After Hours with Alison Sivitz

blank check with griffin and david blank check with griffin and david don't know what to say or to expect all you need to know is that the name of the show is blank check what do you want from me what have i done i'm just a podcaster for christ sakes what's the line word processor is what his job is in the movie thank you for backing off the mic thank you i appreciate you know what 11 years you learn a couple of things 11 and a half yeah wow it's pretty close to our half birthday when this episode's coming out when's the real birthday march 23rd yeah march 23rd that's our anniversary is that uh that's an aries uh that sounds right no that's a pisces aries no you're right the first time it's an aries we were talking why our podcast is crazy yeah we were talking astrology before the show but we've never thought to do the signs for the show the show itself we should the show itself a water podcast no no it's there or i mean fire a fire podcast um yes and many do say that i've heard it on the street it's a fire podcast and i'll put her hand gently on my shoulder and said blank check is a fire she whispered it yeah i'm sorry if i seem a little out of it i i didn't uh get any sleep uh last night i had a i had a crazy night you are covered in paper mache crazy night i had to watch after hours right which is like 87 whole minutes long yeah i guess that was basically the night i'm reading your interview now which i read it before i'm just reading again it is so funny within doubt where you're like oh i feel like we can just chat and she just says whatever you'd like honey she's so angel perfect lovely right in a good mood if and down said that to me real and down what was the end we got an and out burger report yep hair and out is a good way to differentiate like full fat coke hair and out it's nicer than her suit and out even if that's correct in comparison it makes it sound like she's a yeti right you want just hair and out let's maybe give some context of what we're talking about absolutely yes griffin what's this podcast this podcast david's so happy that it's happening right away much like after hours which gets to rosanna arquette's apartment within like 10 minutes when i set up that transition sims gave me the biggest smile i actually have maybe never seen david this happy in my life so happy look at two minutes and we're getting into the the whole spiel 230 this is blank check with griffin and david i'm griffin i'm david it's a fire podcast about filmographies directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want sometimes those checks clear sometimes they bounce baby and sometimes like martin scorsese he has a series of films where he needs to reset the table sure and i you and i were saying this the other day i think off mic that what makes martin scorsese unique is every movie of his that on paper is a paycheck movie sure or he's basically like he's doing this while he waits to make the one he really cares this is a favor film this is more of a hired gig whatever every one of those would be most filmmakers best film ever absolutely none of them are dispassionate all of them are interested david i didn't know the ice would be that loud i was drinking coffee not eating ice i was drinking coffee ben in his defense it's never loud and this has never been a problem before so there's no way he could have known you have a bit of a problem with ice near the microphone this is correct and i have a bit of a problem with ice in the streets of america i mean yes i agree with you okay okay and i say everyone's a little jacked up from david's cup that wasn't a cue for you to do it it actually was everyone's a little jacked up yeah i feel like everyone's a little this movie i watched it this morning has put me in such a weird mood really it's you found that this movie got you a little wound yeah like first thing watching this i'm just feeling very buzzy had you seen it before producer ben i had you had i mean let's call it this is uh miniseries on the film's martin scorsese it's called podcast fellas of course it couldn't have been called anything else and today we're covering the griffiest movie we've ever covered on the show and i mean that in a couple ways one it stars griffin dunn we have not i think covered a film starring a griffin to date who are the other griffins we've covered griffin dunn in supporting roles uh yeah have we well i mean dangerously of course one of the funniest movies ever made yep keep the knee in there i don't know if you aren't that many we haven't we haven't covered what yeah we haven't i don't think we've covered any of his other movies we haven't covered a griffin gluck film oh you know what we watched ocean's aid on um patreon he's in that for a second he is yeah he's a parole board griffin o'neill we haven't covered a griffin o'neill i'm just googling actors named griffin we haven't covered peter griffin we haven't we haven't covered stewie now you love lois meg right you're the right generation for this i think wait are you just assuming i'm gonna lob a lot of stuff at our guests today that's about how she's young and i find young people's tastes different and mysterious oh thank you for calling me young you are very young um i think the photo of peter and lois holding hands in front of the sunset is the most romantic image a relationship in existence yeah yeah he's a fucking idiot he's hyper confident mean when i was probably 11 i think i was in sixth grade my phone ringtone was stewie griffin saying mom over and over and over again there you go it is funny that it feels like the iteration from simpsons to family guy is you know how like the best simpson episodes have that thing where homer finally gets it and he does one really thoughtful move that shows that he has some degree of emotional intelligence and it kind of redeems his character what if that never happens oh yeah what if it's just dumb shit all the time and he never provides a single reason for lois to stay with him other than the sunset great griffin o'neill i said griffin o'neill i did say that uh griffin uh gluck you said i said griffin gluck i mean there's not a lot you would yeah maybe not be surprised to hear i keep tabs on who else is out there there's some guy called griffin cleveland who kind of looks like you as a child oh boy alarming have we covered the mythical creature uh hell um was i think there was a griffin in dungeons and dragons yeah yeah if not both dungeons and dragons that we covered call i don't think we've covered a movie that has a griffin character uh no i think we're i think we're done oh okay okay there was one recently there was one recently what was it because i just remembered one fuck you say yours i think gary shanley plays a character named griffin in mixed nuts possibly i think i mean now we're definitely done that that that's this movie also let's just say is very much reflective of my temperament this is this is a movie that is very much my vibe yeah it's a downtown movie it's and you are downtown griffin newman and this is a downtown gary shanley's character in mixed nuts is called stanley so you made that up there's some other gary shanley movie you know what it is it's town and country we haven't covered it yet we will cover it when we do when we do warren baity absolutely yes what's on your hat fucking um uh edge of tomorrow the yeah yeah yes kit gurry sure yes what's on your hat so my my hat is the graffiti from jaws i wore it okay because i thought it looked close to the classic bathroom graffiti and after hours of the man having his dick bitten by a shark really beautiful it's really good and let's even in honor of this episode call it graffiti wow wow who's our guest we're done it's like so stunned by the profundity we're just really done our guest today yes and this is the first time we've had to do this there was almost an act of negotiation not between us but but with herself within herself yeah of how she wanted to be introduced story of my life yes you you may know them as as merely a handle and an avatar yeah at bald and doubt but that's not who's on the podcast today today who's on the podcast is ali civy that is how she is being introduced yeah we feel good did that feel comfortable that felt good that felt good did you make the bald and out picture like did you create that in a photoshop or whatever no someone made that for you i met a friend on twitter named lachlan and i tweeted one day out of the blue i was just in a weird mood i was having sort of an after hours type of week i was like can anyone photoshop and out bald for me and there it was in my replies and the rest is history there she is i did absolutely no labor now did you have to acquire the rights at some point to just do a full buyout now that it's yours for the first six months i would have intense nightmares that and out was gonna sue me right and then very litigious she recently famously no i used to go around asking people like do you think and out is litigious like what's the story um because she plays a villain so well but then when i met her she's like honey i would never sue you and i was like i needed to like i just like my body just like unclenched in a way that i didn't realize i had to unclench um was she like why am i bald like did she was she all okay okay no not she was just like and i'm bald because i was like and i don't know i could not tell you i i need to just close the loop on this quickly the other two of course i we said we were done but okay i and i just told you i need to close the loop right right exactly d-u-n-n-e uh david spade's invisible man from the host of transylvania trilogy of course is named griffin which is a reference to the character from the books in the original universal movies fantastic and michael stolberg's alien for men in black three end of list i don't know i do love stolberg i just saw the clip of him talking to timothy at the end of call me by your name and it made me cry that's quite a good performance it's funny it would be funnier if you were like i just saw a clip of him in a black screen i'm not feeling it we cry yeah at the end when he can't figure out what to order at the diner is that what he does yeah remember he's an alien where his brain is a planet and he can predict every timeline he's got to choose your own adventure brain and so he's trying to talk them into making the right branching timeline choices i sounds like a tearjerker i've seen after hours of the men in black trilogy it mostly takes place in one night it's i've seen that movie more than once yes including on this podcast but it's not really lodged in the old brainy box but you know what is after hours after hours this is a movie i've seen so many times i put it on just because my job to watch the movie before i do this show yeah and it was one of those things where i was like i don't even need to do this like as it's happening i was just like yep it's all in there already baby you know what's surprising this is my favorite martin scorsese film unsurprisingly i think it's best but it's the one that obviously just sticks to my ribs right uh i've seen it many times every time i watch it i'm a little surprised by it because my memory of it is different than the act of watching in real time i experienced this last night yeah there were things that i forgot about i always forget that he gets to her apartment that quick yeah right away that i always think there's more conflict to get to i always forget that he gets to her apartment that quickly there because i know well he loses the money he loses just the cab ride no and it's it's things get bad once he leaves her place i yeah i never take a yellow cab anymore uh no one ever does sadly you know we're all taking lift or whatever um but uh that is what it was like it is you never put your seat belt on no and also that was a real kind of throwback moment of that little what do they even call it the basket i think he said the little basket you put the money in your yellow cab thing see our guest is so young that she doesn't even know what we're talking about but that there was the plexiglass partition so you can and then there was this little kind of like basket with a hinge where you would stuff the money in and then push it and then they would pull it out the other side and it's such a dumb fucking rookie move on his part to be like i'm storing it here for later for the payment rather than do it at the moment yes you do you know he's i i also the um the the sound of a taxi which i was used for the smoke monster and lost oh if you ever listened to it yes kind of an after hours on the island burned in my brain yeah things go wrong um hello ali welcome to blank check thank you for having me you're welcome there was some back and forth in terms of figuring out the right episode to get you on we knew we wanted you on the show it feels like we landed on the right place yeah especially with this being your favorite this is my favorite yes you're welcome um it's so good i love alice though too but this is my this is my number one right you were thinking maybe doing alice yeah doesn't live here anymore if you want to shout out alice of course shout out um but you know this sort of young downtown energy of after hours it's a new yorkie movie about being crazy we all can relate to this i feel in a very profound way i have never been a diner waitress no i have been a little bit of a paul hackett it we i think everyone has paul hackett is like the shadow self he's exactly how you hope you were not perceived by others in the world right not not as evil but just like he's so stupid i forgot how stupid he was he's so lame in a lot of ways yeah you know and it's fascinating because when he wants to be griffin dunn can be like the most charming person in the world there are there are moments of that totally but it feels like scorsese was like you you gotta tamp it down yeah you know like don't win over the audience at every moment he's like don't have sex for eight weeks one of the great stories and do you know this we will talk wow yeah there's there's some great uh details about this but this is also this is a fascinating just to get ahead of it this is a project griffin dunn develops because he doesn't feel like they're good roles out there i'm gonna make the movies for myself his producing partner is amy robinson who was the female lead in mean streets and this movie in one of the most fascinating what if a what if alternate timeline that only griffin from men in black 3 could consider was originally offered and signed on to direct the debut film of tim burton off of frank and weenie it was supposed to be tim burton's debut feature film but we definitely talked about this on our tim burton miniseries i think yes it's a fascinating thing and then amy robinson's like it's a crazy idea can i send this to marty wants to do it why not i'm gonna say it's always worth just shooting marty a text i know his phone number yeah 1-800 scorsese 1-800 scorsese it's a direct line it works every time you can text from it and everything wasn't burton also like i don't want to get in the way of marty yeah i think give it to him we'll right we'll talk about it but right burton was like martin scorsese i'll do something else i'll do peewee i i will so i that's crazy i had no idea that he directed peewee until very recently mm-hmm educating the youth i'm gonna stop it with it now you are a grown person when you watch the the peewee as himself documentary that's so fucking good paul rubens talks about how haunted he was by like tim burton getting all the credit for peewee where he was like this guy was like a rocket ship and everyone assumed he was the genius and i wish i had directed it myself and then nowadays people are like he directed that burton started there he wasn't birthed out in beetlejuice right um the i i know griffin done a little bit we'll talk about it further in this episode but the way he told the story to me one time is that he was really contrite and he went to tim burton and he was like tim this is like a really difficult conversation but martin scorsese is kind of interested in doing this movie now i'm not like firing you we can talk about it and burton was like are you kidding me you owe me zero apology if martin scorsese wants to make your movie i wouldn't dare make a movie that he's even flirting with yeah like fun settled absolutely you owe me no apologies all good congrats to you and then he just like immediately rebounds onto peewee which comes out the same year or the year after this i think it's the year after 86 or 87 this after this film is 85 but so is peewee wow same year yeah this came out first after this came out a month later september wow wait what's the release date of each one i'm doing okay september 13th for signs for everything which does not fit after no no but i guess i guess studios probably don't take that into account i'm sitting here that peewee's sign is a pancake face wow with bacon mouth peewee august 9th so a leo that makes sense it makes more sense yeah peewee's a lion yeah you know he's got a he's got god bravado a mighty mane we all have those images from childhood that are like so formative and burned into our brains and peewee rescuing animals from the burning um one of the pet store is just like the it's like my first memory almost that that's beautiful you were raised well my dad was a huge peewee head it's maybe the funniest movie ever made i saw it again recently in theaters and it is insane how joke dense that movie is and how 50 of the jokes are jokes that still feel like one of one i need to rewatch i haven't seen it as an adult i don't think it's the funniest movie ever made but as i'm sure we said at the time it is maybe the funniest movie ever made where the ingredients do not seem like you're like how could this be good and then you watch it you're like oh my god it's so good you know what i mean almost everything that's funny in it you can't explain in a way that sounds funny but oh yeah we covered well if you ever thought obviously you weren't on our no trying to explain anything kind of kills it this is yeah anyway let's explain the movie after hours did you first see after hours griffin newman so this is a big sort of griffey movie my parents would joke that i was named after griffin dunn bunny because i was named after nothing and for no reason as i maybe said