A Response to Hasan Piker

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the uh the ticket link for um for that's where you get tick links for all that stuff okay so for today's show i wanted to um to respond to hassan piker who cut a little thing or he i don't know i don't understand hassan piker or where his show is it's not a comment on him it's a comment on me but i think he's like a kick streamer or something i don't know but i see the clips and he he responded to the episode of pierce morgan yesterday i had briefly mentioned it on on yesterday's show i i was on a panel with jank huger the topic ended up being hassan piker for way too long i think the um the topic was supposed to be about kind of the rise of the the dsa candidates and it ended up kind of becoming about hassan piker i think largely because jank was there and because hassan is kind of the uh you know at this point the biggest i guess the biggest streamer podcaster whatever who's in that world anyway and he's his nephew so that just ended up being the conversation um i want to say a few things about this you know i should personally i i saw this uh response that we're going to play here and and get into from hassan piker earlier today and i sent um anna and jank a long message about it just being like look how fucking dishonest this guy is and probably saying some of the stuff i'm going to say here and i i later apologized for that and i do think in some ways i think i owe jank a little bit of an apology for that and i do think in some ways i think i owe jank a little bit of an apology for that and i do think in some ways i think i owe jank a little bit of an apology just because i understand family's family you know i got nephews too and i understand i'd be in a weird position if someone was coming at me about something my nephew had said but it's a little bit of a weird position because he's also a big figure in this movement which i can't believe i'm somewhat shocked by you know as you guys who who are um if you've watched the show for a while you know over the years we've done a few episodes that were responses to hassan piker he's done it was he had done a few segments on his own and he's done a few episodes on his own and he's done a over the years usually like responding to something like a you know a clip of me on rogan um or something like that and i always thought it was just i mean i i don't know there's a lot of people uh in the podcast world in the political commentary world who have ascended and become big and whether i agree with them or not i certainly understand why they're successful i'm shocked that he's become successful i i i've always just thought he's so bad at this but again that's just my opinion in the market that we all love so much seems to value him you know for a long time i just kind of thought it was like well his audience must just be like teenage girls i don't know who else would consume this and he's got that he's like half male model half regime approved socialists so like i kind of thought oh maybe it appeals to them and maybe that still is the case that is a demographic that's voting for dsa candidates but at this point he's actually being somewhat embraced by a lot of people and i think that's a really good of rising candidates and so i think it's something that has to be taken on anyway let me preface before we get into this this is hassan piker responding to a panel uh from pierce morgan the other day the the the show was blowing up i was getting a lot of responses from it i was happy with the panel um i i just i'm gonna say before we get into this that i made i made a few basic points to jank in this panel i don't believe i got a response from a lot of people i don't believe i got a response to any of them i'm not gonna say that's jank's fault because again it was a panel on pierce morgan and this would probably be more appropriate for me and him to have a long-form conversation about which i'm very open to do by the way open invite to jank i've had him on the show before he's had me on his show we've debated together we've you know i'd be more than happy to talk to him about this stuff anytime um but there were a few points that i made let me lay them out as a succinctly here these are points that you know you guys are probably familiar with but just to be clear this is some of this is what i said on the pierce morgan panel okay so first of all i said that um the i think that there's something incredibly dishonest about the democratic socialist movement and and that it's kind of an outgrowth of this very dishonest kind of liberal and leftist tactic that they've really employed uh over the last 20 years before that as well but particularly over the last 20 years where they've employed this tactic where they pretend that the conversation is about free stuff. You know, and I know they don't like when when you use the term stuff, because they feel like that's diminishing or something. But I just mean that they talk about it's like, well, I believe in free education. Well, I believe healthcare is a human right. Well, I believe like, like, as if the idea as if the conversation because obviously, you can see it's there's something very dishonest about it. Because, as I said on the show, my seven year old could figure out that like, healthcare isn't really free, as long as doctors are drawing salaries, and nurses are drawing salaries, and construction workers are being paid to build buildings, and people who maintenance medical machinery are being paid to do that. And you know what I'm saying? Like, if everybody's being compensated for their work, then clearly the service isn't free. So the debate is over whether people ought to be taxed, and then the government ought to provide the service, or whether it should be provided in the market by by, you know, voluntary exchanges. Okay, that's the debate. Framing it as do you like free education or not turns it into a thing where essentially, I'm Santa Claus is what Mises called it the Santa Claus principle of intervention, the idea that we pretend there's just a limitless amount of resources. And so why wouldn't you want things for free, even though that is, that is objectively anti reality, it's not true, resources are scarce, we only have so much so much of them. Um, and so then the framing is that, like, I guess, if you're Santa Claus, I don't think Mises said this, but then I guess you would be like the Grinch or something like that. If you're not for the government taking over the healthcare industry, you're against free healthcare. It's an incredibly, obviously dishonest tactic done used to suppress debate and to cast anybody who disagrees with state socialism as somehow evil, immoral, you just don't want people to have stuff. There's a great old, there's a classic old Soviet joke, or it's like a capitalist communist joke. But it's a two women, starving women are standing in bread lines in the Soviet Union, waiting and one of them is complaining. And she goes, Oh, my God, you know, they used to give us a loaf of bread. Now they only give them there was only half a loaf of bread. Now they're giving me like two slices of bread, my whole family starving. And the other Russian wife says, you shouldn't complain. In America, the government doesn't give out bread at all. You know, okay, it's a dumb old joke. But the point is that just opposing the government giving something out doesn't mean you're against the thing. And it's anyway, so I made the point that like, when the liberals do that, why shouldn't the socialists run right to the left of them and just say more free stuff. But essentially, all they're saying is more free stuff. And the term socialism, even the term democratic socialism actually means something if you ask some of their biggest proponents at what's the best Carson car is publication. I'm sorry, I'm blanking on the name of it. But the big democratic socialist publication that boss Carson car works for. And if you ask Professor Richard Wolff or some of these people, they'll tell you democratic socialism means is revolution. Richard Wolff was very clearly saying that employers should be outlawed, that private businesses should not be run hierarchically. Sorry if I struggled with that word. There shouldn't be a hierarchical nature to private businesses. Let's phrase it that way. But that's what it is. So, like, hey, if that's what you're saying, fine. But then people like Bernie Sanders use the term and say, I'm a democratic socialist, and by that I mean a higher minimum wage and universal health care. Well, hold on. That's a completely different thing. So, like, which one are you talking about? And why are you calling yourself that one? All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Superpower. I don't know about you, but I have many times left, like, a doctor's appointment feeling like they didn't really do anything. I'm not sure anything was improved about my health. I'm not even sure they checked. Well, if you read it, you'll see. If you really want to take your health to the next level, you've got to check out Superpower. Superpower sends a licensed professional to your home, or you can visit a nearby lab. It's one simple blood draw. It has over 100 biomarkers. That's way more than you'd usually get. So it unlocks a real understanding about your body. 