A república resiste – O Começo do Cerco e o Avanço até Lapa

How's your golf game? Oh, well, golf games, I'm living out in Arizona now. So get to play quite a bit. So I have no excuse that it's early in the season. I'm not playing well, but I've been in the ESPN for the last 10 days. And it hasn't been great weather. So having got to much lately. So tell me just how have you enjoyed the experience working with ESPN and doing things from a different lens? It's certainly different. First, working for ESPN is just great. I mean, it's just such a sports focus company. They treat me well. People I work with are great. So I love that aspect. Being on the other side of the camera, like I realize now that if I'd done this job, first, I probably would have been a better referee if I could have done my career after doing this because you see things, you see things and you realize that sometimes the small stuff you sweat as an official, nobody else sweats it. And then sometimes the big stuff that you don't think is that important. Actually, the hockey community really thinks it's a big deal. So you get a completely different perspective when you're no longer on the ice. What have you and I don't know, like, I feel like we have the conversation every year when it comes to officiating in the playoffs. But does it, does it feel like it's more amplified each and every year, if possible? Well, it's certainly, I mean, people, people's hair again on fire every year, this time of year. It's, if you look at my social media account, you get 16 fan bases that all think their team is getting screwed by the official. They really do. And the funny thing is, is that through the first six games of every round, it's a different crew every night. So it's not like, you know, your series got assigned this crew and they're out to get you. I mean, it's a different career every night. And then they go to another city and that fan base thinks of those same two and they go out to get them. Everything's amplified. I mean, in regular season, you get a lot of penalties that are retaliation penalties. You get lazy penalties. In playoffs, you don't get any of those really. I mean, a power play is so important that the coaches, drumsters or players, heads don't do that lazy stuff. Don't retaliate. So you end up getting guys just trying too hard or you get accidental, you know, accidental trips, accidental high six because they're just going 110%. And everything gets magnified. I mean, you know, a game in the middle of November or I choose the night, referee makes a soft call. Nobody cares about it. You got 82 games to resolve that in a seven game series. Every call means something. You know, I've been wondering about the experience as well with some of the referees today because there was a, there was a portion of time where every referee that was getting playoff games seemed to be very experienced. And then, you know, so many great officials over the last decade have retired. And now you're trying to, you know, train these guys almost on the fly. Like the other night, West McCauley, veteran referee was with Blondina, who's in his first NHL postseason for the league. How do you think that is gone and how challenging is it for these referees that are in the playoffs for the first time? Well, I think that's twofold. I think going from the old days where we had our names on our sweaters to guys not wearing helmets to now guys just having numbers and a advisor. I think, I think there's a lot more anonymity. I mean, of course, we all know West McCauley, we know Kelly Sullivan, a lot more anonymity. But there's guys that have been around the league seven, eight, nine years that people don't even really know their names. And they assume that they're just young and experienced referees. But they've been toiling in the league for quite a while. So I don't think that's that big an issue. Blondina, he is newer, but he's been on West McCauley. So I never had that advantage when I was young when I started the league. I was out there by myself. If I could have been on the ice with the old man, Kerry or Donkelharski, I mean, talk about the pressure that would have been sort of distributed between me and my partner. And I got a guy out there to sort of confide in. I mean, I'm a little bit jealous of some degree, but I think it's working fine. Go ahead, Peter. Yeah, Dave, just wanted to ask you about certain players getting a different whistle. And I want to focus like on the Canadian series here. I feel like Arbor Jacki has gotten the short end of the stick sometimes because he has that reputation as a player. That's something that officials speak about and maybe have a game plan about of approaching different players a certain way. I think that while I can only speak personally. You know players reputation. If you've been in a league long enough, you know certain players tendencies, you know certain players reputation. And I think that would that would your antenna goes up when a certain player is on the ice. I mean, everybody talks about a guy like Tom Wilson. He's an all star. He's a great hockey player, but does he deliver big hits? Some are questionable. So as a referee, much like a player, Tom Wilson's on the ice, you got to keep your head up as a referee. You're like, okay, my antenna's going up. Tom Wilson's on the ice, which might mean you don't want to miss something, but you're