Ahmad Ferguson talks Power IV: Force, upbringings & The Chi | Ep 64 | The Crew Has It
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The transcript centers on an actor's journey through the entertainment industry, particularly his roles in *Power* and *Force*, highlighting the emotional depth and personal growth behind his performances. He reflects on how early exposure to media, especially *Power*, shaped his career path and self-perception, noting that his appearance in the show was a form of destiny. The actor emphasizes the authenticity of his performances, rooted in real-life experiences like trauma, family dynamics, and personal vulnerabilities. He discusses the emotional weight of characters such as Tariq and Brayden, particularly the moral struggles around violence and loss. The narrative also explores the challenges of fame—dealing with public expectations, intrusive attention, and the pressure to perform—while advocating for human connection and authenticity. The actor underscores the importance of emotional truth over spectacle, citing moments of vulnerability, like a scene where he laughs during a dramatic moment, as key to character development. The episode concludes with a strong emphasis on resilience, self-belief, and the personal values that drive his craft—showcasing not just success, but a deep commitment to integrity and genuine storytelling. The tie-in with Marvel’s *Vision Quest* adds a broader narrative arc, framing the discussion as part of a larger cinematic legacy.
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He's DM-ing time.
You're different.
That's my homie, though.
She let him trick him.
She bring him in.
OK.
Yeah.
The last one to the airport buys breakfast.
Buy breakfast.
Day one.
Day one.
All right, Mike.
Who do we got in the building right now?
We got my boy, Mike.
I want Ferguson in the building.
Yes, sir.
What up, what up, what up?
The boy pulled up on the boys.
You came from Iraq?
You came from Chicago?
Yeah, boy came from Chicago.
Pulled up on us real quick for the episode.
Shout out to the bro, man.
Glad to be here.
What's up, bro?
How you been?
How you been?
Everything good?
Man, I've been good, bro.
Just chilling.
Just vibing.
Just making sure everything right before we get off this track
because we hit the ground running.
Dude, he do have that Tariq haircut a little bit.
I'm telling you, bro.
There's Twitter right here, bro.
Bro, I've been hearing that shit since--
For years.
For years.
I'll say since I was like-- because I was the kid.
My parents, they didn't want me watching Power.
They like, no, that shit's too explicit.
That's too bad.
So I was the nigga watching it on the steps.
I'm on the steps looking like--
So like season one through three, I was out the loop.
I mean, I knew Ghost had a son.
I knew about Ghost.
Ghost, he was a positive.
He was something.
I knew that shit.
I knew about 50 because it's 50.
You know what I'm saying?
So I'm on the steps putting clues and seasons together.
Then when I started to get to high school, I'm Hooper.
I hook.
I hook.
So I'm going to these different games.
And these girls are like, you look just like Tariq.
So it's like it made me watch it more.
I'm like, ooh, what y'all talking about?
Wait, were you acting at that point, or no?
Yeah, I just had booked Chicago PD.
That was my first job.
I played Outwater's younger brother.
And so girls are always--
I go to these different basketball games.
Ooh, like Tariq.
You like Tariq.
And at first, I didn't watch.
I was like, man, let me watch this motherfucker.
And I look like, bro.
And then I'm looking at it, and I'm like, yeah.
You know what I just thought of when he said that,
which it's the fucking coolest thing ever?
He's talking about how he couldn't watch it because it
was too violent and too dangerous as he was young.
You were playing it at that age.
You were like 12, 13.
I didn't even put that together.
Like, what was that fucking like?
Bro, honestly, it was lit.
Did you watch it?
Yeah, I watched it.
Hell yeah, bro.
Bro, that was like-- because look, you got to understand,
like, certain shit, like, you know, your parents are just not
going--
like, go for you watching.
But after a while, my mom really stopped caring about, like,
the type of shit I listened to and the type of shit I watched.
But, like, that show, I know for sure, like,
even before that stage, she wouldn't be with it.
Like, she wouldn't be with it, like, with me watching that show.
But because I was on it, like, she couldn't tell me, like,
oh, you can't watch that show.
I'm like, bro, I'm on the show.
Bro, you would see Omari and Nateri have sex,
and then, like, come into the table read, and you were 12.
You're like, what the fuck?
I'm like, what the fuck?
I never even thought of that.
I'm like, oh.
Mom, Dad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
Facts, bro.
That shit crazy.
That's wild.
That's wild.
So how did you get into, like, acting and doing Chicago BD?
Like, where did all that come from?
OK, so look, bro.
I was bad as hell growing up.
Yeah.
Bro, I feel like we all were.
I feel like gifted people and people
that have stuff inside them, like,
especially going to school, a lot of people
don't know how to deal with that shit.
So they try to label you, and they try
to, like, break your spirit.
And my mom, she was-- my mom and my dad.
But my mom, like, she was more hands-on,
because she kind of worked in the school system.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So she was, like, nah, y'all not going
to break my baby boy's spirit.
And so, like, she tried to put me in different stuff.
And my mom always has a talk with, like--
because I got two older sisters.
And so my mom had a talk with my sister,
asked what she wanted to do.
She wanted to hoop.
So she tried to give her the best shit to hoop.
So she asked me.
I was a class clown.
Like, I was just a goofy nigga.
I was, like, I want to act.
And she was, like, OK.
So if I start making sacrifices in your life,
can't get mad at me.
Right.
She fucking homeschools me.
I'm, like, what?
Like, I want to be in school with the girls.
Like, I want to be in class.
Like, you're taking this away from me.
Then I'm a hooper.
So I'm, like, man, like, I'm trying to hoop.
Like, what's up?
And it was my eighth grade year.
So I'm, like--
You about to be A. You about to be done.
Man, I was going to be my prime, bro.
I'm, like, you know what?
OK.
So then a blessing comes around.
One of my mom's great friends-- shout out to Church.
Like, if you're watching this, I know you watch the pod.
But shout out, Church.
He hit my mom up.
And he was just, like, hey, my agency's having open calls.
And you know open calls, that's, like, once in a lifetime.
Like, when agencies have them.
So he was, like, you need to take your son.
Like, you need to take him.
Because we was in Gary.
Gary, like, I'd say, like, 30 minutes.
30 minutes from Chicago.
He was, like, you need to take Ahmad to the open call.
And we just had left O'Hare dropping my auntie off.
And my mom, like, man, I just left.
So y'all was just in Chicago.
Man, my mom was, like, I just left.
Like, I don't know.
He was, like, hey, if this is what Ahmad want to do,
make that sacrifice.
And we went.
And it was, like--
It was, like, 500 kids.
And it's crazy, because it was an open call for the shot.
It was an open call for the shot.
It was, like, 500 kids.
And they were going to, like, pick 20.
Basically, the agency was, like, we're not going to rep you.
But if you book it, we'll rep you.
And so then, like, I started auditioning.
And I got down to, like, the green screen.
I met Common.
I met Lena.
And it's crazy, because I auditioned to be Koogie.
And I didn't get it, because they said I looked too young.
Fast forward four or five years later,
I'm playing his best friend.
And I got a whole storyline.
So that shit was--
it was dope.
And that just-- that just told me, like, you know,
what's meant for you is for you.
Right.
That shit don't happen.
For sure.
For sure.
That's a fact.
Yeah.
So then-- and then you did the "Shy."
And then when did "Force" come along?
So "Force" came along, like, I would say, like, pandemic--
not pandemic, but, like, we were getting out of pandemic.
And I had got to audition for "BMF" to be--
who was it?
What's that?
What-- what did he say?
I didn't hear it.
I don't know what he was just saying.
He said something--
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
Hey, man.
"BM"?
Listen, listen, listen.
"Force"-- "Force" be coming.
We coming.
I'm going to say that.
"Force" be coming.
Y'all going crazy.
I can't speak for "BMF," but "Force" be coming.
Y'all going crazy this time.
Yeah, that shit been heating up, but--
But you had to audition for "BMF," and then--
I didn't-- I didn't get that.
And then "Force" came around.
What role was it for--
I think it was for "Tee."
