Achane Tears His ACL, J.J. McCarthy Is a Giant, and Week 4 Waiver Wire Must-Add Players

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Like Kevin Seifert, who covers the Vikings for ESPN, said that the Elias Sports Bureau had this poll that J.J. McCarthy is one of four first-round quarterbacks in the past 25 years who started 10 or fewer games to the team that drafted them. And the others are Paxton Lynch, Trey Lance, Johnny Menzel. So those are just like the worst quarterbacks drafted, basically, in the first round, along with like, what, Tim Tebow and Jamarcus Russell. Yeah, McCarthy's probably bad. And the Giants, again, Brian Burns tore his ACL. He had 16 and a half sacks for the Giants last year. Like, the season's over. Like, that's the short answer, Craig. The season's over for the Giants. I agree. How many games does he start this year, J.J. McCarthy? Probably, honestly, I would like him to get four. I'd like him to get four or five. I think it depends how competitive Jameis is. If Jameis Winston comes out, and I'm going to throw out last week, for Cam Ward and Jameis Winston, it was pouring rain. I don't want to think about that game too much. But if Jameis comes out and looks like he did against the Lions last year, where he's catching touchdowns and, like, you know, trucking defenders, and running the end zone, keep Jameis playing. But, yeah, if Jameis sucks, then I'm like, give J.J. McCarthy half a season, and either lead us to Arch Manning, or, I don't know, I don't mind giving him some run. He can look terrible for the Giants. Someone's going to do it. He might as well be, like, a cheap, ready quarterback. Like, that's really what he needs. Exactly, exactly. He needs reps. He needs to play football. And I don't, I don't love J.J. McCarthy, but there were a lot of people who believed that he could succeed in exactly the kind of offense that's the meta of the NFL right now. Like, he could do under center, drop back, like, you know what I mean? Maybe at least he could be a paint-by-numbers quarterback. He'll probably suck, but it's a fifth-round pick. How many fifth-rounders have the Giants hit in my entire life? Not that many. This is great. This is great. I'm really enjoying this. It's a fifth-round pick. Who gives a shit? If it was a seventh, would you care? I probably wouldn't give up a fifth for J.J. McCarthy if I'm the New York Giants, but I don't really see it. The quarterbacks are Jameis Winston and Jake Hayner. Who cares? I guess the short answer is, like, beggars can't be choosers. Yeah. But, like, I don't know. I think this is a fine move. Yeah. I don't know why I would trade a fifth-round pick for a backup quarterback that I'm going to develop and then, I guess, flip. I don't know. What if there's a one-in-ten chance that he's good? I mean, you just said you mentioned Arch Manning's name. Like, are you out on Jackson Dart now? Like, I would be focusing on Jackson Dart as the quarterback on my team, and I wouldn't want to trade picks away for J.J. McCarthy. Probably. It's not a huge deal. Again, it's a fifth-round pick, but I'm still just like, eh, probably rather just keep my pick. I love Dart with all my heart, and also, he has finished very few of the games that he's played. I don't think it's the worst idea to be, like, you know, exploring other options for free. So, I don't mind it. I will say, the other thing I want to say, though, about this, so, just kind of look at the 2024 NFL draft. You know, they say you need three years to evaluate a draft, and we're about to end, like, this is the third season. Can I just go, like, the 2024 draft is one kind of, like, a little, like, window into the whole season, but it is, like, it is unbelievable the snip-snap experience of the 2024 draft. You have Caleb Williams went to the Bears first, who obviously, you know, meme of the season. jaden daniels has gone to washington almost got them to the super bowl and then now has dislocated his elbow like three times and it's like rg5 drake may for the patriots just went to the super bowl and then now is like the carson wentz of the season in it's 2026 alone so far none of those three have had a normal three-year stretch caleb went from terrible to great jaden went from great to kind of this is a mess drake went from awesome from bad to awesome to bad but then you keep going marvin harrison jr for the cardinals is probably one of the five worst receiver picks maybe in the history of the league if things keep going joe alt for the chargers leads all players in penalties great then hurt then bad yeah look was great then bad malik neighbors look great now hurt and people who are from fantasy probably don't even want to play malik neighbors he doesn't he's not a percent uh the falcons took michael pennix jr who's already had the third acl tear and look good but like is on his third acl the bears drafted roma dunze what a weird draft oh my gosh again this was the fantasy football this was the savior draft this was the first draft ever the first 14 picks were all on offense it was supposed to be a fantasy gold mine you got the vikings took jg mccarthy who now is on a list with johnny menzel like you have uh the jets took olufashan who probably is the the pick here the broncos solid pick broncos at bo nix maybe the best quarterback right now after caleb williams in this class the raiders took brock bowers who is a football robot but the colts took leo to latu who's been abysmal but if you just go down at receiver even even abysmal no no he's fine just like fine but the 1400 yards as a rookie and then now it's like probably cuttable in fantasy football for some people who hate him xavier worthy on the chiefs who is like on i mean a nobody he's just like xavier worthy yeah yeah ricky parasol who has barely played for the 49ers over three years xavier leggett who is healthy but unplayable well he was hurt last week but unplayable for carolina you have keon coleman on the bills who would like if the bills had taken lad mcconkey would they have made two super bowls by now lad mcconkey who is like the key on off player for the chargers but is hurt jalen poke for the patriots the 37th pick in the draft already retired ad mitchell is already on the jets malachi corley is out of the league jermaine burton's out of the league like you just go down jalen mcmillan it was good and then now neck injury like he's hurt like none of these players are having any kind of impact this season at receiver and there were like 10 take it there were eight taken in the first 37 well you could argue that the best receiver of the 2024 draft class was undrafted and his name's jalen coker yes who has i saw a stat that jalen coker this year has more yards than malik neighbors marvin harrison and roman dudes they combined this is this is a really weird draft yeah the nfl is hard so many of these things are related to injury too i was just looking like the brock bowers thing he stands out as probably one of the out like one of the outliers for by far best values in this class but he also has missed huge chunks of time um yeah the injury thing is tough yeah i just it just that's just when i look at the mccarthy trade i'm like all of these guys have basically been incredibly disappointing with the exception of the defensive players who the entire league passed on for the first 14 picks and bowers and bonex so funny world we're living in okay glad craig i'm glad you love the trade as much as i do um i just loved your video being like yeah this makes sense uh yeah i'm into it uh we're gonna see it top 10 pick so you know um like i'm into it i thought it was funny well he's he's back i thought it was funny yeah you hate i do i do but there's a humility