certainly not going to pick on a player. You're not going to pre judge a player. You're not going to call a play differently because it's Arbor Jacki. You just know like after the whistle, he's a tough guy. He's the guy looks out for his teammates. He's a policeman. He's a good player. He's a tough player. So you want to make sure you don't miss something, but you're not going to call a play differently because it's Arbor Jacki. At least that's my opinion. You call what you see, and it doesn't matter who the player is. Who are some of the guys you had your antenna up for? Say that again. Who are some of the guys that, when you're a referee, you had the extra antenna. You're paying extra attention because you know they might do like your generation. Was it Darcy Tucker's? Oh, Patrick Collett with my guy. When I started, when I started, we had Bob Provert. We had Nick Kipprius. We had going into like the tydomi, Darcy Tucker, Matthew Barnaby. It was his murderous role. I think it changed a lot since then, but my antenna was up all night, every night back in the 90s. Chatting with Dave Jackson, it's Campbell versus Gallowand TSN 690, longtime NHL referee, Dave. And I know this is with a lot of viewing of the Tampa Bay Montreal series, but how hard is it for the referees when there is as much embellishment as there seems to be from the players right now? Well, it's not just Montreal campus series. And that's sort of what I alluded to earlier. Every fan base sort of gets locked into what's happening in their series and they think that the team is playing their team is guilty of all this and Bella. I've seen a lot of games. I mean, I've worked 20 games just as the playoffs has started. And I'm paying close attention, obviously I'm getting paid to work the game. I don't see it being any worse in the top of the Montreal series than it is in any other series. I think players play the game. Players, it bothers me when fans accuse the player of embellishing when it's a stick up near their face. I mean, I play Birley Hawke. When a stick comes anywhere near my face, I throw my head back. We don't even have referee. Me too. So I'm not trying to draw a penalty. I'm wearing a full shield when I play when I play Birley, I'm wearing a full shield and I snap my head back. Right. It's a natural reaction, right? You're not trying to draw a penalty. You just try self-preservation. You don't want to lose an eye. So I think fans are too quick to jump on a player for embellishment when it's a high stick. I just think, you know, if you've ever played the game like you guys have, you can hit with a stick in the face. Hello, Canada. This is Brian Adams Radio. I hosted by Brian Adams himself. We'll play a few of mine, a ton of my favorites, and some must hear behind the scenes stories from the world of rock and roll. I'm coming to get you. One thing I'm about to do rock and roll so long is you end up meeting a lot of the people that you admire. Sometimes you even get to work with him. Brian Adams Radio. Now available on the free IHR radio app. Everybody, how are you tonight? Sounds great. It hurts. And it really stuns you, especially when you're not expecting it. So probably that. Yeah. Still, you know, we, and even we saw the instance with Crosby and the Flyers Penguin series where Crosby's called an embellishment when he hadn't taken that penalty his entire career in Pittsburgh hadn't taken one all year. Yeah. Yeah. And Sydney Crosby is from my experience, real class act. One of the, one of the best guys out there with a lot of respect for Sid. You know, Dave, I was, I was wondering yesterday watching the Havs Game because it happened twice. And I know this is so random, but two players on Montreal played the puck with a broken stick. Look, I remember that used to be a penalty, but I don't remember it ever seeing it enforced. Lane Hudson yesterday flipped the puck over the glass because his stick was compromised. So it's such an odd play. Do you remember ever calling that penalty? Yes. And a lot of times it would be a player that sometimes didn't even realize his stick was broken. Maybe in the corner type of thing in the blade which snap, but he's sort of reaching in and playing. It's not something referees want to call it. It's very similar to a player playing without a helmet on everybody thinks that the player's helmet comes off. He's got to immediately either put it back on or leave the ice. That's not the case. Referees are not, it's not something that they want to call. They just don't want you to defy them, meaning if you're engaged in the play and you're battling and your helmet comes off and you're still battling, you're allowed to continue until you're no longer engaged with the puck. And it's sort of the same thing. If you're playing with a stick and it snaps, if you're playing with a back, you're going to get a second or two of common sense by the official. You know, guy obviously didn't realize his stick was broken. As soon as he did, he dropped it. probably won't receive it, Emily. Dave, we try to dissect player performances all the time on this show. And we we try to break down what went wrong in a specific shift. And we seem to have a pretty good pulse on that. But when it comes to the officiating thus far in the NHL playoffs, how have you felt the pulse has been for those referees? Do you think they've handled the big moments overall well