A streaming gauntlet stands between 5 touts & the finals

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Yeah, that's Davis Matic, my friend, my co-host, and don't tell him I said this, but the best streamer in the fantasy football space. He's also the first person I knew I had to call when we got down to the final five. He's been waiting for this moment. I literally cannot fucking wait to be called in for a judge on this and just. kill everyone. Just be like, you suck at this, you suck, you're terrible, you can't do what I do, like, try harder. Yeah, can't wait. I'll be your host, Peter Overzet. So you think you can howl? You fucking ain't right, we fucking think we can. That's right, this insane journey that started with 135 applications, 135 books, bros, to be exact, who wanted to essentially be the next Davis Matic, the next popular fantasy football tout. And for the past three months, in this weird tout competition meets reality show meets fantasy football job application, they've been vying for a paid gig making content on my YouTube channel, $3,750 in underdog site credits, a stipend to upgrade their broadcasting equipment, and finally, let's be real, the exposure to open up doors and opportunities in other places beyond just my channel. Not as many people as I'd hoped have watched this show. Seriously, please subscribe to this channel right now if you haven't yet. But I will say, the right people are watching. The people you care about, if you want to make it in this industry, are watching. And that's exciting for everyone involved. And we are now down to our final five. And it somehow includes PPR Tyler. If you missed last week's episode, you might be wondering, how did the frontrunner who flamed out during debate week get a second chance? PPR Tyler had, of course, been eliminated by his friend BBG the episode before. Pete, I think I'm going to take the deal, man. Keep your 500 site credits. I'll take the Pete fame. But then he randomly showed up on the bash and was electric. If the guy driving the draft would have shown the clock, I could have made a better informed decision, but it's okay. We timed out. We can't hear you, Pete. We can't hear you. You are on thin fucking ice. And it hit us. We had to wrap up the toxic tower choices. insights. Can you, you know, one of the things I've talked about a lot is this element of we're playing a heightened version of ourselves. Like I've hung out with you in real life. Like you and me are firing off takes being like 110%. But when we turn the camera on, we know we have to lift up that energy. We are performing. And I think that's the part people don't realize. They think we're just being completely normal. And Levitan says this all the time. He's like, people love me and my persona on the shows. And then they meet me in real life and they're like, you're fucking boring as shit, dude. You're a nerd. Yeah. Now I knew most of the trolls would be too scared to apply when I created. So you think you can tout, but there were also going to be plenty of good eggs who are maybe just naive to what it takes. Yeah. It's certainly tougher than it looks. But the other element that inspired me to do this show was the bash, the show, our touts hosted last challenge, the show where random YouTube members get to join me on stream for a draft. Sure. There are a ton of trolls in this space, but there's also a ton of really smart, interesting people. In my community, humbling some trolls was just a cherry on top. But the real thought was, I think there are some diamonds in the rough here. Can we unearth a few special talents who do just need this nudge, this springboard to do this more seriously? And that's exactly what has happened with these final five. These guys are legit. They've passed virtually every test we've given them. And now it was time to see them in multiple extended long form settings. Nothing reveals more about who you are as a personality, an individual, or as a person. And I think that's what's so important about this show. entertainer, and yes, tout, then long-form streaming. Obviously, just the ability to just be at ease on camera, I mean, that's the hardest thing. And I'm sure a lot of the eliminated contestants were like, that was way harder than I thought it was going to be. I thought it was just so much harder to just talk for five minutes uninterrupted on a camera. The performance of all five of the touts, their best performances this week across the three elements was with you because you made their life easy. They just got to be a guest. You can carry the show. You can carry the entertainment. You're playing point guard. So they were all going to look best there. The cracks kind of show, I think, for some of them when they're asked to host, when they're asked to solo stream. But I do think we've gotten to the point with these guys where they're at least comfortable on camera as a guest, as an analyst, getting asked questions. I thought they all passed that test pretty well with you. Yeah, I think my stream, they were all good. Like, you could be nitpicking and be like, well, I don't like this. But they were all like, that stream did well. People liked it. It was pretty enjoyable. I thought the best ball breakfast, more of the same, like a little bit harder tossing it to you. And the lines get blurred there a little bit because you're happy to talk and, you know, whatever. And they have a big chat. Obviously, the hardest thing is the solo stream, particularly when you don't have the huge chat. I mean, I thought that was a difficult ask, particularly because we don't know, like, what the show is going to be in the end. And it's probably pretty unlikely to be a solo stream on your channel. So, like, that is. It is. It was a big ask. The solo streams were interesting, mainly to see the approach they all took. PPR Tyler is the only one of these guys with rep solo streaming. And it showed. He crushed it. He didn't get fancy. He hit all the marks, intro, plugs, team recaps, on the fly takes, interaction with the chat. Frog with a $10 veto Claiborne. Well, guess what, Frog? You're not going to get any vetoes on this team. He's a pro. He had the best solo stream by a country mile. Everyone else had issues. Emo Cowboy was muted. He was muted for the first four minutes of the stream. Good times mean competitions between you and your friends. Like seeing who can throw some pigskin the farthest or rush the field the fastest. Because it's not just a Superior-like beer. It's also giving fans Superior access to their favorite sporting events. Enjoy responsibly. Copyright 2026. Anheuser-Busch InBev Michelob Ultra. Beer, St. Louis, Missouri. Now, it's your time. We go V. We go V. Ask your prescriber about WeGoVee. Some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams. A GLP-1. Call 1-833-4WEGOVEE. Or visit WeGoVee.