‘About Last Night’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Mallory Rubin

The Rewatchables second episode of the week is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network where you can find the House of R that's right with Mallory Rubin you can find The Watch with Chris Ryan the new owner of the Los Angeles Lakers congratulations thanks Bob and Josh and I we did some glad you guys pulled that off I think you guys are going to do a great job change from the couch cushions there this podcast is a hard R and possibly an NC-17 40th anniversary about last night next this episode of The Rewatchables is presented by the movie Mutiny only in theaters August 21st our guy Jason Statham stars in Mutiny the new action thriller from the director of Plane I like that movie when an international conspiracy turns deadly that always happens Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission I love one-man missions to take down those responsible and if you're a fan of The Beekeeper The Meg or The Expendables guilty this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in you've 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you that unfortunately I felt like it did when I was 16 I'm like oh now I have the blueprint for how a relationship goes how clarifying wrong blueprint but this this really was unconventional for the beginning middle end and then re-rise of a relationship in a movie I don't remember seeing a lot of these yeah I felt like I was learning a lot in real time yeah it's probably like closer to Annie Hall than it is like I don't know like definitely like Santa was fire I mean it's it's way closer to something like that yeah I was thinking things you learn yeah when you're growing up basic things you learn from a movie like how to drink a beer sure how to how to have sex what sex is like yeah how to shout tits and ass different positions what boobs look like well I mean how to how to shoot somebody you find that out on TV or in movies yeah how to do drugs how to like shoot heroin how would I know that otherwise I'm like 12 you're always slamming your head back when you do a line of coke now right how to do this how you make meat sauce I learned from Clemenza gotta put the meat in how to double cross somebody and then how to survive a relationship you screwed up I think was the legacy of this one but you loved this movie I asked you to do it you were delighted I was thrilled thrilled I mean what a treat this is in some ways I feel like we've always been talking about this movie with each other you know over our what 13, 14 gosh years together I'd say that it is referenced either directly or subtly in every conversation that we've had for a decade and a half and a lot of the lines yep yep things I just took from this movie that I don't even think I really realized it until I was studying it watching it twice in two days exactly also a movie I could have done blind I really did think about it you had told us you might do that so does that mean you decided against it you revisited the the sacred text you know why I decided against it because I wanted to watch it again yeah I was like no I don't want to watch this as we push towards 2028 I think we should consider blind month blind month yeah is that movies about blind people or is it just no prep no it's all about maybe both it's bird box it's are there notes we just have like blank categories what do we do I think we would just have to just like see how much of the pod we could do based on memory but maybe Craig could be like you guys should do most rewatchable scene here or something like that like Craig or Craig could say each category yeah I'd be ready to do it this movie I don't know why I've seen at least once a year for 40 years once a year I don't know just average so this is your like I watch the entire extended edition cut of the Lord of the Rings trilogy every Thanksgiving that's a tradition that my husband and I share yeah we've the last couple years I've done it closer to Christmas but it's always Lord of the Rings is a movie about to find out you know it's a holiday tradition it's our legit legitimately our favorite thing we do all year okay so your version of that is watching about last night by yourself with your family over the holidays if it's on it's like oh this is on my wife loves this there's very few movies that I love and my wife love equally yes and this is interesting it's probably less than 15 my wife was salty because I just knocked this out and she was like I would have watched that with you she was like hurt was she home? she was around but like I wasn't like hey 8pm tonight let's watch about last night she was I don't know man it feels like it connects to the commentary in the film you're not going to be Siamese twins you're going to maintain your own lives make your own when you told her you watched the movie did you sit in the dark in a red chair with a cigarette and just be like this isn't working out unbelievable the mood lighting in that scene I'm going to see your face for this incredible I think what's shocking about this movie is how well done it is for an 80s movie because think of all the movies that like even Rob Lowe and Demi Moore we kind of have a certain expectation for 80s movies that I loved but they were kind of here and this one's pretty good I really feel like it holds up from a structure standpoint and an acting standpoint got a real good director on it so Ed Zwick goes on to make tons of stuff like Glory and Last Samurai 30 something Blood Diamond Blood Diamond of course TIA Blood Diamond go do it CR TIA this is Africa incredible Mammoth Source Material Mammoth Source Material of which there's like some tweaks two big scenes at least in my memory that they take more or less verbatim first scene is basically it's that's the opening scene of the play you can tell although it's worth mentioning that the play is much more vicious yes is a lot less probably palatable to like a mass audience because like that opening scene it's like Liko and Danny are like oh if she's 18 she's ready to go like it's dark but is she a pro? at this point we can't say but the biggest thing for me about this movie is like they take stage source material and the way they make it feel like a movie in cinema is to just make Chicago the main character the fifth character in the movie yeah great use of the city the river walks your local bar the apartments feel simultaneously of a piece in terms of like the way you understand quickly how the people live and inhabit them but they're really distinct from each other the ballpark of course you know you can feel the way that these people would be like yeah I mean mothers is the you know not to already jump into the categories but I mean mothers is just perfectly used absolutely perfectly used and you know to understand right away that like you've got the different we've got the advertising team right so we have different groups of people who are meeting and interacting for the first time but also you kind of buy that they're inhabiting the same slice of the city it's a great Chicago movie I mean it's the crowded field for Chicago movies as the three of us have discussed previously together one podcast this did make me realize though I think what a run where you probably find San Francisco to be the movie city of the 90s I was thinking about this too I think Chicago is the movie city of the 80s yeah I think we did this did we well we did like we talked about the best possible stretch and it's between 85 and 86 they're just John Hughes is still doing them Chuck Norris is there for Koda Silence Running Scared yeah Running Scared is there Ferris they're filming Ferris in the city as they're filming this in the city I think it's crazy two years after Risky Business so Thief in the beginning of the decade Blues Brothers in the beginning of the decade don't tell us what you thought of this movie yet did it make you want to move to Chicago in the summer I've never wanted to live in a world more than the opening sequence of this film between the baseball field and mothers and the walk and the bike riding it's the best look at that face see I you love I'm come on he was he was gonna love the movie I've always loved Chicago had a couple couple coffees there but this movie does a nice job of giving you all the beats of Chicago right summer it's the best place on the earth and then you get to the winter and it's just pouring rain and snow kind of time with the movie the ebbs and flows of yeah how we do it and then we just have the we said Chicago's character mothers is a character the four people in this are fucking lights out it's like a four for four Jim - Is his name Belushi? - Yeah. - I don't know where this came from. - Well, he played this character a couple of times stage, and he was like, there are points when I didn't know basically when the character ended and when I began. It was obviously something he really connected to. Tits and ass! Tits and ass! His performance is my favorite thing about the movie, by a comfortable margin. I think it's iconic. Genuinely iconic. He has some of the best lines. I mean, the delivery. Who said at first I did Dan, Dan, Dan? Was it before you came or after? Like, really asking the questions of our time. Trying to understand how his friend is navigating these meaningful circumstances as you go through life. I have a lot of Belushi stuff for later. I did want to talk about the dating cycle. Which I think this movie hit the best out of any movie I can remember. I'll give you the steps. We have chemistry. There's immediate action. Somebody either plays it cool or has some regrets. Oh, no, we're doing a makeup game. Let's go again. Start spending time together. I was thinking you could take a drawer. A drawer? Yeah. A whole drawer? A whole drawer. A whole drawer, Danny? Now we're moving in. Did we do this too soon? Yeah. Are we roommates or are we boyfriend and girlfriend? What's going on here? Yeah. Because we moved into this weird territory and I don't know if this makes sense anymore. We talked about this for 15 minutes. Yeah. I don't know. We don't know anything about you. We don't really talk. We get the L-bomb, which comes later in this movie, but that's a big one, too. Who's going to say it first? Yeah, but there's like the little, the premature ejaculation on the I love you front when in the tub scene. I love making love. I love making love. Yeah, but he quickly said it in the. L-bomb. We get the pregnancy scare. Yeah. That's right. How's he going to handle it? Not well. He handles it badly. Not well, folks. We get it's starting to get a little rocky. The job's starting to get. So we have all that. Are you going to talk to her about it? Oh, you're not? That's not good. We have the holidays. Yep. It's like, oh, now we're becoming our parents. No, this isn't going really well either. We get the I feel like we're a couple kids playing house conversation and we get the terrible breakup. And then we get the one person regretting it, one person never going to forgive the other one. Usually the relationship ends. Just a touch of stalking as well during that stretch. It's more than a touch. I like stalking. I don't even feel like it's an appetizer portion. It's a full entree. There's so many great details within those moments and within those movements. There's like the dividing up of like who's bringing what to the new apartment. Yeah. There is the definitely the taking me for granted part when you first start hot and heavy where it's like first there's that initial burst of like I haven't seen my friends in three weeks. This is amazing. And then there's like, wait, I haven't seen my friends in three weeks. This is weird. My friends are mad at me. Yeah. And like I remember when I was first started dating Phoebe, who became my wife, we had like a week run or two week run where it was like Chinese food, go to the bar, like, you know, just I never left her apartment. I was like, yeah, going to my record store job and buying a T-shirt at the gap because I didn't have any clothes at her place. This was your you're carrying your undies in a bag. But there was like one day where like I was like, and so what about like, what do you want to do later? What do you want to do today? And she was like, this is weird. Like, I feel like we went from like not barely knowing each other to now. It's like, oh, what do you want for dinner tonight? It's like that you have to find the spark. It's too early for there to not to be that spark. And it's funny how there's those ebbs and flows of those relationships. This movie really gets it. They're also really young. Well, it's kind of incredibly young. That's the thing that I feel like has changed the most. It's you know how old they were when they made this? Well, I believe they were like 20 21 years old. Rob was 21 turned 22 when it came out and she's like a year and a half older. They're supposed to be like 25 in the movie. They explain it that he never went to college. So he's in the workforce early. But even so, like Rob Lowe was in class, the boarding school. Yeah. Jacqueline Biss said Andrew McCarthy movie like four years before this. Yeah. As a realistic like junior, senior in boarding school. It doesn't really matter. If anything, I like that they're younger playing up versus the way they would screw this movie up so many ways now. Like the they'd be too old playing younger. The Belushi character would be a disaster. They would have no idea what to do with that character. I don't know what the Elizabeth Perkins character would be, but she. My icon. My icon, Joan. Just mean as a fucking. I absolutely love her. Mean as a shrew. That's the thing. All four, like the worst kind of drawn character is probably the Rob Lowe character. He's just kind of a sponge off everyone else. I would say by a comfortable margin. That's true, which is like one of the things is you revisit it time and time again that maybe starts to feel a little bit strange because when you watch it for the first time, much like, and this is like a meta quality to this, much like Debbie, you're just so swept up because he is so beautiful. One of the great moments of the movie of course is when Bernie's like, your problem is that you're too good looking. You know, and it doesn't feel like there's actually something to that. Like this person doesn't know how to navigate the world because he's so hot. And she says it. Like she talks about it like how she, multiple times. Yeah. And it's good because like when his life starts to spin out a little bit, you get the feeling like it might be the first time that's ever happened to him. Exactly. It's like the first time these things haven't come easy to me you know, and yeah. Part of it is his hair, which gets crazier as the movie goes along. It's a little bit of his St. Elmo's fire haircut. Dude, we're in like Teen Wolf territory in a couple scenes. It's bizarre. Obviously it's the 80s, so there's like the 80s mullet for the Danny character. Debbie has a little bit of the 80s micro bang mixed in with like the, you know, the blown out hair, but his hair gets really, really wonky in a few scenes. If like Craig showed up with that hair I'd be like, dude, you gotta talk. What's going on? Pair it with the shoulder pads and the suits. You should be promoted. Yeah. Exactly. Do you remember like when you saw this movie, you were 10? How old were you? No, I was 16. 