‘A Nightmare on Elm Street’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

>> The rewatchables, we are live on Netflix. Van Lathen is here. You might see him remember him on higher learning. >> Yeah. Reverse? >> Yes. >> Beneath Boys. >> Keep you. >> Bring your tailgate covered in the 7-0, UCLA Bruins. >> Freddie Krueger, how long do you want to raise the roof? >> Welcome to Brian Dine. >> That's how you're starting the fun? >> That's where it is. >> You're going crazy. He likes the wiggle of the finger. >> See how you're still working? >> Yeah. >> What's going on with you? >> I like coming on the rewatchables once a month. >> Yeah. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> What we're about to do live, Van's favorite horror movie. >> Oh, yes. >> It's your number one, right? Not this movie, this franchise, but this actual film is the most fundamental part of my Freddie Lord. Name Aaron Armstrong. Live, coming next. [MUSIC] >> Let me start here. >> I call it Nightmare on Armstrong. It really is. Nightmare on Armstrong. >> Nightmare here. >> When did we drop the A with this? >> Hmm. >> I like the A. >> You like the A? >> Yeah. The A is a -- it's a class year. A nightmare on Nightmare. >> A nightmare on Armstrong. >> I'm going to start here. The most realistic, that shit crazy movie ever made. >> When I watched it, I'm like, yeah, I feel like all of this could happen, but it's fucking insane. >> I think the way why you think that, though, is because if you operate inside of Dream Logic, anything is possible. >> Yeah. >> Because when you're watching most horror movies, you have something like an interior monologue that's like, don't go down there. Obviously, that other person is hurt, Franklin. Don't go looking for them in Texas Chainsaw Masker, whatever. In this movie, you kind of can't say that because you can't tell somebody they can't go to sleep. >> Right. >> And the future films in Nightmare on Elm Street franchise go to great lengths to try and keep people awake. But even in this, with Nancy Poppin stay awake, people have to sleep, and once they do, they're in Freddie's house. >> Also, a dream is just inherently an adventure. Because your subconscious is taking over in a dream, you investigate things you shouldn't investigate, you go places you shouldn't go, you're involved in stuff and you're like, how did I get here? So like when someone is plopped in the middle of a dream, it's both otherworldly and whatever danger that befalls them, they didn't earn it. So it's actually scarier. It's the one tear that can't be solved. You have to sleep. Halloween. Maybe make sure this guy's coming back to Hattenfield. Maybe tell some more policemen and let's try to get this guy and put him in jail. Jason, I guess Jason gets a little weird. Jason's like supernatural at some point. >> For the first few movies though, Jason is keeping it pretty local. Maybe let's not work at the campsite. >> It's just real communication. Don't bring the kids back. This one, once you're in the dreams, I don't know how you fight back. >> Well, this is also the fatal flaw, maybe of this movie, which is then how do you solve against Freddie? How is Freddie ever dead? How do you ever really fix something that you're eventually going to have to dream again? You have to go back to sleep? >> What was the scariest dream you've ever had? Because I'll tell you mine. >> Oh, my hell dream. Did it happen recently this year? Hell dream? It's a hell dream. So I had it after the link, Kiffin Haring. >> We're doing good now. So this was a hell dream. I'll be quickly brief. So I'm in a club in Baton Rouge, like some kind of nightclub. And the nightclub is built in the swamp. So they're like these wooden things like the swamp club. >> The swamp club? >> It's a swamp club. >> Kinda like play Adele Ray. >> Exactly, right? >> We were just talking about it. So I'm in a nightclub. And there's people are like looking at the animals in the bio and the snakes. And they're playing with them. I'm like, you guys, the bio is dangerous. Like stop doing that. And then go sit down and I'm having this dangerous. I'm going to sit down. I'm having a drink and tell from the hood the movie, the end of the movie tells from the hood now starts showing on the walls in the club. And at the end of the movie. >> Sounds like a good club. >> At the end of the movie tells from the hood, like all my friends are there and we're drinking. They won't serve us any food, but they'll give us as much drinks as we want. >> So yeah, racist dream, huh? >> Racist dream. Racist dream. No food, all the liquor. You know what's up. So at the end of the movie tells from the hood, it's revealed that the guys are actually in hell. The wraparound stories that these guys are in hell and they're burning in hell. And I look around at my friends and I look around at this club where it's all dangerous. People are riding on each other and we go, nah, no way, right? And my friends look at me and they go, you think so? And I go, it can't be. But we are in hell in the dream. And one of my other friends goes, yo, can we leave? And I go, we gotta try. And so then we get up and we leave the club in this dream, not to make things too serious. But I was in this dream at the beginning looking for my father. Like I was looking for my dad. And then in this dream, when we leave and we get outside, for some reason, there's a blue convertible sports car. And there's only two seats. It's so cool. And we go, there's not enough room for all of us. And I go, we're going to see each other's laps. And then we get, and we drive away. See his giving guy. Yeah. Yeah. And then you woke up and then I woke up and rolled the dream down. You got the dream journal. I got up and I was terrified at the end of it. Got up and wrote the dream down, scary dream I've ever had. I had a dream last night that I was in Oklahoma City with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. No, I'm not kidding. No, you're bullshit. No, I don't believe it. Go ahead, go ahead. Get off. Get shit off. And we were going to play a pickup basketball game with a bunch of people there to cheer them out. Good. You are a pickup to cheer them up after the Jaylen Williams thing. And it was just weird. And I couldn't find my shoes to play in the game. And I was like, I know they're here. And then I woke up. Was keeping nice to you. Yeah. He was being really nice, actually. And Russ were getting along great. The scariest dream I ever had though. I was like five or six. I had a dream. I was on top of a tall building like the Empire State building. One of those in Batman and Joker were fighting. And I was sitting there watching it. Yeah. And then I got too close to it. And I got knocked off the building and I started falling down toward the ground. Okay. And I woke up. And it was the most scared I've ever been from a dream. So real quick, in this dream, Batman makes no effort to save you. No, I was watching them play his mythology. This tells you a lot. But I used to love the Batman show in the mid-70s. I know there are some people that Batman thinks for the sake of society. You gotta let him go. So the Batman was letting me go. Batman was letting you go. We got more important fish to fry. But then I was thought if I if I landed, would I wake up? Right. But what would I have died? Well, after if you die in a dream, you start to think that my only my worst dream ever that I still remember from when I was a kid was basically the other mommy dream. You basically like I had two moms in front of me. Identical. One was giving me the hard sell about how she's my mom. The other one was just kind of like. You know, you you should know you should know which one of us is which and the other one's like no, it's me know it's me. I choose the hard sell mom. I know the other mom walks off. She looks back at me from the landing and shakes her head and goes down the stairs. I look back at the hard sell mom. Her eyebrows grown her nails. When I wake up. No. Really. Jesus. That was like a brother second brother. This is some out of an in my back. Like no way. That is fucking terrifying. Where will other mommy? You know, it's going to be really terrifying. Bangkok Craig's worst dream ever. What should we do? Yeah, Bangkok Craig not starting a kicker last week. That started to kick dicker. I think sake one. My scariest dream or the one that at least sticks out is one time I remember I was a kid and I was stuck inside of a giant beer bottle or like a giant glass bottle. Oh my god inside of it. And and ants were crawling into the top of the bottle down towards me and I was trapped in the night kitchen. Where did you? How did you even get that imagery? Don't know. God. So being trapped suffocated into something. See there. There's like this whole side. This is my biggest issue with the sopranos. Because that that David Chase was too interested in dreams. And I feel like when he's dreams is a device in TV shows like that. He can basically do anything. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like this blank canvas. And I'm not sure what anything means. But you know, it was the key at the end of season two. When he realizes that pussy was who? Well, when he subconscious, yeah, told him to come to terms with the fact that he had a kill. And that means something. But in general, this whole thing about as a horror movie concept of I can't fall asleep. But human beings have to sleep. What do you do? This is a great. What do you do? And there's also like the danger of dream world violence will cross over into the physical world. It's something that I think everybody is familiar with the sensation that that could be true. But knows like if I wake up, like I'll be fine. Right. But this is like it just adjusted enough that it works perfectly. And on top of that, like the dreams in this movie are not annoying, like flights of fancy. And like the only time they ever rewrite history is at the very end. And that's the worst dream of all. Right. You know. And as human beings, one of the things that we've civilization to civilization struggle to understand is the meaning of our dreams. Like why we dream about things, how we dream about things. And although we understand the science behind it, there's still all kind of. of metaphysics and spirituality in why we dream, how our brain keeps going on with sleep. And these dreams as this generational curse, this boogie man that can infect it, it's something that multiple cultures have explored throughout the history of it. So you think this is, you think this is the best gimmick we've ever had in our memory. Without a doubt. And it gives Freddie the opportunity to be something that he becomes in this one. He's a supernatural slasher. So Freddie ends up becoming a comic book villain. By the end of this entire thing for this whole movie. >> Right. Yeah. >> Yeah, by the end of this is more formal. He loves his work. He does it with a smile, the sort of way that he's been tortured by these people. He is so happy to revisit this on their children at their most vulnerable moment. And he becomes something that he, to me, gets to a spot in like a horror movie villainery like no other character gets to. One, two, Freddie's coming for you, three, four, better lock your door. Five, six, grab your crucifix. >> For no reason. >> Seven, eight, gonna stay up late, nine, ten, never sleep again. Now he's, they only do it twice in the movie, basically near the beginning and then in the end. >> Yeah. >> But it's fun and creepy. >> Awesome. Fred Krueger goes by Fred in this movie, Simon D.B. Change, didn't come Freddie until later. We talked about this during the Chainsaw Masker pod that the big four was Freddie, Jason, Myers. >> Leatherface. >> Leatherface. You agree with that, Van? >> Yeah. >> We talked about a little bit on Friday, they're changed as well. >> That's our four. I think being everywhere, you said this and you know, revisiting the movie watching a couple of times, going back in the middle of the universe. I think it might be right. I think the ability to be in multiple places is the best, the most unstoppable gimmick about the gimmicks. But first time we see him when he's outside in the background, when he's chasing Tina the second time. And then he switches. And now all of a sudden she's running and then he's, I don't know how he stopped that. >> Yeah. I mean, this is the scariest possible thing because you don't have to go to summer camp. You don't have to pick up a hitchhiker in Texas. There's all these other killers, all these other slasher's have. You meet them where they are kind of. I mean, I guess Myers is coming to a suburban street. But Myers does feel like a situation we could have handled a little bit better. >> Slow Walker. >> Yeah. >> He's going to move in his pace the whole time, Freddy's. >> Freddy is able to take on all these different forms he's inhibiting all the different fears that these people have. And I really don't know like in a weird way, like if all the franchises that should have just been one movie, this one maybe is the most because you're just like, it should end with it being like there is no end to this. You know, there is no way to defeat this guy. >> We should probably talk about the ending now because it's been controversial. It was always my least favorite thing about the movie. I thought it just went really sideways, almost weird versions. >> Yeah. And we can go into the history of it. They've four different ones. They couldn't really decide, you know, the production panel over it. Yeah. >> Production company really wanted them to do one that left the door up in first sequel. But this could have been a beginning, middle, and movie fan. >> Without a doubt, the movie is elegant. It's a movie that's executed with this impeccable taste level. And the only time that that's not quite true is the end because they have to leave it open for Freddy to have more adventures. And Wes Craven, if you watch him talk about this, was in a battle with the head of New Line, Bob Shea, about the fact that the movie had to have some kind of hook at the end of it to keep the audience on the line for another one. So there's not much elegance in the ending of the film. However, it is still scary, it is still, it's good, it's just weird. It's just weird, like when there's an other worldliness to the end of it where you come out and David say a little to fog out there, you feel like you're still in a dream, but you want Nancy to have one, like you want to believe that she's beaten Freddy. You kind of know something's up, her mom is too cool, the mom has been a fucking asshole the entire time. >> You mean drunk milk bomb? >> Drunk? >> Munch. >> Mom. >> Mom. >> Munch, the drunk milk bomb? >> I have a lot of notes on merch. >> And then, you know, I was going to bring a giant thing of vodka just to swing right there. Then it goes down and you're like, these kids are not safe and they will never be safe. So you like it or you don't like it? >> I do like it. I just think when they get to the end and it's like Nancy can beat Freddy by turning her back on him, you just know that they're not going to end it on that note because like it's just like, well, then why couldn't they have figured that out earlier? Like, how is she sure? And I actually think that the way it's all foggy and it's like, this is what you want. This is your happy ending, right? Like this is what we think we want and then it's not that, it's getting trapped in the car with him forever. >> I guess it's like, there's a little canonical unevenness with it as you go