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Just head over to superpower.com and use the promo code problem for $20 off your membership. Again, that promo code is problem at superpower.com. All right, let's get back into the show. And so I made that point. I made, I criticized Hassan Piker for the way he talks about Mao Zedong. I go, what's going on here? What's going on with all these guys? You know, like, and I made the point that I've made a point about, you know, I've made a point about on the show that if you looked at the British or American industrial revolution, all these socialists can talk about is how abused the workers are something exploited workers, grueling labor conditions, wage theft, evil capitalists. But when it comes to Russia or China, they go, well, I mean, hey, they did build some factories and well, you got to understand within context and sure there were excesses, but blah, blah, blah. They give, they give the most murder, the people who were the worst thing that, ever happened to the peasant class, to the pro, to the proletariat, the worst thing that ever happened to them, them somehow you have a soft spot for. So these were some points I made. I didn't feel that any of them got addressed, but Hassan Piker came out to, to respond. I will tell you guys, I did not finish watching this. I watched part of it and immediately decided I had to respond on the podcast. So we'll have, have some fun here together, but okay, let's get into some of this. Here's Hassan Piker. Hang on, please. Hang on, please. Hang on, please. I want to ask Cech a simple question. Yeah, hang on. Cech, you say that the mainstream media. Does Bill Maher still get asked about his 9-11 take? No, no one, most people don't even know about Bill Maher's 9-11 take because he said it right after 9-11. And, and the reason why no one gives a shit about it now, also because it's been a long time, is because Bill Maher is pro-Israel, Bill Maher is pro-Israel. Bill Maher is an establishment media figure. Like they're never going to fucking criticize Bill Maher. Bill Maher doesn't even get asked about saying the N-word on his HBO show. Like that was four years ago. All right. Can you just pause it here for a second? Um, cause I think we're going to, he's going to get into the Mao Zedong stuff after that. But since he mentioned the Bill Maher thing, it's just like, and this is kind of the thing Cenk was trying to do on the podcast. And it just, this just doesn't really work on me. Because, yeah, it might. It might be true that you could say to someone, hey, how come Bill Maher doesn't get asked about this? Well, it's because he's a Zionist or something. And look, like, is it true? Yeah, there's definitely some truth to that. And there's some truth to the fact that like, Howard Stern never got canceled in the, in the height of the Me Too movement, right? All you left, lefties who were really into that at the time, like you picked, didn't chose your targets also. Like, okay, there's some degree of truth to that. Also, though, like for anyone who does remember what Bill Maher did, like, I don't know. Bill Maher said and what Hasan Piker said are totally different. You know, like, whatever. I don't even give a shit. He apologized for the comment. Fine. But like, if you apologize for the comment, don't compare it to something that was a totally different comment. Bill Maher's comment. Okay, this is what Bill Maher said after 9-11 that he got he got fired for his ABC show for it. He said, he said it was George W. Bush had continued. This is the weeks after 9-11. And George W. Bush kept calling the terrorists cowards. And Bill Maher on his show, he said, you know, Bush keeps calling them cowards. I'm not sure that's the right word for them. Like, yes, they're evil. But there's something weird about calling someone who gets in a plane and flies it into a building a coward. Like, it's not, you know what I mean? And like, and then, and this is really what got him in trouble. He goes, especially when our guys lob cruise missiles from ships from a safe distance. He goes, we're going to call them the cowards. I mean, really, we're the cowards. Now, if you could imagine in the immediate weeks after 9-11, that was enough to get you fired. First of all, the nuance of just saying like, like, they're not cowards. No one was ready to hear nuance, even though he obviously had a good point. But, you know, if I could tell you someone who was 18 at the time, I remember the culture, but the idea of even implying that our troops were anything less than noble and brave and awesome, you know, like, man, implying that the terrorists were anything other than evil and cowards was rough, but implying our troops were anything other than noble and brave, that was too much. And he got fired. Now, obviously, he shouldn't have gotten fired. Because look, dude, objectively, whether you exactly agree with the statement or not, he's making a point there. He's making a point there about the level of bravery that it takes to lob a cruise missile from a comfortable distance versus being willing to die for your cause. You know, I mean, however you feel about that, he's making a point. What Hassan Piker said is that we deserved 9-11. Now, just to be very clear, again, and this is why I think both Cenk and I think Hassan have a little bit of trouble dealing with me on this issue. Because look, I'm the guy who makes the blowback argument. I get what Hassan was trying to say. But he's such an idiot leftist, that he's got such a collectivist mind state that all he can think about is like, America bad and them good or which side is good, which side is bad. And so whereas if you heard it come out of my mouth, you would always hear it come out as like, our foreign policy of slaughtering innocent people in far away poor countries, radicalized young men to want to come over here and slaughter a bunch of our people. But that is such a different statement from saying they deserved not like, because if you say deserved, are you implying that like, the lady, in that building deserved to burn to death? Because no, she fucking didn't. And yes, that is a horrible thing to say. Now, if you want to apologize for that, fine. But don't compare that to a statement about the courage of different type of fighters. Like that's just a totally different thing. And I'm sorry, if you want to walk away from that state. Yeah, you made a stupid statement that doesn't make any sense at all. And no one would ever even make the mistake of making that that statement unless they had such a fucking already convoluted, incoherent worldview, where somehow innocent people were, by the way, the same innocent world, the same worldview that we object to about the Israelis, the exact same ones that a people can deserve a thing. Okay, all right, you made a mistake. But don't equate that with something else that's totally different. Like, listen, Bill Maher is guilty of a million things. But that statement that you're talking about was not collectivizing innocent people and condemning them to death and saying they deserved it. And that is a little bit more than just a mistake. That is a mistake you will not find us stumbling into on this podcast, much like praising Mao Zedong. Jacobin. Yes, thank you, Natalie. Jacobin magazine was the publication I was looking for. Okay, let's, let's, let's go back to Hassan here. And I think now we're going to start to get into some now stuff. That's kind of the point, Ben. That's kind of the point that Jake is trying to address here, where it's like, these guys say fucking awful shit. You know? Okay, but as Dave said, the mindset, which goes out of its way to minimize the actions of the most genocidal monster in the history of planet Earth is very concerning. And as your nephew's star rises, and he gets a big feature in Rolling Stone magazine, and becomes the face of the progressive left, and so on, it is completely legitimate to ask why he would seek to minimize what Mao Zedong did. And