16. Oh man. And as you were going into like high school. By the way, I had a separate history with this movie because I watched General Hospital regularly in the first half of the 80s and Demi Moore was on General Hospital, which is where she became famous. So the fact that she got naked in this movie. Huge. They had to carry me out. I don't want to talk about it, but I had like, it was like an NFL injury. I was put on a stretcher. They put on the injury dress. They had to strap me in. I gave everybody a thumbs up. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Still how I feel about it when I watch it now. Simmons seems to have pulled something. We're going to go to commercial. Simmons needs an IV and he'll be back. Yeah, so I had a big picture of that. Simmons to the juice room. The other thing is Rob Lowe was a legitimate Rob Lowe's in this movie. I want to see it. He reached that point because he had had the Outsiders class, Hotel New Hampshire, which was the one failure, but I liked Oxford Blues. I liked Young Bud and I liked St. Elmo's Fire and it just felt like, oh, and Demi Moore and she was great and it just felt like this was going to be a thing. It was really well marketed. Jim Belushi had been on Saturday Night Live, so knew who he was and then Perkins was the whatever, but I wrote this down. CR. I think there's only two really truly influential rom-coms ever and I think this is one of them. I think the other is When Harry Met Sally. I think if you actually look at the DNA of the last 40 years of rom-coms, normal relationship rom-coms, I think they all crib from this movie. You don't think it's Annie Hall? Is Annie Hall a rom-com though? I mean, it's a romantic comedy. Yeah, of course. I always feel like the Woody Allen's over here. Yeah, but I feel like all of these movies are drawing from the idea of what if you told a story of a relationship? But they've been doing that since the 30s, 40s, 50s. Sure, yeah. I'm just talking about the modern version of these. You think like No Strings Attached. Yes. All the shitty versions of these, they're all like this where it's like people meet. Now we're about to go on a road and we're going to get it and somebody's going to screw it up and then at the end there's going to be a good song and they're back together. But when Harry Met Sally was the oh, we're friends. Do you like me more than I like you? The will they or won't they? But I just think those are the two diehards of this version. Have you workshopped this take with Littman or Dobbins? You know, rom-com scholars? Give me the other. I mean, I don't know. Give me the other last 40 years though. You're half Hobbit. You know. That's the nicest thing you ever said to me. Though, rude given that I know you fast forward through the Hobbit scenes in Lord of the Rings. There's been monster rom-coms, but like Pretty Woman wasn't influencing rom-coms for 35 years, you know. My Best Friend's Wedding. This one is like the structure of it I think has been repeated over and over again. And you need the two people and you have the two sidekicks. Yeah. And like Katherine Hahn was the Elizabeth Perkins character in four rom-coms or Judy Greer. You know, and then the Belushi one. It's always like, oh man, look out for this guy. Whoa. He's gonna make some jokes. Yeah. Be offensive. Rob Lowe head-to-head battle with Cruise through 1986. One guy had Top Gun in 86. The other at about last night. Cruise takes off. That's it. I thought you were about to make the case that that meant Rob Lowe won based on how you're talking about this movie so far. No. Top Gun wins. But I think he's maybe the most desired guy to get in your movie who's under 25. At this point. At this point. Yeah. Interesting. Out of all those 80s dudes? Because he passes Timothy Hutton. Yeah. He passes Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson, McCarthy, all those dudes. See Thomas Howell? And Cruise he was ahead of in the billing. and the Outsiders. Yeah. So, and he was the most famous Brat Pack guy I think and also probably the most was he the most like kind of publicly out there like I'm at the club I'm going I'm dating famous people kind of person yes and Mallory can attest to this I would say top five handsome celebrities that all women are like that guy's handsome just great I don't think if anyone said like Rob Lowe's not great looking no that would be that would be absurd it's like absurd like how many people have reached his level of handsomeness not many no and you know Craig obviously I don't know if there's five more once you break out of the new America yeah exactly there's something I mean obviously it's the piercing eyes most of all just all the time he's got a great chin the jawline and the chin there's like just the little kind of constellation the dusting of freckles this is a great movie because he's routinely sometimes absurdly shirtless like when he's you know okay I can't actually have my dick in my hand so I have a wad of pasta putting it into the boiling water he uses his left hand to be canonically accurate here where I'm standing I'm so proud of the the table setting so I'm gonna like open my already open shirt to tuck my hands into my pocket so that you running to get the newspaper on the front stoop in his tights whiteys his body coming out of the shower with a towel on I can't wait to talk more about that scene because it is one of the most puzzling towel techniques in the history of film it's like a weird it's like a sash all he does is dry his right hip that's it but it's like 57 seconds long can't say I timed it but it feels right right hip got really wet the body his body is it's like he's not a bodybuilder he doesn't look like a professional athlete you know he just looks like a swimmer yeah he like looks like a guy who's skinny lean but wiry playing in the in the mother's softball beer league and clearly like like the centerpiece of that team right some astonishing infield defense you know you care to comment as an all metro player yourself surprisingly put him at second base where would you have put him center field shortstop seemed like a shorter center with his athleticism I did not know I mean if you want to do the softball stuff now no no save it okay we can do it now Chris brought his computer to his lap he was so excited to talk about this the giant softball I didn't know about Chicago softball did you know about it no no what tell us everything you learned it's a 16 inch softball that you're supposed to play without gloves and it kind of compresses when you catch it I was confused by this and that's only a Chicago thing and New Orleans oh yeah I love that I love it I fucking love it I never knew about it other than this movie me neither and I've wanted to play it my whole life is that why he's able to toss that ball into like his wall without just the drywall crumbling I think so because it's a little bit of a softer texture although that moment is such a great like before phones were invented moment where you're just like I don't really read he'd be doom scrolling TikTok right now oh man I think it's harder to really hit those too yeah so when Belushi goes deep later that's like a real achievement yeah there's some heaviness there's more mass to that ball interesting so this is like the inverse of duck pin bowling in Maryland where you've got the small pins and the small balls and the larger ball interesting didn't know we have that in Massachusetts yeah something we share pin bowling's around two things that we share really wing those Adley Rutschman in duck pin bowling switching to Adley yeah how's he doing he just debuted leader of the team he was hurt and he's the catcher swung out spectacular Contreras isn't the catcher anymore no he plays first okay beloved by his teammates one other thing with Rob Lowe shockingly good IMDB when you look at like the last 45 years sure he kept it seemed like his career was over at one point and then he kind of rallied back with the Tommy Boy era then he had the West Wing era well he's been one of the most Parks and Rec dependable television actors for the last 30 years probably 20 25 years between Parks and Rec and West Wing and then also doing 9-1-1 for several years like don't forget Dr. Vegas that last week don't forget Parks and Rec you know Rob Lowe he's a TV guy right yeah yeah definitely I almost see them as two different people like seeing him in movies like this and then Chris Traeger in Parks and Rec I know it's a completely different and then the third guy is the guy wearing the NFL hat yeah exactly I do think for a generation he is Chris Traeger he is the Parks and Rec guy he is literally it's three different generations of him because the second generation when he's doing Tommy Boy and Wayne's World and he's all of a sudden reinventing himself as a comedic actor he was an amazing SNL host yeah and it was just like wow and he was kind of trying to put his life back together yeah and he had the Oscars with Snow White it was a big disaster for him but I gotta say he also wrote a really good autobiography yeah did you have him on your pod I did he was a very good podcast guest I talked about this movie with him and with Jim Belushi and Rob Lowe said it's my favorite thing I've ever done he said that on the pod he said that anywhere he's like it's the number one thing I've been involved with and Belushi loved it too and they both loved the theory that this movie because I think people think When Harry Met Sally created the modern rom-com this is three years before When Harry Met Sally and it did well it succeeded we didn't talk about Demi Moore yet 23 when this movie released and we're giving her two categories coming out of the gate the Bam Outta Pio 83 point where the fuck did this performance come from award and the Peter North award for most effort put into a movie oh man yeah I don't know if anyone's ever put more into a rom-com she's multiple sex scenes multiple breakdowns wearing some of the worst clothes wide variety of hairstyles yeah yeah just going for it very special very memorable give Demi Moore thoughts about I think she's great in this movie it's actually like I think that Debbie is a lunatic and that there are a number of moments where in the span of a single not just scene or conversation but sentence she swings from measured and balanced into a complete breakdown in a way that is obviously very entertaining to watch but there are also then on the other end of the spectrum so many moments where she is like really rooted and grounded in some sort of actual measured perspective and outlook you know she believably conveys I think a 23, 24 year old person who is like trying to figure out whether she wants to be young and free and fun or try out the next phase of her life with this more serious relationship she's incredibly selfish and self-involved right the character and she also is like mesmerizingly beautiful she has that kind of I've got my my you know polo sweater and wavy hair girl next door quality but also you're like she's a fucking freak and I can't wait to find out where those hands went right before we cut away from the beanbag scene and went into the you know what I mean I do know what you mean you know what I mean it's just great she's got the husky voice great voice yeah I mean she's just so sexy and winning and charming and you believe as you often do with Demi Moore movies that anyone who looked at her for two seconds would be in love with her of course I mean she's just an all-timeer so throw your life away oh my god oh no question she had St. Elmo's Fire Jules one of my favorite characters of all time yeah the all-time throw my life away I totally would have gone in the hotel room would have saved her from the Saudis I would have paid her rent even when I didn't have money but she's in that movie with Rob Lowe who's an even bigger fuck up than her and then they have the famous scene together when she he tries to make a move on her in the jeep at like four in the morning we covered this on the rewatch and she's like you break my heart Billy then again you break everyone's heart so they have this great moment then in this movie it flips where they're more stable normal sure they're really good together dated briefly yep yeah unclear but then like they're they're dueling autobiographies like I think Rob Lowe's like we were hot and heavy for a bit and Demi Moore's like I barely I barely remember this but I think we have one day together I think we hooked up once they agreed they at least hooked up once but she then was with Estevez for a while oh yeah and was engaged yeah yeah his brat pack buddy best actress in a movie ever 87 Oscars for the 86th year the winner was Marlee Matlin for Children of a Lesser God okay okay Sigourney Weaver in Aliens heard that's a good movie I heard that's a pretty solid performance sheesh Kathleen Turner Peggy Sue Gets Married or Peggy Sue Got Married C.C. Spacek Crimes of the Heart mm-hmm okay here's the bad one Jane Fonda for The Morning After yeah classic just legacy we should have thrown Demi one on this one she's doing it all her big scene which I can't wait to talk about the breakup scene yeah yeah who's doing