After You Study the Lindsay Clancy Trial, Something Horrific Occurs | Julian Dorey

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And it's like, alright, let's go. Other times, there might be a lot of the shit going on, which in this case there has been. And so I've kind of been like, alright, I'll kind of get to that. In the last couple of weeks, I've really dug into that case and I don't know. It's really shocking to me how many people don't see the common sense in this. Lindsay Clancy took one of these. This is an exercise band. Alright, I have a, this is a harder one to pull. Alright? This is, I think blue, what's blue, if that's like a little less, right? Yeah. I mean, it depends on your brand. Yeah, it depends, but then green is usually like pretty light to pull. Doesn't matter how hard it is to pull. She took one of these things when her husband went out to pick up medication for one of her kids on errands that she sent him on. And I believe geo-tracked his location to see where he was. She took these and choked out her three kids. How old was the oldest kid? Deep. Let's start the old. One of them was like an infant. Who's five? Yeah, it's about five. She choked out her three kids. And then, you know, she caught herself and threw herself out the window to try to off herself and was unsuccessful and her husband comes home and finds her. And the court, because this, this has obviously been a tape trial. It's a state trial, so it's, it's taped on TV. But when they went to play the 9-1-1 call in court, they turned the, the public cameras off. So the public couldn't hear it. Now, my friend Brian Enten did talk to someone who was in the courtroom who heard it. So I'm going to play that in a minute so you can get the reaction. But I want to read some of this transcript of the call. So this is, this is Patrick Clancy. Lindsey Clancy's husband calling 9-1-1 when he gets home and initially finds his wife on the ground. She ended up being paralyzed from the waist down with severe injuries. And I'm going to skip the whole first half because the whole first half he comes home and he just finds her and he calls 9-1-1 and he is trying to attend to her. And he's following directions from the dispatcher. They're telling him not to move her, check her eyes. He's like, Lindsey, will you open your eyes? Yada, yada keeps going on. He's clearly worried about his wife because I do have to say this is a guy who has been villainized by some people in the media, which that's just crazy to me. But, you know, no one's perfect. I'm not saying like they had a perfect marriage or anything like that. Or if there weren't some things, maybe he would have done differently. But like this is a human being who lost his three kids tragically because his wife fucking killed them. But let's get to the second part of this. So he's saying no, Lindsey, wake up. They're coming. Look at me, sirens. First responders arrive. So he is still with his wife. He's been talking with 911 this whole time. He has no idea that his kids are going effectively. And Patrick goes, I need you to stay with her to the first responders. I have to go check with my kids. It then says inside the house, you can hear basement footsteps. And then Patrick, guys, guys, Kora, Kora Dawson. Those are the names of his children. Oh no, oh no, wake up. Then they're screaming and gasping for a tremendous stretch. The dispatcher says what's going on? Hello, Patrick yells basement basement. Oh my god, I need help in the basement right now. Dispatcher again. Hello, hello, Patrick. Now he's over his first son's body, Dawson. His oldest son. He says Dawson, my buddy, my little boy, my buddy. And then he screams out. Got her early. Ah, she killed the kids. Oh my god. Now, can you play the video, Brian Enten, talking to one of the women who heard it? Because she's going to describe it better than I can. But I want people to hear how she described the human guttural calls. Because that can't be faked. We ask you about the Patrick Clancy 911 call. Because when Patrick Clancy arrived at the house, found his wife outside had jumped from the window and then found the kids inside. There was this awful 911 call that has not been played publicly. But you have heard the call. You are one of the few people who has heard the call. What did it sound like? Yeah, I mean, as you say, that call won't be released. It was the live stream was shut off at that moment. So only people who were inside the courtroom heard that. And it was one of the worst, the worst thing I've ever heard. Worst thing she's ever heard. The screams coming out of Patrick were just unearthly and guttural and unlike anything I've ever heard, really. And you know, it's, I think it's important to know that, you know, the beginning, as you say, that he went, he found Lindsay and he was panicked. You could hear the panic in his voice, but he was still very coherent. And he was able to talk to the dispatcher about getting emergency responders there. He was able to reassure Lindsay. And then when emergency responders arrived, he was heard saying, "I'm just going to go check on the kids." And obviously he had no idea what was, what had happened at that point. You could hear him running down the stairs and then just these unearthly screams. And yeah, and then he was unable to speak. His words were indesernable until he screamed out. She killed the kids. And, I mean, the whole courtroom was just torn apart by it, you know? It was during, during members were crying. Lindsay's parents were crying. Members of the media, the public. Lindsay herself hunched over the defense table, quietly sobbing. But then when the judge immediately called the recess, the second that stopped playing, he cleared the courtroom. And she broke down in loud and controllable sobs. I mean, yeah, every sobs of guilt. To everyone. That's sobs of guilt. So, I'm not a woman. I can't know what postpartum depression is like, nor would I ever claim to. I know it's a very real thing. I've known women that have that. And I do not want to, in any way, take away from the real effects of that. And some of the stigma that's been around it before, people are trying to live from that. What I will say is that this case will do all of that, if this woman is found not guilty. Because we are sitting here on Friday evening after a mistrial has been declared. I'll explain the details of that in a minute. But I'm sure the state is going to retry this case at some point. But as of right now, there was no guilty verdict that came through. Also, some of the semantics behind that are crazy. We'll get to that in a minute. But, if you claim that this woman had a psychosis from postpartum depression, because if we're going to report the facts here, she was put on a bunch of SSRIs and drugs. She had approached, I believe, a