forward in the sequels about what happened at the end of that movie and how it works, but they're only Nancy lives. >> Good outfit, Freddy. Like the hat, like the red and green sweater, who is supposedly happy for Christmas, but it's not good burn face. The razor hands are great. I like that they didn't make them like a giant. They talk about this with the casting of it that they didn't want to make them like a giant Michael Meyers type. Freddy's kind of moving around, like he's got like weird posture. I think he's creepier in a lot of ways than the physicality of him is I think the creepiest thing about it. >> We've talked a couple of times over Friday the 13th, the Halloween pods that we've done, leather face to some extent, about how like what happens is you wind up starting to think about the guy, the original conception of the character, the way the sequels present him rather than the way they originally she's shown. >> Freddy is like a stand up comedian by three and four, like he's like, what's the funniest way I could kill this person and then do a one-liner? >> Yeah. >> That's the Schwarzenegger influence. >> In this movie, when you first see him go after Tina with the arms, it's fucking terrible scary. >> It's scary. >> It is like really, really scary and he is actually like aided by the fact that he is not doing the bits and he is not doing like one-liners after it. It's just like, this is a nightmare to watch this guy's arms go out and come after her like that. >> An interesting thing about the Freddy lore is that by the time you get to three and four, they've invented this conceit to where Freddy is more powerful, the more kids that he kills. So part of the reason why he is torturing these kids with these one-liners so much is because now he's become this all-powerful dream daemon that can be everywhere at once, like you guys talked about, that can use your worst nightmares and everything to put you in this torture chamber. Here, he's still kind of like a mid-level exception dream daemon. He's still like a guy that you can get a lot of good minutes out of, but these kids, he hasn't like perfected, this is the first generation of Elm Street kids that Freddy is haunted. He's still working his game out, he's still working his counters out, he's trying to figure out, stay on the court. >> So they can't boozer on the gristle, he's sure. >> Yeah, he's still trying to figure it out by time. >> Check figure out his go-to. >> By the time you get to the end of, he's an all NBA villain and he's legitimately playing jokes. He's playing pranks on this. >> Yeah, he's like smashing girls into TVs and stuff like that. >> Welcome to Prime Time, bitch. >> Yeah. >> Just kill me, dog. I don't need a comedy set. Welcome to Prime Time, bitch. >> Nightmare Elm Street 3 Dream Warriors. >> Dream Warriors. >> Push her head into the thing and then says that the one kid is horny, so Freddy turns into the nurse, big boobs, like then takes him hostage. By the end we get really, really wacky. But in this one, a folks straightforward, straight forward, you killed me, you shouldn't have done it. Now your kids are going to kill me. >> And this movie has two of the most memorable, disturbing, incredibly executed kills I've ever seen in a movie. >> I had that in my notes. We did a long ringer piece about this one, it's like the greatest death scenes of all time and it was bad as uncontroversial for me, the final 10. I don't like it, really mad. I mean, most famous with the fast food one we did, it was before you got to the ringer. We did the best fast food in 2016 and the waffle fries from Chick-fil-A1. And it was in actual, a front to America, we're still apologizing. >> What's the best fast food? >> What will be the best? >> I mean, I would say that Chick-fil-A. >> What won? >> What did win? >> What did win? >> The waffle fries. >> That one, what would you have put? >> That's the fucking waffle fries. >> Where would you put the actual nuggets themselves, you'd say it? >> I would have probably would have done the Chick-fil-A sandwich or the- >> Double double from in and out. >> But the big man could have been on that. >> That's where he eats you with a lot of stuff. >> For you, man. >> Regardless. >> Because nobody gets to eat the double double from in and out. >> We're going to have to country now. >> That's like- >> Anyway. >> Best death scenes. So to me, there's different types of death scenes, right? >> We're redditary. The girls had getting cut off. >> Yes. Spoiler. >> Bang! >> We came up 10 years ago. >> There's a big spread is on fire moment in this movie. >> Yeah. >> I like the ones where there's a beginning, middle, end. I think there are the hardest ones to stand out. These are my favorite four. Tina dying in the room. Definitely. Tina on the ceiling. >> Terrifying. >> It's just the whole scene. It's just unbelievable. I would be like, scat me and brothers in the shining. The way that's all set up. Hello. Mrs. Doritz. Hello. And Jack's like behind. You know he's there, but that three minutes. The psycho shower scene obviously is the good thing. >> Of course. Yeah, and then I really think that opening a scream is that would be much more. Yeah. I think that first five six minutes of scream It's fantastic. It's so agonizing because it goes on so long, but I like with the setup The execution and the end of a desing is really hard like Halloween the first one probably the closest is When the guy goes to get a beer. Yeah after his sex with PJ souls like go get me a beer And he goes downstairs with the noise and then ends up getting the knife in the chest But it's not as good as those four can't throw one in yeah, please from a movie that I don't know how many people have seen this movie Have you guys ever seen seen death by temptation? I Think I saw it when it like came out. So death by temptation is a movie that stars Kadim Hardison Samuel Jackson is also in this movie. It's about an eons old succubus and This succubus demon that's why I didn't see it because it started Kadim Hardison but keep going That's a dish shot off to Kadim Hardison. No, I don't just said that's a lot of great work over these Okay, the guy who I think wrote the the movie and directly was James Bond the third was his name. I remember that guy Okay, James Bond with her. Okay, so there's a scene in death by temptation that still to me is one of the most terrifying Horace scenes like ever so Kadim Hardison is coming back like he's he's coming back into the house the succubus has like possessed the television He's watching himself on the TV and he's walking through the house wondering like Who's around he's seeing himself, but then we're seeing him in the television He's got a knife, but an television. He's got a gun the TV is talking to him and he's trying to figure out like what's going on The whole time is being narrated by the demon who's possessed the TV He's like, oh, but look look at you. He's like you got a knife. I got a gun I'm hearted in you like blah blah blah blah blah. Then he gets too close to the television the TV the demon inside the TV Pulls him into the TV then spits his bones back out And I'm telling you this is like it pulls us into the TV He's and he's and he's like in the TV trying to look around trying to escape and then his bones get spit back out Terrifying scene death by temptation is actually a really phenomenal to be underrated. It might be on to be underrated Horror movie. That's a good one. Did you have a favorite one? No, I'm an obsolete one I kind of became I came of age to some extent during the saw hostile area era So that was just more like that's so like you're watching this happen over like minutes and minutes of like oh my god I will say one stranger calls, but she doesn't die the first 15 minutes of that as he's getting matter A matter on the phone is really scary, but then silent rage has a great one the girl comes home and runs over I think is dead and She and the guy who won't die the syruco or you know this movie, right? I've never seen it. You would love this movie Okay guy who won't die basically is it's like a Michael Myers rip off, but she she goes upstairs and hides in this little thing And it's one of those they're never patient enough with these or somebody's hiding and it's like did he go away? Okay, it's good to come out. They take like a minute or two and Then she's fine like I think he's gone and opens the thing and he just comes in and whams her head against the wall But it's really scary. It's good. I like I like when they build the suspense up to it. Yeah, I think probably like the scariest kill ever is still Pan in Texas getting thrown on the the meat hook That one that's a really good one, too, but that's that's the little this is like art like you're watching like a guy like West Craven Rope poetry study philosophy is just like really build made porn and his building out like such an expressive Serial world with these kills and you're just like this is just for this and I can't believe they put so much effort into it We have that Bangkok Craig because we force fed horror down his throat like broccoli Today, it's amazing how he's like pro horror. What was your favorite kill scene of everything you've seen? Favorite kill scene the one you're most impressed by um I think it's probably meat hook. I think the scariest thing is old blood thirsty grandpa in Texas trains out sucking on the finger That's scary than any guilt of me. Yeah, that really was West Craven last hassle on the left 1972 Remake pretty good with Tony Golden the Hills have ice 77 nightmare 84 new nightmare 94 and scream 96 And he's on whatever whatever shrine you watch for yeah, I actually know what am I saying? It's the blood vortex in this movie is number one Johnny Depp. Yeah, Johnny Depp into the bed. Yeah, the shining elevator in the water bed No, it's the blood vortex Johnny Depp. Yeah, yeah, it's also great because it's the inverse of Tina. You see everything that happens to Tina And it's it's just traumatizing, but with Depp you're like even when the cop goes into the room You don't go into the room with him. You're just see him be like oh no and walk out. Take better get him up Yeah, a brilliant part of this movie is the way Freddie is deployed Because Freddie is such a scary character, right? Yeah, they almost deploy him in like a Hannibal Lecter typeway And you know how many minutes he's in the movie how many seven see really same thing, right? It's the it's they let the conceit of the movie be the thing that terrify you Fallen asleep what happens when you fall asleep the nature of a dream He does not have to be in every scene of the dream for the dream to be scary By the end it's Freddie on the poster and a bunch of other kids that have to be killed So it's Freddie Freddie Freddie all the time It's almost scarier in a way in this movie because of the dread that's able to build So Wes Craven wasn't exactly Bankable in 1984 even though it had some success So they had to It was a classic that we've done so many of these where they're like we can barely have the money at one point They run out of money. Mm-hmm. Nobody's getting paid people are quitting some investors are pulling out Yeah, so that they finally have to make this deal with the devil to get the royalties for it But we talked about this this trajectory with Toby Hooper Another deal with the devil movie, but it's just also like a guy who was like walking by A night bear on Elm's a night Night of living dead screening one day and was like there's a line down the block Yeah, I gotta figure these kinds of movies is how I get into the movie business Craven was not that different. He moved to New York. He was working as like an editor Was Sean Cunningham who goes on to direct the first Friday the 13th in 1980 But those guys were like Craven wanted to make like Bergman and Fellini movies He wanted to make like art films and he basically gets pulled into this because It seems like horror is something that you can make fast and cheap And make money often so they get him to make last house on the left And he never expected anybody to see that movie. He was like made a porn after that movie. Yeah, I know I mean like he's like I'm gonna make the worst grossest thing I can possibly think of no one's gonna see it But it turns out to become a cult hit and then because of that he gets irradiated because it's like You're the guy fucking thought of that. Jesus get out of my office But it so takes him a little while they get going and then he winds up almost reluctantly becoming a master of horror It it's interesting when you go back and look at him tell the story of why He told this story. Oh my god. It's so interesting. So interesting right about like reading about the LA Times The Mayotian The Mayotian refugees who were so scarred by their war experience like their trauma was actually killing them They were tortured by going to sleep and tortured by their dreams and some of them died in their sleep The they call that Asian death syndrome. Yeah, it was an actual the actual name of it. So like Even though most horrors horror movies are based around premise like what happens if a slasher gets loose at a At a summer camp what happens if on Halloween as a killing spree this one is like It's undergirded by something deeper than that It sleep is the point where you're supposed to be the safest Like even my dog comes and lays in front of the bed and protects me like while I'm sleeping And if you are not safe then then it just completely unravels your life And says so much about past trauma and just like the experience of being a human being If you can't sleep in peace and your dog lies in front of the bed My dog lies in front of the bed doesn't get out of the bed sometimes it gets on the bed It's on the bed. I mean most of the dog in bed got a bit. I'm a definitely dog Comes up about 2 30 the morning and goes full length of the bed on my website A bit like length of the bed like he's a human and like I mean He's like, guys, move over it's facts though like and sometimes both when they'll come in and he'll look And we'll be just like yeah, come on Well, jump on the bed, but he's sleeping there because you're at your most vulnerable when you're sleeping it relaxes The dog to be with sleeping people when they're when their people are sleeping it relaxes their bodies and then they sleep right So like even though this movie was no dogs in this movie I think Freddie would have fucked the dog's broken the movie. Yeah, I have dogs and two dogs and two I was thinking about I was getting confused. Anyway, all I'm saying is that like in that he actually made a lot of deep kind of philosophical Statements. Yeah, he's he's he's seriously getting it. Yeah, there's generational violence There's extra digital judicial system justice going on and this there's like a pretty profound statement about the indifference of parents towards their kids. Yeah, throughout this movie with like all the people who are basically like I'm not really like paying attention to what my kids are up to at any point. Yeah, one point The kids 15 the mom just goes to Vegas with her Tina Oh, yeah, mom just goes to Vegas with her creepy boyfriend for two days. Let's broad lane come over. Yeah And also the lies of the parents, the kids actually die because of the lies and the secrets of their parents, which is something that you have to continue with when you're an actual person. Do you think when your name is Wes Craven, you kind of have to direct horror movies? That's a good question. What are you going to do? Yeah. I'm just