to it it's like i could be wrong did you guys think sam when sam one year ago and or i guess 14 months ago we were really concerned about the seahawks swapping out darnell for gina smith i mean that was after he won 14 games think about like the year before when he was like the backup on san francisco you know uh no i know i guess change fast that's all things do change fast but but like you i guess any time a bust gets traded you can just say sam darnold's name and then you can you can basically justify every trade because of sam darnold yeah okay well i'm saying it's a fifth round pick totally like yeah i know in exchange for a dart for a throw at the dartboard a quarterback i'm like that is probably what the giants should be doing because if jackson dart comes back and gets hurt they're all right i don't want to hear any drew our shit then when when the steelers when i'm when i'm into drew aller i don't want to hear any no i i'm not i i make fun of you because it's funny but in reality that's exactly what teams should be doing just because you have aaron rodgers doesn't mean you shouldn't be taking shots at a quarterback that's exactly what they should be doing all right great okay let's get the waivers if you root for aller that should be the deal deal i like it we'll be supportive of each other i like that actually you won the super bowl you're fine defense of all time go sit by yourself uh the okay so we're gonna go through waivers again we're gonna go position by position we're just gonna give our topic at the position only one of us can get us get each player so we'll do a trivia tiebreaker it's not that complicated you'll figure it out as we go email us trivia questions ringer fantasy football gmail.com i like the ones people have been sending so keep sending them we're doing less of the uh how many items are in the universe and more things that we've been talking about in the show so thank you for those without further ado dk yo obviously the big running back news this week is devon hn for the miami dolphins torres acl and he's out for the season yeah which is just i would say kicking the nuts to the dolphins but i feel like this season had already been gelded so i didn't even know what it is uh who is your number one running back on waivers after week three entering week four i think because of the injury to hn it's between and there was also by the way an injury to breese hall who was a week to week he had a uh quad injury i believe um and he left the game and i so to me it's between two guys braylon allen of the jets and ollie gordon of the dolphins i think i'm gonna give braylon allen the edge just because he feels like the clear-cut actual backup and i don't exactly know how the rotation will go with the dolphins with ollie gordon versus jalen wright jalen wright was hurt in this last game he might be back soon braylon allen i think is the clear-cut next man up and he plays for what looks like a much better offense and an offense that can get him into the red zone more often so i'm going with braylon allen on the jets craig um this feels like the first true week of waivers in the fantasy season because there are there are finally guys that you can add that might be on your team for the rest of the season and these are real running backs that you can slot into your starting lineup i think i mean look breese is going to be out a little bit ollie gordon and jalen wright the two dolphins running backs are going to be there for the rest of the season so you have to factor that in of like you might only get two weeks of braylon allen we should also mention travis achan formerly etn pulled his hamstring it looks like he's gonna miss some time so alvin camara and kendray miller i would say also mix into this i i think if you're looking short term i would take braylon allen if you're looking long term i would take ollie gordon so for the purposes of this exercise like if i want a guy next week i would take braylon allen who i think is the best player on this list i think braylon allen's still really young one of like the youngest guys to come into the league a few years ago um kind of like varying opinions on him i've always thought he was good i've always thought he looks good he's big strong has like a ton of burst um and he scored last week i i would go with braylon allen the jets have the bears next week too yeah i had braylon allen as well for all those reasons and again if you like really want to replace a guy for the whole season uh you could get ollie gordon for the dolphins like if you had a chan the way i look at it is yeah like i think yeah i had braylon allen too i for the same reason i just braylon allen's a better player and he's on a better team and the jets i don't know i just the dolphins are the worst team in the league i know it's just tough to get back on the worst team in the league a backup no less i remember do you guys remember i don't know what how old you were the first time you started going to the supermarket like alone to shop for yourself and i remember like you know you're tempted by like those like supermarket pies and you're like wow i would love to just buy a pie from the bakery section and then i'm older i'm like i don't need a lot of like a bad pie like that that's probably bad for me and ollie gordon like you're getting a bigger share of like the worst pie in the nfl i'm like it's a disgusting pie and devon hn had all the like literally the biggest only jonathan taylor's playing more of running the game and he's like oh my god you're better at running backs than devon hm and he's like one of the most talented running backs in the nfl and he was like fine yeah it was like a borderline starter and now you're going to split the work between two people who are worse so i do the odds that you actually want to put ollie gordon or jalen wright in your lineup each week is like to me so low that i'm like i'd rather kind of just do short term and figure it out i i do want to throw out and dk i want to ask you about jalen wright because i i know that you scouted him and have thoughts on him i will say i think everyone in your league is going to go after ollie gordon he'll be the big spend with your with your waiver money jalen wright who is listed he was day-to-day last week with like a foot stinger thing he didn't play they keep saying he's day-to-day at the end of last season jalen wright out snapped ollie gordon almost two to one over the final five weeks of the season um it might be a better player and so if jalen wright is there a chance jalen wright is actually the sneaky admiral while everyone's spending all their money on ollie gordon you should actually go after jalen wright even if it takes an extra week for him to come back because he could actually be the most talented lead back on the dolphins i think that's there is a chance yeah i mean he was a guy coming out of college super fast i think he ran like a 4-3 or something like that um big play type of guy with question marks around his vision and sort of decision making he came out of tennessee um so you know that that offense in tennessee is all about creating space and spreading the field out as much as possible it's like the receivers are lining up almost on the sideline type of deal um so there is a chance that jalen wright is going to be the most talented player in tennessee and i think that he's going to be the most talented player in tennessee and i think that he's going to be the most talented player in tennessee and i think that he's going to be the most talented player in tennessee um i think that he's going to be the most talented player in tennessee and i think that he's going to carry average in his career but i think