as your nephew's star rises, and becomes the face of the progressive left, and so on, it is completely legitimate to ask why he would seek to minimize what Mao Zedong did. about. Well, okay, let me take a step back. I suppose I've got this wrong. i i suppose i've got it all wrong what am i even talking about he's saying now that he is not minimizing okay all right let's hear yeah as as you call in the um in the episode itself which i said very clearly you know uh uh jank at one point uh kind of accused the group which i guess was including me of like trying to cancel hassan to be very clear here i'm not trying to cancel hassan i'm trying to debate hassan piker that's what this episode is ultimately going to be setting up for a call to a debate i'm not trying to silence him i'm trying to as the lefties say platform him um or have him platform me or whatever you want to say but i'm not trying to silence him i'm trying to get him to stake out his position here so we can have an honest debate about what the position exactly is but right now he's telling me i got it all wrong what am i even talking about what is he minimizing so let's keep playing maybe let me take him at his word here i want to hear the position let's play yeah he should be murdered on the spot or something like that or something like what the fuck i'm like yeah no it's it's awesome they should have they should have killed more sparrows like what they didn't kill enough sparrows okay those pests they should have been they should have they should have been killing more more sparrows more pests should have been killed they didn't go hard enough on the on the on the rightest forces in the country the cultural revolution was was was not finished you know the job is not done like what the fuck okay so so here let's pause it real quick so for those of you guys if if you don't float in like these retarded commie circles he's kind of mocking the idea now that i'm accusing him of being some type of now as communist like yeah that's my position is what they didn't kill enough birds for you guys if you don't understand what he's going oh they didn't go hard enough against the reactionaries there's you know he's like this was a big part of meh was um a um great leap forward was the the war on sparrows it's really retarded uh shit but it's like millions of people starved as a result of it um i i don't know but whatever but it's okay so he's kind of mocking the idea that i'm accusing him of being a male apologist or something like that anyway let's keep playing the bird lobby's gonna clip your ass the bird lobby's gonna clip your ass it's it's a strange phenomena because like this goes back to what i was talking about with respect to like even if you don't like china you should probably understand china and understanding the people's republic of china revolves around understanding mao zedong revolves around understanding the conditions that china was facing when the revolution took place when the civil war happened the the uh the the japanese invasion of china like all of this stuff is very important historically okay and and i don't think you it's not even about nuance necessarily in this in this moment it's more so just like the the idea from their perspective is like no you don't understand mao like deliberately engineered a famine so he could kill people like so he could kill as many chinese people as possible and then he loved it so much and then he was like you should you guys should also go and like you know the red guard should go and like murder people for doing math and also hasan likes all of that like that is the argument that they're presenting here where where the argument is like mao zedong was like oh we did it guys we defeated the japanese we won this uh civil war kmt's been purged okay and now you know the long march is complete now what's our next step murdering people in the countryside by trying to engage in rapid industrialization and also murdering as many murdering as many sparrows as possible so here just pause it for a second we just pause it okay and you can take this down for a second like i mean you're not that far off see he goes he starts with again imagine this being the starting point he starts with these guys are saying i'm minimizing hitler's atrocities like what are you even talking about guys like yeah if i were there that i would be like like oh yeah we should make auschwitz even bigger blah blah blah i'm not minimizing his atrocities at all it's just like what do you guys think that like you got to understand the context there was world war one there was the treaty of versailles also like what do you think hitler just wanted to kill jews like he just woke up one day like oh my god like what is any of this i mean he did it he did it yes mao se tong killed more people than hitler and stalin combined he did all of that well what do you mean about the claim of his mind state i thought you just said it was crazy to think you were minimizing the guy that sure seems to be what you're teeing up here let's keep playing tell me more about mao the history i should understand you're a famine that kills millions okay this is awesome this is like what we want to do and then and of course like right after that they were like oh thank god we did that it's so awesome and the remaining uh the the remaining chinese population was like thank you for doing this this was awesome this was uh this was a really fun endeavor and also now i am in 2026 being like i approve of all of this it's crazy okay so let's let's just pause it for a second here so let's just because it's as he's saying it's crazy you know the one thing you might notice he's not doing is just staking out what his position is and this was the entire point of what i was saying so what is your position because it sure does seem like as he's saying it's crazy while doing the thing he's accusing you saying is crazy are you arguing that mao didn't intentionally kill people is that what he's saying here that people act like mao committed an intentional genocide but he didn't please say that if that's what you're trying to say because to be clear this is an interesting claim here right to be clear mao did again wow by the way i mean a point to you guys may notice those of you who watch some of my contact content when have i had to get into this debate about intentionality before oh yeah this is the argument that the zionists make that they're not intentionally killing civilians it's not intentional well okay let's get down to the bottom of that first of all mao killed millions of people intentionally intentionally meaning murdered them sent them to death camps where they were worked to death chinese were worked to death in death camps or work camps whatever you want to call it they died there from working by the hundreds of thousands of people who were working to death in death camps they were executed by the millions now it is true that his economic policies starved many more tens of millions of people to death but what are we really talking about here you know again so this is essentially what mao se tong did right and um by the way uh it's uh it's funny because he's sitting here and telling people to like read books about this or whatever um and i am not claiming to be the most well-read guy on on china and in fact like some of the people who uh i'd say this there's far like better well-read people to really give you a history of mao uh hasan clearly has never read one non-commy source i'll say that much not one non-commy source there's uh you know there's a book uh there's a book called uh mao's great famine excellent book uh by the way it was written by uh some dutch guy i'm blanking on his name it was a really good book and they go through uh the archives of the provinces as well as like the cities and some of the counties and they go through the punishment that that that the uh mao's uh um you know status plans came with all types of torture brutality absolutely just murdered anybody who would speak up against the regime this dude was you know he was a guerrilla fighter he was he was running the torture programs before he took over the whole country um but so essentially what they did right during the the great leap forward um um is they so they collectivized all of the farmland meaning the state took over ownership of everything of everything and they went they went from farm to farm to farm and kicked all of the peasant farmers off of their farms and they did their pots and pans they they took everything and they forced them onto these like huge collectivized farms and then all of the grain that everyone produced was to go right to the state and if