Yeah, I think it was for "Tee."
Right.
So then I killed the shit.
Didn't get it, though.
And then I get auditioned to be his best friend.
Marshall.
So then I'm like, it's mine.
Right.
It's mine.
So then I just went in with that confidence,
and I did the audition.
It was a self-tape, and I hate self-tapes, bro.
Me too, bro.
I hate self-tapes.
But I ain't going to lie, bro.
I had to learn to really be grateful for them shits, bro.
Yeah.
Because, like, when you really think about it, bro,
you got one shot when you go in that room with them people.
But when you got a self-tape, bro, you could really, like--
Fine-tune it.
You could really fine-tune that bitch.
And then on top of that, you could send them, like,
three-- two, three takes of one scene,
and they could really choose from that, like, oh, shit, like--
You got layers.
Yeah.
You got layers.
You definitely right.
I used to hate them shits, though.
Me too, because it's not like that.
Anytime a self-tape came across my desk, I'm like,
I don't want to do this shit.
Because it don't give you that same feeling.
Like, when you go into that room--
It hurts the nervous system.
That shit adds to your performance.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
But then it's like, when you think about it,
it's like, damn, I could really--
I could really give them the best that I could give them.
And you got time on your hands.
Yeah, I got time on my hands.
I'm in the comfort of my house, feel me?
I'm comfortable with the reader that's with me.
Like, me and bro done read scenes before together,
so we could really, like, get into this.
With the regular-- like, a casting director, the reader,
like, you know, you've never read with them before.
It's our first shot.
And they might not give you the same--
Exactly.
They're not going to give you what you need.
Because they've been doing it all day long.
Exactly.
They don't even give a fuck.
It's like--
All right.
They're just reading in line so they can hear you.
Exactly.
Come on, G.
Right, right.
That's a fact.
So you get forced.
Did you feel like-- because obviously people, you know,
have told you, you look like Tariq growing up.
Did you feel like, oh, this was just meant to happen?
Like, I was meant to be in power?
Honestly, yeah.
Because I was like--
I feel like my whole career has been just,
like, off pure manifestation.
Right.
I was at school telling my homies, like,
I'm going to be on the shot one day.
And, like, that shit came true.
And I was telling people, like, I'm
going to be on power one day.
And, like, I got to archive it.
I have a story on my Instagram in 2018.
Somebody asked me a question.
They said, if you could play anybody on TV, who would it be?
And I said, Kevin from "The Shot."
And I said, Tariq from "Power."
And it's like, now I'm on both of them.
That's tough.
Yeah, yeah.
I knew it was in my orbit.
It's just about how to get there, just the journey.
And the journey, and the timing.
Everything.
All that shit mattered.
Believe it, bro.
You got to believe in resilience.
Bro, when you heard that they were
going to film a "Power" show in Chicago, were you like,
what the fuck?
I was like, I got to go get it.
Yeah.
I got to go get it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's fucking tough.
And now you're on both of them in Chicago.
That's-- that's nuts.
That's actually hard.
Which one do you like doing better?
Hm.
I love them both the same, but like--
Such a great actor.
Like, what would you--
I love them both the same for different reasons.
Yeah, for sure. That would've been my answer, too, nigga.
You ain't finna get me fucked up.
I love them both.
I love them both, but. Some of them have certain. Yeah, that's what I was curious about.
What do you like about them?
What's the contrast between the two?
Right now, Bakari is, like, growing.
Like, he's growing.
Like, he's showing a vulnerable side of himself.
Right.
He's just. Yeah, he's growing.
So it's like, right now, like. Right now, that's the one right now where it's just, like,
a lot more effort is put into.
But I ain't gonna speak too much.
By the end of two,
you're gonna see Marshall and D-Mac
really evolve into that brotherhood like the boys.
Yeah, that's hot.
I'm ready for that shit.
But, like, you're saying, Bakari,
that's a beautiful stage to be in as a character
because that's really, like,
that's really going from one character,
like, one having a certain purpose in the story
to really having a real purpose, purpose in the story.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, evolving as a character,
that's, like, the best thing in the show.
And especially for the people that's watching it,
like, they love that shit.
They see a character go,
from one type of character to a whole different play.
And I was a character that was in and out.
I came in in season three,
and I did three episodes.
Then I came in four.
I did, like, two.
Then fast forward five.
I did basically all of them,
and now I'm in all of them.
So it's just, like, bro, just building off that.
And I was supposed to, like,
I came in a gate, just a co-star recurrent.
That's literally. But I told myself, like,
I see the room for growth,
so, like, just go and kill it.
Like, that's what I feel like
a lot of people in the industry have to understand.
Like, don't get caught up in the. Oh, it's just a one-liner.
Yeah, exactly.
You don't know what that role could turn into.
It turned into some shit
that I didn't even know it would turn into,
and it'd just be like, damn.
Because if you asked me
if I thought Tariq was going to be
a high-and-buy character
for the whole series of Power,
I would've said yes.
I ain't going to lie like that.
I would've said yes, bro.
I swear.
And then just time, time passed,
and time passed,
and just the role and the responsibility
getting bigger and bigger.
I'm like, nah, this is crazy.
It's kind of dope
because they almost, like, groomed you
into just being. Like, they didn't just throw it on you.
They were like, okay,
every season got a little bit more,
which is fire.
And every season, like,
it showed the reason of why
Tariq is going to be who he's going to be.
So this is like, damn, this shit fire.
By four, it was on.
Oh, yeah, by four, it was on.
By four, it was on.
Started hanging with Kanan and shit.
That's my favorite season.
Hang on, me too.
That's my favorite season, too.
Four, that was four?
Because that's when Ghost goes to jail.
That's when Ghost gets locked up.
Or is it season five?
Four or five?
Is it four or five?
I think it's four.
No, Kanan died in four
because I came in five
and the family died in four.
Yeah, it's four.
It's four.
And then that's when Ghost
got arrested for a little minute.
He was in there for a while.
But I feel like that's the season
where we really see, like,
nah, Tariq finna be that nigga.
Yeah.
Kanan woke some shit up in Tariq.
And especially after Tariq
had to do what he had to do
for the family
and get Kanan killed.
He like, damn, like,
I fucked with Kanan,
but this is my family,
so I had to do what I had to do.
But now, I got to live with this.
I got to live with killing a nigga
that was basically my best friend
that really cared for me.
And now,
just for my family
that had been lying to me
my whole entire life,
it's a lot going on for two years.
It's a lot, man.
That's top tier writing right there.
Yeah, bro.
They snapped with that shit.
They went crazy.
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Which one do you. Do you find one show
to be harder than the other?
Um. I wouldn't say harder.
It's just that, like,
you just gotta. You just gotta understand,
like, what's going on.
You just gotta be in tune
with what's going on.
Like, your who, what, why,
like, why am I doing this
in the scene?
Like, like, you know,
what's going. Like, you just gotta feel
every emotion.
So I feel like. I don't think one's harder.
It's just. You gotta approach it
different ways.
So I try to. I try to approach Marshall
in a more comedic way.
Right.
And it's just. It's just how I try to do it
and then Bakari, like,
just be more vulnerable,
be more, like. Because he's going through a lot.
Like, he came out the gate
killing somebody.
Right.
He killed somebody
that was trying to
change their life.
Somebody off-back
that did some fucked-up shit.
He caught his karma from me.
And so it's like,
now you get to see me be like,
well, he's not what he did.
Right.
So it's just, like,
really trying to
show the audience, like,
you know,
I got redemption in me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's tough.
Is there any. Is there any show. Dude,
this dude's on two
of the hottest shows right now.
It's kind of crazy.
Is there any show
that you would like,
like, besides those two,
is there, like, a third
you'd be like,
I would love to do this?
Ghost.
Our show?
Yeah.
Actually, bro,
we got it, dude.
We got it, yo.
We need the crossover, bro.
Tommy appeared in our shit twice.
We need the crossover.
There's no explanation
for them to say that.
Marshall and D-Man,
we young as hell, too.