it's certainly worth you know it is i think you're absolutely right people are going to be focused in on ollie gordon and right could end up surpassing him later in the season as we go i just think you could probably get jalen right for like five dollars and i think it's probably worth doing that i would hope i hope you can get him for free sure but if you want you know sometimes you got to spend a couple extra bucks to secure and ensure that you get him but i do think you could get him for single digits because i think ollie gordon's going to go for a lot yeah yeah and i wouldn't there's not upside to me it's like again he ollie gordon had 40 yards in a touchdown i'm like that'll that'll be it most weeks uh okay i think it's time greg i think it's time as well for the braylon allen showdown time all right this question is from matt matty and bone you breakfast today was a breakfast sandwich and over medium egg on a toasted asiago cheese bagel with cheddar cheese and butter and two cups of coffee with creamer oh wow nice sounds good i heard your conversation about lawyers on billboards at the start of this morning show i work in sales in the billboard advertising industry oh according to the out-of-home advertising association of america o-a-a-a-a i couldn't believe this was real oh yeah there is an o-a-a-a-a orlando there's an orlando based in personal injury law firm morgan and morgan who's been the number one spender in out-of-home advertising through the first two quarters of 2026 in fact legal services is the number one industry in all out-of-home advertising through q2 of 2026 surpassing hospitals college and universities restaurants and banks which kind of blew my mind and in 2025 morgan and morgan was the number two spender in out-of-home advertising second only to apple what wow this injury law firm in orlando the second and apple was first which i just blew my mind yeah so matt's question is how much money did morgan and morgan spend on out-of-home advertising in 2025 are they a national brand or just in florida i think they must be national national so it's a spend all over the country not just in orlando or something it has to be okay if it's like apple one uh and he says he gets the context of what he means out-of-home advertising includes traditional print billboards wall murals digital billboards transit advertising buses trains subways airports street furniture bus shelters kiosks park benches okay how much money did they spend last year on ads i have no clue how much this shit costs me because it's like a commercial cost a lot but a billboard who god knows um okay you guys ready sure three two one 25 million three okay uh we're different i said a hundred million a hundred million this morgan and morgan place must be fucking massive i just heard apple i went low just for my to defend myself here i went low because i think i don't think places spend a ton of money on like fucking billboards and bus shelters and things so the real answer is it is uh oh my god to the dollar what 58 million two hundred and one thousand seven hundred and twenty how are they spending this place must be huge i don't i don't morgan and morgan they're spending almost 60 million dollars on advertising because i guess that maybe they're in like big cities billboards in very you know concentrated metropolitan areas and it costs a lot of money to get a billboard in like new york and chicago and la i don't know i i don't know that kind of blows me so i get the dub so what did you say 20 25 yeah you win yep and then i think i'm second and dk's third all right okay so who do you want you want braylon allen i know it's funny it's like yeah i will take braylon allen because it's one of those you're like oh you want ollie gordon for the rest of the year it's like isn't having ollie gordon kind of like fucking up your roster well i don't know i mean running back is dire man if you have if you have like trevion henderson or rj harvey or david montgomery like there's a lot of rb2s that you thought were going to be a thing that aren't and maybe you would start ollie gordon over like david montgomery i know but then you're watching the dolphins hoping they score and you're like oh my god they're trying to lose it's not for the players yeah but it's yeah fair enough uh i think i would take again if you need a quarter if you have a chan and you actually want to play for the rest of the season you could take ollie gordon i guess i just feel like we've seen this movie it sucks yeah but maybe it's crazy but i part of this is really tricky because we don't have an update yet so there's devon h and the dolphins and then travis h and on the saints and we don't have an update yet on how long he's out if travis h and is also like out multiple weeks i would look really hard at alvin camara or kendra miller for the saints alvin camara is probably going to play more because he's a legend and just more experienced but kendra miller probably is more juice because camara's kind of washed but um yeah travis h and pulled up on his hamstring and i mean the saints have run the most plays this season the saints have 222 plays which is 60 more plays than tennessee like the saints have already basically played a full game more than the titans through three weeks so i'm like damn like that like if you're talking about camara at that point like that alone is enough for me like we were talking about touches but man like that is a huge disparity so um if you're looking at like a one or two week stop gap i would go with the saints running back dare i mention keaton mitchell of the los angeles chargers who's 32 percent rostered on yahoo he had 50 yards in a touchdown last week kind of just looks as good or better than o'marian hampton and there the split was just much more even it was basically like a three-way split between hampton mitchell and kamani vidal and i'm like i don't know i think keaton mitchell was banged up to start the season i think that could have played a role in why he wasn't on the field as much maybe now he's a little healthier i know it's the chargers but keep mitchell what do you think i mean if you want to go through that hell of trying to figure out whether to start him as a chargers running back i i do think he is someone to consider it's just going to be probably a little frustrating but um if you're just comparing him to like i would say keaton mitchell i think keaton mitchell is a good one i think he's a good one i don't know keaton mitchell's talented and young i don't mind it at all if it's who did you choose officially i i think ollie gordon's the next i guess i'll take ollie gordon we don't know travis h in theory could play this week and then i'll take camara definitely i think the other how long the other i think keaton mitchell's a good one mike washington for the raiders or brian robinson for the falcons just guys that have upside as handcuffs only stash type players um so those would be the main ones kellen moore said he's gonna he's gonna have some time lost whatever yeah he has like a hamstring injury so it's like at least two to three weeks probably longer yeah i think yeah i think the only other person i want to say is if those people are all rostered i want the next version of that is mike washington jr for the raiders which he had one big play for a touchdown so mike washington had five carries for 54 yards in a touchdown ashton genti had 17 more carries only got two more yards which again it was there's genti's interesting man we're like sometimes like he just does nothing and it just feels like he can't get any wiggle and he'll just he's like getting two yards of carry and then other times he looks like the best running back in the