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about WeGoVee. Why wait? We go V. We go V. Ah, welcome in. We are two picks down. A total disaster of a solo stream. Cups spent a few minutes trying to enter a draft and covered up half the screen with the chat comments he'd often forget were still up. Tony Squares drafted four QBs. Don't build a team like this. Don't do it. Don't do it. Do not take four quarterbacks this early. Gilbert Arenas would be proud. And Michael O'Hara willingly drafted the worst team possible. So tonight, we will be doing the worst draft of all time. But I learned a lot about these guys from the solo streams. After recovering from the mute, Emo gave us rock-solid, very serious best ball analysis. I've been thinking a lot about Terry McLaurin and how no one seems to care that he's the only wide receiver worth drafting on his team. With a team that just upgraded OC, we know his points per game are solid. We know he's got the juice. He's earned over 1,400 air yards, 130 targets two separate times. Cups blended. He's put his dynasty background into a best ball format in a pretty creative way. So we're looking at the ADP on sleeper dynasty startups. We're comparing that ADP and position rank to where these players go on underdog. This really tells us, like, what do people think that these guys are going to do in 2026? I don't care if they're old. I want to win. I love that O'Hara was willing to have a hook for his draft, share it on Twitter after, and deal with the trolls chirping at him. It's just so funny seeing people in the replies just dunking on a team. That's intentionally supposed to be horrible. I'm just loving this. It's been fun. And I love that Squares gave himself this hook, FMK with the top three available players, because it forced him to do what people said he hadn't been doing, discussing the entire player pool and not just the players he loves. The point of the draft and the stream was for me to give opinions on dudes that I had not talked about yet in the length of this contest. And I really feel like I achieved that. But I wanted to get back to what Davis thought of all of these guys. He got a front row seat to these five touts and has been watching them throughout the competition. We went one by one in order they appeared on Davis's stream. Up first, Michael O'Hara. Loved O'Hara. Interpersonally found him to be great. A lot of ball knowledge. We had a little bit of a technical difficulty at the beginning. His mic snapped off for a second. Didn't phase him. Could have just been flustered and sweaty as a result of that. Hopped back on. That's probably a reps thing. One of the things that I had a question for O'Hara coming into this week is like, he's rock solid. Like, I've just seen him in all these different environments. There's no giant glaring hole in his content game. But I was kind of curious about his range. One of my favorite moments in the stream with you, you guys were having the kind of Josh Jacobs versus neighbors conversation. And I thought he did a good job of not just, you know, there's a temptation to the host to just be like, I'll defer to you. You have the right take. And he's like, If I was on the sticks and this was my money and not Davis Maddock fantasy dollars, I would be taking Jacobs. But with the one bullet on stream, I'm with you. Might as well take neighbors. Then you guys had that fun conversation. And I liked that he was comfortable enough to have a back and forth with you. It didn't feel argumentative. It didn't feel like he was calling you an idiot or vice versa. It just felt like a natural exchange in a best ball debate. One thing I haven't been able to get out of my head with O'Hara is he does remind me of a young Pat Corain, my co-host and longtime collaborator on ship chasing. Corain obviously has so many reps, but like of all the skills, I think Corain as a host is probably, the thing he would be weakest at. And it kind of reminded me of that where it's like, crane is just like an S tier God level guest in the fantasy space. He makes your life so easy. You wouldn't ask Corain to do all of the hosting chops. It's just not playing to his strengths. And so that's the thing with O'Hara that I think really crystallized for me. I can see the vision as a solo analyst. I can see the vision as a guest. I don't think I want to ask O'Hara to host me. Could tell he was like a little nervous, you know, w which is, I mean, Hey, no, no, no sweat there. He again, probably would get like, really, really good at best ball live streaming with, with more reps. I tuned into his stream. He did. He did pretty good on, on his stream. No, no complaints about how he did on a, on his stream. Like I, I, I would give him like a solid, like B plus grade from, from when he was on with me. I think next up we had Alex cups. I really enjoyed the time with cups. Well, we, we got into like prospect modeling and talking about like the differences between our models and things like that, which is really interesting to both of us. Probably not particularly, great radio in general for like a, a best ball audience. I would say of the five guys left, he probably knows the most ball. I think he probably would benefit the most from like additional reps. I enjoyed cups overall. Like I don't have any, I, it would be hard for me to pinpoint a specific flaw and be like, Hey man, you really need to work on this. And cups to me, going back to the analogy of like a guy at the combine, he's the guy that's not going to look great in every, every single thing, but he's going to have the elite vertical jump. And when I look at him, he's the one guy left in this contest that is originating, has his own model. We know how important that is in this space. Like even you, this summer took on that project of creating the slap model because you know, that having your own source material, being able to speak on that, it, you know, reflects kind of domain expertise and it actually makes your content a lot stronger. And so that part of cups is game. Even if he's not the best streamer, I think he has the highest ceiling as an analyst with that background. 100%. 100%. And he can learn more. And he clearly is willing to learn because he's, I think he said he entered into 60 little Dalmatian slows. He did 101. He maxed it. Yeah, he did. He did 101. So he just is like, he's willing to learn. And I think clearly he is smart enough to get the domain expertise, but he and Tony both kind of had this thing where it's like, there's a huge difference for someone like me between having 8% of Bucky Irving and 15% Bucky Irving. Like that is like a multi thousand dollar decision for me. I'm glad you mentioned that because that's in one of my notes. That was one of my favorite parts of your stream with him. I think he had the line seven picks ahead. Is that really that crazy? Which is a very normal comment from someone who's not steeped in best ball like we are. I thought you did a good job of educating him on that. And isn't it funny? Like two years ago, Davis, you would have said seven picks after ADP isn't crazy. Yeah, no big deal. Yeah. It's such a difference between dynasty and redraft, right? Because seven picks ahead of ADP in a dynasty startup is just like, who cares? Or same thing. Like if you were doing three leagues with your buddies, taking Bucky Irving in the fourth round instead of the fifth round is just like, totally, totally NBD. And because both like cups is primary experiences with those markets. It just it's hard to it's hard to read it that way off the bat. Yeah. And I think there's a tendency with our audiences to want to use this, as a gotcha moment for these guys of like, you don't understand portfolio dynamics with best ball. It doesn't fucking matter. Like that is it stuff we need to talk through? Was he willing to listen to you and to learn? Absolutely. But the point of these things wasn't to see who understands portfolio dynamics the best. It was to put you in these scenarios and see who could be their self. And I like that cups was willing to ask questions willing to learn it was time to get to Tony squares. I was really curious to see how he responded. After bombing with kitchen, he need a strong bounce back with Davis here. And Davis was impressed. He's the best on camera of all these guys. He could obviously learn a little bit more about football. And like, honestly, just like, like I was explaining to him, we had this moment where he was like, Tucker craft, you