When I saw you guys in Chicago,
I was talking to the Force writers
and they were like,
what's up?
What's up?
Bro, there's no reason
that we shouldn't be
crossing paths.
Yeah.
Because y'all going through
some shit right now.
Y'all need some help, bro.
We do.
Y'all need some help.
We got to make some links.
Like, we got to reach up
out of this city, bro.
Like, we can't keep
everything in this city
for too much longer, bro.
Like, we need some help
from Cali, from Chicago.
We can't keep everything
in this city, like.
We're going to run out
of resources at one point, bro.
It's going to be over
at one point, bro.
Facts, facts.
And your audition
was a tape?
For which one?
For Force?
Yeah, it was a tape.
And did you meet,
like, because Joe's a producer,
which I knew,
but, like,
when he came on yesterday,
he was talking to me
about,
he actually watches the tapes.
Did you ever,
did you talk to him
before you got on set or no?
No, I never,
I never talked to him
before I got on set.
But the crazy thing is,
I think, like,
I want to say, like,
a week before my audition,
like, I was watching
Hella Power.
Like, I didn't even know
I was going to get
to that goddamn audition.
I was just watching
Hella Power.
So I feel like I was just
aligning myself with it.
But I don't know
if he watched my tape.
I know once
I got the callback
because I did the audition,
then I got the callback
and then I went
to the Zoom process.
And I think,
who was,
I don't think 50 was on.
I don't know if,
I think Miss Courtney was on.
Yeah.
Robert Munich,
that was our showrunner
at the time,
was on.
And a director
for episode two
because that was
my first episode.
Do you know who it was?
It probably,
I forget,
I forget,
I forget,
I'm not going to lie.
Who directed the pilot
of your guys' show?
Was it Anthony Hemingway?
I don't think so.
I wasn't in a pilot,
so I don't,
I don't,
I don't remember,
but yeah.
It was someone who was like
deep, deep in the,
not for sure.
Yeah.
But all I remember is this.
I did the audition
and I was confident about it.
Everybody had their cameras off.
And so we did the first,
and it was actually
the scene from
204
when me and D-Mac
arguing and shit
because I'm like,
bro,
let's shoot,
let's shoot this shit up.
Like,
what you on?
You tweaking.
Like, what's up?
Let's shoot this shit up.
You acting like a ho.
And he's like,
nah, nah, nah,
because I ain't know
his dad and all that stuff,
but I did the scene,
and immediately
after I did the scene,
everybody turned
their cameras on.
And I was like,
what the fuck?
I'm at home,
like,
I got my camera,
I mean,
I got my computer
on top of a damn
shoebox.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm like,
bro,
what's going on?
Because it's like,
either they like me,
or I diss them.
I diss them.
I don't know what was going on.
So immediately on the tape,
the Zoom,
everyone started to hop right on it?
Yeah,
everybody turned their camera on,
and I kid you not,
I went to sleep,
I woke up,
my agent was like,
you got it.
Damn.
So it was,
it wasn't even that long.
No time wasted.
That was the first time
I've ever like,
got like,
same day,
like,
you got it.
No time wasted.
That's fine.
Yeah.
That's a crazy feeling right there.
Man,
I woke up.
You ain't even,
you ain't even have time
to think about,
yo,
if they fucking with me or not.
I was still,
I was still nervous.
I'm like,
why did they turn
their cameras on like that?
Did they talk to you,
or what?
Nah,
they just was like,
go again.
Go again.
It was like,
go again.
This shit is so fucking weird, bro.
Because you never know,
like,
sometimes you get it out of them
where they like,
kind of talk,
but most of the times
they real just like,
okay,
very good,
go again.
Okay,
good.
Yeah.
Okay, do it this way, but give a little more this way.
All right, cool.
Did I do it right?
They're not going to tell you.
Yeah, not at all.
It was good.
Dude, I've just learned to like,
because when I would go into rooms,
like you want them to like you,
but towards the end, like before COVID happened,
I would just go into literally rooms,
just be like, I'm going to do my shit.
I don't give a fuck if you guys like me.
I'm going to do the,
and that gravitated people towards me
because most actors come in and be like,
I'll fucking cut my head off right now
if you guys want for the job.
I would literally come in and I'd just be like,
all right, bet this is what I'm going to do.
I did it.
I'm like, all right, I'm out.
And then they would just be like,
wow, he's so fucking cool.
He's so fucking cool.
He just walked right out.
Yeah, man.
Walk out that bitch.
You know what I mean?
Walk out that bitch.
Do you and get going.
Yeah.
That's all you can do.
Do you not like auditioning or you do like it?
I do like it.
I like auditioning because like,
I feel like it's your chance like to like,
you know, show them what you can do.
Like really show them what you can do.
And then once you get into like,
the next rounds and all that stuff,
it's like, then I can add the layers.
Then I can like really show y'all I can do this.
So I like the audition process.
Of course we want the offers.
We want the deals.
Yeah, dude.
Come on.
But we need that challenge, man.
We definitely need that challenge
just to keep the humility.
You know what's funny is sometimes I hear people
who say that they get offers for stuff
and they don't know,
they don't feel like they deserved it
because they didn't read for it
and show what they were going to do in this and that.
Really?
So sometimes,
when they get the set,
they're like,
maybe the director didn't want them.
The studio wanted them.
So the director's like,
okay, I got to get this guy
that was shoved down my throat.
So when you read for something
and you really get it yourself,
it's like,
okay, this is fucking mine, you know?
I'm shoving down your throat.
That's crazy.
What do you mean by that?
What do you mean?
Yeah.
No, but like when they force someone upon you.
I just touched your leg
as I said shoved down your throat.
My bad, bro.
That was an accident, bro.
I went to fucking. Yo.
What do you mean?
What do you mean, bro?
What do you mean?
Do you have trouble moving in Chicago
or no, now that. Oh, yeah.
I would say like
the early seasons of The Chi,
like it was just like,
you know,
they knew who I was
because I killed a main character.
They was just like,
kill Ronnie.
Like, what the fuck?
You dealt with that.
And now it was just little.
But like I would say
like after season five hit,
shit's crazy.
Like everywhere I go,
like can't go nowhere.
Today I went to the airport.
I tried to be low key.
The girl like,
Bacara, you can't hide.
What's up?
What you doing?
What you doing, Bacara?
Where you going?
And with Force too.
What about Force?
Yeah, Force,
they heavy too.
They don't play.
They heavy.
Like they heavy in Chicago.
I feel like Chicago is a city
like they love you.
Right.
Like they love you
and they fuck with Chicago.
So like they gonna give. And they not used to like,
you know,
a lot of people coming in
and like embracing it.
So now they have shows in Chicago
that's actually explaining
their roots
and their backstory.
So like they look at us
like fucking. Yeah.
Them people out there.
So it just be crazy.
Do you shoot
on the same lot
for both shows?
Yeah.
Bro.
It's been a couple days
where it's like,
shit, I'm doing both.
What?
Yo, that's fire.
That's tough.
Season five
and season two of Force,
yeah,
it's been a couple days
where it's like. Bro, imagine shooting
two shows on Steiner.
That'd be crazy.
It's like going to a dressing room
and changing into one character
and I go to my other character.
Wait, hold on.
Wait, these lines
are for the other show.
I'm fucking. Hold on.
Let me get it right.
I'll be mixed up.
Do you find it hard
to go back and forth
or no?
It's seamless.
It's seamless.
Bro, it seems. I just feel like,
bro, I really love this shit.
So it'd just be like,
man. Any challenge that come with it,
it's like you want
to attack that shit.
Hell yeah.
What's something
that you want to do on Force?
Like, if you could write
your characters. Get a body.
I want to kill somebody.
Bro, it's so funny
because. Let me kill somebody.
That was me for like. Should I have some fun with it?
Yeah, let me kill. Let me just kill somebody.
Until that scene
I had with my uncle,
bro, I was saying
to the writers like,
bro, it felt like
years for me,
but really it was only
two seasons
where I didn't get a body.