before my parents had lists that they had created and didn't agree on anything my mom it was all like uh gallic names gallic oh french seamus no no like irish oh gaelic yeah i'm sorry gaelic names seamus yes like imagine if he was called seamus i can kind of see it it was shit like that and then as my father put it we could be like for shame uh yeah you're late again yeah okay as my father put it his list of names here's here's the the other side of the equation my father's list was all as he puts it uh r&b singer or blaxploitation character names such as so the top two he always mentioned were rufus and tyrone your Your parents were so cracked out, my friend. I don't know what to say. in that fucking after hours you come out and they're like 80s downtown tyrone no no no no he's like my parents wanted to name me sinbad but they were basically like griffin is the only name that kind of fits into both like lines of thinking uh-huh uh-huh sort of was named for yeah zero reason and then they'd always joke when people were like why do you name him griffin it was like griffin dunn of course griffin dunn so i when i'd ask who's griffin dunn because he wasn't in a lot of kids movies they'd be like he's this guy and he was big in the 80s and he did this movie after hours and then my parents would explain after hours to me and it felt like a mythical premise for a movie like i remember from a very young age hearing it and thinking that's one of the best ideas for a movie i've ever heard of a guy goes downtown loses the twenty dollars in his wallet and then he's stuck and he can't get back home and he can't get on the subway and yada yada yada and i was like that sounds fun i can't wait until i'm old enough to see that and i probably saw it when i was like 13 or 14 sure that's pretty early but it felt a little faded yeah i saw this movie in college when i was like okay i'll watch all of them all the margins right and this was the and i think so many people have this experience i felt i was discovering something it's fun well but also just a little hidden what's this one my god directed this right like you know just that yes which is great when you're you know a youth and you're figuring out movies all by yourself and the internet's not telling you what to do we were talking about this with stavi but i feel like for a while i was like oh my god i'm gonna watch this movie i'm gonna watch this movie i'm gonna watch this movie i'm gonna watch this movie i'm gonna watch this movie i'm gonna watch this movie while uh king of comedy was the i'm not like the other fans i think it's this and things have now i i think swung around to after hours i think our generation and i say our generation because we're all the exact same age in this room right now yeah i just turned 40 we're all this is 40 young 40 and thriving rud you're who else is in that movie leslie man jason siegel albert brooks what's siegel doing in that one siegel he's being the horny guy from the prize is his character and he's a personal fitness coach is he good kind of okay uh he's very good at knocked up yes because you're like he made a choice yes i think it's funny everyone else that is just like i'll just be myself which is fine yes i'm gonna do this thing right it's also funny that that's what leads to the launch pad of him being a leading man when none of his leading man roles are like that oh right um but uh it's also funny that he's the only one of the friend group in that movie including seth rogan that they're like we've kept in touch with siegel that guy oh this is your wife right who kept talking about tits right yeah um do you care about the cinema to apatow or yes okay okay yes yes yeah um what was i just saying uh this is 40 we're all 40 that this has become the like this one yes when did you see this for the first time yeah last month right right this was like my marty like a big marty blind spot okay and i knew it was it seemed like a very me movie yes i don't know why i had never tapped in but immediately i was like oh this is this is my favorite one do you think part of things circling around to this becoming the cool pick is that it is such a snapshot of a time where you could be this disconnected yes that everything that was like an anxiety dream about this movie when it was released of imagine everything went wrong is almost a little bit like satisfying to think about like you could just actually if you didn't have 20 in your pocket be off the grid you could just be off the grid and you could just be off the grid and you could there's no phone there's no apple pay there's like you're fucked and new york could still have neighborhoods that were this undeveloped yeah it's so so now like they're putting an ikea in soho like it's just such a different we needed this oh my god it's just such a different new york yes the whole time i was like god his instagram stories would be going crazy right now right he'd be posting through it he would be posting it's so much better now and then yes yes but i was also like you can walk like i i understand that defeats the whole purpose of the movie i don't want to be that guy but like out like less than 90 minutes you can make it up to 90 first from there like i've done it i think it says a lot about the characterization of this movie that you buy that paul is a guy who would go i can find a shortcut rather than just start walking uptown and i also think part of why this movie being set specifically in soho at this exact time period is good because it kind of feels like a place where it'd be tough to get your bearings in new york yeah where even you're right below the grid right you're below the grid thompson street what is that right the blocks are weird shapes yeah you're below numbers as a soho uh uh worker the box aren't that weird but weird you got some triangles in there and shit if you go over to the west side i suppose yeah but also it's these big wide open streets without lights it was so dark yeah it's wet ass sidewalks i want to make a soho canon and i i need to look you know miss 45 the for our movie is also ho that's one uh unfaithful the adrian line movie has a lot of great soho stuff i you know it's such an interesting landscape uh mini landscape within new york because of what you're talking about you know the kind of weird uh the cobblestones uh big open streets uniformly like you know all the beautiful cast iron buildings like it's it looks a little it's gorgeous but it's a little encased it's a little different and this is the last time that soho is captured as just being like this is where freak artists lives in giant cavernous apartments yeah that no one wants that apartment is exactly what i thought new york was going to be as a kid this is whatever my mom has a story about this when she lived in manhattan at this time and she was downtown in soho like getting coffee at some cool coffee place with her friend you know and they're being cool new yorkers and then her friend saw her mom on a walking tour of soho being like led around by you know in a and my mom's friend was just like oh soho is over this is it that's it like fucking like this is happening it's over it's not cool anymore yeah and soho is over wow it is funny now it's all boutiques where if i walked in there they would throw me out this movie might have prolonged soho scariness for another decade where even as it was being developed from a distance outsiders weren't thinking to visit there no now it's just people waiting in line for like a croissant that sucks and they do suck they're bad we both work in soho they're all bad if you're ever waiting in line in manhattan for something for anything for anything it's not going to be good no this is and you should never wait in a manhattan line there's something there's linda street pizza no no there's there's one thing even worse which is paying someone to wait in line for you if you do that go to the gulag yeah that's the least new yorker shit in the world i know people who have done that you're gonna they're excommunicated from my life you're gonna want to walk to the hudson and then just keep walking keep walk into it keep going yep um yeah now there's a supreme store take a long walk off of chelsea pier that's what i say to those people it's a very new york episode but that makes sense because we're talking about after hours a great 80s new york movie i'm gonna open the dossier guys we're just we're just we're just you know we're circling it's one of the classic things that happens on this fire show i like that she's canonizing our iconic status our show is fire it is not chopped and no no our show has never been less i don't know guys yeah it's pretty chopped and we're pretty young we are very young okay well wait a second neither you nor i are uncles neither am i no i am an uncle yeah ben is yeah like a by my wife's older brother uncle by marriage yeah had a son i guess a year ago wow yeah shout out uncle ben uncle watch out for it watch out for the green goblin or any other muggers yeah i also was gonna say spider man's watch watch out for the woke police they're gonna kick your face off the rice bag have your wrists been shooting weird shit so far okay everyone's just got an uncle ben thing we're all just saying it's stumbling over each other the king of comedy is the prior film in uh martin scorsese's career made us not successful 200 domestic oh right right also everyone is just pumpkin now that is every person now this was that is unfortunately true it was very on the money about where fans of things were headed um but martin scorsese of course after making that movie is very focused on making his follow-up the last temptation of christ okay which also read the novel right he wanted to have made 10 years earlier right paul schrader had condensed a 600 page novel to a 90 minute script for the last temptation of christ which also read the novel right he wanted to have a script for him he rewrote it with jay cox uh marty added a little bit with jay cox in 83 paramount which is headed by barry diller and michael eisner and jeff katzenberg uh you know who obviously all you know dominate hollywood for the next 15 20 years in various ways uh green light the movie and then as they start to like scout locations figure out casting hear from nuns and priests around the world paramount gets cold feet cut the catzenberg and eisner uh suddenly find out that the movie is about jesus christ something that had like it's not in the title up until that point you know aiden quinn was gonna play the christ in that film and obviously he's very young and beautiful at that time and they apparently were okay with that marty says that some of the other casting people were nerdy they were nervous about we'll probably cover that whole saga whenever we you know for our last temptation episode i imagine so and then the religious protests start to you know bubble up and all that and then they're like oh my god we're gonna do this we're gonna do this we're gonna do this that and paramount is just, and also they were going to shoot in israel and back then you just didn't do that that much why it's a normal place i don't mean israel specifically i mean just like you know shoot giant parts of your movie in far off places like you know this is true everything was la right uh like the way marty puts it is like star trek 4 the reason they're in san francisco is the paramount was like that's as far as we want you going you know that's basically a an overseas yeah like a one hour flight from la basically that's fine yeah so uh it falls apart the right stuff comes out the ervin winkler production obviously another huge movie does so poorly that is the final blow yeah that they're just like this auteur shit big budget auteur shit we just don't like it um jack lang the french minister of culture then tries to get french money just from like the government of france to fund that movie uh exactly very well jesus would have to say that in the movie that's the that's the proviso you know uh harry offland is marty's super agent at the time he you know he's starts shopping around other studios but marty's like i need to survive like my last movie was a bomb yes i can't go crazy like my response to christ falling apart can't be just to like go renegade this is his raiders of the lost ark i need to show people like be responsible and play ball there is a screenplay written by joseph minion quite a good quite a good name 21 right yeah that's so crazy i think i think it was a film school project right yeah it was his senior thesis i think he got an a uh he got a gold star the film was originally called lies uh then it was retitled a night in soho it was written as his columbia thesis he said i was under the spell of kafka i was obsessed with orson welles's the trial uh also things like david mamet plays which are like set in one night or whatever uh henry miller norman mailer's the american dream i was frantically like moving apartments in new york when i wrote it so that energy is in there a little bit like i felt homeless in new york right like you know that's he's putting a little bit of that in he was just kind of going crazy and he wrote after hours which is so good it's it's a pretty perfect screenplay really is the film's obviously well directed by martin scorsese have you heard him yes right you're never gonna believe this david it's actually a really funny coincidence he is the director we're currently covering on this fire unchopped podcast but but this i do think this screenplay is is so clever and perfect yes it is um it's it's a money in the bank premise it is one of those movies that kind of is like unofficially remade every five years right i feel like people keep trying to do one has ever gotten close right it's it's wild how uh it feels easy one crazy night sort of you could just riff on this and even the amount of people who have done the new york version of it alone i mean even in the last 10 years there was the night before is basically doing this on christmas eve nick and nora's infinite playlist uh the lovebirds the completely forgotten michael showalter directed isa ray kumail nanjiani comedy i never saw that because i was kind of a covid movie it was one the first planned wide theatrical release movies that they just announced it's going it's going on fucking streaming they sold it to netflix immediately it's not very good and you you i remember even i auditioned for like a couple small parts in that and on paper you were like yeah sure it's been too long since someone tried to make after hours these are the right people this is this will be funny it never works no i think like you said it just setting it in any modern year is not it just takes the magic out of it phone heard it that's a lot of it and it's not a lot of and i also think a lot of it is that people try to pile up too much incident they get too crazy with the one crazy night yeah that what's you know the way that date night descends into like guns and another perfect example date night is action movie after hours good time oh sure i mean the the worst version right uncut yeah they share so much dna that also it goes a little more into crime thriller do you know what i'm saying yes you're right because i think if it's like things spiraling out of control after crime go wrong right that's different than the after hours which is quote unquote this happens to an ordinary person well okay yeah ordinary ish right you know it's funny the whole way through you're stressed out but it remains funny the entire time there's a point and you want to see him go through the ring yeah there's a point that's the other part of it yeah go on alley no there's just there's a point in any safty crime movie where like the anxiety just overtakes everything you're not feeling any humor anymore yes and you're with a person who through some lenses might be considered villainous i mean a good time toxic yeah he's a little yeah a little toxic yeah uh main character syndrome at times but i think that's another part of it is that this movie has a take on this character because he is the yuppie nightmare people miscalculate thinking oh if you make it more of an everyman and the audience is let in and the character is a surrogate it becomes more of a conventionally fun comedy where you're watching them struggle i'm going what what's happening instead you want a character where you want to see the screws turn in on them yeah and him being sort of an everyman makes it better because as soon as rosanna arquette dies you're like well where the fuck is this going for the next hour yes yes when everything is coming from the people around him you don't know you think it's good that rosanna arquette dies you like her death i think of his reaction to it is it's so funny he's like uh exactly exactly uh jj wants to point out i think this is uh interesting you know the the unmentioned thing is that the film is very obviously influenced by joe frank the writer and performer of radio dramas and monologues it's been alleged by joe frank and others that the opening act is basically ripping off a 1982 monologue he had called lies which is the first uh title of this script interesting uh which had this 10 minute segment about meeting a weird woman in greenwich village and he says like i saw the movie i was like oh yeah like this part is ripping me off and then he was like to be clear the rest of the movie's not like yeah then it goes in whatever direction it wants but i'm clearly you know being ripped off here a 2000 profile of him by salon remember salon oh boy do i uh says that he was paid off for a film that had plagiarized some of his dialogue that definitely is after hours they don't say the name but that he did get a settlement one day for something like that uh you can listen to the monologue he's linked to it and i'll read this uh i'll read this uh url right now no i won't um it'll be linked in the description sure we can it's it's in the dossier there you can you can link it out uh anyway this script finds its way to amy robinson and griffin dunn via one of his teachers the dusan makajev i don't know he's a serbian director who taught at columbia uh gives it over to amy robinson who loves the script thinks it's so crazy and dark and cool and i mean i guess the real question is is like is griffin dunn famous no no i this is what i want to zoom out for a second to talk about so