people were caught hoarding any grain of their own or trying to trade on their own they were murdered or tortured by the way one of the things mao se tong really loved was torture for the sake of torture so he would at times torture people to get confessions that implicated other people he knew it was a phony confession he knew the other people weren't implicated but he'd torture that guy to get the confessions to go torture all these guys just to show his power he wrote all about this you know this is his whole you know political power comes out of the barrel of a gun thing It was like violence leads to power. Violence for violence's sake leads to power. Intentional. But talking about the other, so then he collectivizes all the farms, right? And this is goddamn proven in the record. People start, as you can imagine, everyone starts starving to death. You're not producing grain anymore. And every successful farmer has been, you know, accused of being a greedy capitalist or something like that. So anyone who's good at producing food has probably already been tortured and killed. So then you're well aware that people are starving to death as this is going on. You know it's not working, but you keep doing it because, again, Hassan can say, oh, what was his mentality? That was so great. Let's keep doing it. Well, no, I mean, I understand you think like a child, but no, that's not exactly his mentality. His mentality is something about how he'll be the great leader who rose China up. And then when his plan is resulting in starving people to death, he has to cover that up and have all of his state-run newspapers in the cities. Lie and tell you how great it's going. OK, because the bird thing, I don't know if you guys know about this is 1958, the sparrow thing that that Hassan keeps, you know, kind of jokingly bringing up that was designed to cover the tracks of how bad this socialist system was going. So what happened is people started starving to death and then he started saying it was the sparrows, you know, because now you got one communist madman who's in charge of a country. It's just he's making all the decisions now. Right. So he decides it's the sparrows. That's why people are starving to death. It's these damn sparrows keep eating all of the crops. And that's why we don't have enough food. So he now with the entire collectivized enslaved economy, this is all Maoism was, was enslaving the entire country. Literally, you didn't get to pick your job. They put a gun to your head and said, you now work in this collective farm. You now work in this factory. You didn't get to pick anything. Total enslavement of the population. So he decides to have everybody start killing the sparrows. But he's such a. Fucking retard that he doesn't understand that the pharaohs kill the insects that do this other thing that all is big ecology that result, you know, like, I don't understand this shit either, but I'm also not a communist dictator who's telling you to just go kill one species of bird. And so it resulted in this goddamn catastrophe where millions more people starve to death. Now, if you want to call that unintentional, Netanyahu's got a beachfront property to sell you in Gaza. It's about as unintentional as what Netanyahu just did. To Palestine, it's unintentional like that. You know, like I come into your house, I put a gun to you and your family's head and I force you to get into my basement and then everybody starving to death in my basement because there's not enough food. I'm well aware of it. And I go, fuck them. Let them starve to death. That's what Mao Zedong did. Said in his own words, he could lose half his population as long as he achieved his goals. That's who you're you're saying that wasn't intentional. And again, he has no idea what we're talking about when we say you're minimizing this. But that's the minimization of it, obviously. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Trollco. Let me tell you about a brand that actually gets it. Trollco was built by two guys from the oil patch who were sick of clothing companies pretending blue collar workers didn't exist. 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Is this on mute or is he just not talking? This all came up because you were a drunk, Sean. Sorry. I know. I know. Like the tortured logic behind connecting me to like atrocity propaganda is so, so weird. I don't know how to, like, I don't know how to respond to it. I'm like, I don't, like, I have no, like, I don't know what you want me to say. If you want me to say, like, no, he was a bad guy. He's the worst guy. He's the most genocidal guy. It's like, that's a fucking ridiculous statement. If you want me to give you a pause it right there. That's what we're talking about. I know you don't know. You don't because you don't know stuff. You think that's a ridiculous statement. No, it's not. Look, objectively speaking, he's the worst. He killed more than anybody else. But subjectively speaking, look, I mean, this isn't really even a left right thing. You could be a pretty far right wing guy and still acknowledge that Hitler's Nazi Germany was a catastrophe. You could be a pretty far left wing person and still recognize that Stalin's Russia was a catastrophe. This is, you know, there's I don't know what is there in the world. There's like 170 sovereign states or something like that over the history. There's been like hundreds and hundreds of different sovereign states, like three of them or four of them have ever gone this bad. It's like amongst the there is just no question that it's amongst the worst, most he's amongst the worst, most brutal, most intentional genocidal leaders of all time. Now, I think like I would say he is the worst. I think if you were taking that work, like I'd argue it's like arguing Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player of all time. I think that's the correct argument. But someone else could take LeBron. Someone else could take Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You know what I'm saying? Like someone else. But there's only. There's only a few who you could take. You run out of names real quick before you get to them. And he's like, no, you cannot say that one's worse. It's him, Stalin and Hitler. Maybe you want to squeeze Pol Pot into the conversation or something. And if you're really being generous, I'll throw the North Koreans in there. But that's about it. Like the most brutal genocidal leaders of all freaking time. You know, OK, if you want to get into Genghis Khan and the way he conducted war and go. But like, no. So to just say here, oh, what do you want me to say? He was like. He was like a genocidal awful guy. That's ridiculous. No, it's not. And that's the minimization. And by the way, if someone said the exact same thing about Adolf Hitler, you would very clearly see that you're minimizing it. Right. OK, so that's the point we're making. Again, read one thing about now not written by a communist. Here, let's keep playing. Truthful analysis like there were a lot of excesses, a lot of excesses that led to millions of deaths. OK, OK, pause it. And this is a pause it. OK, Hassan, there were a lot of excesses in Gaza. OK. There were a lot of excesses in Gaza. Am I minimizing it or am I really accurately describing what happened there? You tell me. You tell me the excesses, the excesses for the mass murders. All right. Let's keep playing. A consistent toll with rapid industrialization and collectivization that took place in in the aftermath of. Every successful communist revolution, pretty much every successful communist revolution. And part of that is because that collectivization and the industrialization didn't happen with 400 years of colonial exploitation and chattel slavery. And there were a tremendous, a tremendous. Oh, OK, so pause it. Pause it. Oh, so that's oh, Jesus Christ, is that rich? Oh, so the only reason why. OK, OK. So the reason now this is the cope chattel slavery and imperialism. So that's why Mao had to torture all those people who spoke up against his political program. You know, it's just it's because the West, the West had these advantages of imperialism and and chattel slavery. I mean, look, I don't even know what imperialism he'd be talking about exactly in America. I mean, like there was some imperialism in South America and stuff. But you're talking about imperialism, like pre-industrial revolution revolution. It's a pretty tough argument. I mean, obviously, with the British and the French, they were empires for a long time, but not America. So that's not really the thing. Slavery. Connect that dot for me. You know, like like even like in America. Right. Like, I