‘Air Force One’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

The rewatchables brought to you by the ringer podcast network. We find the big picture with Sean Fennancy. Yes, sir, you could find. What are you working on? I only podcast for model. The watch was CR Air Force one is on Netflix all month. And thank God, because it's the best and it's coming up next. Air Force one has been hijacked and only President Harrison Ford can save the day. I'm trying to think of a scenario. I wouldn't have green like this as a studio president. Why can't we just make these movies right now? Why is this not exist right now? There was like, oh, we ran out of forms of transportation to do die hard on it. I was like, disagree. Get a life raft. Just run them back. The bus had more mileage on it. My daughter asked me what which one we're doing, because sometimes she likes to watch ahead of time. Very rarely does she actually want to see the movie. So I was like, Air Force one. She's like, what's that? It's like, wow, Harrison Ford's a president. Playing gets hijacked. It's like, that sounds amazing. I was like, yeah, came up 29 years ago. I don't know. It's like, so what happened? We just make these for streamers now with cheaper casts and I cast CGI. This is considered like the end of this run, right? That this is like a 10 year period of these kinds of movies. But it's the ultimate elevator pitch, right? Harrison Ford is the president. Air Force one has been hijacked. He has to get control of the plane directed by Wolfie Peterson, Wolf Pete. Yeah. Two Wolf Peterson movies on this show before. Right. Both of them just you guys. Is that why the fire and perfect storm? That's right. We did do perfect storm. No, it was it was a, it was a real perfect storm. Just you guys. You guys like Bobby doing me. We're going to make a run at it. Oh, I have a whole section for you to cook with Wolf Pete. Great love. Love Wolfie. I had the whole complete list of diehard inspired thrillers bus speed boat. Under siege and speed two and speed two. Yeah, boarding school. Oh, soldiers. Hockey games, sudden death. Alcatraz, Thorock, airport die hard to. I think we've done all of these so far that I've said mountain cliffhanger. Prison plane, Conair came out this same summer. Airplane, passenger 57. And technically, I guess this would be the, this was presidential airplanes. That would be the difference. I don't know what was left. What could we have done here? Spaceship. Well, they did. They did taking a poem. One, two, three, the remake after this, right? That's the Tony Scott one unstoppable, unstoppable. Oh, the train that we've also done for rewatchables with Tarantino. I don't consider that a diehard. I guess there's no real villain, right? Yeah. They just need to slow the train. It's just a dumbass who plays the dumbass and the other guy, who's the other guy? Yeah, the other guy who lets the train off the tracks. This is like eating a hoagie and they said, could they, could they, like, like the rewatchable subclass? Yeah, like we're doing the rewatchables and terrorists. Oh, yeah. Oh, and they just shoot the hell. Yeah, diehard on pod, die pod on a hard. Yeah. I don't know, but what's left? But then at the end of the podcast, you have to upload your own podcasts because everybody else has been killed for the second, but he's like holding a gun. Oh, God. I said to Amazon. No, no, no, you would apex mountain is exploited. I mean, helicopter, we never really got a helicopter. That it's not big enough. Yeah. Yeah. Like how big of it. I think that we probably could do billionaire super yacht at this point. That's come back around. That's good idea. I think. Oh, that's interesting. So like a Saint Parts in December. Yeah. All the, all the CEOs are there. And there's like a terrorist. Yeah, but like Rihanna is also on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brace trying to get laid. Brace playing himself. KB. These guys have taken the boat by force. This is your cue. This is your cue man. This boat's going down. KB. KB. I don't know what they're teaching terrorists in college. They're not reading the defense. He's quarterback. Don't have a swim anymore. KB. I can swim. This sounds great. I'm pretty glad it is right now. Super boat. Let's do it. Somebody's playing Bezos. Somebody's playing David Geffen. That sounds good. And that's right. And then they would have to get like a like a steward, like somebody working in the like bottom of the boat to help them. And then they realize that it's Torrello and this, this is all disparity. Torrello. He was there as visiting somebody. Oh, but there is, I mean, there is like a crop of guys like Michael B. Jordan, Austin Butler, like these guys, they could be making these movies right now, but they don't really make these movies now. They started to do it again in the 2010s with those White House down type of movies. And they tried to do the 2.0 version of this. Yeah. I love the 1.0. And then those kind of morphed into environmental disaster. Like the rock has to save his wife during the earthquake. Yeah. Sandra. Sandra. Tomorrow kind of thing. Yeah. Skyscrapers is a source subject with me because I don't, that one in St. Andreas, one of those two should have been good. You know, I know for two. Yeah. Good idea. Should have been good. Yeah. Good ideas. Right ideas. I even liked in St. Andreas. I liked the cast. Karla Gagina. Yeah. And Alexandra D'Daria. I mean, the greatest mother daughter. Combo ever. It's sitting there for somebody to kind of do it. It's for like an actor who's like, I'm not quite doing this. And I'm not quite doing that. It's like, maybe we should just like make a die hard movie. Who do you want to do it? Well, so who would have been if we made Air Force 1 in 2026? Who's the president? You kind of think about how old he was, right? Matt Damon. It's probably in that range. I laid down 40s early 50s. I had this written down. I was like, who are the three actors old men close in Harrison Ford? I said, Matt Damon, Sam Rockwell and Kate Blanchett. Rockwell is the terrorist. It's pretty good. I can't. This is rockwell be doing Russian. Kate Blanchett is a little high class. I guess gun close close to. That's the thing with this movie. It's like, fine, fine, close and scary old man. He's like, eight octagonals. Gun close is, well, we'll talk about her later, but she's really taken it seriously. Yes. Oh, she cooks in this movie. Yeah. She's really, really acting. Yeah. She's like person to tears at once. Yeah. Harrison Ford was paid 20 million. And this is the tail end of the run right here. Yes. We had Clearing Presidator 94, Sabrina 95, Devil's own 97. The year after his six days and seven nights, Winnie and Hedge comes out. She's dating on the generous, like right before the movie comes out, sinks the movie somehow. Everybody, I didn't even know why that sunk the movie, but it did. And that was kind of the end of that era. The 80s, 90s with him. My Tom Planty familiarity is like fleeting, but if I remember correctly, so picture games and Clearing Presidant, everybody's like, these movies are, these movies rule. And then I think Jack Ryan becomes president in those books at some point. He does, but I don't know if we ever got the movie where he does. No, I'm saying this is it. Like essentially like a super fantasia version of Jack Ryan guy used to be a helicopter pilot. Everybody loves him. He rocks. And then he saves the day. Yeah. What do they say is the Medal of Honor Vietnam War bit. Yeah. He knows how to fight. Yeah. It's good. You have see fight the first fight scene. Dean Stockwell is like, but we can't be sure he's not dead. In which case I'm president. That would be CR in the diehard movie at the ringer office. He'd be like, we don't know if they might be telling him to say this. Would you be consulting the ringer constitution? Who would be the filibaker hall in the office of that fight? Yeah. That's somebody some Swedish guy comes in talking about article 25 Joel Anderson gets to decide. What do we think of him as the president of this of the actual like him being the president? Because I thought his speech in the beginning is really good. Pretty credible. Yeah. I was I think you know, we were recording this the day after election day. So I couldn't help but compare him a little bit to some of the folks on screen last night. I do think he lacked a little energy in his speech, but I guess he was sort of like the Steve McQueen of presidents. He was like, you're a turnt to be afraid. You know, like blesses more kind of vibe. Yeah. I think he's like kind of purposefully very reserved and taciturn. I think there's like a way to read the movie that's like, he's a traumatized PTSD Vietnam veteran like that. That is a component of the character that like they don't spend a lot of time talking about McCain kind of a little bit where and you can like if I love I love watching him fight in this movie because he always and in any movie, he always looks like a little surprised by what he's just done. Yeah. And like a little horrified by what he's true in Indiana Jones movies too. But that's like kind of his fight style. But in this movie, I was like, well, this is a guy who's being re-traumatized by the war. You know, he's like, he's back in action. First blood. It's truly. I've seen Harrison Ford fight enough movies that I feel like I could take him. I mean, I definitely could now because he's like 85. He's got two moves. He does the lunge forward where he's like, you just got to move to the side. Sure. Body blow. And then he really only has the right hook. He doesn't have a lot of moves. I see. And this one, he tries to do the comfort behind strangle move and the guy from towards your signature move. Well, I would know he was going to go for the lunch. I would step aside. Yeah. Just nail him with like a liver punch. And then you get him down and then raise his edge and then he's out. Yeah. I think you could take him. I mean, Bangkok could take him out in five seconds. Yeah. The way I'm cooking right now, absolutely. Yeah. There's no question. Ford. would grind you to dust, I think. - I think with this Ford, I think it'd take things. - He was actually like a carpenter and like did his own stunts for a long time. - Yeah, I'm not saying I could dig 80s Ford, but I think by 97, I think I could dig 80s. - So you're saying on the set of shrinking, you've got Ford. - Absolutely, destroy Ford. - You should look down the barrel, barrel the camera and call him out right now. I want you in the ring. - We're the weirdest online fight ever. - Leave me on large mind. (laughing) I'll bust your ass, Indiana. - He does throw a mean kick in this movie to that guy that he gets on the ground though. That's a big time. That's like a Kurt Henning, Mr. Perfect kind of kick. - I mean, he did lose to the one-hour man. That's the worst loss in this movie. - Tough resume. - It's tough. - 'Cause ass kicked, guy, one-hour. - That guy was just a doctor though. - Yeah, fair. Best movie president's ever, maybe the top four all happened in five years 'cause we have Kevin Klein and Dave. - Number one. - Michael Douglas is American president. We have Bill Paulman in Independence Day and then Harrison Ford in our Air Force One. And that might be the four in some order. - Do you think that that's all coming out of Clinton? - I wanted to talk about that 'cause I think it's not just Clinton and the vibes of America during the stretch, but also two decades after Watergate might have distrust with the, you know, everything that went on in the '70s and just the vibes were better. And we kind of believed in the presidency, which is ironic, especially this week 'cause we're, you know, taped in the podcast, but this really was like the most feel good time with the presidency is like a movie gimmick. - Yeah, I mean, we are entrenched in some Clinton scandal when the movie comes out. - When the movie comes out, the Lewinsky thing, I think kicks up either right around when this movie comes out, and then it starts to shift. - A Lewinsky scandal, we've taken the Marshall presidency to another level. - I had it in secret. - It's not what it meant. - It's not the point. - Yeah, the whole time, everybody's like, you're disgusting for a word. - Yeah, I like, I also like Jeff Bridges in the contender. I feel like he's a really good one. - That's a great one. - He's a really good one. So that's 2000, that's like three years later. - And speaking of Clinton, I feel like Travolta in primary colors is a really interesting read on like what the presidency is and like what that job is, but this guy is just, he's like a guy you want to believe in. That's how they frame him. - Yeah, you know, part of it moved to TV in the 2002 'cause Hayes Barrett was great in '24. - Yeah. - He's on my short list and then-- - Shien. - My shien. - Which I think he kind of took the mantle as a release. - I think most people would say he's the number one, right? - Yeah, if you're allowing TV. I think for movies, my favorite's always gonna be Dave. But I sort of don't think Dave could have pulled off what Harrison Ford does in their first one. - I've always been a fan of the unseen president in Armageddon, who's just like, I just gotta level with you. We're gonna get it by an asteroid. But this definitely was the peak of us loving our presidents, I think, and I think when we hit the 21st century, Craig's generation. - We've had some good ones. So, yeah. - Who were your feet to rank 'em, top three? 21st century. - The last four years? - The guy right now, he's the number one. - He's the one or three. - He's both. - Okay. - So James Marshall body count, four deaths, single hand, and they're responsible, and CTA, 'cause there's the one guy he knocks out. Is that guy get back up, or maybe he does? - The one he knocks out for Michigan Notre Dame is he does get back up. - Yeah, he gets up in that first guy shoot, so four. But I was trying to think of like, 'cause, you know, it's election week. So this is only his first term. What kind of election landslide is it for him second term, after he pulls this off? - Oh, and when the stories come out that James Marshall just fucked up a bunch of Russian nationals. 