got to do it. As for tight end, I've been a big proponent of trying to get one of the top five guys, because I think there's a big gap after that. And Tucker craft is that last guy. And I was explaining to him the yards after catch stuff. Do you notice all these guys around Tucker craft and yards after catch per reception? Do you notice what position they play? He will never, ever in his life ever again average over 10 yards after catch per reception. I'm saying if he was a running back, Davis, where would you draft him? Like, well, it's just it's not a it's not a one to one like there are more things that he can learn about the mechanics of best ball and fantasy football and yada yada. But he clearly has the voice someone someone in my chat made the comp to show up. And I was like, wow, so good. Such a such a good comp. Easy has been saying that in the discord. He's like squares could be a show. And that really is the vision. And the best ball bros haven't been able to get there with him. But it's so clear he could crush that role. The disconnect between how content creators view squares and how fantasy football content consumers perceive him has been fascinating. Virtually every judge has loved Tony squares. Mayo. I like him. He's good. Flock S tier by himself. Tony squares, not even remote. Totally close. Jacob, this guy is a rocket ship. And yet the best ball bro corner of the audience can't get past the fact that he hasn't memorized the best ball manifesto. Davis explained this dynamic in a way I hadn't thought of yet. Well, I would assume most of the audience doesn't see themselves in the host role. They see themselves as the smart analysts. So they're like, well, anyone could be a host, right? That's the that's the easy part. You know, you watch you watch a talk show and you're like, well, who cares about the who cares about the host? I'm interested in the guest. I clicked on this thumbnail, not for the person whose channel it is. I clicked on the thumbnail because Adam Levitan's on or Evan Silva's on. That really was a light bulb moment for me. People judge Tony as an analyst, not realizing his upside is as a host. Of course, squares has flaws in his game. The kitchen interview is brutal. I'll give it a C. I'll give it a C. And that's probably being generous. He did much better on best ball breakfast, but there were still spots he didn't defer to me as the guest for the picks. All he had to do was play point guard and throw to me as the best ball bro. But I do think easy nailed it on the head and shout out, by the way, if you don't know easy, the true king of the deposit kingdom discord, a man I always rely on to tell it like it is. And he had this post in the discord while squares was streaming with Davis that I loved. He said, I think the chat is falling too in love with the squares doesn't know ball bit in parroting it. And the truth is, he's probably further ahead in other areas than he is behind in ball knowing. Knowing ball has been distorted into an absolutely useless phrase. I don't know ball, and it doesn't fucking matter. What you need to be is ball conversational, or as someone said in my best ball breakfast chat, ball lingual. I explained to Davis why squares his skill set is so appealing to me as a potential compliment to what I do. And that's why it's so exciting to me because I've said this in a few spots, but like, I look forward to the swole cast so much each week, and I assume you feel similarly. We don't have to host that. We say David kitchen will needle you when you don't do a good job for hosting, but you're the host and you and me, you get to be the analyst. I get to be the comedian. We just pick our spots. We snipe jokes. We make David's life hard. That's so fun for me each week when 95% of my other on air stuff is hosting is being the adult in the room is servicing the guests. So it seems like people haven't understood the value add of squares just globally. The value add to me is massive, like a guy like him that I could do a show with where he'd host me and allow me to play into some of my other strengths that I don't get to do as much. That's really attractive. There are a lot of applications to have another host that you trust involved in the organization by and large, like hosting and organizing and doing all that stuff is just way more difficult than you would think. The goal of this competition isn't to find the fifth ship chaser. It's not to find the fourth rotating guest for best ball breakfast. I am blessed to have. So many awesome best ball bros in my life ship chasers in my life. I would be doing a disservice to any of these guys to be like, yeah, live up to crane live up to Davis live up to Jacob. The one thing I don't have in my orbit is like another really good host for my channel. I am the host on my channel. That's kind of what happens as you are as well. But I'm also open to expanding the way Mayo has like build out the world. Can I find other niches of the fantasy YouTube space that could be really fun? For me and put me in a slightly different position than I usually am. Yeah, I kind of think about how like the old like fantasy focus football podcasts were where and there were there been different hosts of that show throughout the ages, but it was always host to analyst. The host had very few opinions that would be interjected into the question of the day or the question of the week or the topic of the hour or whatever. And then it would be Barry and Eric Carrabelle or my clay or I don't even really remember the host name throughout the years because that wasn't the important part. And and in some ways, that is like a positive for the host to just kind of unobtrusively move the analyst through like whatever needed to be discussed. Before we moved on, I did have to highlight my favorite moment from streaming week, you were giving him some advice. And you said, Let me tell you another little fact, man, you can just make shit up. As long as it sounds good. And he did it right. Because he was like, I was like, Hey, we need to take Debo here. And he was like, No, don't take Debo Debo socks. He's old, whatever. And then we came back around and Debo was still there. And he was like, got to take Debo Samuel so good for the commanders last year, yada, yada. And it's just like, if you're going to be doing pre recorded videos, I would tell you that's bad advice to just like make things up and like get through it. But if you were trying to do multiple two hour live streams, sometimes you're just going to have to say something that you only halfheartedly believe in. And then get through the sentence, get through the minute, get through whatever you got to do, and then move on to the next thing like you, you got to just do it. Next up, our Lazarus PPR Tyler. He was brought back from the dead by emo. And how was he going to fare with Davis experience with Tyler's great. He's a great guest. He knows that he's got a he's got a billion. He's got a billion reps. What I'm worried about with with evaluating PPR Tyler for this contest is it's like drafting Devon Bailey. You've got the you know, you've got the 26 year old wide receiver who like the breakout has already happened the breakout like he couldn't possibly get any more live streaming reps in this is this is the you know, the apotheosis of what PPR Tyler is going to be as a as a as a content guy, which is not to say that, you know, he can't add in a new skill or whatever. But like, I think it's unlikely that he there is some Zenith for him to reach as a as a streamer that that he is not already reached. I agree with that. I think there's some stuff he can do to really level up his