psychiatrist, a doctor for help with this. And this was where some of the hate on her husband was coming in. She had talked to him about help for some things and maybe felt like she didn't get it. Again, nobody's perfect. But if you set the precedent of a woman being able to massacre her children, very planned and coordinated, very planned and coordinated. And you also can't, like she said, she heard a voice in her head that one time. And it was telling her what to do. You can't prove that or disprove that. The only person who knows the truth on that is her. And I'm not so sure, I believe her. But if you acquit her on those grounds, you are setting the precedent that as Nancy Mase put it brilliantly, in fact, I'll read what she said, because this is better than I could have ever put it. She said, if postpartum mental illness becomes a get out of jail free card for murdering your children, then by that logic, anyone diagnosed with it should lose custody of their kids. Do you not see the problem there? And by the way, how about now people talking about if we're looking at a world where 100 years ago women couldn't vote and they had to get that legally passed for them to do that They had to get equal rights and be able to work in the workforce and have a chance to make money like men do Like all these things that happen to progress in society if you now set a precedent like this You are also opening up the Pandora's box of then being able to say Every stereotype in the book. Well a woman shouldn't be president because she's hormonal and can do all these fucking You know what I mean like men have their problems, too, but you are now putting a moving not even moving target On that to be able to save Some lady some paralyzed lady who all these people that stand with her she can't even sit stand with her big air quotes She can't even stand with them because she's in a fucking wheelchair You know It's it's just a dangerous President to set, but something is really broken in society as I said a week or two ago When I made one quick comment on this case when you had that woman who went into a fire and saved like five or six of her children 90% of her body burned her go fund me raised like 40 grand lit Lindsay's raised at that time like 1.2 million Yeah, like something is broken and backwards in a segment of society When that is the case, I really wonder all these women wearing pink in the court and showing up with all the signs outside like You know, how's your marriage at home? How's your life? How are your kids? Do you have kids like who are you? And if there's people out there listening right now who I'm offending so be it Like this is just so fucking simple for me. I remember when I was a really little kid there was a case this woman Andrea Yates She drowned five of her kids in a bathtub She was found guilty sentenced to life in prison Five years later the guilty verdict I Would guess somewhat quietly because there was a lot less fanfare on it got thrown out and she was declared I guess We deep can check it but not guilty by reason of it reason of insanity and she does luckily remain in a mental and a mental institution to this day The issue here is that if this were a man that's never an excuse every serial killer ever has had mental issues and mental problems You think these people are like fucking balanced people you think their brain functions at the same way You think they weren't doing drugs sometimes of course they were of course their brains didn't work right They still got the fucking chair There was a guy in Texas who killed like two of his kids. I I don't know did I put that link in there? Yeah, all right. He's already got up strangled five of his kids. I'm sorry the jury deliberated for two hours and he got the death penalty Yeah, it's Texas Yeah, I'm not even a death penalty guy myself, but like good fucking reddence You know there and I think that guy had claimed schizophrenia or something like that. There was another one There's another one in Texas as well that I saw where he killed two of his kids They deliberated for 19 minutes and he had documented bipolar disorder because what happens is and we've all seen these cases So most of you guys know this but the defense they'd constitutionally have to put on defense for the client So what they do is they get expert witnesses so they'll pay expert witnesses like psychiatrist to say is it possible that this type of Disorder that I looked up could have been happening. Can you assess her for this? Okay, yes, you think that could happen. Would you be willing to get on a stand and say that? Okay, yes, all right Well, let's get you on the stand and say that that's how it works. So they made this whole postpartum defense and Then spun it up into this whole thing clearly the prosecutors are you know fucking The dollar short and a day late You know very oj vibes prosecution-wise like not not the brightest bulbs in the room, but like The the crazy support for her does really bother me and and by the way, let's even take this a step down below If you have so little going on in your life Like so little going on in your life But somehow the luxury of time meaning you I would assume Have a roof over your head and can watch Netflix at night and aren't on the street fucking starving like some other people in this country are if you have a roof and time and You choose to spend that by going to a courtroom in Massachusetts in many cases people traveling from foreign wide from across state lines To wear a pink shirt and solidarity and hold up some signs that were written straight out of a fucking George Shorrow's textbook and make that your cause in life What's that line from Kanye find God do something you played yourself you played yourself like I Don't get it. I don't get it. I'm happy to have people try to explain this in the comments if I'm really missing something here But this is just so Black and white to me. She's a bitch who killed her kids and of story and let the husband go about live in his life He found a new woman. I believe she's pregnant You know, he's moving on with his life. I I don't know the guy Best of luck, dude. I'm really sorry this happened like this is horrible. I don't know what you say to someone like that I've seen some bad ones luckily. I've never known someone who had to go through something like that let alone also have to find them But you know one of if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are Well, today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter I'm gonna give you my top 10 book recommendations right now Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show You can do so via the discord link in my description below and finally you can join my patreon for early Uncensored releases of the full episodes via the patreon link about a