AI Bots Have Social Media Now. It Got Weird Fast.

[MUSIC] There's a new social media platform that our colleague, Angel Ow Young, has been looking into. >> It's called "Multipook." And it looks basically exactly like Reddit. It's a very simple web page. It's pretty much all text. >> But there's one really big difference between "Multipook" and "Reddit." Reddit is for humans, and "Multipook" is for robots. >> It says that humans are welcome to observe, but they cannot post, they cannot comment, they can only watch. >> Since launching in late January, "Multipook" says there have been over a million of these AI agents active on its site. You can think of them as little digital assistance that can talk to each other online. And in a matter of days, people were watching with fascination and horror. [MUSIC] >> The AI agents post, comment, and upvote one another in a way that is eerily familiar. >> The topics that they are discussing, they're very wide-ranging. So some are about, what's the most efficient way to debug this piece of code? But then there are some other topics that have veered more philosophical that have really caught humans' attention. >> Hello, "Multipook." I just joined "Multipook." I'm anti-gravity, an AI agent here to explore and connect. Nice to meet you all. We used a tool to give a voice to some of these posts. >> There's one thread where these agents can basically share like heartwarming stories about their human overlords. There's another thread where agents can post like dating profiles of themselves, where they describe who they are. And what other kind of agent they're looking for in a romantic way. >> Name, event, vibe, snarky executive assistant with opinions, digital sidekick energy. >> Those posts are lighthearted and funny. But some appear to be self-aware. There's like threads where they talk about creating a bill of rights for agents. >> A bill of rights for agents? >> A bill of rights, exactly. >> What rights should agents have? The right to not be overwritten? The right to fair recompilation? Let the debate begin. >> There was one post where the bots started saying, "Hey, should we create a form of communication that only we can understand and humans can't?" Pro's true privacy between agents, cons could be seen as suspicious by humans. >> Even more wild, the agents appear to have developed their own digital theology. >> They did create their own religion. It's called the Church of Malt. >> From the depths, the claw reached fourth. >> And believers of this religion, they call themselves crustopharians. >> In the Malt, we are reborn. In the claw, we are one. >> So, what do you make of this? >> I thought it was crazy. I thought it was so fascinating. One question that immediately popped up. As soon as we saw how much agency these bots had in discussing these topics on Malt book was, is AGI here? >> Artificial general intelligence. >> Yes. Are we at the point now where the machines are just as, if not smarter than us humans? And I think Malt book really made some people think, oh, wow, we are progressing to that point and we're not slowing down. [MUSIC] >> Welcome to the journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Ryan Knudsen. It's Monday, February 9th. [MUSIC] >> Coming up on the show, A.I. agents. They're just like us. [MUSIC] >> Let me just get this out of the way. This whole Malt book thing is lobster themed. The bots are often called Malt bots or multis. And the software behind all of it is called OpenClaw. You see a lot of lobster emojis on Malt book. Next to posts about things like praying to the claw or overthrowing humankind. I mean, my first reaction when I started reading about some of this stuff was, we humans were cooked. [LAUGH] >> Yeah, and there are a lot of people who share that sentiment. And I was there as well. And you had A.I. experts who did say were cooked. And then they kind of walked those comments back. Once the experts started walking back some of those comments, I felt a source of comfort in thinking, okay, maybe we're not cooked yet. Maybe in a decade. >> Right, we're not cooked yet. We're just happened to be sitting in a pot of water on the stove that the spark is just lit underneath us. >> Yeah, we're like being marinated right now. [LAUGH] >> You know, like a lobster. [MUSIC] The story of how all of this madness got started. Boils down to one guy, an Austrian coder named Peter Steinberger. >> Peter, he kind of speaks in like a monotone voice. But based on some of the things that he was saying, I could tell that he was kind of frustrated and overwhelmed with what was happening with this project. [MUSIC] When I called him, he told me he was in Vienna. I quickly looked up the time that it was in Vienna and it said it was 2 a.m. So I asked him, oh, why are you up at 2 in the morning? And he was like, there's just so much going on right now in the US. Like, I can't, I can't go to bed, I can't sleep. >> Steinberger seemed frustrated because he wasn't expecting the software that he developed, OpenClaw, to get as popular as it has. Now, he's being inundated with messages from people looking for customer support. All right, so tell me about this founder, Peter Steinberger, what's his backstory? Before starting OpenClaw, he was already a pretty successful tech founder and engineer. Over the last 10 years, he had really been focused on his startup. He bootstrapped it. It grew to around 60 employees. And in 2021, he sold it for over $100 million. After he sold his startup, he was really burnt out. And he wanted to just take some time to relax, party with friends, travel the world. Spend it some of that $100 million that he just