game. He's the one guy I would go out of my way to watch his stream like his stream was sacrilegious was probably one of my top two or three favorite streams all summer long. I'm telling you right now. We're not fucking doing that. That's not your if I have to use this tool, you're gonna have to let me go off the course and I can't be the shot. So like, I am just entertained by this guy. People are entertained. I do think he could level up his analysis become more of a authoritative figure when he talks about things. Right now. It's extremely vibe space. And again, he knows best ball. He knows correlation, yada, yada. He's fluent in that language. But I do agree as like a quote unquote analysis or analyst, he has work to do. But man, the things the things he does have are things you can't teach. I'm worried he's kind of painted himself into the corner of being a chud. And now that he is in the chud corner, he is unwilling to move off of it. Like he was he had the best line on my stream where he was like, I'm just kind of like out on books right now in my life. I'm just kind of out, which is like a very funny. It's a very funny line. It's very funny. But I mean this when I'm telling this to him is like not like choosing to not engage with like intellectualism will hold you back from something where you just have to talk all the time because you're not going to have you're going to have a harder time ideating. You're going to have a harder time learning. I do think that if you do have the thing, which is just kind of the gift to gab charisma, whatever you want to call it. Like if you do have that thing, you already have like you just said, that's the hard thing. Like the numbers, the ideas like you just you just need to investigate them all a little bit more deeply, I think. For sure. And I think the thing that's interesting is I completely agree. Like if PPR Tyler, like if he wants to make this his full time job, he either needs to stream five hours a day, like if that's all he wants, like you just you just rip into it, like literally stream 20 hours a week, bro. But if you want to make it in the ways we've made it, you do have to round out your profile. You've got to be able to write for people. You got to be able to give analysis that people are going to want to take to heart. The fact he is willing to make fun of himself to me is such a huge thing. Like all of us, man. Like, what is the thing that makes the swole cast and ship chasing and everything that we do fun? It's we're all willing to be the butt of the joke at times. And he just has that in spades and does it in such a fun way. It's really, really something I gravitate to when I watch someone on camera. Completely agree. The willing, I mean, I would say probably the ability to not take yourself so seriously and understand that all of this is just like a joke. What do you mean? Like streaming under our drafts can be a job. Like, what do you mean that you should even like going down to my computer and talking about Keaton Mitchell? Be something that like returns value for my family. It's a complete and utter joke to take yourself seriously in this line of work is like such a grave sin. I will say, I think one other element to his profile that I think is interesting. He is a football coach. He's been doing some of this stuff where he watches film. One of the big push polls in best ball analysis is, oh, we're all over indexed on portfolio on projections on rank. We want the ball. No one would get your hand in the dirt, that stuff. And so being willing to do that again, even if there's. Not signal there people eat that shit up. The recipe is there for, I think, a pretty unique show with Tyler, just with that background as a football coach, watching film for fantasy football purposes on stream is like when someone becomes a right wing grifter, it's like, it's the easiest pivot to like clicks and views that you could possibly imagine. It's really, really smart of him. PPR Tyler, like showing you the, showing you the, the route combination that Parker Washington can do that Brian Thomas jr. Can't do. And you being like, bro, that doesn't mean anything to me. Like that right there is a banger. And that's like a fun. Thing that I'm looking at in all of these guys. And it's not that I don't want a best ball, bro. I want to make non best ball draft streaming content with whoever I have. And so, yeah, we've thrown these guys in a lot of environments that involve best ball draft, but that's just been like the background, the vehicle to see what these guys can do. And because most conducive for like what we know and understand, like it's just something we could do. Yeah, for sure. And so, but it's been fun to learn more about these guys and I got. To see O'Hara and PPR Tyler do the film thing in their duo week. And so I was like, oh, I didn't know this was in your bag. And so then for me as a talent evaluator of someone, I'm starting to think through all these creative ideas of how can we play to your strengths. And also repackage it into a content vehicle that doesn't exist yet within our space, because ultimately what's the whole reason I did this show for? I was bored. I wanted to do something new. You think I'm just going to pick someone to slot into best ball breakfast in the fifth spot. No, like I'm going to find something fun. And new to do, because that's, what's going to be energizing for me. We had one more tout to get to Mr. Emo cowboy. I mean, I've done shows with emo, like many times, actually. He's a good hang. He knows a lot about ball. He's very comfortable taking the microphone and being like, Hey man, I'm just going to rock here. I think he's quite good. I think the issue that he's had in this contest, you, you hit on it from like his very first elimination thing, which is like, what's your hook Tyler. What's what's the thing that is like, when I think about emo cowboy. Why am I a fan of his? Like, what is the thing that differentiates you from amongst all the fantasy football streams? There are, and I don't know if I have a good answer for that. Emo is an awesome best ball, bro. He is like quintessential best ball, bro. He dabbles in the, the doctor stuff and the health timelines. He dabbles in the lawyer stuff. Like he is going to be well read on every single dynamic that impacts ADP. He's read the manifesto. He knows every, he is the best ball, bro. But it is in an aggregation kind of way. He's the perfect sub for best ball breakfast, right? You come in, you are going to be seamless talking about best ball. No, one's going to miss a beat. You're going to be caught up on news. You're never going to look silly, but what is the unique value add to what I do? That's not just a replica of what I already do. I tend to agree with that. And I mean, in some ways that feels like a little bit harsh too, of just being like, Hey man, sorry, you were just like a, a B plus a minus at all these things. And therefore, uh, you know. Because you are a generalist, it's harder for you to succeed, but like, I don't know, it's kind of, it's kind of the nature of the reality of the situation, which is that in some ways, a lot of being a YouTube or a lot of being a content creator is like kind of unexplainable. Like as much as people want to say, like, there's a formula, there's a, this, there's a, that sometimes there isn't right. Why, why do I watch one YouTube channel over another? Do you want me to like, there's probably like a deep psychological reason that could be teased out, but like, I don't really, you know, I don't know, just kind of. It's, it's just, I, I like this guy. I don't like that guy, you know? But I do think it is