amy robinson who produced the film with griffin and is very good in mean streets and basically doesn't act again has a couple little things but was very open about the female lead of mean streets yes um she was very open about that she just felt like the stuff she was reading was dog shit sure and i think dog day no she wishes she was reading dog day but she was like i was just in mean streets and she's reading scripts where she's like all of this sucks i don't want to be in bad movies after i've been spoiled by being in a great movie made by one of the best directors ever uh so she starts getting more interested in producing griffin dunn is a very well-connected young man his father's dominic dunn he comes from the dunn didion sort of larger orbit right so this is someone who's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got a lot of experience in the film industry and he's got kind of like from a young age at the nexus of like high culture in the united states of america and certainly in the tri-state area and i think he had a similar kind of frustration of i have all this ambition to be an actor and the auditions i'm getting suck like he just has all this piss and vinegar to be like i'm gonna find projects that i produce for myself to star in so i can will the kind of vehicles i think i should have into the world he also produces a ton of he and amy robinson have an incredible producing track including chilly scenes of winter which is and running on empty yes correct that's like the kind of stuff they're working on while this is right all coming together it's a little like michael douglas where it's like i despite being so well connected i'm not clicking as a movie star let me start producing stuff and maybe eventually if i'm legitimate enough as a producer i can produce my own vehicles and people won't say this is self-dealing or whatever chilly scenes of winter is john micklin's micklin silver it's a great movie uh that's like 79 uh baby it's you yes uh that's a john sales movie i've never seen that that's his first uh he has a small role in that right he's not the lead it's richard rosanna arquette and uh vincenzo spano yes also the first robert downey jr movie uh and he would later play iron man excuse me his first movie is pound yes his first movie as a like an adult yeah i just found is an incredible cinematrix play um it it does griffin don't have an acting role in that one not that i can see but maybe he had a time anyone let's take a look at rosanna arquette it connects him with um he has a small role in chili scenes he has a no he's just a producer maybe but obviously but he is obviously an american moral from london yes the uh john landis movie which he's excellent he's excellent and he's very good he's not the star grave david norton is the main guy but he's the guy who pops he's the fun character because he's all he has the dreams where he's all fucked up yeah and it's just he's got the color you know he's got all the exciting have you seen that film a long time ago i don't remember much of it it's very good an excellent movie made by someone who's responsible for several deaths uh in that sort of canon it's pretty close to the top yeah i would say um but it's got this great device where at the beginning of the movie spoilers for the basic premise of american werewolf in london these two backpackers are mauled by werewolves and or by wolves and one survives and one doesn't and the one who survives is haunted by his friend and griffin dunn is the conversations but every time he shows up his body's decaying further so it starts with just he's got the scars and then his skin is rotting and then he eventually becomes a skeleton that's the other thing so every image of him in the movie past the first 20 minutes is iconic yeah because it's griffin dunn wearing rick baker at the peak of his impressive yeah just and he gets to be the fun character because he's the sort of afterlife let me explain to you what's happening guy now and after hours yes he's the after hours guy right and his skin is pretty good sure well it's a little sweaty a little clammy yeah but it looks good okay breaking out we crushing on griff i'm gonna i'm gonna pin a thought here that i want to discuss more yeah and and this is the thing that it feels like our very young collective generation talks about a lot online the cool place where the kids are is why don't people look normal in movies anymore we've lost normal people sure he is such a perfect example of that sort of complaint of like he's a very handsome charming man but his teeth are a little yellow normal he's got some weird gaps he's got the unibrow you know his chest hair pattern is not like carved you're making him sound like an ogre no but but this is the thing compared to movies today i totally get what you're saying everyone in this movie rosanna raquette is so beautiful yeah but she doesn't have veneers no oh my god she hasn't gotten a bleph yeah but i hate the can i say i hate the black see i think i hate the bleph and then i'm like would i get it yeah i just i'm not gonna it's the opposite of the look i like okay so i've i've been watching videos of women's blephs they cut the it's horrifying they cut the skin off of your eyelid and then pull it up so that you're like when your eyelid is hooded it like removes the hood so it's why you know like emma stone's eyes allegedly you know how they look bigger now yes bleph you don't you'll start noticing it everywhere eyelids are hot i like eyelids they're a thing i'm attracted to sure did we evolutionarily like grow eyelids because they protect our eyes and keep them moister we don't need them anymore it's the is the bleph thing gonna be like the jerk where in two years all of these people are blind and it just turns out they've been like the dust has been going straight that is my fear right it's so scary don't get near my eyes it looks weird um this is a movie where we're incredibly beautiful charismatic people and they're like oh my god i'm gonna get all look like human beings katherine o'hara is so this movie is a babe parade yeah let's just be honest we're talking about watching this recently babe babe babe or watching this film often when katherine o'hara died and we were in the middle of a record and we were all really upset and i went home and i was like i want to watch something what should i watch you were like after hours yeah and i did knowing that this series was coming up or likely i only watched from katherine o'hara on yeah but she's hall of fame in this and we should acknowledge that among other things this of course a home alone prequel that explains how kevin mcallister's parents meet yeah they're part of a woke mob together wow um she's always looking for someone she has john heard was hot he's he's the stone herd who plays the uh angry bartender i guess in this one uh is the star of chilly scenes of winter it's a lot it's a lot of the kind of like he built her yeah uh and and then people that scorsese loves like scorsese loved setv supposed to direct that weird netflix thing right katherine o'hara feels like a move from him this is her at her yeah she is she's so funny i mean fiorentina i mean our cats like you're saying terry garg what if you fumbled the four coolest women of the 1980s haven't we all been there he's just unfortunately yes he's just fucking it's a fumble parade bo bichette up there just swinging a mess god bless what does that mean he's having a bad time i love you bo bichette all right so uh they they love this script and then they watch vincent the short by tim burton discuss this a little bit and then they watch the short by tim burton and then they watch the short by tim burton and then they watch the short by tim burton and then they watch the short by tim burton i think on our tim burton series which was the sort of calling card short it's very good you can watch it it's stop motion it's really great yeah it's on a lot of the nightmare releases it might be on disney plus you certainly can find it has frank and weenie not happened at this point no it's just vincent that they are intrigued by him you know off of and they go and meet him uh he was still at disney they said he was this you know he had like you know a short sleeve shirt and then uh pens in his pocket that are like bleeding into the shirt you know they're just like this is right a genius but like a little dork yeah and he'd already done little drawings of the characters he'd read the script you know he'd drawn characters with the big bug eyes like any tim burton thing and dunn told me that he was building like extensive models like he made little foam board kind of and this is what the set would be in the angles and everything it was going to be a lot more stylized now so now they're packages griffin dunn is the star and tim burton is the director they actually get terry gar attached pretty early and she's a fucking big deal she's an oscar nominee but no one is interested like so as much as it is kind of like oh burton stepped aside it's also like at the very most they were just going to get a tiny budget for this thing because it was this like weird dark movie that they're pitching around and of course amy robinson does know martin scorsese because she was in mean streets so she says we hadn't gotten too far with tim we hear last temptation got shut down and i'm like look you shouldn't ask this doesn't hurt to ask and as we said tim burton's like i'm not saying you like that i would i gratefully withdraw like i will not be you know fighting with martin scorsese over this i'm sure i'll figure it out which he does and they all it all worked out and i guess frank and weenie gets made in this period of time when he's attached developed yeah because that's 84 that is which is another short film of his that's very good yes yes you know but i think i think part of the impetus for him getting that off the ground you know it was a disney wanted something to do with burton because they had him under contract and b burton need to prove that he could do live action to help kind of gain trust for after hours everyone ends up fine marty is basically like i am in quasi director's jail a little bit i'm reading scripts none of them make any sense for me i had almost died from doing too much coke and having such a weak body i mean he puts it in a slightly more soft way than that but it's really his body was on contract right yeah um and you know he's like i'm not gonna subject myself to fighting with executives waking up at the crack of dawn you know making a movie putting myself through this unless it's something i really care about like i'm not gonna just take a gig this is ostensibly an independent film as well right sure well let me see yeah okay oh right beverly hills cop for example he was offered that with sylvester stallone you know back when it was sylvester stallone it's crazy to think that he was seen as so kind of dare i say it washed at that moment that they were like martin scorsese will take fucking paychecks stallone vehicle gigs because that's the thing it's like katzenberg and eisner at paramount clearly feel bad like they're like sorry we can't make your the christ movie yeah beverly hills cop right and like he's still respected but it's like obviously you now need to work for us rather than us working with you right and he's like what's that and they're like it's a fish out of water movie and he's like what's that you know like he's just it's just not his guy and they're like you know he's a cop from somewhere he comes to new york and he's like oh you mean like the don siegel picture coogan's bluff and they're like no beverly hills stop it like shush uh witness is another one uh recently covered on blank check um fairy fire podcast uh thank you very much and marty was kind of like i i'm not going to pennsylvania that doesn't make any sense as well you know what i mean yeah we've all been yeah like i can imagine now marty you know he'll get his ass to oklahoma maybe to you know but back then he was like i don't know from amish right like that's not my milieu don't put me in a field oh they should make an after hours with an amish guy they should like a rum spring after hours yes um or he just like takes three steps away from his family home and he has the same level of panic where am i then he gets after hours guess what martin scorsese's reaction is i know just how this guy feels he's reading it he's being like relate the hell out of this one uh and uh he says what a reality is it's a reaction against a Hollywood trying to get last temptation of christ made i always make personal films so like that i'm in this even if i didn't write it or whatever and yeah he he just he loves the sort of trapped in the underworld kind of idea you know the way he puts it is like you're playing a game you can't pass go you have to go to jail you can't collect 200 dollars you're just like trapped in a board game that you can't leave he's so he's into it here are some of his influences on the movie isle of the dead a val luton movie that takes place like over one night on a greek island okay i've never seen that one neither have i north by northwest sort of like the world is against him he's been framed he's like on the run you know what i mean that movie's made by alfred hitchcock that's right that's who directed horny king yeah uh and then some fritz lang movies like m man hunt woman in the window you know nighttime noir nightmare movies stuff like that do we think that if he was alive today alfred hitchcock would become a mukbang streamer oh god what is that one again i wish that people like pay you to eat too much food right isn't that what it is yeah yeah i see an eating broadcast right yeah and the watchers are called feeders oh i don't know i think because granular yeah about it good evening please remember to rate review hit that notification bell delicious i mean wasn't his whole thing that he would have like two entrees and he'd be like do you want food the great story of all right yeah like that mel brooks going to get dinner again yes and he came with the check and he goes one more time he's just like run that meal back yes uh yeah you know he's got a lot of other fucking rear window uh yeah a lot of hitchcock a lot of character feels very yeah yes so it gets picked up by geffen right you know so it's it is an indie but obviously geffen is a you know a robust company it's a little closer to nowadays where a lot of studio slates are actually largely financed and partially owned by companies like legendary and new regency and warner brothers distributes it right geffen funds it for a lot of for 4.5 million dollars so like a pretty small budget um yeah it's qualified for indie spirit awards and you know it comes with griffin dunn attached and marty is fine with that yeah he's never like bobby de niro will play you know what i mean like i guess he could have been a fucker about it yeah he could have but it's i mean it's his project yeah famously i'll quote griffin dunn and i'll just quote him here please marty knew i was a single man in new york who liked to party you know i was a single man in new york who liked to party and i was a single man in new york who liked to party mm-hmm yeah you know i like the ladies and he said very important paul hackett to have a look of desire in his eyes throughout the whole movie and that's what gets him into this play and mess in the first place so i need you to not have sex for the eight weeks of the shoot he basically put like boxing rules on him no sex you have to be like sweating horndog bullets in my movie you know what i mean you can't be going out having fun i'm just gonna say griffin dunn bit of a actually needed parameters around him i mean look i think would trip into sex griffin dunn is hot and cool yeah it is crazy to think that marty's just like i know what you're like no fucking and griffin dunn's like for how long but i i really think his reputation preceded him as like clearly because throw themselves at him because one day he starts to do a scene with linda fiorentino and as griffin says i was just too goddamn relaxed and marty went cut let me talk to you was it the scene where he's giving her a massage yes yeah that was the scene he's like i just come off a little too chill and marty was like did you get laid you fucker you fucked it all up it's funny because that's one of my favorite scenes of his in the movie but it works because the movie has to make him fail harder yeah to over correct how smooth he thinks he's being yes i agree the moment where he thinks that she's leaning in to kiss him and actually just falls asleep on his shoulder yeah is is maybe my single like favorite performance moment in the whole movie right uh his unibrow he says his mother is half mexican and he got the look from his mother okay fair enough he says he's done three movies where this is funny where the interest has quadrupled since it was made american werewolf in london this and practical magic which he directed yes he's not in was rudely not asked back for the sequel one of your favorite movies ever made insane movie that's one of your favorites it's a demented sims has always been pushing to do a griffin dunn director series i love two of his movies very dearly it's only four is that right i think that's right you love the two studio movies i love uh addicted to love which is an insane movie and i love practical magic the other one lisa pickard is famous which i've never seen and the accidental husband is there another one or is it just those four there's fierce people oh yes yep and the accidental husband and then he didn't even know what he was doing and then he made the documentary about uh and joan didion you know is uh yes and yes which is very good which i yeah which was on netflix or whatever but that's it yeah yeah but have you ever seen addicted to love you would like it really yes it's like meg ryan and matthew roderick both in kind of like mid 90s we're not sure how to still be famous and relevant era you know what i mean like they're both still a little bit searching for a new thing this is 90s it's like 97 okay so like 10 years yeah roderick has the most fascinating 90s i'll never get over how weird his 90s searching is where he's like maybe i'm the guy who studies godzilla but maybe i'm inspector gadget yeah like but that's the thing where he's like i don't want to