A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose

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Minä heton04nięteelle, kuten baykiin yhtä täällä me, jotenkin näitä on tullut tullut, jotenkin näitä on tullut, jotenkin näitä on tullut, jotenkin näitä on tullut, - Oh, good. - Okay, what's your question? - Well, my question is regarding religion and spirituality. I had a Catholic upbringing. I married a Catholic and we're raising our children this way. In reading books such as Tollies, I've really opened my eyes up to a new way of thinking, a new form of spirituality that doesn't always align with the teachings of Christianity. So my question is to you, Oprah, how have you reconciled these spiritual teachings with your Christian beliefs? - Oh, the question's to me. I was resting knowing it was going on. (laughing) I've reconciled it because I was able to open my mind about the absolute indescribable, hugeness of that which we call God. I took God out of the box because I grew up in the Baptist church and there were rules and belief systems in doctrine. And I happened to be sitting in church in my late 20s and I was going to this church where you had to get there at eight o'clock in the morning or you couldn't get a seat and a very charismatic minister and everybody was just into the sermon. And this great minister was preaching about how great God was and how omniscient and omnipresent and God is everything and then he said, "And the Lord thy God is a jealous God." And I was caught up in the rapture of that moment until he said, "Gelus," and something struck me. Just, and I was like, I think about 27 or 28. I was thinking, "God is all, God is omnipresent, God is all." And God's also jealous. "Gelus, God is jealous of me." And something about that didn't feel right in my spirit because I believe that God is love and that God is in all things. And so that's when the search for something more than doctrine started to stir within me. And I love this quote that Eckhart has. This is one of my favorite quotes in chapter one where he says, "Man made God in his own image, "the eternal, the infinite, and unnamable was reduced "to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship "as my God or our God." Now I think that's very eloquently put by Eckhart Tolle in chapter one, but that is exactly what I was feeling when I was sitting in church that somebody listening to the preacher. And it's been a journey to get to the place where I understand that what I believe is that Jesus came to show us Christ's consciousness, that Jesus came us to show us the way of the heart and that what Jesus was saying to show us the higher consciousness that we're all talking about here. Jesus came to say, "Look, I'm gonna live in the body "and the human body and I'm gonna show you how it's done." These are some principles and some laws that you can use to live by to know that way. And when I started to recognize that, that Jesus didn't come in my belief, even as a Christian, I don't believe that Jesus came to start Christianity. So that was also very helpful to me. There was a wonderful book called, "Discover the Power Within You" by Eric Butterworth, which helped me reconcile the two. So that might be really good for those of you who are Christian and trying to balance the two. What would you say? Because one of the things that Eckhart says in the beginning of this book on page six is that this book's main purpose is not to add new information or beliefs to your mind or to try to convince you of anything, but to bring about a shift in consciousness, that is to say to awaken. How do you advise people to reconcile this with their religious beliefs? Well, religion can be an open doorway into spirituality and religion can be a closed door that prevents you from going deeper. I love reading the New Testament. And I also read the Old Testament. Sometimes there are some incredible jewels in there. And when I went through this inner transformation and for the first time accidentally, I picked up a copy of the New Testament at my mother's place. And I started reading. And I immediately recognized the deep truths that is there. And I realized the truth that is deeper, that is expressed in what Jesus said, is much deeper than how the church interprets it. There is a depth to it. And it reflects your own depth when you read it. So there's no conflict between this teaching, which is purely spiritual. And any religion, because if you go deep enough into your religion, then you all get to the same place. It's a question of going deeper. So there's no conflict here. The important thing is that religion doesn't become an ideology. So it's, I believe this. And the moment you say, only my belief or our belief is true. And you deny other people's beliefs. And then you've adopted an ideology. And then religion becomes a closed door. But potentially, religion can also be an open door. Well, let me share this with you, too, Kelly. There is another book by a woman named Elizabeth Leicester. It's called The Seekers Guide, where she talks about the new spirituality versus the old. So I just wanted to-- this is on page 51 and 52 of Elizabeth Leicester's book called The Seekers Guide. And she talks about old spirituality versus the new spirituality. And she says, the old was the old way, is the hierarchy has the authority. Church authorities tell you how to worship in church and how to behave outside of church. The new spirituality is that you are your own best authority. As you work to know and love yourself, you discover how to live a more spiritual life. The old is God and the path to worship