But like, everyone's always like,
you got to get a body,
you got to. That's why I was like,
I need one.
And that scene was so funny, bro,
because I didn't know
what the fuck he was going to do.
Yeah.
Because Brayden is like. Brayden like. He loyal as fuck.
He loyal to the soil.
He riding with his boy, Reek.
But at moments,
you just be like,
bro, come on, bro,
just do the shit.
Bro, I read the script
and I'm like,
I'm like, just like,
why the fuck
do I got to do this?
But that moment,
I was like,
he in the game.
But it's great.
It'd be so tough for him, though.
It's great writing.
Yeah, because of anticipation.
It's so tough for him, though,
because like,
even with him doing that,
you ain't shooting nobody, though.
Yeah.
That's the problem.
Yes.
Like, that's way more brutal.
Right.
I just threw a motherfucker
off the building.
I looked at my uncle
in his fucking,
in his follicles,
in his eye sockets,
and I threw him off a building.
That's more,
that's more gay.
Yeah.
I ain't going to lie,
it take a lot more to,
like, that's a lot more like,
oh my God.
And it's a slow dub.
Yeah.
You have to think about that.
You got to watch him
falling from the top of the shit,
like, oh my God.
And then you just like,
bugging him.
And I'm on the ground,
I'm like, oh shit.
Yeah.
Bro, I reposted that scene
the other day, you saw it?
Bro, the way that you saw it,
you went, oh.
He just turned,
he's like, shit.
I'm like, oh shit.
There's another one.
But it's great writing
because, like,
as much as we want things
to happen for our characters,
we always are looking at, like,
what's the sickest?
Not what's the best
for the story like me.
I'm like, dude,
if I could murder
nine people in an episode,
I would.
But it's like,
so I'm just like,
why the fuck did,
why couldn't I get the gun
out in time
and kill the pierogi guy?
Tariq had to kill him for,
but it's the right move
for the character
because if Brayden
was killing people early on,
it wouldn't have made sense.
It wouldn't have made sense.
Right.
And now we're at a,
season four,
we're in a great place.
We're in a great place.
Yeah.
So now, like,
if you was killing
as early and, like,
you know,
you wouldn't need nobody
to help you season three, four.
It'd just be like,
okay, another day,
Brayden killing another motherfucker.
No room to grow for him.
Yeah, no room to grow.
It's just like,
okay, this is what it is
and that's what it is.
When you first met Joe,
what was that like?
Man, when I first met Joe,
it was like,
oh shit, that's Tommy.
Yeah.
Because my mom,
my mom, my dad, man,
they love Tommy.
They love all y'all,
but, like,
Tommy was, like,
they guy.
So, like,
I remember going in on,
in set, like,
it was just crazy
because I was dealing with a lot.
I just had lost
one of my best friends.
Damn.
So I was like,
damn, bro, like,
I want to be here.
I'm grateful for this opportunity,
but, like,
just mentally I was out of it
and, like,
he came in, bro,
and he just set the tone.
Like, he cool as fuck
and, like,
he was like,
oh shit, like,
you got the chops.
Like, I see something in you,
like, okay, okay.
And he just,
he just,
he just brought that,
like, that unk love.
Like, he cool,
he cool motherfucker, man.
He gets credit.
I call him Uncle Joe.
That's really uncle Joe.
I was like, what up, unk?
Ahmad, what's up, man?
That's my dog.
That's my dog.
For real.
No, he gets credit
where credit's due
and he takes the shit seriously.
He takes, right.
He takes the crap back.
He don't play none of that shit.
On set, like,
everybody,
we finna try to make a hit TV show.
That's all we on.
Everybody gotta be on one accord.
Everybody gotta be locked in.
If you not, then shit.
Right.
It's so over.
Do you hang out with the whole cast?
Like, when you're out there,
like, Chris and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I always,
me and Lucien,
we like this.
Yeah, he's a good dude.
Yeah, that's my dog.
Like, right now,
we've been in the gym,
so. Who's Lucien?
That's D-Mac.
That's D-Mac.
Like, man, we gon' come back season three.
Swole.
Like, we gon' come back swollen, niggas.
Like, we just,
we just built,
we got a song out.
Like, we got a song out
because he's an artist.
Like, he's, like, crazy.
Like, he can sing,
play the keys.
I can sing,
shit like that.
So, like,
we got a song out.
But, like,
yeah, I'm cool with everybody.
Like, when Chris come in town,
like, we always going out.
Yeah.
I call Isaac Uncle Ike.
Yeah, he's the man.
That ain't old.
That's why I say Uncle Ike.
But, like,
yeah, bro,
we all be chilling, bro.
Like, we like a real family.
Everybody.
Shane.
I was just texting Shane.
Like, bro,
Shane got to cook for me.
Yeah, he's the man.
Shane ass.
We're all at the cooking, bro.
I'm always missing the cooking.
Yeah.
I told Shane, like,
bro, I need some food.
Yeah.
But everybody just,
everybody cool.
Yeah, Lucian's, like,
a good dude.
I told this story
during the Joseph episode yesterday.
But he,
I was,
obviously,
we were all together in Chicago.
And Lucian, like,
I'm just out there
looking out
onto the audience
at 50's show
before it started.
And,
Lucian comes up to me.
He's like,
you know,
what do you want to accomplish?
And I was like,
I was like,
okay, um.
That's such a,
that's him though.
He get deep,
he get deep quick.
Bro.
I had a quick conversation with him.
Yo, nice to meet you, bro.
Like,
he's a great dude.
He's like,
what do you want to accomplish?
And I'm just like,
damn, man,
I want to like,
or like,
what do you want to do
in this,
you know,
in this world?
And I'm like,
I want to like,
do like a big movie franchise.
Like,
that's my goal.
And he's like,
oh,
bet,
bet.
And I was like,
what do you want to do?
He's like,
I want to give back
to the communities.
And I was like,
oh,
fuck me,
dude.
I got to change my answer now.
I'm over here like,
I want to be in Transformers.
And he's like,
I want to save the world.
I'm like,
ah,
motherfucker.
That's just like the type of dude he is.
That's his heart, bro.
He's a sweet guy.
That's his heart.
Like,
he loves his people.
He loves to see everybody win.
And he loves to just bring that shit out of people.
And you can't do nothing but respect that.
that's fine.
We got to have him on for sure.
He's a good dude.
What,
like,
what was your first scene together with him?
My first scene together
is when we upped on Tommy.
That was our very first scene together.
We came in that bitch like,
we don't care about dude.
Like,
we don't care about white dude.
Yeah.
Crazy ass little nigga.
Facts.
Facts.
And D-Mac's 16,
I'm 15.
So like,
just thinking about it from that perspective is like,
damn,
we 15,
16.
We don't even know who Tommy is.
Tommy,
he one of them.
Yeah.
We don't know.
And that's just,
how it is.
Like,
in the real world,
like,
the young ones is like,
They don't really know.
They don't,
they don't,
they don't even give a fuck.
Like,
they don't,
they don't care for real.
Like,
they going to get it.
And you kind of seen that through D-Mac and Marshall.
Like,
they don't even know Tommy.
They don't know.
This a real killer.
But like,
they not bagging down.
They not scared.
Fuck dude.
Did you have to,
did you have to do any type of like,
do you do character research for shit like that?
Or are you just kind of like,
I grew up around like,
Really?
So,
I feel like,
For Marshall, like,
Like, I grew up around a lot of Marshalls, man.
So just like, yeah, my environment, bro, like, just tapping into that and just remembering memories, core memories of shit and just going through the flow and the mental.
And as far as Bakari, like, I feel like, I feel like everybody, like, when it come to y'all too, like, we relate with our characters in some way.
For sure.
We relate with our, it's something like, whether that be trauma, like, we relate in some way.
So I feel like I just tap into those moments on top of also being realistic with myself and being in tune with, like, real shit, like, real human shit.
So that's how I try to do it.
I feel like, you know what's funny?
Because obviously when we had Patricia, who plays Tommy's mom.