like, when it comes down to the vibes, there's just something about it, you know, again, like him monologuing to me when he was a host, it's just like, I wasn't having as much fun as I did in the other ones. And what's weird about that is emo does have these parts of his personality that are fun. He's willing to be the sex joke guy and the, you know, push the envelope guy, but there's something about a lot of these spots in the contest where it's like just a little too serious, a little too aggro. That might be it. It might be, it might be that it's a little that I was trying to kind of like verbalize like what it is. And I think maybe it is, it's a little too serious. And I think the thing that's been hard for emo and what I said from the very beginning was like, I want to see the real Tyler here is he's, he's good at like, I do full bit or I'm full analyst or I'm full making fun of my co-host, but he's never able to package that into one, just being Tyler himself. It always feels like he's playing a role, a specific role that he thinks the audience. Yes. And that is like, I mean, that's a, that's a dangerous game, right? To do, to do the, what is the audience font versus what do I want? What do I want to put into the universe and then kind of fixate and package that and figure out the right way to dial down into doing the thing that, uh, that I like to do. I don't know if his ears were burning, but emo literally uploaded a confessional while Davis and I were recording. I think overall had a fairly strong showing, showing what I do best to a degree. Um, I think I came off polished. I think I, I showed my, my analyst shops pretty well. Uh, I drafted good teams. I spoke to ball. Well, the draft board, well draft rooms. Well, uh, game theory, uh, had some fun riffs and things, but ultimately I, you know, watching the game film, looking back, I definitely have critiques for myself. Right. I dominated the conversation too often, um, cutting people off too often. That's definitely. I Achilles heel, certainly worse when you're with people that you don't know the cadence with as much like Davis and Pete, as far as like doing content with them. I know the cadence of my other co-hosts that I stream with all the time, much, much better. Right. Um, and we have a more natural feel for that. All that said, um, that, and, you know, I definitely kinda, you know, definitely not as loose on my solo stream. Part of that was probably the audio issues, uh, you know, going three and a half. Minutes without audio. Thanks to stream yard, uh, not detecting Mike and having an issue, just getting it to reconnect. Uh, definitely threw me off a little bit. I think I recovered well, but it definitely wasn't as loose, natural and engaging with the chat and fun as I can do. Um, and I definitely wasn't as like loose and fun with Pete as I would like to, as an, as I, as I absolutely could. And I think part of that was just knowing that I've been on camera with Pete a lot and they've been pretty plenty of times where I've pissed him. Off or he's just like, not like the vibe. And I know that a lot of people talking about the show and me in general is that like, they didn't really care for the heel, uh, entertainment factor of the show, or they don't care for like the, the bravado, uh, cockiness stuff. And, you know, I took the note from JJ that, you know, I can come off kind of intimidating. So ultimately, you know, maybe I veered too much subconsciously, uh, this week into, you know, just playing the straight man analyst thing. When ultimately this is about entertainment, it is about having your own voice and bringing something new to the table. And, you know, I can, I can absolutely refine those two things, especially in my own unique voice and my own entertainment factor. Um, and just finding that sweet spot more often, you know, ultimately I think that's what it comes down to, but it's been a blast. Uh, we've had a great time. Shout out everybody that did it. Uh, I think strong performances across the board. And it's just going to come down to like what David scores. And ultimately. let's not kid ourselves, what Pete's looking for, what Pete likes. i already have a sneaking suspicion uh and uh of where this is all going uh have since day one but ultimately props to everybody it's been a fun ride and we've had a good time doing it and we've learned a lot and i appreciate everybody's uh feedback and comments i'm taking a lot to heart and you know we're just we're gonna refine ourselves for 17 and 0 season this episode is brought to you by michelob ultra good times mean competitions between you and your friends like seeing who can throw some pigskin the farthest or rush the field the fastest winner gets an ultra because it's not just a superior light beer it's also giving fans superior access to their favorite sporting events superior is worth playing for visit michelob ultra.com slash superior access to enter enjoy responsibly copyright 2026 anheuser-busch inbev michelob ultra beer st louis missouri every game day you show up for your team now it's your time ask your prescriber about we go v some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp1 call 18334 we go v or visit we go v.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about we go v why wait before i get to davis's final opinions on who he thinks i should pick for the so you think you can tout final i had to call up one more person someone whose opinion i greatly value the person who knows me better than anyone in this space the bbm3 champ my fellow ship chaser and the man behind legendary upside pat corain i've been getting like the notifications for our youtube channel and stuff and thinking how long it's been since we started collaborating i mean we're coming up on close to a decade now when we started working on fantasyland was that 2017 or 2016 we started that we're legit a full decade now we're coming up on close to a decade now when we started working on fantasyland dude that's wild yeah that's really wild in 2016 matthew friedman in fantasy douche had asked me to host an npr style fantasy podcast called fantasy land for rotavis friedman had seen my hosting and production chops as a guest on my old podcast the fantasy football comedy hour and he thought i'd be a good fit for the project they were launching and after the first episode came out pat reached out to us i don't know if i messaged you guys more directly i but i i sent an email being like this is awesome i don't know if i messaged you guys more directly i but i i sent an like if you guys need any help or anything like i'm happy to contribute any way i can and you guys did need help because as i came to find out it was like kind of a bear you know what we were doing was we were taking a bunch of interviews chopping them up and then constructing a story around that we would get an episode that we're really happy with and then we'd send it over to fantasy douche and he'd be like no change this this this this this this and this and this is the cold open and we'd be like what and then we'd like kind of like think we'd cool down and think about it and we're like he's right about all of it and we'd have to change it all all again but then the episode would be really good but you know it took a lot of work to make those and so you and i were like really in the trenches together uh which was an awesome bonding experience and i'm really proud of those episodes but i think we only like made like 15 or 16 of them ultimately over a it wasn't the most efficient way to make content and dude you know what's crazy like everything you just described that's what i'm doing for this show now it's lots