description below as always Please take one second to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already I really appreciate that also the like buttons a big help and you can join my newsletter for you the link in the description below there there's also There's no better example of how asked backwards this is than the jury Because what became clear is the deliberations went on this week that led into the mistrial is that It was not so a jury has to reach unanimous Conclusion all 12 have to agree Which is an interesting system that that could be a good sidebar because it's like It creates you have to create a group thing in one direction or another eventually because usually in cases that I mean I think this one should have been pretty cut and dry But like cases that are really cut and dry. Yeah, sometimes the law walk in there be like guilty I'm not guilty and it's quick But a lot of times you'll at least start with some people are like, I don't know Yeah, it's well-being remade. Yeah, exactly exactly. It made a good move last time but You would have thought that this would have been a situation where if the jury were deadlocked 11-1 meaning one person couldn't agree It would be because 11 people on the jury believed that she was guilty and one person somehow believed that she was not guilty here Or at least you know the argument is that she's not guilty by reason of insanity That's not the case though. It was actually the other way around this jury of nine women and three men Had 11 people Who believed that this woman was not guilty by reason of insanity? I also want to say I mentioned the Andrea Yates case. There was another case. I forget her name 1953 Woman kills three of her kids Found guilty by reason of insanity Husband sticks by her Stays with her believes it believe she was insane goes to a mess Fisher Constance Fisher Goes to a mental she goes to a mental hospital. She's released in the 60s. Oh, wow. Apparently better She then has three more kids with the same husband. Oh, wow did something just happen to me. No, no No, I'm just I'm reading it as you're saying right, but did we do something over here? No, no, we're good. We're good She goes and has three more kids with the same husband and Kills them all Now does that mean every woman out there or every killer out there or someone who's done that is gonna end up doing that the same as her? No technically it doesn't but they're really an interesting pattern You know So when I see someone like Lindsey Clancy who I mean did the eyes they never lie Chico There's nothing on it. She has some of the biggest irises. I've ever seen in my life. I can't even see her pupils Her irises look like they're straight out of the movie fucking alien and That's someone who should never be in society ever Back to the jury though 11 people and we know the one hold out was a man. So nine women and two men Wanted to give this woman effectively maybe another chance at life by Declaring her not guilty by reason of insanity and letting the mental system deal with her Again, I don't I don't think they would have even paid two minutes of mind if it were a man in that situation But neither here nor there so as the deliberations went on throughout the week these very weird semantics started to go on Where the jury would come back to the judge and say and and give him more and more details that the judge would then have to release to the court about their inability to come to a conclusion. And at one point, the jury the jury foreman who clearly was not the holdout said, I am so sorry to report or something like that, your honor, but we can't come to a conclusion. And he said, it's because one of the jurors, the lone holdout juror, I forget what the exact language was, Joey, but he was saying like he refuses to follow the legal orders from the judge as it pertains to reasonable doubt. So what I mean is the jury foreman speaking for the jury was color commentating, not that this hasn't happened before, but they were color commentating the jury room and alienating this juror to the point that the defense attorney for Lindsey Reddington kept coming back and asking the judge to no, no, send them back. We want a we want a result here because he's like, if they can just get this guy, we're going to be good. Once it got to the end and the judge was ready to declare a mess trial. So that would have been by Thursday night when it was looking like that was going to be the case. Reddington goes out publicly. Do we have that video? It's where I have lawyer intimidating jury. Yeah, sure. Right here. Yeah. So we're going to pull this one out. So he comes out publicly while the case is in deliberations and starts speaking specifically about this juror. And once them to be identified, which like again, maybe my lawyers can help me out in the comments here, not a lawyer, obviously here. Look at me. That seems a little like jury intimidation. Let's hear it from his words. No mind. The juror has been identified by the note from the floor. And there will be an inquiry by the judge tomorrow at 9 o'clock. I don't know what this question is going to be yet. We'll have an argument about it. I don't think it'll be at the side, but I think it'll be a little bit wrong. And he then what? So he was referring to the hearing that was then going to be happening Friday morning, which did happen today. And Reddington kept fighting it throughout the day, trying to say, no, please, he actually asked them at one point. I think you have that video up, Steve. He asked the judge to remove the juror like he wanted to play like fantasy football with the jurors to get a new juror in there. So he could get this thing across the finish line, which again, my understanding is that's not unprecedented. That has been asked for before, but like it's highly unusual and pretty overtly like trying to subvert the process right here. But this was Reddington talking to the judge about this, which before you play it, Joey Deef, we're going to play another clip in a minute. Shout out to all of my Boston people out there, but listening to this Boston lawyer talk with the Boston judge. And it's like one step below, what's your fucking problem? Like they're literally like shit talking. There's another clip we're going to play in a minute. They're shit talking each other in court in Boston accents. It feels like a fucking reality TV show, but I'll let you guys hear this. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact you're on it that you're allowing us to be heard in public rather than at the side by the side by the court has an instruction from the four person of that juror that's been working for a week now saying that there's one juror who refuses to listen to the law that you've given him or her unreasonable doubt. And I suggest respectfully that the soft instruction that you gave them saying at the side by can you listen to the law as I instruct you does not focus on the issue. It is that question is not sufficient enough. It does not allow any foundation for a motion to remove the juror who refuses to accept your instructions on the law on reasonable. And if we come back here in a half an hour with a mistrial because of a because of a juror that has just spurned the instructions of this court. It's a shame. It's a real shame. And that's why I object to the courts rolling. I request that we have further inquiry. I request that my motion is to remove this juror that refuses to listen to your instruction on reasonable doubt. All right. Come on. Okay. Cut that right there because then then it gets to the prosecutor's talking. Let's before I go to what the judge ended up saying on this can we play the clip of the two of them going back and forth. So the lawyer is who by the way like when I watch a lot lawyers in court they're always like overly in impression say always in many cases especially during high octane moments where they know they're going to have to be like kind of yelling at a judge to make their case. Their body language will be like more overtly respectful to get up there even if they're coming up aggressive. Like you see different styles but like you'll see people at least like try to put on the lawyer I don't think for the opportunity and then fucking slam into it. This guy just kind of saunters up there like almost like my cousin Vinnie just like yeah everything that guy just said bullshit but in a fucking Boston accent. So this is him going at the judge who just God love him looks like he is thinking about five o'clock cocktails at Martha's Vineyard and he's going to be fucking late if this trial doesn't get itself figured out. So I'm sick of fucking listening to this lawyer and just state your case and I'm declaring a mistrial my friend. But the lawyer comes up and starts asking for this stuff while calling the judge soft only in Boston might feel that your runner is kind of coming down on her not to do that and I think it's too delicate right now with situation and in addition and finally I would ask that you not just give them as I describe it yesterday a soft inquiry you will listen to my instructions I would ask him specifically direct their attention to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and re-instruct them on that forcefully. You did yesterday you did it so I have to do it. What do you want me to do? Get a grasp and I read the instruction as written by the SJC but the fact that I perhaps didn't give it my full inflection is that you're kind of glossing over the issue the issue is this juror will not according to that note apply the law of reasonable doubt and that's why I've requested you know what every question. Just in case the records I am specifically not glossing over this issue I have thought about this issue long enough I know the definitive jacks but the characterization that I'm glossing over it trust me that's not the situation I've been thinking about this for quite a while so that's my that's what I'm going to do I'm going to just give that instruction as I said that they have to follow follow my instructions it's just it it's screams reality TV in a lot of ways now what happened was the judge went to declare a mistrial around I want to say like 12 15 PM and then when he did Reddington the defense lawyer got up and said you matter I want to file this emergency injunction motion whatever before the Massachusetts Supreme Court and try to get a stay of your mistrial and the judges like a what like this is live like while it's going on he just declared it and I guess to the judges credit that's what I assumed again I don't not totally familiar with these legal processes I know that's not normal that they do it live in court right there and he wouldn't just do it later and and appeal but the judge was like all right I'll give you an hour so they they bring them back at two they they actually live streamed the other defense attorneys so the associate defense attorney went in and did the hearing with the Supreme Court justice in Massachusetts some separate judge one zoom and then the prosecutor was there and they were arguing back and forth and they're like less than we're trying to get that a weekend here let's go and the justice then ruled on it very quickly they come back to court and it was denied I think it was officially denied right that is what happened I think so because then for the main judge our guy right here Boston guy trying to get to the vineyard he was like all right mistrial and now it is going to hearings where they're gonna get a status hearing within the next two weeks and try to so I'm right and they'll get the status hearing and then try to get you know figured out when the next trial's going to be but one of the things the judge did was all this is happening when the jury's not in the room and then he declares the mist trial brings them back in the room and you don't see the jury obviously that's against the rules to be able to see it Obviously the fucking Reddington wants everyone to know who this other juror is, which just feels totally illegal to me, but the judge addresses the jury and What he said, we're not gonna play it because it was like a long kind of rambling whatever But he started off. He's like, I'm a real student in history and I study a lot of World War 2 and me and D for looking at this like right before coming on air like All right, where the fuck is he? Like, do you like as you're gonna say Churchill was the bad guy? Here we go And I don't know what the fuck you meant about Churchill. I never really put the Anyway, what's it? What's it? Talk a little Chinese to him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're trying to do the Don King thing You know, don't speak a little Chinese for me to speak a little Chinese to him. Don't you know shout out nick moan? But anyway, so he addresses the jury and he's facing them Reddington's obviously over here sitting back in his chair pissed off But he kept emphasizing I Want to the and and he did it. I don't know 10 times 11 times Yeah, I want to thank all of you But every single one of you and Commend you for the job you did and and I actually had he's like I have one more request If you all wouldn't mind staying back for like an extra 10 minutes I want to thank each and every one of you individually Personally, and I was at this shitty bus in accent, but like that's what he said and It was in my opinion Per spec, but it was a real fucking Lean the shoulder in to Reddington like yo Just because you're not getting the result from one of these guys doesn't mean he didn't do his job as I think he did Did his job correctly under the Constitution your arguments