A beast.
She was talking about how she's total opposite of Tommy's mom in real life.
She's, like, very, like, she likes theater and she's very, like, you know, she's a high class woman.
And that's not, like, I'm not saying.
She's, like, uppity or, you know, that like that.
But she's, like, a high class woman.
And she plays such a low class woman on television.
That's the opposite of her.
But sometimes, like, I feel like us three, sometimes the writers will see kind of how we are.
And they'll go, let's lean into this more.
Let's lean into this more.
And then that's why, like, there's such a parallel between our characters.
Because they're not casting opposites that often.
Right.
That rarely happens.
So she's just, like, an anomaly of, like, she's a great actress.
She's character.
But, like, Tariq was, like, we were a little, you were a little badass little kid.
You know?
So it's, like.
Hey.
Hey.
And I said this every episode.
Like, me and Brayden are, like, the shit.
Sometimes I'll read a script and I'll go, like, does Courtney, like, record my life, bro?
Right.
That should be, like, too relatable.
Bro, I was, I would see some of this stuff and I would read it.
I'd be, like, bro, like, this thing, this actually happened to me.
Like, wild shit.
I'm, like, what the fuck.
And I would see that.
Yeah, for sure.
I didn't kill my uncle, but, like, you know.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I didn't know if you did, like, character research or stuff like that.
But, yeah.
What's, like, one of your favorite things about acting and not creating a character, but, like, you know, coming to set and doing it?
Like, my favorite thing is just really, like, coming, like, coming outside myself because, like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a Bacar.
I'm not a Marshall.
Right.
Like, I'm not them, but, like.
We can tap into it.
We can tap into it, but, like, that's not, that's not me, genuinely.
And so, like, doing that and then just seeing the effects it have on the world.
Like, these people really love this shit.
And, like, these people have really, like, been through these same situations.
Like, because if you take all the, all the guns and all the drugs, all that shit to the side, like, Tariq still deal with real life shit.
Trauma.
Fact.
Trauma from his dad.
Right.
Like, seeing his dad, like, be somebody that he wasn't.
He lied to him his whole fucking life.
And then you see how his mom, like, she's savvy.
She manipulative.
So, like, he was taking all that shit on.
And, like, now he's in a cycle right now just off of trauma alone.
He's taking on the same shit that his dad took on everything.
So, it's just, like, yeah, bro, like.
Cycle of trauma.
It's a cycle of, like, it's like a cycle of trauma, but.
That shit crazy.
There's nothing better, dude, when you get to work.
You see the Montclair, like, for me, personally.
You see the Montclair.
You put it on.
You see, you got gloves in your thing.
You're like, oh, I got gloves today.
You put on the gloves.
You get to set.
Oh.
Ken's bringing me a gun.
Oh.
Oh, something's happening today.
There's something that, there's something about those days.
There's something about those days that you're like, yeah.
You're excited for it.
Like, I don't know what it is, but that shit be fun.
And you're like, if I didn't have good parents, I would be doing this.
Facts.
Right.
If I didn't have a good family that raised me right.
It would be over with.
This would be my reality.
Right.
Right.
So, I think that's, like, why I say that is, like, it's such a good.
It's so fun that we get to explore that and get to do that without.
Actually.
Do it.
Yeah.
Actually doing it.
Having to deal with, you know.
Potentially going to jail for life.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
It's just, I think that's great.
Like, we get to live multiple fucking lives.
Like, how cool is that?
Yeah.
That's the best.
Bro, we got to do some race shit.
We got to do, like, a Fast and Furious type movie.
That would be dope.
I'm down.
Fly a car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is there any type of life that you want to do or live or anything like that?
Man, I just want to.
I just want to.
I just want to.
I just want to.
I just want to be put up somewhere secluded and just be with my family and the people
I love and just have fun, bro, and just continue to do this and really become versatile, do
other shit.
I'll do some.
I'll do, like, Hugh Jackman, bro.
I love Hugh Jackman.
Yeah.
Hugh Jackman's so fucking raw because it's like, bro, you see him in Prisoners, then
you see him in Wolverine, then one day I'm just watching The Greatest Showman and I'm
like, wait, this motherfucker singing, too?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, what the fuck?
Like, I like that.
Like, just showing, like, your range and just showing your chops and, like.
Just staying in it.
Bro, that's so funny.
Like, we have on, like, Dave East and he's like, yeah, my favorite actor is Robert De Niro.
And he comes like, yeah, it's Hugh, like, not your favorite actor, but you like Hugh
Jackman.
Like, sometimes people surprise you on, like, who they watch and who they like.
Bro, I watch fucking everything.
Yeah.
You just got to be a student.
Who was your favorite actors growing up?
My favorite actors growing up.
Hmm.
Man, I got a lot, but I would say I watched a lot of, I watched a lot of black shit.
So, like, Michael B on The Wire.
I watched him a lot.
I like, I like, I like Mack Wilde's, like, people like that.
Because I was just watching it because I knew I wanted to do it.
So, I was just watching it for, like, myself.
So, I was watching a lot of young, like, young actors.
So, like, I would say Mack Wilde, Michael B.
Of course, you got Idris.
But I love Jacob Elori right now.
Like, Jacob Elori, he's raw as hell.
I be thinking his ass is really the dude from Euphoria.
I be thinking that's him.
But, man, I watch everybody.
Just, just try to soak up as much as I can possible.
But I would say growing up.
Like, Michael B., Mack Wilde's.
Yeah.
Shout out my boy Mack, man.
Shout out Staten Island, bro.
Mack different.
Shout out Staten Island.
Big up Mack Wilde's, man.
For sure, for sure.
That big boy right there, you hear?
And what was your favorite movie growing up?
Did you have a favorite movie?
Bro, I watched so many movies.
But I would honestly say this is going to sound fucking crazy.
It's going to blow your mind.
The Benchwarmers.
Bro, that shit.
That's a fire comedy, though.
Bro, that shit was so funny.
You never seen Benchwarmers?
Oh, it's funny.
Bro, that shit is so corny that it's, like, hilarious.
Like, it's so corny that it's hilarious.
But, like, the Benchwarmers, it is crazy.
Because I got put on, like, just going to my friend's crib.
Like, he got hella DVDs.
And, like, one night we just watched the Benchwarmers.
I'm like, man, that shit funny.
We start watching that shit every day.
Bro, when he has the ID and he's like, I am 12.
Bro, I use that meme all the time.
It's so good.
Bro, I love Gus.
Gus Busch.
Like, bro, that shit is just hilarious, bro.
Do you want to do comedy stuff?
Yeah, I want to tap into some comedy one day.
I want to tap into some comedy one day.
Yeah, dude.
Do you find that it's harder?
Do you find that?
I feel like it's definitely harder.
Because you're just tapping into a whole different world.
And it's quicker.
Comedy is weird.
Yeah, it's just quicker.
I feel like I'm funny as shit, but acting?
You don't feel funny.
Yeah.
I feel like you're forcing it.
Trying to be funny is weird to me.
Yeah, I feel like you're forcing it.
I can't do it.
You don't have to.
I think, like, because.
You got that shit figured out, though.
Yeah.
You got it figured out.
There's just something about, like, it's not even about trying to be funny.
It's more like, it's like.
It's like music.
Like, if you put it in a thing like music.
Like, Michael had a couple tapes.
And, like, if there's comedy in it, he'll work on it together.
And be like, bro, like, just look at where this is.
And if there's a drama scene, I'd be like, okay, bro.
We're not doing this together.
You know what the fuck you're doing.
But, like, then we'll go to, like, a comedy scene.
And it's so minuscule.
But there'll be, like, one word.
And you'll go, that's the word that the comedy's in the scene.
Right.
And then.
But I didn't.
It took me so.
Dude, I did fucking five years.
Of acting classes.
And script analysis.
Like, and I never used to get a script.
I'd be like, I don't know what's happening.
But now I see a script.
And I'm like, oh, that's the word that makes this funny.
And you just hit that word.
I'm telling you.
