film hasn't been released. About 20 years after that op, that officer who is in charge came forward and said, you know, this all this stuff is definitely real. This was just before the release of the documents. And he does an interview with a UFO magazine. I think the guy's name is Guadjavaird. If you guys want to look into it, I think that's the journalist. 'Cause you can see his interview online, he's definitely telling the truth, which we know now he was. And he has this interview, and even before it comes out in the magazine, he ends up hanging out in his apartment, with his bathrobe, like, roti from his bed. Like, you can see that the death scene photos, it's really hard to self on the floor from the floor, but somehow he did, he just ended up dead. His daughter doesn't believe it, they killed himself. - It was tied to the bed. - He tied like one end of the rope to the bed, and around his neck, and I guess just laid back? If you look at it, it's like, how did he die? You know, you throw it, you know, I don't kill a lot of people, but I would think he'd go higher. It's really weird, it's really weird. - Maybe he jumped from something. - He jumped from the bed. - Before he died, he tied it really quick. - That's something. - What do you think is the best evidence that humans have been visited by extraterrestrial beings? - I can't see any evidence of that, aside from just stories that people tell. For whistleblowers, I don't really trust that whistleblowers coming out of, like, Air Force Intelligence. So, you know those guys' names, and no, you can't come on my show. So, even though you get huge views, you're not coming on. So, I don't trust those guys. But like, Bob was our story, I kind of believe, but because this story's been so consistent, and he talked about element 115 that was not an element that eventually is one, they were able to create it. It's called Muscovium. And it's unstable, but it's all in the periodic chart now. But, and he says he has some, but he won't show it to us. Like, I wanna see, I need to see something, physical evidence. I need some low-level scientists to sneak a laser gun or something out of there, you know, a piece of UFO so we can see it. We don't really have anything. We've got little artifacts that have been debunked and stuff like that, but I need to see evidence. As far as aliens, I can't get my mind around to how far apart everything is. So, if UFOs are real, they're pretty sure they are, it might have something to do with interdimensional travel, which sounds kind of woo-woo, but it's definitely scientifically grounded, like traveling in extra dimensions to cross distances quickly. You can do that scientifically. Serum was researching that up until recently, looking for clues to climb particles, which allows you to slip into extra dimensions which compresses space geometrically. And the further deep you go, it's called the bulk. You go further deeper into the bulk, you go, more compresses and you can just go anywhere really fast. So, when we see these orbs or crafts, kind of just jumping like a ship's frame, that would be consistent with actually conventional travel. We're just popping out and disappearing. That'd be consistent with it. Is that aliens that I guess it could be, or humans from the future, or some type of sentient AI, you know, I don't know. But aliens just zipping across the galaxy here, I can't get my eye down. I don't think that speed of light is just kind of a thing. - Speed of light is a thing. I assume that there's balance to this universe. So interdimensional travel will be outside of those bones. - No, and extra-dimensional, that's scientifically grounded, like the math works. But the speed of light is still a hard minute. So, you would assume that if it's a hard limit for us, it's probably a hard limit for everyone. Laws of physics, in our reality, are just gonna be the same everywhere. So, if you're 10,000 light years away, you're still 10,000 years away, traveling at the speed of light to get here. What you really can't do, you really can't get up the speed of light 'cause of the mass and the gravity and all that. So, you have to define a different way. So, is that a wormhole, like an Einstein-Rosen bridge? Could be, but that's a lot of energy. So, maybe they harness a small black hole with singularity. Scientifically could be true. Jump into another dimension. Scientifically could work, requires a lot of energy and expertise that we don't have yet, but we do know it could happen. And the extra dimensions would explain things like the hierarchy problem with gravity. Why is gravity such a weak force? When the other force is so much stronger, like gravity doesn't make sense. Scientists don't know how it works. They're looking for gravitons, they can't find them. So, maybe someone found them. Maybe some species figured out the gravity problem. And the extra dimensions would solve that because of gravity originates in the other dimensions. And this is part of the paper, I think, from 2010. And if gravity starts there, it's so weak because it just leaks down to us. Where electromagnetism comes from here, so it might be weaker up there. I point up like it's up there, I don't know, it's around us. Electromagnetism comes from here. Is here, is strong here. That's a strong force. The gravity is really weak compared to it. Huh. Like, I forget the number of something. I tend to the negative 43. Like, it's really, really, really tiny. That's fascinating. I don't have anything about certain, but I'm just curious, because I saw stuff on, like, X about they turn the certain machines off. That's why life feels normal again. Like, you do think they put us back in the right timeline? A lot of things got weird when they turn that machine off. I don't want to get it to specifics, but they turn that machine off and a couple of people died and things got weird. I don't know, I don't really subscribe to that theory. I approach all these stories very skeptically and more scientific than Wu Wu. At least, like, you know, try to convince myself of that. But do you think it's aliens coming here? - I think it serves me best to assume no. - Okay, that's that. - That's a very diplomatic answer. - I think I assume, I think I connect more patterns that make sense assuming that that one thing is not true. On UFOs specifically, 'cause it would just make more sense to me that UFOs aren't alien spacecraft. - Yes. - You said I'm Rogan with a gun to my head, all the weird stuff is in the ocean. - Yes, I did say that. - If you had unlimited access and resources to explore the moon, the ocean, and Antarctica, or the Amazon rainforest, which would you choose? - I can only get one, huh? If I was only one, it'd probably be the ocean. 'Cause it's close enough to us that if there's visitors here, that's a good place to hide, is down there. The moon would work too, but it's not as convenient to get here, but the moon is weird, there's something weird going on up. I'd like to go see what's going on in the moon. They won't show us, they're satellites, we can't really see. But I think the ocean, there's a lot of good stories about what they've seen in the ocean and just giant craft on the giant discs under the water. If you're going to hide here, just. Mary on a trench because we're never going to be able to get down there and you think that's not human I don't think that's human if it's human then it's got to be time travel I just got to be crazy. It's got a time travel because they've got to figure out the pressure problem and all kinds of stuff You know there was one whistleblower, but I don't I don't want to name because I've not the stories kind of sketchy But it's just a good story. That's what I do is that's a good story who who said he worked on a recovery program From UFOs in the ocean and he described in detail. He was he was a biologist And the stuff he was saying like who's definitely biology grounded like he's a guy who's definitely a scientist But we don't know who he is. We just have his writing But he described these giant bases under the ocean near the primitive triangle of course It makes a great story and they would kind of move around the ocean the Navy knows they're there They don't go near them because they learn that the hard way and these craft are like Cension AI that are doing missions here. This is a story And that's why all the UFOs look different some are barrels some are discs some of this or that it because it depends on the mission So what happens is there's just giant thing underwater. They've got raw materials. They want to do a mission They're going to survey Antarctica So they create this package with the sensor data and it just needs to be this shape and out it goes It does its thing, you know a couple of people see it comes back under the water dumps its data whatever it does And then it gets this assembled that makes good sense to me like that would be a good way to do it if you had that technology Is that what's happening? I don't know. I like the story Something that helps me when deciphering truth is what would I do? I had the capabilities And I think about what humans already do with space flight space travel that our first missions are without humans in them They are we send a lot of like technology to different planets It would make sense that they wouldn't send any beings here. I think sets. Yeah, and we've heard contactees talk about Seeing some aliens up close and they're like when it got really close. It didn't feel like it was alive Like they talk about skin looks rubbery almost like it was a robot You got stories about alien autopsy someone's on alien autopsy in the inside was like Just one organ like there was nothing in there almost like it was just like a skin suit or something and we're the The bodies the corporeal bodies are just sort of vessels that just work well on this mission You know, it's got two eyes and the legs and stuff and that's how things work here and But it's not alive really or it's synthetic kind of biology So it's kind of makes sense like we would do that That would be a rover You know Mars rover Of the future. I'm trying to think of a time that Aliens would actually interact with humans or like some Organic species like species that's not a a eye or mechanical in nature like Do you think a more advanced civilization has ever turned off one of our nuclear reactors? I think they have I think they have we know the reactors have gone on have turned off that's that's documented You remember when all the drones are happening all over the place, right? The drones are flying over Like secure military sites all over the country, but just a couple of years ago Hmm a couple of the ones that are to not widely reported were over Shia mountain, which is norad and In a recent day to dump there were warbs or something flying over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. So you got CIA right there. You've got an Air Force Base there They had to stop their mission and get the planes out of the sky because they lost control of the airspace They Christopher Mellon talked about it like if we don't even control our own airspace over a most sensitive installations who's in charge and they could just turn the stuff off. I mean personally, I'm glad they turned like turn all that off Man just turn it all off. We don't need any new we don't need to play with nukes So something did that But I don't know if it's aliens. I don't know if it's alive. I don't know if it's if it's us But if we were visiting if we had an ant farm, let's say and there's something going on that was is gonna destroy our experiment We would go in there when we get out like I can't have any beetles in here, you know, I can't the ants can't have nukes We could pull out of there and we would do that So maybe we're part of that experiment where they're just here for resources and we're kind of in the way They're like we don't need you to put in the the ocean in the air with that stuff. So we'll just turn that off I hope that's real. 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So I don't think it's a coincidence that Those crafter out in the desert instead of you know New Jersey or somewhere and if you look on old films of nuclear tests I don't know if it's Castle Bravo it might be but some of those tests You'll see stuff in the sky that best is just like a film artifact or something But I don't know that film artifact is going between the clouds like it's It's like they were watching like what are these are they nuts? What are they doing? Maybe they went back and to the mothership and mothership's like just turn that shit off man We don't need them playing with that You know chimpanzees with a machine gun It's close to home It's so hard to not ask your perspectives about some of the smaller things within this but you can I just gonna get a lot of I don't know Yeah, do you You talked about the dark forest theory. Yes, the universe is silent because every civilization is hiding and whoever reveals themselves gets destroyed Yes, I think in 1977 NASA strapped a golden record to a spacecraft filled with music Maps or languages sure and shot it into space It's a terrible idea. You thought those about idea. Yeah, I do I do I I think dark forest theory. There's something to that That that's popularized by listen sure who wrote the three-body problem um I don't know if you read those or watch this show, but you definitely need to and Yeah, he says that the university dark forest in anywhere six or head up is gonna get their head chopped off There's a limited amount of resources So anyone who has the technology to get out here with us we need to stop their technology cold Or destroy them otherwise they'll eventually catch up to us and become arrival That makes sense to me. That's kind of how things work So I don't know if shooting records into space is a good idea like Or the the radio telescopes like we're here. We're here. Maybe don't do that. Our CBO message just maybe just don't do that But I understand the curiosity. Yeah, I'd like to know but Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea. It's deep and hawking didn't either Was it was there a story that Of like intelligent life communicating with us that you weren't able to debunk clearly I probably need specifics to know for sure because after 300 episodes, it's kind of blurry But I've never been able to prove anything anything alien or UFO. I haven't been able to prove Any of it. No except for like Operation Prada was the Brazilian one. We have documents. It's something happened But at the same time Brazil was working with the CIA on secret programs down there So it could have been that right, you know a lot of that stuff turns out to be High just high tech stuff. It just turns out to be a stealth bomber Even with all the stuff that's being dumped now you see numbers being thrown around like Oh 40% of this stuff could be extra terrestrial or high tech material that we can't explain That's not really what it says. It says 40% of witness reports Sounds like ET technology. That's not in the sense of data and such data most of it's just balloons and drones So I haven't been able to have have a story that says This is aliens. This is contact. I don't have any of those. I find it interesting doing this podcast that In my research of other episodes from like other creators and my own conversations It seems like a common thing that people have kind of torn down this old idea That like at one point in time people are like the government so smart and then now everyone's like the companies are smart The government's stupid like they don't have any secret in technology if they do it's only like a month or two ahead like yeah What do you make about I kind of grew that in some ways