league so i think this one's simple i think ashton genti obviously he had the ankle injury in august i think ashton genti just tweaked his ankle at the end of week two and his people are it's under the radar and i i think they're downplaying the injury but i just don't think ashton genti's healthy right now so he could improve but i think there's a reason you don't see him having a ton of juice and not making a huge impact in that saints game and so if anything else happens to his ankle like mike washington jr looks fantastic so uh i that that is probably the next version of this player on this episode is if you're in a deeper league and you're like camara's roster and all these people are rostered then i would go get mike washington for the raiders because yeah and then austin eckler signed with washington which i don't know you should add him but i did want to just mention eckler's back in the nfl yep coming off the achilles tear right yes would you cut guys cut jonah coleman for the i can't the last last week we had to talk about jonah coleman and then it turns out he was more injured than jk dobbins at rj harvey which is just insane and he's on injury reserve now so i love that we've heard about his injury on wednesday that's super helpful it's i would cut jonah coleman yeah yeah it's so fucking annoying that he's on injury reserve so yeah sorry that sucks fantasy stupid the ringer fantasy football show is brought 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Okay. Receivers. Not as exciting at receiver this week. It's a little down in the dumps. DK, who is your number one receiver you'd add after week three entering week four? I think I'm going with Keenan Allen for the Colts. He had nine targets, six catches, 63 yards, and a touchdown. He's running a bunch of routes, 70 plus percent routes per team drop back this year. And the target rate on the Colts so far is basically just concentration. Between him, Downs, and Tyler Warren. So not a super sexy ad. And he also might be suspended at some point because of this drunk driving charge that he got, DUI. But I think for now, if I was going to start somebody next week on this group, it would probably be Keenan Allen. None of these guys are worth starting on your team. And I would even argue not many of them are even worth rostering. This is like last guy on your lineup type of stuff, I would say. I'm curious to see what happens tonight in the Eagles game, Dontavian Wicks or Mekhi Lemon. But yeah, Keenan Allen, sure. But I don't think any of these guys are worth dropping somebody on your team for, I would say. I agree. It's a desperation thing. It's like if you have a bunch of injured players and you're just absolutely fighting for your life. I would probably do Keenan Allen too, just because they're playing Washington. The game's in London, but if it's for this week thing, yeah. Keenan Allen's probably got a better chance against the Washington defense. You know, there's like Wanda Robinson, I feel like, because people are being cut because he has sucked and he had a bunch of targets, but that game was against the Giants and in the rain. And yeah, it sucks. I agree with Craig that Dontavian Wicks, if he's around, we'll see. We're recording this before Monday Night Football, but he's probably one. And even A.D. Mitchell for the Jets, if he's around, is like a good player in theory, gets separation. The Jets offense looks good. But the problem is A.D. Mitchell, like he has a finger injury, but his whole hand was taped. And the problem is he already kind of has issues with the drops. Right. He was already kind of shaky on catching the football. I know. And now it's like a big club for a hand. And I'm like, just like he's going to be like Buster from Arrested Development, just swatting the football like, I'm a monster. And I'm like, yeah. So it's weird that he's going to be. Get out! Lucille! The question is, what about the Dolphins guys, Malik Washington and Chris Bell? Chris Bell, I'm interested in and I think might be worth a speculative ad. If you're just like, screw it. I want upside on the end of my roster and I'll wait all year and maybe it'll work out. Chris Bell is this like big, fast, coming back from an injury. Caleb Douglas, the other rookie receiver for the Dolphins, is out. Chris Bell kind of looked good. Honestly, should have had a bigger day. He had 70, 67 yards this week, but there was like two plays where he could have got a touchdown that were missed. Again, Dolphins, do you really want to be attached to the Dolphins? But I don't mind Chris Bell. I'm actually going to change my answer to Chris Bell. And here's why. I think if you like, gone to my head, it was more points next week in fantasy football. It's probably Keenan Allen. We're talking about season long upside. Chris Bell coming into the draft out of Louisville was basically the A.J. Brown clone. And people were looking at Chris Bell like, oh, my God, he's like this huge, powerful, fast, explosive athlete, physical at the catch point. And then he tore his ACL in December. And I think we were all a little caught off guard that this college player was going to basically rehab his ACL, miss a lot of time in training camp and then start for the Dolphins. But the fact he's even playing right now speaks to his incredible recovery. And then he looks good in week three. That is obviously not normal for a rookie to tear his ACL in December and then look good. So part of me is just thinking like talent upside. The same reason I don't love Ollie Gordon is a big plotting running back on a shitty team. Chris Bell's probably going to get a lot of garbage time and they're going to try to get like, honestly, the Dolphins best offense is probably going to be yards after the catch for Chris Bell. So fuck it. Like it kind of wanted to bet on talent. I'll just do Chris Bell. There's a couple new reports on wide receiver injuries that we should mention that Ian Rappaport is tweeting about right now. Justin Jefferson ankle sprain avoided a long-term chance. He plays Sunday. And then Mike Evans apparently is considered only day-to-day with a rib strain. So, well, that's good. Yeah. Mike Evans, I feel like is the kind of guy that we'd find out after this season, his organs were obliterated. Evans is going to be, he's going to leave every single game early this year, but he's also still going to put up over a thousand yards. It is. Yeah. When I like him versus Devante Adams, there's such different types of old receivers because Devante still looks like totally fine to me. Every time I watch him, I'm like, oh, he's Mike Evans. I'm like, I think his legs are going to fall off. Yeah. And yet he's great. And he'll like catch a touchdown and look awesome. His touchdown on Sunday was insanely nice. Just the late hands. Nonchalant. Just let it fall in his lap. Yeah. But I'm always like, my God, I'm worried that his knee is going to snap in half on every play. Other name I'll throw out, just if you're in a really deep league is Brandon Cooks. I think we'll play for the Niners at some point this year. And if you're in a very deep league, but that's if you're really struggling, OK, there's no Kanata Mumfield love happening here right now for the Rams. You're going to get tested for that. The Kanata Mumfield. OK, Kobe Myers for the Jags. I don't know. There's a few other guys that are like really risky, but potential Kobe Myers. He should pay for a big bill. Kobe and Myers. They spent fifty eight million dollars on billboards in L.A. See him every time I go there. All right, Craig, is it time? It's time. I got Keenan Allen, man. Fantasy vampire. Are we doing him or doing Chris Bell? I'm taking Chris Bell. Like because I'm just