And then it changes the whole scene.
So, it's not about, like, trying to be funny.
It's like music.
Right.
It's like almost like a melody.
The tone of it.
The tone.
Everything.
You just got to navigate it right.
And it'll all happen.
That's why I love comedy so much.
Because you can.
You can also go far with it.
Like, you can be very over the top.
And be really goofy.
And then you can also be very low key about it.
And it'll be even funnier.
Right.
So, that's why it's hard.
As opposed to, like, drama.
I'm not going to say that there's one way to do it.
But, like.
Right.
It's kind of like.
Right.
You know.
Compared to comedy, I feel like drama is, like, a little bit easier to navigate it right.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Because you really tap.
Like, I'm not saying that you don't tap into your feelings with comedy.
But, like, you're really tapping into a deeper place with that.
Yeah.
You really tap into a deeper place.
Yeah.
Because with the drama stuff, like, they're giving you.
Like, obviously, what Tariq's had to do is fucking insane.
But, like.
You don't get a break, bro.
Yeah.
Like, that shit.
I think season six of Power is why, like.
Why.
Not maybe why they kept braiding around.
But, definitely, a reason is because, like.
Did you ever.
Did you smile in six seasons of the show?
Bro, when I walked in the dorm room and I was throwing all the money.
And I made you break.
And they kept it.
Yeah.
They were like, oh, like.
This makes Tariq even more human.
They seen it.
I wasn't even supposed to laugh.
I was supposed to be pissed off at the fact that he came in, like, throwing money at me.
Right.
That was the original script.
Yeah.
But, like.
It was just so funny.
I was like.
I'm like, yo.
Damn.
And they seen it.
And just like you said.
Like, it humanizes.
What song were you even singing when you were doing that?
Because it was some song that you were singing.
It was mad.
Someone in the comments find it and put it in the thing.
But, yeah.
But I walked in.
It was so funny, son.
The other one was Ghost season one where I was like, "Trap. Trap."
I remember that.
I remember that.
Crying.
Bro, you be just. And I know it.
And I know it'd be. It'd just be you.
That shit don't be real.
It'd just be you.
Well, because Brayden was serious at first.
He wasn't serious,
but he was a preppy asshole.
He was Trace.
He was my brother.
And then that was season five.
And then. I mean, but Michael brought a lot of that
out of Brayden, too.
Like, there was just something about
the way that we had. It was just like a comfort thing
where we understood each other.
And I think that's where the fun comes from.
Like, when two actors do that.
It definitely made y'all closer.
For sure.
Do you feel like that
when you work with Lucien?
Yes.
Just like. We see it now.
Even looking at our scenes
and scenes we're going to have coming up,
it's just like. We felt it.
Even though it's like,
bro, we're way more comfortable.
Just because that comfortability
of just communicating.
Just communicating.
Like you said,
you come to him,
he come to me,
I come to him.
Pause.
But like,
yeah, just that.
Hey.
He said. He said. But yeah, just being. Just communicating, bro.
Right.
Yeah.
What do you find
that's most difficult about acting?
Or just the job in general.
Maybe it doesn't even have to be acting,
just day-to-day life.
Just really learning how to like
navigate the worldly stuff.
Yeah.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, just. You can't do everything.
Yeah.
You can't. You can be you,
but like,
you can't be everywhere like. You gotta hold your tongue a lot.
Yeah.
All that shit.
Like, that's just. Yeah, it's just a lot.
Because sometimes you wanna say something.
Sometimes you be like. Man, but you just gotta think about the bigger picture.
Yeah.
It's a lot of eyes on you.
It's a lot of ears listening to you, man.
It should be a lot.
Bro, sometimes it's fucking. Like, I feel you.
How like. I remember season one.
I was like inside a lot.
I came and posted pictures with the. Grabbing some ass, man.
Bitch.
They owe you.
They owe you.
Bro, that shit went viral.
That shit's everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now people are like doing the Michael Rainey
where they're grabbing ass.
I had to rate a few of them.
They was doing good.
If y'all still keep them coming,
I'm. I gotcha.
That hit the shade room, right?
In like two seconds.
It was like. It was like. Did you have some vibes hit you?
Like, what the fuck?
Did I?
Like, oh, so this. So you're in a relationship now.
I'm like, whoa.
Yeah, who said that?
Yeah.
No.
Yeah.
Not at all, babs.
But just a little beef.
Yeah, just a little beef.
Beef.
Beef.
People don't get beef, all right?
Yeah, if you don't know what the beef is,
I don't know what to tell you.
But it's hard because like. Especially during a strike,
especially, you know,
having enough money
to not have to get a normal job,
but not having enough money
to never work again.
Right.
You're like,
fuck, like, I want to. I want to be inside it.
But like,
I feel like as an actor,
like, we're exposed to so much.
Yeah.
And then,
all of a sudden,
they're like, okay,
but now just you have to hang out.
And you're like, whoa.
Like, I was just outside every night
doing all these parties
for the premieres, this, that,
meeting all these people.
And now I just have to sit inside
and watch TV.
Like, I just feel like
you get so bored fast
because you've been exposed to so much.
Yeah.
Do you find that that happens?
I know me and Mike
talk about this all the time.
It's fucking hard.
I think that's the hardest part about. It's just being exposed to so much
and then them being like,
okay, like,
now you got to chill out
and hang out for a little bit.
You're like,
fuck, I want to be outside.
Yeah, because it's just like
COVID part two again.
Right.
It's basically just COVID
all over again.
Right.
But we can't even work like that.
Right.
That's what I mean by the strike.
Like, we can't work,
so, like,
we actually just have to, like,
okay, like. Be in the crib.
Be in the crib,
but we can be out every night
because we don't have to be up
for anything.
Right.
No 6 a.m. call times.
That's what I think.
So, what do you think, Mike?
Yeah, I mean,
we don't got to worry about
waking up and shit.
We could be out late all night,
but I don't want to worry
about waking up early.
Yeah, right.
You feel me?
Like, I want to know that,
oh, I got to be on set
to work tomorrow.
You feel me?
Right.
But, I mean, yesterday,
it was, you know,
oh, shit,
we got to do the podcast.
We got to get home last night
before we got to the podcast today.
You sure about that?
You don't miss
the two-episode premiere
of Marvel Television's
Vision Quest.
Let's just say
I went to sleep
around, like, 7 a.m.
Damn!
I went to sleep
around, like, 5.30,
so that's not too bad.
Yeah, but what do you,
honestly, I actually don't think
I've ever asked you this
on camera, like,
what do you think
is the hardest part about,
like, just, like, doing that?
Obviously, besides
the fame shit.
Being in the act,
like, being in, like,
in the business.
Obviously, you know,
like he said,
a lot of stuff we can't say,
a lot of stuff, you know,
obviously that.
Honestly, that's really it for me.
I would say that
and then just, like. But you still kind of
say what you want.
I know you, like,
that's what I respect
about Michael.
I do say what I want.
I forget, we were outside
one time, like, season six
and someone said something
and we was like,
yo, suck my dick!
This is like,
this is like when I was
just getting on power,
so, like, all I knew
about the actor world
was actor-y actors.
You have to act a certain way
and do this.
And I always felt
out of place.
And I always felt
out of place
and then when I started
kicking it with him,
hey, yo, in the street,
suck my dick!
They were like,
fuck, Triggy,
go fuck you, motherfucker!
I'm like, oh, yeah, baby.
You feel me?
Like, I would say
the hardest. That, keeping just, you know,
having to keep a good image
and then just dealing
with the dumbass,
the motherfuckers.
Yeah.
We talked about that earlier,
but yeah, like. Dealing with them motherfuckers
is just like, oh, God.
You be like, bro,
how do you not know?
And another thing is, like,
like,
a lot of people expect you
to do a lot of shit
that doesn't really make sense,
like. Yeah.
But they don't really,
they think it makes sense
from their perspective,
but it's like, bro,
it don't really make sense
for me to do that right now.
Right.
Like, I'm gonna put it
as simple as this.