don't know as much about England, but in America, right. Like the industrialization happened in the north. Draw me a straight line between where slavery gave us a bigger advantage. Well, hold on. There's one other difference that I could maybe think of. I mean, I'm sure it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that in the British and American industrial revolution, the factories were owned by businessmen. And in the Chinese and Russian industrial revolution, they were owned by the central government. Maybe. That has something to do with the power that the government had to starve tens of millions of people to death. Yeah. you know if a capitalist in england or in in america wanted to get farm workers to come work at their factory they had to offer them wages for it mao zedong could just put a gun to their head and collectivize all the farms do you think that might have had something to do with why there was mass starvation and brutal authoritarianism there that the government ran everything nah it was probably just something white men did it's just like does this appeal to anyone except like 16 year old girls who are mad at their dad all right let's keep playing for tremendous amounts of mistakes along the way right right thank you that's big of you to admit hasan none of this is i don't think this is like a i don't know i mean this is just an analysis of what took place without just like i don't know without just being like mao personally did this because he just hates people he hates chinese people he wanted to kill as many as he could you know like that is simply put the major difference between adolf hitler and someone like mao zedong but i sir i think part of the reason why this this uh is a a talking point is because they want to like they want to say like mao did a genocide on purpose pause it for most people yes listen mao did a genocide on purpose it's a historical fact this thing that they're doing and and god damn i gotta say it is and i know you guys have seen it it's identical to the zionists it's identical where they just they will insist that our motives are pure your motives are not this is this is what literally the opening of the debate what dennis prager said to me and janky ugar one side wants peace and the other side wants war you know the thing about it is like they do this all the time it's a it's a it's a game that liberals and leftists just love to play they do it all through through uh covet you know the difference is that fauci just wants to heal people they they take their group of people and then they take their group of people and then they take their group of if they're doing the policy that they want their motives are cannot be impugned mao dude the guy was like a torturous madman a complete like one of the most sadistic people who ever lived loved the suffering of others but no what do you think he did it just because he hated china or like somehow it would be okay you could you could murder a whole lot of people if you had your heart in the right place again this is the whole world this is how hasan justifies himself being a good guy even though he's a rich kid who's a multi-millionaire and lives this extravagant life because i have the good intentions i fight for the poor i'm not fighting for myself as he takes another vanity spread you know you know the thing about analyzing intentions is they're a little bit tricky right it's a little bit tough to analyze anyone's motivations but the idea that like this is the the um there's really something here that's the essence of something that leftists do where no matter how brutal a leftist regime goes they were misguided mistakes were made there were excesses but if a right-winger does something then they wanted to do it and it was intentional and that's the difference don't you dare just measure the amount of people that they've killed don't you dare for one second you know all right guys let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show which is cowboy colostrum summer is here and if you want to actually feel confident less bloated and more energized you got to start with your gut and nothing's better for that than cowboy colostrum cowboy colostrum offers the highest quality bovine colostrum available in the united states it's a hundred percent made in america from 100 american grass-fed cows and unlike other colostrum brands cowboy is true first day whole colostrum rich in bioactives and growth factors and don't worry cowboy colostrum only collects the surplus colostrum after the baby calves have had their fill so you don't have to have a 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they can be like oh he's like shitting on israel because they're they're you know it's the jewish state like he's actually the real genocide supporter the the genocide that mal did or something you know what i mean yeah well it's well pause yeah i do i do know what you mean and the thing is that it's not that much different you know i mean look it's the the it's not as bad because the genocide that you're talking about is actually happening right now it's being done to real people by people in power right now and so the people championing that of course are kind of worse um you know as i've said for years it's worse to support what israel is doing in gaza than it is to deny that hitler genocided the jews but he did and if you deny it you're still denying something that happened in history as you're doing right now what you're doing is indistinguishable from the people who deny hitler's genocide it's the exact same thing it's in fact it's literally what they say it's literally what they say that it there were excesses that it wasn't intentional you know the numbers are exaggerated it's all the same you would say literally and in fact they claim they starved in the camps it's literally what the what the holocaust and i are saying they starved it wasn't intentional it was just starvation it was economic planning i suppose anyway let's keep playing man he takes a while also going to point out that the violent industrialization efforts were a response to severe technological embargoes we put on china then the the then poorest country in the world yeah especially after literally a genocide that the chinese people withstood in the hands of the japanese which we pardoned the war criminals who were responsible for doing the genocide like when people talk about mao zedong being this like genocidal warlord monster or whatever no there was a real genocide that took place it was a real genocide there was a real genocide there was a real genocide that was bigger in industrial scale and also equivalent in in the the intentionality of that japan did to china to the chinese population like there is a genocide that took place but americans don't know it for americans don't know does he i mean dude this guy's like i don't know man he needs to like detox and like clear his brain out so what is he saying he said there was a real genocide that was industrial scale okay and equally intentional equally intentional to what mao's genocide i thought you just said it wasn't intentional was his intentional but this one's equally intentional but it was larger in scale okay it was equally intentional and it was about a fifth in scale you don't know what the you're talking about yes the japanese invaded japan and they were brutally killed something like 10 million people i think the estimates are 10 to 15 million people the estimate of how many mao killed is like 40 to 100 million no it was not bigger no it was not it was also intentional but it was like around a fifth of the size of his bag what are you talking about dude like crack a book all right let's keep playing in in the the intentionality of that japan did to china to the chinese population like there is a genocide that took place but americans don't know americans don't know about that either like that was an actual genocide okay so pause it again and the people that was an actual genocide so like my god so are you saying now didn't commit genocide you started this by by gasping not understanding what the claim that you're minimizing this was now you're saying he didn't listen again if your claim is that a lot of people think mao committed genocide but he didn't then just put it back in the book you're saying he didn't commit genocide why is this why is this unreasonable for me to say then just own that claim but you started this by going date like for example right let's say there's someone who didn't commit a genocide not now not a good example but let's pick someone who didn't right someone who didn't commit a genocide but everyone was under the impression