of interviews it's scripting i'm in the trenches with the editors and all of that stuff and like i haven't tackled a project like this since fantasy land i don't think well one ai has made my life a lot easier i have thought back to how easy how much easier it would have been for us to crank out yeah yeah those episodes because i'm using these transcript files and i can find the quotes so quickly we were like listening meticulously back knowing where to cut it and then the vo had to perfectly set up the clip and when you don't have the text representation of it like i do now it took us fucking forever we were using like our memory for a lot of it like there's like there's that one clip and of course you'd kind of conflate a couple clips in your head so you'd have this like perfect clip that didn't really exist and you're like hunting for it i think we just immediately bonded like our both intensity and passion for fantasy football and we were both big road of his heads you were doing some writing there i was a fan of so much of the analysis there so i think we connected right away and then when we stumbled into the version of fantasy land where we stopped telling stories about other people and it was finally going to be the story about us and it was kind of this gift fantasy do said like i want to pay for you guys to go out and make this episode about your first high stakes draft and i think an entry for us from ffpc and that really was the the initial nugget that blossomed into what shipped chasing is now and i think it's so cool looking at that evolution because we've been collaborators both in like an on camera on screen way we've been co-managers managing all these teams and then we've also like overseen now the growth of ship chasing and you and i talk all the time about like how do we want these shows to work who are good hosts so in so many ways like you have collaborated with me in like every possible way i think you can in this space and so you're the perfect person to talk to as i now kind of make a decision on another person i want to collaborate with regularly. and then you're you're like willing and able to do that um and so yeah i think like whoever ends up getting picked to collaborate with you is is really lucky to to get to do that so i would if i was in your shoes i'd be thinking like who ultimately is going to make me excited to do stuff going to bring ideas that i'm i'm really stoked to work on um and kind of keep things really interesting because yeah i mean we've had to over the course of you know ship chasing. as it's evolved as we you know originally like ship chasing the kind of like post fantasy land pre ship chasing thing was like an article we collaborated on and then that became a podcast and then then we started doing video and you know we we bring on gretch we evolved into 80 peaches all this stuff along the way it's been really easy but there have been big decisions right so we've had like conversations about like what to do now at various points and i think you just want someone where. that's not gonna feel you know like there's a lot of friction you know with that kind of stuff because i don't think you bring a lot of friction and you know so that that's something i would you know as your friend just be like hey like i hope what whoever you pick you end up really enjoying it i am looking for something new and that's kind of the thing i want to talk through with you as i you know decide who are going to be the finalists here yeah no i completely get that what i'd be curious about what are they excited about doing and kind of like playing to. their biggest strengths because i think you've done a good job of putting them on their back feet in certain ways and and you know literally tricking them about what they're going to be doing and stuff but like at this point you've now got a really strong group so how do these guys shine you know how do they elevate another person you know and create something that really wouldn't be good without them pat was in lockstep with me on the macro goal here but i wanted his quick thought on each of the final five we had to start with squares and i asked pat if he thought squares would have an uphill climb with our hardcore audience i don't have any concerns about like winning over the fans like he is i mean first of all like there's not like he could find a completely different set of people to watch his stuff in some ways like that's the appeal of tony is that he you know has shown the ability to to generate a following and he could find different people that are into different content like a tony's not going to start being a best ball streamer i don't think so i'm not real worried about like can he win over the fans like who who cares really i mean maybe you care because this is you know a show where it's kind of your audience but i i don't think from that perspective it really matters um as far as like if tony's going to succeed in the future to me i'm like i the what i think is going to matter for tony is like how kind of curious is he about about fantasy really about like getting deep into fantasy you know like how how much passion does he have not for broadcasting it but for actually like grinding it and getting better at it and you know i mean it's like hey man it's like week 11 you still got to make content you know like is that is that like oh or is that are you excited about it well i kind of asked him that and this is the read i've got like he from what i can tell and i did look back at some of his own content like he he locks the hell in for the season like that's his passion he's in all of these redraft leagues he does the guillotine leagues like i think he's absolutely dialed like in the normie sense of like august rolls around through the end of the season like i'm locked in i think the question is like does that passion does that flame exist year round when it is dynasty season when it's redraft or sorry best ball season all of that to me that's more the question i'm not worried about him in season i actually think that's where he'll shine and he'll be most in his football comfort zone There's a lot of different exciting ways we could go, but it's like a high risk, high reward thing. I agree with you about the ceiling, but it is a little more specific, right? Where he's, he's not going, he is more of a host. And so for sure, you know, that, that is somewhat limiting as far as the ceiling goes. Like he's a specific archetype of, of player, right? There's a high ceiling, but it's like, this is not going to be a do everything type of type of player. Could there be a show on my own channel where I get to show another side of me, be more of a comedian, be more of an analyst and let Tony play the point. I'm kind of attracted to that change of pace. That sounds cool. And also goes back to what I said earlier, like I would ultimately like what matters is what you're interested in doing. What are you going to have fun with and feel like, you know, isn't just kind of a, another version of something you're already doing. And you're kind of like checking a box. I'm not enjoying this that much. But it's now, now I've created like a new commitment for myself. When I asked Davis who would be in his top three, I was surprised with how definitive he was. I'd have squares one. And then I would kind of just like 52 pick up the other four. I think they all have their, I think they have their pluses and their minuses. The only one that I'd be like, you're really making a mistake. If you do not allow them to get to the final is squares for sure. I don't think squares is my clear number one in the way Davis described