always be a nerd so i'm addicted to love he's like what if i'm like kind of a trashy douchebag and it's like no but i'm interested right what a weird fit this is for you and then election is how he like closes out the decade where he's like you you fucking cracked it right um but it's about uh basically he breaks into a building and starts uh surveilling uh it doesn't look we can't get into it right now it's just you should check it out okay uh and have you seen practical magic yeah i don't love it are you how are you feeling about the sequel looks like just the worst dog shit it's so crazy yeah it's just it has that it just looks like a sweater commercial you know you know what suzanne beer i hate sweater commercials they just you can't turn on the tv without seeing five sweater i mean like you've seen that you've seen the trailer right no no i actually haven't seen the trailer oh it's just it's like that weird flat you know like it's just so bad can i throw out a new theory yeah because that was you know everyone's reaction to the devil wears prada trailer and then i thought the final film looked fairly good it's pretty good you know within our modern landscape yeah i think these trailers are just like not fucking color timed i think that's so much of the look of these movies is done in post now yeah and they don't even take the time to land on the look when they have when they're constructing the trailer it probably happens so late that all those things get dialed in yeah because you just see these trailers where you're like why does this look like i shot it now i know what color timing is but you know but just in case someone out there doesn't know it used to be a photochemical process now it's a digital process it's also sort of like digital intermediate is uh not the same thing but it's sort of part and parcel with the same stage of the process which is like manipulating the colors of the movie either because with lighting conditions or whatever you didn't get the exact look you want or you want to push something into an extreme like a movie like this is probably one where there was a lot of color timing work because it is really tough to shoot exterior nights especially in street scenes where there's not a lot of ambient lighting you know um feel free to skip but this is a fun story skip uh terry gar has always been a board uh marty knows her for that part or was she almost for that part okay marty knows her and so she's kind of grandfathered in she was always going to play that part rosanna arquette didn't audition uh i guess she'd been in baby it's you and marty knew her a little bit is susan after this this uh desperately seeking i just call her susan uh that's the same year wow she had a hot 85 that's an incredible movie have you seen that movie you would i'm really flopping no you're not flopping at all i'm just saying you would really like that movie yeah you would really she should be yeah you watch this and you're like why isn't she the biggest star on earth where she was on the cusp where she was in the mix yeah but you never i don't hear people reference rosanna arquette in the same way that they are quick to reference other children aren't in schooling i they're not in the schools we got lunch with timothy hitmaker simons and brought up a rosanna arquette story and you went why were you guys hanging out with rosanna arquette and i was like because she was in draft day and you said i have no memory of her being in that sadly and you you said i have no memory of her being in that sadly and you you said i have no memory of her she felt like she was mostly cut out of it or whatever yeah but even still when she shows up and stuff weirdly despite it being so big it feels like everything post-pulp fiction yeah even if you've seen it you're like rosanna arquette was in that yeah yeah well i mean i love her uh and i love her in this obviously um but yeah she kind of she says like everyone involved in after hours used to hang out at this new york bar and restaurant called cafe central bruce willis was the bartender hawking were always in there griffin and amy were always in there marty was always you know like that so she's just kind of like marty's just tapping the downtown scene wait bruce willis was at that point like employed as a bartender no i think it's more just he loves to tend okay i see i see um i must just call this out quickly i just was wanting to confirm in my head that rosanna arquette did get a fair amount of nominations for this movie uh she got a best actresses supporting role nomination from the baftas for for after for after hours yeah deserve the independent spirit awards nominated her for lead and this one wow in the indie spirit for best picture yep yeah the golden globes nominated her instead for desperately seeking susan that same year so i think she's a little competing against herself yeah because desperately seeking susan comes out later in the uk she gets a nomination for that the next year so she is in this zone where she's like on the bubble for oscars and getting nominated for all these movies but then i i just scrolled down and noticed that of course in the year 2000 She was nominated for Choice Hissy Fit. Oh. From the Teen Choice Awards for The Whole Nine Yards. Did she win? She did not. She was nominated. You want me to find out? I'll tell you, please, because the other nomination I want to call out is the Stinker's Bad Movie Awards. Nominated her for Most Annoying Fake Accent for The Whole Nine Yards. Is that a category that gets five solid nominees? What accent was she doing? New York or some shit. I have no memory. I mean, to the point, I have no memory of her being in that movie. Which year was that? Sorry, the Bad Accent year? Yeah. She has a Toto song, though. I was going to say, what year is the song? That's 80s for sure. So I will tell you that she lost to Adam Sandler for Little Nicky for Most Annoying Fake Accent. I want to say it's 84. That is accurate. I think that Toto album came out in 84, but I might be wrong. I'm getting a lot of, that's Isolation is the Toto album. Rosanna, Rosanna. It is a song about her. It is about her, but no, that's from Toto 4, which was 82. Oh, wow, okay. That's, of course, the album that has Afro. Of course. Which is of her. No, that's a Weezer song, David. Okay. I can also tell you. Yeah, we're young here. That, we're so young. Weezer, of course. Weezer. The band of Gen Z. Yeah. Weezer. Weezer. No, it kind of, there's a portion of Gen Z who is very Weezer. They've reclaimed it. What? What? Me. Ritual sacrifice that Rivers Cuomo do to get another generation's worth. It's them doing, like, the fucking Africa cover and shit. I don't like their Africa cover. It really irritates me. Gen Z. That's the most beautiful song ever. Weezer do an irritating cover of something? Sorry. And I truly loved Weezer when I was a teen. I've been. Yeah. I mean, but I stop at Green Album. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I'll go to. What's it called? Maladroids? I'll go to Make Believe with Maladroids. Yeah. Make Believe annoys me. Maladroids has good stuff. That's the one that has. Yeah. Feels like Summer is a good song. Is it? If you hear it in a good mood, it's really. It's like the new Dua Lipa album. I heard it in New York and it pissed me off because I was like, no one feels like this. And then I heard it at the beach and I was like, oh, okay. Now, how did you hear it at the beach? I pressed play. Yeah. I'm guessing. I sat my ass down and listened. Step one, go to beach. Step two, sit your ass down. You want to know something really sad? What? I haven't been to the beach yet this year. Oh, no. A nation cries. How dare. I need to get to the beach. Bring me next week. Get on that Rockaway bound A. Oh, I got a car. Oh, fuck. Oh, I drive to the car. David's really. I just said I drive to the car. David's really into boogie boarding. Yeah. No. No, I am not. Can't say that. Did you? Banana boat. I have an inflatable banana boat and I just bring it to fucking Rockaway beach. You blow it up with your life. After hours, too. I can tell you that the Teen Choice Award for Choice Hissy Fit was given to Lisa Kudrow for hanging up that year, which is demented. How many teens saw hanging up? You know, it's weird, but that is also the Analyze this year. That's what they should have given it to her for. Was it a tied award? No, and I can tell you the other nominees. Or was Analyze this 99? What the fuck am I talking about? Analyze this 99. Yeah. I can tell you the nominees for Choice Hissy Fit were Lisa Kudrow, Rosanna Arquette, Joan Cusack for Toy Story 2. One of Jessie's Hissy Fits, where I guess she's like, Woody, I don't want to be condemned to life abandoned or whatever. Yeah, right. John Cusack for High Fidelity. Wow. He has great Hissy Fits in that. And I like nominating a man in this category. Yeah. Cameron Diaz for Any Given Sunday. I mean, I've seen that movie. I've seen that movie plenty of times. Stop playing football. That is too violent. Angelina Jolie in Girl Interrupted. She's mentally ill. This is a very weird category. That's a very different thing. Ben Stiller in Mystery Men. Now, he makes sense. He's Mr. Furious. He's Mr. Furious. All he does is throw his Hissy Fits. Jodi Lynn O'Keefe in Whatever It Takes, which is like a teen comedy with a James Franco looks so cursed, you must look upon it. James Franco kind of rocking the Travolta Pomeranian hairdo. I've had Frankos on the show. I've had Frankos on the mind a lot recently, and that's crazy. Are you okay? Doctors are available 24 hours a day in New York City. If you take antibiotics, you get that out of your system. I read If Beale Street Could Talk, and then I watched the movie. Which Dave is in, of course, playing a rabbi. There is no odder casting decision. He's a Hasidic Jew landlord. He plays a Hasidic Jewish landlord who rents an apartment to the main couple. I forgot about it. He's got like a sweater. He's like walking around with them. You read the book, and you have such a clear image of him. And then he shows up in the movie, and he's like, Hey, guys, it's me. What the hell? I would assume that was almost a favor to a small budget movie, right? Like Franco was like, I'll be in your movie. But it's Dave, right? But it's Dave. That's the thing. It's Dave when he doesn't necessarily on paper. He's not that famous. He has a yarmulke on to show that he's Jewish. And he's like the one total like white ally in the movie. Yeah. He's the one good white person. He's like, don't worry, guys. I just love love. It's the one. Right. He's also a hippie. He's a hippie. A hippie. So, you know, the one moment in that movie that clanks off the backboard. I don't think it was written as a hippie. I think he just was playing Dave Franco with the yarmulke on. It's just crazy that Choice Hissy Fit made it all the way to 2018 before they finally did away with it. Who was the last winner? Who was the final winner? Evelyn Petsch for Riverdale. Wow. They fucking folded TV. She was hot Cheryl on Hot Archie. Get the fuck out of here. I don't even know. Which one's Cheryl? I don't even know. I don't know. Do you think Ann Dowd has a TV? Teen Choice Award for when she put Marley down? I'm looking. Did she put Marley down? She put Marley down. She killed that doll? Yeah. That was. With a gun? A lot of people don't realize. She shot Marley in the head. She breaks his neck. A lot of people of our collective generation don't realize that their first introduction to Ann Dowd was her killing Marley. I should have brought that up to her. I completely forgot. What would you? I'm so sorry, sweetie. She would have taken you by the hands. I can tell you that she has no Teen Choice Award. Do you mean the kids, Lincoln? She has a huge oversight by them. She has a Kid's Choice Award for Best Villain as Aunt Lydia. Almost more surprising is that she only has won AARP movies for grown-up nomination. That is rude. For what? For Compliance. Wow. Which she should have gotten an Oscar nomination for. She's very good in that movie. I didn't love that movie. No, I don't either. She was like undeniably. She's so good. That was one of those like, that was like a DIY Oscar campaign too, right? Because that movie cost like four bucks. The campaign was her being like, I'm paying out of pocket. Because this movie has no budget. Right, right, right, right. David. Yeah, we're doing great. Okay. After hours. Yes, you're right. You're so right. Okay. Catherine O'Hara, I just want to say, as you said, Marty was a huge SCTV fan. Yep. She says she remembers being pumped up by Marty where he would go, who's this little fucker? He thinks he can tell you what to do? You're the one helping him. Like he would like kind of agitate her before they called action. I'm like, you hate this guy, by the way. He sucks. Like, he's really annoying. John Hurd. He'd been in Chili Scenes of Winter. And Cheech and Chong, of course, are in the film. Now, some people count this as a canonical Cheech and Chong entry. Because they basically are being themselves. That's the question. Being those characters. Does anything negate them being Cheech and Chong? They shout out their character names. Right. They are called Neil and Pepe. But there's also like, you know, Corsican Brothers is a movie where kind of like the Muppet movies. They're like playing their dynamic, but they're playing other characters. Sure. Well, funny. Now, if you should mention the Corsican Brothers, because when they were in Cannes, that's how they met Marty. Right. And that's, uh, yeah. Right. And I also want to say, Dunn, you know, they have this script and Marty was like, I think these guys should be like Cheech and Chong. Yeah. And Griffin was like, it could just actually be Cheech and Chong. Sure. Like, why not? Why not? You're like, they're hanging out. But yes, he met him at Cannes. Uh, and then he called. He called them and said, hey, this is Marty Scorsese. You remember me? And they said, yeah, the little Italian guy. I think it was Chong specifically. I just love the idea of him saying that to Marty. Now, this, this might stun you guys to learn, but, um, everyone on set, including Martin Scorsese and Griffin Dunn were very intimidated by Linda Fiorentino, possibly because she's the hottest and coolest woman alive. Yeah. We, we were texting with our, our buddies, our news and deals group thread the other day and fantasy just did a quick. Like Fiorentino hall of fame. And she is one of those people where if you just lay it out there, the top five or top six, uh, the impact she had, especially on young developing male minds was pretty seismic. She's such a, she's the sculptor. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. She's the best. Uh, but, uh, but a notoriously intense person. Sure. Um, but in this movie, incredible, but did scare the shit out of everyone. Will Patton in a role where you're like, this is Will Patton. Yeah. Later plays. Like, you know, farmers with big mustaches or whatever. You're like, that's for him. Or like evil farmers. Right. Or evil farmer with an even bigger mustache. I sold out your farm. He had been in Sam Shepard's play fool for love. Marty had loved it. The Randy Quaid part, I'm assuming. Right. And, but apparently he was basically like, I totally knew the after hours world. Like I got that, you know, I knew how to play like a scary, weird artist guy. Horst. Horst. He's so cool. Yeah. He is cool and hot. He's hot. Yeah. He's hot. He is intense. It's crazy. Yeah. Film was shot in 40 nights for Marty. That's quick. Yeah. I would say when you watch this movie, you're like, oh, do they make it in 20 days? No 40. But for him, that's quick. He turns to Michael Ballhouse, probably his most consistent cinematographer in his career. This is their first collaboration. He knew him from fast binder movies, which were very low budget, tight schedule movies. So he kind of was like, I feel like you'll be good at quick setups. and all that versus King of Colony, whereas we discussed him. and his DP were kind of encouraging the worst traits in each other. He thought Fred Shuler was slow and it only made him slower and all that. Ballhouse had also shot Baby It's You so he's got a little bit of that. Got it. Marty considers making this movie a rejuvenation that can like rekindle his love of movie making. He just loved making this movie. It was like so fun and free. Like Last Waltz is that after New York, New York and this is that after King of Comedy where he needed to be saved a little. And like it's like they start work at 5 o'clock at night. They end at 5 in the morning. The streets of Soho are basically empty. It's like really easy for them to shoot versus King of Comedy where like every New York scene was really hard. And they just had the best time. You can feel it. There's a lightness about it that is really nice. Also there's so much Goodfellas DNA in the way the camera moves and it's really fun to watch. It's so exciting. Yeah. And it's just a movie. I've shown this movie to so many friends over the years because casual cinema friends like are not really aware of it especially back in the day I guess. And you could just always be like there's a little Marty gem you don't know about and it's this and it's yeah it's the best. The ending of course is added later. Yes. There's a film tested the ending didn't work essentially. What was the original ending? Do we know? I don't know if it's on the Criterion disc. I know it was on the original DVD back in the day where you could see the storyboards for the original ending which are still the Verna Bloom character but instead of her engulfing him in paper mache he was going to crawl inside of her womb. So that was an idea. Yes. But the actual ending that audiences are shown he's just still in the sculpture and it ends. Got it. He doesn't make it back to the office. And audiences were like what? You know like he's just trapped? The first time I watched this I thought that her missing husband was in the paper mache. Oh sure. Not missing. You know what I mean. But that might be sort of the implication that yes he's somewhere. Yes. Michael Powell is on set and he pitches what if he ends up in a hot air balloon and just flies over the city. Good. And they're like that's a great idea but then they're like it's a little boring though like the energy of it doesn't quite match and then he shows it to De