or or have they struggled at times? Games I've watched, I think they've handled them well. The games I've worked at handle them well. And going back to what we said earlier, every every call that in the middle of November, who wouldn't even elicit a fan reaction, every call now does. And you the referees are kind of in a no-win situation. If they call the penalty, you've got the fan base saying the teams being picked on it. They let it go. Then they're saying, well, they're just letting their team get away with everything. I thought the officiating last night was great to be honest. We can debate a miss call here or there. But the referees' job is to keep the game fair and safe. And I thought last night they were a non-factor in the result. And that's as an official, that's really all you want to be. You want to do your job and be a non-factor and not be talking about the referees the next day. And I don't think anybody's really talking about them this morning after last night's game. Completely agree. And you know, the one thing I'll add is you mentioned the term miss call, right? And for me, I tend to never get upset about a miss call. The calls I get upset about are the phantom calls more than the miss calls, because I always say, if the referee didn't see it for sure, if it didn't happen, you can't make a call. So those are the ones that bothered me as a fan. And you have every right to be bothered by those. I supervise college hockey, the NCHC division one. And I tell the referees that constantly, don't guess. I can live with a miss call way easier than I can live with you calling something that you guessed on. You were wrong. The team got scored on. Like, you know, the consequence of guessing and guessing wrong is much more severe than just missing something. If you're not sure, don't call it. Which brings us to the one and final play I want to ask you about game five, Anaheim Edmonton, over time. I think everybody, everybody would agree that common sense says that that was a goal and over time for Anaheim. However, the shot of the officials all so far away from the play and calling it a goal on the ice, which means you can't reverse it in video review unless you are 100% sure. Dave, how do you see that whole play? Well, that was definitely a tough play. I went on the point, yes, Penn, Sean explained it. Referee was not in that position for where he needed to be at that time on the play. He's about 20 feet from the net. He's not watching the puck. We've sort of trained the referees to not be puck focused. You don't want to watch in the pocket missing across check or missing a high thick in the slot. So he's focused on the players and I think the puck squeaking through the goal tenders legs. I think that caught him by surprise. But he was unobstructed. He was 20 feet from the net. Now, I don't know if he saw it or not. The call on the ice was he saw it. He said it was a goal. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he saw it squeak across the line because I know as a referee from experience, you see things happen and then you see in your head, what did I just see? Was that the puck across the goal line? I'm pretty sure it was, but it takes you a bit of time to process that. So he blows the whistle. The conversation with his teammates would not have been, did you guys see the puck across the line? Because they couldn't have seen it across the line. I think it would have gone something along the lines of I'm pretty sure I saw that puck across the line, but it caught me by surprise. Did I have blown the whistle earlier? Was it covered? Did you guys see it get poke loose? When his teammates said no, it was a bang, bang play. Then he probably said, well, I confirms what I saw. I'm going to call a good goal on the ice. Now they have to call a goal. I mean, they have to make a call on the ice, like you said, in case it's inconclusive. But I think all that aside, if he had said no goal, I believe they would have overturned it and awarded the goal because what people don't seem to understand is inconclusive means you can't see the puck. It means it's across the goal line. You know it's across the goal line, but the goal tenders pads on top of it. You can't find it. So there's no way to prove it to go. To me, what they had the other night was conclusive video evidence. You could see the puck. You could see the goal line. You don't need to see white between the puck and the goal. That's not even written in the rule, but everybody seems to think you have to see white. It's not written anywhere. You need conclusive evidence. And in my opinion, I was conclusive evidence. That would have been a goal, regardless of the call on the ice. In the end, I think they got it right. But then it was controversial just with the way the whole play transpired. Dave, when do we get to see you next on ESPN? I'm doing the half game tomorrow night. Awesome stuff. Can't wait. And we'll see if the Canadians can punch their ticket to the second round. Dave, thanks so much for your time today. Always guys. I enjoy the games more. There is a former NHL referee Dave Jackson. Now covers hockey from the referees perspective for ESPN and doing the Habs Lightning game number six tomorrow. I heart radio is thrown it back to the days of few kids and unforgettable. A non-stop stream of the biggest invest. 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