thinking you can decide. D.K.'s taking Keenan. All right. Over the course of the whole season. Yeah. Like the odds of one of them is a difference maker. Chris Keenan Allen is like, you know, you're surviving and Chris Bell has at least a chance for you to be thriving. Yeah. All right. Then it's time for the Chris Bell showdown time. Bring out a bell instead of the bell for Chris. Yeah. This question's from Eli. Eli. Breakfast is a peanut butter and jelly on toast and a double, double coffee. I don't know what a double, double coffee is. Interesting. Double espresso. Is that a brand? Double espresso, double cream? I don't know. Double, double coffee. Oh, it's a coffee brand. Oh, it's a famous Canadian. Oh, it's from Tim Hortons. It's a Tim Hortons order. Famous Canadian coffee order. Traditionally brewed with two portions of cream and two portions of sugar. Love it. Cool. Double. Right. Double, double. Makes sense now. Okay. Eli's. Oh, no. Yeah. PBJ on toast. How do you feel about peanut butter and jelly on toast? Sure. Yeah. Why not? Okay. Because the peanut butter, if it heats up, it kind of gets melt, whatever. Eli says, my question is related to Tuesday's episode when Danny Kelly brought up the band Poison. And then you guys talked about Brett Michaels' dating show, Rock of Love. Right. And in one of our challenges, Brett had the ladies play in a four on four tackle football mud bowl. He just ogled them from the sideline. Nope. Not on the sideline. Oh, he got in there. Brett Michaels played quarterback for both teams. He was Flacco out there. Just, you know, just a little bit longer. Mercenary. Jonathan. And Brett Michaels, while his throwing mechanics needed some work, Brett threw a catchable ball. Brett also rocked a Steelers hat. So shout out to Craig for knowing that Brett Michaels was a Steelers fan. And shout out to Jess for winning MVP in the solo date with Brett. Eli's trivia question. How many total touchdowns were scored in the Brett Michaels annual mud bowl game? Holy crap. Wow. Wait, is this from one of the seasons or what? Is this just a random game? I think it was one episode. I think he might have made up annual. It might have just been on one season. How many seasons did the show even air? I don't know. I don't know. Good question. Three or four? I'm not sure. Five? Three seasons. Okay. So the question is, how many total touchdowns happened in the total? In the single? Four on four. That took place. In the one. Four football game. It was four on four and he was the quarterback. This is a great question. All you guys think, I'm going to Google, are Brett Michaels and Jess still together? No. Huge shock. I guess that's why there were two more seasons of the show. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Whatever. I have an answer. How many touchdowns were scored in this game? Yeah. Three, two, one. Four. Eleven. I said five. Fuck. Oh, no. That's not true because I wrote it down. My answer was six. Okay. Okay. It's got to be low then. Hopefully. The answer is five. Ooh. Oh, you guys. So it's a tie. We have to go into a showdown tiebreaker. Well, Heifetz picked someone else than me, so we can just tie for first, I guess. Well, that's actually true. We could do for trivia purposes. No, no, no. For trivia purposes, we can do a tiebreaker. All right. It's funny you say that. I actually do have another question. Okay. Or just do another question right here? Yeah. Yeah. But let's make it quick. Is it double or nothing? Sure. What do I get second if I lose this, though? Do I just sit here and spectate? Go sit by yourself, Greg. We're talking. Oh, Craig. Craig. Actually, Craig's going to be pissed. Yeah. Actually, Craig. Yeah. You don't get this one. Go watch Drew Allar or whatever highlights. This one's from Brian. Okay. Brian's breakfast, sausage, egg, and cheese on an English muffin with chipotle mayo, homemade yogurt with honey. Homemade? Wow. I'm glad Craig's not doing this one. Lorne Michaels holds the record for primetime Emmy Award nominations at 112. 112 Emmy nominations for Lorne. How many times has Lorne won an Emmy? of those 112 nominations how many did lauren win no idea um okay three two one five two i fuck i wrote down two before okay uh i wasn't really thinking about the game i just couldn't assume because he's asking it's low yeah and i was wrong the answer is 24 all right go lauren thank you lauren disrespect lauren like that i just thought because he's asking you i don't know it does it does kind of get you thinking never wins but yeah yeah that's i was like i just felt like well if it's zero i would have heard this and one i would have heard this but i bet oh they i don't know whatever man i overthought it so dk all right i'll go i'll uh i'll go with keenan allen and you guys then can i'm taking yeah i'll take chris bell for the dolphins who do you want to craig i'll take duntavian wicks yeah that's smart and i wanted to shout out malik washington for the dolphins if you're in a full ppr league he's like the kirkland ran josh downs for miami if the dolphins sucked um okay tight end dk is your number one tight end dad kenyan sadiq for the jets the greatest tight end athlete we've ever seen and guess what it seems to be helping because he made an incredible touchdown in this game he's now leading the jets and snaps at the tight end position he ran 25 routes in this last game i don't know it just feels like he's coming on and he also had a touchdown last week on a like a tight end position and he's like a tight end position and he's like a tight end position like a jet sweep type deal so they're using him in the red zone i don't know now's the time i think now's the time to grab him and see how the the usage goes because right now he's not playing like a ton he's 55 snaps if that increases to 75 it's kind of like the same deal with uh dalton kincaid if he just plays a little bit more he could be a huge hit at tight end i agree uh it's it's sadiq i mean it's tight end you're really you're really scraping the bottom like i'm not adam mike is sicky no i'm not playing that game yeah there's like the rams tight ends i terence i would have recommended but he seems like he's got a nasty ankle injury it's so annoying that he sprains his ankle and then tyler higby in that game gets 11 targets eight catches 62 yards in a touchdown or how about this for that even more annoying the play before he hurt his ankle he was wide open for a 40-yard touchdown that stafford missed just didn't see it which never happens yeah and again it's like the first play of the game it's whackable but at least the it's so fucking stupid i yeah so ferguson if he plays but you need puka to not play if puka comes back at any point then anyway it's so annoying so we're good on sadiq the answer yeah it's sadiq but again it's because ad mitchell was out so it's like i think the answer is the truth is which of these guys is the number two receiver in their offense so it's like garrett wilson and then ad mitchell's out so it's sadiq if puka's out then it's like ferguson and ferguson gets hurt it's higby the question i have is is the answer darren waller for the panthers because it's teta rowe and mcmillan and now jalen coker's hurt and we don't i don't think i believe we still don't have an update but it looked not great right we don't have an injury update but part of me just wonders if the answer is darren waller is just the number two oh no here we go we just did yeah so the coker is question is a quad strain part of me is like bryce young if you ranked every tight tight end by how much does their quarterback look to them when they're scrambling i swear to god that like darren waller's third behind kelsey and brock bowers but bryce