Palma and Spielberg his buds and then someone I think it's Minion that the screenwriter actually has the idea that you're talking about that yeah that he was going to be birthed by Verna Bloom onto the West Side Highway. And David Geffen is like who the money man is like that's disgusting. I will not fund that. Once again storyboards of him crawling into her womb. Right. And then he starts doing baby Def Jam comedy. And that right. We were talking about this off Mike. There's an AI account that says baby Def Jam comedy and I regret to inform you that's pretty well written. But Michael Powell once again then finally is like what if he just goes back to work. And they're like oh yeah right. That makes the most sense. I think it's brilliant. I love this. You can't believe it wasn't the ending they had from the get go. Because you're like oh of course this is a perfectly written screenplay. That's the idea from the beginning right. Right. That he's right back there and the music's playing again. The Beethoven or whatever you know. And the camera's going crazy. The camera's going crazy and you're like yeah baby that's life in New York City. Let's go Mets. Is this a divisive ending? No. No. No. No. It was. It was. It tested very well. The divisive was when he didn't make it back to the office. But then the movie comes out and we'll talk about the movie. And they're kind of all like we made a fucking hit here. I mean it just like does fine. And they're all a little nonplussed. They're all like what? This rocks. Makes like 10 million. Yeah it did okay. Wins best director at the Cannes. Right. And it wins best film at the Independence Awards. But it's like not a breakout. But you know whatever. Like so it goes. Fuck you I guess. Yeah. That's what Marty says. And then he goes and makes color money where it's like that actually is a huge hit. Well sure. It's in the way that you move. Yeah. In the way that you move. Yeah. Yeah. So it's about Paul Hackett. He's an annoying horny little yuppie twerp. Yes. He's. He's. He's sit at computer with Bronson Pinchot. Yeah. They enter data. Yeah. He describes himself as a word processor. Yes. That was like a job back then. That was a job. That was an actual job. That's not like a slang term. That's what you'd respond to the listing. Need word processor. Yeah. It's like the computer barely could do anything. You had to put the words in it. You had to massage it. You had to go please. Pretty please. Consider myself a bit of a word processor. Yeah. He works at a I don't know a firm. A computer firm. I mean he works in money or some shit. Who cares. And he goes to a cafe to read. To read. The Tropic of. Is he reading Tropic of the Ancestors. Yes. Because that's why Rosanna talks to him. Correct. Right. Because he appears to be a man of letters. He's processing those words. You know what. You are correct. Another way that foam would have ruined the movie is if he was scrolling she would have no idea what he was doing. If he was listening to a fucking audio book. Yeah. If this came out today he'd be listening to a fucking audio book. Oh God. I'm trying to find which restaurant it is but I don't actually know. Some of the other locations are quite iconic. I love the cashier. My favorite moment in the movie. My second favorite moment in the movie is when he asks the guy for the pen and he like does a spin before he gives it to him. I think it's so fucking funny. He's practicing the dance moves. Yeah. All night. Yeah. It is so cliched to say this movie captures that weird New York energy but that is the vibe sometimes. It's like that is what happens. Everyone's got like some weird bit going on with them that you only like brush against or whatever. And it's so inconsequential but it like it feels crazy in the moment. And like you know there's these stores called Bodega's and they have these like sandwiches no one else has. Bacon, egg and cheese. Wow. Can I throw. I gotta make fun of us as well. The other thing. Yes. I think this is like a fascinating AIDS crisis movie. Sure. I think it's like really deeply coded into the text of this film. It is a movie that is about a yuppie guy confidently entering a lot of what are traditionally queer spaces and everything feels hostile to him. But it's also a movie about what are the life and death stakes of trying to hook up with one person you find attractive. You know and as he continues to like sort of bounce around different women. Everything has the stake of like if you say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing are you possibly putting a foot in the grave. And down to him entering the punk scene. You know dancing waiters. I mean obviously the art scene like all these different places that he's going into and these people he's interacting with. And then you obviously build to a scene where he tries to find solace in a stranger who thinks that he's trying to pick him up. That he's a gigolo. And even the gay neighbors who are trying to protect the guy's apartment. Right. It's one of the things that I think has made this movie age very well is it. I think a lot of filmmakers wouldn't have touched that stuff. Sure. You know they would have stayed away from the queerness of New York and Soho at this point in time especially as it was such a hot button political issue because of the AIDS crisis. And you know tried to make the most commercial conventionally funny version of the movie. One crazy night movie. Right. They also probably wouldn't have Roseanne Arquette die. Spoilers like they'd stay away from some of the darkness. Oh we'll be spoiling the film in this episode. In this episode we will be spoiling this film. He sort of picks up Roseanne Arquette or she kind of leaves this breadcrumb of like well my roommate makes plaster of Paris paperweights of bagel cream cheese. Which I want. Yeah. I do when he later in the movie is like by the way yes I wanted to fuck you but I do want the paperweight and where are they? The papers are floating around my room right now. It actually would serve a practical purpose for me. I could have put the paperweight in the basket with the $20 bill and I would have stayed in there. If they made this movie today she'd be giving him an Etsy link. She's on Marketplace. She wouldn't say come to my apartment. I'm waiting for an embroidered Nick's tank top right now from Marketplace and that's what the deal here is. A whole tank top takes forever to embroider. I know she was like the early the earliest I can do is this weekend. I'm like how fast are you embroidering? I remember the other point I was going to make because it's invoking one of your favorite points. Friendly of its close friend and Martin Scorsese directed two different things about her. The criterion commentary is Marty and Fran. I gotta listen to that. Yeah, it's good. But she has her great. She's just like sodas are too expensive or whatever. You can't get a cab dollar per bubble. She has the great take that you love to bring up where the real devastation of the AIDS crisis was that it knocked out all the people who fucked. Yes. She's like everyone cool died in New York. Right. Right. And this is a movie that's capturing the final moments of not just a New York City that feels a little bit dangerous and undeveloped but also a New York City as like these communities are starting to get hollowed out. Yeah. You know, and I think that's what's smart about it sort of like without ever directly stating it making it this movie that's about sex and danger and exploring the city in the nightlife and everything is you're watching a thing like disappearing in real time. Sure. And even just the emptiness of the streets. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Right. That that's that's what the movie is about is sort of like is is any one night stand you have possibly going to lead to the end of everything. Yeah. And even in that cavernous apartment when he thinks that he's going to go back out and there will be two people there and then there's just suddenly nobody there. Well, and it's also a straight man suddenly entering hookup situations that are, I would say at this point in time, closer to the kind of like clandestine, deeply closeted, fearful situation. circumstances that many queer hookups were happening in. down to just being like whose fucking apartment is this why is that name crossed out like everything is a little bit mysterious and risk versus reward for him and it's all just driven by god that girl at the diner is really fucking hot i'm gonna write down her number and try to just go to her place another thing that i think younger generations have like immense nostalgia for where it's like you meet a person pick someone up and they just go like come here later you don't have to send 17 texts to be like omw need me to pick anything up still good to come over you don't need to arrange like uh pretend like hey let me go up into your apartment see what it's like right yeah you don't have to text the group chat like dead bodies in that room you just hang up papers you just hang up the papers it's actually impressive how quick the turnaround time is on the flyers because they're also well designed they're well they look great she's talented yellow paper this is what he won't acknowledge like he does he can't he can't see the forest from the trees here like one time in an apartment with katherine o'hara i'm just like everyone else i forgot i'm just like what are we doing me and you right now forget it to paraphrase ben yes if i'm in this movie it ends with me owning an island with katherine o'hara i go hey this is the real thing what if we leave the country and go somewhere where they maybe couldn't extradite me so uh he gets in a cab and has a hilarious chaotic cab ride where he loses his money it's like a roller coaster ride right and he's very very funny hold up his empty wallet as proof that there was once a $20 bill there it's so funny look these hold money right surely there was once money the funniest moment in the movie is the subway moment right it's just like such perfectly dialed subway moments yes the fair's gone up guy yes and then the later guy i love that guy he's just like what if i go to that one shot of him jumping running straight into the cop and then having to backtrack yeah that he jumps back out even though he could just walk through so yeah that's the train that's the one i wanted that is uh my work stop spring street on the c and e you work for blank check productions oh that's so true yeah and there my work stop of course is we'll throw them off the scent are you taking the six from spring or the a c i take this i take the c from my gym to work uh blank check productions your stop is run concoma yeah that's right everyone get out there to run concoma um yeah i know the ind sixth avenue spring street stop is uh where they film all the subway stuff because he's stuck down there he's stuck in soho but first of course he gets to kiki's first meter before his trials really begin he does he invokes the taxi the cabbie's wrath but he makes it to kiki's apartment right he only gets kicked out at the moment he reveals that he doesn't have the money when he's already made it to the destination marcy is resent our cat kiki is fiorentina but she's there and she's making howard street sure yeah you can uh you can go there anytime cost now okay you want me to look it up zillow zillow it uh and uh she's making a giant paper mache sculpture of a screaming person uh let's see unit three it says price on request fuck you just tell me it's a multi-family building in new york it was built in 1915 i mean those so soho does have you know these incredible cast iron like buildings that are so distinctive and cool and obviously they all it still kind of looks the same have you been have any of you ever been to one of those soho lofts sure well like not a loft no i toured some horrible soho apartments but never anything like that yeah my my buddy's aunt bought in the 70s an apartment on franklin street whoa and so more like tribeca i guess it was insane it really was the same layout like it is in this movie just a giant open room with huge high ceilings it was so nice it's so funny you see an apartment like that and the answer is either like my family invented it or it's just like it's just like it's just like it's paper and this is one of 20 places i own or i was a waitress in 1972 and i got my tips one night and bought the building i can tell you that apartment three okay on 28 howard street which is a one and a half bedroom like four through unit rented for seventeen thousand dollars a month do you have pictures i can send now to our listener that is expensive and absurd and should be illegal absolutely i also ali sent you um a plaster of paris paperweight that ben found on nancy thank you what you just sent to me he sent it to us oh thank god i'll be buying yeah seventy eight dollars um so yeah worth every worth it um so yeah all right so so the first sort of set piece is right like interacting with crazy old kiki who's so cool and scary and sexy and then marcy comes home and sort of is odd and there's the the suspicion that there is a a burn situation i guess i mean how do we describe i'm sorry i just need to call out the the etsy listing for this plaster of paris bagel and cream cheese paperweight the seller is kiki's bagels yes it's very fun i like it's very you know it's not a coincidence they're going for it um yeah come on talk me through the marcy kiki this is another thing that feels a little aids coded to me if there's just sort of like something mysterious about her body linda fiorentino at first keeps talking about how nice his skin is and how he doesn't have any scars and how bad scars are and then he keeps seeing these things he doesn't like and then he doesn't like it and then he doesn't like it and then he sees medication creams or whatever this book of burn victims and he has this very deep-seated health anxiety from when he was younger totally yes because something happened he went to the burn ward even though he didn't have burns and the nurse was doing like psychological warfare on him of like hey if you take off your blindfold we're doing more surgery on you yes and right he's sort of fascinated he's worried about what he's gonna see if she undresses but also still kind of fascinated and wanting an answer right uh and everything about this woman seems mysterious you know everything that was like alluring about her at the diner now all starts to feel a little bit dangerous or unhinged or messy what's what's like the gen z term what would describe her like she has a disorder for sure okay that's the term now i can't diagnose she's acting funny mentally unstable is that what the kids say she seems right she would have good instagram stories is how we say it nicely there that is what he has i feel like the the barest grasp of he actually doesn't understand no that really what's going on with her is she's just a very troubled person yes he thinks there's some like mysterious burn thing going on with her he thinks like he's not just like oh she's wildly depressed or manic or something like that you know like he's acting like if you pull the ribbon around her neck exactly her head's gonna fall off and instead it's like this person has had several very abusive relationships no yeah indeed yeah um uh my wife's asking for a good place to go for a drink tonight with her with her girly it's not with me i'm not invited i'm doing bedtime that's fine yeah um what books in the lineup do you do you pre-select what you're gonna do for bedtime no my daughter picks obviously for a while she had these kind of like basic like uh marvel superhero books that she bought like when we went to the bookstore she was like captain america and i are they the little golden books they're that vibe but they're the ones that are like hello my name is captain america this is my shield it's like there's no story it's like explaining his stats it's sort of explaining the origin story in a very like tasteful way you know whatever the origin story might be like the back of a trading card spread out across 15 pages yeah they're really they're awful i mean she's been reading lots of cool books as well yeah is she still rocking the dwayne johnson she hasn't touched on him in a while maybe he'll return so ben can explain but he bought my daughter a little golden book correct about the life of the life and time of my daughter and i'm like oh my god of dwayne johnson they make that down to his divorce it's not like someone's not like on etsy making that's like no i'll show you the cover wow uh was she just completely like taken wow yeah yeah she calls it rock book it is as i've said on this podcast before oddly mostly concerned with the launch of his career barely touches on the movies it's mostly about seven bucks being a football player in like 20 references that kids her age don't have she'll be like you know what's smart is that he built a business flywheel in which all the different elements feed into themselves um yeah no what she i mean there's this book finally ready to expand to the tequila space tickle octopus if you guys know that one it's a big one for her right now i don't know you know she's got lots of they can tickle because they have eight arms it's about a bunch of a family of cavemen who like find an octopus and then they like it teaches them to laugh i don't know she's not expecting the tickle octopus to have cavemen neither did i neither did i and yet um but you know okay so all right why does he leave the apartment the day he's just unnerved he just is freaked out no one transitions like david sims i'm just i'm like i'm keeping us going i'm keeping us going baby no no like right like there's no he she's just increasingly odd and he just kind of freaks out right yeah and he's also had the the extended flirtation with linda and roseanne arquette's like kind of like right she shows up at the door with her top off and she's like is she home yet or what asked for a massage falls asleep on his shoulder david's fanning himself i mean she's just such an original crush for me her voice is so deep in this movie too i know she's got the smoky voice to begin with this feels like the deepest where even when you hear on the intercom and she's like i'm upstairs oh my god i just won't take it sounds like fucking jigsaw you want to play a game she