him have already been defined, and all you need to do is follow the directions. The new is being able to listen within for your own definition of spirituality, your deeper longings are your compass on the search. And the old says exactly what Eckhart was saying, that there is only one path. It's the right way and all other ways are wrong. And the new spirituality says that many paths lead to spiritual freedom and peace. You have a richer array of gems from which to draw illumination, the world's religious traditions, mythology, psychology, healing, method, scientific wisdom, your own experience, and that you can begin to string a necklace all your own. Then she lists other old and new. And so it's really a question of what you were saying to us earlier, that this material strikes accord within you, something in you opens up. And once feels alive and is awakened to that, and yet there is the ideology that says what to you? What is the conflict for you? Just thoughts on the afterlife, things like that. In a lot of books, such as Tollies, we get teachings from Buddhism or Hinduism. And those thoughts don't go along with what I was raised to believe as a Christian. So that's been the biggest thing that I've struggled with, I think. Well, I am a Christian who believes that there are certainly many more paths to God other than Christianity. So I'm a free thinking Christian who believes that-- who believes in my way, but I don't believe that it's the only way with 6 billion people here on the planet. Right. Another author who uses-- who might appeal to you, who uses Christian terminology but goes very, very deep using Christian language and Christian teaching is Joel Goldsmith. Yes. So any book-- So Goldsmith? Goldsmith. Oh, Goldsmith. Joel Goldsmith. Any book by Joel Goldsmith, I think you will try that. And you can see how deep the Christian teaching can be. OK. Well, thank you very much. Thanks, Kelly. We've got Erica, who lives on a US military base in Lange Stuhl, Germany. Hi, Erica. Hi, Oprah. Thank you so much. What is your question or a comment to us? My question is for Mr. Tohli. I too grew up in the Baptist Church, just like Oprah and so many others. And you talk about the voice in my head. And I had a situation where I no longer attend that church because the behavior didn't line up with the teaching. But on Sundays, when I'm at home with my family, and we're enjoying a nice day, and we decided not to go to church, that voice in my head says things like, you didn't go to church today. That's not how you were raised when your mom calls. What are you going to say? Can you help me with that on explaining why we have the voice in the head that says things like that? Yes. Yes, he can. Erica. Now, the voice, of course, is the condition thinking. The voice, what the voice says, is conditioned by your past, by your childhood, by your upbringing, by the surrounding culture, all those things condition your thought processes. And when you sometimes, it happens when you awaken, maybe not completely, but when the awakening process begins, A lot of the old voices in the head, the old thoughts still come up, they still come up, and the essential thing is to recognize them as conditioned thought processes. And to see, because the fact that you're asking the question means there's already an awareness there that these are the voices in your head, so you're not totally identified. Because if you were totally identified with the voice, you would say, "I feel so terrible, I really think I should be doing this." But you realize it's the voice in the head, it's doing it. And then you can allow it and say, "Okay, there's an old thought, and allow it to be there, and be the awareness behind the thought." And anybody, this is not just for, in this particular case, there are many other instances where people have the movement of thought, telling them this or that, interpreting events and people according to the old conditioning, when you meet people, telling you immediately judging somebody according to your old conditioning with prejudices, with all the old conditioning. The only way you can gradually go beyond the conditioned thought processes is simply to be there as the witness. You don't need to act on it or say, "Go away, I don't want to be thinking this, that doesn't work, would only give it more energy." Right. So, again, a vital thing, and this will be going throughout the book and the teaching, is as much as possible, be aware of what your mind is saying and realize that it's only a small part of the consciousness, the totality of consciousness that you are. Many people don't know that yet. They're totally one with the voice, they are the voice. They're so identified with every thought that comes. There's no space between them and the thought. So the essential thing is that they realize their thought processes and here I am as the space for the thought, as the awareness or the space for the thought. And that the thought is only a part of. A small part is the conditioned part of who you are. Who you are. And that time bound is conditioned by the past. There's a more essential part of who you are and that is the awareness that knows that there's a. This of the thoughts, which we're going to get into in for the detail. But also, Erica, let me share this with you. Part of what you and our first caller from Alton, Illinois, was also talking about is trying to reconcile the two. The reason why the voice keeps repeating is because, of course, of what Eckhart is saying, it's conditioned thinking. But also, the guilt is, you haven't made a decision for yourself about what