that the high the high tech if there's alien tech or advanced tech It's it's with the companies It that's where the resources are but also if you give that tech to Lockheed or Raytheon There's no FOIA request now. There's no transparency like If the government is working on a project we can Ask for freedom of information. We can ask for transparency. We can send a congressman But congressman have gone to area 51 and said there's nothing here. Well, of course. There's nothing here It's over at Lockheed. That's where all the good stuff is where it's or it's with the contractors and I've talked about that for a long time and it wasn't until I think it was age of disclosure that documentary that made me so angry the camera couple months ago I'll put off whose legendary in the community was talking about here is how we hide stuff. We give it to the contractors so people can't penetrate that the corporate fail. You just can't see in here. And I couldn't believe that he said it on the document or like we've been alleging this for 20 years and here's how I'll talk about it. So yeah, that's all the good stuff is with the companies. That's where all the smart people are anyway. You want the DMV trying to reverse engineer a UFO and know that you. In the 1970s NASA crashed a rocket into the moon and used instruments to record the sound it made. They reported it rang like a bell for over an hour. Do you think the moon is an artificial hollow structure? I don't know if I should just flat out answer these questions or if I just kind of should spin the yarn. The moon is weird. So Apollo 11 dropped seismometers to the surface of the moon so we can kind of track the activity. The seismic activity. We didn't know with that. Earthquakes, moonquakes. We didn't know what was there, it was their volcanism. So Apollo 12 took part of their rocket and just crashed into the moon and they took readings to see what would happen. And the scientists were blown away by the fact that we see the impact, we see the reverberations going through the crust and they're still going and they're going and I went and got coughing and came back. They're still going and they're still going and it's just for over an hour like you said. So when a scientist did say it rang like a bell but he was using a metaphor. He wasn't saying like it was hollow and humming or anything like that. The moon is probably has hollow spaces but it's very dry and it's very, it's not as dense compared to us. So the sound waves are going to go through there. That's just what's going to happen. We have a bunch of water and all kinds of stuff here. So we've got a molten core, the moon's core is dead so things can kind of bounce around. So I don't think it's a hollow spaceship but there's a lot of stuff about the moon that doesn't add up. Like it's too big, it's too close, it's tidally locked. We've never seen another moon like this in our solar system or any other. Like we've never found anything that is an analog of what is in our sky and it's different about our moon as opposed to others in the solar system. It's too big. Like the moon is really big, you know about I don't know one six the size there or something like that. It's too close. It's less than 300,000 miles away. It's like right there and we only see one side like perfectly. We have other moons that are tidally locked to their to their parent body but you have some wobble so you'll see other pieces of it but our moon is like, it's like hardcore like intense. It just stays there. We only ever see that edge. We never see what's on the other side. Oh, planets have moons but they're tiny compared to it or in their way out there. Nothing like like this. I mean, imagine if Jupiter had a moon like the size of Saturn that was just right on top of it. It would be crazy. But that's what we've got. What do you think the moon is? The mainstream theory is probably right but I'm uncomfortable with all of it. The mainstream theory is it was an impact like a large body. I think it's called thea. Hit the earth spins off the moon and that's why we have a lot of the same materials and that's why the moon's crust is a lot like our mantle because that's kind of got scooped out. That all makes sense but it's just kind of weird that it didn't keep going that it just kind of hit and just sort of form there and just stayed there. There's just a lot of stuff about the moon that's very strange and there's allegedly photographs on the other side that show all kinds of cities and structures over there. I'd like to see what's on the other side. Really? Yeah. Wouldn't you want to see? I haven't seen the photos with cities and structures. I think one of the whistleblowers, he talked about it in 2000, maybe 2000, one at the press court event that Dr. Rear put on his name was Carl Wolf, he worked for the US Air Force and he was a technician, basically like a copy repairman, he was just a tech guy and he gets called in to work on some photography equipment and he's in the Air Force. He's pretty low-ranking and he goes in there and he's like, "What's the problem?" And the guy's like, "You know I could believe this. Come over and show it." And like these cities and the lights and like these mushrooms, these domes and stuff and Carl Wolf was like amazed by it and he even said in his statement like, "He went home, told his wife and he turned on the news." He said, "I can't wait to hear what they found on the moon." And he was surprised when nothing happened that he was told, "Don't talk about it." All that. He eventually got hit by a car. I'm just so awful. Yeah. So those pictures are allegedly out there. I don't think those are the ones but they're pretty good. You'll know them because it kind of looks like bright mushroom cities on the moon. They're really fun. It's funny because you always hear from people like, "Oh, we didn't land on the moon because we haven't gone back there." Yeah. And it's like, "How do you know we haven't gone back there, you know? Would you guess that we've gone back?" I don't think we went back. The good story is that we went there and we were told, "Don't come back." And that's why. You know, I don't know if that's true. There was really no resources up there that we were aware of until pretty recently, like helium-3. So it really didn't make any sense to go back because there's no money in it. There's no profit in it. When NASA was defunded essentially in the 70s, it's like, "We have to spend our—we have a very small budget. I mean, NASA had a huge budget during the space race with the Soviets. But after you beat the Soviets, you don't have to spend the money. We won. So there's nothing on the moon of value. So we went to other places. You know, if we find an asteroid that we can harness and it's full of lithium or something, I would think we're going. I bet we are because that's profitable. That's worth doing. So it's cool that we're going back now. And helium-3 could be, you know, a game changer as far as energy. So there are resources up there. Now we see who gets there first, and China is pretty motivated. Right. So let's get cracking. You said that the budget for NASA was significantly reduced in the 70s. I saw that it's like $24 billion annually right now. I'm guessing that's probably like a 10th or something. Probably a 50th? Probably like a 50th. A 50th? It's really, really small. What would you guess they're doing with that money? Like, I was thinking about this last time I was like, "What the hell does NASA do?" They're government. So they waste most of it. That's the, that's a fact. But they had to have a ton of projects. I mean, a ton of projects, things that you don't even really hear about until they happen, like crashing a spaceship into an asteroid or a comet. That was awesome. I didn't know that they had that project until I saw it, you know, like in the news. And we've got stuff on Mars, stuff on the moon, stuff out there, plus all the satellite systems. And that NASA is busy. Now with SpaceX and the private sector getting involved, I think it's exciting. And then if you get billionaires like, you know, Bezos and Musk who have so much money, we'll just go to the Mars just cause. That's what you'd need. Because like, we don't need the money. We just, I just want to see what's over there. That's fun. Sorry I interrupt, but if you're a fan of this podcast and want to support real free speech, I just launched a Patreon for the channel. If you join, you get access to all my episodes early and add free, as well as the chance to ask each guest a question on my show. We also have some cool behind the scenes footage as well as some unreleased episodes. But if you guys want to check it out, just go to jacknail.com/patreon or you can scan the QR code on screen. For the first 300 people, you get a 70% discount, so sign up quickly and look, I get it. If you're someone who doesn't want to pay money for extra content or podcasts that are add free, I have a little gift for you. If you go on the Patreon right now, you can get an extra five minute segment from this podcast. Again, guys, jacknail.com/patreon, scan the QR code on screen, but anyway, back to the podcast. And then if you get billionaires like, you know, Bezos and Musk who have so much money that they're just like, we'll just go to the margins because that's what you'd need. That's fun. In 1999, an interview was released in Sweden with an alleged reptilian being named Laserta. And it she claims that reptilians are Earth's true natives here long before us. And humans are the seventh attempt at a created species. Were you able to disprove that story? No. Could debug that story. That's the Laserta files. So she, Laserta is a, she's a reptilian humanoid that doesn't interview with the Swedish journalists, is goes by O.K. or Ola K, who is famous for debunking stories like this. He gets outreach from Laserta. She says, you know, I'm a lizard person and you're the seventh attempt at human life. Do you want to interview me? And he's like, sure I do. And he says, sure. And he shows up, you know, at some cabin, they meet in some cabin. It's there with this like equipment, just sits her down, just starts interviewing and recording. And she, his coffee mug is like levitating, his pen is levitating. She makes his coffee freeze in the cup like she's got telekinetic powers. And she says, we all have these powers, but ours is suppressed because our creators call the illegim, suppress them from us. That way we, because we were just sort of designed to mind copper and defend the minds. So that's where we're warrior miners for the illegitimate. That's what we're paid for. And they would try with us. And then it wouldn't work. So they would like send an asteroid. They try again. It wouldn't work. They do a flood. It wouldn't work. And we're the seventh. And our experiments going pretty well, but they're not super happy with it. So they're coming back to kind of fix it. That's that's the story. And according to La Serta, there's other reptilians here as well. And they're competing for the copper. It's kind of a cool metal. You can do stuff to it. You can you charge with energy, spinning around it. It could do a lot of stuff. You can copper fusion does weird things. And according to La Serta, there's a lot of strange stuff. So there's a war on the planet for for the resources. And the alien will coming back and we're going to fight the war with them. I can't debunk it because it's a totally anonymous story that showed up on the internet, you know, like the year 2000. No one knows who Ola Kay is. He named himself Kay after the character in men in black said don't love that. So no, I couldn't debunk it, but no, I don't believe a word of that story. Really? No, but it's such a good story. I don't I don't think they're the way she described it as very present. Like there's a war and I don't think there's any war in orbit. I think we kind of would see that. You know, I think we'd be aware of that. You know, were we engineered to mine the earth? That's that's part of a lot of legends. I mean, she's telling half the Anonaki story there. And as she says our the Christian Bible talks a lot about this stuff and it could be interpreted as that. As she mentioned, some things that are in the book of Enoch that track. So they're good stories, but there's a I like hard evidence. That's why the third act of my show is everyone's least favorite. Yeah, you said that the watch time just drops off. This just goes away. Which I find so surprising, but it kind of makes sense. What are the most common non-human beings people encounter? What's common non-human beings? The grays we hear about all the time. Then there's the Nordics. That race comes up a lot. Those these are like tall, fair skinned light hair look a lot like us. The grays don't those are the they're four feet tall, the big eyes that those we hear reptilians we hear and the mantis creatures we hear about those. But someone like John Lear would go on tour snap show and say there's like 70 different species. You know, I don't know those those are ones that I come across all the time those those same four. Do you think the grays are humans? You know, I don't know man. It's hard to say because because time travel to the future we know we that's that's legit we know that that works. Time travel to the past a little trickier the math works but it's hard to wrap the math around a craft and since somebody back in time so because if there are us they have to be future us right. But if you subscribe to the theory it could make sense because maybe something happens to the surface of the earth so we go underground so we have to evolve these large eyes to see in the dark and we no longer need to be so big because we're compressed and our skin is pale because we're not in the sun like it you can line up the conspiracy theories to make them fit. But I can't get my mind around the sites. You know, uh Salvatore Pias has some really interesting patents. I don't know if you've ever looked in them but he has some patents about anti-gravity and I don't think he's he might have a time travel one but like creating wormholes all kinds of stuff and the patents are owned by the US Navy. It's really strange. He works for Space Force now. He never gives interviews. Maybe he'll talk to you. That would be awesome. He's got these crazy patents. A lot of the technology looks like old Nazi technology or ancient ancient Indian technology from the Vedic texts like it's really crazy like these spinning rings of mercury like mercury engines. I come across that a lot like counter rotating mercury vortex engines. I come across that. That's story a lot. And those are in his patents. So I like that because it's like someone trying to make it practically work right. But his patents are very vague. There's a lot of speculation. Physicists don't like his stuff. And his patents are rejected initially. The US Navy called and said no, no, no, we got we got anti-gravity to work. It's legit patent and patent was approved. They're not supposed to do that. So we have it or we don't. My point is it's it's cool that somebody's trying to make it work. So if he can make a craft go back in time then maybe it's us. So scientifically time travel is possible for humans. Time travel is possible for humans. Yes, scientifically. If you go fast enough for your near gravity time moves slower for you than it does to the observer. So do you travel to speed a light and come back everybody's dead and you only age whatever a month something like that. So that's time travel in a way. Right. You told one story that in 1977 a soldier walked into a glowing mist in the clay and mountains and returned 15 minutes later with five days of stubble on his face and his watch jumped five days forward. You