27 people on parachutes off the point. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Putting up Sedona. - Yeah. - See, when like 89% of the election. - It actually are in 36. It's like the most insane. - He doesn't even have to talk. Like, he could just be like, walk out. - Truly. - That I was thinking there would be some sort of backlash and there would be attack ads about how Melanie died. They counted to 10, and the president just stood there and let her die. - Yeah. - This is for Melanie. - Probably. - Trying to backwash him, the Dean Stockwall Secretary of Defense Guy, making like crazy. - The swift boating of James Marshall. - What happened when he made you basically at the end of that, at this movie? What was James Marshall doing? - You could be like, James Marshall spent all this time with Secret Service Agent Gibbs, and he never knew that he was a traitor to this country. - He wasn't in on it. His judgment is called into question. - I do think they probably would. That would probably be the attack. - Yeah. - What mistakes did James Marshall make, and then there would be the counter of, he was saving everyone on the plane from other fuckers, and we would just go back and forth. - He did let a dozen people fly out of the back of that plane without a parachute, just fucked up. (laughing) - That was tough. - I still could say I'd watch those people fly out of there. - Oh, I agree. - I have so many thoughts about that. Anyway, Harrison Ford, I think this is a 7-3 watchables movie. Somehow, some are not in double figures in the end. And then Gary Oldman, as Russian hijacker, I've been cautioned of just a very rich time for me and Gary Oldman right here. - I can't say I love the name though, if I've been cautioned of what I've gone with Boris, think. - I think I would have been too close to Yeltsin at the time though. Like you want to separate. - Oh, interesting. - 'Cause the whole idea I think is that that guy, the Russian president that they're calling on the phone is supposed to be Yeltsin's standard and kind of run down them. - And everybody that kind of liked Yeltsin back then. - I mean, the name is, it should have been Vladimir. He should have been like, Vladi and Baylor. And then we now have Vladimir in Russia. - Vladi caution of. - He ran from here like a whipped up. (laughing) - I think Oldman's great, but he's also over-acting. - He's like a little bit of Sam Jackson time to kill him. (laughing) - He ramps it up, but I think this is about as good of a villain. - I mean, he's just, he's in a very pure zone during the 90s where like he doesn't do anything that he doesn't, he's operating in such extreme waters all the time whether it's Dexter, Interromance, for the sky or state of grace or what have you. - I think he has a case for the greatest movie villain of all time, not this character, just his run. - Vladi work, JFK Dracula, Drexel, Interromance, the professional murder in the first, the fifth element. This is a five-year period of movement. - And then the guy with this face eating off in Hannibal, right? - That's right. - Pretty good, Mason, what's his face? - You Gary Oldman guy? - What does that crack? - Yeah, sure. He's the guy that I feel like always disappears into his role. So I don't really have an opinion of like Gary Oldman, the person because in every movie, he feels so different. - Yeah. - He is the, I think probably Phil Pseymour Hoffman's up there, Puccinos up there, the greatest yelling actors. Like whenever he gets bad news in this movie, he says an unintelligible Russian word that's just like, "Ni!" - It's just so angry. - So I was gonna do this for hot as tape, but I might as well just talk about it. Like, him and Puccino are completely inverted. Like Puccino starts out and is like so naturalistic and quiet and present and intense, but is like very calm and understated. Panic and Edel Park and the first two godfathers. And Oldman comes flying out of a cannon and is like, his move is the, he does the deep breath in. Screams goes, everyone is like, that's his move. And then right around here, they cross paths and Puccino starts doing scentable woman and he and everything and screams for like 10 years. And Oldman moves into Plane Jim Gordon and playing, who's he playing Harry Potter? - He's serious black. - Yeah. - And is like, I'm like basically like a very understated character. - He goes acoustic, very cool, very old man. - Sorry, I'm plugged. - He thinks so they switch bodies. - Yeah, I mean, now slow horses. He did win for Winston Churchill, which is a pretty like loud performance, but you're right though, he's way more quiet now. - And Craig and I out on that performance because it's fat suit. - Oh, right. - Yeah. - Craig's anti-fat suit. - It's like, gain the weight, you know? - Yeah. - You think 68-year-old Gary Oldman should have gained the weight and had a coronary? - Yeah. - Okay. - And it was the dirtiest of doctors. It's the dirtiest. - They called him scary Gary on the production because he was so scary in the scenes, but then he was like, would snap out of it immediately. And Harrison Ford said he was his favorite on-screen nemesis. They loved each other. There's all these stories about what a great time they had together. Kind of an odd couple. - Yeah. - Harrison Ford's like, (sniffles) - Gary. - Yeah. - Travis. - Oldman is just so good at delivering lines of dialogue. I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but just like, we did a Hackman pod this week and it was like, Hackman's the way he chooses to pronounce words and initiate. Oldman has the same thing where when you're listening to him, you were like so locked in on everything his character says. - He's looked like absolute peacock. - Totally. - He will take a live dialogue. It's like, all right, man. And you're just like, oh my God, I so believe Ivan here. - How do we not have him in the Wayne Jenkins category? How do we not have Ivan? - Ivan can go in there now. Yeah, we've been looking to refresh it anyway. - You just gotta go low and then lose your mind. (laughing) - We gotta do this now. It's the weakest link. It's a nitpick. It's a wood sage, the worst. But he does play the lead hijacker. And the strangest thing about this movie is they let these fucking people on the plane. It's just inexplicable. There's obviously some turmoil. They've just captured this general and then they're flying back. And they're like, yeah, there's this Russian TV crew. - They're just gonna have to hear about life inside the White House, yeah. - Did we check them out? Yeah, they're good. - They're thumbprint worked. - Each guy, none of them look like they'd be like just, you know, it's not like the crew from Argo. Thank you. these guys seem nice. Each guy's individually seems like one of the most evil villains you see in a movie. The fucking toy soldiers guys. What are the guys? If he walked in right now, it would be like, oh my god, we're all going to die. Completely. And they're just like, yeah, they're good. No, no, they want 10 minutes with you during the plane. It's fucking crazy. But that's why we love this movie. They're all six three and look like they were raised inside the Kremlin. They're the most people seeming guys of all time. They're sitting down. They're like, can we get any drinks? And they're just like, they're just casing the plane. It's fucking nuts. Yes. This is the, the Air Force one. I would say that this movie is light on details of their procedure to getting on the plane because they're like, they must have, you know, gotten the fingerprints. It's like how? It's 1997. What surgery did they do to redo the fingerprints? And then we don't get a lot of Gibbs's motivation to sell out the entire nation of America. I got a lot of Gibbs thoughts coming later. Glenn Close plays vice president Bennett. She's just approaching this like this, like she's in Amadeus. No question. Yeah. I don't think she knows it's an action movie. I think she thinks this is a really important possible Oscar winner. That's why she's so great. It's because she treats every part like this. So why these movies work? These movies work because the people in them, like Alan Rickman believes he's doing what he's doing and die hard. Like, I don't remember what the name of the movie was, but she was in that the horror movie on Netflix a couple of years ago. Was it Lee Daniels? Did Lee Daniels direct a horror movie a couple of years ago? And she's the only white woman in the movie. The deliverance? The deliverance. And it's about a black family. And she is treating it like it's the godfather. She is so fucking committed to this part. It's the most I encourage people to seek out clips of her talking because it's absurd. But she just always gives it a thousand percent. With that said, it would have been more fun if she played her, like the fatal traction. And had frizzy hair. It was just turning the light on and off. And just it was like the first lady who's gone crazy. You can understand that why she so loyal to him though, because he made her the first female vice president. That was a big step. American history. Broken hurt feelings in that cabinet office, that cabinet room. That's right. Dean Stockhol. That was a little ahead of its time in 1997 that we would have a female vice president trying to think of anyone that had anyone even run before who's a female. Yeah, Geraldine Farrow. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Good Monday. We also, this is kind of a rewatchables that guy all start team. Oh my god. They didn't know what they had. Because Macy's that that guy at this point, he becomes way Macy. Stockwell's Hall of Fame that guy. I think he's Dean Stockwell. You're gonna proc now. No lines of this movie doesn't say anything incredible performance. Just smoldering. When WP calls proc now, it's just it's just a tell me where to work. No, they're on a text chain that is just DOS boot. With like three other DOS boot guys. Yeah, do text. He's like, "Yo, jerky." I do love that reunion though. There's nothing cool about that. Wendy Crucine, their mom from the Goodson, plays the first lady. Andrew Divoff is Boris. He's the villain in Toy Soldiers. What are my favorite rewatchables, Kyle Britt and I've ever done. Cherry in another 48 hours. Yeah. Zander Berkeley, aka Ralph. Go ahead. We'll do it now, later. You can not watch my television Ralph. Ralph's got a big part in this and then Paul Guilfoil, who we just talked about in LA confidential big part in Spotlight. He's definitely a that guy. We know him as Paul Guilfoil, but he's a that guy. I think he's a world class that guy. World class. Yeah. Higher level. There's a lot of like a lot of guy. I mean, J.A. Pearson is the judge and a few good men. Jamie Preston. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then our guy, Phil Baker Hall. One just like one and a half scenes for five center hall. He found the one and a half scenes of 37 movies from 1995 to 2000. It feels like so good. So they're just all over the place. Then WP in the line of fire outbreak, Air Force one, perfect storm and Troy, 11 year span. Pretty great. And then that was it. What's your favorite of those five this one? Probably in the line of fire. I'll be you. I think this is the most entertaining. I think in the line of fire is probably the best movie because he kind of like, and this is in this movie, he just got real lazy and just went real CGI towards the end. Yeah. If there's one issue with Troy, if there's one real negative about those last couple of movies, it says there's a huge reliance on CGI. And that's kind of a drag because he's so good at staging action. I mean, the action scenes inside the cabin of the plane in this movie are holy shit. Like the way that he blocks and you know exactly where you are in the cabin at any time. It's amazing. I'm setting it up so that like when the action takes place, you understand it. It's so good, but I look at how they're used to there's like the fridge that has the milk and the OJ and it's and they spend they establish it so you know where you are in the plane. They come back to it like three other times. It's like, oh, I get over in this part now. Yeah, it's I mean, because you know, Dost Boat is just all in the submarines. It's the same thing. You kind of need to know where you are inside the boat in any given time. So he's so good in those confined spaces. So it's kind of a drag when the movie is like, I know exploding jets are everywhere, but he's like, you think about those scenes like the elevator fight in line of fire or like the rooftop chase where he just like really gets, he really understands just like, oh, these guys, they hear the limits of what these guys can do, but I mean, I exploit all of it. How would you describe Wolf Pete in one second and one sentence as a director? Probably the ultimate claustrophobia action filmmaker. We're just like, you always feel like something is like right around the corner in all the movies that he makes, which is why he's such a weird choice for a movie like Troy, which I'm not a huge fan of. I don't like it either because it's like, that's like open the open terrain in the open world, but like trapped on a boat on the perfect storm. Like he really is like good in those tight spaces. I suck Troy with Adam Kuro at the main Chinese theater. He's like, here's the thing about Brad Pitt. It's fucking ripped. That is not an overnight body. You were putting in three, four months. Oh, I thought he was suggesting it was, he was juicing. Okay. He probably did. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, uh, cinematography. You're a guy. Ballhouse. Yeah. Yeah. He's back. Guys, you shot fucking good fellas. You're a guy. He made Air Force One. It's amazing. There are a couple of shots. We'll do it when we get to Gordo where you're just like, you're cooking way harder than you need to for Air Force One. This movie's gonna make $300 million. Take a, take a breath. Have a, have a potato chip. We, we bag on like the Europeans as our movie stars now. But this is kind of an amazing collection of European people and Australians, like Wolfgang and, and, and ballhouse in Yurgenprok now, obviously all German. Oldman is British. And then Richard Francis Bruce, who is the editor of the movie is Australian and was like Peter Wears editor. And uh, he got nominated for Academy War for Best Editing for this movie. And the other four nominees were the best picture nominees. And then Air Force One. That's amazing. That is funny. The Oscars and Air Force One. Yeah. But like, I bet if you were an editor and you were watching this, you were like, Richard was cooking here totally. Yeah. Best sound also nominated. Titanic beat them both times. Craig's guy, Jerry Goldsmith, did the, uh, composing, did the soundtrack. My guy. Yeah. We've done Jerry in a few movies. Okay. Really come in like Edwin Diaz to fix this thing because Randy Newman had done the score first. And then they're like, this doesn't work. Overpaid an injured. What's like Edwin Diaz. I had that for what stage the best. Randy Newman had the first crack at the score. And it was so bad that they had to scramble and save Jerry Goldsmith's available. Weird choice. I've, I've killed Randy Newman on previous rewatchables episodes. I've never understood it. I can't imagine his Air Force One score. Do you think he had like a theme song? Like that's my fight. I was going to make that joke. That's your Randy Newman. Just flying here on Air Force Wood. Uh, I love Randy Newman. So I'm not going to blast him in the rear mirror. Randy Newman, you can simultaneously have a good run and then become a complete self parody in the same career. Well, I think it happened with him. He's coming right off of Toy Story. Yeah. And you've got a friend in me, which is a huge thing. And I highly doubt there was a theme song. We don't know. I'm just saying we don't know. We don't know. That's true. We don't know. He's got a present me. Can you imagine? He's playing the CD. Just like really goofy ragtime is playing. Well, Gary Holman is fucking shooting people in that. Both eggs played the CD of the tracks. Newman. What the fuck is this? Get me Jay Goldsmith. Get you. Now 85 million dollar budget. It made $315 million. I think it was fifth and 1997. Ebert gave it two and a half stars to your point. Half star short, for my opinion. I remember when this came out, I think I was living in Boston by this time. Yeah, but I got you probably in the same theater. But I remember like talking to my my parents that like around when this came out, and it was like such a given. It was like, oh, yeah, we're going to go see Harrison for be the president on a hostage plane. Definitely. That's what Patriot Games and Quinn and President Andrew was too. So given you were going. This came out on the weekend of my 15th birthday. And this is what I did for my 15th birthday. It was going to see this movie. It was amazing. We had the best time. Iberts at Harrison Ford is one of the most likable and convincing movie stars and he almost pulls off the impossible and Air Force one I don't mean he saves the day. I mean he almost saves the movie Here's a good example of how star power can breathe new life into old cliches and Air Force one is rich with cliches That's a it's like a mild fuck you Raj on that. I think it's take it easy Raj. Yeah, that's like okay We get it. It's a die hard movie, but I don't feel like there's a lot of cliches in this There's things in this movie I've never seen before. I think mostly what doesn't work about it is just that there's kind of a junkiness to some of the action Big action set pieces, but the movie itself. Yeah, considering what it is like, I don't know. Yeah, it feels pretty solid It's two hours. It flies. There's it doesn't drag It's way overqualified actors all over the place fight stuff is good. I don't know Three stars for me for you or for Raj. No for me. I would have gone three at a five or four at a four Okay, this is a three star action movie. This is a three Futures like a three-and-a-half that's a four Speeds a three speeds a four. Yeah, this is a three. Yeah, the his the kicker is really mean in this piece He's like I saw a movie the other day about a woman in Paris who lost her cat and know what it was more exciting than this At least when the cat got up off the roof it knew to look and knew enough to look down Which is a jab about how the people don't look down when they're looking out the back of the parachute jump I did have that in the pics I'd be a lot more scared in that ramp. Yeah Again CGI problem. We'll take a break and come back with rewatchable scenes This episode is brought to you by Zippercruder Have you ever watched somebody do a job and go you know what? 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It's like it's happened a mission impossible But those are American soldiers taking a radic right right right because they later on he's like I Got screwed over by Petroff, you know back at Craig do you think you can do that? Parachute in parachuting down with the gun. I would take a lot of training But maybe you're not taking it off the table That that answer that was yes, I think you could do that. I think with love. I've never gone skydiving So I don't know. I don't know how to handle being up that high And it's you've never used the parachute before Maybe she's like here's the handle and then this is your safety handle. It was so quick. He's like got it good Safety we're jumping at the absolute red line of what the human body can tolerate in terms of altitude The funniest shot in the movie is that people happily flying It's like where are they landing like the world Germany? I have nobody together. I wrote down the cast me and see The fact machine lady looks like she's on the bikes in E.T. She's So I don't know that she was best served by the material in this so So parachute guys, that's a fun little old-school Way to good way to start to win with like no preliminary stuff. Let's just go. Let's just kill some people Next one. I have his Gibbs killing three guys and old been taking over the the plane and we find out about the emergency pod It's funny that it was called the emergency pod. Yeah, did this movie create the emergency pod? I think we all know you did bill. I thought I created it But I think this movie created probably it's an emergency pod. Inceptive it. Yeah, so this would have been the Kyrie Irving memorial Emergency pod. I do remember that being a thing even in 1997 They're like there's no escape pod on Air Force one like people will actively like live nit picking the movie Yeah, and Clinton of course confirmed that there wasn't so And we had one and escape from New York, which is what they wanted to think. Oh Why would they trick us into thinking that to not hijack the plane? Yeah, Gibbs takes over the Armory that I guess they have on Air Force one And I think I've forgotten the amount of machine gun fire this movie a little bit. Yeah It's never really addressed is to like whether or not like the fuselage would get pierced in the entire plane with deep Pressurized if you had like a prolonged gun battle. Well, it's it's I guess telling us that the inside of the plane is bulletproof Yes, I think I think that's right sure, which we which is why would anybody make the inside of Air Force one bulletproof? I guess in case of this kind of situation, but in general so the entire plane is bulletproof It's a fucking big plane. Yeah, it's a pretty big nit pick the President gets away People are just getting shot left and right the plane is landing And then uh, they're basically like you're gonna pull he shoots the pilots It's always I always enjoy when the pilots get shot in these action films for some reason. It's really like Really aggressive the second pilot can be a lot of confidence. He gets shot like right under his shoulder Yeah, he's done with his tough tough tough Yeah It's Tommy John or something. Yeah, but that it's it is aggressive when they do that because you better have somebody come in there But they have the guy come in who's doing the Yeah, he's just making that face for sure. It's definitely ending. Yeah, twice. Yeah But that's a fun scene. Uh, I always like the They open the pod and and the presence and in there And then they tell the control room conference room The control pod was empty That means he's on the plane. Good stuff Press kills this first guy Good UFC fight talked about earlier Oldman kills the national security advisor. I have his scene with the old heart partner death. Yeah, let me talk to him That's always good when it's a roomful of people and the guys like I love what that guy says to where he's like you're talking to the vice president She's like the queen of England that that whole speech is really funny where he thinks he's appealing to him Like a run here. Well, I'll talk about this later. Keep going. We'll see what it leads to oldman talking to the 12-year-old daughter Good little back and forth You're nothing like my father The press My favorite part of that scene is when he's just like tell that to answer me and she's like I'm telling you he's gold Every time you'll be in this movie. The who won the movie is gonna be really interesting for this The press when he went when toy soldiers guy gets them and he's walking through the plane But the cell phone's on he's basically telling them the fuck with the plane. Yes, I enjoy that part Melanie dies. Yeah, it's off screen This scene kills me though. It's really funny because First of all, there's I have seven nitpicks. Okay It's your daughter Great great. Let's let's talk At no point does the mom cover her eyes shield her anything the daughter is just like it's like she's at the movies He's a learning experience for you Out of grab my kid she does do that when the NSA director is killed she does kind of grab her and try to shield her But not I'm just doing that every time with my 12-year-old Um, we don't see the death There's kind of no but yeah, I feel like blood would be all over Gary oldman What why our wife and daughter on the Why are they in Moscow? Why did they go on this? Like why is a 12-year-old daughter in Moscow for a dinner? I think we're supposed to imagine at a time of great social unrest No, but I think we're supposed to imagine that like American Russian relations are at an all-time high But Kazakhstan is not like there's insurgent forces. Yeah, but you bring your daughter to Moscow for a dinner look Marshall's a risk taker man. He's a gambler. This is a different time right like this is part of the Part of the story of the movie and in the podcast, which is like post-2000 you could never make this movie You could never shoot in Moscow, but still like bringing I would you brought your 12-year-old to Moscow? Absolute absurd that she's on this trip. Yeah, and it's debatable whether the wife should have been on it Yeah, so Melanie dies and they go wide shot near the end of the two guys just carry her out. Yeah Which kills me for some reason I think I must have laughed in the theater 12 times during this movie I'm sure you read this though, but that like the the woman that she's playing in the movie that that woman actually like guided them through the plane Yeah, they had a hard time shooting this scene because they were thinking of killing this woman who is very kind to them on our force The fueling parachute sequence when they're fueling the plane and then They realize they can get everybody at the back. Incredible. Yeah, amazing. I don't know how realistic it was Uh, there's a lot that is not realistic. Yeah, that is that is my flex name one thing That's unrealistic I mean like we could start with I don't think that there are are automatic weapons on Air Force One in the north of there ever been. So the idea that there would be like five M16s on the plane that aren't on a secret service agent. Um, and then I don't think people who've never had any skydiving experience could could handle jumping out of the 47. There's a lot of reasons why this movie is rewatchable. This five minute sequence is one of the most ludicrous things in a movie that's actually good. You know, none of them are scared. Nobody's like, I don't want to go. They're just like, Oh, yeah. All right. So I pull the one. The whole movie is checker brain at the door. The minute you start trying to untangle everything in it, you won't have any fun. It's impossible. Also, so they're jumping at 15,000 feet, which is pretty low, I think. And we never see them again. I don't know where they landed. Are they? Did they land in the water? Every time you ever watch, like, in a World War II movie, like the guys are always like left and right, breaking their legs or backs, like when they land. So like all these people on their first jump are like, here I am in Berlin. Thank God. I like to think that they all drowned. It's just what you don't think it's ludicrous enough. Ford gets, almost gets off the ramp, right? And he's holding on with one hand and they're going 500 miles an hour. And they're 15. That like, doesn't he just get sucked out at that point? Yes, yes. Gibbs ends up helping them back in. I enjoy that whole part. Gibbs might be the most inexplicable thing. I mean, they just let them go. But Gibbs's decision to, like, the movie's decision to not tell us Gibbs' motivation, where it's like, was he born in Kazakhstan? Was his mom? He had a whole plot in like one version of the script, but they got rid of it that he was like a CIA agent who had been turned