is real or true for you. So you're still being led by the conditioned thinking and haven't made a decision. And for me, that came when I was able to do exactly what Eckhart said earlier. I didn't phrase it the way he did. I ask God to use me. That has been my prayer for many years. I, you know, Eckhart says, ask life what is its purpose for you. But I would pray on my knees to God and ask to be used and to be a servant and to allow his spirit to work through me and to not just be on television but to be able to use television for a purpose that was greater than my own personality and to collect shoes in my closet. Did mean I wanted to give up the shoes. I would if I had to. So when I started to ask that question of God, how can I be used? God, how do you want me to live? How would you have me be? I let go of the guilt of, did I make it to church or I didn't make it to church? Because the majesty and power and omniscience of this force that we call God cannot be contained in a church. You're right. Cannot be contained in a church and does not just want to be served in a church. But if church allows you to feel like you are being of service, then use it that way. What the, the bigness is what, what, what Eckhart was saying in that quote in the book, man made God in his image, the eternal, the infinite and un nameable force that, that is God, that is all consciousness, that is universal energy. I don't believe wishes to just be served on Sunday at 11 o'clock service. And so that's what you're trying to reconcile with yourself. The voice in your head versus what you really should be doing. That's it. Yeah. So you need to make that decision for yourself. And start asking that question of God. Okay. All right. I'll do that. Thank you. Thank you, Erica, from Lundstool. Lundstool, Dr. We have Adam from Redmond, Washington. Hi, Adam. Hi. Thank you so much, both of you. Oh, God. Oh, God. What role do you see community or joining with others would be intent of sharing this consciousness playing in the flowering of human consciousness? Good. Good question. Yes. To have a group of people who practice being present, perhaps listen to a spiritual talk, or have a little reading, enter stillness, be present is extremely helpful because an energy field is generated when people come together and enter the state of presence together. So and this is happening here also, other people are not physically together. And yet there is an energy field now that is generated all over the planet of presence, a different level of consciousness being generated. So it's extremely helpful to join with others. Also it needs to be said not to become dependent on any group. It is still your responsibility to bring this new consciousness into everyday life whenever you go about your business and your family. Why should you become dependent upon the group then you've now? Then you always need to go back to the group and you cannot live presence in your daily life. So the important thing, yes go to the group to generate more presence and then your responsibility is to live it in your everyday life where both of the time perhaps you will not yet be surrounded by people who are present, you will be surrounded by the old egoic consciousness. So there this is the challenge for everybody now who is awakening that yes more and more people are beginning to awaken and yet there are still vast numbers of people on the planet. We're not. This is the arising of a new consciousness that he speaks about Adam. Well it certainly is and it's very pleasurable to spend time with others in sharing this consciousness like you said when you were under the tree and you felt the you felt at oneness and that majesty well imagine if you had someone sitting there next to you to share that experience with I think it makes it even that much more sacred. I did have my two dogs Luke and Layla were there. Oh wonderful wonderful. Thanks Adam. A secret moment. Yes thank you. Thank you Adam. One of the things that really struck us so was so many people responded to this page 13 you don't become good by trying to be good. You don't become good by trying to be good. And carry on. Okay. There's more to that sentence. Yes there is. But by finding the goodness that is already within you and allowing that goodness to emerge but it can only emerge if something fundamental changes in your state of consciousness. Yes. So what that means if if nothing changes in your state of consciousness the ego has many ideas it says I want to be a spiritual person. I want to be recognized as a spiritual person. I want to be more spiritual than all these people and I'm definitely more spiritual than you. So the ego has all kinds of ideas of what it wants to be and it might even say yes I want to be good because it wants to have a better image of itself. But on that level by the essential dysfunction of the evil is still operating. So this is why we have the phrase the role to hell is paved with good intentions because no matter how good your intentions are when you're still trapped in the ego it will always take you into conflict eventually. Yes. So you must. It's the realm of opposites. Yes. So you have to go deeper beyond the realm of opposites where there's good and bad and reach a place within yourself that is unconditioned that is what I sometimes call the formless formless consciousness spirit. express beautifully in the Old Testament, in the little saying, be still and know that I am God. And that's in the Old Testament, it contains the entire wisdom of religion in those few words. Be still, meaning go to that place where the mind is no longer