going to or have like a like a WNBA podcast game six, 12 30. What are we doing? It's the Wes Craven WNBA podcast. Go live after the Lakers. He'll want to be on Wes Craven. He also was a dream weaver. Was a big one for him. So little Yacht Rock. He loved Dreamweaver and thought that was like a good idea for a movie and then he had some memory when he was a kid of an old man outside the window of his home that freaked him out. But he he said, quote, Freddie stands for the worst of parenthood and adulthood. The third-year-old man, nasty father and adult who wants a children to die rather than prosper. He's the boogeyman. So there you go, Wes Craven. Johnny Depp is in this. Yeah. Not only is Johnny Depp in this, we get an introducing Johnny Depp. We do. First time DB credit. It's surprising that he didn't go with John Depp, much like Fred Krueger, you know? Oh yeah. And John or Jack Depp. Yeah. So for years, I knew him from this in 21 Jump Street. But he was very likable in this movie. Sure. And he was in 21 Jump Street. He was like, oh, the kid from Nightmare on Upstreet, it's great. Bad things are working out for him. And then all of a sudden, the 90s, he became Johnny Depp. I don't know where. Yeah. But he's good in this movie. Sure. One of the best parts of 80s horror movies is going back and be like, oh, I'm sure sure I get it. There she is in Dreamweaver years. Right, Kevin Bacon. Paul Rudd in Halloween. Right. Yeah. Amanda Weiss. Sure. Awesome. Awesome. Is it this or better off dead for you? She's had, I mean, I think I have this in a later character category, but what an incredible 80s. She had fast times this better off dead and Silverado. She was a Silverado, one of my favorites, man. Better off dead. She's the bitchy version of Tina. She's Beth. Yeah. Ronay Blankley, Blakely as Drunk Moff Mom. I'm going in for an Oscar, Nashville, 1975, it's March, March Thompson, did a loveboat Vegas tour on IMDB, if you go on IMDB, she's love boat, fantasy island, Vegas, all that stuff. And then shows up here. And can we just give her the 80 Falco and Coppola in a word now? She lights that dart up with the giant bottle of vodka, CR. Hey, baby, looks like this family needs, needs a dad. What do you do later trying to surreptitiously be a raging alcohol but drinks straight from the bottle. It's like she's not mixing it in orange juice. She's not trying to hide it in the water bottle. It's just like, I have a little trace to bottle is smeared off that I take everywhere in the house. It's like an old Jack Sparrow pirate bottle of alcohol that carries around. It's incredible. It's so big. It's like, if you bought that now, it's $110. So much vodka. She's just carrying it around, I enjoyed her, and then Heather Langen camp, who comes back in three. So really interesting character. And I think in New Nightmare, right? Yeah. In New Nightmare. Yeah. So atypical because not the stupid horror movie character or not the damsel and distress like Jamie Lee and Halloween, like actually really smart understands what's going on. Nobody believes her, comes up with ways to prove she's right. She's the only one who really gets at the entire movie. And then she, we think, survives. Yeah. Well, she's gone. She's back in three. She's been on hit in the side. I don't know that when I see the end of one. I mean, well, yeah. So, you know, but I guess I think the movie you know, very interesting art because the movie starts with Tina and the psycho and pulls the psycho, like the Hitchcock thing. You think that Tina's going to be, but over the course of the movie, she actually has an actual arc. Yeah. A real arc. The movie is about Freddie and about the nightmares. But then at a certain point in this movie, this becomes a dissent in the love or SVM combined with that. I'm trying to figure out like what's going on with her, her watching her friends die and deal with that trauma and then really figuring out she's going to do something now. The home alone portion of this movie being what it is when she goes mageyver. Yeah. Like that. The home alone portion of this movie being what it is, it's Freddie and the solar plexus. Yeah. Ow. Still though, like she is a fully formed and like kind of real ass character. I also really like the fact that she kind of gets more and more insolent and rude as the movie goes on and she hasn't slept and she's just like, what's with the bars mother? You know, like it's like kind of like a little bit of a little shit, but like is you would make sense if you were a teenager, it didn't sleep for four or five days, she's fucking piss. Yeah. Hold on. She didn't do nothing. Her parents decide to execute an extra judicial killing on someone they thought was a pariah and a neighborhood. To be fair, it does sound like Fred was guilty. It's not like Fred was guilty. Yeah. At the same time, hold on for my heart, take. Okay. Later on. Are you saying if the knife glove doesn't fit? You can't do that, guys. I will say I think the hot takes her this movie, we might break the record because I have a hot one too. You can't do that. So now she's got to deal with this. She can't go to sleep. Her friends are dead. Johnny Depp is still trying to get pussy after a dream demon is around. She can't be left with the funniest thing is the depth never suffers from this until the very end. Right. And she's just completely had it with her mom and her dad. And she takes it upon herself to call the ISO and do it all on her own. Well, with some help from the guy who works for a dad, yeah, my dad is like, what's going on? This seems bad. What? What's going on with you? Robert England playing Freddie. Pretty by all accounts like a decent actor did some Shakespeare really is dined on the first movie for the last 42 years, I think. Honestly, that's what I yeah, available for any convention, any oral history, the ringer to the oral history of this movie, by the way, but there's been a bunch of them and loves talking about it. But basically, Wes Craven did not want to hire the typical giant stuntman wanted an actual act there. And I think that was a great move. They actually talked to Kane Hodder about doing it who winds up or hotter plays, winds up playing Jason in a future of Friday the 13th. They go ahead to head eventually, then likes that movie. Love it. Versus Jason. Versus Jason. Ever since they tease it when the Freddie hand pulls Jason's mask into the dirt, I was waiting for that movie and it did not disappoint. Disappointing Myers was an involved that should have been a murder triangle. I have a question about that later. New line was the company that jumped in and it was that they were normally a distributor. This is the first time they actually got behind a movie. Now called the house that Freddie built that a nice little run made a lot of movies that I like franchise films like the Lord of the Rings films. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that's good. Nine movies total. Can you name them all in a row right now? Okay. One. Two. What's two? What's two? We got good titles. Two. Freddie's revenge. Yes. Yeah. Three is Dream Wars. Okay. Four is Dream Master. Yes. Yeah. Five is Dream child. Six is Freddie's dad. The final nightmare seven would be West Craven's new nightmare. Yeah. Eight would be Freddie versus Jason. Nine is the remake. Wow. Jackie Earl Haley. That's impressive. Can I just say, where the fuck can go? That's really good. There you go. That was almost as impressive and palicero on my podcast and did all 18. What was the Vikings quarterbacks? Yeah. Or Tate doing all the first ladies of rap. Oh, Tate, man. Raise the roof of Tate, guys. So that was the franchise. Hey, guys. All right. We were split till Kate. Raise the roof. It's a pretty hand. Yeah. That's the best you got. Did we have too many nightmares or not enough here? Nine. Should the number have been like 18? Or should we have been like four? This franchise gets pretty goofy. You know, I mean, like they all do. I think actually, I mean, I personally like Dream Warriors a lot. But I still think unlike Friday 13th where my favorites are kind of the Tommy 3 in the middle. This is by far my favorite nightmare. I think three is pretty good. I think New Nightmare is my other one that I like. Yeah. And you can throw the rest of them away. New nightmare is so novel. It's good. It's such a swing. Is that before or after Scream starts before? Yes. So it's like basically a trowel. It's good. I was at 94. There's too many good movies in 94. I will say that like obviously Dream Warriors is like my favorites like, you know, run a time. I'm really like getting into the movie or something like X-Men movies like with Jimmy Lee. It's a kind of a movie. But I do have a special place in my heart for Freddy's Day at the Final Nightmare because that is a weird off kilter movie. By this time, there are no children left in Springwood. There are no kids left in Springwood because Freddy has like run out of villains to kill. He's killed everyone. It's too powerful. There's a weird Rose Ann Bar cameo in the movie because when Freddy's daughter like brings kids to Like spring with they're so happy to see children that they're all over the kids and stuff There's weird powers and rules about where Freddie can go and how the fact that he's got a half brother Yeah, it's just but like all of that stuff in the movie. There's a lot in it But it's still so eerie in the film and then at the end with his daughter killing him I still have like a special place in my heart Do you have a favorite all-time kill on the franchise outside of the first movie the roach? So roaches a famous one girls afraid of roaches Fred oh the roach and By far the most disturbing one is the puppet The puppet and three is fucked up. The puppet is three also in three is when Terran Get heroin hyperdermic to death for in her and her needle marks have eyes and are like blinking at her and stuff like it That's that groups me out 1.1 million dollar budget made 57.1 million dollars this movie. That's how you get that's Nobody reviewed other than there was a washed and post review where the guy went nice. Yeah Paul at at Tonsia at nausea Made fucking homicide life on the street. Yeah. Yeah, I look wish you but nobody took this movie seriously There was also a lot of good 1984 movies. Yeah We don't take a break right could I do most rewatch our most watchable scene? All right opening nightmare from Tina of course Tina leaves the house Runs in the Freddie. This is God first the the rocks at the window and you're like what's going on? I was like somebody else coming over to see Tita and then the rocket's the one that gets like stuck in the window And so she knows that there's something weird going on like there's is she in a dream now It ends with the old bloody sailing dance, which has never really gone well for anybody and anytime somebody's on a ceiling in a movie You know, they're not making it I would give this the okay mother fucker award for the exact moment when this movie went up and out. Yeah, this is this was like 12 minutes in Also took them six weeks to build this set. I think yeah something like that It's spun around and inverted Everybody was like getting sick and stepping out or like you know Amanda Whist was like this was like legitimately terrifying to film And you could tell like there is like an element of it that feels real while you're watching Mr. Days we used to be able to make things in this country like rooms that were inverted upside down I don't want to go too deep into the in my day shit But when you watch the documentary on the making of this film and you look at some of the stuff that they had to pull out Yeah, get scenes in the movie like how they had to build the bathtub over an actual wall over a pool, right? Like this really forced them to do some pretty cutting edge film and it almost killed cast members There's stuff that like Chris Nolan does now the people are like I can't believe this and but but they were kind of doing that and they marital Yeah, but he's continuing on our tradition. Whereas Sometimes the shit we look at and it doesn't look very good That's not to take away from any VSF artist or anybody out there that's making shit like that that's generated on the computer But the reason why you don't feel it is because it's not tactile It's not your eyes are looking at something that you know is rendered Biographics meanwhile this stuff you're like how'd they do it like how'd they give him through the bars when Donna's and all of that type of stuff Well, they have to figure out how do you get the blood come out of the bed also like the think about the other slasters that we've done over last couple of weeks Either they're trying to avoid Thought the X rating or like maybe they don't have the money to afford the Sort of make up that you need This movie they figured out some way to make this opening kill the bloodiest scariest thing so that the rest of the movie You know those are the consequences of it like you are terrified something like that is gonna happen to another kid It's not as dark when it happens to rot. I mean it's sad, but it's not like oh my god like his head came off for something But what happens to Tina is traumatizing the reviewers it's And from a script standpoint There are little things to where she's talking about this dream and this guy that she saw then Somebody else is like yeah, I had that same dream and that was like the guy with the knife stands Yeah, and you and there's like there's a harbinger of things to come so by the time it happens to her It's like the fulfillment of this perverse wish For the audience and you can't google it like now. Yeah, you'd be like google red green sweater killer Yeah, had you seen this movie before now, right now and you didn't watch or Liz no guessing no the Tina scene What was your reaction as it was happening? Like so impressive and inventive and so cool to see like I almost feel like when you're watching a movie like this Like a low-budget movie that pulled off this great accomplishment I feel like you feel like you're a part of the team making the movie you're like you're like Happy for the movie that it's able to do it. Yeah, essentially, you know what I mean? You're like wow, this is awesome like this is the relationship is like I give you my money and you guys can do stuff like this And when you watch that scene you're like this is so cool that they were able to do this so while being scared. I was also like Impressed and like happy that they were like 50 years later. We're still like I can't believe jaws built a shark. Yeah Like it still looks better than every shark movie since then. You're just like you guys did it Think I cleanse room upside down. Yeah. Yeah with the bed of blood They have all the stuff on the walls upside down inverted that they had to just painstakingly put One true sicko is working on it. They were like how much like water should we add to the fake blood? How much red dye whatever like yeah It wasn't like we'll just fix it in post. We'll just shade it differently in color correction It was like we got to get this right and it was they almost electrocuted a cast member fake blood With the England's room. Yeah, when they turned it around they didn't realize some of it was gonna get in the forward So those those kind of things you do anyway incredible scene that's probably my winner But we also have the classroom scene. Yes another homage to Halloween in the bed like all the classroom Scenes with the shot with the window. They love doing it and then we get the Nancy no running in the hallway and then