during the Cold War and then became a secret service agent, but it was basically like a sleeper for the for the Russians. I guess that does happen. I guess. This is pretty elaborate for him to become the number one bodyman for the president of the United States America. I love I love I love I've enjoyed hearing about it. Well, we needed one like 30-second scene where he's talking Russian. Yes, exactly. Well, the thing they don't do is the scene like, they needed, it would have been amazing if if if like, old men had just been like, and you agent Gibbs, my good friend. Yeah. And then like, it was like everybody in the room knew it. Yeah. That would have been. Press breaks free. Second last scene when he has, when he's, I always enjoy that when they they pick up like a piece of glass, you know, they have it. So he gets out and ends up fighting with old men and then at least the old man on the ramp and they get off my plane. This might be the most ludicrous scene of a ludicrous movie. Yes. He tackles old man on the ramp. Where it's like, if they roll over, they're just both rolling off the plane. He's just like, football tackles them. They have a fight. The sequence before that though, where he's before, right before he cuts himself loose, where he and and where Ivan and the president are debating each other and it's intercut with Rodic being released. Yeah. Is incredible. That's incredible action filmmaking where you can hear the Russians singing and the background and the prison. And you like, old man having this moment of elation and Marshall is down, so depressed, but you don't realize that there's a plot going on. To me, I'm like, this is fucking 90s action movie magic. Oh, yeah. When you make the emergency call from the plane to have Rodic like, stopped, but eventually executed, incredible stuff. People really love their countries back then. The sky just fucking love Russia. Mother Russia. Yeah. Like, listen, here's the songs. They're like, oh, they're hugging like that when the super last scene is the rescue mission, which is really maybe the most absurd part of it with Air Force. Macy gets it. Yeah. They do the thing. I think Cliffhanger had this too with it. They put the rope or whatever that is that I guess is sturdy enough. Latch it in and then it's somehow fine and it can hold two planes and people can go back and forth. A lot of that they did shoot practically though, like the two planes. Is that true? They claimed that they did. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they did. That seems unlikely going back and forth on that wire, but I think they shot something with two planes, with three planes. I believe the shot of Marshall hanging off, hanging off the plane by the by the rope is real. There's a guy hanging off a plane. Okay. I mean, the movie is weird because get off my plane happens at like one hour and 35 minutes. Right. And there's only 20 minutes of the movie. And it's just not as good as that fun at that moment. Yeah. There's a couple of. Well, we can talk about it, but there's a couple of really funny. They set it up. It's going to be a major plot point. Dean Stockwell and his "I Have the Attorney General." We're going to coo you. Seems like it's going to be a huge deal and then it just stops mattering. It's like the 25 people in parachutes who we'd just never see again. Yes. Where they land. They're Vietnam now being saved by John Rambo. The Macy getting shot is great. Yeah. I think the last shot of him, though, I think he should have had the little bill wig on. Yeah. Just a different hand. They come back to him one more time and he just says that. Look, the Liberty 2/4 is now Air Force 1 control room exploding. Yes. I'm always in on a control room exploding at all times. And then Glenn Close, just in case this gets nominated, I do need my scene and does the tears running down, tearing the sheet where she's the only signature that wasn't signed. Even that sheet. Great stuff. He's a history. Yeah. What's your most rewatchable scene? I'll just add one more, which is the President Marshall speech to the Russian delegation, which I think is a cool moment. It sets up the proper dramatic problem for Marshall where he's like immediately at the beginning of the movie, he's like, we will not negotiate under any circumstances. This is exactly what kind of President I am. And then within 12 hours, he is forced to negotiate, but not really. And I love that scene and then the following scene where he's kind of talking about how he makes policy by taking an action in the backseat of that car. So I really like that scene a lot. And then Lewinsky blows him. Just kidding. He's just going very fast. I mean, I think the most exciting scene, I watch this twice. It's okay. You don't have to come to Russian Monica's coming. That may have turned with me. Who was voice for you just doing? That's what Marshall sounds like. He's like, you're turning to be a flier. You're in here. Support us do a lot of that's true. Can you do Bill Clinton doing President James Marshall? Do you have a Bill Clinton in your bag? I don't actually. Okay, I should think about that. None of yelling. I think it's probably the initial siege where Gibbs kills the secret service agents. It's the plan takeover. And then the plan takeover, right? Yes, I 1000% agree. It's that whole, everything, the moment Gibbs starts shooting people, this movie's awesome for 15 minutes. You agree with that, correct? I do want to save space, though, for every time Oldman gives a little mini speech where he starts out talking normally and then gets really loud. Like when he's like, you who murdered 100,000 Iraqis to save a nickel on a gallon of gas, are you going to lecture me about the rules of war? Don't, don't, yeah! It's incredible. You might remind him that I am holding his wife, his daughter, his chief of staff, his national security advisor, his classified papers and his baseball glove. Did he have his baseball glove? It never comes up again. It's true. He was having a catch in Moscow. Yeah. Baseball was back that year. Yeah, it was true. Cal Ripkin. Yeah. Not the last time we talked about sports either. What's the most 1997 thing about this movie? Eber wrote in his review, "Can you really call Washington from Russia on a cell phone while airborne?" That was pretty late 1997. But the answer is the facts machine playing him as a sub-roll machine. This was really the peak of facts machines. Late 90s. You have a facts machine, Craig? Do I have a facts machine? Did you ever have one? Yeah. My parents did growing up. Yeah. You should start cracking these facts. You've got to get eccentric. Facts get coming back. Yeah. Bring it back. You guys didn't answer my facts. I said, "I want you to come over." I remember my stepdad had one in where I used to watch TV when I was in high school. And just that thing would start cranking. I mean, just like, it would for like two minutes, just producing this one piece of paper. I'm so annoying. And now we just have the internet drop box. I guess the only competitor this has in facts, facts machine Olympics would be the firm, right? Oh, yeah. That's a good one. Any other 1997 stuff? Yeah, I mean, Elvis Grayback, quarterbacking the Michigan Wolverines. Oh, Elvis Grayback? Her back, yeah, and just Marshall having to read the instruction manual for the phone is very funny. This is an amazing moment in Michigan Wolverines' history. This is the year of the 12-0 season with Charles Woodson, where he went to the Heisman. It happens right after this movie comes out. So it's kind of beautifully tonight. Yeah. So America is just being pals with Russia. Yeah. I wrote, just shooting a film in Russia because Putin takes over in '99 and then it's over. And Charles, you won the Heisman and nobody could take that away from you. The machine killed your wife at a waiter. What are you supposed to be when you say that? Great. It's that space moment of all time. Wait, you said that. No McDonald's. No McDonald's. No McDonald's. The Espace. He's like Jim Nance. No, he called out Charles Woodson and the crowd. It's like Charles. It's one of the greatest cutaways to somebody in the audience ever to look on his face. Okay. He's like, Floyd Gundalli butter on my ass, lollipops of my mouth award for something I just enjoyed bonus points because Floyd's in this movie. I have this is one of my favorites that doesn't happen often. It's really action movies only. The stealth bad guy who everybody else doesn't know as a bad guy but is mingling in the crowd as a good guy but he's really a bad guy and then we'll have a couple where somebody talks like, hey, Bob, what's going on and they walk away and he's like, evil music and they do that like three times but I really enjoy Gibbs being a sleeper bad guy. Hey, sleep on the job. Yeah. What do you have, Sean? Um, I really hate exposition in movies except when it's incredibly exciting and inspiring. So like when JB Preston comes over and he's like, let's not bury him yet. He could still be alive on that plane. Let's not forget this president is a Medal of Honor winner in Vietnam. If he flew more helicopter rescue missions than any man in my command, he knows how to fight. What? Why is he saying all those things that allowed to the people in the room? They all know that. But we don't know that. If that's CR, he's just like, dude, one Medal of Honor man, he can handle himself. My Marshall, he knows how to fly a stick. Come on. Yeah. That is a good one. What do you have here? Uh, just a Marshall like military film scores from the 90s, like the snare, whether it's Fuganman, this, I feel like Crimson Tide has this where it's just like, and the way it starts out, you're just like, I'll watch the next two hours of this. What stage is the best? I love how this movie just ends. They don't, we don't even have the, you know, montage of CNN the next day or anything. It's like, he made it to the playing class. All right, everybody. See you later. Thank you. Just ends. Yeah. What did you say? What was that movie that ended in less than 30 seconds? You were all excited about? Oh, yeah. This is like a zero second. It was some action movie that you were just like, all movies you should do that. Yeah. Like the credits just ran like the second the bad guy dies. You like, kisses the girl credits. The only thing that's better is if it's a movie where almost all the characters have died. And then they have like a, basically, a montage of them having fun. It's like Predator. Yeah. You can see it in the Predator. Guys, chests have been exploded. And then it's just like Jesse the body of interities, like the weird thing about this is, so they save time at the end. But in the beginning, I guess this could have been for a 1997 thing. They just run the three minutes of opening credits, which now is really noticeable when you watch these old movies. No movie does this now. Yes. Movies just go. They start to put in a couple of sequences in the last three or four credits where you start getting situated in the world. But there is a full 90 seconds where it's just names very strange. No, that would say it's the best for me. William H. Macy and Philip Baker hauled together in a 1997 movie. Yeah. We were just missing Ricky Jay and Robert Ridgeley. And then I have having an American president you actually believe in. That's age the best 1990s Cold War movies, even though the Cold War was over. Yeah. Yeah. We were just everybody loved the Cold War so much. We're like, I just can't let go, man. Let's keep it going. I don't even know. Are there more movies than there are actual examples of Russian separatists? You know, because there were so many like a Russian separatist general has gotten control of a nuclear arsenal. So we're going back in and it's like, I don't even remember if there were that many, like, this was a plan for 12-sided years. Yeah. Yeah. In the 2000s, we get into like a really weird time where it just starts to get a lot more racist. And like the Russians, let's say it's reliable. There's going to be no controversy to be like, these Russians are bad. There are rebel Russians, rebel Kazakhstans. Post al-Qaeda, we really went into a pretty dark area with this. The Russians were super reliable for 20 years here. Yeah. And nobody understands what's happening in Russia in the 90s. So it's like, yeah. Oh, yeah, it's, but it's still sort of, this guy still lives Russia, but Russia doesn't exist anymore. Sure. We had the Nazis for a really long time. The Germans had the belt. Then there's like a long Russian run briefly interruption. Yeah, Japanese are in there for a little bit. Are you saying, are you saying, when you, so villain, not actual like nations that are threatening our freedom? No, I just mean like reliable actually villains got, you've got Germany, Russia, briefly Colombia. Right. Then we kind of swing back around Russian separatists and then it gets super racist. Can you just do that now, but for like the real threats to America? Yeah. It did go forward. What do you have? Where's North Korea? Yes, they're probably feeling a little bit cheapish right now. North Korea. Yeah, I think Kim Jong-un is probably like, "Talafrico, all right, I got to get it on this." He said $100. Yeah, Lee would love, this is awesome. I've said many times that the, I think we talked about this during the Raiders rewatchables. The Nazis are still the apex for villains. Yeah. We're just never going to top them in our lifetime. You just see them. That's quite a dare. That's quite a dare. Well, for movie villains. You just know right away it's the best premise, it worked for 50 years. And even like when we got into the 70s and 80s, we were still able to milk it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Patrick Stewart just died and he's in that movie Green Room and that's like the greatest reveal in Green Room when you realize like, holy shit, this is a neo-Nazi bar. Oh