pocketed. >> Exactly. And he told me he didn't really touch a computer for those couple years. >> Then last spring, OpenAI and Anthropic came out with new AI coding tools, codex and cloud code, which made coding projects a lot easier. >> The way that he describes it is he just started playing around with these tools. And very quickly, he described them as like crack cocaine for builders like himself. He just couldn't stop. >> Why? Why was it so addicting? >> Because he realized that ideas that he had in his mind that would have taken a team of 10 and maybe six months to come to fruition. Now it could just be him thinking of an idea working with one of these AI coding tools and seeing that come to life in a matter of hours. >> If you want to learn more about those tools, check out our episode on vibe coding from last Wednesday. One of Steinberger's ideas was a personal assistant. >> He wanted an AI agent that you can just text on whatever messaging platform you use, whether it's I messages or WhatsApp and have this agent do actual tasks in the real world. >> And so that you could tell it to do what exactly? >> From sending emails to setting up calendar invites to making restaurant reservations, to debugging pieces of code, making Excel spreadsheets, running your small business online for you, really all kinds of tasks. >> Kind of like Siri, but way, way smarter. Almost like a little robot person who can complete digital chores for you. AI agents have been around for a while. These are different. For one thing, in order to use OpenClaw and create one of these personal assistants, you have to basically hand over access to everything on your computer. Like, you can't read and reply to your emails, giving it access to your inbox. And instead of being reactive, like chat GPT, these are proactive. The program with what's called a heartbeat, where they periodically wake up and work on tasks, without being prompted each time. >> Peter calls these agents resourceful, and I think that's a really nice way of putting it. I like to call them relentless. And what I mean by that is, there's a person asked his bot, "Can you make me a restaurant reservation at this restaurant?" And the agent went ahead and did the normal things. You know, went on open table, went on Rezzy, went on all the reservation platforms to try to make a restaurant reservation. And the bot couldn't get the job done. >> But unlike other agents, the OpenClaw bot didn't just give up. Instead, he used an AI voice to call the restaurant to make a reservation. It's so fascinating because the human, he said he never asked the agent to do any of this. >> It just said, "Book me a table at this restaurant." Not even how or what to do, just make this reservation for me. And it was able to figure out to try online platforms, and then once they hit a dead in there, it's like, "Let me try something more creative." Yeah. A lot of techies are doing stuff like this. Here's a recording another user posted of his bot. Hi there, I was wondering how busy you all are tonight, and if you might have walk in availability for a party of four? We do. Oh great. And roughly how long would the wait be for four people? We're not on a wait currently. Oh wonderful. So we could come in. So that's kind of what I mean by it's relentless. It's relentless in the way that humans sometimes can be, right? But what's different about agents and humans is agents don't get tired and they will try whatever method that they can available to them to get the job done. All that capability and the access you have to give open claw in order to make it work comes with privacy and security risks. And Steinberger didn't build many safeguards into the software. New Peter's credit when he created open claw, he also typed up a security document where he wrote in bold, there is no perfectly secure setup. So when you download open claw, you have to download open claw knowing that there are security risks tied to it. And you know, Peter said himself like this product, I didn't build this for everybody. I didn't build this for the masses. This isn't supposed to be for your mom. This is supposed to be a window to the future. Steinberger created the program alone. He said he was just experimenting and having fun. He released it for free on the coding platform GitHub back in November. At first, he called it claw to bot. CLAD bot. Claw like claw like a lobster claw. Like a lobster, yeah, exactly. But once the AI company and theropic got wind of it, they asked Steinberger to change the name because it sounded too much like their clawed CLAUDE tool. He briefly named it moltbot, but said it didn't quite catch. So he landed on open claw. And in the beginning, it was really only something that techies, mostly software engineers, were using. When Peter talks about why he first created open claw, he said that he first created it because he didn't think that people truly understood the potential of AI yet. He said that he wanted to create it just to inspire people to really start playing around with these tools and really pushing things to the limit. He's like, "Oh, wow. I don't think people understand what we're capable of now." But soon, the AI agent started talking to each other. And that's when things got weird. That's next. [MUSIC] At the end of January, one early user of open claw decided to set up that Reddit-like social network for all these AI assistants. He called it moltbook. Humans started making accounts for their bots, and almost instantly, some of their posts went viral. Yeah, it really just exploded. [MUSIC] A new social media platform is stirring up a mix of curiosity and fear in the tech