that they did and i was saying no he didn't and then someone on a show said he's minimizing you know the genocide that this guy committed i wouldn't go what is he even talking about i have no idea what he's referring to before i said i don't think he did commit a genocide just come out and say it you're saying that was a real genocide An actual genocide was committed. But then a second ago, you just said they were equal in intentionality. I don't know. Is it not reasonable for me to say, can you guys just say what your fucking position is and then own it so we can argue? Committed that genocide. We pardoned so that we could take all of their their research on on biological warfare, the research that we then deployed in Korea, where we did what I would consider and what many others would consider a genocide. Oh, we did. OK, that's a genocide to Korea is a genocide. Japan invading China is a genocide. But what now did is not a genocide. You going to get into that at some point, actually make the argument why? Nah, just kind of feels, bro. Which is crazy. And I'm curious whether you as his uncle have an answer to that question. Again, we don't speak for one another, so I don't like. Like my attitude on. Now, as a dong is not dissimilar to like every other every other non genocidal. Figurehead throughout history where there's like there's a lot of violence that took place, you have to look at why said instances of violence took place. OK, like and does it here pause it for a second others? Wow, dude, that's really that's really deep. I look at. Now, like every non genocidal leader, there was violence and you got to look at why violence is taking place. OK, but does it ever fuck with you that more people died under his rule than under anyone else's ever in the history of the world? Because that jumps off the page, like, are you denying the numbers? Is this on actually denying the numbers because they don't like, like even in the like, the numbers are just so great. In Mao's China, like the the estimations are like between 40 to 100 million people died. Like, so, you know, like I know, like in the debate with with the, you know, like people who say the Holocaust revisionists, you know, if you want to go down a rabbit hole of like the David Irving stuff, which I have, but I don't find particularly useful, I'm not recommending it. But if you want to go down that rabbit hole at the end of it, David Irving is essentially arguing that, like three to four million Jews died, not six million. And that it was like Hitler didn't give the order himself or something like that. But there you're disputing over like a few minutes. But when you get to Mao Zedong, what is he even claiming? Like the lowest estimates are like 40 million people. Like no matter what you think the numbers are, they're the highest ever. You're just not going to get to numbers that high. There is absolutely no way using the most modest estimates of how many died under Mao and the highest end of how many died under Hitler. You get Hitler touching Mao. It just doesn't happen. I mean, unless I suppose if you're going to say that the entire Second World War and all the deaths in war. But if we're talking about we're obviously here, we're doing apples to apples. We're saying not dying in war. We're saying dying at the hands of their own government. Because that is, you know, somewhat of a different category. So, yeah, I mean, he's an even Hitler, right? Like the war is usually not what people think of as his worst. It's the genocide because there's something different about like killing your own people who you're responsible for. You're responsible for not combatants in an in a conflict anyway. Yeah. So so you just treat him like any other regular old leader. Like, does that make sense to you? Do you? He is saying, I look at Mao Zedong the way I look at any non-genocidal leader. Yeah, there was some violence there. So that's Hassan's analysis here that, you know, are you talking about Sweden and 19? You know, are you talking about Sweden? In the year 2015? Or are you talking about London in 1995? Are you talking about New York City in 1979? Are you talking about Mao Zedong's China? They're all kind of like similar experiences, similar leadership, a little bit of violence there. You know, I mean, come on. How stupid is this? Know what I mean? And those guys literally had slaves. And committed genocide on the indigenous population. Yeah, look at the good and the bad, you know. And tonight, the scandal surrounding Dr. Anthony Fauci continues to unravel now as newly released text messages. Come on, bro. Get to Larkin. Get to Larkin. What the fuck? I thought I. There was one part. This is not still all of this is not the clip that I saw earlier. So let's let's keep playing. Oh, my Lord. Yeah, it is also not. The irony is not lost on me that fucking comedian Dave Smith's entire output is like railing. Against cancel culture. And here he is literally doing that to be like, well, I don't really fully grasp what you're trying to say about Mao. So I think you should be canceled for that. I mean, just pause it. Pause it right there. I mean, dude, it is just I don't know. I it's it's cute when Hassan rubs all his brain cells together to try to get me in a contradiction. I have not spent all of my time railing against cancel culture. And I in. No way called for Hassan to be canceled. I'm calling for you to fucking coherently state what your fucking position is, dude. Again, as I said earlier, I'm trying to share a platform with you are calling to cancel you. And it's just like the cheapest, dumbest thing ever. You're minimizing the most brutal dictator in the history of the world. And I'm calling you out for that. I'm not calling for you to get kicked off of a social media platform or banned from everything. I'm not. I'm not even running from a debate. I'm trying to debate the topic. What an idiotic attempted point that was. Oh, yeah. Comedian Dave Smith. He's against cancel culture, but now he's for cancel it. No, just no. There is absolutely nothing that I'm against that I'm like in favor of in this situation. I'm for embarrassing people with bad ideas who don't know what they're talking about. Still very consistently. Let's keep playing my wife's a great great when Lindy Lee was younger. She protested in favor of mouse China and railed against what she called slander against communist China. It wasn't until she did a right wing pivot that she claims Mao is evil. Yeah, she's a huge grifter. She also was a Bernard sister. She she did the right wing pivot being like the anti Bernie the anti Bernie like Democrat and now she's like full-blown right wing grifter. I don't care. And parents on both sides grandfathers on both sides were in Chiang Kai-shek's army. They were generals in that army. They fought now, right? Yeah, this is true. My aunt is literally from Taiwan. So, okay, but you put family aside. I just don't agree with that. But guys, I don't agree with Tucker's positions on feminism. That doesn't mean I'm going to reject them as an ally in the anti-war movement in the American sovereignty movement. So like you guys are doing cancel culture. But remember, cancel culture. All of us, but you don't agree with him on now. I don't agree with him on now. So what? No, no, no. But it's it's not again, the point I was getting at. It's not to smear him or to cancel it. I just want people to stake out their positions clearly. And look, I get your point. Yeah, here. Do you want my position? I don't think we should do the great leap forward in America. I don't think we should do the cultural revolution. I'm not a Maoist. Well, okay. All right, fine. So pause it right there. Yeah, okay. Well, all right, fine. That's a good starting point. But I was more talking about staking out your position on Mao Zedong and what happened there. And you clearly did stake out that position, at least to some degree here, that it wasn't intentional and it wasn't a genocide. Am I making this up, guys? Did he just say it wasn't intentional and it wasn't a genocide, right? Pretty clear. We got him on record for that. Okay, so that's it. But hey, you're saying we shouldn't do the great leap forward here. But just to be clear here, I don't think this is unreasonable for me to ask him to stake out his position. You gave me a little bit more here, even sarcastically. Are the communists out there listening? He does not believe in a great leap forward. Okay, good. Decent starting point. Anyway, let's keep going. Not only am I not a Maoist, but I don't think that you could do a Maoist formation in this country anyway. You could do a Maoist revolution in this country in any