young's looking for waller every time but i do think he's all he's just one of those guys that just scores touchdowns too i know and it's kind of like the game at tight end but yeah uh rapaport reported that coker's questionable there's a chance he plays that's not a serious injury it's a minor quad strain so maybe he's out of league max so i guess it's sadiq i guess fergus got ferguson's mother yeah so sadiq and waller and then yeah to be honest even if like ad mitchell's playing and mason taylor's on ir i still kind of like sadiq in the mix here as just like an athlete like it's i feel like it's garrett wilson and then he's the most athletic talented person of the rest no matter who's playing for the jets i'll probably go with sadiq yeah i'll go with sadiq all right fuck it that means it's time for the kenyan sadiq this is fun showdown time it's fun to have a little buzzy tight end like this what's first round pick yeah i might it's from david i need tight end help in my ringer in the ringer league so i might go after sadiq breakfast is two bacon and gouda egg bites and some dried mango strips and then one hour later i do two air fried sweet potatoes okay this is just kidding that's oh no it's he's joking it's that guy was a psycho he says yeah yeah i'm like two with the two sweet two sweet potatoes last week you have no idea how much food two potatoes is eat a potato with a fork and a knife it'll take you an hour it's this fill for a week that one was from dwayne dwayne from los angeles probably the rock all right so david writes the rock fat bear week is currently in season oh yeah excuse me fat bear fat bear week okay the cat my peninsula or whatever goddamn right dk dk i used to watch those live you can watch them live i don't know what that bear week is i don't know what that bear week is i don't know what that week is it's these bears in alaska right on a river and they're just sitting out in the river and they have webcams set up craig so you can just turn on a webcam and watch these pairs they're streaming they have a twitch stream the original stream pun intended yeah um it's pretty fun actually and then they i think they determine who the fattest bear of them all is right yeah they get and you vote have a tournament yeah everyone votes on which bear has like they all gain the most weight and then everyone the internet votes and who's the fattest bear okay park so it's just great you gotta look through past winners it's great it's like american idol for nature it's fantastic so anyway so david writes uh last year's winner chunk chunk he's currently still in the running according to this article he found there was one live stream where chunk was fishing and ate 45 salmon in 10 and a half hours holy hell jesus so david's question is 45 roughly how many calories did chunk consume in that 10 and a half hour session where he ate 45 salmon 45 how many grams of protein is that that's i so i already gave my answer i took 30 seconds and i tried my best to figure this out and i just kind of ate some back of the napkin how many calories are we're basically asking how many calories are in 45 salmon yeah how many calories are in 45 uh i feel like i'm going to be orders of magnitude off on this but that's fine all right three two one seventy five thousand oh okay wow you guys are close i wrote two hundred thousand okay okay what is it the answer is 45 salmon 45 salmon the rough answer is 135 000 oh okay so i think i am in last what did you guys say i said i said 60 so i'm 60 what did you say hyphens and hyphens i'm 65 away 65 away so i technically win what's the protein count salmon yeah how many grams of protein especially because the thing that i couldn't figure out i was trying to like game out like the uh salmon portions and i was like how many are in there and then i realized the thing the row that's what i couldn't figure out was the row you know what i mean that's the other thing is like as as they go on i feel like the bears don't eat the salmon they don't eat the salmon they don't eat the salmon they don't eat the whole salmon they just pick and choose their favorite well have you seen the caviar the tastiest morsels have you seen the videos of bears like how they like skin salmon and then there's like yeah well they just stomp on it and get all the eggs out lick that up well they do that but they also like they know how to pull the skin off of the fish the scales off the fish and then there's just like gross fish skin carcasses lying around you see those no i've not seen that that's like red dead redemption you know some people you could just like put you know shooting partridge or you just got it ripped for the birds meat right off the bird leave all the feathers you do not want to they skin them alive like it is one of the more gruesome things i've ever seen they pick up the salmon and they skin it alive and then they eat it nature's metal nature is so craig gets sadiq yeah it's a big win dude i don't want to get eaten anyway hi if it's who you're taking i'm sorry i was thinking about being skinned alive um yeah that would not be pleasant anyway yeah i'll take darren waller fuck it i'm just now i'm in a bad place okay so i mean i guess i'll take season long is still intriguing but i think darren waller's the answer yeah i'll take terrence ferguson will terry terry ferg tearing his um tearing his ankle hopefully he's back low grade sprain he's probably fine i'll probably regret not taking the the other guy to keep in mind here i have or craig mentioned giziki i think yoshivas and colby young are both now hurt so that might mean we see more 12 personnel with the bengals and that might mean their uh giziki plays more i think that's more of a um just like a stash type of deal than really feeling confident starting him every week the other guy i think is worth playing is michael mayer with the raiders he's still a big part of their offense um he ran 78 of the routes per team drop back this last week with jack besh got hurt he broke his arm or something broke his forearm um so he may see the raiders just might run a ton of two tight ends i don't know if he's going to be able to and mayer is essentially going to be a tight end their number one tight end and bowers is going to be their x receiver so there's a chance that mayor is still useful um but that you're kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel that is but the theme with all these tight ends is that teams now it's almost easier for them when they lose a receiver to just because of all the multiple tight end sets they're running move the production to a tight end and so we're seeing that with a lot of these teams yeah yeah and then tyler higby too if terrence ferguson's out like maybe we should be out and then also probably not gonna add him in fantasy but recording this before monday football zach hurts is on the eagles yeah and i'm not saying you should add him but like he was bizarrely productive last year he hurt his knees like 36 not saying you should add him but it is weird that zacherts is back on the eagles so it's worth mentioning okay yeah uh quarterbacks if you need a quarterback i think there's three that rise above the rest gino smith who played great last week he was the number three quarterback last week 321 321 yards three touchdowns and now he's playing the bears and unless the bears really shut down the eagles actually even if they do i don't care like the bears defense is fine and gino smith will probably be good again marcus mariota for washington in london playing the colts defense and i don't care what the texans did the colts defense is still bad and marcus mariota was spry and played really well against seattle and i think that