operating, where there's, you are just conscious without thinking. And that is the level where the eternal resides. So the eternal, the formless, the spirit, is the essence of every human being. No matter how insane or conflict-redden they seem to appear on the surface, within every human being, that remains untouched. There's nothing that anybody could have done to you or nothing that you could have done to others to destroy that. It's always there. It's always there, and that is the grace of being here. And no matter how much madness there has been in your life, that remains untouched. So it's getting in touch with that deepest place within, and you can only do that by becoming still. The way you begin to feel that is to look at nature. If you were to go out and just be with a tree, and I don't mean hug a tree, we're not talking about now, you got to go hug a tree and eat granola. But if you were just to be with anything in nature, I like trees because they're so majestic, they're so powerful and visual. And if you're with it for a time, you start to sense the presence of it, the stillness of it, and begin to recognize that stillness within yourself. Yes. So what do you sense in the tree is also in you. And it's always in the tree. Yes. And there's a storm. Yes. And that is also a sacredness that is there in the tree. Our world doesn't know much sacred. It has become an abstract concept. Nobody seems to know what sacredness is, but until you can feel it. Until you can feel it. When you feel it, then you don't need a definition. People ask, please define what sacred is. You don't need a definition of what sacred is because sacred is the essence of who you are. It's sensing that, and you can sense it when you're still enough, you sense it in the tree. Now, isn't it interesting that you first came to recognize this when you were about to kill yourself? Yes. Yes. Sometimes you have to reach a limit. Humans have to reach a limit. The human species, as a whole, is reaching that limit. But also on a personal level, sometimes people have to be pushed to the limit. My ego was so obstinate and my pain body was so strong, I had to be pushed to the limit before it cracked open. Before we go any further, share that moment that you talk about in the beginning of the power of now. When you were about to kill yourself, feeling so much pain. Dreadful suffering at night, I would often wake up in extreme feeling of dread and fear, consumed by dread and fear. The whole world seemed alien. I saw the thought one night, I woke up again, the thought came, I can't live with myself any longer. I just can't live with myself any longer. It's so painful. And that thought repeated itself a few times, and then suddenly something happened inside me. I looked at the thought. That was, of course, awareness. I didn't know that at the time what it was. I became aware of the thought and I said, I cannot live with myself. That's strange. So there must be I and there must be myself. I might one or two. I seem to be two. Because if I can't live with myself, there must be two of me. Well, everybody has felt that, not to kill themselves, but everybody has felt or heard, or heard you say to yourself, I said to myself. Yes. I said to myself. And of course, the entire, what we call the voice in the head, we could also call it self-talk, where you talk to yourself. And most people address themselves as you. So the voices you shouldn't have done that, or you should better. Yes. So there's a constantly, there's a separation inside human beings, which is the essence of ego. Right. Here's an image of who I think I am, and then there's a me. Okay. And then they get mixed up together. Okay. I'm sorry. I interrupted you that thought though, but you use getting ready to kill yourself said, I can't live with myself any longer. Yes. Said that several times in your mind. And then I, the scent, I became aware of the structure of the sentence, and it said, if that's the case, then who is the self that I cannot live with and who am I? Wow. And then that moment, a separation happened completely between the essential eye, which is the essential consciousness that I am beyond past and future. Stillness, stillness. But awake stillness. And all my thought processes, which were ego, it was all my thought processes, but had created the dreadful suffering. The mind created entity, the unhappy me, was continuously fed by my thinking. It consisted of thinking. A stream of thinking. So did you just decide that night? I guess I'll wait to see if I will kill myself. No. No. I kind of, it was a kind of spiritual suicide. So the ego died, instead of me having to jump off a bridge, fortunately. The ego died. The ego dissolved. The ego as the unobserved mind dissolved. The ego. The whole self, the me, the unhappy story. Oh, got it. Me as the unhappy, my identity as me and my unhappy story. Die. Die dissolved. Because the eye behind it suddenly woke up and said, "Who is that self that I can't live with?" And when you fully look at that self, it actually dissolves, because it cannot survive in the light of intense consciousness. Wow. And so the next morning I woke up and I didn't know, I thought that was strange, what happened. Well, there was still, I felt myself. I thought were you drinking? No drinking, no drugs. No acid. Can I tap a sip or something? Yeah. Nothing. Just, it just happened. And the, I felt like being drawn into a kind of vortex and then I went to sleep. And the last thing I felt, there was still some fear, a voice that don't resist or resist nothing. Resist nothing. Don't resist, resist nothing. And so I must