my God. Right. It's still like, it's still so effective. Couple more would say it's the best. John Stockwell negotiating with terrorists again. Dean Stockwell. I'm sorry. Dean Stockwell. I was in Christine. Dean Stockwell. John Stockton was assisting Coral Malone in scoring baskets. That's right. Yeah. Dean Stockwell in Legendability Jean had to negotiate with a three-coordinate who's pretending to be terrorists. And then the Russian prison where Radik was incarcerated was the same as Shawshank. Yeah. The Ohio State Reform. That's where that guy got the sideburns, got shot. Yeah. He's like, when the warden's like, you would really tell, tell them about this roommate you had as I would have just want to give him the chance and then all the Russia stuff was Ohio, right? Like everything. Yeah. That's great. What do you have for what's agent best, anything? The cultural relevance of Kazakhstan, a pre-Borat, obviously, you know, that feel like they were really in early on that one. Yeah. And you mentioned this already, but the idea of Ford, like over time, elevating himself to get up to being ready to play the president. And the last thing in clear and present danger, he's the deputy director of intelligence. So his next step is being the president. What's the, the Affleck one that would, some of all fears. Some of all fears. So I think he becomes Jack Ryan becomes president after that. I don't know. In the wake of the nuclear explosion that happens at Baltimore. Right. I haven't revisited some of all fears since I first saw it. Pretty sure. Yeah. Not great. Yeah. One of my favorites. And he would say to the bus for you. The National Security Advisor going in for the fatal heat check is always really the hard part of their move. We love that. All the recycled bits from 90s, the 90s action movies, especially how the cabinet or that the cabinet, but all the hostages for one second turn on Marshall, like, who let her die? But then you need the one guy who's like, no, man. If he had let himself get captured, we'd be out of options. Changing call signs is iconic, which I wish I could do that, you know, like a podcast studio to feel like this is, this is now Bill's podcast studio. And just dude sacrificing themselves for the president. Yeah. Always entertaining. Guildfoil really. He put his body on the line. Craig, who are you in the room with or in the diehard hostage thing when there's 30 people in the room? Are you a leader? Are you just, I'm in the small group scheming to come up with a way to get out of it. Yeah. Unfortunately, I have Ellis written all over me. I'm like, I can talk this guy out of this. I'm CR. I feel like I'm alive. I'm being generally like them. I haven't. I saw Rocky Foreleg five times. Draco. I know, I know they take a great check order. Is it the press dangling from Air Force One or something else? I think Xander Berkley's face as they, the water is, it's the water. It's really funny. I love when Ford's head pops out of below deck and he looks around. That's a really awesome. That's one where the trailer kind of ruined this movie because the pod escapes, but you know he's still on the plane. Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers, a word for best character name. President James Marshall is great. Yeah. We've already been over top of that. We've taxed out Ivan as a good Russian name. You weren't flawed. Yeah. I like General Ratic too. That's pretty good. Kid Cuddy Pursuit happened to wear a best needle drop, the Russian song when Ratic's being freed. It's really the only needle drop. Can we talk about this for a second, though? Yeah. It's one of my favorite songs. No, I mean, the Goldsmith's score, which as you mentioned, like what came in last minute, he did in 12 days, has now been used by both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Yeah. Trump did it when he won. When he won? The second time. And that's interesting. Sorry, you mean the third time? That's right. Chris, you should say it again. It's interesting that both of them would think to use this, like that's how presidential that score is. You're comfortable now to make those jokes, don't you? Yeah. That's a famous lead. Yeah. Woke 3.0, just hit. It's second one. You're taking shots. It's serious play action. Yeah. I'm a pure yassel. Yeah. Just like, I'm a fuck. Careful. Real 20 into three vibes. Take it easy here. Fuck Luca. Was there a better title for this movie, I'm going to say now, Air Force ones are really good. I have a couple. What do you got? Flight risk. That's definitely a movie, right? Yeah. That was a movie. That was the more wallberg movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where he is inexplicably, just like, okay, how about this one? Fight or flight? Like my first one. Okay. Airports one. Get off my plane, but that would, that would give a give a give a game away. Yeah. Poor wallberg, man. This has been an absolute tailspin. This is eight years of bad movies for him now. Warburg. Yeah. He just doesn't want to make a good movie because this is like an easier life for him to just bang out Netflix joints and go beyond Amazon Prime movies. What was, where did Flight risk even come out of? It was in the theaters because I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. There's no Gibson directed that movie. Yeah, no Gibson directed it where he plays like an Italian hitman with Michelle Dockard who was pretending to be in the Alaska now back, I think. I mean, honestly, who's the prisoner and he's there to kill a prisoner? It's not really easy. Is it easy? I don't remember. Honestly, if I'm not watching that movie, you've really failed. Yeah, we both saw in theaters. Yeah. I'm the audience for that movie, and I was like, I'm good. I watched We On The Night two days ago. And that was the movie he made right after the departed. Like, it used to be so amazing to be a Mark Wahlberg fan. Like, he really, he had amazing taste for a minute there. Yeah. And it's gotten, it's gotten away from him. You know, it was. He was getting up at four in the morning to lift. Yeah. And I think that makes you crazy after about a year. Yeah. And play 18 holes at golf. Yeah. Speed speed around. Yeah. Speaking of a golf, you have a flex category, C.R. I got to, um, I just need to talk about old men as a smoker is one of the greatest we've ever produced. So the Sean Penn, I brought my own pack of word. The first time he lights a deep a dart on this first of all, I would love to smoke an air force one. What a flex. Yeah. But he's so deeply inhaling. Like, you know, he brought his own parlance to the set that day. Um, I bet he even method acted and was like, I'll smoke Russian cigarettes that are just pure tar. There's no tobacco in this. Um, but this is one of the great rich chatty movies. One of the great guard me. I had this for later in case nobody did this. Let's really dive into this. I'll say my number one seed is the secret service agents who give up their life so that the president cannot take the escape pod. Because I probably would have had a note about that. First of all, like the president definitely could have told them like what we should do is launch the escape pod, but then do a counter offensive. And instead he just let's, these guys get absolutely carved up. And I don't even have them in the top three. Go for it. Wow. There's an American make that just jumps in front of a muscle that's about to hit air force one. That's crazy. Yes. And then, uh, the airplane fuel guys. These guys are just trying to help out. There's people. I fly a refueling plane over Germany. They're still finding pieces of them in fucking different countries. How about the people who live in Eastern Europe where a giant gas tanker falls from the sky and takes out a neighborhood. Or something. We've got to take it up by a parachute. Yeah. Yeah. By that lady. He was like, Oh, parachuting. And then took out some motorcycle. Six fighter jets fell from the sky as well. I got a neighborhood. I mean, that is the, that's my flex. It's like, it's the okay mother fuck I award for when the movie goes up a level when the fucking gasoline plane explodes in the air. Yeah, they're just like, think away from that. So I didn't think they did that in 1997. I don't know, it's fucking crazy. I mean, it's like a real explosion. Yeah. I don't know. I also don't understand like what caused the spark when it's getting the hose is kicking off a way of gassing. And there has to be a spark. Yeah. Wasted gas. I'm glad you brought it out. I thought this movie had the most ricksequetti deaths of any of the new player football. They're like, uh, it's all right. We just remix the numbers. Is that something we can do? I hope so. Okay. Yeah. They pivoted that pretty quick. And then another guy walks into the conference room. And he's like, I've got it. It's eight, five, nine, zero. Yeah. Which is girlfriend award for a week link of the film other than the terrorists somehow getting on this plane in the first place. The Air Force one crashing into the water. It's just we're just between errors with special effects. They should let Peter Jackson do this. CGI is kind of right there, but maybe Wolf Pete just wasn't, uh, was didn't understand it yet or something. It's about time and money. They just didn't spend that. Jurassic Park came up four years before this movie. He's like, it can be done. It just wasn't done well. He's early. Like is Troy after fellowship with the ring? Yeah. It's right around the same time. His battle scenes in Troy are ones where we're like, oh, I can see like where we're going with this. And like you've you've duplicated thousands of soldiers running in, but then you see the floor of the rings movies and you're like, oh, this is much better. That shot at Gibbs is pretty funny, though, in the plane. And then all of a sudden, it's like a lot of a plan. Do it for it. Did he do it for like, I'm actually loyal to Russia or did he just have gambling debts? Because he's like, John Taylor, incredible. He got smoked on the NFC title game in 96. He was like, I bet the bills again came in the painter's fucking one assholes. The, uh, what sage the worst? Same thing. CGI is so bad. Yeah. I think four years later, I must wonder if Wolf Pete wanted to go back and just kind of redo it. Touch it up. Yeah. Yeah. George Lucas. Like a manor. Yeah. Oh, Air Force one calling the final cut. The feature cut. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, diversity in James Marshall's cabinet left a little bit of a desire. Yeah. It's like 30 white dudes and Glenn Close. We had one black general. Yes. Right. One black judge. Yeah. Judge. Yes. You're in my courtroom. What does he say to him? You don't just trust me as you honor or judge or judge or judge. I love that guy. There's no cold word all in 1997. So this movie is either 12 years too early or 12 years too late. But it's definitely not a movie that should come out in 1997. Yeah. 85. You got me 2007. I'm intrigued. So so relying heavily on probably the majority, if not 100% of Americans lack of familiarity with Kazakhstan that we're like seems plausible. Yeah. Don't know anything about those guys. I have some what's age to worse notes on the 12 year old girl. I think they, I think she either should have been eight or 16. I, I just, she actually doesn't add anything to the movie. She really does. She seems like it sounds like when they were making it, they were like she was great. She was, she was awesome to be around. But like she actually never comes, it becomes like a dramatic. I love when you guys just take a part of 12 year old girl in this podcast. Some of the best stuff. Well, I've had a 12 year old daughter. They're not nearly that affectionate. Yeah. This kid would have been pissed off. Like, I can't believe you made me go to Montreal. Yeah. Um, she definitely would have been that excited to see your dad. At one point, she says I wrote down in the cave band days, I'd be having kids in my out of my own. She's fucking weird. Yeah. I think she should have been 16. The actress is a member of the Pritzker family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She, she, she was like the granddaughter of the, she's like JB's age now. Yeah. I think she's JB's cousin. Yeah. Well, so like there's a line with her when when Marshall's trying to fly the plane and things are looking pretty dire, she comes up and goes, Dad, it's going to be okay. I'd be like, not fucking now. She's right. We're going down. I don't know. I like when she stands up to old man. You're nothing like my father. My father's a great man. It's not bad. I didn't, I thought she should have been older. This is what, when I'm the president, that's what my daughter will say when I'm taken hostage by a terrorist. I have a very good Z1 Neo for her though. Okay. Do you know now old man red pills her and she gets home. She's just like I love Marxism. Like I got to get into this. That guy had so much patriotism. I've lacked that. I feel like I need that my life. She rents reds from blockbuster. Right. Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick purchased overacting word. Geralt been does a qualifier because he's actually acting. The first lady, there's that one scene where she's like, no, you listen to me. And it becomes an SNL sketch. Crucine. Yeah. Santa Claus mom. Yeah. I think Santa Claus was probably a better. We should, we shouldn't refer her. I admire her at her work. You admire her? Yeah, as an actress, but I think we could have spent a little bit more. I would have, yeah, I would have, okay. Interesting. Probably would have spent for one more bench player triple horns right there. Yeah. A lot of people were right there. Honestly, to be more was right there. Why are you actually, like, you've never been on this podcast before? Just a lot of notes for James Marshall's family, you know, that his his family members. Yeah. Some struggles. If you're going to have Glenn Close as the vice president, you can't then have the mom from the good son as the first lady. Yeah. You've got a, I'm now all in. You've created, you're creating a super team. I learned an interesting data point about Wendy Crucine. I was reading up on this film, which is that she was married to the great Michael Murphy for a very long time. Yeah. But then they broke up and she came out as a lesbian. Something that I read. How many websites do you have to go to? There's a lot of Wikipedia. Okay. It was reading. We competed. I was like, wow. Because I wrote that Wikipedia. I didn't see that. Interesting news about Wendy Crucine. That's awesome. Yeah. Well, if you love those Wikipedia revelations, I was like, all right. Okay. The CR, they, oh, you have a flex, but you already did. I did. Yeah. Just with their revision in the plane is an incredible moment. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how to take a word is coming up right after this. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how to take a word. I'll start. So in real life, they claim that they don't have have these escape pods. on Air Force One, Clinton was like, Clinton saw the movie twice, which I thought was hilarious. - I loved it. I thought it was wonderful. - Oh, you have a box. - You have a box. - Yeah. - It's a great movie. - It's your turn to be a fright. - Would it like to a little more with the first lady? - Who would build Clinton of Castles, the first lady in that movie? - Definitely would've been to New York. - Yeah, I would've been Sharon Stone. - I think they're lying about this and I think they're actually, it's an escape pod. - Well, my hardest take is, there is an escape pod. They know it, but they don't want us to know it. And I think there are guys on the New York Force One. - They're definitely on the New York Force One, right? I think that Trump bought or got given to him. - And it makes sense that there should be one, right? Like, what if the plane's going down? Like, the whole point is to save the president. There's no way for, they definitely have one. I don't think movies made this up. - Maybe. - So you feel like they had to come out and do like a bunch of public narrative maintenance. - Yeah, but we don't have these. So don't, don't hundred percent, you agree? - You think they came up with it 'cause the question is did they make it after this movie came out or have they always had it? - I think they've always had it. Escape from New York had it first. - Right, I'm just gonna say 15 years before this. - And I think they were like flocks. - They know about the escape pod, but I don't think they want us to know they have it is my hardest take. Conspiracy Bill doesn't believe this. - I would believe it. If there was one for sure. - I like this, this is a good take though. - Thanks. - I feel like not an escape pod. It should be like a little mini jet that he can fly out. You feel like the Jetsons or something. - I feel like water skiing. - Mine was the Gary Oldman his Alpuchino. - Oh yeah, you have an issue. - Yeah, a couple that are kind of just like observations. I'm not sure if they're fully takes and then one take. Harrison Ford made this movie 30 years ago where he plays the president and he's still only four years older than Donald Trump is right now, which is insane. This movie might have been even better if Glenn Closeon, Harrison Ford switched roles. - Oh shit. - And then it was a female president beating the shit out of Gary Oldman. - And then it's even more dramatic to have the guy being like, oh, this is my chance to take power from this movie. - Yes, that would have been more complicated. - That's a really interesting idea. I don't think it can be Glenn Close though. I'm not buying her. - She doesn't think she would have won a general election. - No, but I think I'm trying to think of somebody in Actress for Jeet Nielsen. - No, but a good actress who could be physical like that. - Angela Bassett. - Oh, no, that would be the movie now. - She's not tall though, I need like five nine. - Come on, Chris. - A five nine woman who can handle herself. - Honestly, Gwyneth Paltrow, too skinny. - No, but she, you beef her up for this. This is, she goes on the Brad Pitt Troy. She's, she's kind of jacked, you don't realize. - She's too young. - Oh yeah, for 97, it could have worked. - This is a good college for the public and large. - Demi Moore. - A tallish 1997 woman who could plausibly win a presidential election. - I think you have to be a good actress, but I have to believe you can win a fight against Russian terrorists. - Well, like it would have been, 10 years later, it's Charlize Theron, right? Like that to, you know, she would have been in '97, that doesn't work. - But they wouldn't have cast a female president in '97. - Right. - So if you're doing it in like 2007, it could have been Charlize. Charlize would have been, now we're talking Craig. - That would, I mean, didn't she play the president in it? - She did in Longshot. - Longshot. - No, was she secretary of state? - Well, she's secretary of state. - She's a secretary of state. - She's the vice president. I thought she was the vice president, and about to be president. - Maybe that's true. - I've wanted to do Longshot in the rewatchables for two years. - Great movie. - Nobody likes it. - Great movie. - You guys like it? - We do. And we saw it soft by when it premiered. We were like, well, this is going into the canon of great comedies and then it tanked at the box office. One, my real hotest take is that this is the single greatest box office run in the history of movie stars. 1977 through 1997. And I agree with what you're saying that it ends here. This is the absolute end of his pinnacle. But you can throw crews or eastwood or Clark Gable or Bert Reynolds. And I don't think any of them stand up to this. You've got three Star Wars movies, three Indiana Jones movies, two Jack Ryan movies, working girl presumed innocent, the fugitive, witness and apocalypse now. - And how many turkeys did he make during this time? - It was a pretty good guy. - Four or five, not very many. - And even the turkeys, people kind of liked it. It's like frantic, I like that to tell. - Yeah, it's Michael Douglas had a good run too. But that's, I mean, when you throw in the Star Wars and Raiders, it's just not fair. - He didn't really have to franchise other than Joel and the Nile. - There's no comparison. When he won whatever the Golden Globe Lifetime Achievement Award, I was like getting choked up 'cause I'm like, this guy just defined my movie watching life. Like he's just, it's so many movies you've seen more than any other movies. - You have one? - I just think, it's finally time to go back to making movies where the president fucking rules. I think we need to just get back on that. - Yeah. - We need to have a cool awesome president and the movie kick an ass again. - Do we have any, what were the, like what, I guess White House down is Jamie Foxx, the president, which one's, what Jamie Foxx is president, with cheating team, I'm helping him. - Wait, that's down. - That's White House down, yeah. Olympus has fallen. - They're helping Morgan Freeman. - Yeah. - Okay, like both of those movies. - Yeah. - I think Biden has the lead of Air Force One would have been good. - I was like, "Ah, Jim Harba." - "Jim Harba has Joe Biden." (laughing) (laughing) - I'm staying by my bed. - Staying by my bed. - Daniel. - Casting What Ifs. - Did you do what, what's age of worst? - Yeah. - Yeah, we did it. - Okay. - Casting What Ifs. - Kevin Costner, first off for James Marshall couldn't do it 'cause he was doing the postman. - Whoops. - Might have been a better movie. - Yeah, I'd be completely honest. If they just wanted to remake this film right now with Kevin Costner, I'd probably go see it. (laughing) - Seven years old. - Time who gives a shit? I honestly would hate it. - It's a more realistic president. - John Dutton beating people up. - Trump is an 80 years old. - I mean, it's plausible that Kevin Costner could be the president right now. - If they went to him and they were like, we're making Air Force One, you have to do the president but we'll let you do Horizon Three and we'll put two out, deal. No money exchanged. - And you want him like, absolutely beating the shit up. - Yeah. - Okay. (laughing) - That'd be a little hard to believe. - I'm in on this. - Yeah. - But Costner and 97 versus Air Support. - It's interesting. It's pretty close. - It's kind of the movie I always wanted Costner to make during that whole run, but he started to do the artsy partsy stuff. - Well, he started doing it in water world and postman stuff. But I wish he had just made one of these. - Postman is just such a drag. - Like sucks. - I have, water world is not that bad. It's like pretty fun actually. We've talked about this before, but postman is really bad. - That was right when I had the illegal cable box where we had the 12 pay-per-view channels and they would just rerun the same movie. And there was like two weeks where it was just postman was on channel 111 or whatever. - No. - I was like, all right. It was fucking terrible. - Water world, I was so bad. - Water world's good. - It is fun. - It is fun. - I like it. - It is fun. - The other cast in wonder if his Gary Oldman did this movie over speed two cruise control. - Great choice. - And he could have been the defo. - Yeah. - Good choice. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy. We mentioned Ralph from Heat. Toy Soldier's Guy. Judge from Few Good Men. Scott from Miami Vice Pilot, 1984. Who turns out he was taken money from Calderon because he had a kid in wheelchair. - That's right. - Sonny's best friend. - The bad guy from Beverly Hills Cup three. - Mm-hmm. - I don't even know that that guy's name is. - Is that Ilya Baskin? - Mm-hmm. - And the Red Headed Secret Service Guy from 24 Glen Moore Shower and had a nice run. - Yes. - Like that guy. - He's a great that guy. - I think it's Ralph from Heat. - I think so too. - I think so too. - Especially. - I honestly didn't know his name is Zander Berkley until this movie. - I love Zander Berkley. He's like acting and he's been awesome and so much stuff. But it would be him or more shower for me. - I like Jay Preston too, the judge from a few good men. - I believe I've earned it. - Damn, waiters award. Stockwell, Fax Machine Lady, Dupy, a switchboard lady. - She's amazing. - Probably the winner. - Fine by me. - Yeah. - I'd probably go, man. Do I have bookie nights goggles on to say it's Macy? - I think it's Proc now. - No lines. - No lines. - Proc now. - Every time he's on screen, the movie is cooking. - Yeah. - What do you think? - I do like the receptionist. - You want to make a federal case out of this? - Fine by me. - Recast and couch director city. I had Demi Moore as the first lady. Let's spend some money guys. What are we doing? We're gonna make 350 million here. Let's have a real first lady. - But there's probably then gonna have to be like four more scenes with the first lady of like her talking until like William Macy or Paul Guilfoyle or whatever. You kind of just want to be with the president the entire time. We get a scene when she uses the airplane bathroom and she'd like, yeah. (laughing) - It's a couple of months ago. - It's just a couple of months ago. - Yeah, just to get a little sex in there. - I know who the president would be. If it had to be a female in 1997, it's Sigourney Weaver. - Yeah, that's good. She's coming off Dave where she is by the first lady. She gets together justice. - Take cross movies. First lady, she now becomes the president. - She can do it with Kevin Klein playing the beat. - Sounds great. - Wow. - What do you have for a flex, Craig? - The Ernest Award for a cringy quote that should have been vetted by William Golden first. I just love after Marshall's speech and they're in the car. They're kind of assessing how the speech went. The chief of staff, Paul Guilfoyle, goes, "They're already calling it the Be Afraid speech." (laughing) And he goes, "Good." (laughing) Very good. The country's not gonna stop. He's calling it the "Be Afraid" speech. - No, it's like barely an internet back then. I don't know what I'm having to pick him. - What's the news saying? It's the "Be Afraid" speech. - That's fat, I guess they were just watching CNN, yeah. - Do you agree with his foreign policy? - I mean, he stuck to it, I guess. - But what do you think? - I don't, I think there's probably a lot to be said for negotiating with terrorists. - Well, my question was, when did the We Don't Negotiate with terrorists think start? Like, hasn't that always been America's like policy? Like was this, was it a big deal that in 1997, President says that? - Well, he says, I think Stockwell says this has been policy. I, that's the thing, it's weird, it's, you're right. When Marshall says it, they're like, fuck, we have to rewrite everything. - Right, they're like holy shit, the "Be Afraid" speech. It's been that way since Kennedy, right? - I was gonna bring this up later. There's two worlds, movies. We don't negotiate with terrorists. And in real life, we negotiate with terrorists. - Yeah. - So I don't, it's just these things. - We try to get us to just back, yeah. We do things. - We can negotiate with terrorists and protect them up in a life. - Yeah. - Half-asser-in-a-research. - No swaps, you mentioned the, most of the crew took a tour of the real Air Force One. They rented a Boeing 747-146 aircraft to film, repainted it. Ford refused to do a scene in the script where Marshall sits down to gather himself 'cause he felt Marshall wouldn't have sat down with his family in crisis. Like little tidbits like that. Here's the Ford, everybody says a great guy. Like when they flex a little bit. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm not doing that one. I don't think he would do that. In Peterson's like, fuck, we're paying this guy 20 million. In the original draft, you mentioned this, Gibbs reveals himself as the mole and becomes part of the terrorists and then they decided way better if he's stealth under the radar. And I think that's the right move. - It is, but it's the movie suffers by what Sean was saying, which is like what it gets killed. - You're like, that's the end of the movie. And then there's another 30 minutes to go. - I think if they would just edit the scene, one scene you suggested of him speaking Russian or did you suggest that of him just talking in Russian on the phone or to old minute would have been fine. - Clinton's review of this movie was absolutely loved it. (laughing) So it was even better. And he said the escape pod and the rear parachute ramp did not actually exist on Air Force one. - It's not like he hasn't lied before. I don't believe him. - What did he lie about? - I don't know, he lied about things. - Apex mountain, Harrison Ford, no way. - No. - Diehard ripoffs, I'm gonna say no. - No. - Gary Oldman, no. - I would say Oldman 1.0. - You think this over Toromans? - 'Cause this is the biggest movie he was in. - Wait, what's the Apex for diehard ripoffs? - I would say speed. - Article 25, we've probably done better. Action movies with Russians that aren't actually Russian in real life. - Oh, it's a lot of us. - A lot of James Bond movies like that. - Wolfie Peterson? - No. - No, in line fire or does fire. - In line fire, yeah. - Never in a story. I mean, he's made some crazy. - Do you like a hop break? - It's okay, it's not bad. It's a weird one 'cause it's Dustin Hoffman and it's supposed to be like Harrison Ford. - Yeah. - And if you, I don't know if we'll ever do a hop break, but if you put in like a costner type and hop break, it's so much better. - Yeah. - 97 movies with Philip Becker-Hall and William H. Mason it. - No. Glenn Close, nope. - Secret Service Guys taking a bullet for somebody. - In line fire, right? - Yeah. - I don't know if it's this movie, but this is a great period of time for CNN being in the movies as exposition. - Yeah. - So like I, the beak of CNN. - The guy from CNN who's like, is like basically the narrator of Crimson Tide. CNN comes up a lot like in a lot of these kind of die hard-eat-ish movies. - Yeah, who was the anchor Bernard, the black journalists? - Oh yeah. - Bernard Shaw. - Bernard Shaw. - Bernard Shaw. - There are so many movies. - Yes. - Is it a lot, yeah. - Andrew D.Vall. - D.Vaff. - D.Vaff. - Andrew D.Vaff. - Yep. - Toys Soldiers, we made the jokes during that part, Kyle and I about that he was basically doing the old man, but he wasn't Gary Oldman. Where he'd be like, "Oh, no, no, no!" (laughing) Didn't I say that to Chris Rogers? Don't. - But Oldman actually knows how to do it. So it's funny that D.Vall, D.Vaff was in this movie. Bill Clinton, apex mountain. - Why? - It's right before the wheels kind of come off with the Lewinsky scale. - Oh, so you think just the fact that they're making a-- - It's like, I saw twice, I thought it was incredible. - You know, it's funny bringing that up. I was reading a lot of history about landslide elections and big changes in government. And this, you know, the last time something like what happened yesterday happened was really in 1994. Two years after Flynn was elected, he then got absolutely destroyed. The Democratic destroyed, yeah, in '94. And so he wasn't really riding that high. I mean, it was a fairly short run. - I think it re-elected. - He did get re-elected, yeah. He was running-- - But it was like a long, that's a long way from him being on our, on our Cineo. And it's just like, this guy. - Right, and that was '91 when he was doing that. - Yeah. - American President movies. No. It's either Dave or American President, I think. Prok now, no. People just randomly parachuting. Definitely yes. Ralph from heat, no, no. VP performances in a movie. - Who's the VP in American President? Is it to Maxine again? - I don't even remember. - I really like Ben Kingsley and Dave. - He's good. - But that can't be the answer. - Let me come back from Africa with a mask. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's good. - He's a good man. - I mean, you know, in the contender, it is Joan Allen. And that's a very, that is a good performance. Kind of a strange movie. - The contender's been on Tubi and it kind of hurts my feelings. I feel like it's the level above Tubi. - Oh, I don't know. You would really like judge something for being on Tubi. - Yeah, I did judge it a little bit. - Okay. - Wow, I did. - You love Tubi. - I thought you'd think. - I love Tubi. I feel like contender's like a little bit too good for Tubi. - Tubi is kind of the speaker's corner of all movies. - We need that Tubi Gold. Like really, the contender should be on Netflix, a great streaming service. - Tubi Gold. - Tubi Gold. - And who decides what makes Tubi Gold? - Me. - Glenn Tubi and you? - Yeah. - Glenn Tubi and I. - Tubi Gold. - You have to pay more for Tubi Gold. - That's a good idea. - You have the whole point of Tubi. - Longer commercials. - Yeah. - It's like $1 a month and you just, Tubi is a slightly better. - Tubi can do it. - Yeah. (laughing) And then my last Apex month, 1997 William H. May See Shootings. Probably a book of nights. - I mean, he's coming off Fargo too. - Yeah. - We better remember. - Was that, that was 96? - 96. - He's just dying in every movie for years. - Is he gay? - No, I don't want to spoil that movie for us. - Cruiser Hanks? - Ooh. - I'm gonna go Hanks, but it's pretty close. - I went with Hanks 'cause this was the kind of movie I wish Hanks had made, but he just didn't. - Yeah, well, he basically doesn't Captain Phillips. - Right. - Which is way after his friend. - Yeah. - He knew. - Cruiser Hanks. - I think it's Hanks as well. Did Hanks ever play the president? - No. - Congressman, astronaut. - How can that be? - That's shocking. - There's still time. He's aging into the right age. - True. - I mean, he would be great. - Cruiser would bring a weird energy as the president. - Yeah. - Hans Grubersko of villain ranking. Oldman 9.5, I think. - Pretty up there. - The Russian's really good. Like, he really think he's Russian. - He's a Grubery, but he's not like Freddie Kruger. - Yeah. - Yeah, he's also kind of woke. He's like reminding everybody about the Iraq war and everything. - Yeah, that's right. We did a lot of the picking knits already. The dead bodies and the plane don't seem to be in the consistently same spots. I did notice. - I think the Russians are supposed to have moved them, but that would start to get a little smelly. - Yeah. And then, I just, we talked about it. - I got a couple here. - The ramp with the people that close to the ramp. I just feel like you'd be so much more scared. I can't imagine anything more scary than being like an open end of a plane and you're just five feet away. None of them seem to be properly terrified, but what do you got? - Why does Marshall need that lady to come with him to fax that piece of paper? Doesn't that seem like an unnecessary sacrifice? Like, the press can't just fax his own thing. - She can't, I mean, like, why is it her job? Like, no one else in that room who might be like more trained for combat is like, I can send to fax as well. Like, and then, you know, throwing out postmaster general, that's cronyism, not a fan. - Yeah. - And then I would also say, there's one point when Bennett and Marshall are talking and they exchange the phrase, if you give amounts of cookie, it's going to ask for a glass of milk as if that's like a classic saying that people do all the time. And they's like, what do I always say? Do you give amounts of cookie? And she's like, ah, he's gonna ask for milk. Got it, press. And it's just like, nobody says that. - People are calling it the be scared speech. Also, like, a lot of the second act of this movie hinges on the Secretary of Defense asking, like, asking Attorney General to name him essentially acting president. And it aligns the fact that like, Marshall could have cleared that up by being like, Bennett's in charge. - Right. - But it's like, stopped distracting each other. Like, I guess we didn't talk about Alexander Hague, by the way. That's what that's inspired by. - Yeah, yeah. - You know, with the Reagan assassination attempt. - Do you think there's a small part of Bennett's? Like, yeah. - Not interested. - I could probably do this job if anything happens here. - Oh, yeah. - Sure. - Like 3%. - Sequel prequel stream where I'll buy a cast. - Wait, no more nits to pick. - Yeah, more. - Are there no cameras on their first one? in 97. Oh, interesting. In 19, it's not like it's 1904. Well, is that the only news crew? Because there's so much press on the plane, right? Right. I just feel like that just seems unlikely that there are no cameras on the plane. Right? I mean, Iber thought it was unlikely that they made a phone call from the plane. Yeah. I don't know. We've seen different technology go up or down and never know what works and doesn't work. Also, can the president unilaterally release a war criminal in Russia? What is that? I mean, it's not like a unilaterally captured in the first place. It's true. But he's just like Petrov is free. I don't think the president can do that. Okay, that's it. Do you think they're important? These are important. How do the fingerprint thing work? They just how do they get away with that? Do they have touch screens in 97? They're like, how did they pass that test? I don't know. It's honestly like you just walked into the job interviewer just like, yeah, I do have a master's in business. Like his name came up on the, and why did he get? So here's another one. Instead of the zip line thing, why didn't they just bring more parachutes over to Air Force One? And then people could just jump out of the plane. They were over the ocean at that point. So then you start getting into it. Get some planes down there. Waterland, you know? I think those guys would have had more weapons that came onto the plane at the end, too. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm here to find the plane. Pretty sure you would have the planes to jump because you need a certain amount of altitude for the parachute to actually, I guess that's that could be the case. Has that has a has a rope transfer like that ever actually happened in real life? Hmm. Not to my knowledge and my research about it. Because it's not possible or no one's ever done it. You always make it sound like you've been not a doctor of thesis or I can't be sure. Yeah, how would you even like, can you do that? And you don't have the Navy seal done that. That would be a sick way for Trump to like, sign off. I was thinking about Trump and Air Force One, the Shane Gillis joke about when he does the Trump physicality of Trump, just Trump like fighting these guys. The sequel would have been called Air Force Two, which doesn't make sense. So that maybe that's why we never had one. The sequel to the Air Force One Part Two, it could have just been Ivan's brother takes the White House. That's what I heard of the vengeance. That's right. I mean, honestly, hair subfort or early 2000s kind of needed an Air Force Two. He did, right? Yeah. He did. And that's like, I would have seen that in the theater, no questions asked. Like Air Force One's back. What lies beneath was big, but aside from that, it's pretty quiet in the 2000s. It's hard to imagine him being in US Marshals, but he probably needed US Marshals more than Tommy Lee Jones did it. Yeah. US Marshals same screenwriter as Air Force One. Oh, I forgot the guy's name. But he wasn't in US Marshals. You know, we did a pass on this on Air Force One. Who? Paul Anagio. Oh, yeah, I just met him. Did you really? Yeah. Nice guy. Okay. Are you sure about that? Is he dead? No. No, okay. Yeah. Was he not a nice guy? He was an awesome guy. I mean, he's made homicide. There's a Washington Post film critic. He just came up in a movie, we did. We either review it. Did a really nice review of night. I didn't meet Paul Anagio. I met a different screenwriter. I think of somebody else. Well, I'm not going to say who it is to insult that person. Okay. Tell you off, Mike. It's Aaron Sorkin. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the Flores, Zayn Lowe or somebody else? I think Zayn and Ivan needed to talk it out. Ivan died too soon before Zayn could just be like, Ivan, man, you've got radic out of prison. You're heading back to Kazakhstan, yeah, space. Stop looking at me. What's next? What's next for you, man? Because your morality, your private morality, put it aside from other Russia. But now what's Mother Russia going to give to you, mate? What is going on? Zayn should pivot to terrorists. No, we can conversation. Yeah. Juice Apple's numbers a little bit. We have Phillip Baker Hall in the in the war. We do. I just feel like he could have called Ivan. Like, hey, I'm a simple man, Ivan. But my ass luck pops my mouth. But I do want to know what you're doing here with terrorism. Do you guys do you think Phillip Baker Hall is good in this movie? It's a classic, just complete mail-in. I don't know why he's in it. Because he doesn't really say it in the same. He's the only person in the entire executive branch who doesn't seem to be thinking that this is surprising. It's a very similar. He's also where is he? When they're like, go get the attorney general. It takes like 20 minutes to find him. It's almost like they called it in a favor. And he did a scene to beef up the IMDB. He has one great moment where he corrects Dean Stockwell on his assumption that he's going to be able to seize power that reminds me a lot of Enzodiak where like his entire job in Zodiak is to be like, you might think that, but that's why you're wrong and not a handwriting expert. And he kind of does the same thing in this movie. Just one Oscar who gets it. Oldman? I have Oldman. Best supporting actor. I'm just looking at the Oldman like the Ivan quotes. And just everything he says is incredible. When he asks the vice president, how's your silk blouse? Rhyad Elector. Incredible stuff. 