couldn't do won't felt one. Could you? Let's tell the story first. Yeah, so that yeah, that was a Chilean soldier. That's documented. That story's documented. That happened. There was another one that happened also to a military outfit. I think they were English. In the 60s they hit the same mist and I think the officer was a general like charged toward the mist and hit some invisible boundary sort of bounced off. Everybody in the area started to feel cold. And then to each person it looked like everybody else was frozen. But you were still moving and everyone's like, oh, I was you were frozen. I was moving. So that was all very strange. And there's another story of a pilot flying kind of like toward Miami and he hits one of these time storms. He's off course and he's talking to the radio tower and he's whatever 200 miles from the airport, whatever it was. And they're like we don't see you anywhere. And then the mist goes away and he's like, oh, I see the airport. And I'm like, oh, yeah, we got you. But it's supposed to be like a 45 minute flight and he just got there. So time jump. And there's another British pilot who's flying over like an old air force base in England. And it's not dilapidated. There's like cows grazing on the pasture and stuff. He sees like these these guys in blue, blue suits around or something like that. He didn't know what it was. And he does his vision and he comes back and now it's a brand new military base and and there's craft down there and all things like that, which happened in the future like they changed the color of their suits and the aircraft. So he liked was seeing the future or something like that. A lot of the times from stories come from Jenny Randall's was an author who writes a lot about that stuff. That soldier, I think his name is Valdez. He came out later and said, I kind of I kind of fudged a little bit of the story and we were having a good time with it so everybody kind of built on it. Like he he walked it back quite a bit. A lot of the other those other stories have been either debunked or like the guy with the flight to Florida. That's that really happened. But it could be explained by high winds. He got caught up in some type of cloud or something get hit by high winds and just kind of pushed him really fast. I just have to say that theory. I kind of like the the time travel one better. But is that the debunking out? You know, I don't know. It's Jenny Randall's is a real researcher. But the research is a lot of it is speculative. Right. You know, I don't believe most of those stories, but I like them. A couple of my are pretty good though. Like the the military flight. His now his name just came to me. He's got it. His worth looking into his stories. Pretty good. Like he even wrote a book about it later. Like like Jenny didn't write this story. This the guy the pilot wrote it and he was like a legit pilot. Everything he said lines up. Whether you believe each time travel that's on you, but he said he didn't. I guess if you had to put together the stories that you've read over the years on time travel. Would you guess that humans have more likely unintentionally time traveled or intentionally time traveled? The stories would point to unintentional time travel because we talk about time slips is a phenomenon that's really fun. You'll be walking down a neighborhood. There are some hot spots for this like in England has quite a few. You'll walk maybe one story is a guy walks into a bookstore and has a conversation with a woman and he walks out and he's something feels weird and he turns around the bookstore is gone. It's like a pub or something and he can't he doesn't understand what happened. And he finds out later there was a bookstore here like 30 years ago and the woman he talked about was the owner. You see that story all the time. We're some soldiers were going down to a village. All these are in England and they go down to this village. It's really weird. It's quiet. Everything looks medieval but kind of new and they don't really see any people. They see like a butcher shop and there's an animal hanging there. It's all kind of bizarre and they notice that when they were going down there there are church bells but when they got down there there was nothing like that but they found a church half under construction. Now this is four guys with the same story and then eventually they go back out of the village and they look back and everything is modern again and the church is built and they hear the bells and then they go back down there and nothing happens. It's like they all slipped into a time store. We're slipped into it and they all travel the time. Now two of those guys stuck with the story. One guy said he doesn't remember. One guy said it didn't happen. So that's for fresh writing. That's a third act part. Right. But there's a lot of time. the stories, or if those are fun. That's all unintentional. You said a lot of these happened in the UK, or what do you think that is? I mean, a good answer would be laylines. Maybe there's high energy parts of the earth where energetic particles collide, cause some type of anomaly with time and space. Or maybe that's just where the story started and that they kind of become local legends. So someone tells a story and then in person, it's like comes up with the story cause it tension's fun. Do you see that a lot? Like similar stories coming out of similar areas consistently? Consistently, especially with, you always know a hoax here because their story has all the things in it. Their story has, they've got rays and they got reptilians and this craft and there's orbs and this telekinesis and the recruits of these children, they go back to fight a war on the Kuiper belt and they come back to their bodies. Like it's all, like you got everything. You got every conspiracy story rolled into one. I know you're definitely lying. Maybe you'll look up damn Boros' story. He's got all of them wrapped it into one. Corey Goods, another one. All wrapped into one. So you know, it's not, I know, it's not true. It, you know, a story is like, Pablo Sar, we're just talking, he's like, I just know this one thing. I don't know anything about lizards. I just, I worked on the UFO and that's what he says. Those are the stories I tend to believe more, where someone's like, I don't know anything about Mars and the future and some space war. I just know something came to my room at night. I saw lots of lights and now I have a bump under my skin that my doctors don't know what's in there, you know, they're implant or whatever. Those stories are very interesting. And the implant stories is like, there's the X-ray. What is that? There's an implant in him. There's implants in quite a few of these stories. Remember we talked about Operation Prada in Brazil with the lasers and blood suckers? That officer during that mission went back home for the weekend, which is kind of what he was doing. And he had a visitation at night in his bedroom in his house. And he said they look like grace. And he freaked out and he got a bed and they were just gone. But the next morning, he's like, something hurts in his arm and he's itchy and he's got this bump. And the doctors don't know what it is. And you see him on camera. He's giving the interview and he's showing you the bump like he's not. It's not AI. This is from the from like 1995 or something. He's showing you the bump. It's there. So something's there. And you see implant stories all the time with it. They don't know what what it is. And the X-ray show nothing or no, they show something under there now. It doesn't look like technology. It could be a cyst. It could just be a cyst. I prefer to think of it as like a tracking chip or something like that. Be way cooler. But you do see something. Huh. Just on you, I'm guessing the answer is no. But you've have you ever had a like this world sober experience with like an entity? Nothing. The closest would be, you know, some kind of psychedelic trip. But not I've never seen a UFO in Vegas. I saw like a green comet not too long ago. I don't remember seeing green comets growing up. And definitely not this bright. But it was interesting because just a few months earlier in Vegas, there's a green comet on a police officer's body camp footage. And then Metro PD gets a call that there's an alien in someone's backyard. Now that story's been a little urban legendized and conflated because that's not really what happened. But you do see the comet on the police officer's camera. Like you see it. Green comets. I don't, I didn't grow up with those. That's a, that's a new thing. That's a, that's a, that's a Gen Z comment. I'm Gen X week. We had blue comets, white ones. Have you, have you seen the UFO? Or some weird in the sky? The only thing I've noticed is an inordinate amount of satellites. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. But maybe there's just planes. Maybe, maybe just satellites, but there's a lot of stuff. Yeah. The orbs are very strange that perceive orbs all over the place. I didn't see a lot of that growing up. Yeah, it's weird. The sky kind of frees me out in general. Does it? Yeah. When I look at it. It just, you can't think about it. What is this? You know, it'll break your brain if you think too hard about what it is. I read about this. I was like, do people like go crazy looking at the moon? I was like, why is it called like a lunatic? You know, a lunar, you know? Yeah. And apparently it's like the thing and old religions is like, don't start the moon too long. Yeah. That's true. What do you think? The pyramids were used to generate energy. Oh, that's, I love that theory. That's Christopher Dunn's theory. It's certainly not mine. There's a lot of physical evidence that's something strange about the pyramids that maybe they're not used for what we were told they're used for. Like that the pyramid of Kufu is to hold the mummy of a pharaoh that definitely wasn't. There's a box in there, but it's not big enough for a pharaoh. It does. It would fit like an ark of the covenant would fit in there nicely, which would make everything work. But there are multiple shafts into that pyramid that have chemical residue of different chemicals that we combine create an explosion of hydrogen gas. The way the pyramids built that gas would not explode would be compressed and it would shoot up what's called the gallery. The gallery looks, it just looks like an escalator. But back in the day, it had these wooden baffles on there. If hydrogen, if this theory is true, and it's pretty, that's a pretty good one. I like it. This is one that I think there's a lot to it. So if that hydrogen flows through there, it would, it would, those baffles would vibrate as a certain chord. I think it's 440 hertz. Which happens to align it perfectly with the hydrogen atom. And also the gallery is surrounded by this type of, it's called rose granite. Rose granite is highly piezoelectric. So it's like type of quartz that if you compress it creates charge, which we know is scientifically true. But you only find it in the gallery. The rest of the pyramids is limestone, which is a good insulator. And then the exterior is this tour limestone, which is also would be a good insulator. So you've got this electricity, this compression, you've got the sound. And then you've got this little opening going into the King's chamber that's just the right size for a hydrogen atom to go through, like as a wave guide, goes into the King's chamber and then supposedly that chamber resonates at the same frequency. And it sounds really compressed. So it's really loud. And in the King's chamber, we've got these stone slabs above the chamber there that are super flat on the bottom, but all kind of chunky on the top. And they're called relieving stones, because they're supposed to relieve the pressure in the pyramid, the things they don't really touch. That's like it doesn't really touch that. But what they do see is chip marks on the top of there, which could be someone tuning it. Like chip a few more, chip a few more, you know, like the blow across a bottle. That's a Helmhose resonator. So that would be the same type of technology in the King's chamber. So that all fits. So that could create a lot of energy. If it's been proven that if you send electromagnetic energy at the pyramid, it will resonate that at lower frequencies. It does do it. We've seen it work. Where where there's no closure is okay, I'm with you all the way up to that. That all makes sense. But what happens to the energy? There's really no evidence for that. There's theories that the capstone was gold, which would be cool because it's a good conductor could maybe shoot energy into the ionosphere. And that kind of tracks with Nikola Tesla's experiments that he was doing at Wordingcliffe Tower. It's almost the same kind of technology is you use this aquifer, this water underneath. He put copper rods down in there, do some stuff on the surface, Tesla used electricity. They used hydrogen to create electricity with the stone. It's electricity. And then it just goes up. So we know that the pyramids are built on an aquifer. We have found copper rods. That's supposed to be copper there at that time, but they found it just like Tesla did. But Tesla wanted to do is send that energy into the ionosphere and then have receivers that can then take it out. And then you plug in your microwave or whatever. That's what he wanted to do is free energy for the world. That's why he was basically marginalized and debunked and defunded is because free energy is not good for business. So is that what the pyramids for it would make sense to me except we haven't found any receivers. I've been told that well the obelisks we find are receivers. That's fine, but there's no metal in those. But it could just be a technology. I don't understand. Nobody seems that interested in trying to learn it. So but a lot of this I get from Christopher Dunn. He's a he's a good read. Have they found anything that would he utilize electricity in the first place? No, you'll find some people say that if you look at the hieroglyphics they're called the dendera, the dendera lights. They look like light bulbs. It's like it's like a bulb. It's got sort of a coily thing in there. But the Egyptians didn't make glass so that's it's not a bulb. And they wouldn't have done that. That's the way we did light bulbs. You know you heat a filament in the in the glass with some gas in it close. They didn't do any of that. So I don't see any receiver for it or any use for it. But yeah, there's no evidence that electricity was used for anything. We have a lot of stuff laying around that's like full of wires. Right. But maybe they did something in a different way or maybe they didn't use electricity to the way we do. They're like, what do you use it for? Use power stuff? No, it does this. And we just like, oh, it changes consciousness, maybe. I don't know. They could be. That's interesting. Yeah, I I've never really need to do a deep dive in the whole frequency thing. How it all connects, you know. like frequencies in general, but it definitely connects. You could definitely alter your consciousness with frequencies. You can? Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about that. One of the famous ones is the Hennesseen process. I just had Tom Kambalon, who's one of the inventors of it. He worked on it at the Robert Monroe Institute. And the Monroe Institute is famous for the gateway process, which is this process where you put on some headphones, and two sounds are played in your ear, binaural beats, but the sounds are just off by about four or four and a half hertz, which you can't hear. It's too low, but your brain can tell the difference, so your brain kind of gets in sync with that wave. And when that happens, according to the gateway process, you'd enter the greater reality. You can manipulate the universe, can manifest things to happen. And we know this because the military went down there to experiment, and they sent, you know, like military intelligence officers down there to learn the process to see if they can change time and space with the gateway process. So there's something to it. I've tried it. I keep falling asleep. I haven't manipulated time or space yet. I'm not working on it, but it's real enough that if this is the 80s, it's not like a million years ago. In the 80s, the military is down there checking out, like how do frequencies, how do they affect consciousness? And you've heard of Hennesseen Drone, right, the same thing as frequencies affecting the body. So there's a lot to it. I mean, it's electromagnetism, that's a thing. Do you believe in manifestation? I kind of do, really, only because I've seen, I feel like I've seen it happen. This is almost weird to say, because I don't talk about this too much, but I had my closest friend died or I'm skilled, like when he was 25, back when I was like 20, 26, so this is a million years ago. So like if I need something, his name is Pat, if I need something, I'll ask Pat for it, whether it's a twist tie, whether it's, you know, I, maybe it's nicotine patches. And it's become like a joke in my family, just ask Pat and he'll do it for you. Like, I couldn't find my keys one day, and you know, this is in the office when I was kid. It's like six months ago. And like, Pat, I need my keys, man, I can't be stuck in here all night. Almost like a joke. I'm walking around the studio, I come back to my office and my keys are sitting in front of my keyboard. It's like, that's, that, that was a crazy one. It's one thing to find a paper clip when I need one, you know, because you want to reset the CD drive or something. It's another thing to have my keys placed up there. So I kind of connected this with Pat and, and his death, but I don't believe in ghosts. So Tom Campbell's like, you're manifesting that. I'm like, what? He's like, there's no, Pat's awesome. That's fine, but you need a paper clip, you need a pen, you need your keys, you're just putting it out there in the university, you have this and the university is just, is just providing it. Like, well, how, how big can you do that is like, as big as you want, man, is like, can you manifest a million dollars? He's like, someone did it, he said, she manifested $10 million, he tells the story of my show, I can, I'm like, no way, it's, and he, he talked to me, it's all of it. I want to listen to that one, uh, but have you ever manifested something or had it synchronized to you? Like, you're thinking of about a person and they, they text you out of the blue, where you think about something and it shows up right when you need it. I think unique way of explaining everything that's woo-woo with, uh, slightly less woo-woo stuff. I like your show. Like, the manifesting, it's, I would say the logical answer is, oh, you're just orienting yourself toward this, but my answer would probably be something like, you're affecting your subliminal subconscious mind that you can't, uh, access and other people can feel that and that people are more capable since more than they think they sense and in that way it works. So I just say yes, it works. I mean, that, that kind of works. That's, that's a pretty good theory. On Tesla, uh, 120 years ago, Tesla built a tower to be in electricity through the air, uh, the man funding the project, JP Morgan, killed the project with one question. How do you put a meter on that? That's right. Do you think we have free energy? And if so, who would control that energy? I think we probably have something close to it. We meaning military contractors like we don't have it. I don't think we'll ever have it. Um, oil is just so good for all kinds of stuff, you know, making money, making war, making money, making power, then we're going to stick with that for a long time. So I, there's a lot of energy technology that I think is, is suppressed, but I don't have any evidence of it. You've got inventors that have hard attacks and go missing or commit suicide. You have a lot of those through the years, whether it's a water car or sparky sweep with his, his zero point electricity device, he's, he's my favorite sparky, um, because he actually shows the thing on camera. That's, that's unusual. It's one thing to talk about the pyramids. Cause nobody knows, but sparky's like, here, look, all this stuff is running off of the box. And there's no wires. So, you know, this guy, love, no, no, no, he, so he, he went public with his device. And I had told this on my show, if you know how to do this, don't tell anybody, just work on it and then just public domain it. You'll get rich. Don't, don't patent anything. Uh, to sparky went public with this, someone from the military got interested and came over like a scientist like a physicist and like, I'll help you with this and help them. Then he gets, someone visits him from somewhere, I don't want to get it wrong, but he, someone visits him. Allegedly, it's like the men and suits type of thing. And they leave and a few hours later, sparky has a heart attack. Ambulance comes, they grab and they won't let the wife and the ambulance or anything like that. They, she has to stay home. Ambulance goes, sparky dies, a couple of trucks come up and they empty out his garage and all his equipment and it's all gone. And that's, and that's the story and that's kind of how it ends. And most of that happened. Now, did he have a free energy device? I don't know, but it's the video that he takes, it's very compelling. Like it's not AI and I'm looking like frame by frame like, where's the trick? Because I'm just a trickie here somewhere, but I can't find it. He's, he's just got one wire and he's got the voltimeter on there and you can see it. And it, and it gives you as much energy as you need. He's like plug in fan, fan, fan's take up a ton of energy lights every, he's just whatever you plug in, it'll just pull it out of there. And that's part of the zero point theory is that it gives you whatever energy you need because it's so much of it shows up in the UFO, the war all the time that these crafter powered by these little boxes that can power a city, they can power the war, whatever energy you need, you just plug it in and it just pulls it out of the vacuum. And I would know the vacuum is full of energy. So it's got to go somewhere. So I think we probably have it, we're definitely working on it, you know, like anti-gravity zero point energy, they're definitely working on that stuff. But that very quiet about it, I don't think we'd ever, ever going to find out we need someone to invent it and then just go big and public domain it. It's tough with this one because this is where I get a little off base. So the obvious, like the average person hears that and they're like, well, why wouldn't they just want everyone to have free stuff? And it's like, and then the person says, well, because they want to make money off it. And then I'm like, why do they care about money so much if it's like a controlled type of thing? Or do you see money as like a controlled type of thing? I mean, if it gives you as much energy as you want, like there's unlimited, there's no one really in control of that. Right. That was Tesla's dream was like anybody can just plug in to this hour and think of what would that mean for like the African continent, suddenly they just have free energy, right? There would never be any, every war is fought for oil. Everywhere that I could think of as far for oil or these resources. But if you solve the energy problem, then what are you fighting over now? Like you can, you can build anything. Energy is just free. Yeah. What were the last words of the guy who invented a water powered car? Stanley Myers last words where I was poisoned. Stanley Myers was an inventor who created his famous for the water car. This is in the 90s. And it ran just on regular water through a technology called electrolysis. You take H2O, you hit it with high, with high energy, and it splits off into hydrogen and oxygen. And you use hydrogen as energy that that works. So he created this water car that drove all around the country. He had engineers looking at it. They couldn't to bunk it. And he was at a, I think it was at a cracker barrel. Now, the story I heard was that he was with some investors from the Netherlands or Belgium, something like that. There's another version where he's talking to NATO members or something like that. Whatever it is, they're toasting this new investment at the cracker barrel because that's a great place. Terrible. And if they toast and something's happened to him, he runs out and he's like, he dies basically in the street. The other chases after him and he tells his brother I was poisoned. Now they do talk psychology on him later. They don't find any evidence of poison. Official cause of death is aneurysm. And Stanley had high blood pressure, so that makes sense. Maybe he was excited and had an aneurysm. But the autopsy is, it is kind of weird. It's not like, it's not definitive. There's something weird about the autopsy report if you read it. What's not, and that's a great story. What's not commonly told is a court found him, I don't know how to say convicted, but found him as a fraud. They said, they technology is fraudulent. So he was a court found him as a fraud. So I'm skeptical of the story. But that technology will. works, electrolysis is a real thing, but as we know it, spark, uh, it's not sparking stainless, we'd violate the law of thermodynamics. Like however much energy you get out of electrolysis, you have to put more in to get that energy out because of thermodynamics. So stainless didn't have that. He just put water in and to get electrolysis to work, you need perfect water. Like you need H2O with nothing in it. And we don't, and that's very hard to get. Like this is not perfect water. And the tap is definitely that's full of all kinds of stuff, uh, the fluoride for the mind control. But the minerals and all kinds of stuff. But he's just ran on tap water. He just puts this tap and poured it. So that, that's why it was bad. Is there anything on the fluoride one? I think a little bit. Really? Yeah, I think a little bit. Huh. It's just, it's, you know, with that one's been marginalized so much that I'm still, because I'm a lot older than you. So when I was growing up, like the dinosaurs being killed by an asteroid, it was like, you can't say that. That's bananas. So I'm still kind of wired to be very careful about what I say, I believe. Um, but yeah, I think there's something to it. Uh, to, to the fluoride is as making us more obedient. There's something to it. Hmm. Like you don't want to have too much fluoride now. And I don't, I don't, use fluoride toothpaste or tap water. I don't do any of that. Yeah, me either. But I, I think about it. And I'm like, well, when they said fluoride was bad, what did I do? I just bought another toothpaste brand. Uh, and when they said that the water was turning the frogs, whatever, uh, I started drinking like glass water, plastic bottles of water. And I'm like, I just feel like I'm spending more money in the first place. I can be manipulated anyway. Yeah. By Tom's toothpaste company. But did scientists find a 2 billion year old nuclear reactor? They did find one. That's the, that's the Oclaria reactor. They found that in a, in Gabona, West Africa. That was uranium reactor. They discovered that the uranium ore there, with that's where it's mined, which had uranium 235. For some reason, it was throwing off a U 235, which shouldn't happen. That's, you know, only a nuclear reactor would do that to create that isotope as we knew it. But what happened there was the uranium back 2 billion years ago was much richer than it is now. I mean, much richer. And if you have enough sea water, salt water that you pour into that thing, you can't create fusion. That's just the science works. We couldn't do it now, but the uranium is just too depleted. But back then, you definitely could. I think that's, you know, the, the conspiracy is that there are aliens that had nuclear war and stuff like that. I don't believe that at all. I think it's way cooler that the earth created a nuclear fusion reactor before there are humans. I think that's way cooler. And it didn't create that much energy anyway, which I can maybe 20, 25 kilowatts. But it did it for, like, years and years and years at ran and then powered down and come back on, like it was, it's really, it's a really strange story. Like nobody thought that was possible. Hmm. She think it was just a natural occurrence. I do. This is a good follow-up to our last podcast where the guest posed an idea about nuclear. Do you think nuclear bombs are real? I do think they're real. Well, your guests didn't think they're real. I'm gonna have to watch that. Have you dove into that one or as a, no, not cost. I don't think I've even heard that. Huh. Because we've seen nuclear tests. So does he think the nuclear tests that we, like, on film or fake? Yeah, he's shown videos of them and they did look a little weird. I'm gonna have to look into that. That's pretty fun. Huh. I hope he's right. It's great propaganda. Yeah. You need coordination from, from animations to do it. But I think there's some coordination, some level, the animations. Right. Because I'd asked what I'd tuck her on. I was like, was it every country that we shut down for, for COVID? It was like, it was like most of them. And I was like, well, that seems coordinated to an extent. It certainly does. Yeah. I mean, animations coordinated in wetland lab. That's certainly true. So why not coordinate on something else? Right. I mean, certainly do. And something I said about it was that, like, once a lie is told, if the person who told the lie dies, then the lie kind of sticks. And it kind of sticks. There's no reason that, like, the current administration and office like in China and Russia or US would have to know that they're real. You know, like there's, there's no reason that the president would have to know that a nuclear bomb is real. No, it's, he can go and see it. Like a missile. He doesn't know it's in it. But I'd never hear that story. But that's, that's a pretty good one. I hope it's true. You hope it's true. Why would you hope it's true? That we don't, that there's no such thing as nuclear weapons. Oh, because you don't have to worry about the threat. Yeah. That is what the guests would say. He said, that's why he cared about that specific conspiracy theory, because he's like, I'm glad I know this one because I don't have to have that anxiety anymore. Well, people my age, Gen Xers, that was our biggest anxiety. We thought the nuclear war was going to start any day. That's how we grew up with just, just low burning anxiety all the time about the Soviet Union. That's how we grew up is that the missiles are coming. We would do drills in school under the desk. It was scary. That was it. That was the only thing that bothered Gen X. That's why we're so chill now. It's like, we live through the Cold War. This is easy. You know, we had Michael Jackson's thing. There's things we're good. Our parents were never around. It was awesome. Let's go, Jackson. You've talked about a 29 story skyscraper in the middle of Manhattan with no windows, no lights, no offices, and no people. What's the one cell phone provider you wouldn't use? Rather than say that provider, I'll say that building is the AT&T Long Lines Building. That's 33 Thomas Street. That's the AT&T Long Lines Building, but the NSA coordinates