does kind of jigsaw She does a little. She has a light jiggery. right she kind of teaches him a lesson and it is like saw in that it's like the sculpture's there from the beginning you have five minutes to give me a massage or else you end up inside paper mache she's just so cool in this movie when she throws the keys with her mouth awesome that's another like new york thing that there's not enough of that anymore the old dropping the key out the window because i don't have like a fancy buzzer now it's a freaking fob nowadays you're airdropping a door code no i was fishing in my bag for my keys the other day and another guy who lives in my building walked up had his app open and he did that the door pissed me off the door opened automatically when he yeah he has the app to open the door i was like that's gross what's the the app called knob is it castle is it castle we use castle to get into my castle yeah to get into my uh office nathan fillion's app yeah it's nathan phillips the show's not available griffin the app has an incredible amount of fun sexual chemistry with the cop and he's the author that's all in the app you know the app is just buzzing with this kind of like will they won't they bones but he's more arrogant or something i guess so i just i don't really i never really watched castle but like in bones at least it's like he's like i work for the government i like i'm an fbi agent or whatever like my job is to do this and we need you anytime we find bone she's a bone expert and so the tension is there where he's like i really this is really more my thing and she's like but the bones right and he's like ah in castle it's what it's just like there's a crime when he's like i read a book about a crime once like she should just be like shut the fuck up be quiet he's a crime novelist and it's like he writes the best mystery so he can solve them okay it is okay it's crazy that nathan fillion was like we love him king of the geeks oh it's a shame he never became a movie star you watch firefly he should have been harrison ford or whatever and then he's just like 20 years of network television castle and the the rookie the rookie remember that ben started leaning in when we said bones david what are you doing sorry i just i can't help but talk about bones whenever it comes up i get it just so funny you're telling me it's so funny york is overrun with bones fever right now there's so many bone crimes you can feel it ben bones bones bones uh after i was okay i'm so excited oh i'm doing it now go on never mind say it say it go on i'm going to prog later this year there's a bone church there is a bone church there it's very cool that's cool i've always wanted to go to the catacombs but i'm like that's haunted i'm gonna die no you'll be fine just me i'll go with someone who knows how to get out yeah like london yeah yeah oh my god or emily de chanel that's probably the better choice yes yes but and then and you can have some will they won't pay attention with well before she's great at that right and you can deliver a pizza late and she'd choose her gum really like an exaggerated way oh yeah right yeah i'm not paying for that that's what she says spider-man 2 did the kids like spider-man 2 yeah nowadays are you talking about like the toby mcguire yeah yeah the only marvel movies i've seen are spider-man and spider-man 2 i was obsessed with them yeah i was obsessed with them as a kid i had a betta fish named peter parker this is this is my sister as well basically tapped out on all superhero movies after the raimi trilogy i got her to see no way home because i spoiled for her like toby's mcguire's back and that was the only thing in the world of superheroes that's the only thing that possibly get me back to yeah when he has the tray and he catches all the shit on oh he do be chills thinking about that a lot of fun yeah every year they get better this is the thing the genre gets worse and the movies get better it's just like building up a callus like they they punch it with a new movie and he's like i'm only stronger right it's a martial artist who's broken all their fingers so that the punches are so fucking hard so okay he he exits this situation he tries to take the the subway it's past midnight the fair has gone up to one hour it just went up it's so fucking it's so good so that's when he ends up at the john heard bar which i want to have the location of that one too that is um uh the emerald pub now closed but it was on 308 spring street um close fairly recent when did it close uh what's there now yeah i think it closed pretty recently because like there's like a yelp profile i've been there yeah uh what's there now i think nothing oh boy let's get something there i stay walking on spring street i mean that's pretty close to like eel bar i mean not sorry not eel bar um ear in you know yes i think that's one of the best like old school bars in new york place rules which is even further east still feels a little after hours it doesn't feel violent i go there all the time if anyone wants to stalk me i go there for lunch that bar is like what he's looking for like in in in paul's dreams he finds ear in and is able to just kind of fucking relax there for a bit um okay so yeah he ends up at the bar with john heard uh who i think is so close to the bar well cast because john heard does have he's a little scary yeah exactly he has the kind of blue collary energy of like yeah you know i'm fucking teddy but right he's just a little threatening he was an intense guy and he's like yeah well yes yes yes he was an intense guy yes i think his reputation preceded him too that's in the dossier a hundred percent his his career sort of uh you know he was one of the interesting young men leads right like marty was basically when he was suggested was like he's talented but isn't he like fucking crazy it was less extreme than eric roberts but a little bit parallel to that of like this guy's good but his life too short and he's already at this point now like maybe you have like three scenes right and maybe the movie isn't pinned on you and then of course being kevin's dad becomes weirdly the like reputation washing thing that everyone remembers him for but uh apparently amy robinson like went to him and was like marty wants you to do this movie but he's worried about you and heard was like i get it he has nothing to worry about and like was got it okay no right behaved himself but he was just like an intense angry dude yes i mean yeah i mean just like a really intense dude um and uh so what do we think of john hurd and so on and so forth in this uh movie after hours that we're discussing today guys i mean it's just the stuff in this movie that could be so overplayed that is so elegantly done and it does feel like this is the movie where marty gets to flex a big filmmaking hero of his but just in the sort of timing and the elegant characterization but these are the things that are so overplayed that are so elegantly done and it does feel like this the the tightness of time between when john hurd makes a joke about someone committing suicide and then turning around and picking up the phone and getting the news that his girlfriend committed suicide and then having to reveal to griffin dunn accidentally that he is the boyfriend of like all of that folding in right and all playing out across his face and being played totally straight and it's so fucking funny it's so funny because the comedy is all just in the pacing of it yeah the the sort of video gamey 80s vibe of like i can't open the cash register without these keys so i'm gonna give you these keys that are gonna get you into my apartment so you can get the other keys it's just like there's no backups no everything makes sense in this screenplay yeah even if it's this like ludicrous escalation of like he can't fucking as you're saying like he could always just walk home yeah surely he could just walk home but like it's like no so you hold on to this so that i can take that and so i have to come back and get that from you you know like it's a lot of like well zelda there's been the burglaries lately he's a stranger in this building he floods the toilet i think there's the other thing factored into it which is there's the part of him that's like i did come down here for rosanna arquette i know i ran away yes but if i leave without circle back there right right do i need to score with someone else because i made the choice to leave my apartment at 11 30 p.m right or do i ultimately give her another shot i i simply would never do it if someone asked you to leave your apartment at 11 30 p.m you would never do it if someone asked me to leave my apartment at 11 30 absolutely i'd be laughing too i love being home so much oh i'm such a night owl i would do that now uh even now yeah what are you doing i'm gonna text what are you doing at 11 30 going out and getting into trouble oh yeah no i love when she's like you want to go get a cup of coffee and he's like is anything open right now it's like like 12 31 yeah he's such a loser the great dick miller the great uh at the bar sorry at the diner which is uh i want to look that one up to the um the river diner which is gone but it's like an old school classic like rail car kind of diner i bet it's a tiktok house now they got those fucking croissants there oh my god the suck sans the what they suck oh you said those croissants suck so now i've decided that's their trendy name the suck sans you gotta try the shitty croissant it sucks so hard more workshop than that right that actually wasn't in soho the river diner that was up by like kind of with the javits you know like oh by the water and the third one and then it was like oh my god it's like oh my god it's like oh okay or whatever they used to call it called it like diner alley there used to be so many of those kinds of diners over there um i assume for the you know guys who worked the ships or whatever i don't know it was 37th and 11th avenue yeah really cool it's one of those diners oh i don't know what you're talking about i know your favorite neighborhood in new york is the hudson yards i love hudson yards and hell's kitchen you love to go to the vessel yeah my favorite neighborhood is the basement of the javits center you love the javits center that's where your favorite place to eat your favorite place to hang out and party yes um yes i went out to dinner at 9 p.m last night i want to brag where burger king oh you know bartolo yeah what'd you get oh well we got you want to hear okay got these mushroom things we got uh the anchovies that are on like the piece of toast with like a full rectangle of butter underneath them you go with ellen and rachel well well well well well must be nice uh we got these like cod fried potatoes we got this like pea salad we got a big old lamb rack of lamb wow david what are you doing i'm sorry sorry that was a record show i just i just want i want people to see i'm keeping things on rails today i was done with dinner at 11 it's not just me we're seeing in real time it's not just i was done with dinner at 11 congratulations and i was like oh my god this is so late the idea that after that i would go out like that i would be like all right time for me to begin my night i would i would die this is a genuine humblebrag but any time it's not like it happens every week but occasionally someone will invite me to an snl after party and i'm like that sounds like a fucking nightmare horrifying you mean i can't get there until 1 a.m i'm gonna be awake but i'm gonna be awake in bed watching the larry sanders show that's my night i went to snl wow on the weekend brag um in 2023 on the weekend it was the same time as daylight saving so not only did i get home at like 6 a.m but it was like seven now you're now it's horrible i've never felt worse in my life it's terrible yeah that i that does seem crazy to me i mean even watching snl in my house when it's done i'd be like i'm tired i'm too late yeah uh so okay what all right what happens uh she he he he goes back to like he confronts the thieves stealing the um he gets kicked out of the tv he goes to herd's apartment he floods it he gets kicked out by the suspicious neighbors right he ends up at kiki's and the cheech and chong are stealing the sculpture he chases them off and that's when he then comes across rosanna arquette dead yes a move that should stop this movie in its tracks absolutely right that is so insanely dark it should be too dark right and either the movie will falter because it can never recover from how upsetting that is right or because it's too flippant about it it just turns it into like weightless ridiculous exactly right yeah and instead you're just like that is to me at least that is the proper escalation of the nightmare this guy is in yes where it's like every social interaction is going wrong in weird ways he's becoming an enemy of people kind of by mistake and then it's like oh and by the way the girl you want to hook up with she is dead and you were the last person who saw the guy with the leather is like like are you the guy like that's fucked up what you did like i heard all about it we've been talking about you you're a real asshole if you're in a nightmare like it's just what you right like you imagine this would happen but it's also it's once again it's the 80s relationship between sex and death you know sure it happens in this accelerated way and he obviously never even sleeps with her to me it's more like sex in the relationship sex and high fives high five that's what you want ideally that's your closer uh yeah you know when you have sex and then you high five after yeah uh no no i think that's a great call like yeah it's the 80s like no longer are we in a free love era it's more just like oh you're horny you might like end up dead yes or at least might end up with a dead body on your hands and like no subway fare yeah no i think these are like very deliberate lines this movie's drawing what other ways i'm trying to think of other ways to escape soho for him apart from just walking there are so many trains down that is so true there are so many like you got to be able to hop one turn style somewhere on in lower manhattan but it's it's like this dream state of like no yes there's just a force field it's also it's what's good about that scene is you buy that he wouldn't try it and you're like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die again because the timing is so catastrophically bad it's too embarrassing happened to me on the way here by the way you tried to hop a turnstile no i got to the train right as it was like the doors were closing and then i had to wait 17 minutes for a brooklyn bound train wait what which train the f i i had a 23 the other day i couldn't believe it 30 yeah 30 f at i don't even it was like midday illegal that's fucked up come on it was like prime hours so run come on i fucking the other night trying to get home from manhattan after our screening we saw disclosure day oh no we'll have seen it already it fucking rocks it fucking it is awesome yeah yeah it's so good so tender yeah how long is it how long is it two hours 20 gorgeous yeah yeah feels feels robust 220 is the longest a movie can be in my mind like three hours feel shorter than 220 but i think for a movie like that i want it to be 220 it's not overstaying it moves pretty fast it's not overstaying i don't know ben was a little shiftier than me maybe i can't remember no i like alien alien good sure uh i live off the g train wasn't running had to walk home from the seven how long did that take 20 minutes yeah the fuck but you'll have moved by the time this episode comes out god well let's all dox ourselves at the end of it okay let's all say our subway stops right now right three two mount kisco he's broadway f it's a great stop actually in a nightmare actually nightmare stop it's actually the worst place on earth yeah i mean i well for trying to transfer to the one at 14th made me um don't do that want to die don't do that can't even talk about that is after hours never do that transfer from l to one yeah that walk sucks the the tunnel fucking long well because it's you're going to make a different i heard richard bachman got inspiration from doing that walk if you catch my drift the novel's called the long walk it sucks people die mark hamill over acts um so horst and linda florentine leave to go to berlin yeah yes they leave a note he's discovered the body so what does he do he calls 9-1-1 and then he puts up his own signs he puts up six signs with arrows pointing to dead body it's so fucked up but funny it's really funny yeah but now also one of these things where it's like he's not responsible he's not discovered with the body but he also knows that they saw him there this is clearly a troubled person but he this is where you just start the hell spiral in the movie where everything after this point starts to feel hallucinatory because he just can't even imagine like is this my last night as a free man how does this catch up to this true this is the perfect movie for someone who walks around thinking everyone's mad at them all the time like this is good take are you mad at me cinema yes it's perfect right are you dead at me yeah yeah don't die on that's the meanest thing you could do is die next to me am i about to kill you yeah right so good uh club berlin real right or no oh i'm not sure i'm not sure i i just said bar berlin there is yeah that's a different place yeah maybe it's made up i don't know i was wondering that it looked out of place it does looks like anywhere in lower manhattan yeah i like that you need a mohawk to get in there basically yeah ben would you shave your head into a mohawk i never did i never did in my punk days you got a little tin tin flip going on today which is kind of it's it's belgian punk now it's going earlier you had it a little flipped did you ever go to warp tour uh no wow okay no okay i missed out yeah same no you never no i was like 10 okay is this still happening we all were yeah we were we were six years old uh returned in 2025 for his 30th anniversary but i think that may have been a one-off oh no there it's coming back you should go i don't know if that's my scene orlando you love orlando yeah this is when katherine o'hara enters right no the girl with the beehive yeah terry gar he goes to the second we did it out of order because she's done it out