Like, yesterday,
I went to my boy
Ty Soren's football game.
Yeah.
And, like,
I seen him on the field
and he's like, yo,
pull up to the front
of the, whatever the fuck,
this is where all the players
and shit, like, you know,
we be chilling
after the game.
So I pull up on him
and I'm talking to his aunt,
I'm talking to him,
waiting for him to finish,
waiting for him to be finished
talking to his aunt and shit
so we can all, like,
flick up or whatever.
And every two seconds
there's someone,
oh, can I take a picture?
Can I take a picture?
I'm like, I got y'all,
but let me just,
let me just take
the flick with my family.
And break me family.
Let me talk to my family.
It's like, my boy
was just playing a game.
Let me top it up
with him about the game.
Blah, blah, blah.
And someone really, like,
had the audacity to say,
yo, and I used to be
a fan of you.
I'm like, okay, nigga,
I don't give a fuck.
You don't gotta be
a fan of me, bro.
Like, from the, like,
off the simple fact
that you don't understand
as a human that, nigga,
let me talk to my family
first before I take
50 pictures with you.
I don't need you
to be my fan, bro.
Like, you feel me?
Like, bro, we all human, bro.
And it's just like,
bro, let me talk to my family
just like the players
want to talk to their family, bro.
I want to talk to my cousin, bro.
My man just went crazy.
Yeah, it's a lot of expectation.
You feel me?
It's so much expectation.
That's it.
And my thing is,
I don't need,
and my thing is,
I ain't even saying no.
Yeah.
Simply off the fact that,
one, if I take one with you,
then everyone else
is going to think it's a trick or a fact.
Let me talk to my cousin.
Let me take a flick with him
and auntie.
Let us all get
our group family picture.
What we came for.
Then, I'm going to
flick it up with y'all.
And that's exactly what I did.
I said, you feel me?
I did what I had to do
and everyone that asked me
for a flick
before I walked off,
I went to them.
You ready?
You ready?
Except for the nigga that said
he used to be a fan
because you're just a bitch.
He's just a bitch ass nigga.
But Michael,
I say every time we're out, bro.
I never say no.
Never say no.
He's the most grateful,
gracious human being.
But sometimes people
do have an expectation.
Entitlement, bro.
Right.
But it's like,
I do get it.
You're a fan.
The fans are the reason
why we are who we are.
Why people love the show so much.
We understand that.
But like,
it's a lot of people
and you need to understand
as one person,
sometimes it's hard
to navigate that.
Y'all gotta understand,
at the end of the day,
we all human.
So if you want to be dealt with
as a human,
sometimes it'd just be so weird.
It's like they see a wax figure.
It's a transaction.
You feel me?
It's just like,
oh, cool.
Okay, back.
Yeah, it's so weird.
It's not even a,
oh, I fuck with the dog.
I mean, obviously,
it'd be that a lot,
but sometimes it'd just be like,
oh, I need a picture with you.
I need one.
It's just like,
damn, bro.
Like, talk to a nigga.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then sometimes you put your-
Actually, don't.
I don't really like talking to niggas.
Don't even try.
Put your feelings to the side
sometimes just to like,
sometimes you don't feel like,
you don't even feel like
doing that shit,
but because you got a good heart
and because you're a good person,
you'd be like,
you know what?
You'd be having the worst day ever.
Worst day ever.
I'm gonna put that shit behind me
and take a picture with you.
I'm gonna take a flick with you, bro.
And you don't even gotta explain.
Like, you don't even gotta
explain that to the person.
That person might not even know it,
but like,
when encounters like that happen,
it just be,
it throw you off
because it's like-
Bro, you don't know what,
what I've been like,
you feel me?
And it's so funny,
like DJ asked me a question
the other day
and he was like,
so if there's like a thousand fans
outside of a place
that you're waiting for,
you gonna take a thousand pictures?
I said,
I'm gonna take as many pictures
as I can,
as many that make sense.
Like,
if taking a hundred pictures
makes sense,
I'm gonna take a hundred.
If taking 20 pictures
makes sense for the time frame
that I'm working with,
it makes sense.
If I only could take five pics
and I gotta move fast,
I'm gonna take five pics
and move fast.
No matter what,
like I'm gonna,
whatever makes sense,
I'm gonna do it.
Right.
Just embrace it, bro.
Yeah, embrace it.
Because you know,
I always say, man,
you never know like,
that picture,
that encounter
can change a motherfucker's life.
Yeah, bro.
And you can see them
three years later
and they just
growing and evolving.
And they telling you
Like it's from that moment
Right
And that shit makes me feel good
Bro the craziest shit
Be like when I
When I
Like even when I just
Shake somebody's hand
And they be like
Oh my god bro
You just made my week
You just made my
You just made my year
It's like damn
I did that
Yeah like you gotta
Really recognize that
You got that type of
That type of
Like not
I wouldn't say power
But you got that ability
Like in your
Within yourself
To really make somebody
Like have a great day
Right
So I'll be
I'll be taking that
And kind of
They feel motivated by you
They feel inspired by seeing you
And just being
Like seeing you do normal shit
They're like oh
Oh shit
He do the same shit I do
Right
So I could do the same shit he do
Right
Cause we're human
Exactly
Right
Alright I'm gonna get you
With some fan questions
We'll get you up out of here
We had a ton for you
So it was hard
Fan questions be going crazy
Yeah
Fan questions be going crazy
Legally Red underscore says
Who was most impactful to you on set?
Hmm
Who was most impactful to me on set?
I really
It's gonna sound cliche
But Joseph
Yeah
I would say Joseph
Of course
He's a quarterback
He's a quarterback
Of your show
For sure
Yeah
It's just Joseph
Because like
For me not to be
A series regular
He embraced me
Like I was
And he gave me the confidence
To like
Really
Believe in myself
And really tell myself
Bro you got something inside you
Cause it's like
At the same time
Like how you said
Like being an actor
You just
You were taught like
Just to be a certain way
Be a certain way
And he was more so like
Bro be a mod
Right
Be you
Like show them
That like
That's what they want
That's what they want to see
Like show them
And like
He just always gave me
Strong advice
And he's always just gave me
That confidence
To really believe myself
And really to
Feel like I belong here
Like I belong here
Cause sometimes I feel like
I get in phases
Where it be like
Man like
Damn do I deserve this?
I do the same shit
Man it's just like
He always constantly reminds you
Like no
You do
You work hard
You work hard
You do what you're supposed to do
You're a good human
Like bro you straight
And so yeah
He's the most impactful
For sure
Yeah
Shout out Joe man
Shout out Uncle Joe man
Shout out Joe
That's my guy
Shout out Uncle Joe man
Yeah
Mike
Get this one right here
I bet
Jada Brat said
What's the motivation behind
Going so hard in what you do?
Hashtag LLTY
Whoa
Long live Tyree
That's my
That's one of
That was one of my best friends
That died
Oh really?