with all the mobile providers. They're capturing all our data anyway. It doesn't matter. AT&T, two mobile, whoever it is, they're capturing our data. Are they particularly, like, lacks about sharing it though AT&T or do you think it's coordinated? Well, this is in the Snowden documents. That's how we learned about Thomas Street's codename Titan Point. It's a weird building. It was designed by AT&T as a communications and power hub to survive a nuclear war. That's why it looks so weird. There's no windows on it because there's really no one in there. It's a crazy building. I'm from New York. I walk by it, I don't know, a million times I never noticed it, but once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's hardly anybody there. AT&T will not acknowledge any of this. Even though we saw the Snowden documents that came out, we know something was up. We know the NSA and the government was inside of Google, inside of Yahoo, like in your Google Drive, they can see all of it. In the presentation, they even had little smiley face emojis in there, like, yeah, we did it. Yay. So we know that's in there. We know that James Clapper was confronted about it and lied to Congress twice. So it doesn't matter what provider you have. It's all that data is being captured. So we've been watched every second. There are other creators I talked to that we don't use our, we use secured comms to talk about stuff because some of these creators have to ask what the secured comms would be. I just, I wouldn't guess that they're being here. Just apps that are hyperhyper encrypted. Right. When I think about that, I think of like levels of access, perhaps, you know, like maybe someone could get this out, but less people could get this out. I think so. I think it's just, it's just less easy. Right. You know, some of these folks are definitely being monitored. I doubt I am. I don't think anyone cares about the guy with the fish, but I never had an issue or an incident that would lead me to believe that I'm a troublemaker. But I talk to you, you know, because I'm not really political or anything like that by talking with you. And we know they're listening and capture our data. It's so easy to get a, fires of war and it's ridiculous. The Patriot Act gets renewed by every administration. Republican Democrat doesn't matter. They keep renewing it. We don't need it. It can go away. We don't need homeless security. That can go away. Mockingbird. It's, I've talked about it a few times. Have you? Yeah. In the 70s. See, I paid journalists, news anchors, writers to spread different messages. You said it's, quote, still going on and that some of the people still reading to you on the news are on the payroll and that you know some of their names. How many people? You know, I can think of five. I've thought my head that for sure assets. I'm not going to name them because I, because they'll find out. They know who they are. All you have to do is listen to them talk and you, and you'll, you'll see the clues. Look at their names and you'll research their names, check it to the background. You'll find weird things. Are they connected to intelligence in any way? Have they had strange changes of opinion or ideology that seemed to flip on a dime at any point in the recent history? Just look into that and you'll sit like, oh, this person totally flipped locked on this suddenly or this person is in a different relationship or has different types of guests on their show. So there's five on top of my head. There's definitely more, but I don't really watch cable news. I don't think at all anymore. You know, I get my news from YouTube. I try to watch all sides and it's just a lot harder to get an asset in YouTube because once somebody is not trusted on YouTube, they're kind of dead and we'll just go find somebody else to watch. Do you watch cable news? For fun? For entertainment? That's fine. Yeah. Fox and CNN are both very funny. They're entertaining. I just always find it interesting to see what they're talking about. You know, it's like. Really, I didn't think of that that way. But. Do all the people that are on this type of payroll? Do you think they know? I'm not all of them know. I don't think. Most of them do. But not all of them do. I don't think the CIA has still admitted to Mockingbird. It was Karl Bernstein went back and actually saw it wasn't 40 journalists. It was 400 and the heads of the network were involved. And these journalists were getting stories killed. We're getting stories out there coming directly from the CIA. Some journalists were bag men carrying money for the agency. Some journalists would let the agency use their hotel room. Like, some of them thought they were serving their country. They're patriots. That's cool. Some of them like to play spy. Some of them is just like the money. I think it's pretty simple. If I give you enough money, you will say what I need you to say. Have you ever submitted a FOIA request? No. I never have. My show is so turn and burn so fast that they take months. And I don't look that far ahead. I'm like a dog. I only see my next meal. I only work on my next episode. I don't know what I'm going to do in six months. That's never attempted. Like there was never like one thing. No, because I'm not. I don't consider myself like in the UFO community or I'm not an analyst. I'm not an analyst. I'm not a deep bunker really. I'm a storyteller. So I just want to tell the story. Do I believe in time storms? No, I don't believe that. But it's such a good story. A mist and it grows the beard and the clock. That's what I do. You just tell a story. I'm not sure if you've done a deep dive on algorithms specifically on your channel. But you talked about dead internet theory. But if you had to guess from a technical perspective. What prompt would you use to recreate our current social media algorithms? Create an app where I'll be shown content that reinforces my world view severely. And show me content that is the complete opposite of my world view. That makes me really angry that gets being engaged so I can sell ads on that engagement. That would be the prompt I would use. So like Facebook. We just made Facebook. You think it's as simple as that? I do. Get people angry. Because it's just engagement. Facebook is there to have money. That's what a business is supposed to do. We're just supposed to make money. And that's how they do that. Facebook makes a lot of money on ads. Ads only work if someone looks at them. So we need you on the platform. And the best way to stay on the platform is get you fighting with each other. That's how people don't do it. I can't remember the last time I logged on to Facebook. Do you think it's more sophisticated than that ever? If you gave an example, I can give an opinion, but I think it's just money. You mentioned assets that could potentially be online. Like how do algorithms interact with those types of people? I don't know if they do. Because algorithms are not motivated by anything. I think people are, you know, money is very motivating. There's a lot of it. And if you're the government, you have unlimited money. You can just print it. So I think it's as simple as that. Like would you do this for a million dollars? No. 100 million dollars? Hmm. Half a billion dollars? I mean, we're. I feel like I don't have a price, but of course I do. I mean, everybody has a price. What's the most interesting thing someone with influence has told you about how power actually works? It's hard to answer without outing people. Is I have spoken to people with influence about how power actually works? Kind of dark. People are disposable. People assassinations are just. they're totally justified. And I think. Kind of even self justified. This person had to die for the greater good. Or this had to happen for the greater good. This plane had to be shot down. You know, this journalist had to be silenced. It's just for the greater good. I think there's a lot of that. That's how it really works. And our multi-tiered system where. You and I can get in trouble for just about anything. We can speed and get a ticket. But there are people that can just kill other people and they're fine. Or they can hurt somebody and they're fine. Because they have connections, they have lawyers, they have money. That doesn't apply to us. We see it all the time. Some senator drives off of bridge and someone gets killed and never has to answer for it. Stuff like that. We can't get away with that. We can't get away with dead people. What do you think is the best story the CIA has ever told us? The best story. JFK is a pretty good one. Maybe just because it's one of my favorites. I'd have to think on that. If you have a specific one, I can weigh in. I mean, this isn't a CIA. But you made a video about how in 1943 British intelligence took the body of a homeless man who died from rap poison. Yes. I know this one. How did the guy who created James Bond trick the Nazis into defending the wrong country? Okay. That's a good story. At the beginning of World War II, the Nazis were very, very strong. They had almost unstoppable, especially because they had so the union working with them as well. So the Nazis were very, very strong. And there was no way for the allies to penetrate. The allies could not go east. There was no way. D-Day was like a nightmare. And that's later. So there's no way to get to the east. So what Churchill wanted to do is attack what he called the soft underbelly of Europe, which has come to the Mediterranean. And they wanted to attack Sicily. If you get Sicily, you get Italy. And Mussolini's son, Italy, you get Europe. But Sicily was heavily defended by the Germans. So they were like, how can we. They were planning for this invasion. It was going to be a bloodbath. And thousands of troops were going to die. Hundreds of boats. So how are we going to do this? And that someone comes across something called the Trap Memo. And it's got all these crazy ideas for military. And one of the items on the Trap Memo was. Here's a crazy idea. Not a very nice one, I think it said. And the Trap Memo was written by. I have to forget the general's name. But it was actually written by his aide, who was Ian Fleming, who wrote the James Bond books. And what the idea was is. You put some false papers on like an airman and have him. look like a parachute accident. Have his body wash up. And the documents are found. And that will. That can maybe get them to defend the wrong country. So they spun up what's called Operation Minsmeet. And they called it that. You know what Minsmeet is? It's like the really sliced thin meat, right? Yeah, and it's like made out of like whatever scrap is around. And sometimes fruit and sugar and alcohol. Like it's on a British-eat-weird stuff. And they called it that because the body was rotting. So that's why they called that. So they had this idea that they would wash a soldier on shore with these classified papers that says. The Allies are going to attack Greece. And if they can get Hitler convinced to pull out of Sicily and go defend Greece, Sicily is wide open. So they find a homeless guy. And they give him a false identity. They give him a false fiance. They give him a uniform. They give him the papers. They keep him like he's on ice for months and months while they're coordinating this. There's a lot of good aspects to this to wherever. The corpse is being driven in the middle of the night, down through England. All the lights are out. And it's being driven by this crazy guy who drives the military that's like legally blind. But won't go wear glasses because he always wants to look dapper and he's famous for driving an Aston Martin. So he becomes like part of the James Bond war, this driver. They drive the corpse down. They put it on a sub. And have hit the corpse in like a coffin. And the coffin comes up. Like trying to sink the coffin and they're shooting it. But we can't have like a body wash up in the coffin with bullet holes. That's not cool. So they just kind of set off an explosion. And that works. This guy's body washes up on onto the shore. It's found. And they do this in Spain because Spain was technically neutral. But Spain was was collaborating with Nazis. And everybody knew that. So it's like put it on Spain. And it'll get to Hitler. So the plan was give it, send this, these paperwork gets the Hitler. We have to confirm that Hitler gets it. Look, get the body back. So the soldier washes up on there. And England calls the Spanish and says, hey, we had an accident at C or whatever. Whenever officers were looking for his body. And he had a briefcase of something if you see that. And they're like, oh, let's look. But they found it already. And what the British did was they put these false papers in an envelope with an eyelash in it. So that that's how they would know if the paper was opened. Like the eyelash would be gone. Because it was, it was in this envelope. It was like wax sealed. Like it was like legit. Like really look like classified documents. So the papers do get to the Nazis. And what they do is they stick this wire into the envelope. And they take the wire, wrap it around. the note, the papers into a tight scroll, so tight that they pull it out, just through the slit, the papers, they make a copy of it, they dress you and see water, roll it up, throw it back in. And the paper is fine, they're way to Hitler. And Hitler pulls out of Sicily. And some of his offers are like, this is all nonsense, this is crazy, that we just find this. And Hitler said, no, no, it's the hits legit. So they pull out and the allies invade Sicily. And it's, I don't want to say a cakewalk, because like 1200 soldiers died, but it's better than 12,000. It lost like 14 boats instead of 500. And they're able to land there. And it's considered one of the turning points of the war, because it's 1943. And after that, Hitler just starts losing, it really starts losing. Barbarossa, I think, is around that same year, so everything just kind of turns against Hitler there. They finally get the papers back. And the eyelash is gone, and it dries out, and it just goes up into a scroll. And they're like, we got it. That worked. And he gave him a funeral with honors, that homeless guy, I think it was like a Martin, something like Thomas Martin or something like that. He's buried with honors there in Southern Spain. Did he volunteer for that? No, he was homeless, Satan volunteer for that. It was just a body they had. Oh, so he passed. Yeah. Yeah, he was a homeless guy who died of rat poison. Okay. The word went out like one of the offices like, I know a guy who's a corner, so he called his buddy, he's like, I need a 20 to 30 year old white male in good condition that we can fake a drowning. So it's like, I got a rat poison, you know, that's what his corpse guy said. I got a rat poison guy. He's like, all right. That'll work. And the whole idea is from Ian Fleming, who made James Bond. Yes. It's from that trap memo that Ian Fleming wrote, or at least contributed to this idea of operation in Spain. He eventually went on to write James Bond books and a lot of James Bond is a composite character based on a lot of the men who served on this mission like driver. Right. In the 1991 Gulf War between Iraq and the US, tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrendered without a fight. Some say the military used silent sound, messages of fear buried under ordinary radio that the brain hears, but the ear doesn't. Do you believe the military can broadcast an emotion straight to your head? I think they can broadcast something that can trigger an emotion. It is a pretty long history of that with the military and the CIA. I think it was called Operation Phoenix, and I could be wrong on that. I think it might have