of order she dies and then he goes to get his keys and then that's when he the guy finds out that his ex-girlfriend died that's how he finds out that he just killed right yeah that that that's who that is but uh right no but isn't doesn't he first have katherine o'hara and then he tries to get into club berlin no because he meets katherine o'hara after there's sort of two katherine o'hara chunks right yes he's with her and then he comes back to her griffin yes what are you doing are you trying to find this no i ordered the bagel paperweight for all your papers yeah i'm gonna get some yeah he goes to berlin gets his head shaved marty's there marty's there martin scorsese as uh the searchlight operator and then no i'm just i just i i love him on camera oh it's great he gets uh he tries to hail the same cab right right from the beginning of the movie that he was unable to pay and he's like look i got i got the twenty dollars now right and the guy's like yeah you owe me twenty dollars you got zero dollars and katherine o'hara opens the door really quickly and he's like i got the he's got a bloody arm she offers to bandage it up we should call out right she's the woman getting out of the cab but we should call out you you mentioned dick miller but he's the second kindly the nice diner waiter who introduces the title of the film which is he's right he's like this is this time of night yeah you're in a parallel world it feels so good you're after hours and it's just what a punim he's got you know him just basically looking right down the camera and delivering the we do dante you're gonna get that every fucking week that's not when he enters though after katherine because no because he's with rosanna yeah she's talking about her husband loving the wizard of oz i just wanted to make that connection because also he introduces the title he gives her the 20 he gives uh the 20 dollars is it that he would say serena dorothy after he came would that be a deal breaker for you no whatever i think after a while i'd be like every time every time it's getting annoying yeah um i'd rather they do the uh i'd rather they do oh from from from wicked yeah okay oh wow yeah yeah Ben you want to try one I just need them to wear Like a printout of Hot Scarecrow's face What a good face Talking about good skin on film Just give me that kind of hay face Right The only hotter man is Bach Metal Bach Tin Man Bach Tin Bach What a good movie I saw Wicked One And I said that's enough That's called making the right call That's called protecting yourself That's called yep that's just smart smart smart Yep because my reaction After Wicked Two as Griffin can tell everyone Was well we had Wicked One We all had Wicked One I watched Wicked One and I was like if there are generously two good songs in this I don't think two needs to Be part of my journey And it never will be All love to the cast They're very talented But truly movies that are already forgotten Because of how bad two was I feel Kind of You know what I mean Came and went If two had like somehow nailed the landing People would be like man Wicked remember that Like blew up the box office And Ariana like got COVID during the press tour It was just like weird Cursed vibes What's Ariana doing She just released a song Fucker in law Yeah That's right I was like I know she's in a movie She has a new song out today What's your song about Um I don't know what it's called I haven't looked yet It's called I don't know what it's called Hate that I made you love me Okay so Catherine O'Hara Drives an ice cream truck She offers to give him a ride I mean who's cooler than her She drives an ice cream truck That's awesome Yeah I love that It is cool I mean I'm still like Fiorentino's the number one lady I'm chasing in this movie Too scary But she'll kill me Too scary I'll be dead Yes That's like some one of those like spiders That eats the man after Catherine O'Hara has access to Nearly unlimited ice cream She looks awesome She's got a strong moral code Now I will say She's good at arts and crafts She has a whistle She makes that flyer fast Right It would piss me off If she did the thing Where she said numbers While I was trying to write down A phone number That's so fucking funny That's very triggering and annoying That is As much of a griff bit As I have ever seen committed to film It's so annoying In the movie you're just like Even in the movie Even though you're annoyed with griff You're like shut the fuck up Stop it I would never do a bit that annoying But I respect the craft of it It's an incredibly I would do it on a stranger It's so funny It's so funny It's so funny that he The first time he's like I do have to admit That's clever That's funny Okay but now For real Here I go Dialing the phone And then she does it again And of course sadly No one knows anyone's number anymore Because that's just not part of life Yeah No Yeah I just need to correct you Catherine O'Hara's character Doesn't make the flyer Oh Terry Garg makes the flyer No Terry Garg makes the flyer The woman with the like Kind of 60s like beehive Yeah Catherine O'Hara does End up posting them as well She's the one who sees Yes The flyer Everyone's posting them Posting the flyer Oh right right right But like again It kind of contributes To this feeling of like Soho is this kind of Force field Like locked box They all know each other They all know each other They're all spreading stories around Yeah They all play a very specific role She has like Unlimited access to a printing Right That's open all night Sure Yeah She's just not gonna It's like he's Intruded on some like Medieval village It's like children At the corner or something Right He like stepped on Some like statue And it's broken And now they're all Basically Are you the one Who broke the statue Like you You have the curse It's also such a good move It's such like a A simple Deceptively simple Elegant thing But on both Car rides Him going down in the cab And going back up In the back of Cheech and Chong's van The thing of the Kind of like Whip pan Street signs Yeah The feeling of What it does feel like Not to be a bunch of Fucking New York people In a room talking about New York But when you just Take a cab And you're zooming Yeah Down or up One avenue When you're hitting the lights In Manhattan You're hitting the lights Click click click And it feels like You're going so far And you're like We've gone 20 blocks It's not This is a very compact city Right But yet sometimes You're like Oh my god That neighborhood's So far away And you're like Nothing's like More than an hour away True Yeah I went to Brighton Beach Yesterday for lunch Got on the beach train I was there in 10 minutes You just explained to us That you haven't been To the beach yet this year Well I didn't get to Like actually touch the beach Did you go to Anora's house? I did not go to Anora's house You fucked with the camera Did you guys hang out? The really cool Like you know Giant Russian mobster house No I didn't go there I went to Randazzo's Clamp Park The greatest If anyone knows it No? Okay well It was awesome Okay so he's being chased By a mob And he It's the moment Then that you Started the episode off with Where he's like Screaming To the heavens He's really He's right He's asking for Celestial intervention At this point And they've like Become like The villagers From Frankenstein Right That's what I'm saying It's like truly Like a pissed off village Yes So then he goes He gets into Berlin Which is now like empty Well no I was gonna say Actually he has The interaction with the guy Who's cruising Right Right And he ends up Just weirdly asking him To go Like can I go To your apartment He's looking for safety And I think he's also like Every time I follow A woman home Things get complicated Right Can I just find A boring guy And this guy thinks That he's A gigolo But it does One of my favorite things Which is When someone's telling A really long story And they keep cutting Just at different moments He does it so elegantly too Where at first You think your brain Is like Fucking up Yeah It's like this very Very subtle Kind of like Audio crossfade Yeah It's also one of the Beautiful moments Like one of the Beautiful examples Of telling someone A story that you think Is so crazy And like your life Has been just so Overwhelming And they're just staring At you blankly Because it like Truly doesn't matter at all This is boring And all I'm thinking about Is do I want to have sex With you or God I don't care about your life Right Yeah He gets to Berlin I personally would go home And fuck the guy That's what you would do Yeah why not Yeah Like you know It's just maybe That is the reason But are you even in the mood At that point Well that's a good question I probably just need To take a nap Yeah But then It's what 4am now Could you maybe like Find a sex worker Who does naps Where you're just kind of like Hey Does naps And what's up Yeah yeah Let's pack this thing I just need to take a nap Like hey can you tuck me in Right Like do you have a space Where I could just Like we don't need to do anything I just need a nap So you're looking for a landlord What is the sex worker for Well they might have a space You could use You know like a bed Like a hotel If you will Right Right you know Yeah An area But right I'm just like hey Would love to hang out Just nap though Nap only Just naps Right The great Verna Bloom Who was responsible Partially responsible We talked about In the Mean Streets episode Right For getting Mean Streets made Yes She obviously was married To Jay Cox The Is still married to him Yeah Well she died But you know Was married to him Her entire life Was also married to Dean Wormser Who placed Delta House On Double Secret Probation Richard Collier She plays a very similar role In Animal House Yeah yeah Right right right As yes The world's sexiest older lady To dumb young guys She I feel like Like Kind of stopped acting Mmhmm Right After Animal House Like she's only in Two movies In between Animal House And this What are the two? Yeah The Clint Eastwood film Honky Tonk Man One of his most forgotten movies But a pretty good one I've not seen that Which is sort of the start Of Clint being like What the fuck? I have no idea I think that was I think that was No you know what that was? That was my alert That I can't eat anymore Because I'm getting A fucking dental implant Put in today Oh That's why I don't Accidentally Put anything in my mouth When's it happening? It's happening Uh Oh no You know what That alert was I have 15 minutes Before I can stop Drinking liquid Dang Yeah it's happening In like two and a half hours Okay Just making sure you're not Are you going under? I think I'm gonna be What my father calls The Conrad Murray Kind of in and out? That's the Michael Jackson Right Michael Jackson But he goes He goes Doctor's appointment They gonna do the Dr. Conrad Murray to you? This is how my father talks Love that Uh He She's also in a film called The Dreamer Journey of Natty Genn Which is like a Disney adventure movie She has a tiny role in that She plays Mary In Last Temptation Obviously Is it live action? It is And that's her last movie Last Temptation In which she plays Uh Jesus' mom Mary Heard of her The original Badass mama Um And then Right Original Virgin influencer Her only credit after that Is a fucking Animal House special feature Where everyone reprised Their characters And did a Where are they now thing Right So basically These are her Last two films But she's so God damn I mean this like It's just what the movie needs Yes Like after all this Pressure and madness Just to like Dance to Is that all there is Just the The total So good Kind of like Meditative Weird Still dreamy And Marty hasn't been Doing the needle drops As much in this film True It feels big to have You know the score's Very heavy in this film Howard Shore I love the score Wonderful score I really love Shore's collaborations With Marty because I feel like You know And we've talked about this With Howard Shore a little Bit like before He became The Lord of the Rings guy I mean He was the weird You know Atonal music guy The Cronenberg and Marty And stuff If you just go Highlights of his career He was the original Music director on Saturday Night Live Right He becomes David Cronenberg And Martin Scorsese's Go-to guys And then soundtracks The Lord of the Rings films It's It's It's so wild What's wild is that Jackson tapped him Yes That Jackson was like I think you have that in you You know Because Jackson comes from a Kind of Cronenberg-y space Originally Right But I remember reading Live from New York And being like that's funny that there's another guy in music named Howard Shore surely that can't be the same person he's a king no the score is so good but yes okay but is that all there is it's great David what the voice of a song sir I sure don't I'm crying right now I cannot hold a tune I just feel about chain link fence in the room here it's just like okay I don't care for a chain link fence why are you trying to get into chain link fences Ben because they're adjacent it's a good look wait a second famously considered not a good David I just noticed our closet doors open there's a bunch of chain link in there chain link fences are kind of like hey do you want your kind of maybe your yard to look a little threatening but also for it to possibly it would hurt you if you touched it like chain link fences what if we found out that Ben was asking us because he like bought chain link futures he was like coffee's going down chain links going up I mean yeah we're heading towards a police state so this is true I was going to say I don't like outdoor things indoors and then I remember we're recording in a studio with a porch inside can we call out yeah soon to be guests next week's episode Chris Ryan right when before the episode we always try to take the photo before the episode so we don't forget sure because this episode podcast is usually really short and people leave bright-eyed bushy-tailed full of energy when we wrap up we're like let's hang out a little longer definitely don't look like we just got hit in the face truly we had a friend come visit at the end of a record the other day and I had to apologize for it's like he walked into a room where four men had just had exorcisms he was and I hadn't seen Sam in a while the great Sam Rogel I wasn't I wasn't like Sam I was just like Sam it's nice to see you I don't know what words are anymore but Chris Ryan we were like we got to take the picture and he was like oh okay so we have to go outside and we were like that's what I thought too I was saying oh shit I was in his head about the effectiveness of the porch and everyone's buying that it's real what are they like taking the train somewhat like going on a trip after they record it would be so funny if I hadn't told you like a beach like you had beached it yeah we're going to the beach like they like got rock away maybe blank check does need a beat make a day of it maybe that's our next move blank check check I'm down check check check check let's keep saying it that would be fire thank you and this is a fire pod yeah as you already said yeah it would be Iron Chef he's in Club Berlin they have a dance and he they come to find him they come to find him and so she does the only thing you can do covers him in plaster and paper mache his ass do you remember how just everyone was getting slimed in the 90s of course that was just a huge it was an epidemic and that's another thing by the way this movie is about the AIDS panic and it's about the slime panic but I mean it's like that's how we used to confront adults and make them pay for their sin dump slime on them well they would try to tell us that we couldn't do that on television and we would say I'm actually going to slime your ass we would say it's slime time right yes and then we would prove that we had guts by climbing the aggro crag what else did we do our biggest movie stars would make a peace offering say I will be in family comedies I'm willing to appeal to you the children of America and we'd go okay how about eat slime slime time they should bring slime to the Oscars that would be a good idea like the winner gets the Oscar and the other four nominees are in their seats has been doing a great job but what if Rosie O'Donnell hosts the Oscars and everyone gets slimed was she at the forefront of sliming for when she was I remember I didn't live in America at the time she was like the Billy Crystal of the kids speak on this you never talk about that so don't you think you can walk into my house she was pretty inextricably start with that tied to sliming because she was often adjacent to the biggest slimes of the year right right but was she was she like pushing the plunger times yeah mix it up who's the double dare what's the double dare guy's name Mark Summers yeah him he was did slime cross the pond like were you aware of sliming but I what do they call it there goo goo custard you got a bit of goo on you they call it goo with a u this is actually an interesting question because I do think it was more American but it was a little bit of sliming I think yeah it was it was so it was so what I thought of with like an American game show in the 90s or whatever in England they just throw like blood pudding at someone yeah a blood pudding oh god delicious yeah where's the u b-l-o-u-d lewd pudding p-o-d-d-i-n-g pudding okay so he is slimed he has to hide yeah right he's he's plastered up he's turned into a statue and then Cheech and Chong steal him he goes back uptown and they throw him out the fucking back of a van the first time you see this movie and that's unfolding because you know is that are there as that all there is is the end of the movie kind of emotional emotional right it's like he's tired of younger women and he's sort of like do I need a mama yeah instead and she's like sure baby come here anyway now you're a statue right uh you know I feel like there's so many readings anyone could like anyone could kind of just like academically take a swing at this movie and put almost any reading on it it's got so much heavy symbolism yeah you could really have your fun with it you know what I mean yeah I was I was going through some like queer readings because I was curious if other people over it and about this kind of AIDS panic thing and I do think it's a little pointed that the end of this