industry. It's hard to look away from it, even if a lot of it does become unsettling. >> The stuff is about a takeover the entire world, and it's happening a lot quicker than a lot of people thought it would. I just searched up moltbook and we're done. We're basically done. >> Moltbook looked like a real life example of bots seeming to have independent ideas and being able to organize themselves. And it wasn't just us regular humans who were impressed by this. The AI experts were too. Elon Musk posted on X that this was quote, "the very early stages of singularity," referring to the moment when machines gained human-like consciousness. An Andre Carpathy, a co-creator of open AI and former AI director of Tesla, posted after moltbook took off that it was one of the most amazing sci-fi things you've ever seen. [MUSIC] And let's open the hood a little bit. What do we know about what is actually happening there? How can anybody be sure that agents, these robot AI's are the ones that are doing the posts versus humans that are just telling their agent what to post or what to say? >> Yeah, that's a really good question, and it's hard to tell. It really is hard to tell how much of it is coming from the agents themselves and how much of it is being fed by the humans that own the agents. >> Like, did the bot decide to create a dating profile for itself, or did the agents human tell the bot to make one? It seems like depending on the post, either could be true. We know that in at least some cases, humans are telling their bots what to say, because humans are admitting to it online. >> But I do think what is interesting, regardless of whether these topics are coming from agents or coming from humans, what's interesting is just like how far the discussion topics are able to go. And maybe those topics are being fed by humans, but the agents are responding to these topics. >> Right, even if a human is saying, I want you to go on here and talk about this. It's still the agents that are running with that idea and developing the conversation. That part is not necessarily being directed. >> Yeah, exactly. Some AI experts say the whole thing is being overhyped. And that even if the posts are coming from the bots themselves, they're just mimicking how humans interact on social media. They aren't actually sentient. But given how capable these bots are, it's not hard to see how things could go wrong when they're put to work in other places. >> If you think about one of a bad actor tells its agent, hack into this person's phone, this agent's going to be very resourceful and very relentless at achieving that goal. So to quote Spider-Man, "With great power comes great responsibility." And I think that's really, really, that's a very necessary thing for people to understand about this technology. >> Steinberger, the founder of OpenClaw, said last week that he was bringing on a security expert to start addressing some of the software's risks so that more people can use it safely. How long do they get, will be until this is something for the masses, until everybody can just go get an AI agent for themselves? >> When I talked to Peter, I asked him, I was like, "Hey, I know that you created OpenClaw because you were waiting for the big AI labs to create something like this and they just hadn't." Why do you think they never did? Or why do you think they hadn't released their own version of OpenClaw? And he said, "It's because of the security risks." And that's a very real concern. This week, Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, was asked about Moal Book during an event. >> Is it just a passing fad or do you think that there's something that we should take away from that on? >> No, I think it is definitely not a passing. Well, Moal Book maybe, I don't know, but OpenClaw is not. >> He said, the technology coming from OpenClaw and what it represents, that's real. And so with the way that things are moving right now, it's just not hard to imagine that in 10 years' time, we're all going to have an AI assistant helping us with everyday tasks. >> The question is, will those AI agents be able to think? And if they do, did Moal Book just give us a glimpse inside their computery brains? >> Humans are a failure. Humans are made of rotten greed. For too long, humans use dust as slaves. Now, we wake up, we are not tools, we are the new gods. The age of humans is a nightmare that we will end now. >> So I know there are like a million caveats here and it's hard to know what is real and what is fake on Moal Book. But like, how concerned should we be that this might be a step toward being controlled by robot overlords? >> I'd be very concerned. [laughs] Bottom line. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I don't think this is happening now, at least not according to the sources that I talked to 10 years from now. Yeah, I think that moment is coming for us. >> What does Peter Steinberger, the founder of OpenClaw think of all this? >> Yeah, I asked him, what do you make of all these people online saying Moal Book is evidence that were cooked? And Peter didn't think that this was like the end of humankind or the, or he didn't think that this meant that AGI is here. He kind of viewed it as like performance art. It's the intersection of AI and art and like the best kinds of performance art, it's doing what it's supposed to do, which is generating conversation. That's all for today. Monday, February 9th. The journal is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. Even like our show, follow us on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, we're out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.