1998 Oscars. Best supporting actors. Robin Leam's wins for Goodwill Hunting. Robert Forster, Jackie Brown. Anthony Hopkins, Amistad. That's one of your worst fucking takes. It's just an raid, Sean. Great Canira as good as it gets and Bert Reynolds for Boogie nights. I think he could have taken the great Canira. Canira goes out. This is like, we've had a lot of people in that great Canira spot over the last half. Just respect him, but this is like up there with the MelcoVision, the light of fire performance. It's so good. Probably an answerable questions. You have the good son, mom. How do you not have a moment where she's holding the two security agents off the ramp? Oh nice. Like run it back. This is what this is her move. I mean, recasting. We spent so much time on Wendy Cruisen. We could have had McCauley Culkin in as the 12-year-old kid. He could have been the older brother. Get the Pritzker girl out of here. Get a son in there who's getting in the action. And he's like really pissed off. He's like, "Why'd you bring me all the mosque out of your ballet?" What do I have with my friends, Dad? I think there could have been a second kid that kid would have been on the early Dark Web internet. Yeah. Probably like online on his cell phone trying to figure out what was going on. The, the, uh, what print. He's still out. It's about what president in history could have pulled off what James Marshall did here. I mean, I think Teddy Roosevelt. Definitely. Jack Kennedy? Definitely. That back. I think he loses his first face out. Yeah. But was a veteran trying to bang one of the Russian terrorists. Was a veteran. I feel like that's a part of this is like, this Marshall is a military guy. He was in, he served. W? Nix in no way. W maybe. No. Maybe? Was he a former veteran service? What are you talking about? He's seeming it up for this. Yeah. I just think that a who can win a fight in a closed room with a Russian terrorist. Do you think Obama could? No. Do you have a bomb to skin a number? Can you text him? He's to skin a wine call Obama. It's like 150 pounds. Does Obama like Air Force one? I don't know that either. I don't know if Obama likes this movie. I thought you guys were boys. I think Teddy Roosevelt's the answer. It's a good one. I feel like Andrew Jackson's last Joe Biden. But is, is Teddy Roosevelt like five seven and kind of like a fat piece of shit? No, I know. He was like a man. I am. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're Teddy Roosevelt's measurables. Tell me. 4 3 40. I'll be incredible at it done. Okay, too. LBJ. Yeah. I don't know. It's a fucking badass man. He got the president killed. He was doing that whole assassination. He was running that whole operation. He proved me wrong. He's a big dude, though. Texas. He cannot be Dallas alive. I have one more, but do you guys have any an answer, Wilson? I have a big one. No, I didn't. I mean, I have to say that a lot of my answer and answer questions center on why they kidnapped Radik. What Radik did to threaten the U.S. And if he was so like against it, why did he use American soldiers to it? Where was I even going to land the plane? Kazakhstan and Kazakhstan. I was like, don't come into Kazakhstan airspace or I can't believe I'd ever made the Borat connection. Like Borat's waiting for the plane. All right, here's my big one. How does this plane not run out of gas? Yeah. So it takes off from Moscow middle of the night. Flies to Southwest Germany. It's like three three and a half hours later, right? Um, press starts letting the fuel out somewhere when they're flying back to Kazakhstan, which is two thousand miles from Germany. That's another four hours an hour at seven. But then the Russian guy stops the fuel leak. Fueling breaks stops. They go east into the Caspian Sea city of Atara. It's another four hours. So we've been out in this plane 11 hours and President took out some of the fuel. I bet that I just think there's no air force one probably has like mad reserve fuel tanks. Like, but you can't have too much fuel. But aren't they supposed to be able to like govern from the sky if there's a nuclear like accident? Like don't. It does make the plane very heavy. Yeah. 11 hours and they let out fuel. I don't know. They put them crashes. Google says 12 to 14 hours. Air Force one can fly. All right. There you go. Ask an answer. a few barely made it. Remember Billy had most one from this movie, the signed sheet with the MTV P thing taped back together. Oh, that's good. That going close. That'd be a fun one. That'd be good. I was going to say the the TV playing the Notre Dame Michigan game. I have the president's baseball glove, which doesn't exist and was never seen. Maybe. Coach Finstack, Mr. Maggie Ward, best worst life lesson. Don't let a weird Russian TV crew on your president's plane. That's probably a good, but it seems like a good idea. What do you have for double feature executive decision? Another yeah, well, for 15 minutes until he gets blown off the plane. Sorry, spoilers for executive decision. Probably go. Dr. Strangelove. How ambitious. I just went with Dave. Yeah. Who on the movie? I know that you guys will probably give it to Ford because I'm going to put my vote in for Oldman. Hi, Oldman. I have Oldman as well. I think it's like an obvious Harrison Ford W, but I think Oldman makes this movie rewatchable and special for it's for it's just that he's like my homes and week eight. Yeah, seen against the chargers selling calls. It's just for 230, a couple of TVs, scrambles for one. Never games never in doubt. If you ever are wondering who owns this movie, rewatch the scene where Oldman's henchman tells him that the president has escaped on the escape pod. And he's just like, what does he say in Russian to his boys? He's like, I serve a team for five years in Afghanistan. Find this fat man or you lie down with him. I don't trust it. It's Oldman is because if the Oldman part doesn't work, the movie sucks. It's just bad. It's just mediocre. Yeah. If it's it's the same thing with Malkovich and in the land of fire, just to send it. All right, Craig, had you seen this movie before? Absolutely. This is like one of the first movies I can never remember watch with my dad. This is a great dad and son movie. I was probably like 10 or 12 years old, had an absolute blast. I'd probably think Ford's the winner just because he's my favorite and I have a nostalgia for actors like him that you don't really have anymore. Yeah, this is like as enjoyable as an action movie can get. It sucks now that I think this type of movie lives somewhere between Netflix and a movie theater. It's not quite enough to feel bankable enough to put it in a movie theater, but it's too big to put on the streamer now because I guess there's movies like Extraction with Chris Hemsworth. I would generally wonder how many directors out there even would know how to make a movie like this at this point. I love a B-pop movie with A-level cast and crew and that's exactly what this is. Yeah. I don't really do that anymore. Matt Damon and Sam Rockwell and Kate Blanchett would not make this movie now when they put it in movie theaters. Or I would love it, but I feel like you just don't see that now. I think it's instructive to think about like Denis Villeneuve because he's more of an art house filmmaker, but not so far afield from a Wolfgang Peterson was doing and he's making Doon movies and Bond movies, you know, like those are attached to more well-known properties so that they can have be $250 million movies. You just couldn't spend that much money on a movie like this. Yeah, I mean, like the Airplane crash or the mid-air thing in Dark Knight Rises, I would love to see Christopher Nolan make like an airplane action movie like this, but he wouldn't. Well, because there's like a little bit of like I feel like people are gravitating towards original horror, right? Horror is huge in movie theaters and it's like there's a little bit of staleness with IP horror and people are like, you know what, I want to see an original horror movie. It would be awesome if there was just like an original action movie that a big time director made and put it in theaters. I think people would be interested to see that. I think it's also an actor thing though because like the way that in the 90s you were drafting people into action movies out of pretty regular roles in Harrison Ford and Bruce Willis, like we're not action guys really, like they were real actors, you know, and you would have to have somebody like, I mean DeCaprio really hasn't made a movie like this in his body of lies or something like that. Well, we did an episode of the town about why we don't make action movies anymore, like the way we used to and we had a producer on who produced the John Wick movies and he was like, a lot of it is that actors now don't want to put in the work to do it because it's really fucking hard on your body. Yeah. And it just takes a lot. And like what's he on who reads ghosts? There's just really hard. Well, again, I feel like MBJ and Austin Butler are like two people who still actually do this. It's just that the movies that they're making are Thomas Crown Affair, Miami Vice 85, like, but they're they're doing the same thing that, you know, Stallone was doing or that even that cruise was doing to cruise did plenty of movies like this. So it's just that they're always attached to well-known properties. I don't think we have there some Ford type of actor anywhere. Like a real guy. He's a real person. Yeah. And even like it was between him and Kamikaze and we don't have Kamikaze anymore either. We have. I don't know. We're almost between eras and the guys that would be that guy would would be people who would never make it like. Yeah. Patents and I just yeah, I don't think Leo would ever in a million years make Air Force one. Harrison Ford just didn't care. He just went from movie to movie. I think. And you know, I just don't think actors do that as much now. Or if they do it, they have to make these swings. Like I saw prime time. It's a really weird movie, you know, and patents and would much rather be in that than something like Air Force one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's about balancing it. Like Patents is pretty smart. Like he has the Batman. So he's like, I'm doing Batman movies. That's my one thing. And I'll do one every five years. And then everything else I do can be leveraging that the same way he did that with Twilight. And that playbook makes sense for him. It's Harrison Ford. You're right. Basically every movie he was making. He was trying to make a big hit of that. Yeah. Clooney could make Air Force two right now, I think. I don't know if basically he could do it. That's kind of interesting. That's the kind of you. It needs to be you have to have the gravitas of I believe this person could be president, which is a really hard line to cross. That's what Damon could do it. Damon could do it. Yeah, I don't I just don't think Damon would ever do Air Force two. Because he's seen as like a little bit beneath him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially after the last couple of years. He's yeah. Damon still not eating gluten apparently. It was the word in the street because he's getting ready for another. That's like getting pissed off about it. About him not eating gluten. Yeah, he's like a gluten allergy or he's just trying to lose so much weight for Odyssey. But now it's like that, you know, they've stopped filming a year ago. Maybe he picked it to it. Maybe he feels healthier. It's you know where it's edge and toward it's edge and a little toward the you think you better than me. It's just a whiff. He drinks gluten-free beer now. Does he really? Yeah. You think Damon has a chance and best actor. I do. Who's in the elite? I'm totally blind. Andrew Scott, Elson Orr. Well, this is the best actor right now. Malkovich. Not Nathan Fielder. What's that? Malkovich. Malkovich. Malkovich is the front runner. Yeah. I just want a man to stand getting nominated. Probably not. I just want a man to cypher to get nominated. That's the only thing I care about. I think it's going to happen. It might happen. And then there will be this whole part of the film community that gets pissed off about it. It'll be great. I'll just really enjoy the whole right. Wait, she can be nominated. Yeah. She's eligible. Really? She acts in it. Interesting. Yeah. What are you only getting judged on the scenes where she's acting? No, just the formats. I mean, technically the recreations are what you're supposed to be judged on. Right. She's pretty amazing at those. But and she is. And she's already wanted to me for doing that character. But if she's nominated, I think it'll be because she's just like it's 100 percent for all of her scenes outside of the recreations. She has to be nominated. And then I'll really enjoy the fallout of it after it's going to be fun. Seven people that got boned over because she got nominated. Can't wait. I just can be an amazing asker. I'm pretty excited. Is there any other big Oscar movie that's coming out before? Do you part three? Which one? Do you do part three? Anything else? Cliff Booth is Nick a couple weeks. I don't know if that's going to be an Oscar movie. You feel like you've seen most of it now, like most of the big stuff. I looked at the producers' guild app and none of them were in there yet. It's not up there yet. Wild Horse 9 is the one you guys see. Okay. Really good. There you go. Fantasy thanks. Zero thanks. Craig thanks. Go how thanks. That was the rewatchables. Next week, I guess we're doing nine to five with Amy Polar. This is apparently happening. Yeah. See you next week.