she's like Freddie and then we get the This is when we realized Freddie as green blood and worms in his chest. Yeah Whatever he can do to grow throughout you know what's interesting about the classroom that one worked The classroom scene. I think is the first time they do the classic Elm Street knot To where we're all sitting around and you do like this You think that the character has actually woke back but they're actually sleep They're in the dream. So we I've talked about this before to where you're now and you look in a teacher still teaching And all of a sudden the teacher is writing and the teacher is going okay and 1738 this happened and all of the teacher starts writing I'm going to kill you bitch right turn around and it's freight and like that Gives you a sense of you don't know whether or not their sleep or awake You understand that feeling because it's familiar that we all we've all had that but it's terrifying for the people that you're watching them. It's really good scene Yeah, bathtub scene. Yep. CR's favorite scene Freddie's hang on through the legs You said that it is Funny that she's like so serious about taking a bath. It's like that that she's like she has a bath pillow. She's like really into it I haven't slept in three days I'll take a bath what could go and also don't worry about me mom. I know I'll lock the door. I like the door So you can't get in Freddie's hand coming up through her legs is a great. Oh no. Yeah, it comes right back down when she wakes up Just how dangerous sleep is for her. I didn't see this one in the theater. I'm pretty sure I think this was TV only for me, but that would have been a great theater scene. Yeah, Crowley Looking for Rod The marshmallow stairs that whole section yeah, yeah when she runs back in the stairs are apparently made out of cream A mushroom shoot soup and oatmeal. This is when Freddie jumps through the mirror. Craven didn't want that Didn't want that was Bob Shea. That was Bob Shea's idea. Craven didn't want to carry the mayor. No, Craven didn't want the steps The steps Bob Shea wanted that. I like the steps And then go ahead and fall asleep on us with that. We have Rod hanging himself. Mm-hmm I think this is exactly how Epstein did it Freddie came right in. You're a live friend Moms I thought I'd get a better laugh for the Epstein joke I thought we're all selling each other here in the wrestling ring That was the sale Did it really see I was telling my power Bob Moms, Fred Krueger's story. No, Bob. Oh, yeah, I was meaning to tell you This guy killed 20 Glens bed turns into the shining elevator I wrote down this is the worst thing that ever happened in Johnny Depp in a bed except the time Amber Amber heard allegedly shit in his bed Yeah, it was one a one big teams he classic The final showdown uh-huh the home alone Is this just the dream I take back every ounce energy I gave you And then the second ending. What do you got for most rewatchable? It's bifartinus death. Yeah, it's one of the great accomplishments Yeah, we could like drone on but it's that's an easy one I also like the popcorn setup of oh, there's just some kids playing some pranks Theradio and lying in their mom and making popcorn and oh rod's gonna come over And this will be like a classic 80s. Yeah, you don't see a sex scene. This is not a most rewatchable scene But you know I did notice For any calling out to Tina after Dawn finished tan that ass up Is rod rod right like rod my bad wasn't like that the after rod finish doing his thing is legitimately like the is the screen. - Cream seemed sort of like kind of like an homage to that. It was like a short hair, he's talking to her. - I thought it was probably more for Janet Lee and Psycho. - I'm sure, yeah. - It was like an homage. - But it feels like that scene kind of mirrors each other. - Yeah, for sure. - Because it kind of feels like the same thing. - The homage and scream was skied all rich basically being the Johnny Depp experience. - Right. - Me to the point that. - Full man's Johnny Depp. - Total like karaoke. - We remember chain reaction, right? - Karaoke Johnny Depp. - Yeah. - What's the best 1984 thing about this movie so many? - I have six. - I have one. - I've six. - Ben, you do yours first. - Two, I have two. - Number one, the gigantic bone box with the tape player where he's playing the sound effect. - I think had a four year run and it was glorious. - Right. - Everyone had it. - Everyone had it. You had to have it blasting your music everywhere. Also, throwing pebbles up to somebody's window to like wake them up or going in somebody's window period that lived across the street. Like, you get in the polies called and you want somebody's ring camera right now. - Yeah. - It's totally cool. - Well, now we have texting. If you did that, you'd be sociopath. - Right. - Did you ever have something where like a kid could climb up like a trellis in one of your houses that you've had? - No. - No. - Did you go to real estate agents or you like no trellis? - I don't like the trellis I did off. (laughing) Pretty rough. And especially like if I had a 15 year old daughter with Johnny Depp across the street. - Yeah. - That trellis is coming down. - That's tough. - Yeah, you're not getting. - You're digging a moot. - Yeah. - Would you have for 84? - Glenn's crop top football jersey. Glenn's white polo under the Nike tennis or golf vest. - I don't know what happened to the dudes wearing a crop top jersey. - Crops tops are back, but it's not like generic number 10. - Yeah, it's tough. - Like if Dan wore that for the pod today, we've been like, are you all right? - Yeah. - Yeah, it's fucked up. - Basically, everything about Rod Lane, like the idea of there being like a town miss, like miss, like no good nick, who's like, I wear a jean jacket with no shirt on underneath is like my look. And it's like, well, he's a musician. - I got your name on my joint. - Yeah. - And then also just like all of the latch key kids stuff with like Glenn's mom not knowing where he is. All the backtalk the kids do to the parents. The parents going out on dates or not being around ever or going to Vegas or whatever, it's just like, a lot of like, could it could have been a little bit more hands on there? - Can I ask you a question about his crop top? Is his crop top a Drake Majorer? Is that page of his crop top? - It looks like it was number 10, right? - Fourth and EPA right now. - I'm just saying. - Just be careful. - It looks like right there. - Be careful who. - Just be careful with your Drake bass slander. - I'm saying. - I have for most 84th thing. I think the winner is young Johnny Depp. I don't know how anything else wins. But the clothes that all the kids have. Glenn has a young YouTube poster. No, if you saw it in the early 80s, YouTube. Nancy has a poster of the police. - Yeah. - Kind of buried on the side. Rotary phones, all the clothes obviously. And then sleeping with a crucifix over your bed. - I don't think people are doing that much anymore. - Good to bring that back. - Multiple kids have the crucifix right above the bed, which is, I know they're doing it for the movie. - The Floyd gun dolly. - Next time my wife goes away when she comes back, I'm going to have a big grin on crucifix. - Just please tape it. - Just so she goes on please tape it. - Floyd gun dolly butter on my ass. Lollipops on my mouthward for something I just enjoy. I'll start. Alcohol, 80s movie parents. - Yep. - Just getting after it. - Right. - It's like, what's mom doing tonight? Just pounding a $90 bottle like this. - No ice, no, no glass. - No, she's going to fall over. - No chaser. - Just fucking shugging it like it's a soda. - Yeah. And like everybody knows it. She's like, you're loaded mom, you know. Come in, he come home. She's like, I locked that door. - I love when she pulls a bottle out of the closet, like the towels, she just has one hidden in there. - Yeah. - Yeah, the kid breaks the bottle at one point. Mom's like, I'm fine. I got another one in the linen closet. - Same size. - You think I have backup? - Yeah. - Oh, it's a joy. - So we really went for it with the drink and parents. I don't know why. - All the parents were back for the whole decade. - Yeah. - Just booze them. - Yeah. - What you have. - Young white commandos. Can you guys, if you guys had to, when, could you like, rig a whole room with booby traps? She rigs a whole room with booby traps. - No, she rigs one book and she's like an expert. - There's several times. - I almost had this as mine. - There's several times in the 80s into it. Where like, kids can set up booby traps like complicated ones. Using household items, like legitimately like Denzel in the equalizer. - It would have taken me like 12 to 18 hours to make two of those things. 'Cause she has the little clips. - The clips. - She's got a lot of-- - She's trying. - That would take me three hours to find the string. - She's gone back like, yeah. - It's nuts. But it happens to go. - I think Craig could do all this stuff. - You know, back then, kids used to play with real things. Legos and things like that. You know, they actually had to be there. - Sure, sure. - You were distracted by TikTok so you would actually read the book about setting up a survival. - The hammer thing was, that was a lot of time. - Yeah, a lot of time. - Then she has the tripwire like she's in fucking Vietnam. - And how do we know that barge isn't gonna like walk into all that stuff one night looking for her drinks? Yeah. - What'd you have? - I had Glenn falling asleep with a giant television in his lap, 'cause I'm just mad I never tried it when I was a kid. (laughing) You know, I guess stayed up watching Andrew Tony highlights. And instead I was like, I guess don't watch the TV. Glenn with the big headphones on and the television in his lap. - Absolutely, it's the best. - It's hilarious. - I'm like yeah. - I'd say the best. - I'd say the best. - Yes, seriously. - Well, those TVs, they don't make those anymore. - No, but that's like 25 pounds. - Those big fat square TVs, can you even buy those anymore? - I don't think so. - I don't think so. - But that you also wouldn't be able to handle that. Like that would have been like having a microwave oven on your TV. - I tend to like multi-housing. He's like, I'm listening to music. I got the TV on my lap. I'm like, hell yeah. This guy is ready for the 20th anniversary. - He's going to be a fan of our generation. - This guy is going to be a great podcast right now. - What's age the best? The whole gimmick of the parents are away or oblivious. We just got 15 years out of this and then finally had to stop doing that. John Saxon plays the dead. Just famous character actor. He's like a beyond that guy, but he would be in every-- - He was like a get to get him, right? - Yeah, I think he was relatively famous. - Incredible to pay though. - Yeah. - Like really just a co-sell. - Hair is exactly the same every time you're in Dream Wars. - There's no part, it's just coming across. - I like staring at him. - Exactly the same in Dream Wars. - Yeah. - So, I have two more. I'll save my two, what do you have? - So just Freddie himself. Like this is the beginning of an icon. Just an iconic character. A deep, deep, deep lore. Super deep lore. The voice is still there. It's not quite like in the Freddie Realman, it gets later on movies, but Freddie himself is Asian and peckably. - I had as well for him with the face, the outfit, Halloween costumes. - All that. - As all of that is Asian. - Like you know what it is when you see the claw, when you see the sweater. - And you know what, just to piggyback off of this. Now that I'm thinking about it, a lot of our favorite Rushmore killers, I think technology would do away with them. You know, like you would be like, my Jason would all be kind of got by like technology. Freddie, I don't know. Like it would be kind of amazing if you were doing like, I'm gonna fall asleep on a live stream and Freddie comes for me, somebody has to help me. - Yeah, that was my other idea for this. - You could make this today. - Now it's like my whoop would alert me when Freddie's on his way. - That's right to be real with you. You could use the whoop and all of these sleep trackers in this movie to be like. - They basically do it when she goes to the instant. - And that's another day of the age of the best. So like, well, before I get to that, the Charles Bernstein, is it Bernstein or Bernstein? - I'm not sure. - The piano score, like the piano. Like that very noticeable recognizable, this is Freddie's theme is like up there with other. - Wow, you had trouble, right? - It's subtle, you don't even barely notice it, but it's always there. In this movie also, a mention of rims sleep. - Yep. - When they, when she goes to the sleep disorder place, a mention of rims sleep, which I think about all the time now, which I didn't before, age of the best. - We've talked about a couple of them. One, two, Freddie's coming for you is indelible. Freddie has like a long term project is amazing. I gotta tell you something, this time around, that fucking guy on fire was amazing. That guy's on fire for like two minutes. - I had that too. It's like a continuous shot. - I can't believe he didn't die. Like he's like running around the back and forth and the basement all the way up to stairs and into the bedroom. I'm sure that like they had some tricks there, but like they talk about it in the making of documentary. Like, yeah, we got the best fire guy. This guy's just really good at being on fire. (laughs) I'm just like, how do you find that out? (laughs) - Say no to a more fire. I can handle more. I can do two now. - Terrence, how did they do it? What did they do to you? - It's like a chemical that they can put on your clothes that like, it's like superficial burns 'cause it's burning the chemical and not you, but he's got like, tarping and all the stuff on. - Yeah. - Myers at the end of Halloween too, they did their version of that with him and it really feels fake, feels way more realistic. My number one would say it's the best. So this movie's been in my life now since I was like in eighth or ninth grade, whatever year it came out. And when I saw it, when I was at that age, you know, I'm attracted to Heather Lynch and Camp and Nancy and Tina, Marge. And then as you get older, it's like, you know, it's Marge is looking pretty good. Now I've moved into the Marj range when I watch this movie, like fucking Marj, man. She needs to find the right guy, that bathroom, the bus steps, she could have it all figured out. Kind of a sleeper. I wasn't thinking that it was in the ninth grade though. It's true. Yeah. Okay. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. We need to change the chart, man. Yeah. He's off the chart. He breaks it. Yeah. I've burned alive child predator with finger knives. Child murderer. Child murderer. I didn't want. Yeah. It's offended. I think that is age the best. The faster. Yeah. Them choosing murderer, I think over a molester. Yes. I think 40 years later, I think we'd be looking at this now being like, yeah, also because like if he's, you're right, if he's explicitly a child molester, and this is like, nobody's like, yeah, get him Freddie. Nobody's dressing up as Freddie for how exactly because he couldn't do it. Because part of these movies is like, you're not like excited for the next kill, but you kind of are. You're like interested in it and you're not rooting for the bad guy, but you're like taking part in it in the movie. And if he's a child molester, you're like, okay, the dream world is, okay, we're doing a lot of work between child molester and child killers. I just want to call it. No, but I'm saying, wasn't it originally supposed to be? It was. I was thinking if it were to be real stories that happened that they didn't want to go there. But I'm fucking with you. It was the right move. I think it was the right move too. Yeah. But also the dream world is so interesting, like the world that Freddie creates is so interesting. It's like extension of the boiler room. Of the boiler room and all that stuff. Yeah. And the scratching. Yes. The noises of this movie would have been great in the theater. Like, like, it's one of the worst noises, you handle it. Great shot, Gordon. Would you have seen my fingers coming out of the water for the bathtub. So that's the answer, but, but there is a gorgeous shot. Tina in front of the boiler room, in front of the boiler itself, it just pristine, perfectly framed. But you, you know that she's barefoot, she's wearing a nightgown, she's so vulnerable, and you know, it's got to be hot. It just like kid in danger sets the stakes for the answer. There's a bunch. I mean, the blood coming out of the mattress, glingoing into the mattress. Yeah. There's so many, like this movie is. He is the right one. It's the bathtub. Yeah. Right. After that, even too, when she gets dragged down, there's a great bird's eye shot looking down at the tub. Oh, yeah. It is. It is, it is the bathtub shot. Yeah. Yeah. Nineth grade bill, but really watched that bathtub scene closely, trying to do the same thing. I get it. Freeze frame. Yeah. And she had the closet scene, too. That was another. Yeah, the all 22. Trying to look at the side. Big Hunter burger word, best use of food and drink. Obviously, Marges. It's not obviously that there is another one over Marge with the, she thinks the kid went to sleep. Really brief moment towards the end of the film, where Marge goes into Nancy's room. And Nancy has stay awake there. She's got all sorts of like, she's got a coffee maker that takes the coffee maker walks out. Nancy wakes up. Pulls out another coffee maker. Yeah. Right. She's like, dude, it's a fucking electricity. She's drunk. She's got two extra coffees. Right. The answer is the coffee. That's what you say. When you say best use of food and drink her, we think of food to stay a lot of coffee maker. Yeah. She has to drink the coffee. She's pounding coffee. That's the answer to the fun. It's a fucking donuts in her room. They definitely thought of that like concept or like, well, wouldn't the mom just take away the coffee maker? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. What did she add a secret behind the second one? Yeah. It's pretty good. I still like the vodka and the linen closet. Yes. It's. Yeah. My vodka's gone. All right. I'll see you later. Have a good night. Got my closet vodka. Chess Rockwell, Brock Lander's award for best character name. The two boys in this movie are named Glenn and Rod. Rod lean. What do we do in that again? Yeah. Fred Krueger. You don't think Fred. Glenn Rod and Fred with Tina and Nancy, it's like these names are out of the 1950s. When are you going to lie? Who's our, who's our most recent Rod? I mean, I know you can just shorten it from Rod. It's a Ross Strickland. Rod Strickland. Rod Tidwell. Rod Benson had a cup of coffee. Yeah. But we don't have a lot of, not a lot of our Rodneys, not going back. Yeah. Yeah. We've moved to Rodney. Yeah. This really what's happened. That's how we don't have any dicks anywhere. That's right. No rods or dicks. Yeah. Joe House's father Dick House, one of the last dicks. It's that name Dick House, Richard House, okay, Dick? Kid Cuddy, proceed to happen. It's a word for best needle drop. No songs in this movie, which is really good for it. I think one of the two Freddy's coming for you. Yeah. So that's the winner, better fault. Was there a better title for this movie? Dreamweaver. Yeah. Never go to sleep. Never go to sleep. All of that. A nightmare on Elm Street is just a fucking ranger. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. They really named the hell out of these movies. Serious fucks category. I just had it. I've said this accidentally. It's a book about metals award for the belatedly best quarter change. You could take any number of Nancy Marge interactions. Some real like acting going on between Langen Camp and Ronnie Blakely. But mother what's with the bars when she comes home and the security bars have been put out in one school day, has it had a two story house completely security barbed up and has now drank a bottle of citron and is falling asleep with the keys. Yeah. Who's doing that? That would take I think a couple days. Yeah. That is straight. That's not a union job. She went to like straight taskwrap it. Yeah. Yeah. The van lathe in a word that this movie being more black people, he's got to hear me out. There's a poster of black people in Glen's room and seeing the background. Who are they? I couldn't tell. He's free. Free's framing. Can you comment yours or something like that? It's like the whispers like it's a letter, Richie. Yeah. He likes a little R&B. This movie goes up a notch if Don is black. Who's Don? Rod. Rod, excuse me. Rod, excuse me. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. Rod is black. If Rod is black. If Rod is black, this movie is electric. This movie goes up a notch, if Rod is black. And you know what, is this, is this before cry freedom? Is it because Denzel have got no. This would be Denzel, right? Denzel. Okay. So Rod's sneaking over. Why is he sneaking over? Because no one can see him. No one can see him with Tina because there's illicit racial undertones. He also gets up there with Tina. Think of the scene where Johnny Depp is laying down and Rod is up there. He Tina out of frame, that feels like that feels different, right? I'm not going to know to how he actually dies. That mean what we might have to change, but that might not, that we might have to change. But all of the things is none of the town believes him. He's framed for the death of this white chick that he's been talking to. None of the town believe Nancy is on the side of him. That. Why do you think that he's guilty? This. Why do you think Rod had to do it? Why do you think this? Why? Because that on some bullshit. Yeah. Right. Dad is looking at, you know, we shouldn't have never let his family into this town in the first place. The whole night. This is pretty good. If he is black in this movie, this goes up canonically though, there is a black family in Elm Street or in Springview, as I would say, Springwood. Springwood? Is King Cade in Dream Warriors is one of the Elm Street, so there must have been a black family in town. Right. What if King Cade ends up being? Rod King Cade. Rod's kid. Yeah. Is his illegitimate kid? Or his little, probably his little brother, yeah. Well, this leads me to the Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weekly in the film, which is Rod, because he's terrible at this. That's awful. This is awful. This is awful. We're casting what ifs comes in. Rod, there's just, there's just a mess. What ifs that are pretty tantal. But also, we should say that the actor is very, very forthright about the fact that during this time. He had like real issues. He was like even part of, he was using heroin at this time, and so like, it took away from the performances. No. Yeah. He said in 2014 that he was snorting heroin in the bathroom between takes. Right. That he was high in heroin during the jail cell scene with Nancy, who said the actress said, his eyes were watery and they weren't focused. And I thought, wow, he's given the best performance of his life. So he's having a lot of issues. His name is Sue Garcia, but he was credited as Nick Cory in this movie, and we could have done better than Rod. He's bad. He's bad from the first time you see him when he's, is he a bad guy? Is he heckling her? What? It's his boyfriend? He's so clear. Like, because she disses him. He didn't know what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, he's like, which way? I was like, he's like a who? Who is he? And he's the greaser kind of thing. Yeah. And outsiders or whatever. But then like, they obviously all hang out together. Like, they must hang. And after he says, like, yours were the lawnmower or whatever he says to her, Nancy goes, well, you know, he's crazy about you. So they did, you know. Yeah. And he was like, you guys can't leave. You can't leave me alone with him. Do you guys have a different week link than this? It has to be right. I think that in retrospect, Nancy's mom is like an ironic, fun character, but I think they left something on the table by not having somebody a little bit more dialed acting. Like, so one thought your respect to Roddy Blakely, who's like so one note, so like I have her as the week. I know Bill. You can't get old. And she does like, she's doing like soap opera acting where she like walks to the camera. And it's like, I have to tell you something, Nancy. You know, it's like, I have more thoughts on this in a later category. Okay. What saves the worst for these arms stretch, we probably, it's probably the one special. so effect we could have done better. - Here's what I like about it though. - And our whole scene, which I had mentioned, we were doing it for a washable scene, is that's also a scene that operates on DreamLogic, where Tina is running but not fast enough. - Not going anywhere. - It's like that feeling of like, why can't I outrun this person? He's not even running that fast and like him. - And I think it's deliberately filmed that way. They almost are having her fake run invention. - Also, I can't go there with you on that one because it's too iconic of a scene. It kind of demonstrates Freddie's ability to be whatever he needs to be in the dream. - I just think if you did it in '26, they'd be doing a better job. - Well, they would do all this stuff too. - Yeah, it would be better, but I don't think-- - But it's two guys with fishing poles standing right there. That's amazing. - Sleeping with crucifixes over your bed we mentioned. Not being able to just Google Fred Krueger in 1984 stands out, like if this is all happening and I'd be like, oh, just Google would happen. - Yeah, where's the press? - Yeah. - Why didn't you? - Remember film strips? Remember going to-- - Microphiche. - Microphiche. - Yeah. - Are you from the Microphiche era? - No, he's not. - When I wanted to know a new story from the past, I had to go to LSU's library and in LSU's library, they had Microphiche where they had all of these old news stories. They had to look up the old news papers. - News papers. - News papers. - All like to turn through them. - You go cross side after like an hour. - Tina was only 15. - What are the characters in this movie? - 15, in the script she's 15. - So Nancy was 15 too. - I guess. - I think everybody was in a tent. - It doesn't really make sense for Dream Warriors 'cause it's supposed to be six years later in Nancy's a graduate student who's interning at a mental hospital. - Why don't they just make these kids senior in high schools? - Or juniors. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was that 15 must weird. - Jungle Man Fixed Jane was just, from a wedding stage, the worst. That was a Tarzan thing. I don't know if they-- - It's not hitting. - Yeah. (laughs) - I have to change that too, but I don't know if they, you know. The four endings, which we talked about earlier, the fact that they were really, there seemed like there was real animosity about where this ended, and it was pretty interesting. - We haven't talked about this. It, there seems to have been between Shay and Craven a lot of back and forth on how the movie should be. Like these guys and-- - Robert Shay was the head of the line. - Robert Shay wasn't head of the new line. - Yeah. - This goes on to the next film, which, you know, they got out really quick because they needed a sequel. - Well, 'cause Shay saw dollar signs and Craven's just trying to make the best movie possible. - Mm-hmm. - But also Shay saw himself as something of a filmmaker. - Yeah. - And he directed like the, the, the stair scene. He's like, "If you like this scene so much, you should direct it." - Right. - And he was like, "Well, Wes was nice enough to let me direct it, yeah." - And they were, and you know, Wes Craven said that was part of the, the piece offering was, I let him call action and cut on this, but they were going back and forth a lot about where this movie was supposed to go. - I, I guess I, I don't mean to not have a take on it. I don't really know what the best ending would have been for him to be like this. - I don't either. I read all the possible ones and none of them. - It's also this is now in '84. So has Friday the 13th, part two come out already? I assume, right? - Oh, yeah. - I think three, three. - How we knew he was at that point. - Halloween two is out by now, right? So. - Of the first three we're at. - One of the things that's so cool about this movie is that you can tell that they've learned the lessons of some of the other earlier films. Like there is, there's no, you have to wait 45 minutes for a kill. Like the way that you have to in Halloween and in Friday. This is like immediately something bad happens. But clearly they knew that if this was successful there was gonna have to be sequels. So they probably should have baked that into the script itself probably. - Well, also at New Line there was something happening that they had to, to in order to get the movie finance to give away a lot of their royalties and all of the, their merchants and stuff like that. So they actually didn't see a lot of the financial windfall that came from the success of this movie. So the way for them to make money was to get another one out as soon as possible. - So we had to do that with the watch. - Right. - We gave a bunch of the watch profits to the Mafia in 2000. - Yeah. - For real. - Yeah. - The Department of Guests. - My biggest one. - Two giant, what's age to worse for me? That I guess could also be considered nitpicks, but I really feel like it's a what's age to worse. Glenn's room has bugged the shit out of me since 1984. - Why? - First of all, there's no girls anywhere on the walls. This is the only ninth grader in America that didn't have like swimsuit issue up there. - Swimsuit issue. The old Cheryl Teague's poster, Heather Thomas, Heather Locklayer, like nothing. He's got one music poster. - He's into YouTube. - Maybe he's like more into fucked up. - If you actually look at his, it's the weirdest fucking room. It's like, who is this kid? That's one. Really bugs me. And then the second one was, so Freddie killed 20 kids in the same neighborhood. 