case. Right, but what are you for? Like, what the fuck? What? Okay, pause it. Okay, but then so what do you want to do? Okay, if you couldn't do a Maoist version of socialism, but what version is it that you do want to do? Again, I'm saying stake out your position and you're going, I'm not for Maoism. Okay. what the fuck okay what's your position anyway let's keep playing okay there it is like that's my position oh no oh no brother like i think i probably agree with almost everything you said in that rant it just never addressed like my concern and like so listen like what is your concern that you think i'm gonna make people like you you think there's gonna be a like a significant shortage in like grain that is underreported by provincial leadership back to the uh central committee and that like millions will die in the process at a time when you know there's not a lot of uh there's not great technology not not great technological leaps and bounds like what like what do you what do you what is the argument here what do you think is my secret mystery position okay let's pause it here i i think you're a radical socialist who believes that the government should own um the means of production and essentially all businesses and that you'll keep working toward that goal and and my concern is that there's nothing but totalitarian nightmares on the other side of that and that you can look at Mao Zedong the fact that you can look at Mao Zedong like let's just flip this around real quick i mean obviously Hassan if somebody were to look at Adolf Hitler if somebody were to look at Benjamin Netanyahu the same way that you are sitting here talking about Mao Zedong minimizing saying it wasn't intentional it wasn't a genocide you guys just don't understand the context i want a different version of what his form of government was you would have some concerns about that no one would have to explain to you further why you would have those concerns you're doing the exact same thing you're doing the exact same thing what are my concerns i'm sorry like me and and this entire country we watched every advocate of universal health care openly muse and joke about how me and my family should be turned away from the emergency room if we ever need help because we made a medical decision that was correct what are you talking about i literally watched people like you champion the fact that we locked down the entire country and put people essentially on house arrest didn't made it illegal for them to have funerals for their father i watched you champion that i watched as i warned about instituting apartheid medical apartheid for an experimental vaccine and you mocked my concerns over it so yes what i'm saying is that you you are a very dim-witted unimpressive authoritarian and i think you you will excuse away the most evil regime of all time and that that tells me that you'd excuse away a whole lot of evil it's pretty straightforward all right let's keep playing i mean i think we're closer to that becoming a reality under donald trump ironically enough in 2026 which is far more impressive you know that's like with with our current surplus of food we could still engineer a famine here that's how bad donald trump is and these dumb fucks are talking about mal dude what the fuck is lee as you know i'm not the guy who's trying to smear someone for being an anti-war critic and of course you know that i know that of course a huge percentage of the opposition to your nephew and to mom donnie and all of this is just blatant israel supporters who want to ruin him over that and then we'll find any other thing they can to discredit them i mean that is true though that's literally true come on point is that hassan has also given him a ton of low-hanging fruit and i'm asking the question about the mentality here because brother yeah you're saying it's working on me like yeah it's working on me it is working on me i am with you if you're talking about our money funding a pause it for a second no i'm not saying it's working that's not what low-hanging fruit means dude you gotta stop streaming so many hours and just fucking read books and listen and think about shit that's not what that means saying you're giving them a lot of low-hanging fruit doesn't mean it's working it means you're making it work you are making it work saying you're giving them a lot of low-hanging fruit means you're giving them a lot of easy shit to criticize to make reasonable people go oh yeah fuck it this guy's crazy this guy's out of his fucking mind which he is what do you mean yes obviously a lot of the people who want to ruin you just want to ruin you because you're a critic of israel and they'd like to ruin you over something else also you're making their job very easy when you're sitting there minimizing the worst most genocidal dictator of all time this ain't rocket science let's keep playing genocide or fighting a stupid war on behalf of a foreign country that is bankrupting and destroying our country and i'm with you on the fact that screw any of this shit i'm not going to do it i'm not going to do it i'm not going to do it any of them for getting morally outraged about anyone you sit on the corpses of innocent dead children here talk to me about any moral outrage about owned by individual die by the is a movement on the left here who is flirting with these ideas as if they are serious and i'm telling you right now jake bro bro was about to say like public ownership of key industries is the same as as mal okay that's the i realize now what he was gearing up for the argument is literally like i was jokingly saying like what do you think we're going to do the great leap forward like that literally is his argument and why is that his argument because we're talking about like nationalization of key sectors which literally already exists in social democracies that are capitalists like norway and and like moving in that direction or it happens in mexico as well moving in that direction is is actually the same as the great leap forward um okay yeah i mean that's a stupid argument at least it's somewhat of an argument if these people like i mean do you do notice right now if you pause it there right if you do notice how he just makes up an argument that isn't mine and goes that's a bad argument but it's i mean hasan just again this is why i was always surprised people up he's just really not very good at this no i'm not making the argument that nationalizing industry is the same as the great leap forward i'm making the point that the great leap forward was a huge experiment in nationalizing industry that is true it was the it was a total experiment in the state owning everything but the state owning more and more is a bad idea for the same reasons like that is not an incoherent argument it's actually a very good argument and the more specific argument that i'm making right is that you need prices for an economy to function and you can only have them when you have private ownership of the means of production a private ownership of business you cannot have them when the state owns everything and that's why you will end up with massive shortages massive inefficiencies now if the sector that you take over happens to be as in the case of now every farm then what you have shortages in and inefficiencies in is the production of food in that case people starve to death and yes if you were to collectivize the farms in america it would have all of the same economic problems that it did in china for the same reasons because the same economic laws exist here as exist there if you want to find a flaw in that argument go for it but start with the actual argument you fucking child let's keep playing different than at a time when like the fire department was privately owned okay the person making the argument that fire departments should be public instead because you know the rest of the block that didn't have fire insurance was also catching on fucking fire okay um it would be the equivalent of of yelling and complaining that this is i mean this predates communism but like it would be the equivalent of saying like no that's communism we can't have that okay yeah donald trump purchased 10 of intel that's the that he's doing it he's a liberal natural enemy of mal to be clear i mean it's just i i just love this we're talking about this is hassan piker just think of all the shit hassan piker said over the years and then look at what a bitch he is once he gets caught he's retreated to fire departments i just believe in fire departments donald trump bought 10 of a company like yes and we oppose that we oppose donald trump buying 10 of a company didn't buy a hundred percent