have gone to sleep then. Yeah, your first good night sleep and God's good morning. Yes. And the next morning I woke up and looked around and looked, everything looked so fresh. All the old furniture, the pencil, everything looked fresh and alive and I could have burnt song outside. Wow. As if I had never heard it before. Wow. Because the mind had become still and there was simply the beautiful perception of everything, the sunlight coming through the curtains, incredible, I said, I've never seen that before. Part of what you're describing is what I came close to that. When I decided to go outside without naming things or labeling things, is what I was describing earlier, walking through the park, walking around, you know, my house, which is like a park. And everything was like vibrating and it was the colors and everything. The sense perception was very different because I wasn't in my mind thinking about it. I was just there to experience it. So that's how you get to that place. That's right. So when you're no longer there, when you walk through your garden or wherever, and you're not naming every flower. You're not naming and also you're not carrying the burden of a heavy me, a personality, a person, whether it's problems, whether it's past, whether it's. You're not thinking about anything. So you are basically. you become a conscious presence perceiving the beauty around you. Yeah, it's fascinating. There are many little things you can do to access the power of the present moment. For example, very simple thing. Ask yourself, am I still breathing? No, what does that mean? How to find out if you're still breathing, your attention needs to move from the thinking into here. And you suddenly feel the air flowing into your body and out of your body. Yes, I'm breathing. At that moment, you've entered the state of presence. Even if it's only five seconds, you've entered that, you've become present. In the moment. In that moment, another thing I suggest is when you think, habitual everyday motions, like washing your hands or walking across the room or walking down the stairs, or the slightest thing taking a cup out of the cupboard, do it consciously, do it being present of every. Now, the feel of, for example, wash your hands, feel the water, smell the soap, sense perceptions, becoming a cutely conscious of sense perceptions, which means looking, hearing, touching, brings you into the present moment. How is that going to help me? 'Cause I started doing that going up the stairs. I was going, one foot on the stairs. There's another foot on the stairs. There's another foot. Okay, but the top of the stairs now. I was present walking up the stairs. How, what does that do for me, a cart? - Well, you're present? - Yeah, I think I was. There's a foot, there's a foot, there's a foot, there's a foot on the stairs. I'm just there. - Okay. - The movement of, what, you know, feeling, feeling the motion of my body. - Yes. - And how many parts of my body have to move to get me up the stairs? - Yes. - You know, oh, I used my, you know, thigh muscle there, yeah. I used the back of the leg, and my ankle's, yeah. - Okay, it was presence. I wasn't sure, from the way you said, I thought you were repeating mentally, here's one step and here's another step, but you were not. - No, I was not. I was feeling every part of what it took to get me up the stairs. - Yes. - So now, the mind says, what's the point in that? - Yes, the mind didn't say, okay, now you're present getting up the stairs. - And the mind says, I've got more important things to think about. - Yes, it did. (laughing) - Mind said, now what did that do, yeah? - Now to the mind, that kind of thing is completely meaningless because you're inviting a different state of consciousness into your life, which the mind cannot understand. But this is how you bring in awareness. This is the end of the old conditioning. - Yes. - And you bring in a consciousness that is totally fresh and new that comes out of the present moment. And the more you bring those moments of presence into your life, the more your old conditioning becomes eroded gradually. - I see. So learning to do it with washing your hands, I've just got-- - Simple things. - Just learning to do the simple things begin to retrain your mind. - Yes. And another thing is most simple things that you do, which actually fill up most persons everyday life. Because the whole day consists of simple things that you have to do. - Right. - And the way most people live is that everything you do is a means to an end. And the end is where you want to get to the next moment. - Right. So you're never thinking about the moment. - No, because you want to get to the next one. You're washing your hand in order to already do that. Or while you're making a cup of coffee, you really want to be drinking it. - Yeah. John Cabbagein says in his book, "Coming to our Senses" that most people every morning, people take a shower, they bathe, there's a-- But most people are in the shower, but they never actually get-- - No. - to get into the shower, because they're thinking, they're already in the office. - Yes. - They're already in the office. - And then everything you do is a means to an end. The end is always the next moment in the future, which never arrives, because all you ever have in life is the present moment. - Present moment. So you're constantly frustrated, creating anxiety for yourself and stress, because you can't just be present now. - Present now. And the power can only flow into your life when you are present completely, totally, with what you're doing now. And this is why most people's