better than that in a scene fucking home run it's like she turns into Meryl Streep like is that Meryl Streep or Demi Moore nobody nobody in her draft class could do better than that no way yeah um she's not my pick for who should get an Oscar from this movie with respect oh I can't wait it's definitely Perkins yeah I think without question that performance is electric every single moment from Joan is historic it's really cool how this movie is about and it makes no bones about like these two characters the main characters and if anything I think Sam was fired for instance is like hamstrung by the fact that they're like oh we gotta go to Vermont with Emilio Estevez while he tries to chase down Andy McDowell this is like this is a movie about their relationship but the two more interesting people no question are their friends are Bernie and Joan and they're the Greek chorus who are gonna talk about like their mindsets and like the way people think about the opposite sex and the way people think about dating it really taps into something that movies have tried to do and usually fuck up of when the friends resent the relationship yes - Sure. - And it's been a theme forever, This one does it really well. Like, Joan's an active terrorist for this relationship. Yeah. But you kind of see it from her side. She doesn't want to lose her friend. Maybe she doesn't like Danny that much. And then Bernie just wants his running mate. Like, that's all he cares about. I think they're all very selfish. They're all very nakedly selfish. The thing that makes that work, I feel like I was curious, actually, to get Craig's opinion on this, because I feel like a modern audience might find that part of the movie, like the fact that everybody's actually a really bad friend, like a slightly tougher hang now, because maybe people have less patience for that with each other. But it feels very true to life to me. So there's one thing that really, I think, probably has echoed on after this era is the idea that when you're young, you're kind of on guard against anything ever-changing, because you're like, we're all agreeing to have bad jobs and go out every night, right? And then the first person who's like, yeah, I'm going to grow up, you're like, oh, shit, that's an indictment of me, right? Mm-hmm. And I love that Joan kind of manipulates Deb and is like, you know, I bet you're the kind of girl who just drops her friends like a hot potato as soon as she gets a boyfriend. And Debbie's like, doesn't everyone? She's like, doesn't everybody? And she's like, well, I don't. But then again, I don't have that many dates. And it's like, she's manipulating. I mean, Joan is fucking a dude every night. Joan's banging through Chicago. Every night. But that is a person, though, right? That is like a real person who's just like, no, like, if we're friends and we're roommates, like, you're in this with me. Yes. And it's just like a really, really good characterization. Like when you met, you started hanging out with Phoebe and close to her and was like, tits and ass, tits and ass. Yeah. Bloody blue, bloody blue. The original title for Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs was tits and ass, tits and ass, yeah. Perkins is a home run. She's unbelievable. And then she's in Big two years later. Yep. And then goes to jail for her crimes against young Josh Baskin. Indeed. By staying outside his house after. One of my favorite podcast conversations that we've ever had. Screenplays from Tim Kazerinsky and Dennis, Denise DeClue. Kazerinsky, who was on SNL forever. Yeah. I knew him. He was on the Eddie Murphy cast. Big Belushi friend. And this, that step on casting, what ifs, this was always supposed to be an acroid Belushi thing. It was always the thought. Okay. In the early 80s, then Belushi died. And then it went to Jimbo. It was a legendary play. Belushi played Bernie in the play. Yeah. William Macy did it for a while early on. Also, like, I took one play, a writing class in college where we had to, like, do different scenes and stuff. But this was, like, one of the plays that they would always use because the dialogue was so good. So it was like, oh, I'm going to do a scene. I think everybody probably did some version of their first scene. If you're just like, oh, me and CR have playwright class. We're going to get up on stage and go tits and ass, tits and ass. Yeah, we're just going to do sexual perversity. Ed Zwick, this was his first movie. He was a Chicago guy. And said, I actually got his book. Hoping for more insights. Yeah, he got one good one. But yeah, he was a big Chicago guy. Led to a lot of stuff. $8.5 million budget. Made $38.7 million. Pretty good for 1986. Do you happen to have 86 box office, like, handy right there? I mean, I can get it. I saw that this was, like, the 25th ranked box office movie of that year. And I just was kind of curious. And, like, the 10th R-rated, right? Or something like that? I just feel like we were living well back then. It was a big summer movie. And it was a big, like, high school, you know, it's an R, if you're under 18. So, can I get in? Yeah, there's, right. And then it's a date movie. Something illicit about it. You know, it had something for everybody. Well, oh, man. We just, Kyle and I just did this one. We did Karate Kid 2, which was the fourth movie of 1986. About last night, it was 26th. But yeah, we've done half of these at this point. Have we? Aliens is up there, right? Not Police Academy 3. That's going to be, like, season 27 of the rewatch. Blind Police Academy 3. Yeah. That's what's up. Just rip through that. A lot of good comedies. By me, it was this year, Cobra. Oh, wow, yeah. Done it all. So, one of the big pleasant surprises of this podcast, Roger Ebert. This is just an all-time Ebert review. All-time. Four stars. Four. He said, it's one of the rarest of recent American movies because it deals fearlessly with real people instead of with special effects. He shits on San Elmo's Fire and then says, this is the movie San Elmo's Fire should have been. About last night gives the best. To me and Rob Lowe, the best acting opportunities either one has ever had. They make the most of them. And then he says, why is it that love stories are so rare from Hollywood these days? Have we lost faith in romance? This is what I'm saying. People stop talking. I was surprised to read this review because I thought he was going to be like, they've desecrated Mamet's incredible play. But no. You know what? He loves character. He loves story. That's right. That's right. He said it's a warm-hearted intelligent love story in one of the year's best movies. Warm-hearted. I don't know if I totally agree with that. I'm not sure I would describe this movie as warm-hearted. Counter. I think this movie is living inside my heart now. Living inside. Being greeted on your doorstep today by you two just regaling me with a song was honestly really special. That was great. I think this movie part of its charm to me is that it's kind of like acid dip. You know? It has an edge. Not as much of an edge as the play is. Yeah. There's something like unvarnished deliberately about it. The play makes you want to blow your brains out at the end. This is somewhat uplifting. Yeah. Too uplifting at the end? We'll get to it. Raj took a shot at Top Gun. He said Top Gun was so afraid of a real relationship that its real love affair was with airplanes. And he's like, we should make more like About Last Night. And then guess what? We made 40 years of About Last Nights. Keep making them and making them. They're on streamers every week. Yes. Now we're making movies where you only have one night to have sex with somebody. I can't wait to see that. Rom-coms have gotten like I think probably increasingly high concept. Yeah. But what we really want is like guy meets a girl or whatever and then goes forward. You know? Yeah. Yeah. The tale is old as time. Two crazy kids. 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And then the two women, like, I don't know, they just seem like authentic friends that have the same up and downs and little petty dumb shit but have each other's back. But have that, they have that quality of like when Belushi and Lowe meet up on the rooftop. Yeah. And it's kind of like, hey, man, like, we were friends at work but, like, don't bust my chops and don't talk about Deb anymore like that. Like, there is that, like, gradations of, like, how close are these guys? Right. Or do they just go out every night? Yes. I'm combining the next rewatchable scene, the softball scene, into the bar. Into the combo. Unbelievable stuff. Let's cover the softball scene quickly. Sure. Great. Everybody's just going down to watch the game? Just people from the office? I mean, if the hottest guy in town is tapping the keg like that, who's not showing up to watch. Like if we had a ringer softball team. would just ringer staffers come down with beers and then like I strike out to end the game and somebody comes up to me and I'm like not right now probably if we lived in a city where it wasn't like cool see you in 56 minutes after I get done driving through bumper to bumper forest fires our game's in Sherman Oaks today good luck it's 112 degrees and two hours away do you see any scenario where people would just go to a softball game on a Tuesday night this is why I said this is the world I want to live in this is the perfect environment when I lived in New York and worked at Sports Illustrated we had we were in the Zog Sports Wiffle Ball League and Bowling League this is a thing that people used to do but we would get on the subway to go home we did have ringer basketball I have a team photo of it that's right I remember being obsessed with Letterman's show and he showed a picture once of like their softball game and it was the Letterman team and I was like I'd find out I'd fucking kill someone right now to be a Letterman writer someday and be in the softball game with the Letterman guys to set like guys there's nothing stopping us from starting a ringer softball team if we want to literally nothing so where's the where's the softball team going to play as you know I've been working on my release point but this is you're going to say the valley and my mechanics and Bill and I are not going to the valley and some people are going to say like northeast LA what if is there somewhere near the office I don't think it's possible in LA what what are you talking about this is bullshit if we all lived around each other we'd be able to decide but nobody lives around each other there's more space in like the mid city or something you could probably find a field in the mid city nobody's going to mid city I think on Wednesday nights are available at Heroin Needle Park we'll probably get some games going there Bernie's Homer is incredible grabs the girl rounding third he's got a cigarette the cigarette throws her on the floor dumps the cigarette it's like what world are we in he's violating it's 9 HR violations no question going up to back with the cigarette in his mouth is it's just incredible effortlessly cool exactly and then them showing the the bench everybody's celebrating and then all of a sudden we're at Mother's and we get Pat's going in for the kill fucking Pat I'm a lolly man I I did not know that I have or I forgot but I I have some thoughts on that me too incredible junior varsity like throw throw your life away right there oh yeah yeah you want to do this now see ya I mean she's the best did did he belong with Pat is what I'm wondering how about this passionate kiss I never I've seen this movie a million times I never realized it was Megan Mullally this is the first time I realized it as well this is why you can't do blind months you have to actually look at the IMDB page she's just a bar bimbo like the moment there's blood in the water for Danny she doesn't care this is one of her best friends she's like what's Dan but she's she's Miss Rowski out there for this this movie she is she's hitting 105 fucking firing and she's like Tommy John surgery is tomorrow we're going yep yeah push notification 36 pitches north of 104 today every scene she's doing this with her elbow just trying to get to the end of the movie it's amazing Pat's going in for the kill with the hair toss and then them mocking her her friends mocking her because they're all terrible friends yeah great stuff we also get the you know what your problem is your face yeah just amazing and then we get there's a clock behind your head really funny the first mother scene it really feels like they are all feral animals in a pit like sniffing each other's asses the pheromones it gives you that sense of like it's a movie very much rooted in the individual relationship but there's this collective fervor to fuck each other and you just feel it so palpably in that scene it's amazing Craig wants to go back Mothers Mothers looks like a great part Mothers is like a top five movie bar I think it is really I had that for later I don't know if you can do much better than Mothers there's it depends on what you're looking for at a bar yeah what's great about movie bars and it's unfortunately unrealistic is like there's no way that on New Year's Eve that you can just decide to go to the local bar in a big city yeah at like 11pm and just walk in and it's perfectly crowded yeah there's just like that's why movie bars are movie bars but it's it's perfect would you go Mothers over the bar in the Verdict what's my end game what am I looking for every day well I think that the idea is like the bar in the Verdict is where you go to die right like that's where you go to like eat root hemp roast beef and eat eggs and then drink 47 beers while you play pinball sounds great protein rich yeah but Mothers is where you maybe go to meet the next Mrs. Simmons you know the town where Jon Hamm yeah that bar that's like kind of the middle ground of those two worlds St. Elmo's bar is great it is yeah this is a crowded field St. Elmo's bar has food though St. Elmo's it feels a little bit like a Friday's Mothers is like just come here and get sloshed there's popcorn we know there's popcorn at Mothers but beyond that I saw like a bar where the guy first of all is named Mother for some reason and then is just there all the time at all hours ready to engage and do shots