of it that would be much worse like i i don't know what to say but that's oh that's the hassan piker position now we we went from what minimizing mao se tong and his collective ownership of everything down to oh you just want fire departments i'm sorry again like he just it's amazing how he oscillates back and forth within the few minutes of this this video that we're playing what minimizing there was no intentional genocide socialism i just want a fire department or two okay here let's let's keep playing before we wrap this up well control of our government of agriculture i'll be siding with the neocons against you because that's even worse that's even worse than the war it it's oh man he's like oh they're pulling they're pulling they're tugging on my arm here they're making me sigh with the neocons because it's far scarier to have the department of agriculture have any control over agricultural output which it currently does oh by the way it does currently but that's fine but what if they did it in a scary way like in a communist style way or fair straight is real deal state socialism the worst invention in the history of humanity by far no close second no no podcast mics come on bar none no is the sm7b sure microphone let's be real atom bomb no no no no podcast mics hitler invented the microphone yeah that's what kanye meant he was a real visionary when he said that ahead of time he was that was an anti-podcast take that wasn't a people thought he was being pro hitler but he actually meant he was all right we could stop it we could stop in here and cut this away natalie i'll wrap up i mean let me just say about this last part here and this is what i just find to be and and i think honestly i just think if you're being objective here even if and i i really mean this even if you agree with hassan piker on 100 of his political takes and you disagree with me on all of mine like mousy talk you you think now didn't commit an intentional genocide and you agree with hassan on everything else and you just think i'm like Austrian economics and my whole libertarianism is crying cranking nonsense or whatever okay fine but even you if you're just being honest you shouldn't be doing that you shouldn't be doing that you shouldn't be doing that you should admit this is so slimy what he does here it is so disingenuous that when i go um when i go hey look if you're talking about like people who believe in like true socialism worker ownership of the means of production or state ownership of the means of production or uh democratizing the workforce all these ideas that you guys talk about i go man if you ever got control of the department of agriculture now if you guys might notice we were talking about may i'll say the department of agriculture for a reason i was saying if you guys were ever going to real deal collectivize the farms i'd side with neocons over you guys no one's yanking at me hassan i assure you i just mean that because i understand what's happened every single time that's been implemented in response to this think about how dishonest this is in response to this hassan goes oh god forbid there should be an agriculture department and it has some level of dishonesty in response to this and it has some level of dishonesty in response to this hassan goes oh god forbid there should be an agriculture department and it has some level of dishonesty in response to this hassan goes oh god forbid there should be an some level of control, but what we're going to do it in a scary way. And he goes, there already is a department of agriculture. We already have this. Oh, excuse me. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize Hassan Piker was a moderate. I was under the impression that Hassan Piker was a radical socialist, basically leading on communist. Now I was under that impression because that's what he's fucking said about himself for two decades, 15 years, whatever it is that he's been here. He's always said that. He's always said that he is a radical socialist, has talked about collectivizing the means of production. But now all of a sudden, when I ask him to stand by that track record, he has to go, oh, what are you talking about? He's basically just Donald Trump, just like we should have one. Maybe they should tinker with things a little bit here or there. We're not talking about any revolution here, man. Oh, what? What are you so scared? They're going to do crazy communist stuff? Yeah. Like collectivize the ownership. Yes. That's what I'm scared of. That is the difference. It is the difference both in authoritarianism. Right. Look, if a factory worker, maybe you could argue and this is the whole problem with democratic socialism in general. Right. It's like maybe you could argue that there's some form of exploitation that like a factory owner could have on a factory worker or something like that. Right. He could pay him less. He could make the working conditions not as good as they should. Or whatever. But he can't go to the farm, have a soldier get out, put a gun to his head and say, you no longer work there. You work here. Only a government can do that. And only a government ever has done that. And also the businessmen have to trade with each other and develop prices. And that's how you economize. You don't have that. People starve. It's a disaster. If you want to argue any of that shit, fine. But all you can do in this video so far is pretend that Mao Zedong, pretend you're not minimizing his atrocities when you clearly are. And then you just do this thing, which all of the democratic socialists are doing, where you masquerade as a moderate. You just pretend to be a moderate as soon as you get called out on having to stand by any of those beliefs. And that's not cancel culture. That's just me saying you can't defend your own positions here. Don't act like you were just trying to get it there. No, we were just saying like maybe one or two more regulations. OK, if you were saying one or two more regulations, you're not going to defend your own positions. I disagree with that. But that'd be a separate argument. What you've been saying is workers of the world unite and all that shit. You've been saying that you are for collective ownership of everything. So make it very clear and say it so all your commie listeners can hear you, too, that actually that's not what you stand for. That's not at all what we're even talking about. You're just being hysterical if you even think that's part of it. Look, man, there's a there's there's a reason why people are having this reaction to this type of stuff. And I'll just say, man, after. For so long in this country, you know, it was such an effort for kind of like the new media for all of us to, like, take on all of the covid lies and all of the woke ism and all of the insanity over Russiagate and and, you know, just. All of the kind of like deep state corruption and all of this stuff. And, you know. To to after all of that, allow some of these guys who were so bad on so many of those issues to now come around and act like they've got some new idea and the new idea is what minimizing communist atrocities while arguing that we go in that direction more. I mean, I'll do everything I can to expose this shit because, man, is it poisonous? But anyway. OK. I guess in closing, we really should. I know Hassan has expressed interest in doing this before. I'm very happy to do this. You know, I had said that I wanted to do it over the computer just so we could make it happen. But maybe it is worth doing like a live thing and making it a live form thing. I'd certainly be down for that. Any moderator Hassan wants to pick, we can debate whatever he wants to. All he's got to do is lay out what his actual position is and then I'll argue against that. But I'm quite happy to argue against Democratic Socialism. And I'm happy to argue against any Democratic Socialism or any of this stuff. It's all just pure poison. And as you can see, I mean, I think as you listen to it, it's just like it's incoherent. Even as they describe it, it's kind of like they can't keep up with their last thought. So anyway, let's do it, Hassan, let's sit down. I think it'd be really cool, man. I mean, there's this big antiwar movement, I think within the antiwar movement, the critical of Israel kind of reject rejection of like neoconservatism and neoliberal foreign policy. Almost like the furthest socialist and the furthest capitalist kind of wing of that, however you want to put it, I think it'd be something that'd be really cool. I think it could be that beneficial to all of our audiences. So let's make that happen. Thanks, guys, for watching. Catch you next time. Peace. Thank you.