lives do not have this power, because they are always living for the next thing. So they-- - Trying to get to. - They devalue the present moment. - Got it. - And so-- - That's why walking up the stairs, being with the stairs. - Yes. - Teachers, you how to be present with other things. - Yes. - And gradually, you can be present with-- even when you are with other human beings, you can be totally present in whatever work you do, so that the work is not a means to an end, but you are totally there with what you do, your attention. - Casey, in Asheville, North Carolina, is a question also for Eckhart. Casey. - Hi, for High Mr. Tolley. So my question is this. When I put out into the universe, when I ask God for things, for hopes and dreams and material things, and a lot of times I get them, those material things, they-- I think they may be coming from the ego. And I just wonder, Mr. Tolley, is that wrong? - Okay, well, it's not wrong. You can always easily recognize that something is coming from ego, because when you get it, it doesn't satisfy you. That's always a sign that it's coming from ego. It may satisfy you for a little while, and then something, oh, I need more, I need something else. So that's a good learning process. You can manifest things, and if you see, oh, that's not satisfying, that must have been the ego. So there's nothing wrong with manifesting things. The only illusion would be to expect things to provide some ultimate satisfaction in your life. Things can't do that. The world of form can't ultimately satisfy you. You can enjoy the world of form, but the true satisfaction doesn't come from there. The world can't do that. The world can't make you happy. Things cannot give you happiness, because happiness comes from a deeper place within you that you can only access in the present moment. So it's fine to-- we live in the world of things. Why not manifest things? It was part of the game of-- in this life, the game of form. But if you expect some kind of satisfaction, then you will always be frustrated. Which is going to be-- I think we get into that a lot in chapter three. Yes. And chapter two and chapter three. A lot of them. Not allowing yourself-- Oh, love, chapter two, please. Not allowing yourself to be defined by the things, to be in the world and not of it. This is how I describe it, to not allow-- to have things. You know, I have lots of beautiful things, and I love beautiful things. And later on, in one of the chapters, he talks about when you say that you're not defined by things, what happens to you if you were to lose any of those things? The depth of your grieving or sorrow or so-called suffering determines how attached you were to those things. Yes. And for many things-- it doesn't matter to me until somebody steals your car. That's right. And for many people, that's a very important lesson. When suddenly they do lose something. It can be a wonderful spiritual lesson. And then you perhaps you suffer. And then your attachment gets broken. And suddenly you go beyond the attachment. So there have been people who have lost everything. And suddenly become free of the ego, because the ego had nothing left to identify with. So that can happen. And another important thing to mention with regard to manifestation is the basis for your life is the present moment. You need to, first of all, the very basis for everything is to come to an acceptance of this moment as it is. Gratitude is part of that. Of course, we'll be talking about that in more detail. So that there's no neediness when you manifest. The neediness that there's dissatisfaction, for example, in your life, there's dissatisfaction. That is not a good starting point for changing your life. The ego may tell you that, but it isn't. You need to find a place of acceptance, which is-- Wow, that's powerful. No matter where you are, come to terms and become friendly with the present moment. Because if you do not become friendly with the present moment, you're not friendly with life. Because life is only now. If you're not friendly with life, life cannot support you. But did you just say that being dissatisfied is not a good time or place to change? It's first-- you can see the totality of the situation. Let's say I use the example in the power of now. You're stuck in the mud. You're walking somewhere, and suddenly you get deep into the mud up to your knees. Right. Now, you wouldn't say, OK, I'm satisfied with this situation. You can't be satisfied with this situation. And you know that you need to get out. But you say, OK, here I am, stuck in the mud. And I need to get out. There is no negative reaction. There's no. Car saying-- Damage mud? Yes. Or struggle against. Because if you struggle against, you get in deep. You're just going to get more mud on you. Yes. You must accept whatever it is first before you can begin to change it. That's what you're saying. Yes. There must be acceptance-- Acceptance of what is first. Then action comes out of the acceptance. It no longer comes out of resistance. Got it. Which is a totally different energy flows into what you do when it comes out of an acceptance of this is what is. And then action happens that is actually empowered by life itself. Well, I think that explained it, Casey. Thank you. I think so too. Thank you so much. So much. Amazing. Thank you so much. I just wanted to go back to spirituality and religion for a few moments in the few moments we have remaining. Because I know that's still such a major issue with so many of you. And you say on page 17 that the more you make your thoughts or beliefs into your identity, the more cutoff