sometimes he has a bear's helmet on yeah this guy does not exist in real life in my research it seems like Mothers has veered off towards becoming a nightclub now oh so it's mostly like it's a bee-tha night on Tuesday you know oh no I thought Mothers I had this in my research was in they filmed all those scenes at Brentwood maybe they did but there is a Mother Malone there was a bar original Mothers in Chicago there was a bar called Moms in Brentwood where they filmed a lot of Moms in LA? in Brentwood oh weird because there's a Moms in Santa Monica is it not that? maybe that's what the research meant hmm wow uh I've been to Moms a lot haha did it look like this place? not really but I don't know maybe they sent us the double date you're a very attractive woman has anyone told you that? huh that's just amazing yeah I'm a neurosurgeon I'm the heavyweight champion of the world nice to meet you champ I don't know those two are the best they're the best yeah honestly you could have 20 more minutes just with them interacting they're the best interesting broad where'd she develop her personality a car crash? looks like I got the dog such a great hang yeah this is as far as this goes tonight and then they're going at it again next scene the montage date falling in love wonderful stuff skipping work so far so good we've been living I don't know so that's Art Institute yep the Cubs from the roof that's right and going to the swallow for the first time I was gonna do this now CR Cubs game in the across the street location very tough to get Art Museum diner date yeah little vulnerability I've always wanted to open my own place yeah and then she says I love this joint that's right she sees me for who I am don't forget CR that's right the later night lake walk yeah that's right to cap it off yeah that's one best one one day date ever in a movie I think Before Sunrise still has this one there's no question the answer is Before Sunrise yeah you're right no question you get Vienna I take Vienna over Chicago I think Obsession goes pretty well for the first day for the first day for the first day I haven't seen it Crack Mallory can't see it because of the cat situation yeah you told me that you thought I could watch that movie and then Adam watched it and he was like I can't believe Bill told you that you could watch this movie there's cat violence fair Debbie tells Joan she's moving in I gave it two months leading to the move in yeah and Joan being a bitch and I like when Belushi's kind of tiptoeing around holding this like one lamp the moving scene is just it's just an incredible sequence incredible I'm supposed to rend and torture myself anally is that what you're into does Deborah know about this and then we go right into another montage that we've moved in together yeah this montage we got a natural love some Bob Seger this will be coming up in a lot of the categories this montage this is a very very powerful but confusing stretch this is called this is just the moving in montage because then there is the like this is montage number two is the moving in we've got a natural love right yes montage number three is Seger is getting closer the fitted sheet yes the living inside my heart Bob Seger stretch the long fucking scene of her smoothing out the fitted sheet that's our next scene yeah the post fight montage Debbie tries to wake him up can't yeah starts going through his shit he wakes up I don't want to be your roommate uh oh Bob Seger's playing it's actually Scott Bennett but yeah it's not Bob Seger that's not Bob Seger I don't think so I always thought it was Bob Seger living inside my heart Bob Seger isn't it yeah I think it's Bob Seger no it's Scott Bennett isn't it no in the song in the movie it's Bob Seger I don't think it's on Spotify on Spotify it's Scott Bennett it's Bob Seger okay it's living inside my heart now and then uh these two go to town on each other Mal I don't know when we want to break this down oh we have a spot later yeah she's got a whole section yeah she's good this was uh an enormous scene for teens in the 80s I'm just gonna leave it there yep Thanksgiving dinner into the bathroom fight um this is so good I love this scene could've gone 10 more minutes yeah she baked us a pie she calls him the Bulgarian friend uh well it's official I've become my mother is something that everybody hits that stage sure yeah they're like wow I'm an adult now this This sucks. And then we get the fight. She finds out about the boss. We have that whole thing. Brief one. The kindergarten class. When she's talking about the Virgin Mary. Just Elizabeth Perkins cooking. Yeah. Debbie flips out on the boss. I have another one. At the Christmas party. I want to have 10 kids with this guy. Incredibly normal thing to say. Does he love you? I don't know. Good snowy subway shots here. Was that a great shot Gordo for you? I had a different great shot Gordo. Same. Mothers on New Year's Eve. I'm going to be the refrigerator. You be Peyton. Yeah. Right in 1986 with that one. Bernie's doing the double shots. Yes. You ever done those? I have not. You ever done the double. Two bottles of one shots. I've done like the Christmas shot. Where it's like the peppermint schnapps. With the whiskey or whatever. I've done that. But were you leaning backwards over a bar. With somebody pouring them right into your mouth. Yeah. Classic Craig. Bernie probably drove home that night after that. I know. It's terrifying. 1986. I mean there's a scene where the two of them are just like free chugging bottles of whiskey. They're drinking like fucking fireball while they're walking around like the river in negative 10. Just being like tits. Yes. Debbie's friend Pat hitting on Danny. I mean. Dance with me. This is my most rewatchable scene which is New Year's Eve. It's the New Year's Eve fight. It's a tour de force. We're going to make dinner at home and try to pretend like this is where we're at in our lives. The second the phone rings we go out. Yeah. Joe needs you. Pat's flirting with you. Joan's such a bitch. She's always trying to break us up. Break up. Yeah. Awesome break up. You guys are using flirting pretty liberally. They kiss. Well, I just don't understand why Deb doesn't fucking gut Pat right there. I know. They're like hanging out later. Let me read you a Pat quote. I bet you're terrific and I know I am. That's like fucking. Good stuff. Yeah. Mizoroski level. Love the energy. The catcher's like. Love the energy from Pat. Catcher's like. You're broken. The glove from a mile away. Jacob's warming up. Then Joan melts down and the hooks are out. And then my most rewatchable scene, the breakup. Yeah. It's really good. This is just an incredible breakup scene. Danny in the dark. And she goes, here we go. It really feels like they're breaking up. Yeah. One corny moment, which I think goes to the earn this William Goldman award. She turns the light on. She's like, mind if I turn this on? Because we've been in the dark long enough. Not the best. Goldman's like. Not the best. I cut that. I don't love you anymore. Yeah. And she like gasps. Like the soul leaves her body for a second. I love that that's how bad this breakup is. So that when he goes after her and starts chasing her across Chicago, she's like, fuck you. Yeah. There can be a lot of times to get over this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if there's ever been a better breakup that I can remember in a movie where you're like, oh my God. I think that. I feel like I'm actually watching two people break up. I think that when. Marriage story. Vincent Hanna finds Ralph watching his television. Fine. I'm gone. It's done. Great stuff. The memoir is unbelievable in this scene. Yeah. Really fun. Really great. And then. I don't even know what to do with the end of it. Danny gets a bunch of strange. Yeah. Danny opens up a diner. I like when he shows up at Mother's with Belushi again. And he's like the. Cognac. Horses. Fresh horses for our men. Yeah. The one night stand from hell. Married a fair lady. That's so funny. Don't ever lose your sense of humor, Dan. Don't ever. And then we get the St. Patrick's Day. Got an obsession. I don't know where they found these 80s songs. I know. It's quite a soundtrack. And she goes out. Gaws off on him in the rain. You had it. I gave you love. I love that moment. It's great. Really nice detail in that is that when the movie starts. It's her first time to Mother's. And then after the breakup, she's like, you got to stop coming to my bars. Right. Like she's taking love. I don't want to have to start drinking in the suburbs. Yeah. Great line. Bernie and Joan. Something happens there. We'll be coming back to that in another category. Bernie brings him the stuff. That's great, Dan. I tell you, I'm a thief. You call me a liar. And then. Uh. The softball game ending, which is just a really good ending. It's cute. I have the breakup or New Year's Eve as my most rewatchable. I have New Year's Eve. I mean, it's the same night, but I have New Year's Eve. Yeah. I'm torn between the opening, which I just love the rhythm of, but it feels wrong to not pick something that Debbie's in. I think I'm going to go Thanksgiving and the bathroom fight after Thanksgiving. That's the part of the movie that I find myself most like genuinely gripped watching. The relationship's starting to fall apart. Shocking as a child of divorce that that's the part of the movie I like the best. Throw it in the toilet or the trash. Yeah. Your mascara gets in the porcelain and then it gets on my fingers. Like real, real relatable content. Your favorite scene, softball? Opening monologue just catches you immediately. It's great. Before you even see anything. It's great. While the opening credits are going. Most 1986 thing about this movie. I got a couple. Debbie's fucking her boss and Danny's boss is fucking somebody he works with. I mean, Danny's boss is just grabbing ass. Yeah. Out in plain view. That's how he has a family to feed. We've all got families. That scene is really funny. Yeah. A main character named Debbie whose best friends are Joan and Pat. Yeah. Some 80s names for sure. Yeah. The double headphones trick. Yes. Not sure that's working now. Yeah. Just the stereo system that he has in general. Yeah. Smoking indoors. Just great to see it. Sure. Really made me happy. Big for CR. The refrigerator Peyton reference is great. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think the answer is Danny's Air Jordans for me. Well, it's definitely that, but it's beyond just the fact that it's an Air Jordan. It's the Air Jordans. He's wearing bands, right? Yeah. There's nothing that roots you in that moment of time more than that specific shoe. The specific six-month stretch where those shoes came out and what weren't. Similarly, actually, on the sports time orientation front, he's wearing the no lights Wrigley field shirt. Yeah. Because they were protesting bringing lights to Wrigley. Oh, yeah. Interesting. That's a good one. So the yellow one with the red, he's got that on because they brought lights in 88. So that's real like, you know. Mid-80s trying to fend off the inevitable. I got a couple. The number one is Deb's boss saying that after a softball loss, he's going to go home and take some lithium. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And Alex Danny's side piece making a replicants reference. Yeah. Which would have just been like, this chick watches Blade Runner, I guess. Same. I got to be honest. I don't even really know what lithium is. I don't even know what that really means. Is it a pill? It's like an antidepressant. Like anti-anxiety medication. But I think it's the one they, it was like Wolf of Wall Street era. Okay. So it's like a modern Xanax or something? Yeah. But I think that they were cooking with a little bit more like industrial strength stuff back then. Alex, the ex-Alex, the fur coat also being like, I'm in the book. You know, look somebody up in the phone book if you want to find them. That's a real, we're not saying that anymore. I'm in the book. I'm in the book. She was gross. Yeah. I'm not a fan. The Floyd Gundyler. Butter on my ass, lollipops in my mouth, the word for something I just enjoy. What do you have? Themed dinner nights. Sandwich night sounds wonderful. I don't want, come on. This is, this sounds lovely. Could you fulfill your end of the two nights I cook, two nights he cooks bargain? No, of course not. Our version of this is tonight is DoorDash night. Tonight is Postmates night. Tonight is you put the order in. Tonight is I put the order in. But I think this idea. Do you think you're why Mark Walter had to sell the Lakers is because somehow. It's entirely possible. My relationship to, yeah, the e-delivery economy, it's entirely possible. You know, I just think that Joan responding to that, you know, I bet your sex life is a real thrill. When, when Debbie is describing that. So what do you do on sandwich day? Yeah, this is just goals to me. Like having that, that sure thing that you know you get to look forward to. Even a shared meal. Joan's. A theme night. Her, her stir fry that she makes that night. That scene is so funny. It's like a clear, like, kind of like at that time Weight Watchers kind of like. Yeah, it's like a lean cuisine. Yeah, here's a really good, like, chicken breast with some veggies. Just if you're watching your weight. And it's like, oh, God. And she's eating like one little fucking. This is just the greatest movie of all time. For months. He's like, we're, we have to be at this movie in 10 minutes. The performative, you know, it's like saying, do you want me to pick you up from the airport? Or like, can I help you move in? That's the way they ask if she wants to go to this movie. Yeah, do you want to come? Says yes. And then one. Yeah, just let me get ready. Just to fuck their night. So good. She's the best. What do you have? 80s Chicago movies. Just a movie in the 80s set in Chicago. I'm like. That was my backup choice. My choice is softball scenes in movies or TV shows. Yeah. Good one. Few good men. I could watch Cruising Grounders for an hour. I'm going to hang your boy from a fucking yardarm. Yeah. Curb your enthusiasm. Very important softball scene with Rosie O'Donnell. That whole episode. About last night. Cheers had a big softball. The battle against the other bar. And then. WKRP, which nobody listened to this watch. They had a radio station softball game, I remember. But in general, I'm always going to watch. It's great. It's like, oh, people are playing softball. I like to see how the actors throw. Sure. Like, you can't really fake softball hitting. Yeah. The pitcher, where they put the actors in the game is always interesting. Like, Danny being at second, I really like. Why is he not shortstop? I don't. Did they have somebody better? I got the impression that Danny was an emerging talent. 