20? This goes into my what's age to worse, is that there's an artificial dampening of reaction to this. The Freddie crimes themselves, no one would live there. - First of all, if somebody killed 20 kids in the same neighborhood. - They're just like, I guess. - They're just the most famous murder we've ever had. - And his neighborhood is a rap. - Yeah, this is not raising much child town in this neighborhood. - And every fucking kid would know, you have one murder in your town. - Yes. - Everybody knows the house, what happened. But they know that it's him to a degree. Like, 'cause she doesn't the mom tells her. It's like, oh, we had this guy. - I don't prove her. - 'Cause they know it's a funeral for Rod. It was the funeral for when she's like, when clearly the mom and dad are like-- - Well, what I'm saying is, it's like Freddie's back. - There's something else that happens while Freddie's a lot, 'cause wife goes missing. But we don't know that. - We don't know that now, but I'm just saying overall. So it's actually more than just the fact that 20 kids-- - But maybe do four kids? - Right. - Four kids is pretty scary. - I mean, even how many? 20 is like the whole stage origin story in three, and you find out he is the bastard son of a hundred maniacs who has been like conceived in a just grotesque fashion at an asylum. - Yeah, his mom or dad. - You're like, what, like we need to have federal intervention. Where was Reagan? You know, like who didn't step in here and put a net on this spot? - Seriously, you guys are right. If 20 kids went missing, it won't break. - Okay, what's the right number of kids for everybody in town to know about this? Like four? - Yeah. - For so should've. - Under five! - Four. - Five. - Like two? Like I feel like it'd be pretty bad for the three. - Five is probably-- - Can we put up a poll? Did you have, do you have a murder where you grew up or anything like a death or a fire or anything? - No, but I'm saying like a famous one. Like a famous one. - Oh, no, not really, not like in this vein. Not like in this vein. - I feel like if one kid was murdered, it would've been all we talked about for 10 years. Like little Bobby. - You can't do one though. - It's the anniversary of when that-- - No. - Fuck it's year for one. - The same guy killed three kids on three different occasions. It would be a huge hit. - But we do have like, like we're getting out. Like we're not living here anymore. - We are in the heyday 70s and 80s of the serial killer. - True. - So people are popping up missing and going into the serial killer. - Sure. - So like I feel like five, six could be a thing. 20 is a lot. The only other would say to wear this is there is a scene where glam comes out of the bed. That's on the DVD cup, but they didn't put in the movie. And I was wondered why they didn't put it in the movie. - You didn't think it was out or-- - Yeah, his body comes out after-- - Is it gruesome or is it-- - I don't know. They just, maybe they thought it was too gross. Any other would say to wear this? - I mean, I just, I had the lack of alarm over the grotesque and inexplicable nature of multiple killings on the part of the police department. And then, yeah, it's just funny to watch the kids sass their parents so much. I don't think that that-- - I'm so glad you brought this up. And you guys' culture, isn't that a thing? You guys' culture? - Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. - You mean white people? - Yeah, and the culture that you guys, like, 'cause I used to watch Belvedere back in the day, right? Mr. Belvedere and the kids in Mr. Belvedere who just talk crazy shit today, parents. You don't understand me, mom. And they're like storm out of the room. Dead, I'm dead. - There was this show. There was this Disney show called Jesse. - Yeah. - When Ben and Zoe were little kids. You remember Jesse? Debbie Ryan on Disney? The kids were sassy and our kids started to be sassy like the Jesse kids. We made them, we got rid of Jesse. So you're not watching this anymore. - Right. - You know, well, I'm not the fucking parents from Jesse. You're not gonna talk to him. - So, I mean, but I've also witnessed this. I had a friend who his parents had got divorced. - White friend? - White friend. - Okay. - Yeah, like his parents had got divorced. And his mom was, you know, she's not Jesse. He was having, you know what I'm saying? So she would come back from being out on the date or whatever. She was out there trying to see what she was, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And she would come back. And he would like, like, give it a sassar. - Yeah, you would sassar. And I just never was, so I thought that that was like the way the things were. - There's a huge spectrum of it for whites. You know, like I'm not seeing kids curse out their mom using direct address. - Mmm. - I've also seen kids get the leashanked. - I love it. - I legitimately, one time when my dad says something to me, I went, and I smack and he went, oh, you smack your mouth. You smack your mouth. Come here, sit on the ground. Like you couldn't even-- - Do you think that that-- - Make a gesture of parenting protected you from Freddie Crueber. Probably not. Not Freddie really wanted it. - Yeah. - Freddie wanted it, Freddie, go get it. There's one thing I have to ask the worst. And it's a question. So the '80s, you know, he's in his briefs. You know, Rod is in his brief, called him done again. Rod is in his briefs. - Yeah. - When did you stop Rod Don, or that Rod Don, when did you stop with briefs? 'Cause the '80s was a real-- - Middle school. - It was middle school for you. - Boxers. - I'm gonna give you a year that you stopped. - That I stopped? - I think it was 98. - 98s late, I know. - I know for Bill, but I think Bill was probably a briefs guy. about 98. I mixed it out. Honestly mixed it up. Boxers went back to the briefs, but I did have briefs on once. That's why my my fantasy team with my high school college friends, my my team name is the bidin hammocks. But they were more because my mom bought the underwear and I had it on and my friend camp thought this was the funniest thing ever that I had a pair of these but I was mostly box. I switched to boxers when Buckelboy stopped started popping off. Yeah, I feel like once you got to the point to where I was, remember I knew this girl, she was like you wear draws draws, like actual draws and then I couldn't problem as boxers more higher sperm count. Oh yeah, that's another thing that happened. That actually was a big deal. The briefs bring the sperm count down. Yeah. Boxers. Yeah, okay. Cool. That's actually college. It's, you know, because when that came out, it was like people wearing a tight calvin' clients. Yeah. I'm like, when you see that in the 80s, there wasn't a run for that. That seems to have gone away. Rufflo Hannah Rubeneck, Partridge, overacting word. Rod is going to win this one going away. Van, you have a flex. No list this time. I really desperately wanted to do a list of the all-time best deals with it. Sorry, he listed every nightmare and home stream with the sometime list. Yeah, no list. The Tale of Being Award for a performance so good and distinct, it may have ruined the actor's career. Now, I cannot go so far as to say that Freddie Krueger ruined Robert England's career because he's played him for so long, right? But he is Freddie. As much as Mark Hamill is Luke Skywalker. As much as Christopher Reeve is Superman, he Robert England for a long time when I was truly afraid of Freddie. I cannot see his face because I saw him. So he couldn't have been like Kramer and Seinfeld. Yeah, right. Yeah. So like for him, this is the defining role. And when you look at his career before this, yeah. I mean, he wasn't V, which is another one. He was in V, which was a, yeah. Oh, yeah. Showback of that. But when you look at his career before it is, he was playing kind of different sorts of roles. After this, it had to be horror and most certainly had to be Freddie. And most in like, his notable performances, even within like that context are like meta-textual commentaries on being Freddie Krueger. Right. Yeah. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word. I have a feeling you guys are going to go nuclear. So I'll just say that, Wes Craven is going to do an appetizer for us. Yeah. I'll just throw like a couple of potato skins on the table and say that Wes Craven is as good as directing Teenage Hangouts as he is a directing horror. And that's actually the secret to his horror success. I like this. Is that like when you hang out with them for 15 minutes in the first act, you're like, I really care about what happens these four. You know, like he is able to establish like link later, believable human behavior that when it's terrorized by like other worldview observation. It's just like, you're like, no, not Tina. Yeah. I like Tina. Yeah. Yeah. He uses a lighter touch in those scenes. He, you know, he kind of reminds me of GZ. Young GZ? Young GZ. How so? Because when you are listening to Young GZ, when you listening to GZ, when GZ is at his peak, there are times where you feel like nobody has ever been as good as this guy is right now. Yeah. Then I go on Twitter and I go, Hey, man, GZ, one of my top five rappers. GZ's genre doesn't allow people to think that he's that super dope. So they have to say in in trap, you know, if I have to be eliminated by, but he is, to me, the music is so phenomenal. And it takes me to another place that I just think of him as transcending it. And that's how that's the way that I look at what Craven, like such a master of his genre. I think he can stand next to other filmmakers in that way, even though he kind of just makes the one genre besides like music at a heart where he tried to like show what else he could do. I think I'm not scared nominated. I know, but he's so, he's so, he's so good at this and doing everything about it. I think he demands to be up there with the other guys. Yes. See, all right. It's why I wanted to give Heather Langenkamp the Sasha Jenkins award for the character actor. I couldn't believe didn't, didn't become a bigger star. Yeah. Because yeah, I watch her in this. And I'm like, why isn't she in John Hughes movies after this? Right. And maybe she didn't have the chops, but to your point, the way that Wes, like, is able to direct her in this movie, I thought she should have been among all those people in the 80s. Can I tell you how bad for you scared me in the 80s? She was on another show with this guy who had like 15 kids or something like that. She was like, on one of those, we got a lot of kids shows, you know, she was like the mom or the daughter. She's 7, 10 or something like that. Yeah. She was what's the name of the show? 80s enough. Somebody look, she was on a show where it was like, the dad had a bunch of kids and it was like, what are you guys know? Just the 10 of us. Just the 10 of us was the name of the show. The Sean camp show. If the ending head for his hour. Oh, man, every booted just the 10. I'll be funny. That's fun. It's in the video. And Lamello played his like zining deeper. Hey man, you try to get some shots up. Oh, there is a shot at him like interact to go to bed. And somebody tweeted like not a single brain cell being changed. I know when you're like, you know that they're talking about like probably something going against my ass. But that show when that show came on, I used to be scared of that show. Just from seeing her. Yes. She was on the show. So I will watch the show every now and again. It will come on. And I would think that one day Freddie was going bust into the living room. Yeah. These people, these people. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah. So she was to me very connected to the whole thing. Anyway, Greg, you have a hot tick? Yeah. What's there? I think Freddie is a miss, but it's why the movie stands the test of time because they didn't know because they didn't get it right the first time. Interesting. I think I think the wave, I think like his whole thing, he looks like a dime store magician in this movie. And he's like weird gloves in his hat, the Fedora that's embroidered with his name on it, his long arms, like the red in the green. I don't think any of it is really all that great, but I actually think it has made the movie palatable. And perhaps you could argue that West knows that this is a children's nightmare. And this is what kids are afraid of. But, but I think if he was too good, the movie would be too scary and telling me if you see Freddie outside of Barney's Beatery at 1am, you're not scared. I think I think you actually would. I think he's all over. But I, I just think like Freddie's kind of lame to me and doesn't isn't that scary or doesn't really work, but it, but it stands a test of time because it, it softens the movie, I think if Fred, if Craig was found dead tonight, Elvator, Elvator blood bed, he told me that it was a lot of arms and the gloves. What do you have been? Where do you want me to go first? I'm going. How are you going? I'm not going at how I'm the, I, these kids are kind of getting what they deserve. I'll just be honest with you. Never asking for it. Now does their parents cry? Yeah. Now that I look at it, I'm kind of team Freddy. You can't do this, man. Okay. So apparently they didn't collect this evidence. It was a critical error on a search. That's fine. You didn't sign a search warrant in the right place. I got rights. I got rights as an American. You have to collect the evidence in the right way. There's a way that you have to go, we live in the country of loss. I got off on the technicality. Hey, go to somebody. Bring the trial back. Bring it back. Like bring the whole thing back. Do the whole, but you can't click up and just kill me. I can make an argument that Freddy was lynched. You can't just click up and kill, you can't do it that way. And guess what? You try to kill me. A dream demon came to me and say, Hey, you want to get them back? I'm like, I'm good on to get back forever. You can't do it that way. They were arrogant. And they took the law into their own hands. And they kind of got what they deserved a little bit, but their kids never did anything. I don't think that why isn't Freddy going after March? Because Freddy is not thinking, but at the same time, he's still working out of this. He's still working out, but at the same time when I looked at this and she's telling that story, by the way, she kept a trophy. She fucked up, dog. The mom kept the trophy. Yeah. She victoried up the thing. I looked at this. I'm like, Hey, bruh, we a nation of laws, man. Justice is hard. She put a championship banner up in the kitchen. If you get involved in vigilante justice like that, all of that type of shit, whatever comes from that, you kind of got to deal with it, man. Freddy kills the kids and not the parents because that's worse to a parent. Like a parent would rather die than have their kid die. Okay. Right. I agree. Fred was working on a book called If I Did It. He was working on the book deal. My hat is take. This is really for Van. I think of all the movies that were made in the 1980s. This is the one that most resembles the structure of a 1980s porn. Every time Freddy, yeah, see, I need to get to this one. It's it's first of all, we have the bad acting, especially from the mom who I love the mom, but she's a terrible actress. Right. All the scenes like it's just very porny. It's like, Hey, what's going on here? Rod porn actor. And we have these like kind of set up scenes for the sex. But in this case, it's for the Freddy is showing up, right? So it's set up Freddy. Set up Freddy. But then we have different circumstances where it's like, oh, the three of them are hanging out. Somebody's going to make some popcorn. Yeah. The mom's feeling bad for herself on Saturday night. Boom, boom, boom. And then we get the big sequence at the end where it's like, oh, now she's going to have her showdown with Freddy. So I did look good up to see if this movie had a porn parody. It does. And it did. And it was called a wet dream on Um Street. That's cool. But I think the the beats of this and Wes Craven was not surprised to find out - Made some porn. - Yes. - Just Craven, so he made some porn, a horror movie. - And you know what Wes Craven's porn director name was? - It should have just been Wes Craven. - I'm really happy I get to tell you this for the