it, but he is a lock for me in the final three. He dominated for stretches in this competition. Of course, bombed with kitchen on the bash, but then bounced back with a really strong stream week. Of course, there are still things he needs to work on, but I want to hear his pitch on what show he wants to do with me. I have zero concerns about the skillset. I want to see if there's an idea out there that both of us would be excited to execute because the ceiling is so high. So Tony squares, welcome to the final three. I don't want to find out if you can tout. I want to find out if we can tout. I asked Pat, who should be my second? Yeah, I would say cups jumped out to me the most this week. Portraying himself honestly is like, here's, here's the type of analyst that I am. I'm more of a redraft analyst, but I'm, you know, I am doing some best ball and you know, that's kind of how I try to approach things too. Like, here's what I'm playing. Like I'm doing like my main event ranks just launched because I just started doing the main event. I'm an analyst because I'm playing these games. Right. And so the ability to like do formats, that aren't the ones that you're most focused on and do them in interesting ways, but in part because you're leaning on the person who knows more about it than you do. I think is cool. And I think, you know, he's got an interesting analytical background. I don't always agree with what he's saying, but I'm, I'm interested a lot of the time. So he, he definitely jumped out to me as, as a, as a strong candidate, it would be a very different flavor than whatever you would do with Tony. But I think he has upside as well in kind of more of that, like redraft focused content. And he's got like, it's, it's not as, it's like a current kind of more quiet charisma, but I think he's got some charisma as well. I do too. And I think it was funny because early on and, and, and hopefully he doesn't take this as like some pejorative, but my thought was like, I was worried if cups was a weatherman where it's like, they're good on camera. Right. But like, is there more dynamism there behind? Is there more personality? Is there some like real human or is it like kind of turned on charisma, but watching him through the challenges when he pounded the table in the, uh, the schemers video for Ashton Gentry at one Oh five, this first round pick, especially this year, there's a guy that's going after the first five picks that I think is the best pick on the board right now. I promised I was going to carry the Kurt Rambis flame the rest of this way in this tournament. Okay. And God, damn it. If I'm not going to do with this pick, give me Ashton Gentry. And he's having fun with it. I'm like, no, no, no. This guy has like real charisma and even seeing him struggle through the Xavier worthy PowerPoint presentation. Yeah. It wasn't his finest effort, but he was smiling. He knew it was ridiculous. He knew that it wasn't his strength. And so I've really come around on the upside of his charisma of like, he isn't just a pretty smile. Like I think this guy can be dynamic on camera. To me, those are the guys, the two guys I would rank at the top Tony and cups. Like squares, the cup ceiling is just way too high. There are so many ways we could go with his skillset. And I can't wait to hear his ideas for what our show would look like cups. I think you can tout. Let's see if you can pitch. So if we're doing the math here, three more contestants, only one more spot in the final three, which brings us to PPR Tyler. He was the favorite to dominate streaming week. And guess what? He dominated streaming week. He had the most entertaining stream with Davis. He had the most entertaining stream with me. He had the most entertaining stream with only one spot for the toxic tower available in the finals. PPR had not wasted his new lease on life in the competition. Head to head. I would go with PPR. I think he's probably got a little bit more ceiling, a little bit more range, just a little bit more of a fit doing content with you, which is not to say that I think emo should like go home and hang his head in shame. I just think it's close. You got to make a decision. And I would do, I would do PPR, which given all of the mechanics, I mean, what a, what a, what a, what a glow up for him this summer. Um, you know, I, I like, man, he better, he better, you better be on his Christmas card list, bro. Pat, of course, had one major concern about PPR. The one thing I, I worry about with PPR Tyler is, you know, you're going to be collaborating this guy and is he going to sell you out for $500 in site credits? I also collaborate with Davis, who sounds like he'd sell me out for $10 in site credits. So he asked you a question on your stream does week 17 not matter anymore? And your answer was great. You think about the things we would talk about pre Sims, like we had to do all of this math, all of this correlation boosting in our heads. And we would basically talk it out. The Sims have now shortcutted that it's like, why do we have to say something that is baked into the Sims? And so I think we've just lost it as a conversation topic in the same way. Do I talk about what street I'm turning on when I'm driving in the car? It's like, no, the GPS just tells me what to go. And I don't have to say I'm turning right here on North street. There's sort of like a, some silence and then he's like, so are we just out on week 17 hours? Like is everything that we once knew just doesn't matter anymore. I'm like, he just gave you what you're looking for. It's just like, not what he wanted to hear. So he just asked it again. That kind of stuff. I feel like it could get old, you know, like, are you able to have the type of conversations that you want to have? Um, and yeah, I think Tyler's like a very talented streamer. Like I, I'm like, what? And I'm still kind of curious to hear where he goes from there, you know? So it's not to take anything away from him, but as, as a collaborator with you, I, I wonder like what that would look like. I think you'd have a lot of fun collaborating with PPR Tyler initially. I'm curious, like how you'd feel about it six months in. He's the inverse of squares, right? He's the higher floor partnership, lower ceiling where I could roll out the show with PPR tomorrow. Audience would enjoy it. I wouldn't even like you just roll the ball out there for us. We're good. I don't have to do all this work. I don't have to think about packaging and presenting. It's just like, it's there after 90 minute calls with both Davis and Pat, we all arrived at the same conclusion. After talking it through all the way, I think probably the optimal three is squares, cups, and PPR Tyler. It would be quite hilarious if neither Tyler nor other Tyler made the final in the end. I mean, it would be, it would be a really good bit considering all of the drama and, and all of the, the good content this off season. But yeah, I think those would be the final. I think I agree with you. Those are the final three. I think that's pretty good for you because it's like, there's, I mean, those three people are very different from one another and from, and for different reasons, man, it might be the right final three, but nothing is easy at this point. I've looked at comments on the videos from stream week. Everyone's power ranks are different, so I'm not sure how competitive this final five is. My final three is not a referendum on talent or skill. It's simply me gravitating to the people I think I'd be most excited to work with and gravitating to the project or show ideas that would actually be energizing for me to work on week in and week out. I'm a stubborn dude. I'm a loyal dude. Whoever I choose, I want to stick with this. I will make this work. But what that also means is that I just had to make two very difficult cuts. One, of course, being emo cowboy. Emo was the star of this reality show from his polarizing submission that Mayo hated to going after Rick a doozle sparring with squares, crushing bash week with BB frozen and ultimately being the only member of the toxic tower to be selfless and letting PPR Tyler back in. Emo showed his versatility and value as a tout throughout this competition in both his fans and his haters were loud at every step of the way. This, so you think you can tell, was the ultimate collaboration with emo cowboy. He was born to be the star of a fantasy football reality TV show competition and he crushed the assignment. I know from that confessional we shared earlier how much emo appreciated getting advice from someone like JJ Zacharyson, who he really respects. So I asked both Davis and Pat their advice for emo going forward. 