marcus mariota adds enough on rushing he had three touchdown passes but if he can play even with the safety issues that seattle has if he can play that well against seattle i think marcus mariota versus the colts is a perfectly good option for honestly he probably just above gino for me like marcus mariota is like a perfectly good two-week streamer until jane daniels comes back and then sam darnold who was the number two quarterback in fantasy this week we harped on the interceptions because you know he kind of him engineering price kind of cost the seahawks the win but 379 yards four touchdowns two interceptions yeah and he's playing the chargers who are obviously reeling so um yeah i think between gino mariota and darnold there's actually really good quarterback streamers this week um i'll put mario to first defense less good i i kind of think the top ones the bills are playing the patriots just hope for a drake made meltdown once again yeah drake may drake maybe wentz and just again defense the thing is like they could give up a lot of points but the point is to like who could get a pick six or a who's could get a touchdown who could get a lot of sacks i think the way drake may is playing for sure i also i kind of am looking at this buccaneers packers game and i'm looking at a buck's defense against green bay whose offensive line is a disaster and i'm also looking at green bay whose defense is bad but they're j i mean if baker mayfield and the dislocated thumb don't play this week jaylen daniels who's an undrafted free agent rookie playing an nfl defense i don't care how bad they are they're going to be a good defense and they're going to be a good defense you're talking about like big plays sacks fumbles interceptions i think the packers defense i don't know if we'll see this again all season but the packers defense is probably like has a chance to be the number one defense of the week just because if baker doesn't play um yeah don't think packers defense is rostered having uncontrolled eosinophilic esophagitis or eoe can mean you're stuck in many ways like cutting your food into tiny pieces you or stuck chewing food for a long time dupixent dupilumab a prescription medicine for patients one year and older weighing at least 33 pounds can help with that it's a breakthrough treatment that can reduce inflammation in the esophagus and improve swallowing you can get with this or you can get with that how about this dupixent is not a steroid it proactively treats eoe so you can get ahead of it severe allergic reactions including skin reactions can occur get help right away if you have trouble breathing or or swelling of your face mouth tongue or throat tell your doctor of new or worsening joint aches and pain or a parasitic infection or asthma don't change or stop other treatments without talking to your doctor feeling stuck with eoe start treating with dupixent talk to your gastroenterologist or allergist today about dupixent learn more at dupixent.com or call 1-844-DUPIXENT all right emails yeah craig you asked for brown's therapy yeah how are we doing out there in siberia as dk would put it uh this one's from dan dan d-bone dan writes i'm a lifelong browns fan i was seven when they came back in 1999 and i've watched watched almost every browns game since 1999 and in that time i have seen 42 different starting quarterbacks 13 different head coaches 10 different general managers five quarterbacks drafted in the first round and oh and 16 season three playoff appearances one playoff win beating the steelers and seeing old sad big ben was great but it was during covid and then craig basically dan says craig nailed it with is this deshaun watson playing really well and doing well for the browns the worst case scenario and dan says yes i was not expecting that okay dan says going into the season my friends and i talked about how worst case scenario would be deshaun playing okay to decent and the playoffs but missing out on a quarterback next year too and here we are the browns have put the fans like me through hell ever since they came back and it really felt like a cherry on top that with deshaun not only do they do a classic browns move of picking and investing in some shitty quarterback but also obviously a bad guy no self-awareness and he says this really is going to just keep the cycle of sucking going i hate them go browns browns have the 18th pick in the draft right now you know that stinks the fun we're the ramps they do have the rams how many picks do they have so they're actually probably higher the rams they have three firsts that's really funny two firsts the jets have three the jets right now have picks six eight and ten wow i like doing that in week three that's yeah it is actually really fun stop the count right now the bucks and the texans have the first two picks texas oh dude arch to houston uh we i did get another perspective here though this is from alex a different browns perspective alexander says when you're in the desert you need water this is what this is what i thought most people would say it he said alexander winning it's fun to watch yeah you should take any water you can get and that's what some positive vibes around the browns feels like this season they have two first round picks in the upcoming draft no one knows what a good quarterback is anyways look on deshaun watson specifically the national media became a little too fixed on this pre-season booze and the storyline where everyone's booing him yes the entire season is booing him and the entire season is booing him and the entire season is booing deshaun watson thing's been a mess yes we know about the contract and the draft picks and everything and as a browns fan i much prefer my team taking big swings than putts around like the stupid uh bangles or steelers which is a funny thing to read and craig's concern about watson being too good this year also applies to aaron rogers who is my age and a vibe and a vibes vampire i agree completely and he says as a browns fan we have many issues but nothing absolutely nothing would be better than beating the trashy steelers at home seriously nothing also nick chubb retiring as a brown last week cannot be overstated as having an impact on the win it's just how you it's just philosophical differences in how you're a fan it's like short-term or long-term thinking it's like it's just people think differently one other email here this is from uh anonymous attorney okay hey who didn't want to include his name or her name because they were afraid of the lawyer they were writing about oh my goodness uh breakfast is two air fried costco egg white bites with sriracha and cold brew okay that sounds good a lot of eggs this morning for the game air fried a lot of air fryers out there i know i've never owned an air fryer it's a big thing i don't i've i barely know what it is it it's like well there's there's like a toaster oven style air fryer and then there's like real air frying i have one that says it's an air fryer but it's really like a toaster oven but it's great it's really it is an excellent thing crisps it up that was kind of gross to me whenever i see somebody like pull out the plastic cartridge and they're just like dumping in that's like you can put cut up pieces of raw salmon in there they don't make salmon bites i'm like that's gross chunk chunk wishes he could bucket and it's like pour whatever you want in there and it'll cook it for you i don't i don't know i do know what you mean anonymous attorney writes in the monday episode you guys uh or the sunday night recap he said you guys brought up the why they known law firms in local areas and asked for emails he says i'm an attorney and while i've never