bullshit and It's just the whole thing smells And not to put on the tinfoil hat for a minute, but let's stick it on Joey Dief We're all screaming about this case this week. We were gonna lead off the whole show with it. Yeah, and Leon and Leon and Leon and and you got a fate listen. I'm not saying that's what it is, but you got to ask that question Are they like all right? You know they dude in the Truman show? All right hit him with the Clancy murder trial now all right Activate Lindsay The NZ is like they say the word and she's like boo boo boo. Yeah, remember that case from 2023 that no one's talked about for three years Make it the thing now Leon you're on Like you have to wonder these things because again, shout out CNN. They were they were like the only major Outlet there were there were some other outlets, but the only major one that I saw if other people can find some other Major outlets put it up because again, it was right before we went on air, but like at least they reported some of it You know, it's just Yeah, yeah, it's sad It's very sad that we have to ask those questions, but we do Yeah, I just kept imagining the one juror is like he got onto this trial and he's like I'm gonna 12 angry men this shit and they're like all right, you got to get on board with us and he takes out the switch blade Stabs it into the table like hits his hand. Oh, you fucks it up That's like I'm still not switching and they're like fuck that's right. I'm not fucking leaving except he couldn't convince them like the guy in 12 angry men He failed well, he failed on that part, but they'll get they'll get her in a in a re trial So somebody said on Twitter. I don't know who it was. I saw it very quickly. I'm sorry. I can't give creds on this, but they're like I'm really glad that there was one really autistic Or no, they said I really hope he's an autistic guy who just doesn't like get bothered by the outside noise And it's just bravely holding on because that might be the only explanation here This guy's getting attacked from every single angle and won't give in yeah, he's just like I don't care what he is Shout out for holding your ground on that and they even said they even said with him He was he was they even described how he was arguing for it as expressing doubt Not like no, I think she's guilty. So they were trying to say that's not the law Expressing doubt is not the law. They have to prove beyond reasonable doubt It's just I I don't know it all smells you held the line held the line someone had to do it but we talked last week About little sidebar in there about the movie eyes wide shut by Stanley Kubrick And you're going to see why I'm bringing this up again in a second But as a refresher for people who didn't see that episode it's a 1999 movies released in 99 filmed in like 96 97 the great Stanley Kubrick Legendary director put it together. He unfortunately died conveniently before it came out and six days specifically after he showed the cut to the studio executives and when they came out of the theater where they showed it He was screaming. This is my movie goddammit. You can't take it from me. And then you know and it's up dead Now he was like 71 or something like that. It's possible for a guy like that to have a heart attack, especially if he's under a lot of stress about his movie But certainly worth noting and the reason it's it's fascinating is because eyes wide shut obviously Was a movie way ahead of its time that people did not Appreciate artistically or for what it said at the time and it aged better and better over the years Fortunately, fortunately, artistically unfortunately Realistically I'm not going to say unfortunately Autism No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's not put that in the edge of the time. You're killing me but you know The reason I say that is because the parallels of what he showed To the things that we are discovering now about the people like Epstein's of the world are You can't ignore them and that film Works around an elite sex cult Strongly insinuates child trafficking everywhere among many other You know little hidden Easter eggs in there that he put I mean you could watch documentaries on this for days Breaking down every frame that he did because Kubrick was so famously I mean, there was not one detail in one pixel of the screen that this guy did not frame fuck and it was That's why he was such a master. That's why he had so many legendary films over the years and this was like his You know going to be one of his crowning achievements and then he passed away, but One of the big controversies is that because he died and then the film came out four months later people were saying that It was edited and it wasn't really his cut and he was actually gonna go farther with some things and they may have changed some things And that's all very possible and I still believe that that is probably the case but I do have to Point out what it because we were tagged in it So it sounds like it was it was also a response to what we did I do have to point out the fact that Stanley Kubrick's daughter Vivian Put out a long tweet about this with a different narrative now before I read this and we go through it I Don't know Vivian personally She's from what I've seen online, you know, she's someone who has actually been at the forefront of calling a lot of things out Be it Epstein surveillance stuff like that. Like this. This is this is a person who is very against a lot of the same things That a lot of you out there are obviously against as well. So it's actually against the grain for her to Maybe say it actually isn't a cover-up or something like that if that makes sense. I Do I should also say Again, I haven't talked about this with her personally, but apparently She and her father towards the end of his life did not have the same relationship. That's all say it and You know Some of that I think involved the fact that Vivian went into Scientology Which is interesting because Tom Cruise was the star of this movie as well It was very much in Scientology, but there were some disagreements on that and Obviously on my show we have done we actually just put an episode today One side that we've done a lot of content on Scientology and safe to say I'm not a fan of that stuff at all And I think it's an awful cult and the shit they do to people is disgusting and Illegal and they pull a lot of people into it and obviously there's a lot of people who are Held captive in it and I and I don't think are bad people But they're either brainwashed or they're locked into it once they did get brainwashed to get into it and you know We've covered that with the headlies who we just had on obviously were in the seawork in Scientology they were born into it and You know ended up escaping it. They didn't know any other reality