'Cause they're like, the second baseman has a great ass. - That's right, oh yeah. Like, a lot of, like, maybe he's new on the scene. This is a rookie season for him. I wonder if there's something about that heavier ball. Fewer people are pull hitters. More in-field dribblers going to second. Yeah. Throwing that out there. Do you think that Chicago style softball has been ruined by advanced analytics? And hedge funds. Are they doing shifts? What was that guy's field? Hedge funds, PCs, private equities, 16-inch softball. What's the exit velo on? On that ball. What's aged the best? They say the title multiple times. And guess what? Every single time, it's great. It totally works. Mentioned the rom-com structure. CR mentioned Chicago. We mentioned really great best friend relationships with loyalty, comedy, and sabotage and ball busting. Yep. Her saying to her boss, nah, I was kind of sleazy, and now it's over. Now it's kind of over. And now it's kind of over is a great breakup line. Yeah. I wrote down slutty hot Megan Mullally. No notes. That was in this category? No notes. Yep. Just keep her away. Keep your man away from her. I'm going to go home. Will you make sure Danny's all right at the bar? Yeah, I'll make sure. Someone put Mullally on a pitch count. I just can't believe it. I'd look all over the place for her talking about this. And the only thing I could find was her husband saying they'd both kissed Rob Lowe. Yeah. Because he kissed him. That's right. Great stuff. It's a subtle one, but Bernie, when Danny's really unraveling, he goes to the bar, and she ends up leaving, but they cut to Bernie, and Bernie's just like… Yeah. Like, I can't believe my friend's unraveling like this. Yeah. It's like the perfect expression. I have a couple more, but what do you have? The disastrous first Thanksgiving that you cook on your own. Man. And I got to say, on rewatch, it's the rewatchability of the montages. Because, like, you wouldn't really want to watch all those scenes, but you're just like, you know what? I know exactly where I am in this relationship now. This is an all-time montage movie. It's wonderful. I'm just going to throw out a kind of obvious one, but meeting people in real life? I think that's aged the best. This really ports you back to a moment in time, like pre-dating app era, you know? You go to the park, you go to the bar, you meet people. You could argue. Second Basement has a cute ass. I wonder whether people get to weed out getting Bernied. It's certainly, you are more informed in your choices now, and that's better, but there was something nostalgic about this. Like, oh, people just don't, people don't meet this way anymore. Where are you supposed to meet someone? There's also, like, a weird comfortability that in the 80s, like, Craig's got fucking tears in his eyes. Like, he's like watching The Natural. I knew that. This is your Citizen Kane. No, I was going to say, like, in the beginning of the movie, when Joan and Debbie are hanging out in their apartment, and Debbie's got, like, the hairy guy in the bedroom, just, like, being comfortable with that environment feels very old school to me. Like, that is not something now that, in my opinion, you would see, like, two girls being like, oh, yeah, some ugly dude's in the room. Like, I slept with him. He won't get up. He's pissed drunk, and they're just, like, laughing about it, joking around, checking on him in there. It just feels very intimate, and nowadays, nobody would do stuff like that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I think there's also just the kind of, like, attention to detail. For example, it's been 30 seconds since we talked about Bernie. Let's talk about Bernie. Let's talk about him again. On the roof scene that you mentioned, you know, when he, like, turns away from Danny, and you can see so clearly the outline of his wallet and his jeans. You're like, oh, this guy wears this pair of jeans every day. Like, just little things like that make it feel really lived in, and, like, authentically their life. When he helps them move, and he's got the leather jacket with the Blackhawks jersey underneath, I'm like, this guy. This guy wears this. Yeah. He's great. Sandwich night I had. I mean, no notes. Big Chicago. Big softball Chicago. And then just some Bernie lines. The thing about redheads, lack of pigmentation. An insane exchange. I once nailed two stewardesses at 4,700 feet. You know what? It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. Pull this leg, and it plays Jingle Bells. I've taken. Never call abroad more than once a week. Ever, ever, ever. You're as much fun as a stick. I'm surprised the guy didn't leave skid marks. And then, this is crass, but if she didn't have a pussy, there would be a bounty on her head. That was my flex. Directly to Joan. That was my book about medals. That is a crazy line. And that's not Mamet. That's them. That was elite stuff. I also quite like when he says, she looks very intellectual. I mean, that's not always a bad thing. It's incredible. The static electricity that's being caused is sending these little sparks right to my nuts. It's the best. Incredible stuff. The only other thing, I'm not positive this is true, but it was, it was in the research where Lowe said he improvised some of the fight scene stuff. And I Don't Love You Anymore wasn't in the script. Her reaction was genuine because she wasn't expecting him to say that. Interesting. And then it's like, did they have a little history? Yeah. Did that one hit a little closer to home? Not to Demi Moore's recollection. Yeah. So. She's like, Don Draper, I don't think about you at all. And he's like, this was the most. It is the difference. Men and women, women have a tendency to, well, I don't remember. It might have been once. Whereas, I think we would be like, it was seven times. If it was Demi Moore, I think I'd be seven times. I think it's more that. I think if you fucked Demi Moore, you'd remember. I'd write Lord of the Rings about it. I would just be like, here's the prequel. Man. Can't wait for Landman to come back, by the way. 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Here's the great shot, Gordo part. The camera is focused on the rubber duck in the corner of the tub. It's just an incredible little detail. Truly, Gordo. And it really pops. I would have been proud. Because it's a black tub. Gordo's like, thumbs up. So you see the yellow really shine there? It's great. Big Hoonah burger where best use of food or drink. It's got to be the double shots. Oh, man. I don't know. I have the Boilermakers that they have on New Year's Eve. Oh. That Belushi and Joan's boyfriend. Those are good, too. That's a good one. Yeah, Gary. Good old Gary. I think it's either the Joan leisurely eating the dinner that we already talked about or watching. There's obviously the Thanksgiving fight, but before that, when Danny's out and Debbie is like, basically just definitely giving them all salmonella, the way that she prepares this turkey, like, giant turkey that she's tapping with her bare hands in the sink and, like, her bathrobe sleeves are just all over it. I just think that that's, like, more like the Julia Child style. Like, we don't have to worry Everyone had diarrhea the next day. There's no question. It's the parasitic diarrhea era now, so they were just early, you know? They were early. Chess Rockwell, Brock Lander's best character name. It's got to be Bernie. Bernie Licko. Oh. Bernie Licko. Yo, Licko! I think it's Swallow if established. The endorsements are eligible instead of people because, in addition to it being, you know, it's the source of a lot of tension between Danny and his boss as they talk about the diner. It just doubles as a suck-and-swallow joke and does-she-give-head is a big part of the plot of this movie. So, throwing that out there. It crossed my mind as well. How could it not? Den of Thieves, Benihana, scene-stealing location. It's got to be Mothers. There's no question. This was one of the easiest picks for a category ever. but probably Mothers. Oh, the Steampaths are good. Yeah. A lot of wrinkly tush in that. We got for a Flex CR. I had It's a Book About Metals award for the belatedly best quarter exchange for You Know What, Joan? If You Didn't Have a Pussy, There'd Be a Bounty on Your Head. It's just fucking crazy. Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness award, best needle drop. Contentious. I can offer you five montage songs. Two by Sheena Easton. Yeah. So Far, So Good, and We Got a Natural Love. Yeah. Living Inside My Heart by Bob Seger. Till You Love Somebody by newcomer Michael Jackson. - Michael Henderson? - Yeah, that's good. Or If Anybody Had a Heart by John Waite, which is a remake of a Crosby, Stills, and Nash song. Five montages. What do you got, Ciara? Living Inside My Heart. Okay. Yeah, I think probably. I think so. A little bit of Bruce Hornsby vibes to that one. I like that. What was your favorite? I think, is that the first big montage song? It's the montage when she's doing the fitted sheet. That's so far so good. And he's making the pasta sauce. It's great. I think what's key about the montage choices is they each describe the part of the movie we're in. So far so good. Yeah. We got a natural love. Yeah. Living Inside My Heart now. You don't know what it's like till you love somebody. It's all right there. It's all right there for us. And then If Anybody Had a Heart. Yeah. We're just there all the way through. The Sean Penn I Brought My Own Pack Award for Excellence in On-Screen Smoking. A lot of candidates here. It's down to Belushi and Rob Lowe. Who do you have? I got Rob Lowe in the breakup scene. Just the cigarette. Like dangling there. Feels like he's going to set the apartment on fire. He's just callous disregard. He's a pro. Let him work. Would have been payoff if he had for the Chekhov's fire setup from the prior story that Fernie told, you know? Butch's Girlfriend Award for a weak link of the film. Joan with the married guy. Gary, yeah. He's married, but he's with her on New Year's Eve. But then he tells her on New Year's Eve, I'm married. It's a little iffy. Yeah. I had the New Year's Eve part. As a picking Nick, because if you're specifically trying to get back your marriage back together, you're not with your mistress on New Year's Eve. I don't think. And she's not going to know it's she's the mistress. Like Joan's pretty smart. She is. I don't know. I had the Swallow City Diner plotline, which I think is largely there to give Danny some kind of redemption slash like future outside of his relationship with Deb. He just wants his own joint. Just a touch of substance. Bullshit that like Flavia would let him or whatever that guy's name is. Flavia would let him go ahead and not close that place down like the three times he ignores him. Yeah. And then did Danny get a loan? Like how did that go? I had all this in nitpicks. It's easy. You just get a loan from the bank. Yeah. And then he immediately goes in. And he's charging $5 for a burger when you can get a burger for a buck 90 down the street. Down the street. Yeah. I thought the burger price was alarmingly high. Adjusted for inflation. That's a $15 burger. $4.95 was no burger in 1986. That's a lot. In and out right now is like a $5 burger. Yeah. And it's like… It's not fine dining, right? He's doing like a… He's doing the diner's episode of Poppin' Milk Shake. Yeah, but he's doing that thing where it's like… It's a diner but like I have to charge a lot because I've put so much money in the place. Interesting. I do like the one… The redeeming quality inside of the Swallow City Diner plot is just the detail of the menus being the same color as the sign she made him. The pink and green. That's right. Delightful. Little touch there. Lovely. What's aged the worst? Did you have a Wicca slink or… No. Nothing we haven't already talked about. He's also too handsome. I just think he gets another girlfriend. I mean, he does. They just don't move. He has no problem finding people to fuck. That's not an issue for him. Debbie's clothes are just an atrocity. But it's very 80s. But man, there's one scene when you see her whole closet and my wife… Every time my wife's like, Oh! Oofta! Yeah. Just some of the worst blouses and dresses. I do have a note about a particular outfit coming up though. Okay. I think the… I think the men's fashion is particularly bad in the movie. There's the… When all of the female friends are on their like lawn blanket watching the initial softball game, for a second you think that the fashion's gonna be iconic. Like the sweater… Yeah. Joan is basically dressed like CR in that scene and that's a compliment, right? She's pulling off like a rugby shirt, sweater. It looks great. And then it's kind of all downhill from there on the fashion front. My mom who really loves this movie. Yeah. It's one of her all-time favorites. And she thinks Debbie's overall is in the last scene. Oh, I love the overalls. She thinks Demi Moore would have all copies of this movie destroyed for the last scene. No, overalls are timeless. I don't agree. She hates it. There's no way. Plus the outfit, like she's wearing stuff under the overalls. It seems heavy. Yeah. But it's like June. Well, I think we get into some weird like timeline stuff here. And the leaves are on the ground for some reason. That's right. Ruffalo, Hannah Rubin, I partridge over acting where Danny's boss… It's a bird! It's a loser bird! I had him for Dion Waiters, but obviously he's definitely overacting. What about Gus from The Diner? You're cutting my throat! Can't you give me a break, Danny? All right, it's time. Don't do this to me. Put your seatbelts on. I'll even put my seatbelt on, CR. I can push the microphone away. We have a special sex section