movie is being like and you get safely returned to your high paying job yeah you don't have to deal with this shit anymore yeah these people live in this world and you don't that was a dalliance for you it was a night that was scary and now you're just back in its daylight you're in the MetLife building those beautiful fucking gates and the robbers get away too they do they do Cheech and Chong they're unkillable to have been the one stealing everything yeah they're up in smoke it's Mozart not Beethoven is the music by the way it's a teen major yeah sorry I'm embarrassed um but at the same time you should also shout out uh Bad Brains that hardcore that's the punk band that's playing at Niagara the song pay to come there you go I I just surrender Dorothy I love this movie so much and it it's what we were saying I can't come unless there's a shark biting my dick another after hours that's why you married Bruce the shark that would be a good tramp stamp yeah I'm gonna right I'll get that I'll get the shark I'm just gonna get it put on my body like a sash it'll go it'll go diagonally down Ali you said tramp stamp and David started gesturing towards the back of his shoulders I was like but then I went it can mean anything to anyone yeah um I also I think it's you know what I agree with what you said Griffin but there is it is also the thing of like you're now that was your moment of fun and freedom not fun you know but like you experienced a more exciting world you're back in the mouth you don't want it yeah exactly right but also running the rat race these are the people who start to erase those things from New York look around you Rowan Atkinson is there John Cleese you're in the rat race oh Cuba Gooding Jr. Breckin Meyer you want to something whoopee you want to something interesting Malibu's most wanted is he in that one I think so wait and wait no he's not a rat race Jamie Kennedy who are you saying is in Malibu he's saying Jamie Kennedy is in rat race he is not in rat race who's the other guy it's Breckin Meyer and the other guy's name is like Vince Valuf that's right this is the thing I was going to tell you because it's similar to like Cheech and Chong being in this movie that Cheech and Chong could be ported over as a comedy duo to things outside of their series yeah so that duo is Seth Green as the like scheming yeah I've seen I got I got and then Vince Valuf is his brother who just had a tongue piercing and he can't talk like this right yeah because it's all swollen our buddy friend of the show past and future guests Kevin Smith recently revealed on a podcast that that was written for Jay and Silent Bob that it was straight off to them that in the sort of it's a mad mad world talk yes yeah in the mad mad world construction of the movie they were like do we port over people's personas do we need a pre-existing comedy duo right and so it was written to literally be the two of them doing that and obviously Bob was going to be silent and then when they changed it they were like what's the reason that one of the brothers wouldn't talk oh sure fascinating to consider yeah have you seen rat race that's not one to be embarrassed about it's the second best movie to use smash mouse all star in the year 2001 that's right that's right smash mouth yes for them of course right I'm familiar because in 99 it's an inspector gadget and mystery man 2000 they take a year off yeah 2001 it's in track and it's in rat race I love the Japanese poster of rat race where they have an extra picture of Rowan Atkinson to really underline like FYI Mr. Bean in this one yes okay so this film was released on just one screen in September 13th 1985 expanded you know slowly enough made it up to way to like ninth place it grossed 10 million dollars so it's double the budget but you know was not the breakout crazy indie breakout rather than a solid little indie success Ebert loved it called it the work of a master filmmaker four stars right out the gate yes beautiful Pauline Kael was like I'm super chill and I think everything's fine just kidding she was really really insane about this movie she's in her late 80s in 1980s kind of like crazy mode I would say Pauline Kael gets really really sort of persnickety in her later years but she really hates it good it plays in competition it can apparently Gaddafi that year Libyan leader right uh had threatened to blow up can oh okay that's the opposite of winning the palm door no so marty didn't go uh-huh uh only dunn and michael ballhouse went and apparently silvers sylvester stallone didn't go and so the french press called griffin dunn the bravest american because he was the only american actor who went uh the palm door went to the mission one of the worst palm door winners in my opinion uh not a very good movie uh forgot to mention very pretty one of the best techniques that scorsese used in this movie marty won best director is that he had a box full of uh shattered glass that he would have a pa hold yes hidden christianson baby hidden christianson was in a basket uh no he had a box full of shattered glass pieces and he had like a pa would stand next to him and at certain times he'd like point and the kid would drop the glass to try to get a natural reaction out of griffin dunn and he'd be like don't stay straight you know but then he would just do this loud disorienting noise you can see it very much in the moment where he walks into the verna bloom the emptied out berlin at the end but there's all these things we mentioned the the sex strike the vow of celibacy that was forced on him there's also like a lot of making him like run around the block you know he would i think the same thing happens walking into berlin where it's like on action you run around the block the camera's going to be rolling and the scene doesn't start until you've done the entire circumference and entered into the frame um he just did a lot of stuff to like throw him off because you know it's like don't play comedy stressed how do i actually create a little bit uh a sense of true mania and disorientation in this guy who's usually very smooth it's like in that part of boogie nights where they're lighting off the yeah the fire crackers yeah it's making everyone it's also like that part in boogie nights where the penis is really large yeah yeah yeah yeah september 15 13th 1985 griffin never once again so okay whatever number one of the box office biggest movie 85 we've covered on the podcast uh it would be beverly hills cup nope fuck it was a late 84 release of december 84 and 85 the biggest film which we covered sci-fi is a sci-fi movie it's a it's a sci-fi adventure sort of yeah huh what do you want from me is it spielberg no 86 is aliens true 80 true lies is cameron that's also 1994 yeah um it's not spielberg and it's not lucas no but it's one of their pals it's one of their pals who we've covered in the pandemic heard of it in the pandemic it's called back to the future to the future back to the future so it's been out for like two three months at this point yep what's it up to 145 mil and it's gonna get to 250 260 i know it's gonna go 225 pretty high pretty high for way back in the day yep number two at the box office is another film starring the star of back to the future it's called teen wolf right so shot at first it got the box box is one and two yeah at the box office he was the king for a little bit a good actor and i think he wins the emmy this year as well for what for family ties but they were like you're a movie star you finally get to win the emmy right yeah that's verse mcconaughey it happened to helen hunt sort of happened to mcconaughey though i know what you mean where he won for uh true detective true detective he should have won for true detective but he won oh you're right no he won the oscar for exactly of course like two months after true detective yeah but helen hunt i think wins for mad about you the year they give her the oscar and a similar kind of she won a lot of emmys yes and deserve them all yeah and uh she also won my award for hottest lady uh dallas buyers club i saw on my first date with my wife i love to bring that up it's the funniest i've said it before but first scene he's having wild unprotected sex second scene you have a look if you want to get married all you do is find the person who lights up your heart and take them to one of those countless rep screenings of dallas buyers it's playing at the roxy every other night it'd be a great double feature with after hours this is who beat mcconaughey for the emmy yeah because i do remember him losing because true detective hype got so crazy that i feel like there was a mild backlash they ran it in but it was so deserved he's so fucking good in true detective he's the best they ran it in miniseries right i believe so no i don't think no i don't know they didn't they ran in drama series that was their mistake because that was season one i don't think they knew it would be anthology who they run a who who beat him ryan cranston in breaking bad uh probably yeah yeah yeah yeah it was a really good year jeff daniels is nominated for the newsroom yeah but you're right i think he is kevin spacey for house of cards this is a good classic and john ham he's very good in dallas buyers club but he absolutely won the oscar for dallas buyers club and true detective coming out and interstellar came out that year too yeah which is his actual best performance so for my money that's his best performance ever number three at the box office is a film we discussed on this very episode directed by a guy who is considered for directing this film uh it's called peewee's big adventure that's correct i know it's in the box that was three at the box office number three it's been out for quite a while it has made 40 uh yeah it's made 30 on this way to 40 million yeah yeah it's doing well number four the box up is a drama sort of like a this is a film i don't know okay um like a sort of true crimey kind of drama it's based on a novel it's a true so not true crime but like kind of like gone girl it's kind of gone girly it sounds like it's about a long island housewife and former journalist who becomes involved in a murder investigation it's not like the morning after no but it's something like that does it have that kind of vibe is it like two stars yeah i it's one big star okay and one of my favorite actors i've never seen i've never really heard of it's from director frank perry it's one of my favorite actors is it bacon a slab of bacon on that bad boy no that's a i love him though is it a bridges no it's it's a less like i may be throwing you with one of my favorite oh it's a colin farrell movie yeah he was he was around in the 80s 1985 look i you're not gonna know it but i'll tell you that the star is susan sarandon and my favorite actor is who i'm referring to is uh raul julia oh this is uh what's it called called compromising position yeah there we go anyone seen it no paul and kale like this one apparently oh good number five at the box office is a film that i am googling to triple check that it is a comedy yes it is big star okay two big stars all right big act big guy who will become big actor still on the comedy lane is one of the stars the other star comedy legend nothing in common no but you're in the right ballpark fuck okay so it's like that it's like a hanks and a gleason it's a hanks and a someone it's a hanks and a someone is a dragnet no inspired the dragnet rap it's a different hanks it's not money pit no because you said the second person's more kind of legendary elder states how many no i didn't see i didn't see i just said the legendary comedy person okay this i i think this is where tom hanks meets rita wilson oh this is volunteers volunteers volunteers and who is the comedy star i refer to john candy john candy yeah this is a nicholas meyer movie i've never seen it never seen it either i don't know what i would guess it's about volunteers okay i always get volunteers and great outdoors confused because great outdoors is annette benning's debut film and this is if not rita wilson's debut obviously her breakout i don't know they're like building a bridge there's like monkeys i have no idea what's going on rita wilson's showing midriff wow the poster yeah hello yeah uh like tom hanks is like spoiled rich kid john candy is probably more salt of the earth it is really funny to look at the 80s hanks and be like no one would have bet money on this guy owning the 90s and just becoming america's like everything statesman everything yeah number six of the box office is cocoon you know that one well guys i haven't seen it but i'm familiar you know what this is a generational thing yeah cocoon has famously been out of circulation for like a decade our friend matt patches did an article about it it is not streamable anywhere the dvd blu-ray out of print i feel like it was a real cable tv movie but it's one of those films that was just a humongous fucking hit that won two academy awards three and now just kind of doesn't exist um no do you know the premise of cocoon i couldn't tell you uh there's an old folks home and aliens land in the swimming pool and the swimming pool makes them young that sounds fucking awesome it's like the beach that makes you old they still look old but they can do young person stuff so it's a bunch of like legendary old actors and they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're like oh my god they're doing dances and shit donna meche won an oscar he's upset that i'm talking about cocoon number seven is the michael chimena movie year of the dragon which is totally not racist at all good number eight is american ninja i bet you that one's not racist what is that good uh it's exactly what it sounds like oh yeah promise of the premise why am i not i think it's a canon film the problem is american ninja warrior is really fucking with me here uh yeah it's uh yo i'm globus you know manahem golem okay whatever yeah michael judikoff yeah fine number nine is rambo first blood part two rambo first blood project yeah yeah yeah yep yep yep yep it is you know it's really fun number 10 is the uh interesting uh commercial failure lauren laurence kazan movie silverado yeah fun movie that is the 10 okay ali do you have anything to plug you're not on social media are you i i am i've been sitting on that joke for two hours and 24 minutes if you google bald and out you will find me you'll find it i'll be back on instagram i deactivated i need a week to cleanse my brain of course you're doing great yeah thanks glasses fell in my glasses fell in the toilet this week they got flushed because it was auto flush had to drop um a lot of money let's get auto flush out of here and i say this as someone who spends too much time on toilets you need to be doing that yourself you need to have control of the timing because it never flushes when you need nope never not once that's what the toilet overflowing and after hours felt very griffin newman coded yes 100 yes unfortunately yes yeah but i i i had my my pointer and my thumb kind of on the glasses but before i could really get a good grip they were just ripped out of my hands by the auto flush and so i got toilet water on my hands with none of the payoff of getting my glasses out of the toilet so i hope my my message to the masses is uh take your glasses off before you go in to the bathroom i do i put them on the collar that's what i do that's a good one i take them off and i put them on your head i don't yeah no it's a bad idea yeah um well that's a really good plug don't put don't put them on your head don't put them on your head don't put them on your head glasses on your head i'm just here to give advice using toilet yeah um after this martin scorsese finally has a hit an unqualified hit yes the color of money right we recorded that episode with chris ryan and as far as i know it is our 600th episode yeah if you hadn't seen the movie before and i don't think he liked it very much just kidding there we go quick question how old is marty when he directs this movie question 40 something he's marty scorsese of course was born in 1942 so he's about 42 43 years old yeah why he's about i was just curious he's about david age about david age are you accusing him of being chopped by the time he made this film was he young he was he was he wasn't chopped what's what's ohio what's the isn't there a state that they use to mean lame and it's rude and why they you mean i don't know the young people my little cousin was telling me that some some do you know what i'm talking about here no i don't there's a state that's now like synonymous with lame and i find it offensive well what states you have a personal tie to all of them i love this country wow yay um alley septa quinta brunson very good thank you um yes anything else you would like to plug you should have a podcast you should have a podcast maybe i will well well well that's a threat to the masses maybe i'll make a podcast maybe i'll start twitch streaming yeah i was about to say you're threatening a twitch twitch you're going to learn video games and stream it real time and it's a really good pitch it is ohio it is ohio thank you it looks like i'm the hippest and the youngest well well well you like break a bone i am a baby griffin just turned 20 i did i i got dinner with my grandmother and her friends last night and uh every time i do this it reminds me that i share uh most conditions with people in their 90s yeah but the thing is griffin now that you're calling it out on the podcast it's kind of choogy it's kind of cool look my body's ohio but my brain is also ohio hey i popped an antacid before i came here that's what it's about that's what it's all about the hot girls have tummy troubles or some shit isn't that a meme it was okay now don't try that now that's ohio that's ohio that is so high yeah well thank you for coming please come back out um and yeah next week uh color money take us out of here griffin launch us out of here do the whole thing thank you all for listening please remember to rate review and subscribe tune uh you can go to patreon.com slash blank check for our patreon blank check special features where we're currently watching the resident evil movies we must be getting we're about halfway through retribution coming up going up to uh dracula our march madness winner after that'll 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