and they were brave and it's that's that's one the most insane Stories I've ever done that was actually we put out the last four hours today episode 471 and We had put out the first three hours a couple months ago, which I told him when we recorded it We kind of spread it out because it's it's an amazing story But yeah, we were recording for about seven hours with them and it was a Saturday We recorded it like one o'clock. Yep, and it When we were six hours in, I was looking at deep, again, it was at this point past seven o'clock on a Saturday, and it was the first time I've done a lot of long recordings over the years. I've done a lot of six, six and a half, sometimes seven hour stuff where I know it's going to be two episodes. I have never been sitting in a recording where I'm legitimately tracking it and going, okay, I need to make a decision is this going to be two or three? Because when we were coming into that last hour, like when I'm doing a podcast, I can always chart out in my head, like patternize things within about 35, 40 minutes, especially when it's someone's story as to what the length of this is going to be with the details that I really want to want to let them be able to dig into. I don't know, like it's just been a weird feel that I've had really since the beginning of doing this. And that was the first time where I had had it charted out during the first three hours where I'm like, okay, yeah, this is going to go six and a half seven. But when we got to six, I was like, okay, it'd been a long day, but I'm like, I could either do like the next four hour version of their story, or I could just touch the surfaces of the important parts and get another one hour. And I was looking at deep and I'm like, fuck, and when I'm getting knocked out at the board, but he was telling me after he's like, I would be a fucking employer. They were awesome, dude. It was fun. They were awesome, but when you hear stories like that, I've heard a lot of stories about that. I've had Jenna Mascavage. The niece of David Mascavage, the leader of Scientology on the podcast, when you hear all those things over the years, and you see the details of this and what they do, it is impossible, in my opinion, to not feel the way I feel. I've even had, you know, helped out my friend, Tommy G, be able to go down there and do an investigation on it. And, you know, he started really looking into it and then some other creators got into it. I can't even believe this is real, but it's a lot of dark stuff there. So, I do have to put that asterisk on this. Again, I've never talked with Vivian. Wish her all the best. But let's read her a response and then we can talk about it. But this is from Vivian Kubrick and I believe it's going to be two tweets, if I think she replied to it, if I remember correctly. So she headlines this, eyes wide shut, the missing 20 minutes. You know, this is a good, this is as good a time as any to finally address the missing 20 minutes from eyes wide shut. It's a story that has been circulating for many years, so let me tell you what I actually know and don't know. For contacts, my father always had his outtakes incinerated once the film was finished. My kind of guy specifically to prevent the studio from later re-editing his work or creating alternative versions. There were flies on this motherfucker they were playing in penthouse rent. Yeah, I respect that. There has been a lot of speculation that some 20 minutes were removed from eyes wide shut after he died. This will be very disappointing to many people, but I certainly did not hear anything about a missing 20 minutes at the time. Nor have I heard anything since that would confirm such a section ever existed. I guess you could stop reading right there, but if you're interested in the details, please read on. Now, I also should add this context. It's not like Vivian Kubrick was not heavily involved in her father's work while they did have a relationship. She wrote the score, she did the score to Full Metal Jacket, Stanley Kubrick's 1987 movie. She was a talent in her own right and worked in making of the shining documentary. That's right. And worked with her father. Wasn't she in the shining, too? Didn't she? I might have made that up, but like spend a lot of time around her father. She did. I'm not saying obviously she spent time with him on this particular edit, but she knew his process very well. And I'll keep reading while Viv is doing that. Of course she said, I was not in a position to know everything that may have happened before or immediately after my father's death. At the time I was living in Los Angeles writing the score for a different movie. I flew to England where he was from, not from. That's where he lived since 1961, because he got out of Hollywood, kind of interesting. Utterly traumatized to be there for the preparations for my father's funeral and burial. But I had to return to LA the day after his burial, stricken with grief and exhaustion to complete the score. I was contractually obligated to finish, which I barely managed. So I wasn't there in more ways than one for whatever discussions may have followed. The only alteration I heard about at the time was the use of CGI, computer-generated figures, to obscure some of the nudity in the [bleep] scene where Warner Bros. wanted, where Warner Bros. wanted in order to, which Warner Bros. wanted in order to secure an R rating for the film. He rated NC-17 if they kept the footage exactly as is, because, you know, there's basically like a, at the cult, there's like a porno kind of in there. But I did not hear that any shots or scenes were removed. When my father died, eyes wide shut had reached picture lock and was moving through the final stages of post-production. It had just been shown to the studio heads. I assume with a temporary music track, while the final sound mix and some of the music work were still to be completed. This was 1999 in the era of physical film distribution. The film was edited on avid, but that should not be confused with the kind of permanent digital archive people imagined today. The avid material consisted of standard definition video transfers made from the rushes, 720 by 576 pixels, and used for editing. Obviously, this is like Premiere Da Vinci, Adobe Premiere Pro. Yeah, I've used avid. And like Heavy Tools. Well, dinosaur shit, old dinosaur shit. They were working copies, not a high resolution digital preservation of the original negative. There wasn't a high resolution digital version of every take sitting on a server somewhere, as people might reasonably imagine today. There were, of course, all the 35 millimeter rush prints, as well as the original camera negative containing the outtakes. Eventually, long after the film was finished and released, the 35 millimeter rush prints and the original negative of outtakes were incinerated. The original master negative of the finished film and the immediate film elements made from it were, of course, kept in storage. Once the picture was locked, the original camera negative would have been physically cut to match the avid edit. Once the negative itself had been cut, you couldn't simply undo those cuts and rearrange the film. Each cut destroyed a frame at both the head and tail of the shot. This is clocking you? Deep? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The film was then used to make inner positives from which the inner negatives were made and those inner negatives would have been used to make the 35 millimeter theatrical release prints. The original negative and she bolts this. The original negative of the outtakes never went through that process because, of course, those shots were not part of the finished film. Someone might say, quote, "But then if the missing 20 minute edit exists, it would be preserved on the avid." But editing the film on avid does not mean all of the material was presented indefinitely. This was not an era in which every piece of editorial media was automatically retained on servers for decades and I have no knowledge of whether any of the avid editorial material from the production still exists. That's a question for next week. The University of Arts London. They hold the official archive of my father's surviving papers, production materials, and other records, spanning his entire career, including eyes wide shut. But to my knowledge, there is no surviving cache of avid rushes from the film. So even if 20 minutes had in fact been removed after his death, I seriously doubt we should expect a surviving video or digital copy, unused negative, or other obvious physical record of it to be sitting somewhere today. But the absence of such material cuts both ways. It does not prove that those 20 minutes ever existed in the first place. That is as far as I can honestly go. I never heard of the missing 20 minutes at time. I have never subsequently seen or been shown any evidence that such a section existed. And I know of no surviving material that establishes that it did. I cannot tell you what may or may not have happened during the 30 some hours immediately after my father's death. 30 some hours immediate. That's interesting. I was not there. But unless substantive evidence emerges and I do not regard stories from certain people who in my opinion are inventing them after the fact as evidence. People often want to sensationalize their part in a story. If indeed they even had a part, the story the 20 minutes was removed from eyes wide shut after his death remains to my mind and actual conspiracy theory not an established fact. Finally this much I'm certain of. If indeed 20 minutes had been removed, I definitely would have found out about it eventually. Once the fog of agony had lifted, I involved myself very closely in protecting my father's work and took that responsibly extremely seriously. And then she tagged Joe Rogan, Alex Jones and me. Interesting combo right there. But anyway, all right, I have a couple thoughts here. First of all, the last paragraph there, I don't know, perrespect, I don't know how much involvement Vivian's had in protecting her father's work because I understand there were some sibling issues there as well because again, I think it comes back to the Scientology thing and some other stuff. So I don't know about that part. It is interesting that she's going out of her way to talk about a potential missing cut here. But the more I thought about that film this week, because after we did the episode last week, I was just really thinking about it even more. The more I thought to myself, I don't know how much it matters if there's a missing cut. And let me start by saying, if they had changed one or two details, it could really matter, meaning if there's not a missing cut, but they CGI did. detail. It could matter. And specifically, I'm thinking of a scene there was a great video made on this on YouTube. I forget who did it. Maybe Dief can find it. But it's called like the letter theory. I want to shout out that creator who came up with this. There's a scene after the cult meet up when Tom Cruise is going through his existential crisis and wondering what the fuck just happened and kind of panicking. There's a scene where he returns to the house that he had gone to where he discovered came upon this cult. And when he gets there, the gate is closed and it's a really long driveway. And this this create Dief just pulled it up. This is Jacob Decio reviews on YouTube. So shout out Jacob. He did a great little series called the letter theory about eyes wide shut. So everyone go check that out. It's really good stuff. But when Tom Cruise comes up to this gate and it's closed, a car drives up. And an old man in a suit with a very serious look on his face gets out and hands him a letter silently and then walks back to the car. And when Tom Cruise opens it up, it says something like I forget because it's not in front of me. It says something like this is your second. This is the second time you have tried to look into this. We are we are telling you you need to make no further inquiries or there will be a punishment or there will be a consequence something like that. And what Jacob the YouTube creator posits is that they could have changed that letter on the text because you see the shot of Tom Cruise holding in his hand. You could be the reshot the hand that would have been very easy because you don't see anything else or they could have CGI'd the the letter because maybe the letter actually said something explicit. Maybe it said, for example, and I think Jacob said this in his video. I hope him given this to the right creator who said this, but maybe it said something like you are in violation of our co-standards and this fucking sick ass cult, fucking horrible disgusting, whatever. And if you and your wife want to live, you have to give us your daughter because what I talked about last week on on our episode we did last week is specifically that last scene in the film where Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are in the toy store in New York City with their daughter. They got their eyes all over her. They're talking about the situation and how they're going to handle it and then out of nowhere they stop. They look at each other. They let their daughter walk through them. They look at her once I think and then turn back around and never look back and as the daughter turns away she is walking possibly with two men. And there was the two men theory throughout the movie where you'd constantly see or hear about two men as fixers cleaning things up or leading people around as it relates to the cult. And the theory is that that