for Mallory Rubin. Wow. She has to get a flex. Oh, man. First one is, the Mallory Rubin Award, did this movie need a better sex scene? Okay. Since we have multiple sex-specific categories in a row, I'll try to keep it quick. You know, as Joan says, you just need, like, ten minutes. Okay. I think there are three candidates for this category. One specifically is oral sex because does she give head, again, is, like, a crucial question in the movie. Never answered. No, we have a little bit in the Seeger montage. There's one of the glimpses of them passionately making love to each other. Debbie is on her stomach, and there's that little moment where Danny, Danny is, like, kissing and rubbing her back and moving down toward her ass, but then we cut away. And then, of course, crucially in the breakup scene. This is canon. This is in the movie. Fine. I'm gone. It's done. You can go back to doing whatever you want to do with whoever you want to do it with in whatever orifice you want to do it in. Interesting. So, is Danny saying to Debbie, like, why aren't you sucking my dick more? Or is he like, can I put it in your ass? One of those things has, So, I never caught that until I had the subtitles on for this. I always thought she said whatever office you want to do it in. Orifice. It's orifice. It sure is, folks. It sure is. Next, masturbation. Wait, what category is this? Did this movie need a better sex scene? So, we needed some oral sex. So, you're having subcategories of this question. There are some contenders. Let me try to interpret this. You're saying the movie needed more sex. Well, I think it's a great sex scene movie. But there was opportunity for even more. And one of them was with your orifice. Next, masturbation. Exactly. And I think this is a real opportunity here to get Bernie involved. Because, on the move-in day. Is there? Yes, on the move-in day. So, Debbie finds a stack. I freeze-framed. It's not like the 4K era of Playboys. You count at least a dozen there. So, Bernie takes one. He swipes one. We know that Bernie is going in and out of the U-Haul. Just a little bit. A little quick crank from Bernie. I think would have been very much at home in this movie. Okay. Crank daddy. But that brings us to the real. Oh, and also, I think we could have gotten a Debbie masturbation scene. And I think we nearly did in the Seeger montage that we all love so much. A couple things. The spreading out the sheets. She's basically masturbating when she's doing that. And then she's putting the perfume on. She just wants to rub one out. Why didn't she? Next, Bernie and Joan. Okay. They have incredible chemistry together. It's undeniable. It's a fact. It's a fact. They're finally alone together. And it is about just them. Even though, of course, Danny and Debbie are present in absentia. Because they're talking about them. This is the pussy bounty hunter scene. You want to leave my bone out of this? You're a filthy scumbag. The flirtation. And then he says, so you want to dance or what? And she's very like real sexy putting the piece of popcorn into her mouth. And kind of raising her eyes up at him. I think definitely they fuck here. For sure they fuck. I don't even think it's a question. But my question is, because then we see them later at the park at the hot dog cart. And he's like, oh, give me more. Give me more. I want another taste. And she's like, fuck off. Why didn't we see the sex scene? They're at Mother's where we know, canonically, the bathroom door locks. Because when Joan is having her meltdown at New Year's and Debbie goes into the bathroom to comfort her, they lock the door. And someone else is like, I'm going to piss my pants. It's New Year's Eve. Let me in. We as moviegoers did not deserve the quick cut to Joan and Bernie. Are you fucking on that broken toilet seat in the mother's bathroom? Come on. It definitely, like, something breaks in the bathroom. For a long time, I had thought that Bernie was the person in Joan's bedroom. Me too. At the beginning. Yeah. I think they set you up to think that. And they're, like, quietly hooking up the whole time, off and on. Yeah. That would have been great. The Steven Seagal Hard to Kill Award for Did This Movie Need a Better Intimacy Coordinator. I mean, it's possible this podcast needs a better intimacy coordinator. I think you're bringing yourself quite well. Thanks. I don't know if you guys speculated about anal sex in this movie. Hang with me for this next one. When there's some visible ball. Some visible bouncing ball. I was going to say, now that the TV's and the HD has gotten better, like. Yes. He's definitely Billy Bob monster balling his ball. He's monster balling it. One of the montages when they're in bed a lot and she. I didn't see any ball. Oh, okay. Oh, it's. Oh. Yeah. Do you want to see now? I actually think, it made me wonder if they were actually. This is why I think it's eligible for the ANL. Intimacy coordinator. Because you think they were really. When she gets on top of him. Yes, exactly. She, they roll over. She's on top. And as she is moving up and down, you can see a little, a little ball kind of popping. I think Estevez, they do the screening for the movie. And Estevez is engaged with her. I think he's out of the theater. Well, he cheated on her, but. Yeah. Yeah. I think he sees that scene. He's like, I'll see you in the car. Yeah. Now you're wearing a cock sock or something, but he was, he was not in that scene. I like Chris defending Demi Moore in 1980. I read a whole article today where she was like. - We sent out invitations and then my friend was like, with a gal in L.A. Incredible stuff. I just think all bets were off in the 80s. Of course. What a decade. How could you have sex with Rob Lowe and be like, I think I did that? You know, like, yeah. I think I met it on it once. All right, so we say yes on an MSC coordinator. Sure. He got Game Hooker seen to work for most awkward if someone walks in the room. I thought this was really easy. To me, this is the montage we've talked about so much. This is the Seeger montage stretch because it is a tonally confusing mashup. So somebody walks in and they see, oh, we're making a bed or we're making pasta and they think they've walked into a Hallmark movie and then, to me, more is curving her spine at an impossible angle, nipples front and center as they're fucking for the next five minutes. So the fact that you're cutting back and forth and someone would actually feel invited into the room, oh, what an interesting little domestic story about how to prepare a meal together. Keep it home. No. Yeah. Definitely on the airplane. If Craig could watch this on an airplane, he'd be like, oh, I should be all right with about last night. And then it's Cinemax before you know it. I watch poor things on an airplane. You know, it's tough. There's some great oral sex scenes in that movie. I remember them well. The Phoebe Cates Award for Excellence in Putting Teens to Their Puberty, I think same scene. Well, there's so much nipple in the movie. The beanbag ass play, ass crack into the fucking in the bathtub shower nipple glimpse is great. The Seeger montage stretch, you get the visible nipple during the floor sex. You get tits on full display in the back arch. Nipples in the kitchen, you look so great in that light. But we're not here to just objectify women. You can see Rob Lowe's dick in that scene. When they walk into the kitchen and he opens the refrigerator. This is like what it must be like to podcast with Jim Garrison. I saw it. She's just like back You can see his dick in the glow of the fridge. I saw Chase Daniel on NFL Live yesterday and this is exactly the same. She's seeing too high. She's going to go into like When they go 12. So was it side dick or dick dick? It's side dick. It's side dick in the glow of the fridge. It's wonderful. When do you think they got more careful about that in movies? The 90s? I don't think they knew the pictures were going to be this good. I think everything was super blurry back then. Well, you boot that up now on your streamer on your 75 inch TV and you're richly rewarded. Yeah. I think by the time we got to a movie, we got to wild things when Kevin Bacon half fluffed himself to get ready for coming out of the shower. Is that apocryphal or is that real? Bill is convinced. No, that was a big argument. Bill is convinced. I'm convinced. I think there was some fluffing. Well, good news. We have another award for the Mallory category. The special subsection. The Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Let's hear it. This comes from Ed Zwick's book which I bought on Apple Books yesterday. Oh, wow. Excited. Okay. He was talking about how they filmed the sex scenes. And he said they do them from eight hours and it's like way technical and everybody agrees that the least erotic experience you can have. You got creepy crew guys staring at you. Zwick said, it all went well until an especially passionate and athletic moment when Rob began to groan quite loudly as they pretended to make love. Everyone looked away embarrassed trying to act like it wasn't happening until we realized that Rob had torn his ACL. Wait. Pro that he is Rob kept acting until I said cut. The show as they say had to go on. Okay. That's not where I thought that was going. Rob never mentioned this again. It was not in his book. I tore my ACL during an about last night sex scene. Holy shit. How do you tear your ACL? Was he on top? Getting into the tub? Maybe it was the shower scene? Yeah, because that's a tricky position. He's got an angle there. He's really bent. I wonder if he really did it. Like he fucked his knee up playing softball. Yeah. And then blew it out. Aggravated the injury. That's blue. Speaking of, speaking of blew it out, I thought that's where that anecdote was going. I thought you were going to say and then he came. So as I was reading it, I thought that's where it was going. Like, oh my God, he fucking shot one? No. He hurt his ACL. Incredible. That's unbelievable. That's true. That's like, you know, And that is the most Seagal who knows Holy shit. anecdote in a while. Oh God. Okay. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford had a stake award. I alluded to this earlier, but this is everything that we have lost in romantic comedy is where like now it's like the purge, but a romantic comedy or like two people who hate each other on a travel influencer wedding trip. But, you know, it's like, just give me a story of a relationship. That's really all I want. Not even that hot of a take. It's a good take. It's a strong take. But like, I think, I think it's really starts to change around like wedding crashers, for instance, where it's like, ooh, like, like what if these guys crashed weddings and it's like everything has to have a what if instead of just, no, they're These people want to fuck and then they don't for a little while and then they do again. Mine was, I think she should have been more of an inspiration for other actresses. Really going for it in this movie all over the place. Right. People don't have sex scenes in rom-coms really ever. They're usually these PG or PG-13 vehicles to accentuate some. Demi Moore is like, I'm just going for it this whole movie. Jennifer Lawrence did that in the movie that came out two years ago where she got naked for one of the scenes. But just in general. Is that the one where she's with the kid? No hard feelings. No hard feelings. In general though, everybody's so careful when they do these rom-coms now. I appreciated that somebody was like, fuck it. Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I'll do this. I don't care. Rob Lowe's like, I'll show some side dick. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Let's bring those days back. What do you got? I don't know if this is a hot take, but I'm not rooting for Danny and Debbie. Very interesting. I'm not rooting for them and I don't want them to get together at the end of the movie. So why do you feel like because you want something different for one of the characters particularly or you just don't think they're a good couple? I think that Danny is incredibly hot and has almost no other redeeming qualities. And I don't understand why other than the fact that he is incredibly hot, Debbie would want to be with him. Doesn't make sense to me. I think that's the only reason. What are his hobbies? He's like, big Cubs game tonight. Like, we don't even know this. He's a Chicago guy who likes Chicago sports teams. Yes. Is playing an outdated, outmoded style of softball. He doesn't have a college education and is selling like restaurant supplies. Yeah. And he's probably got like an 8% loan rate on whatever he went into with the city diner. It'd be funny if he was just like randomly like he's a huge Salinger guy. I mean. It's like not just Catcher in the Rye is other stuff. Can you imagine? Nine stories, yeah. When he's like, you know, it's what it is. No more, no less. I'm like, exactly. And that is what it should have remained. Like this is a phase you work through. Do you know what Rob Lone looks like now? And that he has not lost a lot of miles per hour. Sure. Like, would you say that still? Hmm. Interesting question. I think Debbie was rewarded for. He wasn't going to lose his hair. Wasn't going to like get big, you know? Yeah. I mean, it's a great counterpoint. Yeah. He's still, he's thriving. Casting what ifs. According to the Big Bad Book of Bill Murray in 2015, Bill Murray and Nick Nolte were attached but then had an argument when they met together and both back. Both backed out. It feels like a real like let's do the play in the movie for Nolte to do it. With those two in the mid-80s, this movie does not work. Very different. Bill Murray and Demi Moore hooking up. I don't know if it was going to be Demi Moore. Different vibe. Yeah, they would have probably had to go older. In the Zwick book, he said Jonathan Demme was attached to direct and then had to back out because he was doing another one. That would have been good. Yeah. Really good. Rob Lone said he'd screen tested with Melissa Leo and Meryl Hemingway and were both in serious contention that Demi got the part. There is another rumor for Demi, though. Yeah. It's pretty important to talk about. I didn't know if I believed it, but go ahead. Phoebe Cates. I mean, Jesus Christ. We would have had. You wouldn't have. There's no way. There's no thumbs up from the stretcher for you. That's a wrap. That's a flat line for you. Yeah. It's a DeMar Hamlin situation. I'm not here right now. Did he make it or not? I'm not here. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Pause the movie for a second. For an hour. We've got to figure this out. They're crying in the set of ESPN. Yeah. Joey Pantleware, best that guy. The Diner Runner, I don't even know what that guy's name is. Danny's boss, George DeCenzo. Yeah. He's been in a whole bunch of stuff and played Bugliosi in the Helter Skelter movie. But I think the winner is Demi Moore's boss. Robin Thomas. Who was the bad guy in summer school. Yeah. And he's one of those guys. Do you know who that guy is? Yeah, he's one of those guys. Dion Waiters, Lady. Obviously. We know who's winning this. Shout out to the married lady. I'm looking at the gun. It says 105. Whoa, 106. Oh, man. Recasting Couch Director City. I wouldn't touch anything. Not even a token could we do this in Boston from you? No. Okay. I wouldn't touch it. Interesting. Might have given the Debbie like one more friend. Yeah. For the four. I don't think. Can I just say because I didn't know where to put this in terms of Dion. And I honestly couldn't spot her. But Catherine Keener is apparently in this movie. It's like a waitress. Yeah, I couldn't see her there. Is she at Mother's? Like I couldn't. Yeah. I couldn't spot her. I was too busy looking at Rob Lowe's side dick in the glow of the fridge light. I'm not asking you anymore. You really rose to the occasion. No pun intended. Craig, you have a flex. Oh, man. Can I go hottest take? Yeah. All respects to John Belushi, but Jim Belushi is funnier than John Belushi's ever been in a movie in this movie. That's finally a good hottest take on this podcast. It's been a couple of episodes where we've been kind of like. we're kind of gamey it's late summer nobody's really blowing any doors off and then this fucking kid unbelievable stuff just a kid from San Diego definition of Ohio State can I ask Craig a question while we're here so there's a line in this movie there's a moment Joan is a teacher she's a teacher of young children Mulder of Mines and while Joan is distracted on a call eating her lunch talking about fucking dudes one of her students comes up to her and is like pisses herself and Joan says to her everybody wets their pants nobody has to know as the member of The Ringer who has most recently talked on a podcast publicly about pissing your pants I was wondering if you had anything to say about this well if you did listen to the episode you would know that I did piss my pants as a stunt double sure yeah or Fred Armisen in the show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt where I had to wear a P-rig as a PA on set to test out the P-rig because Fred Armisen and I had the same waist size so I had to test out P-rigs this is my favorite story I wonder if this guy John Hamm was there watching me pee my pants at 22 years old in New York did he think it was funny or was he just like he seemed unbothered yeah I'm sure on Mad Men he saw worse yes do you want to embellish at all about the Belushi thing because the thing I love about this take is you're almost like I'm coming at this from I'm not I didn't grow up with John Belushi I wasn't watching John Belushi on the weekends Blues Brothers is not a big thing for me so you're just going pure I'm not yeah I'm not saying John is ever bad in a movie like but if you if he's always a 9 out of 10 I think this is a 10 out of 10 for his brothers literally take the name off the back of the jersey and tell me who's funnier John has like obviously a style about him that's very unique but just kind of from like an acting delivery standpoint like this is better in my opinion interesting John never did a movie like this where he had to carry as much as Jim carries in this movie but you could argue the Animal House performance was as funny just in a child it's the most unique you couldn't replace that Animal House I also watched I like the take I don't know why but I watched I watched According to Jim like a decent amount of it I was just gonna ask if you were a big According to Jim head because it feels like to Chris's point of you coming at this from a different moment in time like it maybe influenced your I don't even think I've ever what other movies is he in Jim Belushi Red Heat Red Heat yeah I don't think I've seen him in a movie or anything except According to Jim Real Men with John Ritter I mean he did a bunch of 80s movies and then he was in Sixth Sense I was a pleasure to have him on the BS Podcast I feel like he's great I think he actually was a pretty big deal I don't know how long According to Jim was on it was like 8, 9 seasons long time he was just raking in money on that show yeah when you get to like year 6 of those shows they're just whipping money and the show is named after you and like yeah but do you think the peeing the pants was inauthentic it didn't look real what's your qualm I just wanted you're a piss in your pants expert so I thought you needed to comment you know as usual I had some hygiene questions about just like wiping it up with a sandwich wrapper and then not washing your hands that's probably complicated to do that probably maybe it was maybe it was real maybe it wasn't a pee rig mine was mine was real I did all my half ass I know it was it's that the big half ass thing is the dating history of Demi Moore and Rob Lowe what's true and not true which it just sounds like neither of them even know at this point 40 years later Apex Mountain Rob Lowe I think so I'm gonna say yeah well this moment in time I would probably say West Wing is this West like peak West Wing is this when did Rob Lowe have the most juice because when Rob Lowe left West Wing that was a massive deal but he wasn't the star of West Wing yeah he was one of the people on it but he wasn't the star this was like he's still toe to toe with Cruise in the mid 80s I would say it's right around here interesting Demi Moore no certainly not Landman season 2 Jim Belushi probably season 6 of According to Jim yeah break up scenes what's the best break up scene ever well I don't know well a break up that sticks or just a just a knock down drag out this is a devastating five minute break up I actually think Before Midnight that's what I was gonna say Before Midnight is definitely the answer that's the one that you won't even like touch cause it's too yeah I don't know I don't even wanna watch that movie again as you know I think it's the best of the three that's probably the answer Elizabeth Perkins I think it's probably big and after yeah New Year's Eve rom-com scenes hmm lot of interesting from here including When Harry Met Sally right do you want to do you want to spend the rest of your life with someone do you want the rest of life you start soon as possible isn't that the climax of When Harry I think that's the edge that has the edge that's it yeah rom-coms no absolutely not bars and movies talked about this earlier it's way up there I just want a quiet old fashioned at the Continental I don't know that's what I'm looking for at the Continental from John Wick yeah what's the bar in Thief Greenies or something like that that's this should just be a special rewatch of this episode of bars we count down our 12 best bars ever in a movie I mean you could do that as a recurring series you could do the full definitive house list the bars all of it that'd be great Chicago softball definitely Chicago movies no Chicago period I think yes 86 right after the 85 Bears Jordan's there they're filming movies they're left and right yeah that's fucking amazing Cruise or Hanks Cruise Cruise would be a great Danny I think great Cruise would be good yeah was there a better title for this movie I like I like sexual perversity in Chicago but I don't really find this movie that perverse so yeah I like About Less About Less that's really good and I like the ellipsis the Billy Bats Jack Waltz award for most biting and scalable insult was your hottest take what's my hottest take I mean not your hottest take your flex your flex yes the new category of the Mila Kunis forgetting Sarah Marshall award for is this the hottest anyone this person has ever been in a movie oh man you can answer for Rob Lowe oh god I don't think so just because 80s hair is not my personal vibe so and I as you know prefer an older man okay so you go I just would prefer him in like West Wing or Parks and Rec as he aged in a very refined fashion for Rob Lowe and what's the Demi Moore answer could basically change for any movie I was gonna say I mean I'm going G.I. Jane I'm going Substance Indecent Proposal I think it's Indecent Proposal yeah that's real that's tough to talk what year is that 93 92 93 93 that's electric great stuff by her when is Disclosure we did oh Disclosure she looks great too that's that's like two years after yeah it's early 90s kind of quietly done a lot of Demi Moore movies yeah no surprise she's racked up a lot we did About Last Night Ghost Ghost Cinema and Almost Fire Disclosure Few Good Men yeah we did Indecent Proposal Indecent Proposal that's seven pretty good Margin Call she's in that oh yeah eight wow she's moving up the rankings Jesus Picky Knits Debbie's friend hitting on Danny has never sat right with me no there's a couple of friend fouls in here that I think would have caused some more three years Eve you're not doing that I believe Pat would do it the Picky Knit to me is that Debbie still hangs out with her after that yeah that's crazy like she saw she saw this right so wouldn't she get mad at Pat yeah exactly the fact that they're just hanging out after is like nuts the movie can't decide if they're friends or not I have a movie breaking Picky Knit oh boy this time around and just in general no I don't care if Fabio has had me execute Gus in front of his family and then as I come home I find out that the Chicago Firefighter has broken out again if I walk in my apartment and Demi Moore is painting it without a bra on you're gonna fuck I'm happy about my life you're gonna have to you're gonna have a conversation him coming home and she's wearing fucking like what is it like a tank top with no bra and overalls and is like hey Danny and he's just like just looking at the paint on the palm of his hand this fucking old ball and chain here busting my chops painting the house it's like are you there's maybe no one's ever looked hotter for like 12 seconds right there it's like the other guys the old ball chain oh my god it's nuts that he's like that's what you're wearing that's a great one Chris great one great one really good Sierra the breakup seems incredible but the she turns the lights on and then at the end the lights are off again yeah there's some continuity you can't is it just cause they're zoomed out no it gets dark again and then lost the thread there Dan having the money to reopen the diner yeah I didn't even know in 80's 86 before the first crash I don't know if you're just like yeah got a hundred grand here open a diner Dan doesn't have a fucking hundred grand he's like 22 the bank's like here I know god I I think the way that this guy who is canonically established is 24 years old talks about his career is definitely in the picking this category yeah honey it's what I do I've spent my life stuffing more unneeded restaurant supplies on the shelves of more unneeded restaurants than any other salesman in Chicago yeah he's like 23 what is he talking about this is insane for Debbie if you don't want your Girl Scouts hope chest his with the heart stitched all around it little like homemade bandana cloth to be used to wipe up tea don't keep it in a basket on the kitchen table you're really team Danny aren't you you put that in your top shelf I'm team neither she really thinks Debbie's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs she's a loon she's an absolute - Absolutely. - That's crazy. I think she's literally perfect. - Yeah. I loved it too. I thought she was a home run. She seems awesome. She seems like she'd be like, what do you want to watch? I think that Danny is a nothing. Debbie is a winner, but with like a tendency to just fall into these fits of hysterics that feels like an intentional choice. I think there's also like a little bit of like, when Debbie first starts dating Danny, he's like, hey, I got this secret place to watch the Cubs games. It's like, cool. But then when you move in and it's like, so you like every single piece of clothing you have is Bears, Blackhawks, or Cubs. Like, what are we doing here? Great. That's like my wardrobe. Yeah. I have a couple of small pick and knits. I would have loved to have seen some of the basketball game with Danny. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Did Bernie play? Like, just what were the dynamics? Was Danny a point guard, shooting guard? I just had a lot of questions. Yeah. He's a two guard for sure. He feels very Maravich-y to me. Incredible. Debbie's boss, like, by the way, definitely would have been hooking up with the, that's not a pick and knit. He was so kind of skeevy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one didn't add up to me. He's not even making like a, he's like very openly like pursuing her, dating her, like checking in on her. He's like turning the lights off at the holiday party, pinning her against the copy machine and she's like, I don't want this. Cameo from Willie Galt at that holiday party. Yeah. That's right. That's right. I don't see Deb going for him. Not our Deb. Sequel, prequel, prestige, she'd be all black cast or untouchable. This happened. Yeah. They sequeled it in 2014. They did the all black cast. Yeah. And Lowe's said that there was various efforts to make a Danny and Debbie check-in movie at various points. So if they did that, it's probably after he has juice from the West Wing and she's just starting to date Ashton Kutcher trying to kind of reinvent herself a little bit. Maybe it's like a 15 years later. But what's the plot of that movie that makes sense to you and feels worthwhile? There is one. That's why it didn't happen. What if they're divorced but they have a kid and so they have to see each other at some of the like, oh, who's picking up? At 16-inch kids' softball games? Exactly. It's your day to pick up for, oh, across the way, you brought the orange slices today and then they fall back into it. I mean, I can be convinced. I would watch that. Bernie's dead. I had a question about that. Out of a heart attack. For sure, Bernie's dead. There's no question about it. This was unanswerable questions, but do you think Bernie made it to the Cubs World Series? 