first time. - Oh, I can't wait to find out. - Abe Snake. - Abe Snake, that's the type of shit I'm talking about. - Abe Snake. - I moved that we, for the, did this movie have a porn adaptation? The Abe Snake award, the Abe Snake award, from this, yeah, that's pretty good. - Casting what ifs, Charlie Sheen, honed in on "Glambo" wanted too much money. - He did not, he did not say it. - He did not say, "Casting director does not deny it." And Charlie Sheen has lied about just a million things. - Yes. (laughing) - And seems to be a pretty awful guy. David Warner was originally cast to play Freddy, but apparently it was too big, but they went through the thing with them. Did you believe Roy Scheider for the dad? - I did not. I mean, Roy Scheider made some bad movies in the '80s, but I don't think it was at this level. - And then allegedly Demi Moore, Courtney Cox, Jennifer Gray, all addition. - There's one other one that was deep in the IMDB trivia of this one, which was Ralph Machio for Rod. And that's where we need to be. - Yeah. - That or key for? - You're gonna have my name. - What's the thing he says about the, my name, your name, Tatuton, my great, my peace, my peace. - It's such an interesting time in Hollywood because when you hear them talk about who might've ran for the role, it's like Charlie Sheen, Brad Pitt. - Yeah. - That's why it's tough to believe. - It's like all of these guys. - But then the casting director was like, IMDB Brad Pitt for like five more years. - But then we always talk about this. So we do a movie like Obsession and there's like no casting what ifs. - Yeah, but then as the years pass, it's like, yeah, we do me more and then just people keep adding stuff to Wikipedia. - Right. - So I never know what to believe. Joey Pantsalward, best that guy. John Saxon, I think is, - I think he's a that guy. - There's a better one. - Manda Weiss, no. - The guy from the end of Zodiac, Charles Flesher. - Charles Flesher, yeah, I know. - Is he Charles Flesher? - I think he's a that guy. - I think Saxon is too though. - He's a that guy to Craig. - Of course, yeah. - Craig doesn't, yeah. There's people with no John Saxon anymore. - There's an amazing that guy though that Trump's all of these and it's a lady. And it was the teacher, Lin Shea, Robert Shea's front. - I had that for Dion Waders actually. - Robert Shea's sister, who would go on to play Magda and there's something about Mary. - Oh, she also plays her in this movie. - She becomes Magda down the road. - And she's a screen queen. - She's a screen queen. - She's a bunch of people. - Yeah, I didn't connect her with Magda and something about Bob Shea's sister. - Yeah, yeah, it's a sister. Apparently they did not, was she? - She was in a mess. - Oh, Magda and something about Mary. I thought you meant Magda in Sex and the Sea. - No, Magda in Sex and the Sea. - Okay. - And something about Mary. - Something about Mary. - Dion Waders awards a tough one 'cause we really only have main characters. - Would you go depth? Here is that too many. - He's in it too much. - Rod? - No, I have, I don't like, I don't want to give a Rod an award. - I have, has a runner up the cop who won't get her dad at the end. - Oh yeah, that guy's great. - Whoa, what's going on over there? - That's good over there. - Yeah, my father. - But the winner, and I really want to think about this, is Glenn's dad. - Oh, that guy's awesome. - That short squatty guy who's just like, fucking ripping a beer and he's just pissed off. - Yeah, it's good out of here. - He's like, "That girl's crazy." - I don't want air talking to my son anymore. - I really enjoy that guy. Recasting couch, who did you have for Rod? - I like Machio. I like Kiefer Sutherland. Stand by me, Eric. Kiefer Sutherland trying for this one. - Dylan. - Matt Dylan. - Perfect. Like a outsider's name. - Yeah. - Let me have a few little S.I. Morales. - Oh. - Yeah. - Yeah. - There's a bad boy there, S.I. Morales. - Yeah. - Let's get some real acting in here. - What was the one he did with Shae Serrano? - Like, he was so good now. - Yeah. - Yeah, okay. - Like that guy. - Yeah. - Ending up on NYPD Blue. - I have a city. - Okay. - Boston? - Never. - Rod would have definitely been, anyway. - New Orleans could have been a fun city. - Yeah. - This could have been fun and like a little bit of a gothic Sutherland. - And a little bit of a gothic Sutherland. - Yeah, we get a little city. - Got a little bit of like spirits hanging around. - Yeah. - New Orleans could have been a fun city for this. - That's good. - Craig, you have a flex. - The Estelle Reiner, I'll have what she's having a word for the best contribution by a performer with two or a few reliance. I like Tina's mom's lover at the beginning of the movie just coming in and going. You coming back to the sack or what? (laughing) He just comes in, gets a QB pressure, he's out of the game. (laughing) - You know, I was having the worst nightmare of the life. It's like, yo, we're doing something here. - Yeah. - You're coming back more. - You're going to scare your friends. - It's so funny to watch these movies. The parents are always like giving back at 1 a.m. and they're like, "You're still up?" (laughing) - And they're always with the worst guys if they're divorced. It's always a guy like Becca. That's a good one. Half-facernate research, fictional street address of Nancy's house, 1428, North Genesee Avenue. It's like eight blocks from our sicklemore studio. Been there several times. - Yeah. - It's close. - Is it still the same house? - So it looks the same if you know the movie. - Yeah. - So like one of the first things that I did when I came here, my friend Jeff Burke, it's like, "Hey, you want to see the elementary house?" I was like, "Absolutely." So we went there and we stopped and then I got out and like stood in front of the crib and legitimately once again felt like-- - Screamed out. - Looking around, seeing if there's going to be little girls just roping at something like that, but it's right over there. - It is really weird. - For this exact purpose, but there are all these streets in West Hollywood like that. We're like the side street off of Beverly or off of whatever. You're like, "I'm just in the suburbs." - In the neighborhood. - Yeah, like I feel like I-- - Halloween's off of Sunset, where the Zanku chicken is and the orange grove and then it's two blocks down. The happy day's house is near the umstreet house but there's some weird ones. - But all those houses, those are all in the same area. - Yeah. - Yeah, like legitimately within like a month. - Especially like if there's leaves falling or anything. It really does look like-- - You can't even see just where the like, there's just so much money in this city 'cause those people obviously constructed like a fake suburb for one block. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Craven thought about having a sickle as the choice before he became the glove. - Yeah. - The glove was a good move. You mentioned the child moister thing when they did the 2010 remake with Jackie Earle Haley. He was a child moister. - Little children. - The bottomless tub we talked about. - Yeah. - It's like a crack, it's like too far, man. They shouldn't have done it. - The they wanted, they wanted everything to end. Like this is the ending that we argued about. It ends up being a dream within a dream within a dream. Which is really confusing the first time you see it but that's what they were aiming for. - In Dream Warriors, which I literally just watched but didn't remember hearing, does Nancy explain what happens actually at the end of Home Street? - I don't think she's like all my friends are dead. - Yeah, she says all my friends are dead. She's been taking that drug like to stay away like five years. - Well, not to stay awake to not dream. - Yeah, they're not dream. - For five years. But I don't think she does. She says all of her friends are dead. She, so they all die. - And her mother dies in her sleep later. So I think that it basically wipes the end of this movie off the map. - The car that they drove away in the end was a 1958 Caddo X Series 62 convertible. - And there's, you can see in the documentary and on YouTube, Freddie, they had one ending with Freddie driving them off. - Yeah. - But then they went with the tariff. - And when the top fell, it actually was the supposed to fall that hard and they're actually like scared the reaction is legitimate. And then that's really it except when Glen's listen the radio, the broadcaster says it's midnight. You're listening to station KGR, which is the acronym for Kruger, it's like that one in there. - Pretty good. - Oh, can't say something else that was snuck in there that I wanna miss. So the establishing shot before they're all in the house. - Yeah. - It's time you watch the movie, the establishing shot before they're all when they're all in the house, when they're like eating chips and he's playing the like the boom box. - Oh, and he's like, I gotta play my mom the sound effects tape. - The establishing shot from outside of it, there is like a hat on a rack and a figure that makes it look like Freddie is in there with them. It's like a weird thing not just picked up when I was watching this this time, if you look at the establishing shot itself. - It's probably intentional. - Yeah, it looks like Freddie is looming over them even while they're awake. - Hey, Peck Span, Heather Lenging Camp? - Yes. - I would have changed her name and just been Heather Camp. - Oh. - Like the fact that we don't really totally know how to pronounce her name is probably the best. - I think most people can say Lengen Camp, right? - Lengen Camp? - Yeah, I mean, but people look at a go Lengen Camp. - Is it a Hollywood name? - Lengen Camp. - Yeah, yeah. - Is it a Hollywood name, probably not, yeah. - How about Lengen? - Lengen. - Heather Leng. - Heather Lengen? - Amanda West. - Amanda West West. - Is it West West? - I don't know. - Johnny Depp. - Johnny Depp is a no. - No, fucking wrong. - West Craven. - No, I think Scream is. - I think it's Scream. - Renee Blakely, probably Nashville. - Yeah. - The Kaccia Institute for the Study of Sleep Disorders. - Yes. - You think this really existed? Did you Google this? - I did not, and I have a note about that soon. - Interesting. - 80s horror movies. - Nah. - I mean, what is it? - Top it. - 80s. - 80s horror movies. 'Cause Halloween. - Halloween. - Halloween Chainsaw. So it's basically against Fred at 13th, that franchise, Halloween four. Do Freddie sequels out apex this one though? Because by the time we get to the end of the 80s, we're talking about one nine hundred numbers. We'll Smith records. We're talking about Freddie as a legitimate cultural force. But I still think this is the best one. This is the best one. I know, but when I think of you guys got to help me understand as many of these episodes as I've ever loved to hear me on this. So like it, you guys have to, why did you say that to, why did you say that derisively? Is apex, I thought apex mountain wasn't the number one best. It's where it's at its peak. It's when you have your most juice. But the concept falls apart when we start doing 80s for movies. I think I would, because it's, there's no way to answer it. He's just asking is this the greatest horror film of the 80s? Yeah, I think I, I think so. What about the shining? Is that count? Oh, man, I create this. That's there's no way that there's no way that like, there's no way to, there's no way to. Bangkok Craig just became Macau Craig from downtown. Come back. Come back to the sack, honey. Well, that's so funny. Bro, she's sweating. The mom's like, stop cutting yourself in your sleep. Like the whole thing's like, hey, come get on my joint. That's so funny, bro. The, we have Fairfax mountain. Balinese dream skills. Not sure it's ever been done better. I mean, she mastered that art very quickly. Yeah. 80s milk mom. So I think we probably did better. Booby trapping. No, Kev came along and changed that. That's in the 90s. Oh, of the 80s. Yeah. 80s booby trap. Yeah. Yeah. Cruise or hanks? Hanks is Glenn. Young hanks as Glenn. Oh, wow. I thought cruise. I think risking business cruise. I think hanks. I mean, the way the depth plays him, he has a goofy side. I think it would have been good. Hanks. I have Craig. I got a cruise. They both work. I think that's a great one. Yeah. I added this one for you guys. The Ed Norton reverse dunkle word that this movie need a random sports scene. So it's established Glenn's a jock. Okay. One point she says, you're a jock. He's going to football jersey. And it seems like Rod knows him in some sort of sports way because he tackles him, which leads me to believe Glenn is on the football team. With the crop top as well. And he's wearing number 10, which would suggest quarterback, which would be a pretty big cat. You know what I could use? Practice football scene. Yeah. You know what I said would elect? Nancy and the bleachers watching it tired. You know what I said? Would have really enjoyed Freddie under the bleachers. So fucking easy. It's two minutes on the planet. Yeah. What are we doing? If this is the third movie when Freddie's having more fun, then legitimately, he has a dream and he's on the field. Freddie's playing Dn. And Freddie's the Dn. And he keeps coming out of him. Freddie keeps pounding him. And pounding him and pounding him. Yeah. Except he's making those Freddie jokes. Yeah. Call this passing or furious. Hot legal hands to the heart. That's the one. Yeah. Unnecessary roughness. We did. This was I had never understood why we didn't get more fake sports scenes in 80s movies, but this was these even cried a kid. We get a little soccer with macho when he tries after the team. He used the crew from Lucas. Just to come on. He's a bar. You guys. And then when would I have died thrillers and horror only? I think when I heard the first story about Fred Krueger killing 20 children, I would have I would have passed out. No, I wouldn't have died. You would not have died in Nightmare on Elm Street. No, no, no, no, no, because but if I came to work right now, oh shit, see, live. If I came to work right now and you, Mallory, Joe and Craig were like, yo, man, we all had the same dream about this one guy. Not fucking quit. I'm out. You're out. Yeah, like you leave L.A. I'm like out, like I'm out. I'm away from y'all. Like like we all had the same dream. We dreamed of this guy with this fun done gone. Like call him. Yeah, like something's going on. I'm out of here. And like you, they just stayed around till they fucked around and found out. I think I die if I'm right in Tina's room. I'm just like, take me out, dude. I'm not recovering. Oh, yeah. No way. I would not. I just, I'm just like just the brothers and survive coming for me. You know, run for it. You know what I mean? Like he didn't barefoot me and track down picking nits. I have the biggest picking nits here. The sleep doctor who knows nothing about dreams. So when Marge is like, what are dreams? Anyway, doctor, he's like mysteries. Incredible bodyhocus focus. I'm like, you run a sleep clinic. If that's like the fucking answer you. That's the number one question he gets. This is like, I wonder if this is like Mike McDaniel with the chargers where they're like, how do we run this offense? He's like, I don't know. He worked with two of her. I also don't understand how Nancy has independent jail visitation privileges because she goes down and sees Rod the first time. It's like, yeah, why are they letting a teenager go visit a murder suspect? And the most violent