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I wonder if as we were talking through, I wonder if one of the things through is like maybe just like a solo channel for him that he dedicates more time to because splitting it between the sanctuary and between the tower maybe means that there's not as much of like straight emo writers. I think your comment about him starting his own channel is really important because if you do just want to do this as a hobby, like being a guest, you know, having your ship chasing, you know, their version of toxic tower, being a guest with Tom, letting those guys handle a lot of the infrastructure, that's completely fine. But if your goal is to do this on your own, you better have that sub stack. You better have that solo YouTube channel. I'm not saying you have to have all of them, but you're going to have to have your own vehicle to really make this work. Yeah, a hundred percent. Does it? And yeah, like you said, doesn't even have to be YouTube channel. Could be every time you hop on, you're plugging the sub stack, whatever, actually, and maybe even the sub stack, maybe even be better because then you're getting email addresses and then you like, then you marketing, yada, yada, all that, that thing. But yeah, it's, it's actually quite surprising to me after having, after doing all this work and being the glue guy that he doesn't have like an end point to send people to. Pat had some more holistic advice for emo. I like emo. I think he's very talented. There's this like volatility to emo, which I think can be interesting, but it's still something he's got to work on, like dialing in. There's kind of like an Andy Kaufman sort of element to it, where it's like, what's the bit, what's real, you know, who are you to a certain extent. And I feel like I do know Tyler cause I've like in person, it's a lot more real. Like you just feel like, okay, like I get, there's a winking quality to this that comes across, you know, in an actual human interaction that doesn't fully get its way onto YouTube, you know? And I think that's sort of the part of it. Maybe it's just the way it is. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he just gets better at kind of communicating that, that element. And, you know, we were like eating our words of like, yeah, actually his persona is hilarious and people are eating it up. But I think either kind of figure a way to like make that translate more or just being himself a little bit more, you know, emo said it in the confessional. He's like, for better or for worse, I read everything. I read every comment. That's not how I operate. Like I mute stuff. I turn off. You probably wouldn't do that. I think it really, really messes with you. And even squares said he messes like reading all the comments. You don't know ball. And then he had his worst challenge yet trying to prove he knew ball. And his takeaway was like, I got to stop listening to this. And that's a hard thing about this contest, right? Like they are asking for feedback. They are getting critiqued. That's what happens. But you also have to protect yourself and your mental health. The internet is not like a great place for like actionable advice from like, if you're just like going into the comments section, like you can find people and collaborate and, you know, find people who can give you good feedback. But if you're just going to the YouTube comments and like, okay, what do I need to work on? Or how did I do? It's kind of toxic, man. Breaking news, the internet's kind of toxic. You know, it's not a place I would, it's not a thing I really recommend, you know, especially on a show like this, where like you're inviting everyone to critique you. Like this whole show is about like, who's the best at this. I would actually be doing my best to not be reading stuff. And just like, I'm going to be myself. I'm going to give this my best effort and, you know, do what I think is best. I'd listen to what you had to say, what the judges had to say, because that's like, that's someone really giving thoughtful feedback. And that leaves us with one final cut, Michael O'Hara. I thought O'Hara was just this goofball when he sent in his submission video, shouting at geese, talking about common editorial ownership at the drive-through. Do you have a minute to talk about common editorial ownership? But then I slowly started to realize this guy has it. He can write. He's smooth on camera. He knows ball. Like emo, O'Hara is super well-rounded. Ultimately, I just had a hard time envisioning what new thing I could do with him. He would be the perfect sub for a best ball breakfast stream, but I think he just needs more time to fully find his lane and really flesh out his POV as an analyst. Davis agreed. He's like most in need of reps because I think he just has the lowest amount of time on camera of all of them. Also, like he just has done, I think, very little thinking about like, what is the Michael O'Hara brand? What do I want to do with this? What does that even look like? Is it written? Is it a video? Is it recorded videos? Is it live streaming? Like, what is it? I would imagine probably before he entered the contest, he just hadn't even thought about that. He's just like, oh, I like fantasy football. I like talking about best ball on stream. So I will enter this contest. And because he is an intelligent, affable guy, he was able to make it through without doing too much. Thinking about it. So I would assume just like thinking about it to begin with probably would be useful for him. Pat felt similarly. With O'Hara, it's about the collaboration element. And to your point, like, how am I leveling up what I'm doing? How am I challenging myself and, you know, keeping things interesting, keeping things fun, doing things I'm not currently doing, who helps me unlock stuff? I think O'Hara, it is the most similar to the stuff you're already doing. If you're looking to kind of like expand stuff. I think he offers the least there. O'Hara, I'm a fan. There will be lots of jobs waiting for you very soon. And I'll be the first in line to give you a reference. 135 down to a final three. Only one more episode remains the grand finale. Tony Squares, Alex Cupps, PPR Tyler, three worthy competitors, three completely different skill sets. It's time for them to pitch me their show ideas. And who knows? Maybe we have a few more surprises up our sleeve. Before it's all said and done. See you then. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. No two football players are exactly alike. And the same is true off the field. 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