2016? There's no chance. There's no chance. They had his picture up. Bernie got his head caved in at Mother's one night. By talking shit to somebody's girlfriend and somebody caved his head in. I forgot another picky nit is that nobody mentions MJ in this movie. That's weird. They kind of slowed him in or we could have seen Jersey or something. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted Levine, or someone else? Ladies and gentlemen, my friend Bernard Litko does not feel well, obviously. So if you just. If you just go on with your dessert and coffee, I'll be right back. Amazing. Chicago, get a little Dr. Charles Nichols in there. Maybe while Bernie's like mid-flak jacket story. That's a fantastic pick. Wonderful. I thought you might give us a little Wayne Jenkins, but he's actually Mikey from The Bear. Oh, yeah. Because it would be Chicago. I thought you might have done that, but no. Mikey from The Bear would have been a good one. I was going to do a Ryan Rucco, but I'm not going to do it. Something tied in with the sex scene. Now Demi's on top. Got it! She's famous! Street number one! Bang! Now she's going to ride him, you bet! Just want to ask her who gets it. I go Demi, you go Perkins. Perkins. Perkins. What's for breakfast? Egg McMuffin, Corner of Broadway and Belmont. That's the best. That's the best. What happened the next day? Did they get married? I didn't have that. I had City Diner goes out of business. Mr. Favio sticks the Chicago mob on Danny and Lidco for stealing restaurant supplies. Oh, I like it. I had the ex. That's about last night, too. Alex, she of the fur coat, who we fucked at the motel, calls and is like, Pregnant. I gave you chlamydia. Oh, I thought you were going to say something worse. What was 1986? I gave you chlamydia or gonorrhea or genital warts. Something. You know, paying off the prophecy. Of Joan saying, I think he's going to get a disease. Oh. Oh, right. This guy's fucking his way around town. And then they break up again. Unanswerable. Were Bernie's stories real? No. No, of course not. Of course not. Did we ever see Bernie go home with a girl? Yeah. Other than Joan? I don't know. Sadly, didn't get to see that either. It's just inferred. My unanswerable was, are all four of these characters from Chicago or the surrounding area? Oh, interesting. I think Bernie and Danny are Do you think Deb? Joan's from like Winneka? Yeah. I mean, I guess in this era, people were a little bit more regional, right? Like you wouldn't. Who's most likely to be from the John Hughes town? Oh, Deb. Deb, for sure. Deb. I think Debbie came to Chicago for college and stayed. Like went to art school or whatever? Yeah. She was wearing a Northwestern sweatshirt at some point, but yeah, she's doing the advertising agency art stuff. She stayed. She's not, I don't think, I don't think she grew up here, but I agree with you. Like Bernie is of the city. But I think that Joan and Deb, Deb met like on a roommate's thing. Yeah. Were they in college? College or after college. We know they didn't know each other before then because of the high school conversations. So they didn't grow up together. Because she also says we've been friends a long time. I would say like high school friends. Everyone in the movie talks like they're 57. Yeah. And they're not. Memorabilia you'd most want from the movie. Give me anything Mother's Malone. It's got to be the, I think the mother's softball jersey. T-shirt, hat. Yeah. I'll take anything. Whatever's available. Not the Jordans? Well, those would be, I mean, that would be. So Rottlo had kept the Jordans from about last night, which are the most expensive edition of those Jordans. That's like an impossible shoe. That would be a great one to have. Have they reissued them though? Oh, well, yeah. They put out the breads pretty regularly, but like the actual, the band from 84, that's an iconic piece of sneaker history. What is the band? Well, the band, the story around like, oh, the colorway, right? It's banned. Can't wear them. He's going to get fined every time he wears them. He wears them. So there's the bread, the bread, the bread toe. But then banned is a subset of that. Gotcha. I think. This is my own. Sorry to all the sneaker heads out there from getting this wrong. The Jordans would be a great, that would be like an investment. Jordans are good. Mother's Malone is probably a little more serviceable. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, were best worst life lesson? I think don't ever lose your sense of humor, Dan. That's a good one. That's a good one. I like it. Yeah. Double feature? Did you go Chicago? I mean, I think if you wanted to watch more Demi and Rob, I would just watch St. Elmo's Fire. That was my pick too. Yeah. Especially because they're so proximate to each other in time. Who won the movie? Belushi. Belushi. I think it's true. I think it is true. There's no question. I have Demi. Of course you do. Okay. Of course I do. Who won the movie? Demi. Let's hear it, Craig. You didn't see this movie. Did you love it? I loved it. Five star classic. It's like all you want from the movie. All I want from the movie. Oh my God. Did you watch it with Liz or Solo? Liz was at dinner, so I watched it solo. I almost did the okay motherfucker award for like when the sex montage begins. Yeah. I was kind of laying on my side. I actively kind of sat up. Yeah, yeah. All right, this is what we're doing now. I bet. It's actually bizarre. The nudity in this movie is astonishing. Yeah. Like it is just so not what they would do now. The fact that these actors were 21 years old and they're like, we're going to do real intense passionate love making. That's crazy. Full nude. Multiple times throughout the movie. Multiple times. I guess it helps the story. Probably not super necessary to do it as much as they did. You might need a little bit of it. Disagree. I actually thought it did help the story. It does. It's like makes it centered around the fact that like the only thing they are good with together is like having sex. You have to believe that they love having sex with each other. Sure, sure, sure. There's no other reason for them to want to be around each other. The way it's filmed even is like soft core porn. Like it's like it's like Skinamax. It's like a very No question. Yeah, you know like the way it's made is very specific. Yes. Yeah, they went 4 for 4 on the casting. Like the Chicago of it all. I loved every bit of it. It was great. I'm so not surprised. I'm pleased. I feel seen. I do think I thought the only weird part of the movie was like they're just too young. I think like it all works. I think that there was a little bit of like They're 27. I feel like the problems make more sense. In the 80s I think there was less Yeah, just use your 20s to figure out who you are. I think it was a little bit more like go to college, get a job and then get Yeah, I didn't quite buy the like they're 23 or whatever they move in and they feel like they can't go out on New Year's Eve because they have to make dinner and celebrate alone. And one of them's like I'm not thinking about marriage and the other one's like I want to have 10 kids. I think this is like Why do you have to host Thanksgiving? Do you not have families? Like where You're both right. I think this feels weird now and I think you're right that it feels weird because it's 2026 and that it wouldn't have felt weird. By the way, that's your answer for where are they from? Oh, they must not be from Chicago. There's no family. That's right. They mentioned their family for Thanksgiving. When you're 23 or whatever you go home. Then how does Danny wind up in the restaurant supply business Maybe it's just a big show of like we're doing our first independent thing. There's like a 23 year old being like I put pecans in the dressing. I'm like this is not If it was a movie about the crisis of like turning 30 maybe this plays better. They just all felt a little young. I agree with you. I do think that was the era a little bit though where some people just didn't go to college. Yeah. And they started working when they were 18 and then they were 23. No, I just mean like but Danny's mom would probably be like you can come home and do your laundry every weekend if you want to. with that said if the family's in there we don't get the Thanksgiving scene of just the four of them we get like an annoying odd and we're the poorer for it yeah I also really like the ending great detail that like they're all like we're gonna go to like a bar after Thanksgiving dinner you know yeah so you like the ending I thought the ending was really sweet and honestly kind of realistic I when you're like in your early 20s and everyone's doing the breakup get back together thing I actually think the way it plays out at the end of the movie would happen in real life where like they have a horrible breakup and like three months later they're like should we try it again like yeah fuck it yeah that's real you know who never had a horrible breakup Craig and Liz just unassailable love from day one yeah Owen Strong Hitler Streaker I knew immediately as soon as as soon as they started dating I was like that's a wrap by the way first ringer wedding Gahow slacked me during this the ringer has a soccer team we should we can go to those games this is bullshit really nice what are you talking about you didn't know that no the ringer has a soccer team Gahow I think Jomie's on it people play maybe Kai what's happening there's a soccer team there's a league that ringer staffers play in I thought that we used to have guys who played soccer I would 100% go to a ringer soccer game well it exists ask them where it is where do they play they play at Heroin Needle Park yeah that sounds great he's typing Gahow's typing okay we play at John Ferraro they play at Fentonville Field I don't know where John Ferraro is John Ferraro ringer soccer I'm 1000% going to a ringer soccer game he said it's off the five can Zoe Simmons play a guest game on the ringer soccer team I think it's co-ed I bet it's yeah I'm looking at this park now it looks lovely yeah we used to play in a basketball league back in the days with like Richie and Micah yeah didn't somebody blow their Achilles out during that though I think everybody was afraid they were going to because Heifetz was chasing them down oh because Heifetz is all that was when the legend of Heifetz really started he was like Ronnie Lott yeah he was like Ron Artest crossed with football safety like people actively didn't want him to play yeah you would like if it was him coming down like the barrel on a fast break at you like you bail out of the lane I feel like I've watched Heifetz's entire life happen we have like he's gone from being like this overzealous kid to being like Fridge Ham think about it B-Cham B-Cham right he's 62 now I think B-Cham is inspired I side with Heifetz B-Cham is disgusting and he'll probably die soon of like a fantasy football commissioner related he talks about his like his wide wide shoes that he has to wear because of his feet he's the best the Brooks the Brooks fives yeah quirky ringer soccer team maybe we should start a 16 inch softball team yeah why not we should why not I mean there are there are like leagues we could join I think what about flag football it'd be funny if it was like Bill's insisting he's pitching again Bill keeps getting smoked Bill put a big clean up what sport do you think the ringer is best suited to compete in oh interesting question if we're playing other like media companies just the LA group I mean honestly probably trivia no I don't know if we're playing media companies we'd have an advantage you think yeah because we have a lot of younger people what sport though just the LA group we don't have the same height we did for basketball in the past we have some sneaky tall maybe the soccer Mahoney's tall Mahoney's tall Joe's tall Flyin' Isaac he's tall I'm kind of lanky for you Craig is tall yeah other Craig is tall J. Kyle Mann's still playing that's right oh is that right yeah Jacoby oh Jacoby last legs can we throw Heifetz in like PJ Tucker bang around no Heifetz is like the Morris twins he's just starting to start Lance Stevenson I think that we would have a good softball team I do we'll workshop this kickball kickball I wonder if me and Adam Friedland should start managing the soccer team he's calling you nine times a day thinking about putting Heifetz at sweeper alright about last night so glad we did it 40th anniversary check it out on Netflix thanks to Craig thanks to Gahow I don't know I feel like we've peaked you want to announce next week now that it's already taped oh yeah the re-speed is gonna be Monday oh wow one of the first ones we've ever done on Netflix and it's on Netflix right now and that movie fucking rocks that movie is spoiler alert best movie ever made we'll see you on Monday this episode is brought to you by the movie Mutiny only in theaters August 21st Jason Statham stars in Mutiny the new action thriller from the director of Plane when an international conspiracy turns deadly Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission to take down those responsible if you're a fan of The Beekeeper The Meg or The Expendables this is exactly the kind of movie you want to see Statham in one of the defining action stories of the last 25 years doing what he does best think Die Hard on a boat Mutiny only in theaters August 21st rated R for strong bloody violence and language endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of Netflix IRL inspired by fan favorites like Stranger Things and Squid Game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop everything shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play, eat, and shop on repeat at Netflix House at Galleria Dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com/house