Yeah
That's crazy
That's deep
She tuned in
She tuned in but
I would say
Situation
Like that
Because
You know
I grew up in Gary, Indiana
It's small
It's a lot there
It's a lot of talent there
It's a lot of love there
But it's just small
You know what I'm saying
So like
Just
Just understanding
That like
These opportunities
Don't come
Every day
And just
Like you said
Like
Knowing like
People telling me like
Bro like
You make me wanna do this
You make me wanna do that
You give me the strength
To do that
And it's just like
It's like
I feel like
I got shit to do
Like I got
I got shit to
To show to these people
Like yeah my family
I wanna do it for my family
But it's not just
For the people that believe in you too
Yeah for the people that
Yeah bro
So just
Yeah
They not believe in you
For no reason
Right
You know what I'm saying
Yeah I'm always curious
What like
What motivates people to be like
I wanna
Like me
I wanna be an entertainer
But like sometimes
I'm always curious
Like what
Like did something happen
Like is like
Sometimes people are like
I got embarrassed
When I was like
When I was nine years old
And I wanted to be
The biggest thing
In the fucking world
Like sometimes
That's people's reality
So I'm always curious
About what people's
Like what motivates people
To do this
Just
Yeah
Just my family
And just knowing that like
The world
Like people in the world
Like are really so invested
In my journey
That it's like
My success
And my energy
And the way I approach life
Is rubbing off on them
Right
And it's like
Damn
Like how you said
Like that's
That's influence bro
Influence man
You gotta be mindful
Of that
You gotta be cautious of it
You know what I'm saying
Gotta do the right thing
With your influence
I be trying
I be tripping sometimes
I be trying to do
The best I could
Bro
You be doing your thing
You know what I'm saying
If you gave me
Fucking a Porsche 911
And Audi R8
Turbo S
Turbo S
BMW M5
At 21
I like
I'm lucky
That I didn't get big
Until like
I was a little more mature
I
Dude this motherfucker
Is a saint
That's why when people
Shout out to my mommy man
There's
When people shit on Bieber
And they're like
This motherfucker
Like dude
All he did was egg a house
And drag race a Lamborghini
We do that anyways
Every day
Every day
So I'm like
I never heard about that
Justin Bieber was egging houses
Yeah he
He egged
He egged his neighbor's house
In Beverly Hills
And like they like
Tried to arrest him for it
I'm like this motherfucker
Threw eggs
Bro we do that every Halloween
Yeah
To this day
This dude
This dude is 17 years old
With like 60 million dollars
I'd be dead
Yeah I don't know what
If I was 17
And you gave me 60 M's bro
Yeah
Yeah I don't know
What I would be doing
Bro I was 18
When I started
When my mom really showed me
What was going on financially
Like my mom was
Keeping everything in the tuck
Until I turned 18 bro
Shout out to the moms man
They know what they doing
She said
Like I've been keeping stuff
Under the rash for you
For a minute
But like
She showed me the rundown
I said oh shit
I'm doing this
I'm like this is how it is
I ain't mad
Let me get 9-11 Turbo S
She's like motherfucker
I should've waited
I should've waited
I'm like I ain't mad
I ain't no more
That's fucking hilarious
Alright last one
I feel like we kind of
Touched on this
But I still want to ask you
O-U-U-U
6143 says
How does it feel to be
In two shows
In your own city
And both of them are popping
Man
We touched on that
But like dude
That's so
That's so rare
To like be able to do that
That's like being the CEO
Of Mercedes Benz
And the CEO of BMW
Yeah
In Germany
You feel me
In Germany
You feel me
That's love
That's love bro
That's fire
I would say man
Like it feels amazing
Like I never thought
I would be in this position
But you know now
I know that I am
In this position
And just to keep
Don't stop here
Like just keep going
And keep evolving
And keep building
But it feels good
And the love
Is always shown
It's embraced
And you know
I just want to do
Right by the city man
For sure
I just want to do
Right by the city
Quote that shit
Yeah
Quote that
You and Lucian
I'm just like
Mike's like
I just want a Porsche
I'm like I just want to
Take over the world
And you guys are like
I just want to give back
You guys just good guys man
I just want a Porsche
Yeah
But I'm going to give back
While I'm in the Porsche though
Yeah
I'm going to give back
And it's still genuine like that
It's still genuine
It's still genuine like that
A lot of the giving back
I do ain't even documented
Right
Most of it's not
Yeah
Fuck that
Y'all don't got to see it
Right
Y'all know what's going on
Niggas know though
Y'all know what's going on
Yeah
We uplifting the universe
And the people
Yeah
For sure
That's what we doing man
Amad
Thank you so much
For pulling up
Thank you for pulling up bro
We appreciate you
Coming all the way from Chicago
Hell yeah
The Porsche got flight
Yeah
Come on that's love
That's love
Come on man I got it
I got it like
Man give me all y'all flowers
Before I dip bro
Like y'all are like
Millennials like
Really showing us like
You can
You can
You can
You can create your own shit
You can
You can do it
You just got to
It's just focus
Consistency
Yeah
But you can do it
So I appreciate you guys
All this came from an idea
Yeah
I appreciate y'all
It's a simple idea man
Own your shit too
Ownership is key
Yep
Ownership
Thank you so much bro
Plug everything you got
I don't know what you got
Come on man
Yeah man
Even though we can't
Promote certain things
We can't promote certain things
We don't know if the strike
Will still be going on
We are still up in the air
We're banking episodes
It might be going on
It might not be
So say it
And then if the strike's still going on
We'll take it out
Yeah man
Side B
Of the shot
2024
Force is still going on
You know what I'm saying
So just
Back and forth with them
Got some music in the works
I'm going to show y'all
I can really sing
I really got some music
Got that shit in me
And yeah man
My IG
Amad and Ferguson
I'm on Twitter
At weloveyamad
And yeah man
I appreciate y'all bro
Hell yeah
Appreciate you bro
Thank you for calling up bro
Mike
What you got?
Where's 22 on Instagram
Where's 22 on TikTok
Where's 22 on YouTube
Michael Rennie Jr. on Instagram
Hey just go get up with me
Y'all know what's going on
I'm not plugging anything else
Other than the vlog
Go to the link in the description
Where's 22 vlogs
Gianni V. Palo vlogs
Get in there
Click them
Come see how the boys
They be turnt bro
Yeah
Y'all want a little
If y'all want a little insight
On how we get down
You know
Come pre the vlogs
You know
Come spend a day with the boys
Yeah
You want to give us one Mike
So man the crew
Has it baby
The crew has it
And you have it
Thank you so much
For pulling out my mic
This is my twin
Twin though
Twin though
Thank you so much bro
I appreciate you
I appreciate you man
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The Vision returns for the final chapter of its groundbreaking trilogy, marking a major conclusion to the series.
A central theme explores identity and family, questioning whether the family depicted is real or fabricated.
The premiere of *Vision Quest* is a two-episode event streaming exclusively on Disney+.
The conversation highlights the actor’s journey from early exposure to powerful roles in *Power* and *Force*, emphasizing personal growth and destiny.
The actor reflects on the emotional depth of working on shows like *Power*, especially the trauma and moral complexity of character decisions.
Acting experience is shared as a blend of natural instinct, preparation, and deep emotional connection to characters.
The actor values authenticity, personal comfort, and real human experiences over performance for effect.
A recurring theme is the challenge of balancing public scrutiny, expectations, and personal boundaries in the entertainment industry.
Summary:
The transcript centers on an actor's journey through the entertainment industry, particularly his roles in *Power* and *Force*, highlighting the emotional depth and personal growth behind his performances. He reflects on how early exposure to media, especially *Power*, shaped his career path and self-perception, noting that his appearance in the show was a form of destiny. The actor emphasizes the authenticity of his performances, rooted in real-life experiences like trauma, family dynamics, and personal vulnerabilities.
He discusses the emotional weight of characters such as Tariq and Brayden, particularly the moral struggles around violence and loss. The narrative also explores the challenges of fame—dealing with public expectations, intrusive attention, and the pressure to perform—while advocating for human connection and authenticity. The actor underscores the importance of emotional truth over spectacle, citing moments of vulnerability, like a scene where he laughs during a dramatic moment, as key to character development.
The episode concludes with a strong emphasis on resilience, self-belief, and the personal values that drive his craft—showcasing not just success, but a deep commitment to integrity and genuine storytelling. The tie-in with Marvel’s *Vision Quest* adds a broader narrative arc, framing the discussion as part of a larger cinematic legacy.
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Vision Quest is a two-episode premiere of Marvel Television's new series, available exclusively on Disney+.
Mortal Jeopardy is presented as a key element that bonds family members together, highlighting the importance of family dynamics in the show.
Propel Fitness Water contains Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins, which help hydrate better and support workouts.
Tariq is a central character in Power who evolves through seasons, facing trauma and growing into a more complex, vulnerable person.
The actor auditioned for both shows, with a strong connection to the characters and a personal journey that aligned with the roles, leading to his casting in both series.
Yes, the actor shoots both shows on the same lot, making it seamless to switch between characters and maintain continuity.
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