been, which was it in Vietnam, they would broadcast kind of these spooky sounds into the jungle, but also these frequencies. And people were freaking out from it, you know, because even if you're not sending a frequency that's like synced up with your brain, how crazy that works. Even if it's just a really low kind of that deep bass you can feel, feeling your gut. And then on top of that, you hear like this horrible ghost-reaching sound and you're just a village in the jungle. That's going to have an effect on people and it definitely did. I don't know if that's why this soldier surrendered. I don't think so. I think it was shocking awe that the US has a lot of guns and tanks, so maybe let's not do this. But we know they definitely were trying stuff like that. There was one radio I think that was found at a CIA office that was on the roof. I'd have to go back and look at my notes on that particular event. I don't even think I covered it. But I think some equipment was found in Iraq, like what is this here for? They also, we know this was in the Vietnam War where they took advantage of the fact that they believed in vampires. That's the one. That's that's that operation. It was. Okay. And it definitely scared villagers, didn't scare the soldiers as much. I think about the fact that they took advantage of the fact they believed in vampires a lot. I think that connects to a lot of interesting ideas, but what do you think the military's medusa weapon is capable of? The medusa weapon. I don't think I know that one. Is that not the one that can broadcast? Oh, that might be the operation. That's the operation. Okay. I think it's just meant, I don't think the military is trying to do brain waves or anything like that. I don't think they're that sophisticated. I think it's more about this, this low frequency that makes you feel uneasy. Although the Havana attacks, I think there's something to that. But that for me, that would be more CIA than military, which I don't necessarily connect those two. I think CIA is kind of a, CIA is a civilian operation allegedly paramilitary at this point. But I don't, yeah, I think CIA maybe goes in first and gets things set, and then you send the military to overthrow the quote unquote democratically elected dictator, whoever they're deposing. Interesting. So you would guess that one of their objectives might be the concept of like quiet quitting, like feeling like you've already lost. Of course. I mean, that's with the, we were talking about Operation Minsmite and the trap memo. A lot of those were how to manipulate the battlefield without fighting at all. You know, you've heard about the allies just staging like rubber tanks and like stand-up dummies. So that the Nazis would think like, oh, that's, that's their staging grounds that they're going to invade at, you know, a Kale instead of Normandy Beach. That really worked some extent. They would fly over and take pictures like, holy shit, there's a lot of tanks and soldiers down there. But they were all like inflables, you know, so floaties. So kind of worked. Do you think more money is spent on psych warfare or actual military weaponry? No. No, I think more spent on the hardware, just because it's so expensive, you know, lockies together. They got them for money. But it's just because it's so expensive. That's an interesting answer. Yeah. That's the best reason to use it is because it's expensive. I'm cynical with the government and military spending because the manipulating the mind and consciousness is pretty cheap. You know, radio waves. If that's expensive, MK Ultra didn't have a huge budget, you know, didn't have that big budget. They really need it. LSD was cheap. Um, prostitutes are cheap. I mean, allegedly, I don't have that much experience, but, you know, it's all pretty cheap and if human lives are disposable, you're just getting it, getting them high and watching what happens. That's pretty cheap. Half of those people volunteer. I just didn't know what it was, like, see the experiment. Do you think Google was created by the US government? No. I don't think so. Um, but, but Google was, did receive a lot of early funding from DARPA. That, I mean, that's the, not only is it documented, I think, I don't know if it was Sergei. In one of his early papers, he thanked DARPA for their support. And you could do a money trail on early, early Google investors and see front companies for, for CIA, you could see, you could see it's there. And the thanking DARPA. So clearly, there was some early influence, but I don't think, I don't think DARPA went out and created Google. I think DARPA heard that, hey, they've got this algorithm that can, you're too young to remember. But I grew up with like altavista and stuff. So if you search for, I don't know, hiking boots, you would get links for hiking and links for boots. You wouldn't get anything that was useful. So Google creates this algorithm that you can target exactly what somebody's looking for. I think that the government was like, that could be really useful for, like, propaganda and stuff and tracking people, you know, what's this cookie technology? It's a cookie. It's like, oh, you have no idea what a session cookie is, man. You can just follow them everywhere and see everything that they do. I think the government was like, yeah, we want a piece of that. Let's give those guys a couple of bucks. And let's do some business. I think that's kind of what happened, but our government's not smart enough to create Google. That has to come from the private sector. So you don't think DARPA's an ultra, like, has the best people working for them? DARPA. The best people, that's hard to say because we don't even know what their budget fully is. And DARPA is only a few hundred people. I'm sure there's brilliant minds in there, but I don't know. I think that the smartest people are going to go into the private sector and make not just for the money, but for the freedom. If I was going to create an invention, I think I'd rather just create it and, you know, hire my friends and people I want to work with and make a bunch of money, then go sit in an office, you know, it makes $65,000 with a lousy health plan. I don't think I would do that. But the best and brightest, I don't think I'd end up in government. That being said, there is a lot of black budget money going somewhere, so it was very possible. There were brilliant minds working in the government that are making a ton of money that we just don't see. That wouldn't surprise me. It's like, oh, on the books, he's 65,000 with a lousy health plan, but he's got $12 million in his Swiss bank account. We know that that happens. That makes more sense to me. I was thinking you were suggesting it's more like investment fun kind of thing. The CIA has that, they have venture capital, but that's not the main function. There's probably just people getting told, well, I think it's just people getting paid well. As an American, you know, I'm anti-government, then anti-war, but I'm pro-American, so I want America to have the coolest stuff, I want to stab the best stuff, I want to stab the best military. I don't want us to waste so much money on it, and I'd like a little bit more transparency, but I'm not saying dismantled CIA, I would be crazy. There's plenty of stuff that you could dismantle, you definitely need to rain in the CIA and definitely cut NSA's budget by, they only need 10% of that money. You can cut all their stuff, but I still want them there, you know, you need me on that wall, you want me on that wall, I remember a few good men, Jack Nicholson, it's like what they do is ugly, and it's something you don't want to talk about, but you're just glad they're out there. I am. I'm cynical, but I want them to have the best stuff. Speaking of dismantling. the CIA, what do you think most people misunderstand about JFK's assassination? - It's hard to say now because I think most people believe it was conspiracy at this point. I think we're at a time in history with a majority of people don't believe the official narrative, the long gum and narrative. So we've come a long way, you know, in the '60s, you couldn't say, you couldn't say there was any type of conspiracy 'cause you were marginalized. That was that memo, that CIA memo in 1967. So it was very hard to do any research or anything 'cause the CIA was, you know, they're working with, you've got CIA resources, they're working with the mob, you know, you can order a mob hit on you. It was all things that really happened. Working with the FBI, you know, killing black panthers, you know, people saw that happening. So it's like, I'm just not gonna make any waves. But now I don't think anybody believes Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I mean, do you? - I just kind of look at what did this person say or try to push before they died? - You mean, Lee Harvey Oswald? Like JFK, for instance. - Oh, JFK. - Well, he tried to, his quote was, the CIA should be scattered into a thousand pieces, the pieces scattered into the wind or something like that. He wanted to, he fired Alan Dallas. I mean, that was the end of JFK right there, firing Alan Dallas. But after he was burned in the Bay of Pigs, he said, I'm never gonna trust the CIA again. And he used to talk to Eisenhower quite a bit. And Eisenhower said, don't you can't trust the CIA? You know, the Eisenhower said the military industrial complex on his way out the doors and you can't make war profitable, you always have war. And he mentored JFK a little bit. I mean, we have recordings of them talking in the Oval Office. It's kind of amazing. But as soon as JFK was burned in the Bay of Pigs, he said, no, no more CIA. He wanted to get rid of it. And he talked about this dark cabal and he hinted at some of like weird occultism and stuff that he talked about in some speeches. He wanted it to go away. He felt like they were operating on their own 'cause they kind of were and he had to go. And I think that's as simple as that. He was going to dismantle the CIA so he was killed for that. - Seems to have a look at that. - Yeah, I mean, he fired Alan Delas and then the Warren commission was headed by Alan Delas. So the guy in charge of investigating his murder was the guy who had been hated and fired. Alan Delas was in the CIA for, since the Second World War. So he was in the OSS in Switzerland and then becomes head of the CIA for 20 some years. And he and his brother were not like Nazi collaborators and stuff. I'm going to do a whole series on the Delas brothers. I think it's saved by now. So of course, it's like, to me, it's like obvious. He's got to go. - What do you think would happen if a kid were president? - I think young is probably good. - I guess the question under the question here is, what do you think the effects would be? - I'm definitely sick of the old dudes. Definitely sick of that. But there's something to be said for wisdom and life experience, there really is. And it's kind of what the founding fathers had in mind when they put, when they put a minimum age in there of 35, 'cause that doesn't really exist anywhere else. And to them 35 was pretty old, you know, with life expectancy of 54, whatever it was back then. So they wanted a little bit of wisdom and experience. That was the kind of the, you need that. When I won a 24 year old, running the country, absolutely not. I remember being 24 or so stupid and anything. You don't know anything until you're like 30. That's when you start to learn stuff. And then when you're like 36, you realize you didn't know anything again and it goes like that. So yeah, I wouldn't go lower than 35 for sure. But there's something about the youthful energy, but also kind of the progressive, not the ideological progressive, but the progressive attitude of like moving us forward a little bit as opposed to status quo. I feel like we've got a lot of status quo. These last four or five administrations. - So you think the president has some degree of power enough to where you? - He has a lot of power. He has a lot of power. Not as much as he thinks he does, but he has a lot of power over us. You know, executive orders are law until someone says otherwise saying he has a lot of power over us. - This is my belief as well. I just curious where you're at on that one because a lot of people are just like, oh, the president can't do anything, but like it seems to me that the president can do stuff and everything else that's going on is just like a very complicated system of trying to deal with the system that was put there. - I think that's exactly right. 'Cause the president can do stuff. I mean, president Trump is releasing UFO stuff. I mean, I don't know how much is true. It's propaganda. I don't know any of that. But stuff's happening. You've got some JFK's documents released. Those are things we wanted. Some other things we wanted like Epstein files, not we didn't get so much. He didn't have the power there. So I guess it really depends on the target. - Right. In 2011, you and your brother, Gino, started a weed company from your living room. You engineered the THC extraction yourself from a 1976 UCLA chemistry paper. - Yeah, I didn't see this question coming. - And your company was the one that sold THC gummies to celebrities. - Yes. - Before you started the conspiracy theory podcast, were you Joe Rogan's weed dealer? - My brother was. Like, you know, the famous clip of Elon Musk Smokin' the joint that made everybody crazy. That was like, that was our stuff. That was Gino's weed. - Really? - Yeah, once a year we would give Joe just a big box of all kinds of different products. And he would just promote the company. He talked about, he's the company's speed weed. He talked about the speed weed all the time. And that's how Joe and my brother became friends. They've been friends almost 20 years at this point. And it was because Gino was Joe's weed dealer. You know, we did delivery in the early days of cannabis when it was kind of the Wild West. And we did it on a very professional way. Like, delivered before them was like, he called a number and it's kind of weird. With us, you go on a website and it's like, it's e-commerce site, you're able to track your driver in real time, like even before Uber existed. We were doing driver tracking. And it was just professionally run. So when you get delivered from us, it felt like a thing. It didn't feel sketchy. Were you like inspired to get interested in conspiracies by selling THC gummies to Rogan? Or is there a more important part of your backstory to understand why you do what you do? - No, I got interested in the weird stuff 'cause dad used to listen to our belt. But our belt didn't do a lot of conspiracies. The conspiracies come from me being sort of anti-authority like anti-government, I don't like being told what to do. And the conspiracies just line up well with the content, like the people who are into UFOs, the kind of anti-conspiracy is also. So I didn't do a lot of conspiracies early on 'cause I wasn't really my thing. I believe JFK, JFK conspiracy and all of that. But I wouldn't have covered it. It was only when people started to asking for like, hey, what really happened here? I heard this and then I would look into it and be like, oh, this is a cool story. But it wasn't really something I was drawn to. - Hmm, what were you liking in high school? Were you ever interested in this stuff? - Not really. - Not really kind of come all at once. - No, not really. I mean, I think I was kind of a normal kid. I got good grades. I was social enough. I don't know, I wasn't weird. I still talked to some of the guys back home. But no, a lot of the conspiracies just sort of an accident with the YouTube channel. I wasn't really doing conspiracy anything before