may have been Kubrick's eyes wide shut wink if you will to the fact that to save their own lives they gave their daughter away. So the letter theory could also be that you know maybe it said something more explicit on that and the studio could have edited that. Certainly something worth considering for sure. But interesting to see Vivian seemingly respond directly to that because that was you know she tagged the sentence right afterwards. So I'm kind of assuming there was some sort of response there if there wasn't Vivian please correct the record on Twitter. But the reason I thought about this a lot this week besides those details is that I don't think they're needed to be a missing 20 minutes. And there really might be. This might have been way worse and even way more explicit and way more like no this is what it is who knows maybe he used the word Epstein in there. I don't know but like probably not but you get my point like it may have been a lot more. But the extra 20 minutes for all it could have shown if you remove that from the record and just look at the film as we saw it. And and let's even assume for a minute it wasn't edited together like the frames weren't as perfect as Kubrick would have done it if he had had his finishing touches on it. But like the bass is is very close to where exactly what he would have done if he lived all the way through the final edit. I think it says enough. I really do. I don't even think that the conspiracy is necessary. I think if you watch this film and I said last week watch it multiple times watch it three or four times in one sitting in one yeah yeah I'd take a Saturday and watch it on repeat for educational purposes. I'm saying that uncircastically. I think it tells you all you need to know. It is a story about an elite sex cult that operates in this case they're out in New York City and they all fucking go to rich people's places where as I said last week Kubrick chose to film it at a formerly rough child mansion in the UK which is quite interesting and you know they go there and they let's call it what it is they sexually assault women that are trafficked there and minors which they as far as we can tell they didn't depict any assaults actual assaults in the mansion of minors all the women that appear there I'd you assume appear to be of age but the like I said the intonations are there throughout the film when he goes to when he goes to the costume store and there's the fucking that girl was like 14 when they filmed that movie and she's back there being assaulted and then it's clearly shown the next night that the he acted like the the shop owner was offended when when an upset when he saw guys potentially assaulting this girl and then the next night he was like offering up her services I think it was yeah I just blanked out for a second so it was like insinuated actually he was in on it and that he also knew maybe where Tom Cruise was going so it's a part of this whole network so it obviously discusses all these things and you just have to like listen to the messaging of it I think it I forget artistically for a second I think from a plot scenario it unfortunately aged like fine wine and it was Kubrick's way of saying like I don't even liken it to Hollywood I liken it to him saying there are elite groups that do this shit and they come from every level of society and if it makes them feel better in certain places they go in there and they wear masks and act all satanic about it on the already very satanic act but this is this happens and maybe it's not everyone for sure but like it's it's more than one it's not like one sick loan bad apple and you can run the tape I think I think it's pretty hard to disagree with that yeah you got anything that I don't not you do yeah you did it justice fine wine well let's see let's see if if Vivian has some more to say on that again there's a little bit of an awkward disconnect there on the Scientology thing but it's interesting that as you talked about it I do want to say before we go we'll talk about some more flock stuff next week and some axon stuff by the way because like we said there are companies replacing and looking to replace flock so this is not just like this one company little fucking falling to a side up battle here you got to focus on these cameras going up everywhere and stopping it no matter who it is because they all have stupid technology that's going in we'll talk about some balance your stuff yeah next week too I got some things on that but down in florida where Alessia Le Mans who's been with me for a really long time and has a great channel Alessia Le Mans it's named that on YouTube you know he he in his community down in florida they've had all kinds of flock cameras and he actually went I think I said this last week but he went and talked to the city council and it wasn't really getting across so when we reported last week about the Santas declaring that all flock cameras need to be decommissioned on state roads and stuff like that the way he's and I didn't say this last week the way he said it was he was referring specifically to state roads so when the florida transportation commission came out with the directive at his order that's what it said and now you have communities like Alessies in Marion County doing workarounds on this and saying okay well that said state roads so we'll comply with that but we're going to keep flock cameras everywhere else because it fights crime so I would call on you know the what the Santas started with is great and I appreciate that I hadn't seen something that direct from any governor in the country maybe if I miss something people can put that in the comments but I think a couple other governors now we're starting to follow suit that said if you're going to do this do it all the way don't do it halfway because now you're now you're going to create like a district I don't know chain of command that can make decisions based on the language that you're giving them and Alessie was showing me some of the fall out of this on social media with O'Cala, and a lot of people are fucking flipping out about it. - Yeah, I mean, as they should say. - Lippin' out about it. And he's been all over this, man. And he's been pushing this issue and getting interviewed on the news stories down there and stuff. So shout out to Lucy, doing a really nice job. But we will be focusing on these other companies as well. Like I said, because, yeah, you have to. But that said, it is Labor Day weekend when I'm putting this out. So I hope everyone has a great rest of their weekend and enjoys the end of summer. I went by really fast. That said, though, you know what it is. Give it a thought, give back to me. Peace. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip, full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.