murder the town's had in 10 years. Yeah. The last one is like, I don't know if this jumped out at you guys, but I guess I feel like the last 20 minutes kind of breaks some of the logic of the movie and that Nancy Freddie is now attacking Nancy and waking life. Like Nancy's not asleep when the tongue comes out of the phone, right? That is the biggest picking. Well, there is a theory on that is that she's the bridge and she's well, the theory is that during that time she's experiencing something called hypogenic hallucination to where are you making this up as you go on? This is your your he knows more than the Kai Institute sleep doctor. Yeah. No, I'm serious. Okay. There's a theory that I saw on a YouTube video that she's experiencing something called hypogenic hallucination, which is where you're in a halfway dream like state and Freddie in that state will be able to have can get you a little bit of power, but not like the full power because you're asleep, but you're not really sleep picking nets. Did you have any? So my only picking net is, well, number one, my picking net is if Freddie gets brought into the real world, then he's in the real world. And not believing in him is not going to make him go away. Very good point. So that that is a picking net. And then other than that is just the fact that like she turns into the Navy. So I've said that several times already. There's no explanation as to why that Freddie comes back in the real world. Like, I don't know, Morton Downey Jr. show. Probably that's the tour. Peraldo picking nets. Why does Glenn dress like he's playing golf and credits Connecticut later or something? Yeah, it's very one outfit. He has with like the blue Nike vest. It's awesome though. Did you notice this lens close? It's very preppy. Yeah, it's preppy. Yeah, but over the top like it's like more crazy preppy. Tina has, or I'm sorry, Nancy, her best friend dies. Rod escapes. Goes to school the next day. This is the craziest thing that happens in the movie where she's just like it's really important to Steve Busy mother. I got a nine o'clock English class. I got to the entire time would be quarantined. There's no school next day. Tina has just had a blood ceiling. They're all the ref counselors that are coming to the school. They're going to talk about it. If in fact anyone actually goes. No, for the week, no neighborhood visual on the news, the community is coming together to deal with this. Does the dad use her as bait or is that just what she accuses him of doing? She accuses him of possible. I think he was actually doing it though. Okay, because he was like, I didn't think you'd be like, I had to ride as a nitpick. Just hands covered in blood the next day. He didn't wash out. He was going to go, I don't know, get like a faucet. You could have, aren't you going to, and you're still carrying your switch plate. You're the fucking dumbest at some point. Are you like, oh man. Yeah, I'm in trouble. Got it. At least get rid of something. We have a funeral seat for Rod, but not Tina. Where was the Tina funeral? She was still in Vegas. She was on board to come back. Yeah, back to the sack. Freddie got off 20 child murders because they screwed up her search warrant. Just bring the case again. Yeah. Just bring, just, can you imagine the newspaper coverage of this one? Yeah, back in the streets. So that's not double jeopardy. Well, here's the thing. Was Freddie convicted and was in jail and then they let him out? Was this that happened? Something that happened in the trial? I think it's trial. I think, yeah, like a mistrial. Okay. There was impact. It's like, you're free to go, Fred Krueger. Yeah. I just think that the, and then Fred is like, cool. I'll just go back to my boiler room where I usually hang out. Yeah, they got it. That's what they the screen when she's screaming near the end, the cops don't care. It's just weird. And then my number one to pick, she finds Glenn's headphones at the end in the final dramatic show on scene and his headphones have Glenn on the side. Who the fuck is naming their two two-dollar headphones unless these were not nice headphones unless he actually is on the football team. If he's on the football team, he doesn't want anybody else to take him. He might have his name on his stuff. Interesting. Because it's also interesting because these are four seemingly only children. Right. So if Glenn had a little brother or older brother, be like, this is Glenn's shit. Don't touch my headphones. But if he's on the team, he's got his stuff in there. He's like, who's taking you might put his name on his shit so nobody steals his headphones. I got another Glendip pick. Yeah. Did anyone else have trouble with the fact that Like the end of the movie hinges on the fact that a 16 year old boy just can't stay up until midnight to save his life. Uh, I mean, yes. Yeah. He just he just can't get to midnight. As if he's not up to midnight every night of his fucking life. Yeah, that's a great point. Maybe he's getting up at five and doing like Mark Wahlberg workouts and stuff, but yeah. Should've made it like 4 a.m. or something. He's Wahlberg and he's like, I get up. I have salmon, I do a run, play nine and a whole bunch. Yeah. SQL prequel streamer, all black cast spin off remake or untouchable. We've done almost all these all black cast caught my attention. They did a TV show where it was basically like Freddy's nightmares and it was like a twilight zone thing, right? I missed a picking it. But yeah, my bad. Yeah. Go ahead. Did anybody investigate Freddy's death? You really just as for Freddy. Just as for Freddy's anybody. The anybody you investigate the anybody investigate Freddy's death, the people in the town got together and burned him alive. Yeah. And the home free. If the anybody investigate who cared enough about this American citizen, who like the anybody investigate his. I think they narrowed the investigation down to the 20 parents of the murdered kids. I'm saying no, like, if you went to Rachel Lindsay, and you were like, Rachel, there's a new, I have a new mission for this show. We need to exonerate a man who is wrongly accused of trying to and you were like, it's a man named Fred Krueger. Not a molester, just a murder. How long before Rachel was like, like Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy Krueger? Or do you think she would actually like go along with it for a while? So what you guys all know is every Halloween because Rachel knows I'm scared of Freddy. She dresses up like Freddy and she pops out. So she would know she wouldn't know. She wouldn't know. So she would know that. But I'm just sometimes like there's a pop culture like blind spot from time to time. Hey, you get at her. No, you get at her. You get at her. She scares me. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the florist or anyone else here? You know, I was doing a lot of research recently, going back several years into the Stephen A Smith archives. And so I just thought if Stephen A was a part of Nightmare, it would be so much more entertaining. Freddy Krueger is the one who's lying. I have interviewed Freddy Krueger. His rookie year, I interviewed him near Elm Street. I interviewed him years ago when we were in Orlando for Sports Center. And I've talked to him on several occasions, literally within the last year, we've run into each other in the dream realm. And we've also seen each other at 40, 40 because he's being represented by rock nation. I just love the idea of him getting deep into like telling Freddy not to not to lie about him anymore. What about animated Stephen A? Usually when he kids going missing and Freddy Krueger is the one at the center of the investigation. Did I say anything about that? Oh, I like what he does. When he comes back down 20 cues, that's a lot of you don't want to see me. Freddy Krueger, I'll haunt you. I was I was thinking Stephen A the day after Rod is found dead in the jail. So I said some things about Rod on the show a few days ago. And it turns out I was wrong. Rod did not commit a murder. No, but I had Byron Mayo for this. Byron Mayo, what was your line? Yeah. Byron Mayo as, or as the police from officer to gentleman being just with, uh, with the drunk milk mom. Yeah. And there's a lot of tension in this house. I know a couple ways to defuse it. What about we could all sleep like babies tonight? What about if Yaxl, Linda Borg lived on the street? Freddy ate shit. He's like, I saw him in my dreams. He ain't scary. I told him he was a bitch. I'll respect for Freddy. I love that. I love the axle. Just one asker who gets it. It has to be the stunt man at the end. It just has to. Oh, yeah, okay. That stunt, right? Best. He's kind of done fire for two minutes. I had West. I was pregnant. Yeah. Probably an answer for questions. I only have one. Do you think that John, you saw this? And got an idea for home alone. Oh. I've turned the house into a trap. It's an answer. I have no idea answerable. Yeah. It's a pretty good one. I had, why did we go through this phase in horror movies and romcoms, which might still be going where everybody has a neighbor that they're also romantically involved with that they can see from the window of their bedroom and they could see across. This is why this happened on one person in real life. You watch this. No, anyone who lived the first story about this and it saves you all the scenes of Heather has to get in a car and drive because it's easy. Yeah. It's even 13 going on 30 had this. This is love and basketball. They live next door to each other. Every horror movie. They did it. It follows. They had it. Do you know anyone that it's true for like like that as the girl next door. She's I loved her the whole thing. But it's got to be that because the girl is the thing. The girl next door is the thing. It's like a thing. It's a control. Yeah, but it's like, is it literally the girl next door or just a girl you went to like high school with or whatever? Yeah. The memorabilia most went from this movie. Got to be the glove, right? The glove or the hat. The hat could be the hat, but the glove or the hat. Gluen's TV. I'd like to introduce that to my marriage. It's just like getting the bed with Phoebe in that all of a sudden. I put a 25-pound television in the bed with us. In the research that said Heather Langen camp took the they made a special phone for when the tongue stuck out of the phone. She just took it home. So that's it. Yeah. Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, where best worse life lesson. Maybe don't get pounded pounded vodka at home every night. Maybe listening to your kids. Yeah, I think listen to your kids. Listen to your kids. Listen to your kids. Your kids are trying to tell you something. What do you have for double future choice? I got to room warriors because it's basically the sequel of this. It's basically the direct. I had new nightmare. New nightmare. Okay. Yeah. I have Freddy's dead because you get Freddy's kid in the house. I love Freddy's dead and we have Wes Grady-Brinford who won the movie. Yeah, without that. Craig. I actually know. I mean, well, you have to. Yeah. Craig, what do you got? I loved it. My favorite of Halloween months or horror months. I thought it was great. I like this movie particularly because it felt like it feels like you're on a ride at a theme park. Like this movie feels Halloween-y to me and that's why I like it. Like, I'm realizing that I am much more drawn to like holiday horror type movies because there really are just two completely different types. Like you have hereditary, which is its own thing and then you have like Halloween and Friday the 13th and nightmare in Elm Street, which is like holiday horror where it feels like you're just walking through a haunted house. Yeah. And I've realized I really actually like that. Rather than like real life horror. Like grim, dreadful horror, which just they're just two different genres to me. Yeah. The one, the thing that I thought about the most while watching this movie was Stranger Things. Stranger Things feels heavily influenced by this. Right. Anything else especially is basically like, yeah. I mean, all the way down to like the music. We didn't talk about it, but like there's like kind of spooky techno music in this movie that is like very stranger things. Yeah. I mean, it's so well directed. I did not expect it to be so artistic and inventive and all that stuff. It's funny. My wife said that about Stranger Things. Yes. Because she was like, I don't understand why you like this movie, but you wouldn't like Stranger Things. It's funny. All those movies that you mentioned that we've done over this month have been grouped together in different ways, even though they happen in different phases of horror's history. But I don't know if there's a movie that is this inventive given the budget. You know, you're like, there are low budget and you're like, oh man, I can't believe Carpenter did that just with like synth music and camera lenses or whatever. This is like pretty high level special effects and filmmaking stuff going on for the entire movie. And well acted. And when you watch the behind the scenes documentary, you guys gotta check it out on YouTube. You're like, oh, they shot this in an alley or they shot this in like, you know, like set pieces of a power station, abandoned power station in downtown LA and turned it into the boiler room. It's really impressive. But also when the movie is like based in something that's high concept, what that forces you to do is to continuously challenge yourself shot after shot to go to the limits of your creativity, which is what they did. And when you listen to the documentary, you watch a documentary and you get a glimpse into the creative process, like Craven was just never satisfied with any corners being cut at all. He wanted the most he could get out of every single effect. And everyone up and down from the effects guys, they were trying to do something that hadn't been done before. They were trying to like find and answer the problem of the scene. And they all took great, great pride in it, even years and years after. They married on stream. Classic. If we did one other for rewatches, which one would you pick? Third one. I would have to be. Oh yeah, dream warriors. Yeah. Dream warriors is like it's it just becomes so expansive. Like you have the drug events. You have two bona fide stars in the movie, Patricia Arcette, Lawrence Fishburn. Then real awesome. You know, you just. Okay, Bill Mar. Yeah. Oh yeah, exactly like Bill Mar. He looks like him, right? So you have the Freddie scene. Saxon comes back. Yep. You got a Barry Freddie's bow. Just it's amazing. The problem with that one and then Halloween for the next year is that both of those movies were they did pretty well. And then we just got sequels for six straight years after, which scream eventually kind of flipped the script. and we started making movies again, but I think it's probably all the best that we are now seemingly in an era of, like, let's try an original one rather than rebooting. I'm sure, you know, we just did Crystal Lake, they just did carry, like, these things are constantly going to be in the culture, but I don't, I don't know that we're going to get another nightmare I'll know. I'm sure you're going to get a lot of things. Thanks, Craig. Thanks to God. Thanks to Eduardo and Jack and Chris back in the sicklemore studios, your favorite place. Sicklemore is banging. Going crazy. It's happened. Thanks to everybody who stayed with us on Netflix. We'll be back next week on The Rewatchables.