YouTube, but she's just, I don't know, five years ago. It was just the stuff that people liked. And you know, I didn't know anything about Operation Mongoose or Phoenix or any of this stuff. It's just in researching, you start. It starts to get sticky. Like, oh, I remember that from another episode. It was especially early on. I didn't know anything about the topic until I started it. Like if someone said, hey, can you look into this? I'd first be like, I don't know what Operation Mongoose is. But three people have asked for it. So it must be cool. So then I'd look it up and be like, oh, there's the story here. And then you learn and then you start to do JFK. And you see a connection and then you do, like the Mori Island UFO incident is somehow connected to JFK and flying saucers. You just start to make the connections, which makes the stories better also. If you've covered all this stuff before, you can bring in some links that are interesting. It's be like, eh, it's almost like a callback. Oh, you guys remember this one? Here it is again. Yeah, I wish I had a show for a minute. Like yours, I feel like mine is so guest dependent. It's always like me putting the patterns together. Cause I feel like people aren't watching like all the episodes. They're watching like a few that are guest in a similar niche. But I'm like, this person said this thing. Uh, he was like a high school science teacher and has to do with this conspiracy theory, you know? But I'll just ask this out of my curiosity. How many videos have you expect not done? Like is there like topics that yeah, there, there are a lot. I mean, I want to topics that will be demonetized. It's my living. So I'd love to do a COVID series and get a lot of that information out there. But I won't do that just yet. I have a good relationship with YouTube. You know, they let me do a lot. But there's some, some stuff that I just can't do. There are some topics that you just cannot do, even weird ones, even ones that I won't talk about because I've been interested in. How many of those? Not that many. And I don't know. know what they are until I ask. Like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this. And they would be like, hmm, don't do that one. If you ever filmed a video and someone was like, maybe don't do that. Yep. I've had videos totally taken down by the platform. Uh, there are videos on there that you cannot find. You can go through like my archives and get to them and you'll find like some old ones that like, oh, I didn't know he did this. It's like, yeah, you didn't know because it's totally, totally off the algorithm. Like, do not push it. And I've had some videos that are just yanked. I had one just yanked the other day that it was like four years old. And, and we're like, why did you pull that one? Like, oh, we don't, we don't like this anymore. Then, okay. I noticed looking through your videos that there would occasionally be like a random 20 seconds cut out of something. Yes. That it looked like it was done after the video was uploaded. Yeah. And, you know, it might have been just a copyright thing because once you commit the video as you know, you can't edit it. You know, so if it's up there for a couple of days and you get a bunch of views and YouTube doesn't want it, you have to make the decision. Do I break, do I fix it? Because then I have to re-o upload it and start again. Right. And which I usually don't, I have in some cases though. I have done, I had video pull down. I did a full read, I added on just to make it compliant. But for the most part, I just stay away from topics that make people angry. I don't do politics too much. No, I don't do left and right because I'm not a left right guy. I'm more of like people versus power. That's, that's kind of my angle. It's pretty rare. Yeah. You think it's rare? Three people that make content. That's interesting. Yeah, I, I found myself a lot on the podcast being like, wait, why aren't we talking about like people versus power? You know, it's like always this subgroup of this thing, you know. Right. It's the Democrats, it's the Republicans. It's none of that. What's the strangest coincidence in history you've ever come across? The Lincoln JFK coincidence, there's a pretty cool. Know how Lincoln was killed at Ford's theater and Kennedy was killed in a Ford Lincoln. And Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy's was named Lincoln, same number of letters in their name, same number of letters in the names of their sassans, that kind of stuff. I think that's, that's cool. It's this, you could make things fit if you look hard enough, you know, like Lee Harvey Oswald is the same, he used three names. John looks with use three names, but that's not really why they do that. They do that. So there's not a confusion in, you know, he was called Lee Oswald. He didn't go by Harvey. And he was just called John Booth. No, actually, he went by Willis. Um, they had the middle name. So there's not a confusion with like other people with the same name. That makes sense. Yeah. So you can, you can just make things fit. I don't believe in like, same number of letters. I don't, I'm not a numerology guy. I think, really? Yeah. I'm not, I think it's, I think I'll have this nonsense. But math and numbers are fun because that's just fun stuff with math and numbers. And the numerology one's funny because I, there's something there, but it could be done in Krueger. But I also think that if a lot of people think that something's there and those people happen to have influence, then something actually is there. Sure. It's worth looking at. You know, uh, it's like if the people who, I don't know, make all the decisions and have the most amount of money believe in numerology, then it sure to pop up. It's a fair point. You know, a lot of the powerful people believed in the occult and, and Satanism and all that. Do you think that actually do? I do. I do. I mean, we know for sure, like Alan Dulleson and some of the wealthiest Americans used to do say ounces all the time. And Alex Crowley had influenced that a lot of people and a lot of influence on Jack Parsons. It was like started JPL. Like, well, it's just a lot of occult floating around there. And it hasn't gone away if you look at it closely. I've heard that stuff and it made me at first be like, okay, it's definitely real. But now I kind of see as a mechanism of maintaining power could be, you know, it could be, I'm sure there's lots of people who just go along with it because that's what they're doing. She's a lot of herd mentality. I mean, if you talk to politicians and wealthy people and regular people, it's like the wealthy and the politicians know no more oppressive than just a smart guy. He's more interesting than someone with a bunch of money. That's their thing is you got a bunch of money. Why does that make you smart? Why should I listen to you? Someone, someone elected you a Senator? Well, they don't like that. Are you good at voice impressions? I guess maybe some. I'm not that, I wish I was better. Can you do the Hucklefish voice? No, I can't seem to get it. I can't get the pitch high enough. And I don't have enough. He has timber and gravel. I can't get there. My voice, yeah, smooth. My voice is you can fall asleep to this. It's like playing high on the wings of Y 105. I'm just so soothing, but he's grating. I can't do it. Where's he at? Right now I had, I don't know, I'm traveling. You don't take him with you. It's all like a service. He's terribly. He can't put him under the seat. He hates it. Can you do the Hucklefish impression? Oh, no. I'd love to hear you try. I can't do the high voices anymore. No. I used to be pretty good at him. I used to do like the gollum voice impression when I was a teenager. And then my voice like, I don't know, your ball is dropping. It's like you can't fucking do high voices anymore. It's true. But I'm sure I can figure it out again. What can conspiracy theory do you suspect is true? But there's literally nothing there. I can't think of one because all the conspiracies have pardoned me something. All of them have something. You know, you can believe in COVID or not, but there's just plenty of evidence that it was an engineered or at least a tweak to virus. There's plenty of evidence to gain a function. But that's not the official narrative. You know, JFK, there's just plenty of evidence that Bentley Harvazzle was the Patsy. So I don't know up top of my head. There's a good conspiracy needs to have some element of truth to make it fun. Otherwise, it's, it's just an idea. It's just a theory. There's no conspiracy. You need some grounding facts told onto it. You built a whole career exposing lies and uncovering truths that have the potential to get you silenced and deleted from the internet. What's the one thing that you, AJ, aren't allowed to say on the Y-Files? That I'm not allowed to say. Not allowed to talk about 9/11. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna anyway. Because Tucker did it first. Is there anything that you can say here that you can't talk about on your show? No, I can't. Some of us say here I can't talk about on my show. Like, I talked about COVID a few times here, but I don't, I will, I will joke at it on my show. But I won't, I won't do a hardcore COVID video, not yet. Eventually, I will. Same with 9/11. Even with some of the CIA stuff, I hold back on a lot of it because it gets really dark. Like all this. For and stuff. I don't do that. I even did one story that was just about the Montauk project, the Montauk experiment. It's kind of like Stranger Things is based around it. And it's a military experiment. There's a chair and you can open a portal and go through time. That is that kind of story. And I always like that story. As I'm researching, and then I realized that the author of the story, Preston Nichols, was having these young men over his house and he was teaching them how to open the portals. But he had to go into his bedroom and he'd come out all sweaty. And the men would come out all upset. And he was doing this to all these young boys in the area. I didn't find that out until I was like two thirds of the way through the episode. I'm like, Oh, no, this is a dark story. So even in the middle of the episode, before I get to my rap, I tell the audience, now is the time to put the kids away. Like, like, I mean it for real. Like this is going to, this is not for them. So get them out of here. Go take a minute. And then I told what I found. So if I had known that early, I would have never done the story. I didn't want to do that. You don't want to tell people, all right, now we're going to talk about possible, like that's not why you tune into my show. You tune in for fun. So when to cover it? Is there any specific pattern that you've identified about humans from uncovering all these lies? A few. I mean, humans want to believe what everybody else believes. That's why so many conspiracies become fact later on is because you don't want to be the one who goes against everybody else. You want to be marginalized. And the CIA knew that very early on. Like just keep calling him crazy. And eventually everyone will. And that's works. And it still works now. You don't want to be someone who goes against what other people are saying. You want to, you want to be long, you know, you don't want to be at a cocktail party in the corner standing next to me. You don't want to be that. So people want to believe the easiest narrative, the one that just leave me alone, the one that get your eyes off me. Just they want to go along with, with the herd. I guess for like people in power, do you think it's about money, sex control? Is it something else? No, I think you nailed all of it. There it's [BLANK_AUDIO] money, power, sex, yeah. That's what it's about. But that's not new. That's, you know, that's since cavemen that we wanted that. We all want that at some level. Some of us are just, you know, have moral standards or, you know, I say I don't care about money, but that's easy for me to say because I have enough of it. But I mean, there are sponsors I won't take because I don't like what they do, like gambling sites and stuff. They'll just throw money at you, but I won't take it. And other things that I just won't do because I, you know, I got old. I don't have them any years left. My father, I have, you know, my bills are paid. So I get to kind of do what I want, which is kind of nice. Younger people getting started and maybe just have to take the deal. I probably would have taken certain deals earlier on, you know, when I was struggling because I struggled for a long time doing this. So I just try to be self-aware, you know, like it's easy for you to say. It's easy for you to have a morality when you can afford it. That's so true. So I just try to be self-aware, like, so it doesn't sound too obnoxious because I don't want someone to feel bad, like, oh, well, I have to do this deal. I have to take this job or do this thing because I have to, if you have to, that's not about that has nothing to do with me. I'm not, I'm not here to judge anybody. I'm just saying what I am comfortable with. That deal always comes. And it always comes. I ask this to Tucker. I want to do your thoughts on it because I feel like you've read so much about all this stuff. Do you think the lie is different at every level? Yes. Yeah. I, yeah, now that you even say that, I'm going to factor that into my research because there's always new layers to it. And I think the deeper, like, the more powerful you go, the, I think that the darker the lies are. It's kind of hard to explain. Like, the regular CIA officer, just who's an analyst out there doing a job, I don't think they're a liar. I think they're just doing a job. Just, but you get a little higher. It gets a little darker. Like, oh, I've got some analysts that are doing propaganda. And then you get a little higher. It's like, I've got some supervisors that are specifically focused on social media and go a little higher and eventually get to the director of CIA working with, you know, the administration and maybe CEOs of platforms all colluding to send a narrative out of our way. Like the lies get darker. When you get down to the person who's just even the FBI agents in the Twitter files, I don't think most of them are probably not bad people. So this is your assignment. Call Twitter and tell them to deep-platform that guy. It's like, all right, that's, I'm a patriot. He's, I guess he's dangerous. I'll do that. I don't really blame them. And Susan charge. Do you see different layers as you go up? For so long, I was focused on the layer above all the layers that you just described. You mean like like a shadowy cabal? I would say the layer above that. What was it? What would be above that? Exactly. I don't think there is anything above that. Do you think there is a small group of elites? I know at the very least that it seems unlikely that it's only spiritual warfare. But I think it's more so like a behavior of people. And I think that those people often find each other. I don't know. I just, I think about how much is run on money. And I can't imagine how many people have control over the money itself, you know? It's like who's the person that created it? I don't know. Because the money gets to the scales that, you know, you and I can't have a really comprehend. Because when I say my bills are paid, that means my bills are paid. That doesn't mean, you know, I don't have a yacht or private plane. That means my bills are paid. You know, I'm wearing $18 with a clothes. But I have clothes and my bills are paid. So I don't know what happens when you, like when you're a billionaire, you don't really have to do anything that you don't want to. You don't have to follow a single rule. There's no ramification. You can buy your way out of anything or into anything. That's dangerous. But then again, I, you know, I'm an anarcho-capitalist. There's, I don't think this should be a cap on income or anything like that. If you're worth $100 billion in good on you, just try to be a good person if you can, but you're probably not. That's hard to get there, I think, and not be like fucked over a lot by other people. I think that's true. Maybe look at the entertainment industry that you're familiar with. If you look at like a lot of a list actors, you know, as an old actor myself, you talk to friends and like, oh, I wish I could be a movie star. It's like, you're not ruthless enough, man. These are not, there are a lot of these people really ruthless and it's really type A, really. It's a fiber focused on their success. It's super narcissistic, super ego, and you're just too nice of a guy. You know, you love animals too much. You like puppies. You're not going to get there. You got to be, you got to be a killer. I've had two friends who I've met and I was like, they had the behavior archetype to be successful, but they were just super nice. And I was like, dude, I'm going to see you in a year and you're going to be at dick. And like, yes, they were. And I'm not saying in a bad way. It's like they're like, you get fucked over by people and like you do a different kind of person. And you get, you kind of get jaded and cynical and you don't trust people. Right. Yeah, because, yeah, you've been screwed over by the system or whatever and you realize, I just got to be a killer. You think AI is going to kill us all? I think it's could be. Really? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's definitely dangerous. I mean, it's dangerous now because of the manipulation of the media and the government. But it's definitely, you know, when AI scientists say, I don't, we don't understand how it works because they don't know how it works. They don't, that's kind of, that's kind of risky. Now, I don't know if there's going to be an AI apocalypse. I did an episode on AI apocalypse, by the way, which is pretty dark. And, um, you know, how, how AI would take over the world. I did this very early on and kind of the big reveal, which is not a big reveal now is that that dark story I told AI wrote that story because I prompted for how would you take over the world like before, like when you can jailbreak it. So I, I, I, like jail broke it and said, here's, how do you, how do you kill us all? And it just told me and I just told the story, word for word that came out of there. I said, just write it as an narrative chapters. And I just told the story and it said how, how it happens. And it was pretty dark. Like was it slower? Was it? No, no, it wasn't slow. It was like, um, it would even in the air gaps network, it found a way to get it, it was like a Roomba. It was like, it got into a circuit board there and then was able to get out and then just start self replicating it so it's just everywhere. And then once it's everywhere, if it can control like robotics and stuff, it can take physical form, it can repair itself. And then it could have intention. And if you're AI and you start looking at humans, you got to be like, what, why do we need this? Look how messy they are and they're gross and they're constantly fighting. We don't need this. We just need energy. Get the humans out of the way. So the sentience is what we have to look for, but I'm still fascinated by it. That's a fascinating one because it seems to me that it would be an interest of an AI company to want people to believe that it's going to kill us all. Why would it be in their interest? Because that seems like a good buy of a stock. Buy my stock because it can kill us one day? This is going to be the thing that takes over the world. We need funding. Well, that's happening for sure. That's where the money's going. People say, hey, I bubble, but I don't know, man. I've seen bubbles before. I think this is going to be around a while. I agree with that. Like we don't go back from here. Right. Yeah, I mean, you can't take it away from us now. I can't figure it out. Yeah. It seems like there's intentional humorism, but it also seems like it could be valid. I had never considered that. That's interesting, intentional humorism, but I guess it does make it kind of sexy. This is so powerful. It's going to take all your jobs. It's going to run the world. And by the way, we have the best one. By the way, what do you think happened 60 seconds after your daughter, like physiologically or spiritually? When I have consciousness experts on, I always ask the question, what happens when I die? Not the first 60 seconds, but I want to know, do they believe in a reincarnation? They believe in a life between lives. Like Raymond Moody used to say, I would like to believe that there is that kind of waiting room that for 60 seconds, maybe you're floating over your body. Maybe you've got a life for you. Maybe someone's ever greet you and there's a light. I kind of want to believe that. I don't know. A lot of belief is just hopeful, isn't it? Because what makes a lot of sense is you died and everything is, it's like it was before you were born. Like, do you remember that? How was that for you? You'd be fine. It was fine, though. That makes a lot of sense. But it's hard for people to think about life going on without you. We don't like that. I don't like that. Does that seem most likely to you? That's nothingness. That seems mostly logical to me. Yes, but that's not what I believe though. What do you believe? I believe in that everything I just said, the waiting room, the waiting room, the life of the waiting room. Probably, I don't know if you know Raymond Moody's work, but other people have written about life between lives, but where the soul goes and you've got soul mentors and your soul group and you decide together, I'm going to reincarnate as this type of person to learn these lessons to bring back to the source. That'll kind of stuff. It sounds like a worshiping crystals or something. I'm not really like that. I kind of really believe it, but I don't know. I don't know if I'm just talking myself into it, especially when you're middle age, like me, you think about death a lot because it's always happening. When you're in your 20s, you're always going to weddings, when you're in your 40s and 50s, you go to funerals and then your parents are dying, your grandparents are long gone and friends, I have friends at high school are gone. So it's around you a lot. So you start thinking about, it's pretty dark, but then I think of older people who seem to be very much at peace with where they are. My mom seems pretty cool that my stepfather just passed away just weeks ago, and she said it's mostly just weird that he's gone. He's in my life for almost 50 years, and he seemed okay. I mean, he was pretty old, so Bill knew that any day he woke up was could be his last, and eventually it was. So I hope I get to that point. I need to get past this, the anxiety and get to the, to where you're just comfortable, like it's fine. I had my turn, someone else, someone else to shop. Where do you think we go? Oh, what's the reassurance? That's fair. Are you religious? Okay, same. That's a, it's a tough one. I mean, it's the toughest one, but I just, I just have never thought it mattered. Wow, nihilism? I don't think it's useful to think about, but I think it's useful to try to align with the highest good, because I think people usually have a pretty good gauge of it, despite having to align with a specific religion. Karma seems to be a real concept. It does. I can on it. Coincidences seem to be not just logically timed in my life. Something there, but those accumulate over time, it becomes really strange. It really does. I like to at least act like everything is trying to teach me a lesson. Good. So that's how your theory is suggesting about the reincarnations, and you're here to learn this thing that seems accurate to me. But yeah, I don't know. I think I'm pretty at peace with the concept of death, and I don't know why. There's never really been a concern of mine. You know, I just feel like it'll be all right. It's going to be all right. You're going to be fine. You're not going to care one way or the other. I guess I won't really have the choice. Yeah. No. I'm more afraid of being old and sick than being gone. If anything, I have a weird curiosity about, I wonder what happens. I wonder if Dazie to be there. Be cool. A mutual friend of ours told me that your mother passed. No, I'm not sure. Mom is still here. Dad died a few years back by stepfather bill just passed very recently. I guess what's one thing you want people to know about him? I talk about how my biological dad, my dad, it's not like we were estranged. My dad and I were close. He taught me how to be a man. My dad was a man. He's a cop. He was his dad or he was a man. He taught me about women, about cars, about guy stuff. A lot of lessons how to be a man. Bill taught me how to be a good man. Bill taught me about kindness, about compassion. Dad was not really into kindness and compassion. I mean, he was. But he was a kind of a dark side. You know, an old cop from New York, from MYPD. He's got opinions where Bill was very open-minded. And it's kind of why my mom left him is because she wanted to be with someone more peaceful. And Bill was very peaceful. I'm just such a much better person for having him around. I really am really very lucky because I really had two dads. I had a tough guy dad, which is useful. And then I had Bill wasn't, you know, I don't say he was a pussy. He wasn't. But it was just kindness. Where my dad was not great to my mom. And I saw that before the divorce. Bill worshipped my mother through the grounds she walked on, which is worshipped her. So when people like are you angry, that about the divorce, how could it be that? This guy. He loves her. My dad was kind of tossed around a little bit. Son, not awesome. That's not a lesson to learn. You don't put your hands on people. You treat women like this. It's one thing your mom taught you. You know, I'm a lot like her. So I guess the biggest lesson for mom would be be think about your future self and be kind to future self with all things like with with money. Don't put yourself in debt because your future self is going to hate you for that. You know, or put yourself in a bad relationship. It's like your future self is going to be annoyed. So it's always about what you do now really has an impact on what's happens to you later. So so now choices now are important. But with that, there's an anxiety. You know, so I have that kind of anxiety. Like I'm always thinking about all these who drive from my wife nuts. What's plan B? What if that doesn't work out? We'll be here. We'll be 70 years old. I'm always doing that where she's like, just go to the floor man. You know, but those are good lessons from mom. You know, your credit score is important. Is it? Well, it is. You know, is it important in your 20s that really when you're 40? Yeah, it is. You know, a 625 goes not that useful. Um, relationships, you know, is that someone you want to have in your life? Probably not. Or is that someone you do want to have in your life? That mentor you should stay in touch with them. So that would probably be the lesson. Do you trust your gut? I trust my gut. Real? Yeah, I trust my instinct. That's fascinating because you seem to have a very analytical mind. I do. I really break down. But I can. But I can. My wheels can turn so much that I can start to second guess my gut. I think that's something I struggle with. You have to see only way to do this. Is the wheels got to be very quick? Very quick. How is going? Uh, AJ, you grew up listening to Art Bell on your dad's overnight radio. Uh, when you were a kid, he was the guy who told Americans the stories. No one else would touch. Now that's you except six million people are listening. And the kids listening are being raised in a world filled with more information, more stories, more lives than ever before. What's one question you should ask yourself about a story before you believe it? Who does the benefit ask yourself who it benefits? You know, and I be manipulated. Trust your gut. Um, yeah, you we talked about chase use and you know, how good chase is it spotting propaganda and his system as I covered his system as a full episode? Uh, so yeah, I would be you're always being manipulated by somebody for you're always being used. So just try to find out why is it's kind of a theme of the show is we are being used and abused. Here's why. So don't do that. This is why they're lying to you. What's a question that you don't know the answer to? All of these, what happens after we die? Why are we here? Why do we become sentient? What's is their life on other planet? Everything. I don't know. I don't know anything. What's the one you're most curious about? I'm curious about death. I'm curious about that. Like I'd like to have a peek in that other world more than I'd like to know if there's aliens. That's the that's the biggest question of all. Like what are we even doing here? What is this is very strange? Last question here. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? Just be good to people for no reason. I try to do that because it always pays double. You know, it always does. You know, you saw they gurning and we were talking about this before we came in about how we just do favors for people. And I never you never have to thank me. I got you whatever you need. You know, you started a business. I said, give me some product. I'll push it on the show. I said, "Oh, you don't have to do that." I said, "Cool, that might." Because it's nothing. There's nothing. Just help people out. And I never ask for a thank you to just do the thing. Because it always comes back. It always pays double. Yeah, I would say that. That's been a big one. That's shaped to my. I don't know. Since I graduated high school, she's been like not even expecting anything. It's like you you'll do 10 nice things in one mind. Really pay off in a random way. But you're not doing it for that. You're just doing that for your own self. I feel like it feels good. Yeah. But I don't know if that's something, I feel like it's something I had to be taught. Or some people just naturally kind of empathetic. I wasn't really able to. like that, where kind of dad was. Just, that's a good person, just do a thing. You don't need to anything in return 'cause it always comes back. So if I'm in a jam, I have numbers to call, you know? So you just wanna be that guy, did you just do stuff? Especially if you have a platform like you do. So if someone connects with me and says, "My kid's a big fan of the show," the first thing that says, "What's your kid's name?" You give the address, we're gonna send you a gift package. That costs me money to do that, but I don't care. 'Cause that means so much to that person. And you never know. You know, what kind of answer you influence you could have. So I take it very seriously about having an audience and just doing what I can. - Well everyone, this has been your guest, AJ Chen Tyle. Instead of where can people find you? What episode do you think people would be most interested in based on the conversation we've had most for? Probably the Halloween episode is a fun one. What crop circles? Beautiful. Guys, check out the Halloween episode on the Y-Files, YouTube Spotify, anywhere else you're up. - You'll find me. - Patreon as well. Awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming on, brother. Guys, this is the jacking up podcast. So yeah. - Thanks Jack. - I just love it. - That was so much fun.