practiced personal injury law i have some exposure to how these firms operate these firms are not law firms that is just not their focus these are guerrilla marketing firms and firms they will not litigate they will not litigate a case at trial and if they refuse to take those cases and if a case does go to trial they will just refer that out to somebody else these firms are some of the best case studies of marketing prowess that you could find in a local market these like personal injury firms they bring in as many leads as possible and then settle as fast as possible to get a payout so these lawyers of these firms are essentially salesmen that draft up settlements as quick as possible and it's an absolutely brilliant business operation but also the fast food of law practice and in san diego there's a firm that goes by attorney king and he drives a shiny gold lamborghini around town and has marketing videos and projects with high-end streamers and the entire san diego county is plastered with attorney king billboards they're like influencers yeah they're influencer lawyers and so uh my favorite one so i was going through and a lot of people have these influencer lawyers my favorite one of which was someone emailed in about jim adler who is known as the texas hammer and always has a sledgehammer with him in all his ads i think i've seen this and he yes he had a segment on last week tonight because the texas hammer sued the alabama hammer can't have two hammers there can be only one there can be only one there i saw it was shit it was shit yeah and so not only is jim adler the texas also you should google the texas hammer the sledgehammers he also was in a mike judge movie apparently and was portrayed by gene simmons oh wow in a movie cool but yeah the texas hammer yeah this guy this is exactly how i thought he looked this looks like a tim and eric sketch the guy on the left in this in this billboard it legitimately looks like tim heidecker are we sure it's not the biggest sledgehammer is that not one of the on the left in like a wig and a makeup wow got free real estate it does look like that got a house for you jim i love it injured wreck called jim adler i love really efficient billboards dude there's one in la injured see driving around yeah dude that looks like yeah um there's a billboard i see all around la and always just it's a giant billboard and all it says is cheated on question mark std testing.org yeah i'm like man that hits that's efficient right there you know what i mean like that yeah cuts right through the noise there should be a billboard for like draft did you draft drake may called jim adler with the sledgehammer the fantasy hammer do you guys ever drive by the ones about god and then you kind of be like maybe i should call the number i've you you you you you i know what you're talking about you're calling god no well i don't think it's a direct line well that's too bad it could be you don't know though until you try right right the other law firm that i had to mention was um i'm gonna redact all these people's names but he says breakfast is cold brew protein shake apple with peanut butter uh in charlotte there is a law firm called peniston and deason okay but it's i mean it's spelled peniston right p-e-n-i-s-t-o-p n like a ton of penis it's like that's like miss pistol yes exactly and the guy's name is richard so his advertising is literally dick peniston jesus okay and it's on the spine of the phone book dick peniston i see him here it's probably pronounced peniston probably he should just go by peniston if you wanted more marketing if you want to really make a splash email's more good billboards i want you ring your fantasy football gmail.com i want more good billboards thank you dk thank you craig thank you cam thank you to kill thank you austin thank you for listening emails fantasy courts litigate litigate your will litigate where the real laurie is here with judges jerry will fit we'll litigate what's going on in your group chat send us what you're arguing about we'll hold a sledgehammer during we should fantasy court thank you lord lord 80s month more emmys dk 80s month my god final one we are so close to the end of 80s month i feel like we cannot leave 80s month without talking about fucking guns and roses welcome to the jungle baby wow you're gonna die at the beginning of the song it's like welcome to the jungle baby you're gonna die uh just a great song iconic song i think that's according to rolling stone one of the 500 greatest songs of all time um yeah rose slash we can't get out of this month without talking about guns and roses i love guitar now you're gonna die that's how craig feels a drink but you're gonna die welcome to the jungle um opening guitar really want to make sure you just run through a wall the second you hear a very elite one second song challenge song yeah true this one's from 1987 uh their album appetite for destruction just fucking badass i almost did november rain do you guys know the song november rain but and then i realized it was in the early 90s was when they released it no i don't think i know it november rain is also super iconic like from guns and one of the most yeah guns and roses one of the most like glorious they do this crazy outro solo where slash is just fucking going to town for like a full two minutes it's fucking amazing the only the only other big guns and roses song i know is the only other big guns and roses song i know is the only other big guns and roses song i sweet child of mine oh yeah that's another good one that's also the start the beginning of that song is immediate right immediately recognizable in high school we did this thing called lip sync where each class competes and you put on like a 10 minute kind of performance of like kind of like sketches and you're lip syncing to songs and one of them we did my senior year was the scene from stepbrothers where adam scott is doing sweet child of mine in the car and i i played adam scott so i had to like get his exact lines down the singing and all his comments and it was like the most fun we were like on stage between the drive and they like almost crash and then they stick to the song it's great oh that's good did you guys win we did win we were good of course of course nice we put a lot of work into it that was like the most fun i've ever had doing stuff like that is great it is that is like really fun yeah um i'm still reading about rick penniston i'm on his uh website i'm gonna tell us things about him i love i just love stuff like this here's this is on his website on the personal side rick is celebrating 30 years of marriage to jane and enjoying his children and grandchildren rick is a lifelong cowboy he has competed in western riding competitions since age nine and he has won several world and national championships he was recently inducted into the extreme cowboy hall of fame whoa stop it not just the regular cowboy hall of fame cowboy hall of fame he has won several world and national championships national championships i mean with a name like dick peniston dick penis did extreme cowboy hall of fame you gotta be tough what the fuck is the extreme wait so there's a cowboy hall of fame and then there's extreme cowboy hall of fame yeah don't tell jerry johns about that what are the extreme cowboys doing differently craig cameron founder of the extreme cowboy association and the original cowboy imagine naming yourself that the original cow who is craig stream cowboy racing the extreme cowboy association what are they up to what are they up to if anyone can get us in touch with the extreme cowboy association please put us in touch at rigger 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