you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. And you also say on page 18, how spiritual you are has nothing to do with what you believe. Yes. But everything to do with your state of consciousness. Yes. How spiritual do you are? It means how present are you at this moment? Are you in your thoughts or are you there as the awareness behind your thoughts? Which is your spirit? Yes. Stillness. So the often in newspapers and the media, they always ask, well, what do you believe in? That is not an important question. What I believe in. It's the important question is, are you present? at this moment, not what your beliefs structures are. I think people want to know what you believe so that they can label it and decide whether they're going to like you, accept you or not. Yes. And they want to know, do you believe the same thing that I believe because if you don't, you're my enemy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you're laughing at that, okay? Well, it's match. It's better to laugh at madness. Yes, yes. I just wanted to mention this person, Maria, from Doha, Qatar. I just wanted to say Doha, Qatar. In what country? Qatar. Qatar, okay. Qatar. Okay. Qatar. Okay. She says, do you think that people are ready and willing to set aside time to be quiet each day? Is this possible in a global sense? Would anyone who thinks their life is fine be willing to waste time just sitting in order to raise their consciousness level? Well, better, I would change the question a little bit to make it more vital and more relevant is ask, am I ready? The only question you really need to answer is, am I ready? Love that. To do this. You don't need to know where the other people are ready to do it. Only you can have the answer, am I ready to be still? Very good, this Qatar. Am I ready? Let's see, that's the vital question. And only you can answer that. I can't answer that. Are you ready or are you so fascinated by the things of this world and your mind that perhaps you need to pursue those things for a few more years until you suffer a bit more? And then you're ready. What about the people who are struggling, particularly in this first chapter with the book? The first chapter is a little bit more conceptual than the other chapters and less practical. I wanted to give a general context for where the book fits into the general context of spirituality on the planet, a transformation of consciousness on the planet. So just read through, they're already very important pointers in the first chapter. If you can see them, they will run through the whole book, presents and so on. Just carry on, but not only the first chapter. Anywhere in the book, don't expect to immediately understand everything that's not necessary. And besides understanding the book is not the essential thing. It's secondary. The first thing is to experience the truth of it. Rather than conceptual understanding, the essence of what's in the book, in any case, cannot be understood conceptually. For example, presents. People say, can you explain to me what presents is? I've already given a few pointers. It's pointless to go beyond that and give further definitions. You can only know what presents is by being present. You must have at least a glimpse of presents, which, and this is why the, it's not understanding that's the essence. So when you don't understand, just read on. It's a process reading this book is a process. Yes. And this book, as you say, again, as I said in the beginning, this isn't about creating a more information for you to believe in. No. No. And you don't want to be anybody's guru. No. No. So it's not through your mind, really, that you can get. And anybody who finds this book meaningful, and this is the important thing, is already awakening. If you're not awakening already, this book will be completely meaningless. Or any other truly alive spiritual book will be meaningless. If you want to understand it all, you say, it's not much there. I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. If it does make sense, especially if you feel something from within responding, and you say, wow, yeah. There are a lot of people who are expressing, they're getting it, they're awakening, they're feeling more alive and excited. And then you want to go share it with somebody else, who perhaps hasn't read the book, doesn't feel the same as you, and then they feel frustrated. Yes. And I guess you would say the same thing as you say to the woman in Qatar, just worry about yourself. Yes. And so if other-- Turn yourself with yourself. That's right. And if friends or relatives say, it doesn't make sense to me, that's fine. And perhaps in a few years' time, they'll be ready. We don't know. So it's to accept that it's not yet for everybody. Accept it first. Accept. Don't demand that-- or don't make it into an ideology and then try to convince people that they must be present. Right. I got it. Before we say goodbye, I want to thank you for being with me, all of you, out there, being able to talk with you all and share this kind of information that allows all of us to get closer to who we really are so that we can do honor our life's purpose and calling here while we're on Earth. Thank you, record. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Oprah Winfrey, and you've been listening to SuperSoul Conversations, the podcast. You can follow SuperSoul on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. If you haven't yet, go to Apple Podcasts and subscribe, rate, and review this podcast. Join me next week for another SuperSoul Conversation. Thank you for listening. Kierost. Vine Blingy Casino.